Most Wanted /// Part 1 /// 130 | Forensic Files

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the pond we have Dina from London we like your Jeep we have a message here from a happy Tracy in Tustin California
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happy trails working on it she says you are not allowed to quit Captain because if you jump she jumps so hopefully
nobody's jumping off of anything we're gonna have a jumping party off the bridge at parts unknown and last but not
least we have Deputy Justin and Papillon Nebraska I looked that up I wanted to make sure it was a real place because
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foreign [Music] [Music] the FBI is seeking your help to apprehend the following individuals
Robert William Fisher allegedly killed his wife and two children and blew up their house in
Scottsdale Arizona in 2001. Eduardo rivello charged with the murders of pregnant U.S
consulate employee her husband and a friend in Mexico seven years ago Yasser Saeed
is wanted for allegedly murdering his two teenage daughters the girls died of multiple gunshot
wounds on January 1st 2008. Walter yovani Gomez is wanted for his alleged involvement in the brutal murder
of a man in Plainfield New Jersey in May of 2011. the victim was struck in the head
numerous times his throat was cut and he was stabbed 17 times in the back Luis macedo a Latin King's gang member
is wanted for his alleged involvement in the death of a 15 year old boy in Chicago Illinois on May 1st 2009
the victim was beaten shot and set on fire badrish Kumar Patel the FBI is offering
a two hundred thousand dollar reward for the arrest of badrish Kumar he is wanted
for allegedly killing his wife by striking her multiple times with an object while the two were working at a
donut shop in Hanover Maryland on April 12 2015. for more information visit fbi.gov
wanted these are just some of the most Wanted men in America and this is true crime garage
[Music] we want to do something a little different on this episode we wanted to dive into the FBI's top 10 most wanted
list yeah we grew up being fans of the show's Unsolved Mysteries and America's Most Wanted and so kind of paying a
little bit of a tribute to those two shows you know there there is this list this living breathing list that's
provided to us by the FBI and anybody at any time can go to their website and look at the photos of these wanted
individuals read about the stories and it's something that I think that not a lot of us are paying attention to and we
got a lot of web sleuthors out there we got this whole community of people looking for these terrible people that
we talk about every week but there's this list there's this list of people that we should be hunting yeah and I
it's a list that I haven't checked out in a while but going back to the Unsolved Mysteries in America's Most
Wanted if you could host if you could revive one of those shows and you could be the host which show would you pick
well see here's the thing Captain I 100 percent without without fault I immediately would pick Unsolved
Mysteries oh yeah I just choice I mean Robert Stack's voice is so incredibly good just because you're the host
doesn't mean you get a sound like Robert Stack well right right and but that's what scares me it would be very big
shoes to fill you know what I mean he did such a good job with that and he was like creepy enough that it that it added
to the creep factor of the show well Colonel I think you're uh creepy enough to fill his creepy shoes well I I will
take that as a compliment well it really wasn't a compliment but let's uh let's dive into the history and some of the
cases that Fascinate us on the FBI's most wanted list for over 60 years the FBI has sought The public's assistance
in a very special way through one of their most effective longest running publicity programs the top most wanted
fugitives list in 1949 a reporter this is James Donovan he asked the FBI to identify the
toughest guys that they were investigating at the time the FBI provided him with photos of 10 dangerous
fugitives which he then published on the front page of the Washington Daily News
the top 10 list was extremely popular at the time and several of the fugitives were captured as a result so during the
following year the FBI they formalized its 10 most wanted fugitives publicity program which since 1950 has led to the
location of hundreds of our nation's most dangerous criminals they have and they have over a 90 percent success rate
when they place somebody on the list of apprehending them which is a high percentage but one of the criterias is
they put these individuals that they think the public can help them capture yes that's right and we'll go through
the criteria of how someone ends up on the list according to the FBI but from the direct director you know the
director states that the FBI's top 10 program it celebrates not only the FBI success story but it emphasizes the need
for citizen cooperation in the fight against Crime the tennis is where we come in that's
what we're doing that's what we're doing that's what we're doing right now right
here the 10 most wanted fugitives program tracks the evolution of crime of the crime problem in America while the
list began with bank robbers and murder suspects fleeing State jurisdiction it has recently evolved into a search for
major organized crime figures serial killers domestic and international terrorists cyber criminals and white
collar criminals and it seems like a lot in the last five to ten years have actually been terrorists yeah during the
last 17 years the list has Illustrated the international scope of crime as well as the importance of strong Global
Partnerships and the search for terrorist sexual predators human traffickers and other violent criminals
who pose a significant danger to us all right so the FBI program is evolving correct So Gone are the days when the
top 10 posters could be found in post offices since 1996 the top 10 post posters have appeared on the FBI's
Internet site that is www.fbi.gov uh you know this is obviously to reach across borders uh
sometimes these people these criminals will flee to other countries and we need worldwide help to apprehend these guys
one it seems like the FBI is also getting hip with social media yeah they've used things like Facebook
Twitter I believe there's there's even an FBI app where you can keep track of the top 10 list and and who's on it and
who we should be looking for in the first 60 years of this FBI list there were 494 fugitives that appeared on the
top 10 list and during that 60 years 463 of them had been located now I do want to be clear about this because not all
of the fugitives have been arrested out of that 463. some of these people surrendered other others have been found
deceased or they may have been found sound innocent you know at some point where they thought that this person was
guilty of a crime and they were seeking him or her then later evidence comes out
the point that they're not actually the person the guilty party could you imagine being on that list like being
that guy that's being the guy that's like you know oh we got the captain from True Crime garage on the top 10 list
I'd be I'd be I'd be [ __ ] in my pants my friend all right so what is the criteria
to be on the list I get there's two primary criteria used to determine who should be placed on this list first The
Fugitive must be particularly dangerous uh amendance to society and or have a lengthy record of committing serious
crimes secondly as you pointed out the FBI must believe that Nationwide publicity will assist in apprehending
The Fugitive right so here's how they come up with this list Captain they they have many FBI offices that are involved
in selecting the fugitives who will make it on the list the criminal investigative division the CID at FBI
headquarters they contact all of their other field offices in an effort to solicit the most dangerous fugitives for
consideration so they basically all kind of nominate somebody and then they review the nominees and decide who is
going to be on the list one off the Record earlier weren't you saying that there's no like one through ten I
believe so like I I always thought of this list when you hear top 10 lists you hear like oh this is the most Wanted guy
Public Enemy Number One right and the list doesn't appear to me to be a number one two or three uh anytime I click on
there or go to their website the the order seems to change uh who's on there so I think you're really just on the top
10 list you're not really they're not ranking these guys right so forever we heard you know Osama Bin Laden was the
number one most wanted you know man uh by our government by our FBI and that may be the case or may have been the
case at the time I don't know if they've changed the way that they format the thing but unless a top tenor is captured
found dead or surrenders uh there that's the only way those are the only conditions of getting removed from the
list because one of the cases that we're going to dive into what I when we're looking at the list you he was in the
number one spot and when you look into his crime I mean you know he's a hideous person but you know it's almost like
really that's all that's all you have to do to get to the number one spot yeah well I would encourage everybody to go
to fbi.gov and dive more into this you can look into the criteria and look about the history of the list and people
that have been apprehended throughout the years uh one thing that what I found particularly interesting when I was
reading about this was where they located some of these fugitives um this is this is right off of their
website says while many of the top Tenors apparently stay close to the crime you know one in one in six
fugitives never left the city where they committed their crime but two-thirds were eventually apprehended far from the
location of their crime in fact more than 40 percent of the top 10 fugitives have been apprehended outside of the
United States right but not anybody there's no individual from the list that was found in Parts Unknown never that's
correct just to let you that's exactly right well one of the famous let's talk about one of the famous cases from the
top 10 list this is a man named William Raymond Nesbitt on December that's my favorite one just but we'll start with
this one okay on December 22nd 1936 William Raymond Nesbitt together with three other men including a man named
Harold Baker and his girlfriend they burglarized a wholesale jewelry company at Sioux City Iowa well the company
reported more than thirty seven thousand dollars worth of jewels that had been stolen later that month all the
participants drove to many haha County in South Dakota so if anybody's in South Dakota and I completely butchered that
County send us an email that's the actual name of the county I'm moving there five this is five miles east of
Sioux Falls South Dakota they did this in order to obtain some Dynamite to make nitroglycerin okay and once they arrive
and then they get out of the car three of the men became involved in a fight the girlfriend this is Harold Baker's
girlfriend she got out of the automobile and attempted to stop the fight as she did so William Raymond Nesbitt struck
her in the head with a hammer several times and one of the other men then shot her she was dragged into a powder house
now Baker Harold Baker he was knocked unconscious during this fight and he was drugged into that powder house as well
well one of the men in the group he lit a fuse to some powder and fled the scene
Baker's girlfriend although she had been severely beaten and shot she was able to
crawl away the fuse exploded this this blew up 3 500 pounds of dynamite and 70 I'm sorry seven thousand pounds of black
powder this killed Harold Baker the explosion was huge it rocked the countryside it shattered Windows mirrors
and glass where in Sioux Falls which remember we said was five miles away well while the police were conducting an
investigation to determine what had caused the blast they were advised that a woman had been brought to the hospital
and she was suffering from bullet wounds and shock the investment anthos you know Hammer to
the face hits you know she's suffering from those too well the investigation revealed information concerning the
three men including William Raymond Nesbitt who had been responsible for the murder of Baker and for shooting uh
Baker's girlfriend Nesbit was apprehended in Oklahoma City Oklahoma this was on February 26
1937. he was returned to Sioux Falls where he was tried and convicted for murder and he received life imprisonment
in South Dakota State Penitentiary now nine years later nesbitt's life term was commuted to a 20 20-year sentence
ridiculous yeah well listen to this I blew this guy up with dynamite and you're gonna give me 20 years yeah and
Nesbit during this term had become a trustee and eventually was allowed to leave the prison to perform housework
landscaping and duties as a chauffeur wow that's ridiculous so you got this you got this uh jewelry Thief turned
murderer who's now driving people around town on September 4th 1946 when the night check was made at the penitentiary
Nesbit was missing on December 26 1946 a federal complaint was filed before the United States commissioner at Rapid City
South Dakota charging William res William Raymond Nesbitt with unlawful flight to avoid confinement and a
warrant was issued for his arrest and then once they issue this warrant the FBI is going to get involved at this
point yeah they're going to be looking for Nesbit in March of 1950 a news article which carried a picture of
Nesbit together with his description and fugitive status was published in a Saint
Paul Minnesota newspaper as well as other newspapers around the country on Friday afternoon March 17th a 14 year
old boy arrived home from school and he noticed a newspaper on the kitchen floor
as he looked at the paper he noted that the photograph of Nesbit and the accompanying article advising Nesbitt
was wanted by the FBI so this boy and his 13 year old friend they spent a lot of time playing along the Mississippi
Riverbank in Saint Paul Minnesota with other boys from the neighborhood well over the past few months they had become
acquainted with a guy that they called Rey who lived in a cave on the riverbank yeah they would visit they would visit
this Ray guy about once a week I wonder how many times they told their parents about Rey we hang out with Ray oh that's
nice dear where does Ray live oh he lives in a cave yeah the parents think that Rey is some created some uh
creation of their imagination right uh well for during this four-month time period they would visit this Ray guy you
know when he anytime they were down by the river they said about once a week they would see Rey and he would allow
them access to his cave occasionally telling them stories about his travels about his life and finally in early
March of 1950 Rey then he didn't want to see any of the boys anymore he told them
that they needed to stay away from the cave because it was a dangerous area they were likely to get hurt well yeah
you know Ray became like a motivational speaker you know he kept on saying you guys don't want to end up like me you
don't want to be living in a cave down by the river well and you have to to wonder if Rey came up with this at about
the same time that the newspaper article came out with his face and picture on it
well the the 14 year old boy he cut out the article uh from the newspaper believing that the man in the photograph
was Rey right from the cave yep and the boy took the article to his friends and showed them the article and they agreed
that it looked like this Rey character well the next day the boys went down to the cave to make sure that Rey was
indeed the man in the photograph they then after seeing him confirmed their belief they then phoned the police
and told them of their suspicion so on that Saturday morning this is just March 18
1950 just two days after William Raymond Nesbitt was placed on the top 10 list well he was apprehended by Saint Paul
police due to the courage and bravery of these two young boys that had seen his picture I would make one heck of a like
a dramatization if they took that and just made that little part a movie you know a 13 and a 14 year old you know
seeing this you know this is Ray from The Cave but this guy is on the FBI's most wanted list right from the cave and
we gotta we gotta go down there and confront him I mean that's oh man can you imagine the terror that was in their
Their little bodies you know what I wonder about that though Captain I wonder if you know of course they
weren't too young to have fear but you almost wonder if they fully understood the and comprehended the the gravity of
the subject yeah yeah that they could be placing themselves in immediate danger well this is kind of showing the history
of how it works and and and how they implement it yeah and how quickly somebody can be apprehended once they're
placed on the list yeah you said it was a couple days yeah it was just two days after they showed the newspaper article
what another really interesting case is Robert Van Wiese he was wanted for murder for I believe 30 years or so uh
before he actually ended up on the list well and I'm gonna take some of this story from a this is adapted from a news
story from K view which is an ABC affiliate back in 2015. now this story takes place in Austin Texas now more for
more than three decades after a brutal murder in South Austin Police say that they knew who had did it but the suspect
effect was still not in custody in September of 1983 employees at the South Austin office building got to work and
discovered 22 year old Lori Stout in the men's restroom she had been sexually assaulted strangled and suffocated now
Lori Stout who is she she owned a cleaning business along with her husband and she had been working that night in
the building and she died that night she was murdered this happened at an office
building on South First Street near the U.S highway 290. now back in the 1980s the University of Texas they had offices
there so this is where UT students would be signing up for classes and so this building was open late that night so
there are many people coming in and out of the building that evening right so this is the this is the University of
Texas this is the Longhorns right yeah big giant University will you talk about Texas a lot lot it's a big state Lots
going on so one of the students that was in and out of the building that night was 18 year old Robert Van Wiese
everyone who was in the building that night after they discovered the murder I think that his friends called him young
wheezing young Wheezy young young van Weezy old young Wheezy well after the the victim was discovered everybody that was
in the building that night they were questioned and this included 18 year old van Wiese he was there late registering
for a class that he was going to attend at the University to taken computer you probably that's what most people sign up
for he was given fingerprinting and some kind of DNA test right but he wasn't apprehended at this time right right
because they have to process the fingerprints and the DNA yeah and they really had nothing to hold him on and it
wasn't until later that they were able to match his fingerprints with fingerprints found at the crime scene
and the do we know if they were able to match the DNA or not well let's get into
that let's uh introduce Angel Polanski she was with the Austin Police Department now there's a few things that
she's she's got a lot of opinions about this case she's worked this case for a long time saying that you know this was
a case that they talked about daily at their Department it was one that they believed was going to be solved and then
later once they had the evidence they really felt that they knew who had committed this crime it was all about
apprehending this person so what happens here Captain is not only are those fingerprints found at the crime scene
but according to Polanski the fingerprints are in locations that are very damning to him uh they're what
ended up happening too this is a bit strange but she added that A lab technician had misread the DNA
originally and this ruled out van Wiese it wasn't until 1992 that another investigator realized that there was a
mistake so they went back and they were able to get familial DNA which ended up connecting van Wiese to this case so
this solidifies their theory that they had the right guy right but when you hear stories like that I mean doesn't it
just make you question The credibility of the system yeah it does but but we're humans you know we're all flawed uh
people make mistakes speak for yourself uh the police believe that that van Wiese left the country before they could
apprehend him now the next challenging thing would be of course locating him and then they believed that he had he
had gone to Mexico well let me guess he was living in a cave down by the river I
don't think that was the case no but not only was the problem finding him but also a big problem would be if he was to
be located in Mexico would law enforcement their extradite and back to the United States yeah they have to be
cooperative with us a U.S Marshal's supervisory detective says that this could be a long cumbersome process it
could take months it could take even years you know van Wiest initially faced the death penalty but investigators were
going to have to lessen the charge if they did locate him in Mexico and wanted to get him back because Mexico does not
agree with our death penalty as a punishment and they're very upfront about not agreeing to even consider
extradition of any Mexican national that has a capital murder as the charge or death penalty as the possible
possibility of punishment yeah that's very interesting well what they ended up doing Captain is just that
right so they uh regarding van Wiese they lessened the charge and his punishment was going to carry a life
sentence right uh once that changed the FBI and the U.S Marshals were working very hard to find him well after 32
years it wasn't going to be easy and then let me throw this at you too investigators only had one picture of
Van Wiese this was him at the age of 18. you know so of course he's going to look
a lot different after 32 years and yeah or you could be like Ralph Macchio and he looks exactly the same I think Ralph
is sleeping in tupperware he's holding it together very well the other thing though all of the lead investigators
like I said they believed that they knew who did this from the get-go from very early on in this crime investigation and
their big concern was you know they didn't want him to hurt anybody else you know in 32 years you have to sit back
and wonder well I hope he hasn't raped anybody else or murdered anyone else during that time that's of course a big
concern for us all one I think the other concern was that his family lived in the
area and they weren't being cooperative with police or FBI so then they were wondering right if they're like
sponsoring him if they're supporting him yeah they would offer the police no help
with their investigation to find their family member well you know but in their defense I mean you have one DNA comes
back and it's red wrong quote unquote so how can you be for sure that these fingerprints match him and if they don't
then therefore you know he's innocent I mean that would be a simple argument right why are you running from the law
well they say my fingers prints match but they don't and they said before my that my DNA didn't match and now they're
saying it does yeah I can see both sides of the coin there but you know he fits the criteria very
well for being on the list because he would be considered a dangerous fugitive and second of all he's somebody that it
seems very obvious that they need the Public's assistance in apprehending this guy especially if he did flee the
country right but this is all going to change December 13 2016. yeah because they're going to
place van Wiese on the FBI's most wanted list uh he becomes the 511th person added to the list and after that takes
place well it doesn't take very long Captain because on January 26 2017 he surrenders to U.S officials in Laredo
Texas at the Mexican border now on March 28 2017 van Wiese pled guilty to murder
and was sentenced to 30 years in prison gotcha gotcha so that's where you can see a guy that's wanted for a crime for
over 30 years he's placed on the list and it's what about 45 days later approximately that he surrenders and
ultimately pleads guilty to having committed this crime all right so 90 of the time it works all the time all right
let's get right back to this right after this quick beer break [Music] all right we're back cheers mate cheers
so we are going to feature some persons that are wanted by the FBI these are straight off of their list so these are
live cases Active cases we encourage everyone to go to fbi.gov wanted and do your part you know look at the faces
read the stories because just like Robert Stack used to say who knows maybe you could solve a mystery yeah but he'd
say it way cooler than that you're you're right he would so first on our list let's talk about a guy named Jason
Derrick Brown a little background on him he was born in 1969 he's an American fugitive wanted for first degree murder
armed robbery in Phoenix Arizona this took place November 29 2004. on December 8 2007 he was named by the FBI as their
489th fugitive to be placed on the 10 most wanted list now of course Brown is considered armed and extremely dangerous
like we said he was born in California back in 1969 he attended the Laguna Beach High School Brown speaks fluid
French and he has a master's degree in international business well he actually should be called like the MTV killer and
I say that because one Laguna Beach right wasn't there a show called Laguna Beach I think so and then uh so there's
that part uh typical you know it seems like kind of a a Richie Rich white guy but the funny thing is is for a while he
was trying to rock the poly D from Jersey Shore haircut well he grew up a bit of a privileged lifestyle he served
a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Paris France from 1988 to 1990. so when we say he's
fluent in French he's extreme extremely fluent in French between 1990 and 2004 Brown resided in several places in
Orange County California this included Dana Point as well as a neighborhood of Newport Beach Brown also owned two
businesses this was based in Salt Lake City Utah these are identified by computer records as toys unlimited and
on the doorstep advertising both of these companies he operated out of his Utah home now brown had been employed as
as a toy salesman and a golf equipment importer as well now okay so he's got these businesses plus he has these jobs
that he's doing this is a guy that later in life and leading up to his crimes he's trying to support a very luxurious
lifestyle right but let's go back for a second so the there's no store friends these are just online he's like a
distributor correct so this guy you know read four hour work week and he took that to the extreme so he's selling toys
online and he's also selling golf equipment correct correct now what is his expect his his luxurious lifestyle
well this is a guy that has extremely expensive taste uh he likes cars fast cars motorbikes boats
um he he portrayed himself to be a wealthy man um but he was not a wealthy man this was
a guy that was racking up tens of thousands of dollars in debt sounds like the captain well Jason Brown he finds
himself big time in debt by the year of 2004. now in November of 2004 uh Brown took a Firearms class he purchased a 45
caliber Glock pistol and he purchased this from a place called totally awesome guns uh they yeah this was uh hey I got
a great idea let's sell guns what do you want to call it totally awesome guns dude well and this place was in Salt
Lake City but they also had a uh a range a shooting range range there as well now
he wanted to take some classes he wanted to get his um conceal and carry license
so he passed a background check and as part of the class he was fingerprinted and his prints were sent to state and
federal authorities you know this is part of the agreement when you sign up for these different things now his his
instructor at the class would later describe Brown as an obnoxious student he was a guy that had you know he had a
chip on his shoulder he was kind of goofing off during the class didn't take it too seriously and he said this is
coming from the guy uh totally awesome guns totally awesome guns okay uh he also says that brown seemed to be
extremely inexperienced with Firearms well you can just picture this right I mean some rich white kid I'm going to
learn about guns and he just you know he's just joking around about it not taking it serious well and to paint a
bit of a picture too for the list owners he's got kind of this uh you know some of the pictures you'll see of him he's
got a bit of a a tan California Surfer Dude kind of look to him yeah but he's also kind of a couple people have said
he kind of looks like Sean Penn I guess if you do a I'm going to do a Google image search real quick yeah uh and I
think for some reason they they put pictures with Sean Penn next to him to kind of show you he looks similar but
I think he just looks like a douche on Monday November 29 2004 this is the Monday after the Thanksgiving Day
weekend now there's a there's an armed truck that's going to pull up to a movie theater and this is in Phoenix Arizona
okay so the way that this thing would work is that the truck would pull up and you have a driver and then you have a
guard that would get out of the truck yeah I used to have to deal with these guys uh Brinks was the company that I
dealt with when I worked at the bank and they would show up I think our money drop was every Tuesday so they'd have to
show up Tuesday and and you could have different if you had like special orders that come on different days but yeah one
guy would stay in the truck the other guy would come in but these both individuals are heavily armed yeah
anybody that's familiar with this these guys they look like these guards they they're dressed very much like police
officers uh and it's usually pretty obvious that they're wearing bulletproof vest and as the captain said they are
armed my experience with with persons in this profession was I always got the the
GI Joe kind of feel from these guys they were very aware of their surroundings they were very fit physically young
dudes a lot of them wanted to go into law enforcement at some point in their careers we actually we actually had one
guy that was not physically fit at all it was like this little he should have stayed in the truck right because
there's like a little Russian guy and he'd always come in always be so pissed off about everything right and then like
so you'd have coin and and so not only would they drop off the money to you which they would like put nice and neat
on their little uh dolly or whatever so then once you gave them bags and other stuff they didn't have time to like put
it back on their Dolly so this guy he never wanted to take two trips so he would just be like waddling out
with this money like just sweating caring as much as possible to avoid the second trip yeah it's I I will never
forget that guy because he was pissed off every Tuesday when I'd be like I got tons of coins for you well no problem I
do this myself it's got to be a stressful job you know it's a high risk job as we will see in this particular
story as well and I think obviously they probably want to spend as little time out of outside of that truck as possible
well for this particular pickup this was going to be a pickup from a movie theater this is an AMC 24 movie theater
in Phoenix Arizona they had the same like what they would call drop point where the truck would pull up and park
in the same area every time the one single guard would get out of the truck the truck is then locked by the driver
from the inside and then the guard goes in and collects the money well and they do this like my bank was on a corner and
their their pickup spot was always um you know they they have to have an exit plan right so they would park you know
on the curb but like if anything went down they had a straight away to turn right so
um so they do this every time and if somebody was parked in that spot they would just Loop
around until they could be as close to that spot as possible yeah yeah well I was once told to move my vehicle by one
of these uh guards by one of the trucks I guess I was blocking their spot or their getaway spot like you had said and
then what do you say to him you go not my problem no I just said yes sir and I moved my car uh I said not my problem
and then he pulled a gun on me and I was forced to move my car well this is at 10
A.M on a Monday and their job here is going to be to pick up money from this movie theater so they Park in their
designated spot now it sounds to me like the guard had a considerable amount of distance to walk to get into the movie
theater to collect this money or waddle yeah well this is a 24 year old Keith palomares he is the guard that's going
to get out of the truck right okay so around 10 a.m that morning as palomares is making his way back to the truck and
he gets just to you know at the movie theater where they sell the the tickets at the ticket kiosk and sometimes it's
outside of the movie theater he's walking just past them when he's approached by a man this is a hooded man
and he's got a gun he ambushes the guard unfortunately the guard is armed but does not have time to defend himself he
is shot at six times at close range and five of the Six Bullets that were fired struck the guard in the head yeah
because these individuals also wear bulletproof vest and and so the the gun used in this attack was
um well it was going to be this 45 caliber semi-automatic Glock right um that we had discussed earlier that brown
had purchased from the awesome guns in range in Salt Lake City um police won't know this exactly at
this time unfortunately the young guard only 24 years of age he died at the scene and the gunman immediately took
the bag of money from the guard and this contained fifty six thousand dollars in
cash now the gunman he ran into an alley and he was seen leaving the scene on a bicycle well and he he had to know
somebody because you know your drops are different every week so you know there'd
be times that we you would have to order money you know so brings would bring us
the order of money well sometimes I mean I'd be in the back room and I'd have to
you know count maybe two hundred thousand dollars worth of cash that's what I ordered but they're be other
weeks where maybe we only ordered large or or a certain number of bills and it could be as little as fifteen hundred
dollars right so the fact that he's going to be walking away with fifty six thousand dollars anybody listening and
going hey this sounds like a great idea the chances of it being that large every
time there was a drop at the movie theater I would say is extremely low so I wonder if he knew some individual that
worked there well the other thought here Captain is that it would have been after
the Thanksgiving Day weekend right um so I don't know if that if that created a longer terminal questions so sorry to
cut you off but question so is is this after the individual picks up the money or are they dropping off money the they
are picking up money from the movie theater I was a little confused but okay so then he would have some knowledge
that we know that that's one of the biggest weekends all year and so yeah okay that makes a little more sense to
me sorry sorry about that and so so police immediately are believing that this is a planned crime you know that
this guy didn't just happen to be in the area with a gun and decided oh there's an armed guard I'll go rob him they they
believe this to be planned like you said it's a big movie we weekend and this guy
is leaving the movie theater he's the attacker knew that the guard would be armed knew that he would be wearing a
bulletproof vest right and immediately Fires at the head of the Guard well police originally in their
investigation they start hearing stories of a guy that had been hanging around the mall I'm sorry around the movie
theater for weeks and this was a guy that was that drove a silver BMW now the only problem here though is he
doesn't match the description by eyewitnesses on the day that the guard is shot on that day Witnesses described
the shooter as somebody being 25 to 30 years old and Hispanic well the guy that had been hanging around the movie
theater for weeks in his silver BMW was a white guy but he did fit the age uh that the witnesses had stated a couple
days later police locate the bicycle that the guy had fled on well on this bicycle they find a bunch of
fingerprints well they match these fingerprints to a guy named Jason Derek Brown remember he was fingerprinted when
he purchased that gun and signed up for the Firearms class and and looking at Jason there's no way you would mistake
him as a Hispanic individual um so that that's kind of a little strange to me it is a little strange but I will
throw this out there when I said he's got that kind of California surfer dude look yeah or he has the blonde hair too
you know the bleach well it's frosted tips yeah and he but he's he's pretty tan in a lot of these pictures that you
see and he would have been hooded you know he's wearing a hoodie when he attacked the guard so they might have
only been able to see a small portion of his face right and we have his fingerprints that were on the bike the
getaway bike and we have his fingerprints from the shooting range totally awesome gun store yeah so now
the police are armed with his name they have a name it's Jason Derek Brown and they make an announcement that they're
looking for this guy jdb because of the shooting that took place in front of the
movie theater well there's a local guy and he hears the name in the news report and he contacts the police department
and he says I met this guy I actually met him the day before the guard was shot to death
he was out somewhere and he had parked his truck and there was a guy out there practicing it like shooting you know
he's he's firing his gun off doing some practice shooting okay and he had these um like paper plates that he was
shooting at and using them as as targets well remember we said he was a very inexperienced shooter right yeah he
accidentally shot this guy's truck So what had happened was the guy he approaches him and he's like look man
you you just shot my truck and so this dude and he he says he's very you know California Surfer looking kind of dude
shot my truck and he he agreed to pay me thirteen hundred dollars in Damages for
the Bullet Hole in the truck and he wrote out some kind of contract uh result you know what was the result of
what happened and how they decided to work this out he wrote it out on some of those paper plates that he was using as
targets and he signed his name Jason Brown and so this guy brought these paper plates to the officers and said look
this this is the dude I saw him out practice shooting the day before this crime went down sure enough they matched
the bullet that is in this truck to be that of the same bullets that were used to kill the guard so not only do we have
this so they could do a ballistic test you know comparing uh the bullet holes of the paper plates and the bullet holes
on the victim yeah so now you have Fingerprints of this guy on the getaway bicycle as well as matching the bullets
uh that he signed a paper plate saying that he was using the day before this guy was shot so where are they at now on
this investigation well before we I bring you totally up to speed you know as soon as he was named and identified
as the suspect in this case uh they they traced him around and followed him around the United States for quite some
time uh they were tracking him to uh Henderson Nevada which he fled from from Arizona he had also traveled to Las
Vegas at one point there he swapped out his cars remember they were looking for this silver BMW it was one of those uh
series three and they were looking for this vehicle well he swapped out this vehicle in Nevada where he's he started
driving a black cattle Cadillac Escalade ball uh well after he switched out these
vehicles Captain he drove back to California remember he's got family there right and he would actually stay
with some relatives until the police were once again on his Trail now here's a very disconcerting thing here his
relatives admit that he stayed there but originally they tell the police that yeah he you just missed him by like an
hour or two we don't know where he went but he left here in his silver BMW well the police get smart right they're
they're not stupid they're like okay you're housing this fugitive and you're going to tell us you know you don't know
where he went but this is what he's driving so the police immediately are like we're not looking for a guy in a
silver BMW we're not putting that out on our Bia on the lookout for we're gonna put it out that he could be driving a
silver BMW or any other type of vehicle right it was after this that they do learn at some point that they were lied
to by the relatives and that he was in fact in a black Cadillac Escalade by that point well they should be charged
and locked up I think if they did that guess who's going to be well he's not going to turn himself in because he only
gives a [ __ ] about himself for one and but you know but but they need to put pressure on the family I think that's
the right thing to do well in 2005 the authorities found Brown's Cadillac in the long-term parking lot at a Portland
Oregon Airport okay now while he was in Portland they learned that brown had been mailing packages of clothing and
golf equipment to his brother David John Brown who was still in San Diego again okay we have a case where your family is
lying so you're you're lying to the police you're harboring a fugitive right so charge them with something oh he's
mailing stuff to his brother charges brother I mean it's ridiculous I mean he killed
an innocent person that was doing nothing but his job a young man you know you know providing for himself probably
maybe even his family and and this ass wipe with frosted tips is running around all over you know sending golf supply so
you can go play golf somewhere that's ridiculous answer that this family is one uh this is a this is not a family
tree this is a family pile of [ __ ] well I like that you're getting so worked up
Captain because and I tell you why because like you said earlier people look at the top 10 list and they're like
this guy he killed one person and he's on this list how does he make the list and I I think when you really think
about this crime and think about the guy that perpetrated it this Jason Brown he knew he knew when he woke up that
morning that if he saw the guard he was going to kill the guy for nothing other than just greed just straight up greed
to make off with as much money as he who knows how much he thought he was going to get out of this but regardless of
what he thought he was going to get out of it he took away someone's life took someone away from their family
permanently for fifty thousand dollars well and I'd assume too that these money trucks fall under the same guidelines as
Banks do and so it becomes you know if you rob a bank that's a federal offense and so same with armored vehicles you
are exactly right it is considered a federal offense to rob the armed truck um regarding his family we mentioned his
brother David Brown he was indicted for obstruction of justice um and the the indictment also claims
that he tampered with evidence because he cleaned out Jason's BMW in early December of that year so he was involved
in helping him obtain that other vehicle or switch out those two vehicles right but we know it's his gun we know it's
his fingerprints but again it's obstruction of justice because there's probably more evidence in that car and
and that's what they're angry about now in 2005 the FBI had more than 200 leads in this case the majority of the leads
were from outside of Arizona and dozens were coming from outside of the United States including possible sightings in
Canada well come on Canada help us out here well the FBI says that they have more leads on Jason Brown than anyone
else on the FBI's most wanted list but they said that most of these leads have been unhelpful
um you had mentioned we had mentioned Sean Penn earlier right that he Bears a close resemblance or people have stated
that he looks somewhat like Sean Penn I think a lot of that's coming from his wanted poster that picture of him
wearing the red hoodie that was the picture that was taken of him when he was trying to obtain that conceal and
carry license so that was a relatively recent photo of him right before the crime now in a strange twist here one of
Sean Penn's body doubles was once mistakenly arrested by authorities who thought he was Jason Brown and I'll post
some pictures of Jason Derek Brown on our Instagram page at True Crime garage investigators over the years have been
presented with many different theories regarding where he could be hiding out or the location of Jason Derek Brown one
of the theories that seems to come up a lot with him is that maybe he committed suicide and they've just not found his
body yet right now there's an investigator that's worked this case for many years and he says in in an
interview he says you know what I don't want to get into the psychology of this whole thing I'm not going to try to get
into the criminal's head but he says you know this guy is a narcissist at the highest level he thinks way too much of
himself and he says you know I don't think that this guy would kill himself he was greedy enough to put his life
above anybody else's just to commit a murder out of greed to take fifty six thousand dollars well let's think about
this for a second maybe maybe he's right right he's a narcissist this is a greedy
act you know he a malicious act to you know kill somebody for for what gain for some monetary gain but this is an
individual that you know his appearances important to him you know his hairline is running away from his face you know
he he was driving a BMW he's all about appearances and he can't keep that appearance up so I could see somebody
then coming to the you know reality to go you know well my life was a sham none of these things matter or they shouldn't
have mattered to begin with and and then often himself well and sometimes being on the run for so long it creates its
own stresses and can do things to a person over time there was a credible sighting of him in 2008 this was August
of 2008. a person that knew him recognized Brown at a traffic light in Salt Lake City he said that the person
that brown looked over at him and recognized him back and when this took place that brown ran the traffic light
now so we have a situation where Captain you know there is a reward for everybody
that is on the top 10 list the minimum reward is a hundred thousand dollars they've done doubled the reward for
Jason Derek Brown it's two hundred thousand dollars at this time another theory that the authorities have thrown
out there is that they believe he could possibly be hiding amongst the Mormon Community under an assumed identity
remember he has a lot of traces back to that Salt Lake City area and he was also
seen there in 2008 they believe that he might be living with a woman kind of mooching off of her somebody that may
not know his real identity he seems like the type they also say that it's possible that he did flee the country
and they would believe that he could be living in France or Thailand is also noted I don't know what the the
background is regarding Thailand yeah that seems a little more likely to me I mean you know we talked about that he
was overseas for a small period Well Jason Derrick Brown has gone by many aliases over the years including Jason
Brown Derek Brown Greg Johnson hairline Johnson we also have Greg Johnson and John Brown and Jay Brown so he's used
many names over the years who knows if he's still using one of those names but remember you know if you see anybody on
this list and again we encourage you to go to fbi.gov and check out these this sorry hairline Johnson yeah that's what
we're just going to glaze over that one yeah uh we are but we encourage everybody to go look at the faces of the
people that we mentioned on today's program and tomorrow's program and familiarize yourself with them and their
description you know Jason was listed as five foot ten blonde hair medium build 170 to 180 pounds at the time that he
has fled he has green eyes um again speaks fluent French and maybe using any of those aliases but keep in
mind if you see or you think you have any information regarding somebody that's on this list all these people are
extremely dangerous people these are this is not somebody that you want to approach you want to notify authorities
and let them do their job yes definitely don't don't be going uh Karate Kid on them don't go rough machio on them but
we got a lot more to get to tomorrow and it's getting late so yeah we're up against it and there are several more
people that we want to discuss some open cases that we will discuss on tomorrow's
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For 67 years the FBI has sought the public's assistance in a special way through one of their most effective and longest running publicity programs- the "Ten Most Wanted Fugitives" list. Since 1950, the list has led to the location of almost 500 of our nation's most dangerous criminals. While the list began with bank robbers and murder suspects fleeing jurisdiction, it has evolved into a search for organized crime figures, serial killers, and terrorists. This week we have selected and will discuss a few cases from the FBI's most wanted list. Join us as we join the hunt for America's most wanted fugitives.

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The episode discusses the FBI's Top 10 Most Wanted list and notable fugitives like Jason Derek Brown and Robert William Fisher.

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FBI's Most Wanted List. Exploring the FBI's top 10 most wanted fugitives and their stories.
The Capture of Nesbitt. How two boys identified a fugitive living in a cave.
The Murder of Lori Stout. In 1983, Lori Stout was found murdered in an office building in Austin, Texas. Her case remained unsolved for decades despite evidence pointing to a suspect.
Van Wiese's Fingerprints. After years of investigation, fingerprints matched Robert Van Wiese to the crime scene. However, a lab technician's mistake initially ruled him out.
Van Wiese on the Run. Van Wiese fled the country before he could be apprehended, complicating the investigation further.
FBI's Most Wanted List. In December 2016, Van Wiese was placed on the FBI's most wanted list, leading to his eventual surrender in January 2017.

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