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investigation into missing college campus student Judy Martin's case today let's start off by talking about some of
the things that was done in the early parts of the investigation we done however this is after she's been missing
for 7 Days on May 31st a review of The Radio log and vehicle registrations run that night are made officers are spoken
to who were working on the night in question nothing out of the ordinary is reported security officer Matt stro is
spoken with he can't remember anything unusual from that night he did report that he is familiar with Ms Martin and
that she is prone to travel in late night hours riding a light blue 10speed bicycle stro also stated that she was
supposedly dressed in hooker's attire again his words on numerous occasions and was seen with males associated with
the drug culture the Lilac House Commons and Taylor Hill area were searched with
negative results officers investigated the following they checked those radio logs vehicle registrations and checked
for student status at that time the student security Aid incident reports for May 23rd and 24th were all checked
all vehicles passing the Midway and theater intersections were stopped on this day and questioned to see if they
saw anything strange on the 23rd or the 24th the Bike Room at inlan Hall was checked for a blue male 10-speed bike
the one that Judy would have owned never found Taylor Hall architecture students
were monitored for anyone who may have been there on May 23rd 24th and they checked the roof of dunar
the boiler room and all exterior entrances a ground search from Dunbar to Engleman was conducted at this time so
we're seeing ground searches here captain we're seeing that they're searching the buildings they're checking
anything that could be some kind of paper trail to either find and locate Judy or to find locate someone that may
have seen something or heard something or somebody that should be a suspect in this case they're coming up with nothing
here well a couple things College these guys she's known to be seen with guys in
the drug scene it's College the whole place is the drug scene where's this bike at why can't we find this bike the
bike to me has always been a big question this was her you know mode of transportation while on
campus the bike from my understanding has never been recovered in fact that was one of the questions that I asked La
enforcement when we spoke with them has the bike ever been recovered and they said no but part of that though too they
kind of said that the bike to them is not of great concern not 40 years later it would have been back then and they
said yes it would have been nice to have located that bike but they wonder that with her missing
we don't know where the last place she left the bike would be if it was under lock and key of course it would have
been found but it could be simply somebody stole a bike or simply someone took the bike they should know where
it's at I think the reason why it's not of great importance to them all these years later is because of that night and
the stories that they have from Witnesses some of them suspects some of them not but independent witnesses that
say that she was not using the bike that night yeah but here's my problem when you say she had about a football
field to two football field lengths to go back home that's enough to get on your bike but then once you put that
individual on the bike then to me the radius in which you need to search is a lot further away because she has the
capability of oh if I'm if she wanted to go a couple miles down the street to a bar or something she obious viously has
the means to do so detectives in law enforcement will spend the following day conducting more of their investigation
and part of the day starts off with them calling everyone in Judy's address book
no new information was gathered from those calls now detectives physically searched wooded areas that surrounded
the university a dozen security AIDS assisted in this search so they have multiple Detectives along with at least
according to the statement a dozen security AIDs that are helping with this search from my understanding from what
I've been told Captain is that the grounds the campus looks much different today than it did back then and for my
understanding is that you could walk 20 yards in one direction from some of these dorm buildings and be entering the
woods or be right in the middle of a wooded area and a lot more lights now they also searched dunar print
andelman Hall and all the wooded areas that surrounded the health center and across from Manchester Hall I guess
there's a coal dump area off of Roads Road r h o d s road that was searched as well on that day but like you stated uh
Judy she went to the all boy dorm room and there was at least five individuals that we know spoke with her so where are
we at on questioning them you're right Captain because now's the point where you've spoke with them at least once or
twice before now you need to follow up on those interviews because maybe someone hasn't been truthful or maybe
somebody remembered something of importance from that night so they speak with John Becky again and this time he
says that Judy came back to his room later that night at some point that night and she ret reved portions of her
outfit that she was wearing that night the glasses the wig and I believe the trench coat but the the statement there
it's hard to read so it's it's tough for me to translate what what that other word is but at least his statement says
that she came back to his dorm retrieved the glasses and the wig and she put them
back on and then left this is interesting here because this actually contradicts his statement that he he
gave to them before remember he says the slight variation being that he with a friend left to go to 711 and that he
gave these items to her before they left before he and the friend left we also have Jim kic who is interviewed again
and in this interview he's basically saying all the same stuff he does say that uh he signs a voluntary consent to
have his car and his room searched and they do follow up on this and they say that no signs of violence or any
evidence was found in either of his vehicle or his room at this time he does agree to take a polygraph now we've
mentioned polygraph several times already in this investigation and throughout our story and what I want to
point out here is there are a lot of people that do end up taking polygraphs what we are seeing in the initial
portion of this investigation Captain is people agreeing to a polygraph so when we say that someone agreed to a
polygraph that doesn't mean that they were immediately sat down and administered the test right then and
there or even that same day right here's where we come to another interesting and
kind of strange portion or event in our timeline this is on June 2nd 1978 so she's been missing for over a week at
this point and the report that police get is that Judy allegedly was reported to be at a
garage sale and while she's at the garage sale hey little little bit of self-promotion here we're always having
a garage sale at true Crim garage.com click on the store Page Judy is allegedly at this garage sale she's
speaking with the homeowners that are conducting the sale and she tells them that she was thinking about going to
South America or to Mexico and also mentions hitchhiking maybe that's going to be her method of getting to South
America or Mexico and she was purchasing some garments some clothing items for this trip or at least the people holding
the garage sale believed that's why she was purchasing these items again just like the other eyewitness that thought
he saw her get into a vehicle these individuals didn't know Judy personally that's correct they only know of her
because of the missing person's case in the Flyers and the News That's in the newspapers later that same day a man
named Jeff reported to police that he picked up a girl that he saw walking on May 31st she was out hitchhiking Jeff
says he does not know this girl's name but he picked her up offered her a ride and states that he took her to Taco
Fiesta sounds like a restaurant and Main Street and she stated during the course
of this car ride that she was going to get some shots so that she could go to Mexico or South America this is
interesting because it's kind of it's in line with the garage sale story but again we don't know that it means that
it's actually Judy or not but now we have the garage sale people and this Jeff guy coming forward independently of
one another both saying that they believe they may have spoke to and seen Judy after she supposedly had
disappeared but let's go back to her on again off again boyfriend Jimmy Jim Young on this day captain on June
2nd he is interviewed at Avon Lake Police Department and they they tape the interview from this interview they learn
more about Mr Jim young and during the interview he does consent to searches of his car and his apartment which were
later conducted and they report negative results meaning they found nothing of evidentiary value in either search but
during this interview Captain Jim Young tells the police because he's asked during this interview do you own any
firearms and he says yes I own several Firearms but apparently shortly before Judy's
disappearance he shot out the window of his apartment like accidentally fired the gun or the gun went off and it shot
out his window you'll shoot your eye out kid now he tells them I own several firearms and and you the police should
know that because after I accidentally shot out my window you confiscated all of my guns because I have a pending
trial for this incident so all of his guns were in police custody at the time that Judy went missing he also states
that he does not have any knowledge of Judy using any hard drugs young also states that Judy told him that she was
seeing someone at k State who was in Roc and that he was a nice guy but did not know the name of this individual one
thing that I find interesting here too Captain is that Jim young also states to police and detectives that he wouldn't
think that Judy would run away that she would take off on her own he said yeah she was impulsive at times and she would
like to do you know fun or wild things at times he goes she is spontaneous that was not her personality is what he was
saying that that he that she wouldn't just take off and I find that interesting because he is very much
considered a suspect at that time and for him to state that it's almost eliminating an out that he might have if
he in fact did do something bad that if he is responsible in any way for her disappearance well same with the hard
drugs but a key thing here we've talked about polygraph test and please don't throw tomato or eggs at me we we all
have the same suspicions of these tests but it should be noted when we are going
to talk about these that Jim young took a polygraph test and he actually took his polygraph test at
BCI yeah so at the BCI office there's if you want to set a bar High it would be tough to set it any higher than that for
portions of Ohio well I think one of the main reasons why me and you don't like him as a as the number one suspect would
be the distance away yeah he may not have an alibi for that night he says that he was home it was it was the
middle of the week he said he was home doing normal stuff he had to work that day work the next morning he said I
don't really have anybody that can verify that I was at home because I was at home by myself but according to BCI
he passes the polygraph test and as you just pointed out Captain he's at minimum
an hour's Drive away where we have several individuals by their own admissions that they were there with her
that night close to the time that she magically disappears so it's just another obstacle that gets in the way to
make him a suspect of any priority over these others so normally I like the boyfriend or the ex lover to be looked
at pretty hard but I think in this case the distance and also I like the fact that he is the one that points out look
she's not somebody to run away to me if you want to if you're guilty you're going to go you're going to throw out
the kitchen sink well she could have ran away with this other guy she could have
she always wanted to live in Chicago you know just make up a bunch of random stories to get the cops looking all over
the place and he's very Cooperative with the investigation it seems to me I get the impression that that this is a guy
that did care for her at one time probably still cared for her and he's just trying to help I think he's the
closest to being ruled out but obviously they're not ruling out individuals in this the case are you
ready for some more strange yeah in the timeline down for some strange yeah to me this is one of
the more bizarre points in the or events in the timeline on June 2nd detective Ross Jamerson of the this this is weird
because now we're going to see a whole different agency we've talked about Avon Lake Police Department the Kent State
Police Department this when you have this kind of case going on this is receiving some media attention and what
it looks like to me reviewing the file here Captain is that we have people that want to
help that they see something or hear something they want to pass along the information to the proper
channels they just don't know who to report it to mhm so now we're going to see a third agency get involved and this
is detective Jamerson of the Portage County Sheriff's Office who calls to advise that Daryl Dunlop their
dispatcher at the Sheriff's Office received a call from WHL radio that's a radio station that's
still around today from my understanding advis that they received an anonymous call from a male caller who stated that
Judy Martins could be located buried under a stack of pine branches a quarter of a mile from a burned down cabin at
Pippen Lake this would be in Towners Woods Park area in Brady lake off of Ravina Road detective Jamerson also
stated that an individual named Jack gray has been hanging around campus in the courthouse house in Ravina talking
about Towners woods and that this Jack gray said that he had done something bad in Towners woods so the sheriff's office
is calling to report two things these are I I don't want them to get mixed together these are two different things
there's an anonymous caller that called into a radio station claiming to know where Judy was buried and also there's
this weirdo guy who's hanging around the campus or and the courthouse and he's saying that he had done something bad in
Towners woods so this is just this detective doing his due diligence pointing out like this Anonymous call
came in we're not saying it's from this Jack gray right we're simply saying that
we also have an individual that said he did something bad in Towners Woods which
is a similar you know it's generally it's the same location as where this Anonymous caller is saying you would
find the body of our missing individual well with technology and some a little bit of Poli work maybe they're able to
identify this Anonymous caller well and what was great too Captain was the DJ that took the call the anonymous call
did try to pry some information from the caller he said hey hey what's your 20 hey we're playing rock and roll all
night wnbc wnbc so they interview the DJ and they talk with anybody that they can talk to
at the radio station his name was rock and roll Ralph and they said that the anonymous caller while they didn't give
their name or refused to give their name did provide an address now of course the
caller could just be throwing out somebody else's address but they tracked down the address to an individual that
they kind of knew or that one of the police agencies somewhat knew to a John Edmonds now his name is actually
reported differently in a couple different spots some places he's John Edwards but the majority of the time is
John Edmonds I think that's just a typo that it was in fact John Edmonds Police kind of knew who this guy was and I
think it's because he's he's out there man and so the detectives learn they go to this address the the address that was
given belongs to this John Edmonds and he claims to have psychic powers possible you never know you never
know uh the other description that they get from from the DJ was that the caller
was described as sounding fairly old and maybe having respiratory problems they don't ever State anything about John
Edmonds having respiratory problems or if he sounded to be old but he was not an old individual at the time of them
going and speaking with him he agrees to take them to a location in Towners Woods
what I'm getting at here Captain is while the caller could have just given some fictitious
address it sounds to me like when you go to the address and the guy's like yeah I
have psychic powers and yes I'll go to that spot with you in the woods that sounds to me like confirmation that he
was the caller they go to this spot in Towners woods and of course they don't locate
Judy Martins buried anywhere at that point but this John Edmonds to his credit seems to be
cooperative you know regardless of his his situation that day Nancy Martins remember this is Judy's younger sister
she calls the police department and she says that she went and spoke with the couple that was hosting the garage sale
and had a long conversation with them and they talked about the girl that could be her sister being at the garage
sale and this girl wanted to go to Mexico or South America now Nancy said after having this long conversation with
those two individuals she believed that they were in fact trying to help and that they probably did see and have the
conversation that they said they had but things that they stated about the person
that they spoke with at the garage sale she's telling police like this wasn't my
sister it may have looked like her she may have been about the same age but there were things that they were telling
me about this person that do not line up with my sister some good news in this investigation they are able to locate
the IND idual that they believe was at that garage sale the mystery garage sale customer yes on June 5th detective
Brandon located a female named Lori gumb minder she is the subject seen at the garage sale by the sniders they were the
ones hosting and the girl this was also confirmed that Jeff remember he gave somebody a ride a hitchhiker a ride when
shown a picture of this Lorry individual he agrees yes that's yes Not only was she the one at the garage sale but she's
also the girl that I picked up the young lady that I picked up right so she was located and spoken with and this was
some good detective work because what he did was he went to a location where you would go to get your
photo taken for for a passport so he goes there with pictures of Judy Martin saying hey have you seen anybody that
looks like her or her that came in here to get a passport so that they could go to Mexico or South America that's how he
ends up tracking down this individual so Nancy Martins the younger sister her suspicions were confirmed that it was
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Colonel so much more more twists to get into in the Judy Martin's case the case just keeps getting stranger and stranger
as we go along here but nice to get some answers along the way well let me throw
out something for you and one of the things I was interesting in this case was you know she went missing in' 78
this is around the time the world would know a certain individual or come to know a certain individual Ted Bundy and
a lot of people when she first went missing started there was rumors flying around because here's this guy that he
went to college uh he would have been traveling all over the country possibly and is it possible because she looks so
much like his typical victim but one of things that you pointed out because you're the goat is
most if not all if not all victims of Ted Bundy were found and if it's your lunch break or breakfast Time cover your
ears people because that his victims were found simply because he didn't bury them he
didn't bury them because he would return and do things with the body have sex with it that's right and so that all
kind of makes sense in that's why I feel like we can't really Place him in this area at that time of the night in
question and there was one individual that again we don't know we'd have to see hardcore evidence of this but one
individual at least that states that Bundy was probably locked up or was in fact locked up at that time which seems
accurate to me uh he did have some ties to Pennsylvania so it wouldn't be out of
the realm of possibility that he could be in the area or passing through the area and of course a lot of his victims
were in fact college aged students yeah and he would have been serving time in 78 in um serving time in Florida oh this
was after the Florida so this would have been yeah so he it's not Bundy then we can sounds like we can put a a bow on
that one yeah put a bow on Bundy and also ban the tan sedan and I think too here captain Bundy makes an
interesting leap to another serial killer who has been thought of or actually two other serial killers who
have been considered as suspects or Persons of Interest in this case mhm the first being a William John posy
Jr he's of significant interest to me into this case because he is a serial killer known identified serial killer of
two women or some say at least two women and he was also known to be living in the Kent area at this time all right
that's interesting back in 78 in fact in one article he lived a 10-minute drive from the college campus and was found
hiding in the bedroom closet of a woman who he did not know or who did not know him creeper in
Kent and this is according to assistant chief of police John Peach so a couple issues with this individual one same as
Bundy as we don't even know yes he had an apartment not that far blocks away from
campus but that doesn't mean he was in the area at the time and there's some reports not confirmed but that there's
some reports that he was actually in jail that night in Columbus Ohio yeah so the the statement is that he was locked
up at least in the afternoon or evening hours of May 24th 1978 I don't know when he went into
lockup or into the jail but they have confirmation that he was in jail at that time so that would be an issue for him
to get rid of this body if he was involved in The Disappearance that took place in the early morning hours of May
24th the other with posie that I found very interesting in regards or he's in Columbus getting rid of the body that's
true good point uh one thing that I find interesting about posie though and this
is coming from law enforcement they firmly believe and of course nothing's 100% until this case is solved but they
firmly believe that had posy killed Judy Martins that he would have told them so
he confessed the two murders that he committed he confessed to both of them and in one case he tried to lead them to
the body that's never been recovered and I think that's another suspicion that people on the outside have that go well
not only did he kill two college aged females but one in one case the body was never recovered and that's what we have
here in Judy's case so that's the similarities but for me I think that's where the similarities end because one
of the murders Captain he was suspected of and actually convicted of the kidnapping of this young woman never
convicted of having killed her it was him it was posy who went out of his way when he was diagnosed to be terminally
ill he reached out to law enforcement and said by the way I did kill this young woman and this is how I
did it this is where I did it this is why I did it and I will lead you to her body
and those officials have stated outwardly that this man yes he was a murderer he's a horrible individual but
he was trying to get right with God before he died he wanted to confess to everything that he had done he wanted to
try to wipe the Slate clean if you will yeah and you know me I don't like to trust guys that use fake names but what
was the fake name he used you I knew you were going to put me on the spot and try
to make you say it and not me it looks like if I were to spell this it almost looks like
scorpion but it looks like he was using the name John T Scorpi or Scorpi Scorpi yeah but uh it looks like scorp cuz he
had a little weenie it looks to me almost like the word scorpion with an with a few extra vowels in it yeah
here's where things get a little more crazy if they weren't crazy enough for you yet if your if your head's not
spinning like a top then there's something you have your own issues here's the problem with this case is
when you first hear you go okay well there's not a lot of evidence and there's not but the
speculation and the twists and turns around what we don't know there's a lot there there's certainly a lot and to
pile it on more we have this really great article that ran about the case in August of 1983 and anybody that that's
able to locate this or wants some more information on this case this would be the first place that I direct them to
it's an August 7th article in the plane dealer of 1983 and it it was a magazine you know
that's a u newspaper but they also had a Weekly Magazine or monthly magazine M they ran a story that's simply titled
where is Judy Martins and it's a really good informative article on the case and you have
officers reflecting on the case five years after she's been missing and telling you what they did right and what
they did wrong and this article really drums up a lot of information and a lot of excitement from
the general public and it really causes a lot of people to start coming forward in fact there was
one detective that later said that this article in this magazine brought a lot of people out of the woodwork that they
started to get some more information on the case and maybe a lot of it was bad information but what this directly leads
to Captain is within a very short period of time the Avon Lake Police Department
receives a phone call stating that this is from an individual that works in law enforcement and States you know on this
this night very recently we had someone a woman that was brought in for prostitution charges being held here in
our jail and that it was Judy Martins I'm telling you that's who we saw now this is five years after the
fact the law enforcement agency basically says look it does resemble her it could be her although it looks like
you know not only has she aged five years but maybe drugs in a hard life have enged her
considerably in that 5-year time period there's so much weight given to this that Judy Martins must have dropped out
of school headed out of town and became a street walker in Cleveland that they start writing an article there's a
individual that wrote a lengthy article about this situation and States all the similarities between the two well the
first one we should point out is that when this female was booked at the jail she gives the name Judy Martinez right
that's not a not a far jump from Judy Martin that's one number two she looks almost identical to Judy Martins yes add
add in the drugs in the hard life right right but they're practically the same height they look very similar and this
article that I read even states that they had the same birth mark I mean it goes on and on it just rattles off a
whole bunch of what's what people need to know is that Judy at the time that she went missing they didn't have her
fingerprints on file so they couldn't even test for fing fingerprints at that time and they would they were under the
belief that this individual this Judy Martinez would not tell them would not be honest if she was in fact Judy Martin
so they get Judy Martin's Family involved in this her her mom or dad or brother or sister this is where it gets
even more wild they go down there and they meet this individual and you say more wild but I've actually seen read
heard multiple versions of this story and this portion of the story anyway and some of those versions say
that Judy's mother believed it was Judy other other versions of the story state that the family knew almost
instantaneously that it was not her that they as much as they wanted it to be her
it was not and they even felt that this this reporter that wrote several articles or at least one lengthy article
about this situation that he may have embellished a little bit on the similarities between Judy Martinez and
Judy Martins and made it sound you know like it was in fact the same person before
delivering at the end that it was not right now based off of they based this off of dental records that Judy Martins
had her four wisdom teeth removed and this individual still had her four wisdom teeth and of course somebody then
reports a week or so later that on very very very rare occasions someone can have these teeth removed and they can
grow back I don't know if that's yeah I don't know if that's real or not I've been told that that's a real thing but
I'm not a dentist I don't play one on TV and I'm not going to pretend to know can grow back yeah but the rumor is
you're anti-dentite my my wisdom teeth have not grown back I can I can only report what I know here makes a lot of
sense now well you also heard that they did a handwriting sample yes and do you know what the
outcome of that was I've seen I've seen that it matched but I'm not a big 95% and that's great and now now hold on
just I want I want people to understand s have this sink in a little bit for the
most part I don't buy the whole polygraph thing take it or leave it I think it's a it's a it's a barometer if
they don't want to take the test it's a barometer of where they're at and that's
why I believe that we should administer the test it shouldn't be allowed in the court no no no no but this joke of a
science should never be allowed in any anything and you have family members that are saying nope that is not Judy we
we have dental records that say nope that's not Judy but then 95% matching to to handwriting samples that this is her
so and and I bring this up because when people talk about the handwriting samples and the Jan Ramsey case just
knock it off this is junk science rant over right and I can't agree with you anymore there Captain there's uh there's
no reason to believe other than you could hug me some suspicions that this person was Judy Martins in fact the
original name she gives when she's arrested is uh sandre Lopez and then later says that she's
Judy Martinez I my guess here is look she's booked and she's going to be charged with criminal activity yeah and
she's probably willing to play along in some way or form she's street smart right she's going to see if hey if I
play along with some of this will it help me out of my current predicament yeah and one one time she was arrested
she said I'm George Lopez the next day she says I'm Mario Lopez well in in the end she denies being Judy Martin's her
family Judy Martin's Family says this is not her again there's a story where Dolores believed that it was right her
daughter and Arthur did not believe and nobody else in the family believed again
I think that portion of the story might be embellished or it's just it's just a brokenhearted woman saying or wanting to
try to believe that maybe there's a chance that this is my little girl that I've been missing and lost for 5 years
in fact Dolores Martins goes out of her way to tell the newspapers that poor young woman that I met there that day
was not my daughter but I'm here to tell you there was a good Soul there was a good child inside of that woman and I
feel bad for her and I wish her nothing but the best and I'm hoping that things can turn around for her so which is
surprising though because didn't she say some mean things to the family she said
you know at some point Judy Martins is better off dead yeah well that's coming from
somebody that's in a position that she's in well she she's probably a drug addict
and yeah yeah it's it's just another sad portion of this story where it's it's a
person that's lived a hard life and probably been dealt a bad deal yeah well and you feel so bad look I I used to say
people have the right to make the decision of whatever they want and it's not my place to tell people whether or
not they're doing drugs but then you start realizing some of them had no choice some of them got in a situation
where it wasn't just as simple as hey I went out to party one day and then things got out of hand some of these
people legitimately get into this situation I just feel bad for these individuals
because you know part of it is a is a the addiction is a sickness and they probably want to be dead so
they don't have to deal with the addiction but it's just sad either way well it's a downward spiral that they
really have no control over even if they want out and to get clean and do the right thing they they really don't have
in some cases as sad as it may sound don't have a choice in the matter at some point at the end of of the day here
Captain what we have here is a case that is over 40 years old nobody believes no
law enforcement agency believes it might sound good on the Internet or on somebody else's
podcast but nobody working the case then Nor today believe that Judy Martins is alive and that she left on her own and
started a new life somewhere I've been told and I think the evidence points to this and you brought
up something very interesting off Mike when we were discussing this case and we'll get to that in just a second but
whoever is responsible for her going missing their name is in this file their name is in that timeline of that night
in the early morning hours of the 23rd and the 24th this was not committed by Ted Bundy this was not committed by
William posie this was not committed by Sam little his name gets mentioned in this case too serial killer that was
known to drive through Ohio and may have uh several Ohio victims well I think one
of the things for him was he would do drawings of his victims and sometimes try to put the date of when they went
missing or roughly the time he the tough thing about this though is he'll he'll actually write 1986 or
1976 so sometimes his dates are wildly they they wildly vary but there is a couple women that could possibly
match her from that area but I don't know if they match up in as as far as timeline goes and there were some other
missing persons cases that Judy Martin's case gets mentioned in the same paragraph with
from time to time over the years and that's uh yavon regler who was 17 and went missing from that same area uh not
a college student she was working at a gas station by herself and it looks to me like somebody abducted her at the gas
station there was a Kathy marrow age 22 Y yavon regler and Judy Martins are still missing to this day I could not
find and I spent a good deal of time on this and it was a fruitless search here Captain I could not find any update on
Kathy marrow's case whether she was ever located found dead or or murdered or you
know any of those bad news things I couldn't locate anything on her I have suspicions that she was probably found
because yavon and Judy are both still listed on the Charlie projects website and other places where Kathy marrow is
no longer listed or was never entered on those databases and I find the the Charlie project website to be incredibly
accurate one of the more accurate if not the most accurate one out there when it
comes to Nationwide missing persons and if you're into missing person cases as much as I am please take the time even
just as much of a as a Starbucks cup of coffee $5 goes a long way to supporting them in their research and all the time
that they spend it's well worth it because if you've listened to podcasts throughout the years you probably
listened to hundred of cases and they all pretty much reference the Charlie project you're exactly right Captain
there are many podcasters many internet sleuths and U YouTubers that use this Charlie project website and it's Charlie
project.org for those that are not familiar it's uh Charlie with a Y go and take a little lookie on on that website
Megan Good runs the website and is doing very very good work as I like to say and
I hope those other podcasters and YouTubers are regular donors to her and to the Charlie project because I hope
and pray that that never goes away but again Captain this case sadly we're looking for a body here and another sad
aspect of this law enforcement has basically said you know if we would have had a body early on this investigation
would have went completely different and they believe that the person or person's
responsible would already be in custody that this would be a an easy case for them to to execute uh even with the
blunders and the delay of Kent State but Avon Lake did good work on this the Portage County Sheriff's Office did good
work on this the US Marshals were brought in on this case and those guys and girls are no slouches at all in fact
they were brought in because of the posy portion of this case because he was actually apprehended in Texas and the
two women that he killed were not from Ohio he he lived in other states throughout different portions of his
life in fact I believe one was in Vermont a girl that he knew a woman that he knew in Vermont and one was a woman
in Illinois so they're brought in once we have somebody who's already in custody and we have cases that are going
from State to state to state and so in this case here we are really looking for a body or looking for any of those
missing items that were never located the wig the imitation leather purse any of those garments that she may have been
wearing that night or any any form of identification or anything that she would have had with her that night that
is what they are currently looking for and circling back to one of the most powerful things in this case and it's
something that you said to me before we hit record when we were just chilling in
the garage and kind of spitballing about the case you said to me I said do you want a hit of this doobie you said at
any point in your research could you find could you find someone saying that Judy
Martins told them that she was returning to her room after hanging out with different people that night now there's
one portion in the timeline where she does tell a friend at her dorm building that she might return to her friend's
dorm after going over to visit with some of the fellas over at the male dormatory
MH but at no point out of all of these guys that saw her toward the end of the night and leading up to her
Disappearance in none of their statements does any of them say that she said that she was returning to her door
now a lot of people would go well doesn't that call into question the idea that maybe she was taking off or maybe
she went elsewhere and could have been abducted elsewhere of course it does but here's what I want to point out Judy
Martins probably did not have the opportunity to say that to anyone because this was probably not a
planned murder something happened in the course of a conversation or activities that night that led to some kind of
struggle she didn't have the opportunity to say that she was going home that night because somebody stopped her from
going home that night and I think we talk about this from time to time here in the garage unfortunately in some
cases the perpetrator or perpetrators get lucky and here we might have that situation Captain where all of the
students leaving campus and the holiday break coming up and Kent State not jumping in right away on this may have
helped the perpetrator or perpetrators get rid of this body and conceal this body and it's not been
found and they got rid of evidence they cleaned things up they got their stories
together yeah to me it's very simple she was we have no eyewitness that saw her after she was in the all male dorm room
and I just as much as the next guy or girl love a good story right I love a good mystery it's very intriguing to
hear that oh there was this mysterious person that was arrested for charges in Cleveland and she looked just like Judy
Martins and had the same birth date and birth mark and this that and the other thing there was this mysterious Shopper
at a garage sale who looked just like Judy and said that she was going to South America M that stuff is very
intriguing it wasn't her at that garage sale it wasn't her who was picked up in Cleveland sometimes a cigar is just to
smoke and sometimes the the answer is obvious and it's right there in front of you and here that's exactly what we have
with this case those people those individuals that by their own admissions said that they were the last ones to see
her that night one of them or some of them are responsible for this and one of them may have done it all by themselves
I have a firm belief and a very strong suspicion and plenty of reason and plenty of reasons why to believe that
even if one individual took this young woman's life that they probably had some help in getting rid of her
[Music] body as always thanks for listening tell your friends tell your brother tell your
mother how about some recommended reading Captain yes sir this is a mustre you know there are such weird
coincidences at times in our lives here I was a few weeks ago discussing some case with someone they're telling me all
about this case that I had never heard of before the case involved twin brothers one of them was killed it was
originally ruled a suicide and there's a police cover up and a pack of teenagers
this is a case out of columia Maryland in the90s and as this person was telling me more and more about the case I kept
saying wow this is such an interesting in case why have I not heard of this case before so then just a couple of
days later I find this book called losing John a teens tragic death a police cover up and a community's fight
for Justice by David Parish it's a book on that case so this book kind of found me I didn't go
looking for it and I would not have known about this case if I hadn't been talking to the person so I love those
interesting little coincidences so do yourself a favor and check out losing John by David Parish you'll be reading
through this almost two unbelievable to be true true crime books and you'll ask yourself the same thing why have I not
heard of this case before oh and another weird thing here captain in the story Christina Gutierrez the lawyer who
defended Adnan SED was the attorney for one of the major players in this story again that's losing John a teens tragic
death a police coverup and a community's fight for Justice by David perish and you don't have to write that title down
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Brief Summary

The episode covers the investigation of missing student Judy Martin, discussing witness accounts, suspects, and the challenges faced by law enforcement.

Key points

Quality Sleep with Ashley. Ashley offers top mattress brands at winning prices with special financing options.
Special Guest Tuan Sam. Tuan Sam from Froot Loops joins the studio for a fun chat.
Investigation into Judy Martin's Disappearance. Details emerge about the early investigation into missing college student Judy Martin.
Judy's Alleged Plans. Witnesses claim Judy was considering a trip to South America or Mexico.
Jim Young's Firearms Admission. Judy's boyfriend admits to owning several firearms during police questioning.
The Search for Judy Martin. Detectives locate a woman resembling Judy Martin, raising hopes and questions.

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Tension

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