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2009 a 911 call came into the Milford New Hampshire police dispatch at 4:15 a.m. an almost inaudible caller
whispered into the phone something that the dispatcher could not quite make out the call then became an open call but no
one remaining on the line the dispatcher gathered that a robbery or assault was in progress and
sent two responding officers Sergeant Kevin Furlong and officer Eric Wales responded immediately
to the scene at for TR Road in Mount Vernon they arrived at the address a freestanding home and a largely
unsettled area with only a few other homes nearby there was a light on inside but
no one responded at the door through a window the officer could see the body of a child lying on the
ground she was moving slightly Furlong forced his way through the front door which was locked and entered the home
the young girl was covered in stab wounds but she was alive unable to scream for help all she
was able to whisper was they killed my mommy the officer carried the little girl outside and left her with officer
Wales so he could return to the house to see if anyone else was present he followed the trail of blood
where the little girl had dragged herself into the kitchen to the phone and it led to the master
bedroom sure enough in the master bedroom of the ranch style home he found the body of a
woman she was lying on the bed naked from the waist down the scene was gruesome the woman had been hacked to
death no one else was in the home while officer Furlong cleared the house officer whale stayed with the
young girl and waited for EMTs she was able to tell him that two people had come into the home she heard
one of them say grab the jewelry the victims were determined to be 42-year-old Kimberly Kates and her
11-year-old daughter Jamie jimie was taken to Boston Children's Hospital her wounds were
extensive requiring multiple surgeries she would remain in the hospital for several
weeks officer Furlong would require surgery on his shoulder injured as he broke down the door of the Kate's home
to save Jamie jimie was able to tell investigators that she and her mom fell asleep in her mom's bed around 8:30 p.m.
on Saturday night sometime later her mom woke her and asked did you hear that her mom got out of bed and went to
the bedroom door where a man attacked her with a sword Kimberly ran back to the bed to
try to protect Jamie but she was stabbed by the man with the sword and jimie was
stabbed as well a man picked Jamie up and threw her against a glass door where she lay still
pretending to be dead while they killed her mother she opened one eye in time to see
one of the attackers plunge a knife into her mom's throat she told the police that she
remembered two men one was bald and one wore a blue hoodie this is true crime garage and
this is the case of Kimberly and Jamie Kates the Mount Vernon [Music] murder it was a scene of brutal Carnage in a
quiet affluent Suburban town of just 2000 about 60 M from Boston there was only one other known murder in Mount
Vernon and this was way back in 1840 Kimberly worked as a nurse and was an avid Runner and Gardener and her
daughter attended the local elementary school neither of them weighed even 100 lb
investigators discovered that a third person lived at the home this is Kimberly's husband and Jaime's Father
David now statistically the killer was most likely David this the detectives knew they wondered whether David who was
MIA could have murdered his wife and left his little girl for dead perhaps this was another case of a wouldbe
family Annihilator like the Chris Watts case case that we covered in episodes 269 and 270 but investigators Tracked
Down David Kates he was on a business trip in Maryland in fact he traveled for work as a contract engineer for the
government and was gone most weeks this was normal routine stuff he rushed to Boston to be by the side of his daughter
who was in bad shape in the hospital trying to recover from this horrific attack he obviously had nothing to do
with what happened inside that home well in good for him because we have eyewitness that's saying there's at
least two people investigators were able to determine how the Intruder entered the Kate's home the screen on one of the
basement windows was removed and the window was broken a chest was in the basement under the window this is how
the Intruder got out they surmised but they also noted that on the hommes porch the window AC unit had been removed as
if someone had entered through this window so two points of entry into this Home Police also discovered that the
electricity to the house had been shut off at the circuit breaker there was blood on the breaker
switches fresh tire tracks were noted on a dirt area off of tro Road it had just
rained so the tire tracks were fresh and neighbors confirmed that no one had parked there on that Saturday whoever
invaded the Kate's home early Sunday morning likely parked off of the Road near some tractor equipment and walked
to the house to carry out their evil deed on Sunday this is in the afternoon at about 5:15 to 5:20 p.m. as crime
scene techs were still working the horrific scene jimie was in the hospital and Kimberly was in the morg awaiting an
autopsy Amherst police officer Nathan Barry pursued a vehicle that sped off when it observed his Cruiser it had
attracted his attention because it was sitting in an industrial park where some burglaries recently occurred when he
pulled the vehicle over he took the names of two teens in the car this was Christopher Gribble and Steven sper
he questioned the two and then let them go that same evening police got a phone call the caller was Carol Fenton who was
a mother of teenager Kyle Fenton Carol said her son had some interesting things to say a trooper went to the Fenton's
home to interview him in person Kyle Fenton said that earlier that day two friends stopped by his house while he
was hanging out with his buddy Jamie Holland the two told him and Holland that they
had broken into a house the night before in Mount Vernon and killed two people and stolen some stuff Fenton told police
that his friends even showed him in Holland's two knives that they said they used on the victims they also said they
used a machete after the two bragging teens left Fenton and Holland saw a story on
the news about a murder in Mount Vernon Fenton was bothered by this information and told his mother immediately Fenton's
mother then contacted the Amhurst police chief yeah cuz I'm assuming at first when your buddy starts telling you hey
we broke into the house you're thinking yeah right and then your buddy goes oh yeah but but we also killed people and
then you're going yeah that's that sounds crazy you're probably just making this up and then they leave and then you
see this news report and now you're going going well maybe maybe they weren't lying maybe they weren't just
making up a story to freak me out or pull a prank on me like maybe this really happened right you start going
okay either these guys did what they said they did or they have some kind of knowledge of something horrible that
happened the next town over so the two that bragged about the Breakin and attack were 17-year-old Steven sper and
19-year-old Christopher Gribble the same two who had been pulled over by Officer
Barry on the day after the murder two others were named by Fenton this is Billy Marx and Quinn
Glover police started looking for the vehicle registered to Christopher Gribble that they had pulled over
earlier that day they tracked the address to Gribble's home now Gribble wasn't there so Troopers proceeded to
Steven Spader's house where he lived with his parents Trooper John and carnao arrived at the home of Steven sper in
Brookline on October 5th Chris Gribble and Steven sper were just emerging from the house another teen boy named Autumn
seavoy was with them police brought the whole crew in Gribble was dressed entirely in camo gear when they picked
him up they took four pocket knives off of his person meanwhile this is now Monday
October 5th so Quinn Glover and Billy Marx who were named by Kyle Fenton as co-conspirators in this murder well
they're at school apparently Glover was seen crying at school that day a school resource officer from the high school in
Amherst called police that Monday afternoon the resource officer told police that he had been speaking with a
student who had been cutting himself in seemed scared and upset this student reported to him that Quinn Glover and
Billy Marx and two others had threatened him cops met with this student his name
was Elden spikes and he said that he spikes had taken a bunch of drugs the day before
and then hung out with Gribble sper Marx and Glover who were reving in The Murder
they had just committed they openly addressed the murder in fact spikes reported Gribble said quote it was
awesome when he slit the girl's throat sper said he wanted to do it again they all went to the Pheasant Lane Mall to
pawn some stuff that the teens had taken from the Kate's house so let me get this
right this guy gets all high out of his mind doped up on some drugs starts hanging out with his buddies or acquaint
aaint ances or whatever and they start acting like laughing hyenas talking about this murder mhm and so he's
probably getting a little freaked out and so now they go to this mall but the next day he's cutting himself yeah he's
at school freaking out he's crying he's cutting himself he's I mean obviously visibly upset to anyone in his area that
that can witness this boy this student at school he's a mess and when the resource officer starts speaking with
him I'm guessing this is like a a counselor type position where the boy says you know I'm
hanging out with these guys and this is what I like about about this kid here I mean that's very
forthcoming to say look I was I did a bunch of drugs and then these these friends of mine or people that I know
start telling me all this crazy stuff right they're they're they're saying they killed somebody and they enjoyed it
and they would do it again right and depending on what drugs he he would do some could make you more paranoid well
it's also not like an illusion or anything like that I mean you you have to question that when you're talking to
a young person and or anybody that said hey I took a whole bunch of drugs and then this happened but there's details
inside of this story that would cause anyone to believe regardless if you believe or don't believe you're
reporting this to somebody and the details are hey they all went to a a mall with the purpose of pawning things
that they stole from the house where they say that they murdered some people right which would be direct evidence
that these kids were in that house correct so the items that were I don't have a a full list of what was pawned or
what they were attempting to pawn because it sounds like they were not able to sell everything that they took
with them but some of the items included things like Rings bracelets and so on which we already have the
Survivor her statement was that she heard someone say get the jewelry so this also goes along with our
investigation they also showed spikes a machete that was in the trunk of one of the vehicles that they had and just to
back up a second a lot of pod shops or jewelry shops will be told about a crime if they believe that
something was taken of value to be on the lookout mhm you can take it in but once you take it in please contact us so
we can then take a look at the item I was in a pawn shop not too long ago and an officer came in looking for some
items in particular which I piqued my interest I thought was did you empty your pockets and go here it is off they
weren't questioning me they were looking for these items in the never shop you never know all right Captain so not only
do these guys show spikes this machete and they show it to him it's in the trunk of one of the vehicles they also
tell them that the machete was very recently covered in blood but they soaked it in ammonia and
bleach then when this whole group they're back at Spike's house on Sunday night his girlfriend called and said
that she had heard some rumors and she asked if Billy Marx was involved in a crime spikes told her yes and this group
of guys were all boasting about this murder then Glover's girlfriend called sper and yelled at him for killing
someone sper then threatened spikes with a knife and accused him of being a snitch Gribble also got out two knives
and the two Advanced on spikes in a you know in a threatening manner he ran around the car and Glover intervened to
protect him Marx then took took him home spikes was of course shaken up by this and ratted to the resource officer the
next day at school this will bring us back to the police Interview police interviewed both Billy Mars and Quinn
Glover separately after school Quinn said he had been asleep on the night of October 3rd and 4th but then admitted
that he was with Marx sper and Gribble driving around Mont Veron but then he lawyered up and refused to say anything
else to the police cops did some digging into this kid Quinn and found that he was a Mormon he was a singer and a
guitar player who performed at church functions and he worked as a handyman at the church so they instantly arrested
him and gave him a life sentence for playing those good Mormon songs Billy Marx gave police a little more
information than Quinn he admitted that he was at the tro road housee with Gribble sper and Glover okay so now we
have something alarming something that the police were looking for directly we got this kid and he's talking Welly we
have a bunch of kids and they're talking to a lot of people but at least now one
is talking to the cops yeah Billy Marx says Hey I was with this Gribble kid sper and Glover we were all at this trow
Road house and we were armed with knives he said that on the way there Steven sper said quote we are about to do the
most evil thing this town has ever seen end quote marks at 5' 3 in tall was the smallest of the
couret when they broke into the home they broke into the basement of the house and because he's the smallest
they're going to have him squeeze through this tiny window he he's now inside of the house
in the basement but he cannot get upstairs the others broke into the house through the
porch and one of them let him in someone cut the power while checking out an empty
bedroom in the dark house he heard a woman's voice saying Jamie is that you and you don't have to do this sper
called to him told him to come into the master bedroom but he says he could not see anything until Glover turned the
circuit breaker in the hallway back on then he says that he saw a woman and a young girl both of whom already looked
to be dead he left the room then took some stuff and they all changed out of their clothes and they went home now I
want to tell everybody here right now that what you're getting from this kid what
he is telling to police billy Marx he's admitting to being at the home where a murder took place he's admitting to
being involved but you're also getting kind of a vague story right I had to squeeze into the basement I've heard
some things upstairs but I was not in the room when anything went down when I get into the room these people appear to
be dead to me yeah I mean this kid's a real ass fruit but he is talking to Cops and then it makes you wonder as the
investigator is he telling you the truth is it is he just trying to get this off
of his chest or is he telling us part truths and omitting himself from the actual crime right and we have
investigators here that know that this kid is being conveniently vague about some of the details of what he knows and
so they're going to press him some more and after being pressed pressured by these investigators Marx admitted that
in fact the four of them had entered the master bedroom together before the attack went down he says it was dark and
they were using an iPod that they found inside the home as a light this he says is when the woman in
the bed said Jamie is that you so the first story is he hears this while he's in another part of the house Second
Story I'm now in the room with these other three yahoos and we entered at the same time and yes I saw the woman when
she was alive I heard the woman say Jamie is that you yeah if you could imagine you have one or two individuals
right by the door and the other two right behind them kind of like what's happening so I don't think at any point
was this um was any of these individuals separated from the group and this is the
middle of the night so so our victims here unfortunately they're sleeping in the same room in the same bed mother and
daughter and husband and father is out of town so this is again probably pretty routine stuff for them well it's
probably the reason why the mom didn't mind her daughter that's 11 years old sleeping in the bed with her well and
that's why she's going to say Jamie is that you she's she wakes up she doesn't know what's going on she hears a noise
or perhaps Hears A noise and see someone in the doorway and of course she's going
to assume it's her daughter returning to the bedroom or leaving the bedroom but we know sadly that it is
not this is when we have Billy Marx says as soon as he heard the woman say Jamie is that you that
Steven sper attacked the woman with the machete that sper brought with him to the crime scene he says that Gribble
then attacked the girl and threw her up against the glass door markx also told police that the day
after the murder which at the time they believed was two murders and we know this because they bragged about having
killed two people to several of their friends right they didn't know that the little
girl was alive that she survived he says that the day after the murder the group they met up and sper
and Gribble joked about what they had done the night before at Glover's house on the evening of the 4th sper said we
broke up a family isn't this great Marx later admitted that he helped Scout the tro Road as a location for a Breakin on
the Thursday before the crime he and sper drove out to tro Road and selected the house next door to the Kate's house
so this would have been six Trove road which was a large and expensive looking house this was their intended
target but on the night of the crime they changed to the Kate's house because it had no security system they selected
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listening and cheers to you Colonel oh well thank you Mr Capone all right Billy marks he's talking a little bit to the
police he's we call him Billy farts there we go he's telling them some of the things that they want to hear
because they've been to the crime scene they know the facts of the things that they've seen at the crime scene he's
starting to fill in some of the blanks again a little conveniently vague but now starting to open up with a little
more details one very interesting detail that he told investigators was he said that about a week before the Kate's
murder he along with sper and Gribble while they're sitting around discussing conducting some home break-ins in the
middle of the night and it was during these discussions again a week before that they all agreed that if they
encountered someone or anyone inside the home during one of the break-ins they would kill everyone in the house police
pulled the records for this gang of clowns Billy Marx together with Steven sper had been arrested just a month
before this was for the possession of marijuana the two were arrested together again back in June of 2009 MH this is
after chasing a group of teens in another car and then ramming the vehicle okay I get the marijuana charge
and I also get teenagers horse around right but Vehicles car chases ramming other cars that's some dangerous
Reckless stuff yeah but they could have been an accident you're horsing around and next thing you know oh my car hit
your car it could have been but it sounds to me with what they were charged with and and convicted of in that now
what in right and now what we do know about these individuals that it seems to me that they probably threaten to Ram
their car and then followed through with that threat mhm now Steven sper had a pretty lengthy record for a
17-year-old this included some domestic incidents stealing a car stereo Criminal
Trespass disorderly conduct and resisting detention and supposedly he was a really good kid wasn't he adopted
yes he was a good kid and then I don't know what happened like it was like a light switch like it flipped the script
and he he turned into this different person yeah that's what his adopted family always said was he was real good
and pretty quiet and then all of a sudden it was just like a light switch went off and instead of going in the
right direction he started going in the wrong direction and I think by acting up
he was getting attention but just not obviously positive attention yeah and also he had a charge Steven sper had a
charge for interfering with the custody of a minor this related to Spader's 17-year-old girlfriend whose father had
obtained a restraining order against sper back in February of 2009 3 months after obtaining the
restraining order this girl Chelsea Cummings is her name and Steven sper ran away together how romantic the Father
Peter Cummings pressed charges and sper pled guilty to criminal trespass charges
and the more serious charges were dropped Peter told the Boston channel.com that Steven sper was a
nightmare who would not go away sper continued to see Chelsea who eventually got pregnant the two posted on Facebook
about their impending wedding plann for December 2009 40 guests had already been
invited but after the murder Chelsea posted just so the world is aware this will never happen oh good for her the
baby was born in January 2010 while Steven sper was in jail for murder very similar to West Memphis 3 Chelsea has
cut ties with Steven sper according to Spader's mother now we could not find records for
Quinn Glover or Chris Gribble looks like neither were arrested for anything significant before this Breakin and
murder all right so we've been talking about these four kids that they're questioning but wasn't there five yeah
they actually picked up five okay so they picked up another kid named Autumn seavoy and this is simply because at the
time when they went to pick up Gribble and sper this kid is with them this Autumn seavoy they're going to interview
him just as they would the other four sooy told the cops that no Steven sper and Chris Gribble could not have
murdered murdered anyone on Saturday night because they went to his house they showed up around 2:00 a.m. that
night they smoked some pot and they all went to sleep mhm but he didn't stick to
this story for very long because under pressure from the police who keep in mind already had different information
from Kyle Fenton and Elden spikes that Gribble and sper bragged about the murder they pushed this kid a little
more and sooy admitted the following two investigators he said that very late on
the night of Saturday October 3rd Gribble and sper left seo's home saying they were going to murder someone he
thought they were joking sooy texted sper asking him if he was doing a job okay so keep in mind they're vocal about
this after the fact they're vocal about this before they go out yeah they're picking out a house a week before they
were vocal that they were going to break into someone's home they tell this other
kid we're going out to murder someone seavoy after these kids leave his house he texts sper asking him if he was quote
doing a job which he says means a burglary or robbery at that time right sper responds to this text at 1:30 a.m.
that says busy will hit you when I can Gribble and sper arrived at seo's house shortly after 530 in the
morning they had called beforehand and woke seavoy up they told him they selected a house in a remote area with
no security to burglarize and then they killed two people while robbing the house right
while detailing the events of their evening sper and Gribble showed seavoy the machete he could see blood on the sheath
and he saw blood on a filet knife the two showed him the two were wearing different clothes at this time remember
they left his house then they come back now they're wearing different clothing they had the clothes that they were
wearing during the attack and the weapons used as well as gloves but all of these items were in a black trash bag
Gribble and sper asked seavoy if they could burn the items at his house seavoy says no you cannot it was decided by the
group that they would throw all of the items in the nashille river they all drove to the river and seavoy was the
actual one who took the bag and tossed it in he says this was around 7 a.m. then they went to the convenience
store nearby to get a snack sooy agreed to show the police where he had thrown the bag in the river and of course they
get out there and the bag is still there it's caught up against a tree just a little ways down
river nearby were floating two jewelry boxes and some sneakers in a wallet containing the name David Kates in the
trash bag were discovered clothes with spers and gribbles names on the tags that their mothers or someone had
probably swn into the tags right so just between the four kids they got a lot of
information getting people to turn on each other now this fifth kid is giving them a lot more information great
eyewitness great person that you can take to trial but not only top on top of that what he's telling you you know is
true because you're finding evidence to back that up yeah and he's in involving himself in the crime but not putting
himself at the crime scene he's saying yes they they were at my house beforehand at my house afterward and I
help them dispose of evidence yeah but that's great that's great if you're a law enforcement because then you're
going Hey listen listen up jack wagon if you don't tell us all this stuff and testify in court we'll put you away for
something well we still have the two ring leaders so to speak to talk about we have haven't got to their interviews
yet so around 100 p.m. on the 5th Chris Gribble was mirandized and informed that
he was not under arrest he agreed to the interview and he agreed that it would be
recorded he initially denied any involvement in the Breakin and the murder he gave Trooper in carnao a song
and dance story about how they just went to Walmart drove around bought some jewelry at a yard sale and then decided
to pawn it at the mall so he's not only coming up with some kind of Alibi as to they were doing something different but
he's explaining away other evidence right Officer in Cario told Gribble they needed him to stay while they obtained a
search warrant for his DNA while they're waiting to obtain said warrant Gribble starts asking questions and he wants to
know whether the crimes they were investigating were eligible for the death penalty he was told by the trooper
that he did not believe so and then Gribble agreed to talk he said he now wanted to tell the
story of what happened but would only talk to incarn niio officer incarn niio recorded this
statement he told the police that the crimes were a conspiracy he and his friend Steven SP
were both Psychopaths the two had robbed a house near sp's home just a week before once
they spent the money they got from a pawn shop for the item stolen in that robbery they decided they wanted to do
it again so sper and Billy marks scouted out a house on tro Road in Mount Vernon
because it was in a remote location less likely to be seen in his interview remember Billy marks admitted that he
had been on this outing scouting out which house to hit sper and Gribble agreed that if anyone was home during
the Breakin they would kill them quote for fun all four of them Gribble Marx sper
and Glover were in on the plan it would become clear that this was a planned event thought out in advance
preparations were made and precautions were taken and the plan included murder as stated in the
affidavit they all knew that the plan was to break into a house and kill anyone if there were residents home the
plan was that Autumn seavoy would be their Alibi Gribble went on to detail what exactly had happened on the night
Kimberly Kates was killed all right well let's get into what he told investigators Chris Gribble told the
investigators that he and sper met the other co-conspirators Marx and Glover at Walmart after midnight on October 4th
right sper had forbidden any of them from drinking or doing drugs he said that he wanted everyone to be totally
lucid and sharp for what they were about to do they all got into Chris Gribble's
car after changing into different clothing and yawning gloves Gribble drove them all to tro Road dropped them
at the house that they had selected and then parked his car in a turnout down a hill near a
tractor they all left their cell phones in the vehicle mhm at some point it was decided to change the target house the
teens intended to break into the larger home near the Kate's home but changed their minds selected the home where
Kimberly and Jamie were sleeping because it did not have a security system they broke into the basement
window they lowered Billy Marx the little guy in but he couldn't figure out how to get upstairs into the main part
of the house this apparently is because the door to the basement was locked so what
they had to do was they had to pull him back out of the basement window and they decided
to take the air conditioner unit that was located in a window on the porch out of the window and go through that window
sper went in first and let the others inside the home sper had with him a machete and Gribble carried a knife did
the other two know that they had these weapons before they even got to the house not only did they know that these
other two had the weapons but remember at least one of them has had the discussion and agreed that they're going
to kill anybody inside the home plus the two themselves have knives in their hands because it's not that uncommon I
know these guys are a little bit older but it's not that uncommon for 14 15y old 16 year olds to to dress up and all
black or camo gear and go around the neighborhood maybe egging a house house or toilet papering somebody yeah or just
or just being out after curfew goofing around mhm but when you go hey we we're going to break into a house that's
that's another level and then but I could see some of these kids going okay yeah we're going to break into the house
no big deal but even when your buddies are going well but if there's somebody there we're going to kill them and not
really taking that that serious like w you know that that'd be like going around and we're like Hey we're going to
TP this house but hey if the owner comes out we'll kill him you wouldn't believe
your friend would actually kill the guy that came out you'd believe your friend's just going to run away maybe
not and and I agree 100% with everything that you're saying the thing that's really terrifying here is that we're
only getting short little cleaned up versions of the story from the actual perpetrators right and you know what
they do they're willing to admit to certain things and tell you most of the story but they don't want to look like
the monster themselves right and what we do have is we have at least two stories
of people that are saying they were in the vehicle when sper said the words tonight we're going to do the most evil
thing this town has ever seen or something to that level right what's left out of that that's what they're
saying he says in the vehicle what's left out of that is it's clear it should be clear to any of these idiots that
have had these discussions of yes we're breaking into a home and yes we're going
to kill whoever we find inside the home or whoever tries to stop us that while we're on our way there if I wasn't
believing it before and now I hear this guy say tonight we're going to do one of
the most evil things that this town has ever seen yeah if that that statement to
me means that this guy he's probably legit about what he says his intentions seem real and what's even more scary is
that it sounds like this group is expecting to find people in the home right you know what I mean it's not like
it's not like if we find someone in the home we're picking a home that we think there is someone there and we've already
agreed we're doing this thing yeah cuz but my dumbass if I'm in that vehicle and he yells we're going to do the most
evil thing this town has ever seen I'd be thinking we're going to take a massive [ __ ] and a brown paper bag and
light that son of a [ __ ] on fire and run for our lives but that's OB but I also would be interested like you were
saying they talked about the Breakin way before this MH and how much did that um conversation entail if we
found somebody would kill somebody and at some point those are people that you would want to separate yourself from
separate yourself from and I think that it would take an awfully big person to do this because you know we've all
been to high school and um we understand peer pressure and things like that and wanting to be accepted by our friends
but not only separate yourself from these individuals but probably warn somebody be it a parent teacher or law
enforcement that hey this is what these kids are saying they're going to do someone needs to intervene and and speak
with them and figure out is this is this something that's real right I mean you can't uh let let's continue on because
that's that's a whole different Road there that we could easily go down but as you pointed out as we were discussing
Captain these four guys are now entering this home and all of them are armed they
all have bladed weapons with them SP sper has the machete once they inside they turn off
the circuit breaker that was located in the hallway of the home this to obviously cut the power no
electricity they searched some empty bedrooms using the light from an iPod that they found on a docking station
inside the home then sper opened the door to the master bedroom and the woman in the room said Jamie is that you she
tried to turn on a lamp but they had already cut the power then as Gribble put it sper started hacking the woman
Gribble said in his interview quote Steve was just hacking away he just lost it I was controlled but I didn't really
feel much of anything I thought I would but I didn't he said I was actually kind
of scared of him he just kept hacking at the bed I was backing off because Steve
was losing it the child in the bed jumped up and Gribble stabbed her in the face and chest purr the affidavit quote
Gribble tried to stab the girl in the heart to kill her he then threw her against the glass door Gribble assumed
the girl was dead the mother was still gurgling Gribble stabbed the mother in the neck and chest to try to kill her
sper then went over to the girl and kicked her with his Boot and gave her a whack with a machete they checked the
woman to make sure she was dead but no one checked the girl the murderous teens seem to relish the killing of a woman
and a child they didn't give it a second thought after they were done with the killing they searched the home for items
to steal they went to the car they changed out of their clothes and they put them in a trash bag in the
trunk on the car ride home as if they're celebrating some fan fantastic achievement they're all smoking cigars
is that a euphemism no they're they're actually smoking cigars now they dropped marks off at his car that was located at
the Walmart so again it's you're getting these stories little bits and there are
some little nuggets of Truth in there but it's just insane what these what these four kids just did
right smoking cigars celebrating the murder of they believe they've killed two people oh and a woman and a child at
this point mind you right smoking cigars and then let's drop this this guy off at
his car at Walmart and then the three of them they continue on now we have sper Gribble and Glover still in the vehicle
they go to seo's house remember he's the fifth kid that they picked up who is not
at the crime scene right but has been questioned by police they say when they get back to seo's house they told him
the whole story of what they did they show him the items that they stole and they said look you're expected to be our
Alibi we were here the whole time we weren't out doing any of this stuff that we just told you about sper told seavoy
that he carved the word die in a a piece of wood on the porch I'm I'm guessing this would be a post or pillar type
thing on the porch on his porch on the porch of the house that they hit then seavoy threw the garbage bag
containing the bloody clothes and gloves and some of the items stolen from the house into the river as said earlier
after disposing of this evidence and eating the snack they went back to zao's house and checked the NASA Telegraph
online to read about their handiwork they're checking the news to see if anybody's yeah like they're getting on
this right it was then that they learned that the girl was still alive remember they thought they killed everybody in
the house this caused some obvious tension within the group yeah because they're now aware that she's alive what
did she see did she know any of them well and two of them they start berading Gribble so sper and then seavoy the guy
who wasn't even there they're harassing Gribble for failing to kill the girl well so that shows you how big of a pile
of [ __ ] he he is even though he didn't go oh man you should have killed that girl well and mind you it it's it's
clear and obvious now that this guy even though he wasn't there he was fully a A
Ware of what he was told their intentions were and said I will cover for you and whether he believed it or
not he said he would cover for them and when then they come back from doing what
they told him they would do right he continues to cover for them and now as you're pointing out big giant piece of
[ __ ] seavoy and sper they are harassing Gribble for failing to kill the kid and
and yeah I'd like to take the all five of these kids and put them in a brown paper bag and light them on fire and put
them on somebody's porch well and and forgive me everyone out there I'm simply repeating the words of an obvious
monster but we have a a story to tell and it's sad and it's true but what sper said to Gribble was quote at least
I killed my [ __ ] right Gribble then told invest instigators that the plan all along had in fact been to kill
whomever they found in the house from the arrest affid David quote yeah wait but hold on a second you're so [ __ ]
tough that you show up to a house that they're not uh suspecting that you're going to come break into their house and
you're going to show up and you brought a Knife Fight to a fist fight and or a machete or whatever and then you you
wake them up you are start not even a fight these people are unaware that any of this is going to go down and then you
start attacking them in their sleep oh you're so [ __ ] tough you idiot you know Jesus Christ all right from the
arrest affidavit quote Steve and I are pretty messed up people I'll be perfectly honest I've wanted to kill
someone for a long time it's a it's like an urge and it was kind of a time that I
thought I could get it out he said continuing on quote but I thought at least I would feel bad about it I'm
almost sorry to say I don't I'm not sure why but I'll be honest with you I can't
say I was sorry about it I just felt nothing it was kind of cool because it was different but I'm not really sure if
I have a conscience anymore Gribble stated his only regret was that he did not kill the child he said if he had
realized that she was alive he would have killed her quote I'm kind of surprised that she's alive I kind of
wish she died for her sake just because she's going to have to live with all of that
now if I'm going to kill someone he says I'm going to actually do it so they don't have to sit and live with a bunch
of trauma I've been through so much trauma I don't want someone to go through that so if I can just end it for
them I would if I had realized she was still alive I would have ended it for her because there was no way she could
recognize us as far as we knew so we didn't really care about that part again just pointing out the depravity and the
sickness of these individuals they're not even killing for the sake of getting away with the other crimes right his own
words are we never there was no reason reason for us to believe that this kid would be able to identify any of us it's
killing the people in the house for the sake of killing them right not not to well if they wake up we will'll have to
we'll have to kill them to protect our identities the criminal motivation at one point in the discussions that were
had well in advance before these crimes were committed was to break in steal and
Rob from a family that motivation changed at some point into murder and they all agreed to do it and it's what
they did so what else did Gribble say in his interview well this is weird he expressed surprise to the investigators
when the investigators informed him that Jamie the 11-year-old was a black belt and he says really the girl honestly was
a black belt this is just surprising to me because she didn't really put up any struggle right you attacked her in her
her sleep you idiot right he says I mean she was Brave to actually jump up and run I mean I think most kids would
probably just kind of blubber for their mom but she did try to run for the door if I hadn't been there she would have
gotten away probably it's kind of cool 11 years old and a black belt I'm impressed Gribble then asked about the
girl's condition officer in carosio said that he did not know her condition thank
you officer uh one of course her condition was in flux right they're trying to save this this young girl's
life right but thank you to the officer for not giving this dude any satisfaction be it if the girl's
condition were bad good or improving or otherwise you don't deserve to know you don't get to know anything bub right
well on top of that this would be a very tough day in the office because there would be so much like you're you're in a
a room alone with this scum and he's he has the nerve to say things like oh I'm surprised she was a black belt she never
put up much of a fight at some point I'd have to leave and say look I can't do this anymore because I would love to put
my hands around his neck for just a little bit and just talk [ __ ] to him well Gribble goes on to tell the officer
okay I'm just curious to see how she's doing I kind of feel like now that I hope that she gets better so I mean how
how thoughtful of of Chris Gribble to all of a sudden care about people now per the nasua telegraph quote Gribble
also said that sper had started his own Brotherhood the Disciples of Destruction
and the Mount Vernon murder was something of a test for Gribble and the other potential members this being Quinn
Glover and William Marx he said that he had gone along with lying to the police because he was worried that sper might
have killed him sper he said was quote the real deal right and just to dive a little further into Chris Gribble and
his personality we want to play you a clip from the trial and this is Chris Gribble's father talking about his son
and did your wife go to meet with Chris at the jail she we were able to he was able to meet with her twice or on
Christmas and new New Years um he had expressed a very clear desire repeated multiple times through your office that
he had no desire to meet with her and I had sent him letters saying you know it's Christmas would you like to meet
with could your mom and brother come up and meet okay we saw him on Christmas Eve and we saw him uh the following week
on New Year's Eve that those were the only times that she saw him you said you saw Chris up until July of last uh and
when we talk about you your wife going to see him that was the previous Christmas not this most recent Christmas
but Christmas before that that's correct and you said you had met with him up until July of this past summer yes
and then he said he didn't want to meet with you anymore yes did he ever give you any sort of um reasonable
explanation as to why he didn't want to meet with you anymore a reasonable explanation yes I don't think it was
reasonable no what was the explanation that he gave you um I had offended him he uh had asked me
what I thought of him uh and I said I think that you're so involved in your own problems and how D
and how how difficult they are that you fail to see that there are a lot of other people out there who are hurting
and your belief is that because you're you're going through much worse things than they are by being in jail that they
should ignore what they're going through and and come and see you I see as I recall I told him that he suffered from
center of the universe syndrome and at that point he said well then maybe I don't want to see you
anymore hung up the phone and walked away from the uh visiting area and so today in court is this the first time
you've seen him since last July other than pictures yes other than pictures on TV no we don't we haven't
watched the news since he was arrested but occasionally the uh front page of the paper has a picture sometimes that's
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Brief Summary

The episode recounts the brutal murder of Kimberly and Jamie Kates, focusing on the investigation and confessions of the teenage attackers.

Key points

A Gruesome Discovery. Officers find a young girl covered in stab wounds and her mother murdered.
Teenagers Brag About Murder. Two teens confess to a friend about breaking into a house and killing two people.
The Night of the Crime. A family is attacked in their home while they sleep, leading to tragic consequences.
Planning the Break-In. The group discusses their intentions to kill anyone they encounter during their break-ins.
Confessions and Evidence. One of the accomplices provides crucial details about the crime and helps police find evidence.
The Murderous Teens' Celebration. After committing a horrific crime, the teens celebrate with cigars, showing a chilling lack of remorse.

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Episode quotes

They killed my mommy.

A young girl whispers to the officer after being rescued.

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