The Source Family | Episode 362 | Morbid: A True Crime Podcast | Forensic Files

hey you weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is morbid [Music] can I call you out for a second uh yeah
in like a good way it's like a silly thing anytime you do the hey weirdos you outstretch your arms I do every single
time when you hit record and you go hey weirdos and it's like you're like lifting them all you're cut you're kind
of like a a cult leader oh on theme today you are we're talking about a cult today but that is I didn't
know that I just watched you do it and I've like thought about it before but not said anything and I just had to say
it I kind of love that I do that and I didn't even realize yeah you're you're a cult leader I'm a cult leader and I had
no idea look at that that's what that is funny um so what's everybody watching on TV
anybody watching good TV out there oh anybody are you yes okay actually I was watching um The Real Housewives of
Beverly Hills and okay I love the housewives and I know I know the recipe you get a super [ __ ] hyped for an
episode and then all the goddamn all the GD drama happens in the last five minutes and they're like wait for next
week I hate that so they've been really hyping up this um [ __ ] Aspen episode and I was so excited I'm watching it
last night all the end all at the end and now I'm dying to know what happens and I just
want to say team Sutton oh I just want to say that I'm I'm a Beverly Hills like I've gone in and out yeah you haven't I
haven't been in but I know Sutton yeah and I'm I'm interested to see why your team's I feel like Sutton is one of my
Souls honestly Sutton is getting like bullied this season to the point where it's actually hard to watch that happens
a lot on these shows and it's funny because when you watch it like at a certain point I think we've
all kind of maybe it's like the internet or something we've all kind of reached a
point where we're like oh yeah that's not cool well you know all of a sudden you're just like oh [ __ ] like what I
thought was fun drama before you like um yeah it's really mean actually there's still like fun drama like of course the
fun drama but so there's an element yeah and sometimes it just gets tea I love that this is a Housewives podcast yeah
you know I would [ __ ] love that um but sometimes it just gets taken to a point where you're like too far yeah
like I don't too far I don't need to watch that like I don't want to watch Sutton crying because somebody's calling
her a [ __ ] like yes I don't want to watch that sometimes there's parts of reality shows where you're like I feel
weird that I'm being allowed to watch this yeah like I don't think I should be allowed to watch this moment and I'm
maybe it's like it comes with age or something that you're just like gaining the same kind of entertainment that I
gained from watching somebody be upset about something it's just not what I've been doing because a lot of people are
talking about like I don't want to like say names but there's like some like honestly there's so much drama going on
on Tick Tock and I know one person is like breaking down on Tick Tock everyone's talking about it and I'm like
we're not supposed to watch people break down on the internet yeah you're not supposed to watch that for like
entertainment value yeah it just really is one of those things that like there's no way and I I saw somebody talk
about it that there's no way the human brain was made yeah it was a guy that was taking a break from Tick Tock yeah
to just like scroll through and watch somebody like going through cancer treatments and like losing their you
know their loved one to this horrible disease and like you watch their story and you get so upset and you cry and
then you scroll five seconds later and you're watching someone do a dance that makes you laugh and then you scroll
again and it's somebody's dog on their last day of life eating delicious food and you scroll again and it's like yeah
there's no way our brains are and I know we're like [ __ ] the internet right now
but like it's getting to a point where it's just like like I love Tick Tock I [ __ ] love my Tick Tock is a very it's
my for you page is a fun place honestly mine is really all happy it's just making me laugh and like making and
giving me like thought-provoking things and a lot I don't have a lot of sad oh a
lot of stranger things I have a lot of Eddie months and on my for you page which is fine with me
but it's a lot of like I don't get any of the sad stuff I think because I'm like I'm not interested
button but like it's true that there's just like a lot of uh there's a lot of like I've seen a lot of creators that
are having like a really hard time right now and I hope everybody's doing okay like one of my favorite creators and I
know you really love her too Michaela I mean you just have to say Michaela oh yeah on Tick Tock like people are being
awful to hurt I'm like ha she just seems like that like I don't know her personally but she is a Gemini so like
but and she's a Boston and she's a Boston girl with like a full-blown accent she's the best but how are you
being mean to her all she wants to do is bring joy show you how to do your [ __ ] makeup like a boss yeah she's
just bringing joy and it's just like I don't know it's easy from another position to be like anybody talking [ __ ]
at somebody like that is clearly a very unhappy person and that's where they get
their positive little jollies out is by taking someone else into their Darkness with them and then even that makes me
sad too exactly see that doesn't make me sad because I'm like get the [ __ ] off
the internet about what you're doing but I'm like it's easy for someone else you
can say it to someone else it's easy to look in on some other Creator and be like I promise you this is what these
people are right but when it when it's happening to you it's like that's you can't see that right you can't see
through it and it's just all-encompassing and when I watched her videos like guys follow her because
she's [ __ ] amazing and because she does amazing makeup and she's just a God she's a joy she's a life Joy she really
is that's the thing like I feel like I've been meditating so much lately and I know and I'm [ __ ] crazy and we're
also gonna get like into meditation in this episode there you go we're just we're teeing up for this episode is what
we're doing but I feel like I'm just thinking a lot more about like light and like the light inside of people and like
what people project out into the world and I'm not like I'm not just like saying light I'm just saying like who
you are and like Karma and all that stuff and I just don't understand why when people see somebody shining so
[ __ ] brightly you have to take it upon yourself to try to tear that down that and that's the I I think we've all
like the internet is a scary place and it brings out the worst in people it also brings out the best in people like
the cone kid that's it so it's like there's some really great things and it's like I wish everybody would just
lean more that way of like lifting people up yeah and we've all like you know everybody's had moments where
you've been a dick and of course and it's like but just it's so it's fine just grow right just grow as a person
when she's because I think you and I are we've been saying it a lot we've been saying it for the last like couple years
I think on this podcast that we're just like you know what I just decided it's just like not I don't I don't find joy
in watching you know public breakdowns and [ __ ] it's just not something I like
to it's like I remember when like Amanda Bynes when that whole thing was happening everybody was watching it and
we all were nothing included I was gonna say I was gonna say and I look back now
and I'm like that wasn't funny no like that wasn't funny it's just like I know it was like we it's so but it's weird to
see the difference when you start growing even if you have that stuff like how different you can feel about a
situation it's gross and it's like when you I just I want everybody just to like
that's why I just want to like you know shout out podcasts and like shout like tell you to go listen to these things
and go read these books because like let's just [ __ ] lift cool people up right and that's all like the thing is
it feels if you're putting hate out into the world you're getting it back yeah that's why you're miserable that's why
you're unhappy you got to start speaking good [ __ ] into existence it's true you
got like you don't compliment somebody because you want something out of it no but like do it because it feels good and
it does it really does it does it feels a lot everybody talks [ __ ] with their friends we still talk [ __ ] like a Gemini
of course I'm out here talking [ __ ] we're not sitting there being like don't say anything mean about it no of course
talk [ __ ] with your friends whatever you want I think it's when it goes public
and when like it just becomes this bullying thing like when I saw Michaela so upset it just I was like dude yeah
and I've seen so many creators like that lately like some of them are leaving Tick Tock and stuff and I'm like man and
that's the other thing I'm like you were gonna sit here all these haters and like
comment mean [ __ ] on this video but then you're gonna be the first person pissed
off when that person is like I'm not creating yeah exactly so it's like just remember that there's humans behind
there like and we're not talking about it like they're not even talking we're not even talking about ourselves I'm
talking you guys are [ __ ] awesome you guys are honestly we have a great Community like I I talked about like the
book unboxing the other day and you guys like literally made me have like almost
Tears like if I was a human I would have had tears in my eyes um I just have to like say this because
like one one positive positive to another positive positive this bitch's waist was snatched in that video I like
you look beautiful your face is gorgeous but like that goes without saying and I'm so happy you wrote a book but you're
way so smashed I was like oh my God look at this girl thank you you're welcome it
was the jeans it really was it's you I appreciate it it's you wearing the jeans the jeans weren't wearing you you know
what you look [ __ ] phenomenal and your lashes aren't to die oh my God go to slaylee Taylor the fact that I I
Kaylie's like you've been shouting me out on the podcast so much lately I'm like I know you're like I love you I
know it's it's it's do it's women supporting women that's right that's been supporting women that [ __ ] put
glitter eyelashes in my eyelashes see for a concert that I'm going to everybody's great I love life but you
guys are seriously [ __ ] awesome and we just like we gotta like give you pats on the back because you make us happy
yeah and you make us excited to make you content and you guys rule we really that's why I want to see like other
creators having like so many issues I'm like oh no can I give you some of my my amazing Community like that and that's
why I wanted to because I'm like you guys are so [ __ ] amazing yeah and you lift us up all the time so I'm like can
you here you go over that love to like other people too yeah because you guys are just [ __ ] awesome like you were
so sweet on that unboxing video and like I just want to hug you all like just and
I don't even like hugs I [ __ ] hate hugs so we're both not Huggers even like I I didn't know what to caption my
picture the other day and I'd just been thinking lately that I want more tattoos
so I just made it I need some more tattoos and so many of you guys were like I'm a tattoo artist here like I
would love to tattoo yeah like that's cool like that's spreading awesome yeah you just you guys are great and I just
we just say we want to let you know whenever we can how [ __ ] great you are and that we appreciate you right now
we're love bombing you because we want you to join a cult no I'm just kidding but we are gonna talk about a call and
we should probably get into it now because that was kind of like my attempt at a Segway so there you go so and you
know this we just brought it old school for a second with like a 10 minute tangent in the beginning yeah but I
thought it was important it's just talking about like everybody be everybody be psyched yeah exactly so
I'll just high five each other and tell each other good job great job you're doing great today you look great you
look great you're gonna have a great day today and if anybody feels like [ __ ] right now and you're having like a bad
day you're gonna have a [ __ ] great day you look great you know what I can tell from over here that you smell great
you do smell very good you are projecting wonderful Vibes you're having a wicked good hair day you're having an
amazing hair day your face is radiant and you know what you're you're a wonderful human inside and your coffee
or tea or beverage of choice today is gonna be so good um what was I gonna say I was gonna tell
you something else about yourself wow wow that just flew right out of me maybe it'll pop in your head randomly in the
middle of the episode oh wait it's back there it is our principal from high school oh yeah make it a great day or
not the choice is yours there you go all right so let's get into the story now that we've no revived all over you it's
all it's a whole bunch of woo so it's really on brand it's really on brand foreign
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we've got we've got True Crime we've got murder acquittal also we've got yoga of
course and astrology oh wow and most importantly there's Cults of course um I do have to give a little shout out to my
friend not Kaylee but Kayla uh we were talking a couple weeks ago about how we would have absolutely mistakenly joined
a cult back in the 70s definitely would and Kayla was like ash like you always say you would have gotten on the bus
with Charlie Manson unknowingly of course of course and she was like I don't know if that's the cult we would
have ended up in I think we might have ended up in the source family wow so that's what I'm going to be talking
about okay so I start looking into this like she's like oh there's this documentary it's literally called The
Source family I think it's on Amazon for free there's commercials though but um it's okay though I know how you guys
feel about it it's all right it's okay I'm just kidding but I was like I started looking into this I'm like I
have to cover this on morbid because I think the last cult that I did personally was the Blackburn cult wow
and that was one of my favorite episodes you've done oh thank you that was also a
long time when we discovered [ __ ] Johnny and Tyler from that spooky oh my God yes because they had covered it and
I listened to their episode after to like I was like oh like maybe did I get everything you know oh and then I
listened to their episode and I said these boys are great I love them I love them and then she told me she said
that's spooky you gotta listen to it and I said oh they're on a [ __ ] Network and they're the best am I they love them
I think we're gonna go do like a collab with them in the next couple of months so check um your eyes out don't check
your eyes out but yes um and I also then I saw some of you suggest this case Okay so we're with
all that being said all of the [ __ ] [ __ ] we gotta get into the source family
cult and it all begins with a man named James Jim Edward Baker yes okay so there
is really limited information on his early life there's limited information on this case all around but I did some
newspapers.com action and we love newspapers.com it just helps you like piece the puzzle together it's not an ad
we just genuinely like this is organically we just [ __ ] love newspapers.com I truly do so I was able
to find out that Jim was born in Cincinnati Ohio on July 4th 1922. oh with the Roaring 20s all right that's
what I was literally gonna say so his father left when he was really young and he was raised primarily by his mom Cora
which really pretty name now from a young age he was super fascinated with health and wellness and he ended up
growing up in the same neighborhood as Paul Bragg do you know who Paul Brad is that sounds very familiar you're gonna
realize it because I realized it and I was like I literally have his [ __ ] in my
cabinets oh you probably don't but it's a little woo oh okay oh that only put like growing up in the same uh
neighborhood as Paul Bragg only put more of an emphasis on Jim's Fascination because Paul Bragg actually became very
well known over the years as kind of like an alternative Health Food Advocate okay and he believed he had like these
wild beliefs for back then that in order to lead a healthy lifestyle which it's gonna sound funny now because these are
things that I think a lot of people kind of implement into their lives now fasting like I know a lot of people are
into intermittent fasting he was all about that he was about no meat like avoiding meat and having a regular
exercise routine yeah which we're not saying any of these things are things you should do or not or not do no I
literally don't have a regular exercise routine um and I never fast yeah did so do do
what you want to do and talk to a doctor first so this is also one of the first people to make juicing popular and
eventually he would go on to have his own brand and it all started with apple cider vinegar for example cider vinegar
oh okay um he thought that it had like really revitalizing ingredients that would
promote a healthy gut and had all the these other like health benefits people love an apple cider vinegar moment they
do I don't know a lot about apple cider vinegar but I do know that it helps with
my heartburn and then I realized that the soy sauce alternative that I use is actually Bragg's brand oh that's funny
just sitting in my cabinet this whole it's wild it's called Liquid Aminos but he was also one of the first people to
open a health food store I think it was opened in 1912. and it primary it was kind of like a like a Whole Foods Trader
Joe's kind of place but anyway Paul became a really big part of Jim's life and he really became like a father
figure because remember his father just up and left so they would go hiking together all the
time and they'd you know Paul was talking to Jim about this like Alternative Health lifestyle and Jim was
already interested so I think that kind of planted the seed early on yeah and I think it's where a lot of Jim Baker's
Foundation came from and he would later take his conversations with Paul Bragg and other people and different things he
learned through his own studies of Health and Wellness to open his own health food stores and restaurants
but he had a few things to do before he got there so when he was 12 years old he was
apparently named America's strongest boy oh just casual that's a thing I don't know what the wall is anymore I don't
know if you can like sign your boy up for that but massage your boy out sign your boys up for the America's strongest
boy contest so it's the age range there great question yes I didn't look too much into it because I was just totally
fine wow cool yeah I'm good knowing just that amount of information I'm glad uh he he took that though he took that
title and ran with it hell yeah because as he was growing up he was like really active he took archery lessons he played
different kinds of sports but the main thing that really spoke to Jim was Judo yeah you know yeah of course
um it's unclear where exactly his mother worked I really tried to figure out where she was working and I couldn't but
she was said to have worked with an inmate so I'm assuming like some kind of like prison system
um and this inmate was a judo Master before he became incarcerated and this Trudeau master was the one to teach Jim
all about it okay and then Jim basically became a judo Master like wow through the teachings of this man it's very
Karate Kid Larry wax on wax off oh my God I wanted to write that and then I was like is that too silly no never so
once he became somewhat of his own Judo Master Jim he either enlisted or he was drafted into the Marines just in time
for the start of World War II and he was in the front lines like he he saw hand-to-hand combat they said and he was
said to bring home a silver star for his courageous Behavior after a ship that he
was on was attacked um I will point out that his name doesn't appear on the list of men who
did bring home silver stars of the year so the thing about Jim is like he becomes a cult leader spoiler alert
so he's a tall tale teller he's a tall tale teller and then all over the years like his followers have heard these
stories and it's like a game of telephones of course so you don't really know what's true and what's not all the
time that's a requirement for being a cult leader absolutely sorry if you just heard my chair squeak I had to readjust
but so yeah I didn't see his name on that list but if you do watch the documentary The Source family
documentary they um flash this newspaper headline and I paused and unpaused a million times so I could read it and
basically it said that Jim was aboard the ship called the Chicago and it was attacked and he seemed to like fight off
the enemy and then hit the ship that he was on sunk and he floated in the water for hours I guess waiting to be picked
up and that was all while he was still in training wow allegedly so he has a time in the war he does some wild crazy
stuff yeah and then he comes home then he gets married to this woman named Margaret and they have a daughter named
Peggy and Jim is trying to adjust to family life and he opens up a fitness center
that he named after himself it was called Baker's gym but that really only lasted a short
while because a main theme in this story is that Jim was always looking for his purpose like he he never felt like he
was fulfilling his purpose yeah so he was like I don't know I feel like there's out there there's more out there
for me so he kind of like um William Desmond tailors it and abandons his wife and child to go find what's out there
for him so he's a [ __ ] yeah exactly I also love that he did Baker's gym because his name is Jim Baker yeah yeah
that is fun it's also like would you go to Baker's gym no do they have cookies there probably not I hope so it's like
when Planet Fitness you stick about the free pizza and I'd be like isn't this kind of counter-intuitive but it's like
nah fuel up I love people fuel up for your workout I would go for the free pizza all the time and then I feel like
oh I I'm gonna hop on this machine for four minutes bye yeah there you go you did a workout yeah four minutes is great
it's more than zero it's more than I'm doing right now so you moved your shoulders that's exercise
there you go so he ends up so he leaves he abandoned this family his young baby child it's
fun and he ends up where everybody goes when they're trying to find themselves say it with me yeah
it worked out we were on the same page we were there as soon as the cow's like whoops she
saved the whole state I forgot okay that really worked out so he tried acting for a bit obviously of course
that's what you do when you abandon your family always gotta go for the acting he's screen tested for the role as
Tarzan but um he didn't make the cut I think this was before he grew out or it was before he grew all of his hair so I
guess I get it he didn't have a long flowing Mane and have the Mane that's not Tarzan brand no way so he was like
all right that didn't work out so then he was like you know what I'll do I think I want to become a stunt man yeah
should we try to stand at that unclear really how that turned out it doesn't seem like too much came of it though and
um there was still more that Jim felt like he should be doing yeah he didn't know what it was but he was like like
none of this is right it doesn't feel right so while he's trying to figure out his
life's purpose he opens up a sandal shop okay that's the obvious next step in your life's journey he was like uh good
with leather like he was like a leather worker so I think it was okay like how he made the sandals sweet and he starts
making sandals for this group called The Nature voice I had never heard of the nature boys had you no they're
apparently faint like like famous like well known oh so uh Jim would like make shoes for them
they also would like hang out on the beach because they lived off the land so the nature boys they wore like white
robes and sandals they only ate fruits and vegetables and they lived off of like very little money okay they lived
like I just said strictly outdoors and all about living off the land so one of the nature boys one of the very first
his name was even abez and he wrote the song Nature Boy that Nat King Cole later
oh okay it's actually like a really beautiful song I love it um just like a little aside about him I
started reading more about him as soon as I got into this one of his main main beliefs was to give love and receive
love is the greatest gift that one could ever get or give in life yeah just ask you and McGregor and Moulin Rouge oh my
god when they play Nature Boy and they and he says that exact thing I haven't seen that movie in so long and now I
want to watch it he says to love and be loved is the greatest thing of all it is
and that's what eban said oh and said it too he did also believe that no human should capitalize the first letter in
their name or the like their last name like no capital letters in your name because God and infinity were the only
two things that were worthy of that much honor I'm glad you explained that because my next question was going to be
like why though yeah it's not worthy of that I mean I'm doing it sorry I'm gonna continue to you should yeah I like
it so all that to say that Jim would really start to think a bit more about his conversations with the nature boys
and then think back to his conversations with Paul and I think the holistic natural way of life really really
started speaking to him because he's getting older now he's like nearing his 30s yeah so by the time he's decided to
act on those beliefs by opening his very own natural food restaurant he had met and married another woman this one by
the way that you said he's getting older now nearing his 30s like any 20 year old
is old like that was wild I'm really sorry you're like he was like 27. I know I don't feel like I feel very old
I'm not but I feel it um I just mean to interrupt you I just that was wild how dare you well I did
insult you a little bit so like I do apologize I do apologize Elder Millennials it's
okay I feel fine about it sir I can't wait to turn 30. turning 30 is great I think you figure a lot out in your 30s I
think that I'm like approaching it a little sooner than like I would because I got you yeah your 30s is definitely
when you're like oh that's how things work okay yeah I'm starting to feel that way yeah but yeah so he he he's old and
he's an old 20 year old he meets another woman he marries her her name is Elaine
beautiful name and um so he does all that and also by the time he opened his restaurant he had um killed a man oh no
you heard that right we went from like a lot of Peace Love Health hippie ideals and then we just went
just straight up murder that came out of nowhere was it murder though Elena or was it self-defense you decide I don't
know I wasn't there well you weren't there but also I'm gonna tell you about it so like maybe you can make an
inference cool all right cool I love the word inference that's a great word so the year was 1955 and uh he's 33. yeah
so 33 year old Jim Baker was living in Topanga Canyon yeah thank you uh he had a neighbor that he was friendly enough
with this guy's name was Edward a Bollinger I believe uh Edward was a mechanic and Edward had a dog named
candy but he I love that I was like yep he did correct but he had run into a bit
of trouble with the law I it seems like he was driving with a suspended license I don't know he was I don't know if
there were like previous charges that basically he had to go to jail he was going to be spending some time in the
big house oh no and because of that he was like I'm gonna be gone but like I can't bring candy with me obviously they
do not let you bring your puppy to jail no so he said hey Jim would you mind watching candy while I'm gone like would
you take her in and Jim's like yeah no problem he takes the dog in Edward heads off to
jail I think it was a short stint because he you know hadn't killed anybody yeah but when he gets back he's
[ __ ] pissed at Jim oh no because he finds out that Jim wasn't letting candy stay inside at night oh no he's like
keeping her tied up outside which I know some people do um you know no judgment known
um but but Edward had judgment yeah it was his dog exactly he was pissed he was like what
the [ __ ] so this big fight ensues and Edwards and ends up dead oh no and the way that Jim later explained it he said
he explained to the San Bernardino County Sun that newspaper what happened he said Edward was quote incensed and
kept screaming at me suddenly he spun around and I caught a glimpse of metal without even thinking I grabbed his arm
in a judo hold and hurled him over a 20-foot embankment what he survived he still had his knife in his hand when he
started to get up again I leaped out him and he and used another Judo hold I meant to disarm him not to kill him
so oh that's what he says happened and when the police arrived on scene they did find Edward's body right next to an
eight-inch hunting knife okay Jim's wife Elaine was there she corroborated the story Jim's story so he ends up getting
off of murder charges and the attack was attributed to self-defense oh my so he has killed one man oh man
um yeah now I found a couple of interesting tidbits in that San Bernardino County Sun article too one of
which was Jim explaining to the interviewer that his father was a Chicago detective who was killed by
gangsters literally any other source I could find about his father said that he just left
when Jim was still a baby so I think I think that was a little FIB it was a little cult leader moment yeah I think
he was just embellishing and then the other tidbit is almost like a little bit of foreshadowing for something later in
the story so I'm just gonna have I'm gonna tell you right now and you can hold on to it you can uh put it in your
back pocket the article mentions that Jim won a World Judo championship in 1948 against opponent wild billzim of
Argentina wow like how could I not tell you that yeah you gotta tell us that he wins the
championship again Wild Bill you win anything against a wild bill or a wild anything for that matter a Wild
Thornberry you burned it yeah but he so he wins that and he says quote however that was my last match I collapsed with
a broken back right after the match oh I was hospitalized for more than six months from the injury it's a very
deadly weapon referring to Judo but now I wish I had never heard of it oh you heard it here first that was certainly
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behind Jim he decided that he was going to focus on making improvements to his life yeah of course he and his wife
decided together that they were going to open a restaurant and that it was going
to be one of the first of its kind in the California area so their plan was to serve like super organic Whole Foods
very health conscious and they decided that they were going to name the place the aware in cool were they was he going
to invite his old family to come yeah I don't think so no no I think chicken I think Peggy and Margaret
um said decline that invitation yeah I think they were like I'm good we're gonna go eat cheeseburgers together
because you left us and that's comfort food so the original we're in uh opened up in 1957 at 8 8 28 Sunset Boulevard
and there were like quotes painted on the wall walls that said things like food should be selected with confidence
eaten with pleasure and digested with ease yeah like so motivational and from the start actually the awaren was a huge
success a lot of celebrities were going there to order carrot juice hoping that it would restore their youth or
something for sure and there's a misconception that the awaren only served vegetarian food they didn't they
served meat um there were dishes like burgers beef stroganoff things like that so they had
a little bit of everything but it was a health-conscious way of doing it okay in
their opinion uh so with the aware end becoming so popular so quickly and with the business bringing in a really good
amount of money the baker said you know what let's open a similar restaurant down the street a little bit and they
open up this restaurant and it was called the old world I like their names I do like yeah there ended up being
another one called The Discovery in like they're just like fun they're pretty good at like those like adventury yeah
yeah exactly so this restaurant the old world had pretty much all the same values that that the aware in had just
with like a slightly different menu and it was a little farther down Sunset Boulevard all was well and fine business
was booming The Bakers even had a couple kids by now I think they had two but Jim
still wasn't satisfied yeah he can't get no satisfied no he can't now it appears
during this time he had at least two Affairs on his wife the first that we're going to talk about uh actually ended up
with Jim killing another man yeah so one of the actresses that frequented his restaurants and hung out
with the beat on the beach with him from time to time was Jean Ingram okay uh she's best known for movies throughout
the early 60s I don't know if any of these sound familiar to you or anybody listening uh she was in three came to
kill in 1960 Burke's law in 1963 and Sergeant deadhead in 1965. oh that sounds familiar the last one sounded
familiar to me as well but back to 1963 for a second because that is when Jim actually killed jeans estranged husband
over his restaurant the awaren wow yeah wonderful huh okay so from the sounds of
the setup there was an apartment above the restaurant and on January 29 1963 Jean's husband Robert showed up while
Jim was at his apartment and Robert demands that Jim shows him where Gene is hiding he's like I know she's in here I
know what's going on between the two of you you have fought like let me know let
me not tell you the whole thing right away Gene honestly very well could have been coming and going to that apartment
and I don't doubt that Robert probably did see her Venture into there at some point but on that particular day she was
not there oh so they had actually been together Jim and Jean the day before and Robert ran into them and allegedly
the day before he had threatened to kill Jim when he saw him next he said the next time I see you shit's going down
yeah he said I know Gene's messing around on me I know you're the the guy and I'm literally gonna kill you he said
one of these days when you least expect it I'm gonna put a bullet through you oh
boy According to Jim this is messy it's so messy so the next day when Jim told Robert that Gene was not hiding anywhere
in his apartment Robert did not believe him so Robert pulls out a gun and he says you have five seconds to produce
her or I'm gonna make good on my promise from yesterday and According to Jim that is when he
personally lost it he would later tell reporters and the police that he had a horrible temper and that as soon as
Robert pulled out the gun he quote knew he was going to kill him one way or the other
okay well that's pretty damning that's called malice the fourth one yeah it certainly is so he later elaborated on
the on the temper thing saying I have a horrible temper and it doesn't come up very often but when it does I just go
berserk oh no like that's not good you just talk to someone about maybe we should look at that self-defense thing a
little harder yeah yeah probably am like you literally hurled a man over a 20-foot embankment was that the berserk
you were referencing yeah I would say so yeah self-defense huh so when he later recalled the events uh he said that
Robert flashed the gun got him after Robert Flash the gun excuse me Jim got him in some kind of Judah hold of course
the Judo holds he loves a good Judah hold and the two of them ended up on the ground at one point and started
wrestling now when Jim had the upper hand like when Robert was below him Jim said that he used two Judo chops to
Robert's neck as a way to disarm him um I guess that I've never Wrestled a gun out of anybody's hands before but
like why wouldn't you Judo chop his arm versus anything else yeah like if you Judo chop his arm my thought is like his
hand will kind of raise and like the gun will feel the least like hurt and he might loosen his grip right like I don't
know why you need to Judo chop his throat but you know I wasn't there and I don't know how to Judo chop anything me
neither so yeah once Jim got the gun he got the gun after he Judo chopped him in
the throat and he shot Robert in the head geez he would first say that he shot from about three feet away he said he
was like further across the room um the coroner said no no I disagree sir it was more like three inches away oh
close range that is a big difference no so that's what the coroner said and then
the coroner also said he couldn't determine what had actually killed Robert it could have been the gunshot
wound to the head but it also could have been the fact that when Jim Judo chopped
Robert to the throat he crushed his windpipe oh my God oh I have to take a deep breath just
saying I would go out on a limb and say that was probably going to be the cause of death if the gunshot won't didn't
happen that's the thing exactly damn crushed his wind and it's like that's not disarming someone no that's killing
murdering someone yeah and here's the thing Jim tries to say that this is self-defense no which maybe it started
off though but then you literally just told us as soon as things started you knew you were gonna kill him one way or
yeah right it's not I knew I was gonna incapacitate him or I knew I was going to disarm him right no you said you
wanted to kill him exactly come on it doesn't make any sense to me come on Jim so his trial begins pretty quickly
um interestingly enough I don't know how often this happens I thought that juries
had to be like closer to even between men and women his uh jury was made up of 11 11 women and one man oh wow and it's
crazy yeah isn't that kind of crazy just like an interesting fun fact um so he explains to this jury that his
relationship with Gene was simply platonic and not the murder of Robert Ingram was in fact you guessed it
self-defense of course he did admit he said Yup Gene and I actually did kiss on one occasion
um which just so happened to be the one time where Robert caught us oh yeah that's so coincidental crazy and he said
that's when Robert's jealous Obsession began I would argue that like many people
might become jealous and obsessed with you if you kiss their wives yeah I don't think you should do that yeah I don't
think you should do that no no um but he did tell the jury that Gene was not the
type of girl to enter a love affair so callously oh he said she's not that kind of gal no and Jean was actually called
to testify for the defense and she told them that she and Robert had actually been separated for the last two years
and that at the beginning of that separation or shortly into it they had made the agreement to function as though
they were divorced oh but I'm like well that's you saying that yeah I don't know
he's not here to say whether or not that's the case exactly and he's she according to her Rob Robert didn't take
that separation lightly which doesn't sound like it how could you you know you're that's sad that's a bummer so she
said though that he not only threatened to kill Jim but also he had threatened to kill her on many occasions and any
man that she ever went on to date oh she echoed just that's very possessive she echoed Jim's
same explanation of their relationship she said they were not romantically involved and that their relationship
Elena was more of a spiritual attraction she said there are conversations consisted of philosophy religion nature
yeah we just love to talk about the world man oh for sure that's what I saw honestly I feel like that's like my
Essence but I was gonna say you you love this I do yeah so moving on though Jim's
wife actually stuck by him throughout the trial and also believed that there was like nothing going on between him
and Gene okay and mind you they still have children at this point so this poor woman had to go through a trial that was
basically like is this guy having an affair is that why he murdered this actress's [ __ ] wife and oh they did
smooch once and he's going to admit it in court and you have to sit there and hear it this is bad like that's Bad News
Bears that really sucks so like I give her a lot of credit for sticking by him for sure so on July 3rd 1960 three just
one day before Jim's 41st birthday he was sentenced to uh I don't know why I just thought that I said sentenced wrong
but you did not he was sentenced to spend one to ten years in prison after he was found guilty of voluntary
manslaughter damn it's only one to ten oh just wait and you know I really don't think his comment about making up his
mind that he was going to kill Robert one way or the other didn't you know I don't think it helped the stuff I don't
think that helped at all now even still his lawyer Maurice Harwick immediately filed an appeal saying that Jim hadn't
received a fair trial I don't know on what grounds he was trying to say that he didn't because I just saw this in
newspapers.com that he was like I'm filing an appeal yeah they always try but the honorable Kurtz Kaufman what a
[ __ ] name Kurtz Kaufman Kurtz Kaufman and it's Kurtz with a Z episode oh yeah that's how I saw it in my head better be
he disagreed he was like I don't think so and like your appeal can go [ __ ] itself bye so Jim gets LED away to go to
prison and his wife is standing there crying and she's able to give him a kiss before they take him away and she yells
after him like if you need me to do anything you just call me which is so sad I felt really bad for her I do too
now ultimately Jim did not end up spending that much time in jail because he did appeal his sentence again and
this time he won I don't know on what grounds he appealed in I couldn't figure it out
um but he ended up only spending its sources vary on how long he spend in jail from or how long he spent in jail
excuse me from one to five months oh okay but a matter of literally nothing it's a sneeze it's essentially a matter
of days really when you look at it so Jim stayed quiet for a bit after he got out of prison but then right around 1965
so about three uh two yep three no I don't know a couple years after he got out of jail is kind of right when like
the hippie movement was starting to become a thing like it was really starting to become more mainstream yeah
and he meets this young hippie chick named Dora he's 43 when they meet and she's 19.
um it's legal but Jim you're supposed to be staying out of trouble I don't know if hooking up with a 19 year old is the
best bet for you yeah I'm just gonna stay over here you have a wife and children yep there's that you probably
shouldn't be hanging out with 19 year olds can you imagine if your 43 year old old husband came home one day I was like
I'm not that's not 19 year old hippie I I didn't even say John like I'm just like imagine another alternate yeah
another alternate man I could not she's also from France so she's like cool I'd be like who's this young French girl
that you're hanging out with and I'm gonna stay quiet over here about what I do oh I know
castration I'm just I'm totally kidding so Dora was from France like I said she was fully immersed in the hippie
lifestyle she was doing loads of acid smoking tons of pot experimenting with other drugs that I don't really think
people realize back then would lead to some serious [ __ ] issues yeah and looking back on the time that he met
Dora Jim said he had plenty of money because the restaurants were still doing well but even though he had all that
success and Fortune he was still absolutely miserable he started drinking really heavily and he said by the time
he met her he was an alcoholic who was bored of everything damn but that all changed when he met her he was like oh
this is exciting like I want to hang out with you now it's unclear whether or not he was
separated from his wife at this point in time I don't think they were separated and I
think this might have been a big Tipping Point in their relationship he's so annoying he's the most annoying because
listen I'm all about finding yourself like I'm I feel like I'm kind of finding myself a little bit right now I'm 26 and
I don't have children that's the thing you stop producing children and getting married if you're not sure of yourself
yeah you're like you already abandoned one family and now you're on your way to abandon another and there's children
like you just said involved in any scenarios like I feel like you're always finding yourself in some way right but
like he's doing in such destructive ways and hurting everybody around him and like pulling his family that he's
creating right into these situations and it's like dude [ __ ] off into the desert
and do it by yourself but stop having kids and stop getting married like this guy's so [ __ ] annoying I just want to
like oh he gets increasingly more annoying as The Story Goes On Your scowl is going to turn into a scalp yeah I'm
just like oh like every time you bring it he just brings this 19 year old and is like yeah you're just you're just so
much fun like right [ __ ] off in your fort like you're happy sir you're having a midlife crisis yeah like please leave
you've also literally just got let out of jail for killing the second man that you've killed in your lifetime I think
we should focus on the business yeah you need to like he's consistently having a
midlife crisis and it's really since he was like in his 20s yeah and I'm over it
now same I'm over it and you know who else is over at his damn wife good so Dora and Jim they start spending a lot
of time together and he said he wanted to know more about these flower children and what they were all about shut up and
he certainly starts finding out rather quickly so he starts remember he's an alcoholic at this point and then he
starts smoking pot with Dora and her friends and then he makes his way to acid and then eventually he tries and
gets really really hooked on the speed and back then this is like even a different kind of speed because back
then I'm sure you've heard of it there was a different form of speed speed excuse me that was known on the street
as black beauties yep instead of just the powder that people would inhale nasally most of the time black beauties
were a pill taken orally that would give you the same effects or even deeper effects because the two main ingredients
in a Black Beauty pill are amphetamine and dextroamphetamine both of which are scheduled to Controlled Substances
meaning they are both extremely extremely addictive and habit forming so I guess their effect essentially
creates kind of like a buzz hence the name speed but when they're taken long term they can lead to some serious
psychological side effects like depression anxiety aggressive or violent Behavior which Jim already is displaying
yeah and then I bolded these next couple of them unrealistic ideas of power confidence and strength and in some
cases the psychological effects could also be hallucinations and complete psychosis
so this is just like a recipe for a cult leader it's the recipe for a cult leader
unrealistic ideas of power confidence hallucination hallucinations and eventually complete psychosis
like bake for 20 minutes and let cool on the counter like you know that I don't know if you know it but like you people
you know like the opening scene of The Powerpuff Girls where he's like sprinkling in Sugar and Spice and all
that [ __ ] no but that makes sense they were that's what they do when they make
a cauldron of Colts there you go they sprinkle in unrealistic ideas yeah they're [ __ ] hallucinations
of confidence yeah all of it I literally can't so yeah Jim he was really into black beauties and sadly
like I said he became very addicted and then he starts dipping into the restaurant profits to be able to afford
more and more of this and to make up for the lost money this is wild that there's
not any [ __ ] information on this I don't know if it's true I don't know if it's not true he would later say that to
make up for the money he was dipping into from the restaurants that he robbed between two and 11 Banks
between 2 and 11 it was about two it was kind of like 11. like could have been three could have been eight between like
those are 68 and 412 vastly different numbers my dude what what I mean he was on speed so like I I guess I understand
why you can't record the timeline that's wild I'm also like were there a lot of banks being robbed at this yeah because
there was this reported no no but nothing that I could find okay yeah um he was never caught so I don't know if
it's true or not but he sure talked about it a lot and it's one of the first things in that documentary that you'll
hear either way though the investors in the restaurants were like yeah you need to [ __ ] stop doing this because
um we're not making any money because we can't just keep robbing banks about it if that's even what you're doing so
they're like yeah we're gonna cut you out of all of this like you're done good you're done you're done you're done
and they basically pushed him out of the restaurants to save them good they told
they told him to [ __ ] off into the desert they certainly did so Elaine would uh go on to run the awaren for the
next some odd years she and Jim officially divorced in 1969. good for her she said I'm going into the
70s and you're not invited yeah I'm not bringing you into the 70s with me no no no no no way so yeah he's literally
completely like moved on now just abandons that entire family cool you're the worst yeah like even William Desmond
Taylor only abandoned one family that's a joke so that is a joke in case it was not clear hey Drew you've pressed an
incorrect so in the time between meeting Dora and getting divorced Jim dove headfirst into a life that like I've
said he seemed to be curious about since he was younger Dora introduced him into
the world of yoga and it seems like at some point he kind of got off the hard [ __ ] I'm not sure he definitely still
smoked weed I'm sure he did some acid about it so like I don't know he was doing a little bit better but again he
abandoned another family so how good is he really doing but again he's really getting into the study of different
religions uh-oh you see where we're headed it's like normal people when you want to study that stuff like sure yeah
this guy we're on a path we are on a freaking path and he's getting more and more into
like mysticism like did I say that right yeah good good and he gets the itch he's
like you know what I've been cut out of all of these restaurants so he gets the itch to open another restaurant and this
is the wildest story and this is reported the same in many different sources so I think this happened oh man
for one day he meets this guy on a hike and he's talking to this guy he's like I
got all these great ideas for this new restaurant I want to open I have a ton of experience as a restaurant owner you
might have heard of me like from my other restaurants and he like left out the part where he got cut out of those
deals yeah um and he said I learned a lot over the years about cooking and about the body
and how it breaks down food and I really want to take that wisdom and open up a new restaurant that's going to
incorporate the values of healthy eating wellness and also the secret teachings of Jesus Christ as revealed through the
essence gospel or the scene gospels of peace okay um it's it's a restaurant yeah like I
love a Cool vibe in a restaurant yeah I love lighting um I love when the walls are a cool
color I don't know if you need to think this deeply into it yeah I mean you're you're gonna have a certain clientele
like you're gonna limit your clientele a little bit by like really only focusing on that but yeah but you
know like that's on you man but go off Jim you have not been killing it so far so this does not Shock me that you are
already narrowing down that customer base through right from the jump [Music] I think a lot of times when you're stuck
in this kind of like Loop of frustration you really start to focus on problems and like everything that's going wrong
instead of what you can do to fix it AKA a solution I've been there before I've been like I really hate this person I
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Christ part of it it because that really I don't think that became a huge part of
the restaurant at all well it was a secret yeah yeah you're right so maybe you didn't hear about it maybe it was
like just secret ingredient yeah it's like the secret teachings you don't know about it I don't I don't need to so so
this guy that he's on the hike with just [ __ ] shooting the [ __ ] his name's Ray
Feldman excuse me he's like I think you're the bee's knees I think you're even the cat's pajamas and you know what
I want to invest in your restaurant sounds like a great opportunity he's like I also want to mix chicken
Bolognese with the secret teachings of Jesus Christ don't we all yes my favorite part of the entire exchange
is that this restaurant literally didn't even exist yet and he's like I want to invest in that he's like take my money
like Wow Let's talk about a startup wow so on I don't know if it happened on the
trailer like when they made their way back down but he just hands this man a 35 000 loan oh he this is a cult leader
right this is he's a cult leader already he just got somebody to hand them 35 000 with just the idea of a restaurant
that that mixes food and religion yeah and like might be ideals yeah like what and
just you know I did the conversion 35 000 back then this is like 1969. today that would be like handing somebody 300
000 wow sure that's a lot that's cult leadership that's the thing he was said to be super super charismatic yeah like
to be obviously Charisma I know I said Bob super weird so with that the source was born all right the worst restaurant
so the source had a very I'm sure you're shocked to hear it hippie feel to it what um unlike the restaurants that he'd
opened with his ex-wife The Source was 100 vegetarian apparently the salads were really to die for I did look at the
menu and some of it looks absolutely [ __ ] delicious get out of here they had like a secret sauce too yeah I'm
sure they did I wonder a lot of Secrets up in here like it's so big it's full of
seeds yeah anytime there's too many secrets in a restaurant I don't want to be a part of it like [ __ ] get this
dude this restaurant like he's really good at opening a restaurant I don't know what it like he knows he knows what
makes people tick and it started getting a very notable clientele John Lennon and
Yoko Ono were like obsessed with this place they were frequent flyers makes I'm not shocked at all Goldie Hawn loved
it there Joni Mitchell Marlon Brando Greta gabbo wow all these people are frequenting all right it also was
actually featured in the movie Annie Hall I've never seen that one oh um but Alvey orders at the restaurant
alfalfa sprouts and mashed yeast oh that's weird so the thing is though the celebrities
were not the only people stopping by The Source really ended up being kind of like this hot spot in town for a lot of
like lost younger kids and they're pre and early teens to just hang out okay and Jim was given jobs to the youth the
youths excuse me there's just something about him again like with alcohol eat or
something about him that just felt really comforting to them and by this time he had started dressing
exclusively in like white robes from head to toe you know yeah of course of course he's a
cult leader he's been a co-leader his whole life he very much I've been waiting he was born with a robot and I
was just waiting for it to come out that's the thing a lot of times too he'd wear like kind of like a really long
tunic style top and like loose white pants just you know very cult leader Chic you have to dress the part no but I
the weird thing is like he like you you look like a cult leader sir but I don't think the younger people hanging around
the source really got the impression that this is what he was going to become the what many people say is that he
became like more of a father figure to these kids because they are young and impressionable well and it's good that
he was fathering somebody yeah not his own kid yeah I thought we'll get to that but a lot of these kids I think were
lacking this at home because you have to think this is like the late 60s early 70s I think during that period most dads
weren't super mushy gushy with their kids there was a lot of untreated PTSD going on from the war years lot of
stress because of the general shape of the world at this point and I think it wasn't considered manly to be home and
hanging out with your kids at that time shitty but that's how it kind of was and
this is exactly what you need to start a cult it is people in a vulnerable they're gonna listen they're gonna be
gullible they're going to be looking for love they're going to be looking for attention they're going to be looking
for some kind of comfort it's the perfect Source it is and of course I just want to note that
like I'm generalizing there I'm sure you're a dad from the 70s was [ __ ] awesome I'm sure your dad [ __ ] ruled
in the 70s I mean my grandpa ruled in the 70s it's true so there's that my dad was just like born in the 70s I think so
he was ruling he was ruling but all these pre-teens and teens they start hanging out at the source and Jim is
teaching them all about spiritualism and wellness and he starts teaching yoga classes and the kids are just kind of
not leaving they're getting jobs there and then they're kind of like like moving in sleeping in the apartments
above the restaurant setting up camp outside living in in working at The Source 24 7 with Jim serving as Azadi
wow so around this time again still 1969 Jim meets another young woman and her name is Robin and oh my God she is
absolutely [ __ ] stunning if you see a picture of her like retroactively I want
to be like what the [ __ ] are you doing yeah you have the world at your fingertips get out of here Robin I also
was just thinking when you said the source and you started talking about like pre-teens and everything I was like
what am I thinking of the Boy Meets World episode when John joins the center this sounds exactly like that I think
it's probably basically I was gonna say this it feels like this might be based on it God I need somebody to go through
our episodes and listen how many times we have referenced that one specific episode oh yeah it's an it's iconic I
love that episode I also um off topic I also recently watched the Thanksgiving episode that'll change that's a great
one like the one with like where Sean's family joins Corey's family of course but love the one with the center when Mr
hunter or excuse me well Mr Matthews yes pushes him against the wall in the best
wow and then when I know I was he became a zaddy when Mr Feeney says you can't have Sean and I was like oh
yeah it's it's a lot that's a great episode it is it's a great episode Boys Meets World boys
[Laughter] only Corey singular Boy Meets World honestly it should have been boys though
because it was Corey Shawn and Eric yeah but it's really just it's following Corey yes yes but uh I lost my train it
was just a great show but anyways you're right very very similar to the center so
he meets gorgeous gorgeous Robin and I it's honestly unclear what happens to Dora I don't know if she just kind of
faded off in an acid trip or like what happened but she was gone she got out of here and Jim really sets his eyes on
Robin and he keeps telling her like you gotta come by you gotta take one of my yoga classes because by now again he's
teaching regular night yoga classes at the source once the restaurant's like closed for the day yeah of course so
Robin didn't really seem interested at first and she kept brushing off the invitations and to be fair um Jim really
loves 19 year olds Robin's also 19. Jim needs to go away he needs to go far far away uh she's 19 years old at this point
and she's like why is this like old man trying so hard to take for me to take his yoga class like this is kind of
weird ew get out of there but finally one night she's like you know what let me just go see what this is all about
like I do like the source restaurant I'll like sure I'll take a yoga class like she's into the hippie ideals and
this night was Friday August 8th 1969. a date that might sound familiar to some regarding another cult so Robin blows
off plans with her friend Sharon and heads to the source to see what Jim's yoga classes are all about now she loved
the class she thought it was awesome and the two of them start talking after class and they actually it was like this
sudden like switch like they really start to hit it off again there's just something about Jim people couldn't put
their finger on it but he's got this charm he's got this Charisma he knows how to talk and as she was leaving that
night Robin was like I kind of like I feel like there was like a reason I was supposed to meet Jim and the next
morning that feeling would overwhelm her entire being because the next morning Robin's friend Sharon
that she had canceled plans with that previous night was found murdered in her home wow Sharon Tate
whoa had she gone to Sharon's home that night whoa he would have been killed okay when you said that date that popped
into my head but I wasn't thinking it was going to connect in any way I thought it was going to be like a oh
that happened and it made them like form more into a cult kind of thing like I hadn't wow I I tried to be like she
Bluff plans with her friend Sharon and I could tell I wasn't oh no it was not connecting was not wow so she blew off
plans that night and I didn't realize this in the original I I want to actually redo the Manson episodes I
think I could do them a lot better now yeah that's what we've been doing that with a couple of them just like getting
further into stuff I didn't realize the day that Saturday so you just murdered on a Friday technically a Saturday
because it was like in the early morning hours the next day was supposed to be her baby shower oh I had no idea I
didn't know that either oh that's awful I found out um like when I was researching this part oh that's like
terrible awful but oh so then like she's already thinking I was supposed to meet
Jim and then this happens of course you're gonna line those two events up and be like no I'm I was supposed to
meet him William what a traumatic event that's gonna push you further into looking for meaning somewhere exactly
here's the meeting I was supposed to meet him exactly yeah so everything shifted for Robin in that moment like
you like you you just said losing a friend and coming to terms with the fact that she could have been killed it only
made her lean closer into gym yeah and pretty quickly the two of them started falling in love now Robin later recalled
that she she said I'd never been loved the way that Jim loved me she called him her knight in shining armor she recalled
that he really opened up her mind she said he opened me up to a world that was filled with light and love and
protection and Consciousness okay and from that day forward the two of them became Inseparable and by 1970 they were
married that's what I say about John I was like he just opened me up to a what was it a life I always forget what
detection and Consciousness there it is that's what I said I always forget I always forget what I said I would say
that Drew opened me up to light love protection and Consciousness too actually it sounds great it's beautiful
when it's wonderful yeah and another thing that you should watch the documentary I
don't want to like tell you everything about it but one thing I will mention is um Robin had been really sick in her
childhood she was like a very sickly child and I guess she almost died oh wow and Jim obviously gets her on this like
holistic kind of venture and you know that can sometimes turn things around so she was in like the best health of her
life she felt in that moment so I think that was like another thing that made her lean into him of course no so they
got married and then you know Jim loves religion and Theology and all this stuff
so they start talking about that and meditation and yoga and all of it and around this time Jim really starts
falling in love with the teachings of uh Yogi Bhajan so Yogi had his own following and he taught Kundalini Yoga
okay which was something that Jim would later use in his own teachings Kundalini
I think is just like all about like energy it's like some energy that sits at the base of your spine and the yoga
practice brings it throughout your body I don't know a lot about it that's why you too during Yoga sitting at the base
of your spine It's gotta leave you're not wrong um never mind um but yeah so he he kind of takes that
and brings it into his own teachings later on and actually Robin and Jim went out to meet Yogi as well as many other
prominent spiritual leaders and they finally said to each other after meeting with all these different people
potential cult leaders that they want to start their own religion but they're not
looking at this as like we want to start a cult they're like we want to start our
own beautiful religion yeah I don't know I feel like 100 of the time when you say
that you look at vertical yeah that's just me I I'm gonna say that Jim probably was thinking of it more from a
cult-like perspective I think to Robin she was like a young hippie oh yeah these are like young people that are
being I'm blaming him completely she he was she was abused by him yeah he 100 was looking too formicle absolutely 100
I believe he was the only reason I said that was because I don't think Robin was
no I can definitely get behind that she was just kind of brought in especially in like a traumatic part of her life and
19 years old you're [ __ ] I was a baby wreck you don't know it but you are like
at 19 years old I was making the worst decisions of my life oh like so I was doing things that now I look back on and
I'm like what the [ __ ] were yeah do it like I can see why she followed him into
the dark because like I was following someone into the dark at 19 so I can totally understand that I was a
miserable human at 19. same not not good but him definitely was looking to start
a call when he's like for like Nicole so Robin explained that studying each Religion she and Jim she
said they cherry-picked the best parts of separate religions and they worked them into their own philosophies like
many many equal leaders do exactly to the kids who never left the source Jim became their Earthly spiritual father of
course he did and Robin became known as mother aom I love that yeah Jim uh who later also
became known as father yod or yahuwah said of starting his own religion I realized I had to do it on my own I had
to get my own children because I believed that he was prevailing through me and that's what he wanted me to do I
left never went back Jim you have several children you have I believe three children at least three
that we know of yeah there's probably more what the [ __ ] I had to get my own children yeah you have to get your own
children oh my God [ __ ] off into the sun this guy can get [ __ ] yeah he does ew
you're gonna be so happy no I shouldn't say you're gonna be so happy at the end but like you're gonna be like you're
gonna be like yeah I'll make that sound I'll make sure to do it you should So eventually
140 members of The Source family they become known as the source family yeah move into Jim's home in the Hollywood
Hills I'm not shocked by this this is 140 of them it was a rented home from the Chandler family who were very famous
for owning a ton of newspaper companies and like kind of building and developing
a lot of different areas like the San Fernando Valley and the Hollywood Hills now Harry was the patriarch of that
family but he had died in 1944 and his wife still ran his estate and in 1972 she rented set out to Jim Baker or as we
will now call him father father and he paid a thousand dollars a month which does not sound like a lot if you're
renting a one bedroom somewhere now that is like way more than that but today that thousand dollars would be like
paying seven thousand eighty seven dollars for rent so pretty penny yeah now the home was
massive it was a mansion it had been built in 1914 there were 24 rooms inside there was a guest house outside eight
bedrooms four bathrooms a library a Solarium a huge aquarium so Solarium sounds cool I think all a Solarium is as
a sun room yeah it is yeah it just sounds really cool oh yeah I thought it was somewhere where you looked at the
stars yeah I mean you can because yeah just don't look at the sun yeah don't do that no it also had a huge pool it had a
four-car garage that father used to store beautiful cars uh the main one that he really loved is his baby car was
a white Rolls-Royce wow [ __ ] I'm just putting it out there if your natural holistic only fill my body with
greens and carrot juice and give yourself unto me your Earthly spiritual father who is whipping around a
Rolls-Royce you're in a [ __ ] cult you're in a [ __ ] cult also if you're co-living with 140 members of a
quote-unquote family that you're literally not actually related to in a giant house and all of you co-own all of
your Earthly possessions because you're not supposed to have any of your own but
father can he doesn't subscribe to the co-owning of possessions you are so totally officially occult like I
remember in there was a UFO episode we did where it was like you've been probed you've been culted you are in a cold
you're in a cold that's like it's just the way it is he is making you give up all your possessions but he's whipping
you around in a Rolls Royce yeah and like maybe you think that like you co oh not Rolls-Royce with you whose name's on
the title yeah that's it whose name's on the title that's his roles so the new source family they they didn't yet feel
like this was a cult and they said it was just like a family of like-minded people they had a goal of spreading good
throughout the world and while they were in this first house occult yes well they
were in this first house they started referring to it as the mother house yeah they started talking amongst themselves
while they were spending more and more time at the mother house and this is when they decided that they really
wanted to unite their ties together and they said what better way to become a real family than have the same last name
yeah so they settled on the surname Aquarian because it was the age of Aquarius I was
just gonna say it's the age of Aquarius yes exactly I don't know I tried to look
into like what the age of Aquarius is and um I felt like I was joining her culture I was gonna say it's it's
basically when you know the Manson family happens it's very deep it's very hard to explain it's interesting to look
into but just don't go too far be careful they decided yeah they were going to change their name to Aquarian
and many of them made their their name changes official with the Social Security office like they they made this
official wow and all pretty much all of them changed their own first names to things like orbit electricity Heaven
Harvest Moon and sunflower etc etc I like Harvest Moon I love harvesting that's pretty metal I also love that
song Harvest Moon Aquarian yeah whoa yeah Harvest Moon went through some [ __ ] yeah so father yod set up a list of
Ten Commandments to follow and I got them right here for you also if anybody sets up a list and says these are the
Commandments that you are to follow you're in a cult one obey and live by the teachings of
your Earthly spiritual father because you're an occult number two love your Earthly spiritual father more than
yourself because um this is a cult culty number three harm not one of your body parts either by neglect food drink or
knife that's just that's pretty good A lot for allow each vibration to complete its own cycle without interference
you're an occult I don't even know what that means it's culti number five possess nothing you do not need and
share all you have c-u-l-t colts also I'd be like so who like do I get to deem if I need it or
not because I do be needing my Botox and I do be needing my car and I do be needing a lot of things no you don't
because you're in a culture all you have yeah number six the man and his woman are one let nothing separate them I want
you to listen to that one again number six the man and his woman are one let nothing separate them okay wonderful a
union I love it maybe Jim should subscribe to his own rules I was I was like but well not there but Jim number
seven squander not by creative force and lust but come together only when three vibrations of the physical the mental
and emotional are in harmony with spiritual love you're an occult number eight each morning join your vibration
with the ascending currents of the Universal Life Energy using the keys that your Earthly spiritual father has
taught you because um I don't know if you realize this yeah but like you're you're an occult number nine do Every
Act energetically intelligently truthfully and lovingly that's not humanly possible no number 10 when these
Commandments are mastered leave the house leave the house of your Earthly spiritual father get the [ __ ] out after
this and do the work of your heavenly father oh no okay you're an occult so father also set up a morning routine
that was called spiritual boot camp okay yeah everything seemed like conflicting Notions but not spiritual
let's go I mean I've never done a book well I've done like an exercise boot camp and nothing about it was spiritual
well I I was like actually it's really I haven't done boot camp now everybody in
the family for the spiritual boot camp would wake up at four in the morning and upon waking they were to take a deep
breath ready and then they were to Exhale the word yahuwah father told them that this was
God's name yahuwah and he was the son of God who went by the same name because he
was like equally as good as God oh to do that oh okay and then they were to either say aloud or in their head just
like whatever feels good to you that day you still have like one or two choices left be still and know I am God
but I but I thought the other guy was gone and I thought that you were the son so like why do I have to wake up and say
that I'm God what I just like like be still I like to wake up and say where's the [ __ ] coffee yeah I like to wake
up and text Elena coffee question mark yep so I just wake up to my youngest being like can I go downstairs no she
says now watch stinky and dirty and then not yet and she's like I want to watch take it dirty yeah and you're like oh
good morning sinking dirty is a great show it is now once they were finished with you know their personal moments of
I am God and yahuwah they were ready for the boot camp of it all so they would all file out into the backyard and they
would get into the pool no matter what the temperature was you were to get into the pool because you know you have to
rid your body of all sleep and negativity no I'm out already got bye guys bye once that was finished they had
to do an exercise routine that included pull-ups dips a little Jog and um push-ups on their fingertips
why though like can anybody even do like I was just gonna say is that possible apparently wow the routine was referred
to as star exercise and the whole point was to quote tune yourself into the universal energy currents of the morning
meanwhile the morning universe is like what the [ __ ] are you all doing like the
morning universe is like I'm not doing that and your neighbors are annoyed yeah for me like I love a good coffee I love
a breakfast sandwich and if I'm really feeling one with myself in the universe some morning affirmations there you go
but that's really it so once the star exercises were completed they were to take one six second inhale of uh
marijuana and this practice seconds don't you feel like that's long I I know everyone always yells at me because I
like know nothing about drugs like I'm the worst drug person ever but yeah like I don't that feels like a lot right I
smoke a lot of weed and can you count yeah no yeah I haven't even gone to six yet that's a long inhale as far as I'm
concerned whenever I've talked about like smoking weed on the podcast before people are like you don't even know
anything that has to do with anything so maybe this is a very normal inhale but it feels real long it feels long to me I
also had childhood asthma and I'm a little overweight so like leave me alone but this practice and that the stoner
people will love this I thought this was really funny this practice was referred
to as the sacred breath which like agreed for the last part everybody actually seemed really happy at the mother house
like they were happy to do star exercise they were real stoked about the sacred breath yeah sure I mean people said
though like you wake up and you do that crazy routine and then you take this wild in my opinion inhale of weed there
was one guy in the documentary that was like you don't understand like when you're in that frame of mind and then
you get like high like right after that you feel like you're tripping balls oh I'm sure he was like I felt like I was
on LSD I didn't feel like I was high from like weed because it's like a mixture of just like adrenaline and like
all the dopamine and the all the things yeah and then you're like your body's trying to like chill out from yeah but
it's it can't it's all different things so you just start tripping and then you go right into like morning meditation
and like some crazy [ __ ] and like chanting and like all the wild stuff so it's a lot but everybody seemed happy at
the mother house for the most part but there were some run-ins with the police from time to time because a lot
of underage girls were on that property and a lot of them had fathers and mothers that were like hey I think
they're with the source family and like we're not too cool with them yeah so the police were like yeah you're
gonna be in some serious hot water if this keeps happening Like You Gotta Get You Gotta send these girls home yeah
they you can't you can do what you want but you can't do what you want unless they're 18 with underage children
precisely totally fine guys father has a solution it's not to tell them all that they need
to go home however he just married off all the underage girls to older boys in the community so it's legal because
they're married he is so gross he's [ __ ] [ __ ] fast he's disgusting crisis averted though am I right yeah
totally so when this thing happened a couple of or I don't know how many in general but like some of the family
members were concerned that this might be a catalyst to more power moves in the future this might be a cult so guys I
think that's when people started like kind of realizing but it wasn't a big Awakening I think it was just like some
people left but it was like not a very big amount so those people they were on to something because sure
enough there were more power moves to be made uh what is it what is it why is it
one of the first things that a cult leader does when he starts to realize all the power he has especially over the
women connected to him what does he do he says plural marriage rules of course always plural marriage it's just the
first thing always always get a new playbook honestly honestly try something new father goes to Robin or mother one
day and he says to her you know I'm thinking of taking more wives and she's like hey what about commandment number
six where like the woman in his uh the woman and her husband are one and you should do nothing to come in between
that and he was like yeah yeah I don't care I don't count I'm seriously spiritual of course of course so she
said he's sitting there talking to her about this and her blood is boiling because she's like I didn't sign up for
this like well that's the problem it's like if you guys went into this relationship and you were like we are
going to have multiple whatever it is that you want to do like that's fine you just have to be as long
as you are both consenting to it and are having our adults and yeah everything is
on the up and up on that situation whatever do what you want to do nobody gives [ __ ] I mean I don't and but it's
like when you enter into a marriage and then like years into it you're like oh I
think I'm gonna marry a few more gals it's like no I didn't enter into this and if I if she's not cool with it and
she's not that's not cool man then bye because she's her whole thing she was like those were not the vows we took no
we took those to for each other yeah and so she said he's like sitting there explaining that she's getting pissed and
he's like what do you think and she tells him I think you're a dirty old man on a lust trip that's what I think Robin
she literally said that but she's absolutely crushed and she feels cheated and lied to and she goes through this
like really terrible period where she's just in front of everybody like crumbling you know like it's awful and
she's trying to figure out if she should leave but she's also like I don't know where I'm gonna go how am I going to
explain this to my family can I even divorce him like yeah I love him I love the people here it's awful
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goes on to take 13 wives in total my God 13 wives in total and when that started
happening there was like another shift and some more people left the family because they were like what about
Commandments yeah like what the [ __ ] dude so and it's like that is the Hallmark of occult the Hallmark the
Hallmark is like suddenly no no we haven't got to the full homework yet that's like that's like the hall and
then the Mark is because this this is the thing I'm so I'm like so hyped that I'm stuttering it would have been one
thing if he was pairing up with women of age oh God and deciding to make them his
second third fourth and 13th wife he's taking on underage girls yeah and one of them in the documentary she
said when she was asked to become his wife she was only just about to turn 17. oh my God you're a 16 year old and this
man's like 50 at this point or like in his late 40s that's not okay no that's not okay nope so people were like yeah
like you're bringing underage girls and marrying them like we're out ew but there were still people that stuck
around of course so and then father he starts taking his wives out he parades them around town they're dressed in any
picture you see of them they're all dressed like very glamorous hippies like it was very Hollywood yeah and they're
just out spreading the good word you know but really things were not going so well at the mother house as we couldn't
very much tell now and also because this was the time that all the Manson family trials were going
on and obviously we know how public that was and how [ __ ] crazy it got yeah so
the public gets very very nervous about cult activity in general and most of the
neighbors close by to the source family mother house were like yeah I don't really want 140 cult members living So
Close by because like I do feel like I might get murdered about that yeah so they start calling the landlord of the
home and urging her to get them out of there so when the lease is up at the mother house father was told that the
property was actually being sold and they were not going to be able to renew the lease like you gotta get out of here
yeah I also wonder if she said anything to him like I also don't remember you adding 139 other people's names
talked about but now instead of finding another Mansion to live in because remember the
source Family Restaurant still exists and is doing very well by all accounts like he has money that's so what he's
driving around with [ __ ] Rolls-Royce I'm looking at pictures of this while you're talking isn't it crazy it's wild
so the sword the source family had to move into a much smaller home at this point this home had three bedrooms and
three bathrooms which would have been great for like a small family but not very ideal for the large Source family
they moved into this house in 1973 only three years were spent in the original mother house and that's how much had
changed oh wow so this house was named the father house and I just feel like I don't know if I'm just in a place of
deep and like reflection but isn't it so interesting how it started off with the
mother house and we had some people had this pure idea going into it of how beautiful this was going to be and then
slowly it starts to fade out and they get they can't stay at the mother house and the next place is the father their
house the father house so when you that's the thing and like you think about the first house being named the
mother house you think of who Robin is yeah and it makes sense that things started off beautifully and then we move
on to the father house and let me tell you it was a steady [ __ ] decline once they got into the father house
in the father house the family started doing jam band sessions and father would sing you could call it that
um and the boy the band would I played some of it yeah you did it's a lot you are correct the band would play this
like really far out psychedelic music personally I love the music of it the the singing not so much
um today their records they're recording excuse me actually are like really heavily sought after by like collectors
and they're really hard to come by I guess yeah I like really want one like I just want to have that I just want it I
want it so the the band would started like traveling together and of course father is the front man and they're
going to different high schools and colleges to play their music which is a very pointed exercise I was gonna say of
course you're trying to spread the message to young people to join the family and father he would do these
performances and you know he's singing on stage and then like you know like the singer talks to you in the middle of it
yeah he'd go into these spiels and he'd be like come join us saw the morning meditation find out what the source
family is all about Youth Of America no thank you it was wild no thank you so he's like bringing all these people in
and all in all they actually ended up recording over 65 albums and I don't know if it was the music or perhaps some
drug use that led to what happened next I'm sure it maybe was a combination of the two but around this time father got
really into sex Magic you did hear that correctly Sex Magic blood sugar Sex Magic that's a Red Hot
Chili Peppers album correct there you go uh you had to participate though in the
sex magic ceremonies that were being held no thank you it was not uh what's the thing of all it was not a voluntary
yeah it was mandatory you had to go and the goal like you had like you had to go
because the goal was to bring everybody's Consciousness to a higher level and to quote unquote bond together
on a molecular level no thank you like there's some people that I just don't want to be bonded to molecularly the
whole there's a list of people that I don't want to be bonded to in any way oh yeah of people and I don't want to be
added to molecularly they believed that after these Sex Magic sessions the energy that you created
during the ceremony would lead you to possessing some kind of magic afterward that you could then use in the world to
probably like cultify things even more we could just do spin class together and create a lot of energy it started
morning meditation yeah was it wild morning meditation for sure sure but like just leave it there yeah just gather
yeah Vibe don't make people do Sex Magic if they don't want to yeah if you want to do sex
magic that's great by all means but like don't make underage girls participate no
don't make anyone participate in any kind of sexual magic called abuse yeah and actually it's sexual abuse so people
oh excuse me I skipped a line at this point people really started to believe that father was God he was not the Son
of God anymore he was God himself okay so people had left in the past right like I said this was when there was a
big exit of members from the family because they were like I don't want to do this I don't want to do this
alongside children I'm good like this was not what I signed up for not at all so they left but again still plenty of
people that stuck around those who did stick around did not realize that they were nearing the end
of this journey with Father the end of this Earthly spiritual journey oh boy so he's going out into town like I said
more often in his Rolls-Royce and with a whole slew on both arms of women all around him this just like he's he's
going out into public being like hi I'm a [ __ ] cult leader yeah he's like I have this gaggle of women yeah and the
whispers about the family become louder and the gossip about them is spreading pretty much all around California and
probably Arizona too and there were also still parents looking for their children
who had joined the source family and there were so many other illegal things going on that the city was worried about
yeah it wasn't long before the police came knocking again they were investigating kind of on the low they
were I think they were trying to build a case to prove that this was not okay yeah and they were trying to prove that
the family was harboring runaway juveniles they were violating labor laws they were keeping a place where miners
were sheltered without a license like that's all illegal and eventually Child Services got involved and started their
own investigation because they're having children with his family now and they don't believe in modern medicine
yeah they were also building inspectors that started coming out and ensuring not
like the living conditions were up to code so father sees what's going on here oh yeah
it's it's closing in yeah and for obvious reasons he's not a fan of the sudden interest in his family no and he
starts talking about what all cult leaders talk about when they get desperate say it with me
Armageddon I was gonna say the end of the world so we're close that's the next word the end of times nuclear Wars
between nations it's all coming oh it's all coming it's just all the things that
nightmares are made of and he decides abruptly we're selling the restaurant we gotta get out of here oh no so the
restaurant like I said it was doing incredibly well just to tell you how well it was doing it was bringing in a
reported three hundred thousand dollars a year back then wow I think I forgot to
do the conversion that's okay it's a lot yeah math but he decides to sell the restaurant and he says we're moving to
Hawaii oh yes my birthday I was gonna say I really was born there so they used the money that they got to sell the
source to fund their trip to also buy a large boat essentially it was like a really big
but it was big and they also got um an airplane because the plan was to live off the land in
Kauai and make their living as Fisher people and the airplane was so that they could spot the fish oh yeah I don't know
if like every beginning Fisher people I don't think that's how that's done but okay also they wanted to open a spa okay
yeah obviously yep yep so the only problem is that once they got there uh everyone on the island was like get the
[ __ ] out of here we don't want that they were like do not disrupt our our existence up here at this point there
were already other kind of like cult-like things than people settling on the island that they didn't want there
like um Taylor camp Oh had moved in on that island before and they were like yeah we're done with this like We're Not
Gonna Keep we've had our fill of Cults we don't need anymore yeah we're set they were just not into it and nobody
would hire anybody on the source family at all they weren't able to get jobs and
the locals were especially worried that this manson-like family had just settled
on their eyelids yeah so members of the family they said later on that people started shooting toward the home that
they had set up and police were intimidating them like tailing them wherever they went basically they were
trying to chase them off yeah of course but it's like there's kids in there exactly yeah you gotta think of that so
father was incredibly stressed about this whole thing and he tried to defend the family by stationing men at
different points throughout the camp but there were men that had never shot guns
yeah they're like I don't know how to do this like what are you talking about it
all becomes way too much so one day during morning meditation there was a bowl passed around of
beautiful magic mushrooms and everybody is on shrooms and they decide to go for a nature walk oh no and on this walk
father says to them I gotta tell you something I'm not God I don't have any power
and I don't know what the [ __ ] we're gonna do he told them that their entire belief system that he
has sold them for years is complete [ __ ] while they were all tripping balls on mushrooms but they were like no
you are the Earthly father and he's like nah you gotta listen to me I'm not I don't know what's happening I'll show
you my social security card it does not say God I am not God I'm literally a man
named Jim Jim Baker I'm Jim just gym like not even Jim from the office just gym I'm not Jim Halpert I am Jim just
Jim if your name is Jim sorry that we just like did that no it was a wonderful name the name James I mean come on yeah
so he they're like no yahuwah father you are God absolutely and shortly after that day there was
another regularly scheduled morning meditation this day was August 25th 1975 it had only been about six years of this
cult and father said to the family I feel like going flying today and they said what what he really was
that he wanted to try hang gliding but that was something that he had never done before and all of his wives were
like uh I would prefer if you didn't try to learn how to fly in the state that you're currently in maybe we could take
a couple lessons first yeah and one of the main wives at this point I think she was kind of like the head wife was
makushla and she was wearing black that morning and she said she never wore black she usually always wore white and
when she came down for morning meditation father told her that she was dressed appropriately and she and
there's a recording of this morning meditation it's actually so haunting the documentary hyping up docs hyping it up
hyping it up um and she so after she so he says to her like oh you're dressed so
appropriately and she screams in response and you can hear her scream and she said I don't know why I did that it
was just there's this certain energy in the air and it was like off and my old that was like a release
okay so she was like I don't know something didn't feel right but we had we wanted to do as father said we still
thought he was let the Earthly spiritual father and if he wants to climb up a mountain and hang glide off of it then
so be it yeah now looking back everybody agreed that it was incredibly windy that
day the weather just seemed to be perfect for hang gliding I think you need wind for that but there was still
like this weird energy in the air and as they climbed the mountain they passed this woman who's like on a hike
she's just living her life and father speaks in Latin to her and in English the translation was we who are about to
die today salute you oh so they make it to the top of the mountain and there's this huge gust of
wind just as father gets launched off the side of the cliff but as soon as that wind came it [ __ ]
went oh and he just ended up falling like I don't even know how many like many many many many many many feet
crashed on the ground below oof so everybody makes their way down to him he's still alive he did not die on
impact oh and they're like what can we like what do we do and he just keeps telling them and like there is
recordings of this because I forget her name if you watch the documentary you'll
know it but there was this one woman who was like the journalist of the or not like she she took all the pictures and
like all the videos of everything like there's like a home birth even but just be warned you will see the entire thing
so if you don't want to see that the sexual word but he keeps telling them transmute the
pain transmute the pain transmute the pain like make it like move the shift the energy bring my Kundalini back to
normal yeah so at one point someone says like I think we don't really have another option like we should go to the
hospital yeah because we don't know how to actually transmute plane like no you just fell from the sky sir you also
literally told us that you're not God so like I don't know what I'm supposed to do if you're not God because I'm simply
makushla like yeah I do not know but then so somebody was like I think we should go to the hospital but like I
said hospitals in modern medicine were against their belief system in fact I think one of the reason one of the main
reasons why CPS had shown up was because a member had left in the past because his young son like he was like a toddler
almost died of an ear infection because they were trying to like shine all these
little different colored lights on him and stuff but you need antibiotics yeah an infection will kill you it certainly
just like the way it is they wouldn't get medicine so that his dad was like we're out so they were like no we can't
go to the hospital they decide against the hospital visit and they all carry fell out of the sky straight up fell out
of the sky and they're like no so they all carry father back to the house and he it's unclear Some some sources say he
like survived for like a couple more days others say only hours I saw five days and then I saw nine hours
he ends up dying and some sources say that he had no broken bones no fractures no nothing he just died others say that
he broke his back that day which I'm gonna go ahead and believe those ones yeah his body simply couldn't handle the
amount of pain he was in and he died and I'm sure and at least in my opinion and
I think you would probably share the same belief he probably had some internal bleeding after falling back far
and that hard and if he did have something that an infection can happen yeah you don't get it treated yeah
exactly so he he passes away and shortly after father passes there was this really strange phenomenon which this
happened and it is kind of crazy a new star like a Nova appeared in the sky over Hawaii it's like literally reported
on I found a newspaper article about it and the members of the family took this as a sign that father in his energy had
simply shifted into that star you can believe what you want I can tell you what I believe
a star a star was born in that uh he's an [ __ ] who he's a murderer he's like yeah he's gross he and he did not turn
into that wonderful star over Hawaii that did not happen yeah I don't really want to believe that uh Jim Baker is
shining over my plan so you don't have to worry about it yeah because he's not no I can tell you it was 100 certainty
I'm here to break the news breaking news nope it was just a star not him a star was not born no or it was
it wasn't Jim so that happened and that that just like solid like you imagine that happening in your insult and you
think all this is real so his body was later cremated his body was later cremated and his
ashes were spread along a beach in Hawaii it literally says a beach I'm more hoping the water yeah I hope it's
not actually do not just like throw that in the sand but like okay but cool now the family went on to stay together for
for about two more years and makushla was like the head of the family for a while but it slowly started to fade
apart yeah and some people actually went on to keep their Aquarian names and lived off the grid like there was people
at the end of the documentary that were like I still fully believe in his teachings I practiced them to this day
and you know all the power to them as long as you're not involving underage children
um other people just moved on completely there was one guy that ended up like founding some corporation that made him
a millionaire all right wild but you know that's the source family wow and at the end of it one thing is for sure Jim
Baker was one wild [ __ ] cult lead yeah like call it like you see it that's a cult he was a cult oh yes
[ __ ] crazy that was a wild ride a wild ride indeed that ended with a star being born isn't that crazy and I think
I had said it before to put it in your back pocket he had broken his back previously yeah so isn't that kind of
crazy that that's how he died yeah he was like I was done with Judo and like after that match but then he ends up
going on and killing a man and he's like with Judo wow maybe that I don't know maybe I don't know you know you believed
in karma Jim I know that's is that kind of weird is that kind of weird what am I
supposed what sound was I supposed to make ah or something like that people are yelling at you yeah they are and I'm
sorry about it I think it was like I think it was like oh yeah cuckoo nuts bananas wow yeah we hadn't
done a cult in a while so I figured I'd bring you a gnarly one you know what your friend was 100
um right when she said that you probably would have joined this film yeah it's true I would have left when things got
weird in the beginning like I would have left like probably really early on but you would have been there I do love a
yummy salad and I do love oh like natural holistic ideals and meditation and stuff like that so you love a hippie
moment I just I do but I also don't want to share my possessions no like that would be 100 I think that would be when
you dip yeah I'd be like you can get fun yeah this is mine don't touch it it's mine I'm an only child kind of so people
are like what I know that just threw everybody is she your sister you're an only child
how sure that's fine we hope you keep listening and we help you keep it don't Cult Don't cult
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It’s been a little while since we brought you a cult story so here we go!!!! Ash was chatting with her friend about The Source family and after diving deeper into it she just had to bring it to all you weirdos! The Source family was established in 1969 by a man named Jim Baker. He had this idea for a hip new restaurant that would bring new age ideas and organic, whole foods all together. It was a great idea in theory, but over time the whole thing would turn on its head. A cult was born and all kinds of wild things were going on, but what would be the most wild was the unexpected end of the cults ~Earthly Spiritual Father~ Jim Baker.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Source Family cult, led by Jim Baker, exploring its formation, dynamics, and eventual decline after his death.

Key points

Reality TV Drama. Ash shares her frustration with the bullying on reality shows, especially towards Sutton.
Supportive Community. Elena expresses her love for their audience and the positive community they've built.
America's Strongest Boy. At 12, Jim was named America's strongest boy, showcasing his early athleticism.
A Dark Turn: The Fight. A fight with his neighbor leads to Jim's first encounter with violence and death.
The Trial of Jim Baker. Jim's trial reveals his tumultuous relationship and the events leading to the murder.
Jim's Downward Spiral. After prison, Jim dives into drugs and a new relationship, abandoning his family.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

You guys are honestly we have a great community.

Elena expresses gratitude towards their audience.

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