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[Music] father is pleading to keep the unsolved murder of his daughter and daughter-in-law in the Limelight news
specialist Mike Anderson talked with him about his concerns the case could get lost in the shadow of Gabby potito's
disappearance Shan Paul schy says it's hard not to consider the kind of attention that Gabby potito's case got
when compared with that of his daughter kylin schy and Kristof Turner and he's asking people to remember that their
killer is still out there for the past 3 weeks sha Paul schy has been right here
there's a spot where I would sit and wait for the girls uh they'd come around the corner
on the Harley and come rolling up a Sentimental spot at Swan city park where he's maintained a booth for collecting
tips from the community these Clues are time sensitive and now so much time is gone by and while potito's case grabbed
so much more attention he doesn't begrudge it he just believes other cases like his daughters need that same Focus
I know what it's like to have someone missing and I know what it's like to not have closure yet so I really feel
for Gabby's family and hard as it may be several weeks later he's asking people who passed through the Moab area between
August 13th through 18th to consider what they might have seen in the area near Lal Loop Road where the two women
were shot and killed if anybody saw anything there a vehicle a description of a person uh a person with a dog um a
weirdo with a gun whatever it is schy says dozens of people have brought him Clues and through his time here in town
he's seen how much kylin and Crystal were loved the town cherished those girls and the grand Kenny Sheriff's
Office says they continue to follow leads in this case and they've even called on additional labs and
technicians to go over the troves of potential evidence and they say they could still take months to
complete sha Paul schy was the anxious parent you heard in the clip from KSL News there
his daughter kylin age 24 had been out of touch for days this was totally unlike her but Shawn Paul lived in
Montana his daughter was missing in Utah hardly a hop skip in a jump away when Shawn got worried he started calling
people who knew kylin hoping to round some people up to get some help going to find his daughter both kylin and her
wife Crystal were no call no shows at work 2 days in a row now which was unheard of from the young women when
there was no trace of the women Shawn Paul reported his daughter and Crystal missing to Moab police on the 16th of
August the following day August 17th 2021 the father of kylin schy posted a panicked message on Facebook that read
kylin and Crystal are missing they must be in the silver KIA van because the black van and Harley are at McDonald's
please help look for my girls or their Kia haven't been to work haven't called not in hospital not in Moab jail Polie
have an ATL out little did the Frantic father know that by the time he posted this message it was far far too late so
we have this situation here Captain where on the 16th of August he reports that his daughter and her wife are
missing the following day is the 17th of August 2021 when he posts that frantic message to his Facebook now on this same
day we're going to have him reaching out to persons that he knows in the area that know both of the girls to help him
kind of keep an eye on things from afar and maybe somebody can find one or both of the girls who have been missing for
some time now but unfortunately unfortunately what we would end up learning later is that a
double murder had taken the life of his daughter and her partner this really began one of the most bizarre crimes in
recent memory in the peaceful area of Moab Utah so on August 17th we have Shawn who speaks with speaks via phone
with Cindy Sue Hunter to check in Cindy was kylin's boss and also a longtime friend of both kylin and her wife
Crystal Shawn Paul knew her as well Cindy was a longtime family friend Shawn Paul schy was begging people in Utah to
help find his girls Shawn Paul told Cindy that no one that he had talked to had seen kylin or Crystal in maybe up to
3 days and C had some more bad news for him kylin had not shown up for work the day before on the 16th she assured him
that she would personally go looking for the women and get back to him with some
answers very soon so on August 18th Cindy goes over to the McDonald's where Crystal worked this is might be a little
confusing but it's all quite simple actually Cindy is the boss for for kylin she works at a business that is very
near this McDonald's where Crystal worked and she knows both of the girls obviously and so she goes over to the
McDonald she's asking has Crystal been in since the last time we spoke the coworker of
Crystal tells Cindy no Crystal had not been to work that day the day before or in several days of course this is all a
very bad sign not what Cindy was hoping to hear you know you know these girls are missing you're hoping that it's
something simple you show up to the work and boom somebody says crystal is here or was here since you last been here and
just to put some perspective here kylin was 24 at the time and Crystal was 38 at
this time and this is really bad news for Cindy because Crystal just didn't blow off work as a rule and remember
Crystal's wife kylin worked for Cindy and kylin didn't just blow off work as well so these are neither of them had
shown up for their shifts over the past few days and neither had called their employees for time off or for an excused
absence there's no communication with either of the missing ladies and we know when someone goes missing there are
unfortunately these natural progressions of things right at first you think oh this is simply a misund understanding we
just can't get in touch with that person especially when you're talking about an
adult or in this case two adults and two adults that are pretty free-spirited people with that but that's why they
ages to me are important because if a two 18-year-olds blew off work and maybe went you know on a vacation spree or
something that that would make more sense but somebody that's 24 and somebody that's 38 is less likely to
just leave their job and and leave their security just to go you know missing yeah and then you hear everyone saying
that they're free-spirited ladies well free-spirited are not these neither of them neither of these people miss work
and that's one thing that we're told time and time again about each so the concern level is high of course yes it's
Threat Level Midnight Cindy is trying to figure out what's going on so she goes out to the parking lot and notes the
Ford eoline van and the Harley motorcycle that we've that we already referenced from his Facebook post the
father's Facebook post but the Ford Econoline van and the Harley motorcycle that belonged to Crystal and kyin were
parked at the McDonald's parking lot right but only one of the ladies works at McDonald's correct right so so we
have they have more than one vehicle they have this van they have the motorcycle and they have another vehicle
they have a Kia so but it's pretty strange that two of the vehicles that they own are parked at one of their
Works no actually this was not unusual at all the couple often left one or more of the vehicles in that's a public lot
over there right and so they would Comm they would commonly leave one or more of
their vehicles in that public lot while they used another mode of transportation
so that's why the father's saying well they must be in their Kia right because these two the Harley and the Econoline
van are both parked at the McDonald and in fact at times during the year they would live out of the larger van
sometimes in these public Lots so while it's not so concerning because this is typical Behavior but you know that
people are looking for them and when locating their vehicles and just seeing them sitting there sitting there for
days you're hoping you're hoping to find vehicles or any kind of lead to lead you
to the people that are missing and these vehicles sitting there is of no help to
to to finding either girl well like you said they live out of the conol line but
is that their travel vehicle that I don't know we have two people using three vehicles total they they're living
out of these Vans at times of the year you kind of picture like a nomadic lifestyle right but they they've both
worked at these jobs for a considerable amount of time right now so Cindy still looking for the ladies she packed up
some water snacks supplies and her three dogs she gets into her car she drives out to L which is a large mountain range
that is a very popular hiking and camping destination this is just outside of Moab Shawn Paul told Cindy his friend
Cindy that the police had carried out some cursory researches of the mainstream campgrounds in Lal but he
knew that his daughter and her wife that they were known to camp in locations that were more off of the beaten path
right so we need somebody to check these other locations that they might be camping at and Cindy told the times
Independent Newspaper quote we had no idea where they were camped we didn't know where to look and Cindy was worried
that maybe the women had been in some type of accident driven off the road and were stuck somewhere but needed help she
had packed digging tools and blankets in her car just in case that scenario is one that she found them to be in she
basically started driving around to some lesser known campsites or places where people might Camp glancing at Ravines
and ditches as she did in in case there were you know they were in a wreck somewhere well not only that but I mean
there's there's hiking grounds there's there's places that like you said people go to camp and it could be they don't
want to be missing they're not on vacation that they maybe they went somewhere to camp but they got into an
accident or like you said a car accident or they went hiking and there was an accident
when they were hiking and Cindy's saying hey while I'm out there I'm showing pictures of the women to everyone that I
encounter but that's not a whole lot of people eventually heading toward the sand Flats Road at Lake Warner still
looking for the girls this is where she says that she saw a flash of silver through the
trees she saw a campsite down a little dirt side road and so she decided deed to park there she gets out and she
recognized one of the vehicles shared by the women this was the Silver Kia mentioned in the Facebook post but there
are no signs of life other than the pet rabbit named Ruth that Crystal and kylin
took with them everywhere so the rabbit Ruth is still in her cage there's a tent
set up but it appeared to be empty there's a makeshift rabbit shelter that was still in place so this would have
been like some type of setup so that the they could let the rabbit out you know so she could be out of her cage but not
run away right um Cindy pulled out her phone she calls the Grand County Sheriff's Office this is at 11:20 a.m.
this is after she told them that she had found the missing vehicle and they pinned her location so that they could
dispatch office to that location yeah but this is becoming pretty scary and serious we we have two missing females
but all their vehicles are accounted for now and their pet right as well that they it's said that they never left this
pet alone so the officers are now in route to that location Cindy's going to call
sha Paul to let him know that she found the Kia the missing vehicle with Shawn Paul still on the phone she's walking
around as one does you know both the captain and I are known to Pace quite a bit when we can be on on the phone
especially when there's a lot going on and she is walking around this campsite as she's talking to Shawn Paul on the
phone bringing him up to speed on everything that she has just found and letting him know that the authorities
are on their way out to this campsite I found their campsite I found their vehicle during this conversation
unfortunately she sees something lying on the ground in the ditch which is next to the campsite this catches her eye and
it was it was kylin she was laying in a waterfill ditch nuded from the waist down riddled with bullet holes and
clearly dead her arms and legs were in a awkward position and awkward angles Cindy shrieked to Shawn Paul that that
kin wasad dead Shawn Paul to his credit was like get back in your car roll up your windows now lock the doors now get
out of there you need to get out of there Cindy told the later told the times independent that she got in her
car and locked the doors and waited for the cops to arrive so we have these two missing ladies but who are they who are
who is kin and who is Crystal yes before we get too far into the the case and the
investigation itself to to understand this story we need a little bit of background right so let's give some
background here on crystal Michelle Turner and kylin Carol schy the women had met while kylin was on a hike with
her father Shawn Paul he later said that at the time kylin was depressed she had
had a number of abusive relationships and was quote shut down and even contemp pled suicide then she meets her soulmate
Crystal and so everything changed for her and he says she told me that moving to Moab saved her life according to her
father the women were truly Kindred Spirits they both they both espoused a life devoid of material things and
avoided being tied down to one place for this reason they didn't have a home base
preferring what is known as the van life my migrating from campground to Campground living out of tents or their
Econoline converted to camper van and generally living off the grid in Moab and its surrounding areas they shared
photos on Instagram with # van lifee and Ashwi lifee they enjoyed flying around on their Harley and hanging out with a
close group of artsy and similarly minded friends but mostly they enjoyed being together just the two of them so
much so that they married in a treehouse in Hot Springs Arkansas this is Crystal's Hometown they got married in
April of 2021 kayn's family hailed from Billings Montana but her father spent some time
in Moab which is how she came to meet Crystal and as you pointed out Captain kin was only
24 when she was killed but Crystal was 38 and she had lived quite a bit before settling down with kylin she had three
children of whom she lost custody due to addiction issues she had struggled with
substance abuse for years but she seemed to have pulled herself together this thanks to the love and support of her
relationship with kylin both kylin's and Crystal's parents had seen their share of tragedy um we have a situation where
sadly one of the parents had lost several children before these horrific murders took place once the two became a
couple both Crystal and kylin seemed really happy and devoted to one another Crystal worked at the Moab McDonald's as
we already said and kylin worked at the moonflower Community Co-op where she had
been a cashier for 4 years there was no one who wished ill will upon the women who were just living their lives
together in peace and harmony with nature when they were gunned down well like you were saying so they they're
living it's not really a nomadic lifestyle because they're they do have a home base essentially is their van and
they have a home base as far as the town goes and one or one of the ladies has a
job for 4 years so we have some Roots there when the Grand County deputies arrived at the location where Cindy
awaited them they saw kylin and then unfortunately they quickly found Crystal's body as well Crystal lie in
the same condition as kylin details of where exactly Crystal lay in relation to kylin have not been released all we know
is that she was nearby they had both been shot they let Cindy go after determining that she was not a suspect
they asked her to take Ruth home the rabbit and later she said that Ruth drank four containers of water and ate
an entire Bowl of greens and innumerable carrots so this suggesting that the rabbit who was found in a cage likely
had not been cared for in quite some time yeah possibly or I I don't know how feeding rabbits work but like with Frank
you can give him treats and just keep giving him treats and he's going to keep eating as long as you keep giving him
treats a news release on the Grand County Sheriff's Office Facebook page on August 19th 2021 stated the following on
August 18th 2021 the Grand County Sheriff's Office was notified of two deceased females located in the South
Mesa area of laau Loop Road in Grand County Utah the two deceased individuals were transported to the medical
examiner's office to determine the cause of death the preliminary investigation conducted by the medical examiners
office determined the cause of death to be from gunshot wounds investigators with the Grand County Sheriff's Office
were able to determine the identities of the two deceased females as follows Crystal Michelle Turner age 38 kayn
Carol schy age 24 the immediate families of the victims have been notified of their passing the Grand County Sheriff's
Office would like to express our deepest sympathies and remorse to the victim's family Ames and friends at this time the
Grand County Sheriff's Office is conducting an ongoing homicide investigation we are currently following
up with any and all leads that come to our attention during this investigation and will continue to be available to
people who come forward with information the Grand County Sheriff's Office believes there is no current danger to
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sheriff did not disclose right away the details cheers you got cheers okay now now you
can go that's the order I say we're back and then you cheers I don't know why you're looking at me funny cheers notice
that the sheriff did not disclose right away the details of the killings that each woman was shot multiple times we
now know more the wounds were located on the backs sides and or chest of the victims This was later stated in a a
warrant but it was immediately clear based on this release that the women had been shot by someone else this was not a
murder suicide at this time the Grand County Sheriff's Office is conducting an ongoing homicide investigation were
their words we now know that that this was because no gun was found at the scene so immediately no gun we know that
there has to be somebody out there with that gun somewhere per KUTV Sheriff Steven White said it does not appear to
be a murder suicide and investigators believe someone else killed the women and fled the area we do think it was an
outside party there has not been any Firearms recovered from that area at this time but the perplexing part of the
release is the Grand County Sheriff's Office believes there is no current danger to
the public in the Grand County area really no danger to the public what is this about exp expounding on that per
WTKR Grand County Sheriff's Office Captain Shan hackwell said the evidence that we've gathered at this time that's
what it's led us to believe was an isolated incident right an isolated incident how on Earth could they know
that we don't know what they found at the scene or what the scene told them yeah this never makes sense to me we
have two girls murdered in a park I mean this happened in Deli two girls murdered
in a park and we are not worried about the public safety it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me yeah this is very
similar situation they're killed at a campsite and then we have you know there's a case out of Rocky River from a
couple years ago double homicide at a park in the middle of the day broad daylight no public no threat to the
general public that we saw that in the barry and honey Sherman case as well so it's very common but again we don't know
what they found at the scene that indicated that to them if they did find a note from the killer that says oh by
the way I I killed these two women and I only kill people I know so don't worry about it correct but I'm just going off
of their words where they say the evidence that we gathered at this time that led L us to that statement of this
being an isolated incident so using their words I'm simply pointing out we don't know what they found at the scene
their words are that something found at the seam made that indication to them yeah so I look when there's a killer on
the loose there's a there's a possible danger this guy killed two people and if unless they caught him there's there's
danger I don't know why they make that statement both victims found in the same manner yes and so that's why I'm looking
at their words and and and questioning the investigation I want to know what they're not telling us and so many
people did want to know what they may not be telling us what did they see that they're not telling us so to examine
this for a little bit many people at the time wondered whether there was some kind of evidence that this was a hate
crime right something found at the crime scene that indicated that the murders were either personal or some form of
hate crime because the the ladies were gay the State medical examiner conducted autopsies on the women and concluded
that the women were each shot multiple times and that shell casings and bullet fragments found at the scene were
consistent with the wounds and evidence collected from the bodies of Crystal and
kylin furthermore while the sheriff didn't address this at the time we know that kylin and Crystal were both found
naked from the waist down of course all of our listeners and all of our true crime
Minds go right to sexual assault and that would be a possible motive for the murder some depraved Predator targeting
the women for his own perverse satisfaction and then killing them to prevent the discovery or killing them so
that he can he or they can get away with it right but what's weird here is again
based off of the words of the investigators even though that's what looks like may
have happened it doesn't appear that that is what happened this per KSL news it says Grand County Sheriff's Captain
Shan hackwell said Thursday he did not know if the women were sexually assaulted hackwell said detectives are
still waiting for final reports and tests to be returned from the Utah Office of the medical examiner and State
Crime Lab but a January 20 22 press release from the sheriff's office would later State well and clearly State there
was no sign of forceable sexual assault of either victim right so what the murderer could have done is it could
have been a hate crime and but if I stage it as a sexual assault or sexually motivated crime then it kind of throws
off the public throws off law enforcement onto who I could be the identity of the murderer yes exactly and
there there's I think that it's not clear based off of the information that they release at the crime scene what the
motive would in fact be now right to me it's really curious that they go out of their way to use the word forcible in
their statement there was no sign of forcible sexual assault to either victim so why why is that forceable word in
there what based off of law the state of Utah does that matter because we've and
I'm not going to go down this road because I'm very confident that some of the victim's family members
will probably be listening to this and so I don't want to go down a road of speculation where it's not really
necessary but just before we move on from that we have seen other cases there was a case in in Maryland that we
covered where there were things at the crime scene that indicated to police that yes some type of
assault that was sexual in nature may have occurred but it wasn't force it wasn't
forceable sexual assault and that's what that was their words at the time because
the victim had already been killed so you know without dancing around that too much more well way to paint a picture
there well so let's talk about the area the location where this all went down Moab Utah is a largely unspoiled Natural
Area with a small town of 5,200 surrounded by incredible National Park land it is a mecca for mountain
bikers campers hikers and tourists but it remains uncommercial lied and Untamed yeah it's perfect for hash vanlife the
lal's range where the girls were camping now Captain it seems like they lived in
the van in the winter or the cold older months and camped in the summertime so the lal's range where the girls were
camping is the second highest range in Utah the campsite set up by Crystal and Kalin where they were killed was not a
designated campsite where one signs in with a ranger and is assigned a numbered site this is what is called dispersed
camping okay so you you find a spot that you like they found a spot next to a drainage ditch and put up a tent this is
allowed as long as it's on public property which theirs was so no charge right to be specific their car and tent
were found in the South Mesa area of Lal Loop Road off FR 4651 SS Mesa Road estimates are that it
was about a 30 minute drive from Moab which again is pretty remote seems like a very interesting and adventurous life
that they were living and as said their campsite was not an official one but being next to a stream some shade this
was a good spot for them right so it looks to observers at the scene as though K Crystal and kylin might have
been in the process of packing up to leave to leave that site and move on to another one and we're basing this off of
the rabbit Ruth was in her travel carrier with no food or water and we also know that the women had been
missing for days a few days by the time that they are actually located Cindy mentioned that they were full there were
full Gatorade bottles that were found on the ground at the crime scene some were
missing labels and it was her thought that this site to me looks like they were in the
process of packing up and had been interrupted at some point so the police searched that area they're processing
their crime scene they later release a press release that states the Grand County Sheriff's office immediately
secured the site and spent the next several days processing the scene they searched the irrigation ditch both
before and after draining the ditch by shutting off the water to the ditch evidence collected at the scene included
the victim's tent and personal belongings inside and outside the tent their vehicle
they found blood shell casings bullet fragments and video evidence from nearby properties within 2 days the scene was
released and according to someone on websleuths sorry I don't mean to chuckle but you can't make some of the stuff up
it's okay you're known for laughing at funny things the scene is released in two days and according to somebody on
webu there were tourists camping in that same spot two days later that had no idea that this horrific event took place
right so but you're saying that they were able to get surveillance footage from local residents and and there might
have been possibly trail cams uh around these campgrounds that was one of the things that they were they were looking
for and yes we're in the process of collecting there was a large Ranch about a half mile away from the scene this is
the Whispering Oaks Ranch and we'll get into the timeline here in a bit but I think it's pronounced the whispering
Oaks but even early on police knew that the women were likely killed over the weekend the ranch was hosting a wedding
that weekend with about a 100 guests and according to locals posting online there
is a direct line of sight from some areas of the ranch compound that Overlook the crime scene area
specifically a lodge with a pavilion had anyone at the ranch seen or heard anything is what police wanted to know
gunshot sounds would easily eily travel that distance in this location sheriff's
deputies had to Canvas everyone at the wedding after obtaining the guest list from the host they were looking for
Witnesses they were looking for photo evidence sometimes people are taking photos and they capture something in the
background of a photo they were looking for videos you know wedding is a place that a lot of people will take a quick
video they wanted anything that would help them to shed some light on what happened to these two women yeah or
social media post one complicating Factor here captain that could have compromised the crime scene was that in
the days before Crystal and kylin were found there was bad reportedly bad weather in the area right this is from a
a podcast interview with one of the victim's fathers Shawn Paul the host asked do you know if there was any DNA
fingerprints or even tire tracks that were found at the scene he's asking about evidence and Shawn Paul says no
tire tracks I can tell you no on that same as boot tracks or Footprints and he goes on to say that
this is because they weren't found until 5 days of rain and hail till after five
days of rain and hail and then as far as other evidence goes Captain sea Paul posted on Facebook their evidence is on
a complete total lockdown they won't tell me anything at all about DNA fingerprints gun ballistics any of it
they're super tight lipped about it well one thing I think law enforcement has going for them and and then the loved
ones of these ladies is that they did have three vehicles and they would move around these vehicles and basically like
you were saying storing the vehicles in a public spot where people would be able
to see those so we'd have at least eyewitnesses of you know the girls and their actions and the the actions of
these Vehicles so let's let's dive into um kylin and Crystal's timeline yeah police sit out trying to figure out
what were the last steps of the women trying to nail down when exactly they were killed so we know that they were
found on the 18th and they were believed to have been dead for a few days at that
time when had they last been seen that's what we want to know well there was some
confusion but it sounds like investigators eventually settled on a date of Friday the
13th and they have a specific event on that day too this takes place at Woody's Tavern in Moab this is from the
following is from The Daily Beast that reported the couple who got married in April they're talking about our two
missing and then later found murdered women were semi-regular customers at Woody's Tavern in Moab said bar manager
Ariel Beck they weren't big drinkers said Beck explaining that they came in maybe once or twice a month they showed
up at the bar around 6:00 p.m. on Friday August 13th and left around 9900 p.m. she went on to say that she didn't
see anyone but a Kayla borza and another friend speak to schy and that that night nobody followed
them out the door when they left she goes on to say that they left around 8:30 p.m. well there's more uh of that
story and and a possible lead from that story so it sounds to me Captain that the nights events were pretty much like
this Crystal and kylin they're going to meet up with their friend Kayla borza and another friend and they're going to
spend a couple hours having some casual drinks and catch cing up shooting the breeze right and actually The Daily
Beast has surveillance footage uh you know silent video footage that you can see of all of the girls sitting and
talking and laughing it looks like a typical very typical Friday evening Friday night kind of hangout situation
but it's what the women told Kayla that stood out to investigators later now the
surveillance video obtained by The Daily Beast shows a slain Utah a couple at a local Tavern the night before they
disappeared laughing and chatting with friends to whom they complained about a quote weirdo camping near them in the
wilderness and the friend goes on to say we were just having a great time having
a couple drinks and all they said was there was a creep staying next to them Caleb borza was one of the last people
to see kylin schy age 24 and Crystal Beck age 38 Al live and she says and that was it borza said that the women
didn't seem overly frightened they were more just discussing the creepy guy kind
of laughing about it but there is indication that after that the women became increasingly distressed about the
creep the following is from ksl.com they had a review of some of the documents that were filed by law enforcement
Captain this is from a search warrant affidavit filed in the 7th District court that says the women were last seen
on Friday August 13 about 8:30 p.m. leaving Woody's Tavern on Main Street in Moab they drove to a campsite in the
lasa mountains at some point during the weekend friends say the women called to inform others that they were moving to a
different campsite because of a weiro nearby who was quote freaking them out investigators were informed that Kyle
had mentioned to her friends that if something happened to them they were murdered kylin had continued by saying
there was a creepy man around their camp and they had been intimidated by him there are some reports that there are
texts from one or both of the women's phones saying that the creep was camping near them and was making them
uncomfortable and they were thinking of moving and we really don't know whether they did move since we only know where
they were found not where they had started out right but clearly there was a man in the woods or in the area whom
the woman could see and possibly even interacted with who was quote creeping them out and kylin had even gone so far
it's to joke about being murdered to her friend but the other issue is packing up
and unpacking look very similar that is true that's absolutely true so the way that I I don't know the full details of
this man who's creeping them out other than what they stated here yeah oh creepo the only other story that I heard
was that one of the nights they this is after dark they are not in their tent sleeping
they are on a hammock and I I'm guessing that they were awake or something startled one of them to to to wake them
up but the way that that story goes is that at some point on one of the nights they're in the hammock and they see the
man like walking through their campsite now I didn't get any better description of that you know did they see him like
look in their tent or looking at their you know going through their objects their items or or anything at their
campsite from the way that The Story Goes is he was unaware that they were in the
hammock that he likely thought that they were still in their tent right right but
they have this vehicle and they have their tents out and it's obviously that they have their
space it's also obvious that there's a lot of space around them so for him to even walk that close even close to their
campsite is kind of a no no when you're camping yes yeah exactly this is this is
not a spot if if in fact they're having these problems at the spot that they're later found this is not a place that
they're surrounded by other campers that you would you would almost be forced to
walk through somebody's campsite right like you said it's obvious they're camping there it would be obvious to not
walk through somebody's campsite now when this story first broke everyone assumed that the women were killed at
their campsite Friday night after returning from Woody's Tavern they had talked about moving their campsite to
their friend that night and for from the scene it looked as though they were getting ready to pack up or were in the
middle of packing up but as the captain say says and I agree packing up and unpacking look very similar the middle
of the night seems like the logical time however for the murder out in the open but this was not disclosed until January
of 2022 investigators narrowed down the date of the double murder to be that of Saturday the 14th I know it's a remote
area I mean it's a campsite I mean by definition it's a remote area but you would think that
somebody would have heard these gunshots because there was multiple gunshots fired and that just may be the case so
when we learn of investigators narrowing down the date of the double murder to Saturday the 14th
the way that that works is that a private investigator working pro bono with Sean Paul with one of the victim's
fathers appeared on a show called closing arguments with Vinnie potin on the court TV network the private
investigator his name is Jason Jensen shared some new information stating that investigators were now focusing in on
late morning the late morning of Saturday the 14th the day after the women were seen at Woody's Tavern
stating that rumors that there were rumors that at 11:35 a.m. there were gunshots and
screams that were heard Jensen said that he got his information from a quote reliable source saying that they meaning
the authorities had audio of the shooting with the sounds of gunshots and screams reported at 11:35 on the morning
of August 14th which is that Saturday so after that segment aired the Grand County Sheriff's Office did confirm this
they came forward and reported to ABC 4 news saying yes we do have audio recordings from the area with some
gunshots on August 14th but they go on to say I am not going to say the specific time but let's
say it was in the AM we can't specifically say if those gunshots are related to our homicide so the officer
would not address whether the screams were heard and he would not elaborate on how they possibly had or acquired these
audio recordings in the first place we can speculate it could have been somebody at the wedding a half mile away
recording something and the shots are captured on their audio right or which would give you the time time frame or
did the phone that was found at the scene did it possibly contain audio no one was saying at the time but of course
this is very a very intriguing development to this investigation because if Jensen is
correct then there were gunshots at 11:35 a.m. meaning that the women were killed in public in broad daylight this
does change things it makes it a much more Brazen crime a more likely you know more likely that there would have been a
tourist dash cam or some kind of sighting of a vehicle speeding away from the area this might help with
potentially more ear Witnesses or eyewitnesses to somebody fleeing the area so we have eyewitnesses and friends
that saw them at Woody's Tavern the night before but it seems like we have some evidence that they also woke up
that next morning and probably went into town for something and then came back before they were viciously murdered
right so this is this is expanding on the idea that it's not just the audio of these gunshots that 11:35 a.m. that
might be leading investigators to believe that they were killed on the morning of the 14th and so this last
little bit of information was uncovered by the private investigators stating that the women had driven back into town
and had ridden their motorcycle around so and then parking it back at the McDonald's before hopping in the keia
and going out to wherever they were camping at the time and so the investig goes on to say that they were seen
because they were pulled over they had a light-hearted conversation they were bragging that uh kayn learned how to
drive the motorcycle so this is it seems like it's a little bit of an unconfirmed sighting but it would seem
pretty official if they were pulled over and had some kind of conversation with uh someone from law enforcement right so
just to recap here quickly Captain the women were at Woody Tavern on Friday night until about 8:30 or so and then
they presumably returned to their campsite the next morning they went into town this is unconfirmed by law
enforcement they must have returned to the campsite where they were killed at 11:35 a.m. by an unknown person at least
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On August 16, 2021 Sean-Paul Schulte reported to police in Utah that his daughter Kylen Schulte and her wife Crystal Turner were missing. Sean-Paul had been unable to reach Kylen for a couple of days and this was not normal at all. In fact this sent the anxious father into a frenzy of activity. Sean-Paul lived in Montana and so he contacted everyone he could think of to try to help locate his daughter. He called the hospital, he called the jail and he called Kylen’s place of work frequently. No one had seen the girls since Friday the 13th. This was at Woody’s Tavern where the two ladies met with friends. During the visit Kylen and Crystal talked about some “creepy guy” that had spooked them at their campsite. Unfortunately on August 18, 2021 Kylen and Crystal were found dead and so began one of the most bizarre stories to come out of peaceful Moab, Utah. This case is still UNSOLVED and the Grand County Sheriff’s Office is still seeking information from the public. Please call the Sheriff’s office with any information at (435) 259-8115.

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Brief Summary

Kylin Schy and Crystal Turner were murdered in Utah, raising concerns about media focus and the ongoing investigation.

Key points

A Father's Plea. A father pleads for attention on his daughter's unsolved murder, fearing it will be overshadowed.
Tragic Outcome. Authorities discover the bodies of Kylin and Crystal, leading to a shocking revelation.
The Discovery. Cindy finds the missing women's campsite but only their pet rabbit is there.
Investigation Update. The Grand County Sheriff's Office confirms the deaths were from gunshot wounds.
Public Safety Concerns. Despite the murders, authorities claim there's no danger to the public.
Creepy Encounter. The victims expressed discomfort about a 'creep' camping nearby before their disappearance.

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