Spooky Lakes Vol. 1 | Episode 365 | Morbid: A True Crime Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] that was so fast I know I just wanted to
do it and this is morbid you do fast I do demon Diamond we're here with a spooky episode today
yeah I think it was the last haunted Lakes episode or like spooky Lakes episode Lake Lanier or have we done one
yeah because I don't even think we deemed that a spooky Lake episode I think it was just like its own thing
well guess what now we got a whole new series [ __ ] spooky Lakes because you know we love a spooky Lake a spooky Road
a spooky Castle a spooky we love a spooky anything really and a lot of you requested spooky lakes that was like
when we said like what other spooky things would you like to see likes was like top of the list oh yeah and well
the lake that I'm covering in particular so many people have asked for us to come
yeah and mine's just strange and it has like a little strange thing about the town later but I love that yeah Ash has
like a really good one mine's good too but Ashley I think it's gonna blow our minds
um but yeah I think spooky season is upon us it's time to get spooky let's get spooky and just because now we can
say it Tobias Forge from Ghost is coming on the podcast [ __ ] so cool I'm dying
many of you are also dying and I'm so happy that we can all freak out about this together I know this is like very
exciting it's very exciting like very exciting how excited this is a good get it is this is a good gift this is uh it
is yeah the ultimate get yeah I will say uh but if you guys have any questions that because we're gonna ask him a few
uh fan questions and so if you guys have a question that you've always wanted to
ask him just send us your question to morbidpodcast gmail.com put in the subject line ask Tobias
because we got a whole folder going we're gonna sift through we'll pick a few and then uh we'll have him pick some
to answer so hopefully yours will get answered but throw them out there because you never
know burning questions for Tobias but we want you guys to be involved because when I said that like we started
listening to ghosts John and I everyone was so sweet about it was like oh my God
like the people who have been listening to them forever oh yeah we're like now you have to listen to this and you have
to listen to this in fact Jordan from Nighttime podcast is like a huge ghost fan yeah 100 and he was all excited he
was like finally um but you guys were like so sweet about it and giving me all these you know
songs to listen to and being like I hope you get to a live show which we are gonna get to a live show I just am
picturing myself at this live show and it's the funniest thing even to myself because I you know like we're all
weirdos here but I I came late to the weirdo game a little bit different brands of weirdos yeah different brands
of weirdo you even you and I are like entirely different brands oh absolutely I'm just like crazy
um no I am yeah Oh I thought you said nah oh no I agree don't fool me I'm crazy um I don't know if we've told this story
on the podcast before it originated from uh that Liz Dosh movie this thing didn't
it oh yeah it did so we were watching what movie is that it's um Soul Survivors and they go to like a club
that's kind of like Club hell yeah it's like the super goth club like yeah Ultra
Ultra golf club like literally like you cannot get in unless you're wearing black or leather or chains yeah
and there was like Elena showed it to me and there's this one scene where they're
going to this movie and I I put up my little like devil horns yeah hands and I was just kind of like poking them into
the air like groovin yeah like in the way that I groove and Elena is saying that I'm gonna do that because if you
could see the like the visual of that because she does it in such a way that's just like yeah because I'm grouping yeah
I'm not like a rock in like an ash way which is lovely and I hope it happens during the concert because but we're
very excited about that and because you guys were so amazing we just wanted you guys to be able to be a part of this as
well because you've been so cool about it so send those in yeah yeah let us know uh we're very excited about it and
yippee we have some fun things planned for that episode it's not going to be just a straight up interview we're gonna
we're gonna flip it on its head a little bit we've got some silly silly things and like really cool things and I think
it's gonna be a fun interview it will be fun but you know what right now we're gonna get into some terrifying Lakes
let's go swimming or yeah or no uh definitely don't swim in this Lake I feel it doesn't have a great uh
reputation oh okay for swimming uh this is haunted lake let's go and it's in Francis Town New Hampshire it is also
known as scoby Pond or scoby Lake we will I'll tell you why after but most people call it haunted lake I like that
just keep it simple you know and it's been known as haunted lake for decades I mean like really yeah like
long time like centuries she has a [ __ ] rep okay she does she has the background to be named hauntedly good
for her uh I mean it when you're named haunted lake you have no choice but to be haunted it's that simple like you
you're not just named that that's not just a feeling but what happened before was before New Hampshire was even
settled there was actually a huge fire that happened around what is now haunted lake oh [ __ ] it was a blaze that took
out all of the surrounding vegetation of the lake also some like some little like
dwellings that were happening like around the lake not an actual like settlement dwelling right right like
people that were even camping around there and such people died like it was bad oh no yeah it looked and it looked
terrifying after this because it's just a bunch of charred just dead Devastation
all around it do you know how people have like different fears like you have a fear of like very large things yeah
well I think one of my fears is like the aftermath of a fire like what that looks
like it's so ominous it is it's really unsettling yeah uh but I found this crazy old book from 1895 and it's called
the history of Francis Town New Hampshire from its earliest settlement April 1758 to January 1st 1891 with a
brief geological reference of all the Francis Town families but that tells you everything you need
to know right in the title and it's by Reverend W.R Cochran go off Mr Cochran it's it's actually in it he talks about
obviously the town of Francis Town New Hampshire oh he goes into the first settlers the first recorded deaths the
first recorded births jurors the first bail like all the first things that happened in a town it's actually really
interesting especially for like history Buffs yeah you just see like the creation of a town it's cool that is
interesting and also in it they mentioned haunted lake and on page 432 it says and I quote even the page number
there you go just because there's a lot of like opening stuff about the town that you might want to be like
and you can find it there's like an archive of this book free online so it says there have been several Traditions
concerning the origin of the name haunted all showing its early date one is that a fire once raged on its Shores
so fiercely as to consume every living thing and only the trunks of the largest trees were left standing char hard ashy
desolate and frightful causing the early surveyors and even the roving Native Americans to turn away in fear and
presenting at night an appearance weird strange and startling in the extreme no doubt there was this basis this a basis
of fact and no doubt it tended to confirm the early belief that the place was haunted
so we got it really early on now I'm just going to give you a few instances that I found in this book and
in a couple of other areas in 1741 two men came across each other on their way to the lake to buy land and you know
settle do manly things yeah in 1741. treaties just lands they didn't know each other but they ended up making
taking the rest of their journey together after coming across each other like they didn't go there together they
just came across each other and were like you want to hang yeah they set up camp right along the edge of haunted
lake and something dark happened that night that we don't know what happened but they started to argue in a fighting
suit eventually one of these men killed the other one in the fight and then buried his body on the shores of haunted
lake now it's said that the man who was killed wanders the shore screaming and moaning in anguish
now in 1753 a team of surveyors came to the lake area to survey land for future farms and they were going to be there
for a few days to complete the job they camped out the first night on the banks of the lake thinking it would be a
soothing place to sleep right next to the water oh yeah how gorgeous well according to one of these surveyors who
was actually leading the team named Matthew Patton it was anything but soothing or restful in his diary he
indicated that the entire Camp was awake all night because they were tormented by
the loud screams and moans of what sounded like a man who was being tortured or was in great pain holy [ __ ]
and it's not known how the one guy killed the other guy no oh so you don't know how it happened or yeah like the
fact that he's screaming out in like in English people say and it would insane people say they hear that still today
yeah like when you go in that area some people said that they've heard those screams sounds like he was very much
tortured yeah and it wouldn't stop and they all heard it all of his workers left the following
day and refused to stay another second after this literally abandoned the job I feel that so hard in the book that I
mentioned up top said about this incident quote these chair these chain men were hardly fellows not accustomed
to fear the face of man but they had some Superstition and some alarm at signs at signs and bad Omens and they
could not be persuaded to continue their work even for another hour um yeah now the next instance is two fur
Trappers sometime before 1780 went up to the haunted lake area to set up what was
called trap line circuits okay these are circuit shaped areas where traps will be
hidden for various animals the Trapper will walk the circle area and they'll just like go you know check the traps as
they go now these two Trappers set up two different Circus Circus circuits one was
in the haunted lake area like right next to the lake and like around it and the other was slightly outside of that area
but close enough that they could meet up after camp so one night they went through their
circuits and one of the Trappers the one in the haunted lake circuit didn't come
back to Camp okay the other one went looking for him and came across him dead completely mauled and there was a Giant
mountain lion standing over him oh and then now this guy's just witnessing that yeah and he's like holy [ __ ] what do you
do he ended up killing the mountain lion and he buried his friend that haunted lake because he was worried more
Predators were gonna come quickly yeah so he had to bury him there and then he got out of there oh man so now there's
two people buried at haunted place that's not good and now we come to 1780 and where the name scoby Lake comes from
oh okay a man named David scoby came from Ireland to New Hampshire and all he wanted was to build a water powered mill
on the shores of haunted lake so he got to building and while he was deep in the process he comes along a
dead body oh yep randomly on the shores of haunted lake there was a dead body buried in a pretty shallow grave not
wanna could have been either one of those okay they don't know and it was skeletonized and it seemed to be a
younger man who was tall like pretty strong with good teeth that's how they knew he was like a younger guy oh okay
um but I think it's probably the first one I would say because I don't know what you would find yeah I
don't know what good condition the other one would be in and I also since it seems like it was like skeletonized and
it was like a younger guy I don't know why but it just to me feels like those two guys that got in a fight
one of them would be younger or at least both of them maybe sure but he was like
oh [ __ ] like a skeleton but after turning that find into the proper Outlets he set out and finished his
building his Mill whatever he said I found that I came I saw now to conquer it I gave it to the right people yeah
good for him you know did the right thing but like here's my quick little life tip this is just me personally when
you're building literally anything finding a hastily Berry body of a young man during the process is likely a bad
Omen oh for sure luckily for me I don't know if I'll ever build anything but like if that happens just take that L
move on yeah you don't even have to it's not even an L it's a yeah it's a w because the universe is like is letting
you know don't do this and there's plenty of other places to build [ __ ] there's so much there's so much [ __ ]
everywhere exactly there's so much [ __ ] everywhere they're very much it the world is full of [ __ ] it truly is it
really is but it's also full of beauty it is and you could make the beauty in the
[ __ ] make your own Beauty make your own Beauty out of the [ __ ] be beautiful and
positive and wonderful if you if you haven't learned by now that's our motto that's our new our very
well not new that's just our motto it's our motto now now I want to sing that song but hey guys so he got the mail
done and it was up and running and his sons were working there was like a whole family affair everything was going all
right but the lake was still showing its displeasure with people pretty consistently
like in 1810 a 15 year old named Jacob Langdale drowned there and it was said he was found with lilies grasped in his
hand oh yeah that's I don't I know it's so haunting and just so sad It's haunting and really sad uh in 1816
another boy named Samuel Allen drowned in 1824 a man who was 55 years old named Ichabod gay he don't drown there Ichabod
is such a crazy awesome name Ichabod is a really fun it's so cool then in 1829 haunted lake turned its attention back
to the mill and David scoby wasn't done with them yet oh man it was in this year
that he was bringing a big stockpile of ice across the Frozen haunted lake to transport it David scoby was okay
that's exactly what I thought of yes I know you the ice cracked and he went down into the freezing depths where he
drowned in the lake oh this lake is it means business this Lake doesn't want to be settled upon it
sounds No it's like I'm haunted yeah I showed you that let me be haunted like it's charred and burnt out and
devastated and it's like leave me the [ __ ] alone yeah it said I'm broken yeah what did they say like have you ever
seen the picture of like the Witch and it's like don't touch the witch it's like don't touch the lake yeah yeah it's
the very next year in 1830 Nathaniel Aiken drowned there no yeah and the mill was transferred to another owner uh
David Fuller and the Fuller family did run it for a little while but then abandoned it in 1860. okay abandon it
and the book also mentioned that the scoby boys uh David's sons who worked for him at the Mill were known to try to
scare people around town who came into the vicinity of the of haunted lake like while they were working at the Mill yeah
and they would hide in the woods and like groan and scream and try to freak people out but for people who are like
well there you go that's what that is it's like nope because the book States they're very quick to state in the book
that haunted lake had its name haunted lake from the get-go yeah from the jump way before the scoby boys ever arrived
so that's not what made it haunted it's not like oh they were just getting people to think that right they were
just playing into the whole vibe of it okay and they were like known to do that it was like all the scoby boys
but this entire area this is the weirdest occurrence and I had to add it in here this entire area also had some
weird occurrence happen in 1780 when scoby arrived to build the milk which I thought was weird it was like it called
to him yeah like that year was just a lot of [ __ ] right and I don't know if this was it being like don't build that
Mill yeah now May 19 1780 it's called The Dark Day what this was seen in New England and for several days leading up
to this day they said that the air and this is recorded places that the air felt like it was Smoky and Vapors were
seen in the air why have I never heard of this that's what I'm straight up live in New England I was like I'm from New
England what the [ __ ] records said the Sun and Moon looked red and hazy wow for
days leading up to this why don't we get to see it why don't they teach us the [ __ ] in school yeah it's so interesting
why didn't pictures exist yet and May 19th came and it was drizzly and thundery a bit just like a regular
drizzly day it but around 10 a.m that day it just got dark like Zero Dark Thirty like dark so dark this is wild
that chickens went to roost Birds went back to their nests cattle were said to go to their stalls and were apparently
making weird noises that can send Farmers apparently even flowers and plants thought it was nights so they
closed or opened accordingly I [ __ ] love plants like then it rained and it was like soot apparently what according
to the above book they said the rain was quote full of a substance that like burnt vegetable matter
forming a scum with smell of soot over everything what yes by noon everyone was lighting
candles to see it was so dark by noon and people legit thought this was [ __ ] end times like they were like
this is the end of the world clearly sure like the world kind of just started but it's already over here it's done
like obviously didn't just leave but like but like we just started like really getting this [ __ ] like moving
right right and now it's over so people all over New England were running outside and confessing their sins and
[ __ ] oh [ __ ] people were rushing into churches for confession and like Solace
like it was literally like people in the streets praying on their knees screaming
out the sins they have done well vegetable matter soot falls from the pitch black Sky do you have noon at noon
like what you're like it's too [ __ ] early for this it is noon do you have any I or like any hypothesis as to what
that vegetable [ __ ] would be none like no done I have no [ __ ] I'm like going
back to like third grade and like trying to think of the whole runoff system and
like evaporation and all that [ __ ] I'm like what evaporated me too I was like what the [ __ ] is that and what happened
the day is leading up to this right and why did it get that dark the world is the craziest [ __ ] place it's wild and
they didn't even get light at night when the moon came out because they were thinking maybe I think they were saying
it not it would uh the moon would rise at nine o'clock and so they were waiting for nine to be like okay that's when
we're gonna get our light like it's gonna happen and we're all gonna feel okay the moon didn't even come out what
like it was they said it was so black that it was like you couldn't see your hands in front of your face and you said
before this both the moon and the sun looked red and hazy yeah yeah this happened oh my God and you
know people were running out there like confessing to some crazy [ __ ] only the
next day they were like you know I was just like feeling some type of way I just wanted to write short
fiction before I died that's all that's they Gerard Shaffer did yes like they literally we like it because the next
day they woke up and everything was fine they just woke up but there was like this scum all over everything
what from that rain yeah what was this skull and it was like all over haunted lake and [ __ ] like there was a layer of
scum that had fallen and like was on hauntedly she said get the [ __ ] out isn't that the same yes that's insane I
don't even know the proper word for that yeah that blew my mind I had to add that
in there I was like what and that is the the tale of haunted lake but apparently
people still hear those screams today people have seen like weird like things that it looks like somebody's walking
across the lake but then they look like they look again like what the [ __ ] and no one's there no
like people look for them oh that Old Mill I am a Goosebumps yeah no and people look for that Old Mill now the
scoby Mill don't what's the Fuller Mill look for that and they've found like remnants of it after it was abandoned
they were gonna rebuild it no but I don't they never did but there's like these remnants
um of like you know stacked rocks and stuff that you can see where it definitely was don't touch that yeah
don't take a rock from it don't take a vial of sand from there yeah don't breathe the oxygen in that area just do
not yeah this is one place that I'm like no no so creeped out no way am I going there so freaky dinky it was a scary one
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definitely not the scariest thing you've ever told me but like up there but we're
all freaky we're gonna talk because so many of you guys have been requesting that we talk about Lake Mead here we are
all right like what better way to do that than on a haunted Lakes episode so Lake Mead is over in Nevada I believe
that's how you would wish for me to say it nobody else I think that's how you're
supposed to say it I think you are I've always said Nevada the word on those streets is Nevada the word on these
streets over here in New England is Nevada so I feel very wrong but I'm gonna move past it you got it um in Lake
Mead actually I didn't realize this is the largest Reservoir in America and it was America's first national parks uh
excuse me first national Recreation Area so the lake was a man-made project we all know how that goes oh yeah took
place in February of 1935 after the construction of the Hoover Dam and when the lake was at its fullest point it
measured about 12 or 1250 feet deep but this Lake actually has not been that full since 1983 almost
40 years ago damn you were showing me some of these pictures oh my god and we're gonna talk about this I am like
wow it's crazy the last time that it was even close to being as full as it originally was was 22 years ago in 2000
which also saying 22 years ago in 2000 it like hurts I can see it on your face you're hurting
I'm just thinking about like when we were all scared that like the grin was gonna shut down oh in 1999. and now in
2022 I think we're all like when is the grid gonna shut down can it like I think
we're all in someone shut the grid we are so those things and I remember like it
turned midnight we were all like I can't imagine living through that because I've lived through like there's
been so many times where they're like the Mayan calendar ended yeah of course and like we all thought it was gonna end
but I feel like Y2K was like the biggest of those everyone literally thought and
it was gonna happen I think that's maybe like why like not as many people were afraid of like the Mayan calendar ending
and all the different ones because they were like I don't know you said this in 1990 yeah it's like I really don't know
about that but yeah shut the grid down yeah but now I'm like okay when's Y2K happening again
it would it be like I don't even know never mind but anyway these days and as recently as August 3rd the late the lake
has shrunken its depth to 1040.92 feet my that is outrageous it's lost over 200 feet of
water that is just drying up because of climate uh climate change and global warming it's awful now the majority of
scientists don't think that Lake Mead will ever reach its full capacity of depth again that's really sad it really
is and the trends show that if anything it will just continue to dry up damn it did gain a little bit of water recently
because we've been going through like a crazy drought and it's been even worse like over there on the west coast
um and they did get some heavy rainfall that definitely Rose the water levels up
but not near where it would need to be so crazy but all that said to get to the point of the story as the lake is losing
more of its depth all kinds of things are being uncovered it's actually like we were just saying super super creepy
to watch video footage because now you can see all kinds of boats that have re-emerged and some of them I don't know
why this creeps me out so much it's just like plain creepy the boats that are just standing vertically like up and
down that are oh that were once like under so many like hundreds of feet of water and now are just like just right
there like it looks like they're just like in the sand so crazy something about that it's it's that thing though
it's wrong they're big things yeah just are out of place yeah they're not in working order so it's just like that's
exactly what it is you're like no that's not something to be there put it back you're supposed to be floating on the
surface like there is what is happening God damn it there's also been even creepier things to emerge like um the
whole last cities yes I said cities yeah we're just sitting underneath the lake for the past like 87 years imagine
swimming oh no no swimming over a city freaks me the swimming that's another phobia it is it totally is because you
have to add to my growing list of phobias that I have I know I'm like holding myself right now it's like
that's that is another fight that is called something like swimming over big things oh yeah it's you should look it
up because it's like a fear that you'll be like sucked in by them I feel that way yeah we're at the lake recently or
like one of the lakes that we go to recently and I was thinking about it more and more and I was just like oh get
me out of here yeah it's a no for me but like things like that have re-emerged and then of course course they have
found many sets of human remains yeah Lake Mead has a long history as you well know and we're going to start at the
very beginning before it was even a lake way before there was even a thought of turning this place into a lake and of
course it had been settled first by Native Americans so first there was a group of Native
Americans known as the basket makers named because they made very beautiful and intricate baskets makes sense yeah
and shortly after the basket makers settled on that land another group of Native Americans came along and these
were the Pueblo Pueblo people excuse me and by most accounts the Pueblo people and the basket makers kind of like
combined their ways of life and they really maintained the land together history obviously tells us that it's
very uncommon for these groups to combine their cultures without some kind of War being fought to get there but
it's actually not known for sure whether there was a war or whether they were just like we have similar cultures like
let's spend them let's all live on the land um I just feel like it always has to be
a war so stupid always all now while the Pueblo and the basket maker people were
living together in unison they turned this area into a full-blown City the Pueblo people were known to make
beautiful structures and the people before them and even before the basket makers they were known to build
structures that were underground they're called pit homes but the Pueblo people built upwards and actually like in a
kind of modern way when you look at it if you're just picturing like small little one-room structures think again
because these structures were built like some of them had 100 rooms damn 100 rooms like you can look at pictures and
it's beautiful it it looks crazy now because it's almost like mummified but it almost looks like how Greece was
built yeah you know what I mean yep you're right yeah it's beautiful and one such structure can actually be seen now
because the lake has dried up so much you can go see the structure with 100 rooms that must be really
fascinating to look at but also terrifying I don't know it's just ominous you know like something lurks
within just because it was buried underwater yeah that's the thing now archaeologists begin to study this lost
city that would later become known as Pueblo Grande de Nevada Nevada sorry Nevada we got it they kind of started
really getting gumption into their studying of this place right as plans were being made to construct the Hoover
Dam and subsequently fill in the lake so they had to start hustling to uncover all kinds of artifacts that they had
already begun finding so they knew they would find more and through their searches they found ancient weapons they
found skeletons they found different like different buildings different structures so just way more than they
bargained way more than should be under a lake way more than to be under a lake exactly and the thing is like all of
these things all of these relics are just going to teach us more about the civilizations that came before us so of
course digging like crazy trying to get this done before the lake fills in they were literally digging up to the point
where the lake was being filled like they were pouring the water in and the people were like hang on one sec
like I found something what the [ __ ] one man said archaeologists were working there until the lake was Rising around
them can you imagine being so frustrated you're like no let me get the rest of this and it's literally like like we
have to put a lake here yeah like can we just can we postpone it can we just put
on the lake really quick for real and it's great that they stayed there that long because now there is a museum in
Nevada featuring everything they found uh it's called The Lost City Museum and it was actually founded by the national
park system and they have these like massive wall-to-wall cases just filled with ancient artifacts and Relics it
looks so cool I want to go so oh damn we need I never I'm not I feel like I never
was like interested in going to Las Vegas I'm just I don't gamble at all yeah it's never really been something I
wanted to do yeah but now I'm like let's [ __ ] go to Vegas I want to go to these museums so there's another Museum
that I'll mention later that I want to go to as well there is a lot of interesting things there that I think
get [ __ ] overshadowed by like the the like nightlife yeah exactly 100 now again I had said there is more than just
uh one City Beneath Lake Mead there are multiple actually I think there's three if you're getting technical so this
other civilization was founded by Mormon settlers and they named it Saint Thomas
after the main leader of their group Thomas sassen Smith these settlers in particular had been sent out by Brigham
Young one of the first leaders in the Mormon religion and he basically wanted them to go out
there so that eventually there could be some kind of like Trail set up between Utah and this area of Nevada
so they find this area they see that it's Rich for farming it's a little off the grid which is great because they can
live amongst themselves and Tom assassin Smith and the group that he was traveling with they founded this area
and at the time they thought that they were actually still in a section of Utah and they knew this muddy land would be
great for farming so they're like awesome it's 1865 we're christening This Place St Thomas let's live here and they
did for about five years this group of Mormon settlers lived amongst themselves they farmed the land they built a church
that they all went to together and I don't know they just vibed they survived together but then in 1870 there was a
survey done and it turns out that this small chunk of land was actually determined to be Nevada's piece of land
so they were like oh you guys gotta pay us back taxes now and you've lived here for five years so
you wanna hand that one gold I was just gonna say somebody hand me a calculator yeah they owed a lot of money and also
it was like kind of a dick move like okay just grandfather the men like technically I was in Nevada that's true
but now it is and so they simply didn't have enough money to pay that so they left the town abandoned some of the
buildings were burned down like they burned down their houses and businesses I think probably because they were like
you're not gonna keep this like [ __ ] so gnarly it is and everybody left except for one family and perhaps that
family was onto something because St Thomas would actually be revitalized once more about 20 years after this
so toward the 1880s the town was reborn when Farmers again realized how great the soil was and they began harvesting
the land all over again so these settlers actually welcomed back some of the Mormons that had previously been
kicked out and the town really started to ramp back up again eventually there were hotels Bridges cafes another church
was constructed and things went well for another 50 years so they lived like in peace and Harmony everything was cool
that's always fun it's like David scoby it was like everything was fun yeah it was when everybody started dying exactly
nobody died here yet it was just that President Coolidge signed off on the Hoover Dam being constructed and the
residents of Saint Thomas were told that they could live there they had another they had about seven years until this
whole project was set to get into place but they needed to make arrangements because in seven years they were going
to bury their town in hundreds of feet of water yeah that yeah yeah um I can you just like imagine somebody
knocks on your door and they're like yeah we're gonna um the city that you live in so you can do you mind just
figuring out somewhere else to go like how do you respond to that because like your whole means so much to you I
can't imagine being like yeah we're gonna flood it yeah and like you can never go visit it again or anything like
that like yeah that's just it's just like you're literally like okay like that's just so like what do
you say don't I mean you definitely please don't do that but they're just like we're going to
though yeah they're like President signed off on it sorry president's orders that's uh you gotta get out of
there enjoy the rest of your seven years though please don't like I don't I what
else you're like okay I guess I just abandoned everything I've ever loved and known so they can fill it with water
like cool cool cool it's so strange like you've it was it was it like linear that
yeah it was the same it was whenever you covered these ones and you say that I'm
always like what the [ __ ] like you just get first what the [ __ ] don't ever knock
on my door but you get a knock on the door and they answer back then nobody yeah the ring camera I'm like I don't
know you nope actually excuse me the Simply Safe exactly um but like I just what what you're just like hello I'm
like okay that's bad news no that's not great so pretty much everybody left because they really didn't have another
choice they received a very again just like Lake Lanier a very small payout it was not at all what their not enough
that they would need to start completely over from scratch that's the thing and it's like you're not only leaving your
home but you have land like they should be paid appropriately for that that's the thing they were not and Legend has
it that one man stuck around until The Bitter End this man is called Hugh Lord and he won was not going to accept such
a small payment for his home and his land and two he didn't actually think that the water was gonna rise as high as
the plans laid out he was like I think they're making this a big [ __ ] deal and it's not going to be that big
they're over exaggerating everybody do not worry Unfortunately they were not over exaggerated slightly wrong and I
don't know how true this story is because this sounds a little wild but it said that he realized one morning how
wrong he was when he woke up to his bedroom filling in with water I'm like would they be like allowed to
do that I feel like that would be uh jarring I feel like it would so he is said to have packed up all of his things
got his rowboat he had a row boat ready just in case yeah he set his home on fire and just rode away from it like
what and shortly after his departure Lake Mead was officially filled but as we know it would not remain full forever
so aside from the Lost Cities and the boats that I mentioned are now re-emerging there's also something
pretty [ __ ] wild that technically hasn't or not technically it just hasn't fully emerged yet but we have a view of
it that we've never had before I showed you this and I feel like you're gonna freak you out so crazy this Wild
Thing That is slowly like coming closer and closer to the surface is a B-29 plane that has been sitting in Lake Mead
since 1948. I hate it so this plane it previously was used to survey the Colorado River
and the day that it crashed it was actually running a test flight over Lake Mead so it's unclear really what exactly
went wrong to cause it to crash but when it did it sank so deep that it wasn't traceable now I will tell you luckily
the five people on board were rescued nobody died oh thank goodness everybody survived the crash that's wild so it was
not great but it would be 55 years before the plane was even discovered which happened in 2003 and it was only
because the water levels were of course starting to deplete now even now it is pretty deep down and you do need scuba
gear if you want to go check it out um but if scuba is not your thing I found this article that had a photo from
an aerial point of view and there's this sliding cursor that you can move to see
before the water levels started sinking and then after so first when you're looking at it with like the cursor like
slid over you would have no idea that a plane is lurking below just looks like a
body of water no then you slide the cursor and the view changes to like the after point of view and you can see the
top of this plane again it's still submerged but you can see it like this massive [ __ ] plane just sitting there
I hate it so much when you showed me this picture I was like I hate it I hate it I hate it I knew
there was one more I hate it extra one and another means of transportation also re-emerged very
recently actually in July of this year um I showed you a picture of this too a World War II Higgin ship which was used
for uh soldiers to storm the beaches back during World War II now a lot of these particular Boats were actually
used on D-Day during the second world war and this particular ship that now sits slightly in the water but mostly
sticking out it was a surplus ship that was originally sent to also survey the Colorado River much like the plane I was
just talking about but when they didn't need it for that job anymore it was sold to one of the
marinas at Lake Mead and they actually purposefully sank this boat and the reason they did that was to Anchor this
structure that protects the marina from harmful waves oh okay if the water gets too crazy
so when it sunk it it sat 185 feet below the surface and now is almost completely like above
the surface that's too much when like that's too much that and that gives you too much it
used to be a hundred and eighty feet below the surface and now is like completely that 185 feet of water has
depleted and it's just gone like what that's oof it's so creepy this is akin to like anything to do with oceans or
space where it's just like too much it's too overwhelming like it gets to be a point where you're like oh oh too much
so scared can't rationalize that in my brain no the other thing is this uh this like body of water is what we use for
drinking water for like 40 million Americans yeah that was a little concerning okay so there was like an airplane
lurking below a [ __ ] World War II ship um and we are going to talk about some bodies that are also below and an
ancient city that like we don't even know completely or multi excuse me multiple ancient that we don't even know
like what's lurking behind that land a handful of ancient cities underneath and we're just like oh yeah put that in your
Brita filter and drink it up it'll be fine definitely put it in your Brita [ __ ] film yeah for sure Jesus holy
[ __ ] so creepy no so and sad too because this is a real problem if this water keeps depleting at this rate like 40
million Americans I think it was actually over 40 million Americans are gonna need to find a different source
for drinking water it's so wild how are we at that point guys I'm like we gotta do something we gotta do something
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or being discovered in Lake Mead now in March of 2017 Lake Mead was actually named the deadliest park by outside
magazine and that was even before these bodies started washing up the lake really does get a bad rep because
there's a high amount of death associated with it a lot of people have drowned out there not necessarily in
like a lake linear way with like lost souls pulling you underneath I mean maybe that is the case but it kind of
seems more like people swimming out farther than they intended to and getting tired along the way or jumping
into the water from high up and not realizing how strong the currents are as well because I think when you hear Lake
a lot of times you're like oh Lakes are chill but this like I mean it's massive and it's the wind out there is strong
like the currents get crazy oh yeah because it's true you sync with Lakes like it's just gonna be like glass right
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do and drownings actually account for most of the deaths at the lake but there are also vehicle crashes there's been
homicides I guess and there's been Falls and suicides and actually when outside magazine named Lake Lanier the deadliest
Park they weren't even counting the deaths that were by Suicide wow which is really sad I know now as the lake is
drying up like I said a lot of partial remains are being found as well as whole entire bodies a man was recently
discovered inside of a barrel with a shotgun wound to the back of his head now some people think that this murder
was probably a mile pit because it does sound that way certainly Rings like one definitely does the man was found very
badly decomposed but still wearing actually some of the clothing that he had obviously been wearing when he was
killed including a shirt shoes and a belt now because of the style of the clothing it's believed that this man was
probably killed in the mid 70s to early 80s the mob Theory comes from the fact that
around the late 70s and well into the 80s the areas surrounding Lake Mead were Rife with all kinds of mob activity and
actually the Mob Museum which is the museum I want to go to it's in Vegas a set of the time quote it
was the most violent period in Las Vegas's past an era of unprecedented Street crime and underworld killings
damn and Mobsters were known to kill their pick their victims excuse me particularly with execution style murder
oh yeah so that's much like how this man was found so it's definitely a good theory but it has not been completely
proven yet and historian Michael Green he said or he lived in the area around this time and he did agree that the mob
definitely was known to take their victims out execution style but that most of the time he said people were
killed outside of the city and away from it all because they didn't the mob guys
didn't want to tarnish the gambling industry which does make sense so there are a lot of theories about who
this man could be and the first Theory comes from actually some of the employees at the Mob Museum oh they are
pretty sure like they they're really into this lead they think the man inside the barrel could be a man named Johnny
Papas now while he was still alive Johnny was said to have connections to the Chicago outfit which is a
chicago-based crime family and Johnny himself was from Chicago so it's not crazy to think that that's possible yeah
the leader of the Chicago outfit was Anthony the aunt spelotro I love the names it's like my favorite thing ever I
know it's like super [ __ ] but it's a name just the name the names are just hilarious they are the ant the ant what
about the ant is scary but then I'm like is it like he's the ant like they can carry Anthony they can carry a million
times their body weight oh I didn't even think and they can devour like a whole rotting thing and like can they really
carry a million times their body weight I don't know a million was like but they
can carry but they can carry an absurd amount over their body can carry a couple Crumbs from time to time oh yeah
they can carry more than that ew yeah I hate that my stepdad had this theory that like we're ants too like wear
somebody else's ants and it used to really creep me out that is so heavy he was a very emotionally unwell I was just
gonna say was he like dropping acid at that point or something well I mean you know what I'm doing so like potential
that's wild no he was doing like worse than that but yeah you know he had some theories but he had some thoughts he had
a lot of thoughts that like I don't particularly share damn yeah so Johnny Chicago yay Aunt uh not yay Aunt the
aunt worked with four different casinos quote unquote overseeing operations oh yeah I bet he did yeah but he oversaw a
lot and word on the street was that the ant and his guys were skimming off the top and that Johnny Papas might have
known about it because Johnny worked at the casinos uh he worked in the Las Vegas Hilton and at Caesar's Palace both
of those casinos he also managed a hotel called Echo Bay on Lake Mead and Echo Bay was run by a company that was said
to open up different properties to use as fronts for spending mob money for spreading mom money excuse me
so One Day in 1976 Johnny just simply vanished he told his wife in the morning that he was gonna show somebody his boat
on Lake Mead because they were interested in buying it but he never showed back up and they found his car
missing like four days later and they were like ah this is not good something went awry I eventually they found his
car abandoned they found it so it wasn't missing they found it it had been yeah so over
the years it's been suspected that the ant and his guys might have rubbed Johnny out which by the way doesn't that
expression just creep you the [ __ ] out yeah because it just makes you think of
like a big picture yeah and you're just rubbing a person with your thumb yeah it
creeps like that's not how that works I don't like it so yeah over the years many people suspect that the ant and his
guys rub Johnny out and by the way if the name Tony spelotro or any of this story sounds familiar to you that might
be because he inspired one of the characters in the movie Casino ah Nikki Santoro played by by Joe Pesci oh okay I
was inspired by the ant the ant ah now in August of this year a gun was actually found pretty close to where the
body in the barrel had been discovered but it has not been determined yet if this gun was used in that killing okay
but another woman who actually was contacted to give a sample of her DNA thinks it's possible that her brother is
the man who was found inside the Barrel in May of this year she said that when the barrel was
discovered quote I just knew it was him I still feel it's him oh now This Woman's name is Barbara Brock and she
explained that her brother Bobby Eugene Shaw went missing about 45 years ago and
she was told by the police that based on the condition of the skeletal Remains the time period of when he went missing
could make sense like he could be the body in the barrel okay and they asked if she would submit her DNA oh damn and
that's like pending that's pending and Bobby was said to also have connections to the Mob oh okay so like I
said Barbara was asked to give DNA and she did and her nephew also gave a DNA sample
um they gave their samples over I believe in May of this past year but the police think that it could take a while
to get a definitive answer like at least a year oh wow really yeah I guess it takes a long time to be like a DNA but
she feels very strongly that this is her brother and the police the fact that they did ask for her DNA
they're at least trying to rule it out they are now William Crespo has been another name brought up as potentially
being the man inside the barrel back in 1982 which I don't know about that he was arrested at an airport because he
was trying to smuggle a [ __ ] ton of cocaine back into the U.S we are talking 400
000 worth of cocaine I feel like that's a lot uh today it would be 1.2 million dollars worth of cocaine so you are
correct that is a lot many many cocaines uh he also had connections to the mafia
as well but when he was arrested at the airport he gave information to avoid a heavy sentence eek his testimony against
these people involved in the mafia actually led to 10 indictments and after that he disappeared oh yeah I would say
so so my question though is did he disappear because like uh revenge or was he placed in the witness protection
program yeah you know and it's like already disappear in huge somewhere else yeah exactly like he just disappeared
because he had to yeah or they killed they did kill him but they just put him somewhere else exactly doesn't
necessarily have to be this one no and based on the timeline I don't know how likely it is that he's the guy inside
the man inside the barrel excuse me because he was arrested back in 1982 yeah so it would have been like well
into the 80s and they're thinking more like mid 70s early 80s so it could happen but yeah it's like right on that
Fringe but like it sounds more like he disappeared because I think too yeah I think the other two are strong quickly I
do too there's uh one last name the last name I saw is a potential to be maybe a
match of the uh to the body in the barrel was jay van dermak he was in charge of running a slot machine
operation for the mob at the Stardust Resort and Casino when the Stardust was raided back in 1976 he left Vegas real
quick because he was like I'm not gonna get caught up on that but he did get caught up in that because there are
rumors that he met with the mob to hand over the seven million dollars that he had made for them oof but it was
discovered that he had kept three of those Millions to himself and was later killed because of that
so it is also possible in 1976 you never know I would say that the strongest two
leads are probably Johnny Papa's and Bobby yeah definitely I think so too so that's the body that was found inside
the barrel and remember that was only in May of last year so I'm hoping by next may like we could have an answer and if
it is Barbara's brother at least she'll she can have that yeah at least she knows where he is right what happened
because I was watching an interview with her and she said like she'll see somebody on the street that looks like
him and like stop them or like try to get a better look at them she's like constantly searching so it would be nice
so she could at least have some kind of closure as a weird word but yeah I don't
think I feel like we've learned over this like these past few years yeah that closure isn't the best way to describe
it but but some semblance yeah at least so now if you are a fan of paddle boarding I don't know if the next
Discovery will be for you or not I'm not so let's go me either uh so recently two
sisters they weren't us because we're not into that no but they went paddle boarding out on Lake Mead and they got a
little bit more than they bargained for uh-oh they were paddling along and they saw what they thought were the bones of
a bighorn sheep so they go over to this area and they start digging because they're like holy [ __ ] like is that what
that is is that a bighorn sheep is this a big horn sheep put a random thing to think it is I know I don't know if
they're like uh bighorn sheep aficionados yeah or I don't know if like bighorn sheep are frequent flyers in the
lake maybe they are I'm not sure it's pretty cool though so they start digging and they realize it becomes very
apparent very quickly that this is not a sheep one of the sisters Lynette Melvin
explained to the reporters later it wasn't until I saw the Jawbone with a silver filling that I was like oh this
is a human and started to freak out oh yeah that must be wild I can't imagine I hope that I hope that doesn't happen
ever so in investigators handling this specific case they haven't been able to determine a cause of death for this set
of remains like but we kind of have we but we basically have the answer they said they don't expect Foul Play but
later the remains were identified actually as those of a man named Thomas earned uh he had been reported missing
20 years ago on August 2nd 2002. he was 42 years old and he went out for a boat day with his family he jumped into the
water and it sounds like the currents were too strong and he started drowning but he was kind of a jokester so at
first his family thought he was joking no but then he started screaming like I'm serious I need help never joke about
drowning everybody no exactly and then he was not so his family went to get help but by the time they got back they
couldn't find him because horrific the currents are so strong like these currents can take a body hundreds and
hundreds of things it originally was now in Thomas's case like I said it took 20 years for his body to be located but
thankfully he was able to be put to rest and his family got some kind of semblance of peace and he was actually
able to be identified because there's a long list of missing people who went missing while on Lake Mead
so the police were like going through that list trying to like just narrowing down narrowing down exactly and Thomas's
son got a call asking if he could provide DNA to hopefully match up to the remains so Thomas's son and his daughter
both agreed to give DNA samples and sure enough it was a match his son told reporters I mean of course it's going to
close a big chapter just knowing he's at peace now after so long but it is definitely big news and I don't know if
I was ready for it I don't think you're ever ready for that no it's just like so
sad but I'm also happy that now they have a place to go visit exactly you know so more and more remains are being found
at Lake Mead a lot of them by the way are partial sets of remains that hopefully can put it can be put together
and potentially identify more missing people connected to that area and a lot of investigators believe that
this is really just the tip of the iceberg and that there are going to be a lot more remains a lot more relics just
like a lot more oh yeah that Lake Mead look at what has already been found and it's like we're just starting to have
this we're just scratching the surface like quite literally literally it's wild um but they say that it's not a reason
to stop enjoying the lake they do want people to continue to enjoy the lake but they also are urging people you know
this is like we need to do something about this we'll have to figure it out um the lake Meads National Park and
Recreation division Chief David Alber says I think people need to understand that this is a big place Lake Mead
covers one and a half million acres of land between Nevada and Arizona and we've been here as a recreation area in
one form or another since 1936 when the Hoover Dam was established damn this has
also been a land that people have seen moving through it for thousands of years between Native Americans and early
settlers blurs so to so to be surprised that another set of human remains has been found Is Not Unusual
now like I said there's been a lot of remains found I think I believe five sets of remains including the body and
the barrel have been found and it's hard to say if how many more are going to be
found because people are thinking that there could be hundreds more along the surface officers are getting calls every
single day to go out and investigate like a new lead but unfortunately sometimes it's things like skeletons
that like scuba diver scuba divers Left Behind like way back one as a joke oh geez so they're going out to investigate
that and then they're like no it's like like a Halloween skeleton yeah exactly yeah exactly or like they'll go out to
investigate and it's just animal bones because again it's a national park recreation area
now oh so shocking everybody there are also some reports of hauntings in the area why can you explain why that would
be I just didn't so people have heard crying and weeping when they're in the damn's power plant uh they'll hear
footsteps when there's nobody behind them sometimes people have even heard voices that don't belong to anybody in
their tour group and everybody will like turn their head and be like what the [ __ ] was that and it's a disembodied
voice and a man has also been seen in the dam he's dressed in what's referred to as old-fashioned Park clothes and if
you catch a glimpse of him you better not blink and you better not make any move toward him because the second you
do he simply poofs into the air oh like it should not even go anywhere near him he's like goodbye he's a shy one he is
and it's believed that he could be one of the many men that were killed during the construction of the dance uh yes 96
men were killed on the job and that number doesn't even account for people who died either like at the hospital or
home later crazy people also claim to hear activity coming from the abandoned Mead Lodge
which was once an up and running place for guests to come stay the weekend at the lake but they eventually closed down
when the lake like went further and further out yeah couldn't really enjoy it anymore again due to climate change
and I saw a few videos on YouTube of people just like exploring the abandoned Lodge it's got this creepy desolate feel
to it now and the air is said to feel very heavy inside oh I hate that and that my friends could be part one of
like me because I'm like are we gonna have to do a part two and more of these probably remains are found and look who
gosh knows what else is going to be found oh man that was intense it was interesting a lot it's the most no
wonder you guys were requesting that that was interesting ominous fascinating terrifying there you go and phobia
inducing it truly was so thank you for that and with that being said we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep
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New installment on the show!!! SPOOKY LAKES! Alaina brings us to New Hampshire to talk about Haunted Lake. It’s all in the name, this place is super ominous and a WILD phenomena happened hundreds of years ago that you just HAVE to hear about. Then Ash takes us over to Nevada to talk about Lake Mead. So many of you guys have been requesting that we cover Lake Mead simply because of all the bodies that have been washing up. We’ll discuss some of those remains and who they belong to as well as talking about what else once lurked beneath the surface.

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Brief Summary

Elena and Ash discuss haunted lakes, focusing on Scoby Pond and Lake Mead's eerie histories and recent discoveries of human remains.

Key points

Spooky Lakes Series Begins. Elena and Ash kick off a new series exploring haunted lakes, starting with Haunted Lake.
Tobias Forge Joins the Podcast. Excitement builds as the hosts announce Tobias Forge from Ghost will be on the show.
The Dark Day of 1780. A mysterious dark phenomenon in New England leads to mass panic and confessions.
The Tale of Haunted Lake. A mysterious lake covered in scum and haunted by screams.
Lake Mead's Shrinking Depth. Lake Mead has lost over 200 feet of water due to climate change.
The Lost City Museum. A museum in Nevada showcases artifacts from civilizations submerged under Lake Mead.

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