Miles of Murder /// Part 2 /// 184 | Forensic Files

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[Music] [Music] on June 28 2015 Dr Teresa Seavers flew home from Connecticut to her home in
Florida without her husband Mark and their two daughters the following morning on June 29th she was found
brutally murdered bludgeoned to death inside her home now on July 6th just a little over a week into the
investigation of the death of Teresa Sievers there is finally a little bit of good news at least for those in the area
of the Sievers home this is when Sheriff Mike Scott told a local reporter quote I
am like you or anyone else I want a killer Behind Bars we are working tirelessly Scott said all hands are on
Deck here literally he went on to say it's a very complicated case there are details I
wish I could share but I cannot I take a little bit of comfort knowing it's not random or arbitrary Scott said
of the murder he says his investigators have processed hundreds of pieces of evidence from inside the home and
elsewhere including from cell phone and computer records from the home and from the office he also said that he believes
everything that they have in this case and he States it's a lot gives him comfort in saying that this is
not a random murder this is not arbitrary there are connections that will continue to develop
when asked about whether people should be concerned about a killer still on the streets he said this the the good news
with homicide is generally speaking random murder is not the case generally speaking there are connections I think
that's the case that will play out here as well two months after the murders take place the arrest will be made yes
these are some new suspects that we've not even spoken about yet captain and this was taken from the Florida Today
newspaper from August 27 2015. the headline the Lee County Sheriff's Office announced an arrest in the murder of a
well-known Estero doctor during a press conference Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said they apprehended
Jimmy Rogers for the killing of Dr Teresa Sievers who was found dead in her Bonita Springs home in late June
details were not provided on the arrest or how investigators made the connection
between Sievers and Rogers Scott declined to take any questions the spokesman for the Sheriff's Office could
not provide an exact spelling of the arrest man's name the Sheriff's Office issued an arrest warrant for Rogers on a
charge of second-degree murder according to a federal arrest warrant Lee Detective Mike Downs contacted a federal
probation agent Monday that Rogers was in the Walmart on Six Mile Cypress Parkway the day before the
murder which is a violation of Jimmy Rogers probation Sievers was killed nearly two months ago on June 29th Scott
called siever's case very much an ongoing and active investigation and said the homicide is a most complicated
set of circumstances Scott said the FBI and the state attorney's office are involved in the
case now one thing that I there's several Shockers here in my opinion that are not included in the Florida Today
article that we just read first Jimmy Rogers is and was living in Jefferson County Missouri both
at the time of Theresa siever's you know death when she was killed and months later when he is later arrested which is
what roughly uh 1100 miles or so away the other thing too that we've already brought up nobody nope we've not spoke
about this guy but that's because nobody knows who this guy is not Teresa's family not the people at her office not
the neighbors that were so concerned that a Madman was on the loose then later that day another bombshell there's
a second arrest is made and this is Curtis Wainwright was arrested he too in Jefferson County Missouri but there's
there's one big difference here with Curtis Wainwright a lot of people know who Curtis Wainwright is right yeah
but the the weird thing is when they show his picture like you know you're reading an article
normally and there's some picture that goes with the article yeah like most people stop reading the article because
this guy looks exactly exactly like Mark Sievers yeah so does to describe Mark Sievers for you would
be the same way of describing Curtis Wainwright he's they're they're men who shave their heads they have glasses and
it appears to be damn near identical glasses uh prescription glasses that they wear and they both have goatees
and they have a similar build too yeah I've heard people say that they they they look like twins but the the crazy
thing to me is and we should Curtis Wayne Right he goes by Wayne so just to you know smooth it out a little bit
we'll call him Wainwright from this point on so we have Jimmy and Wayne Jimmy Rogers and Wayne Wright yes and
they're both arrested in Missouri correct nobody 1100 miles away the difference between Jimmy and Wayne is
that Wayne is best friends with Mark Sievers yes he's he's not only best friends with Mark Sievers he also works
for uh Loosely works for Teresa and Mark Seavers as well he's a computer I.T guy
he went to college for a computer and he he was the guy that set up the computers
at the Dr Teresa's office and he would he monitored them he would um I love when we talk about computers
because I just I don't have any words no words come out right but it's because you know the subject so well that it's
hard for you to explain it to delayment to us you know the layperson yes Mortals
if the computer system went down he would fix it he he made sure that the computers kept up and running at the
doctor's office okay the two are also uh not just best friends but they've been best friends
since almost their childhood right you know so even Mark siever's family is where well
aware of Wayne Wright now what's the connection how do you connect these two guys from Missouri to the
death of Teresa Sievers well we have them both on camera at a Walmart that's less than six miles away
the day before or the day of it would well would have been the Sunday it would be yeah on Sunday the 28th now
so in building the case and I'm a little unclear as to how exactly the police got
to Jimmy Rogers and Wayne Wright one thing I found but I could not verify this to be 100 accurate so take this for
what you will it it sounds to me like these two jokers well they talked a lot they talked a lot
about going to Florida beforehand and they talked about having been to Florida when they got back one of the two I
believe it was Rogers even texted someone or had a phone call with someone while he was in Florida someone from his
work had contacted him asking if he could come into work but he says he can't because he's still in Florida
now mind you this is at a time that that would have put the two in the State of Florida like the captain said when
Teresa Sievers was killed roughly so I've seen it suggested maybe even reported uh I I have it in my notes but
again I cannot confirm the crazy thing about this case captain there you know there is a lot out there
and I know you thought of thought this too there's a lot of information on this case out there there's a lot of good
information too uh so there was not a whole lot of time spent hunting for info on this case there was just so much
reading and uh so much to consume and think about because you know the thing is I want to remind
you of what the lead detective on this case said and I think he is exactly right when he described this case as a
most complicated set of circumstances because it truly is right but this part of the case isn't
that complicated we have two individuals that traveled over 1100 miles we have them within a 10 mile radius of the
murder taking place we now have one of the Vic or one of the suspects Wayne has a direct connection with the murdered
victim worked for her was best friends with her husband and we have uh probably evidence at the
scene fingerprints and things of that nature we also have a list of what they bought
at the Walmart we have phone records we have text records that they were in Florida we have Jimmy talking with his
girlfriend at the time about being in Florida and we also have the murder weapon that was right by the victim well
okay so let's get into this a little bit I and I'm trying to piece together how they got to these two individuals I
think that it's possible that they may have been contacted by somebody that knew one of them either Jimmy Rogers or
Wainwright as I stated they were telling people that they were going to Florida they were telling people that they had
just been to Florida right so by now we have both of these douche canoes in jail
both have had their trailer homes raided at this point the police even got information from Jimmy Rogers girlfriend
that's right one of the suspects his girlfriend confesses to deputies that she knows exactly what happened this is
Taylor Shoemaker rogers's girlfriend tells detectives about his trip to Florida Taylor is going to relay a story to the
police but we have to keep in mind here that she has already been questioned by police before she gets into this this
questioning room here she was questioned by police this was in front of Jimmy Rogers so later the two of them Jimmy
Rogers and Taylor Shoemaker are having a conversation she's going to relay this conversation
to police she said during this conversation she said quote he referring to Rogers started asking me like what do
I know about it I'm like well I know you went down there to kill somebody and then he said yeah
she goes on stating I asked him what he went down there for and he said to make money and then I asked him how does he
make money he said murdering Mark's wife then Shoemaker recounts how Rogers then
laughed when explaining how he had killed Teresa Taylor told the police quote I said did
you shoot her and he said no and I said then how did you kill her then he made this stupid little chuckle that he does
and then he said with a hammer she also told detectives that Teresa's own husband Mark Sievers hired Wayne Wright
to kill his wife she says suspect Curtis Wainwright then hired Jimmy to help out
to help out without Mark's knowledge Taylor told police the hammer well that was his weapon of choice
because quote everybody calls him Jimmy the hammer all of his friends back home yeah but nobody calls him the hammer he
calls himself the hammer like on his Facebook or his Myspace or something he was Jimmy the hammer Rogers right okay
but he he made it up himself and and it was like one of those names that would be like you know your friend coming
hanging out on the garage saying hey call me the hammer and everybody else was like yeah we're not doing that we're
not doing that [ __ ] but yeah and then he then Jimmy goes on to say that I believe
that Wayne tried to hit uh Teresa first and then he ended up taking the hammer from
um Wayne and and doing it himself yeah so Taylor Shoemaker she says that when the police were questioning her and and
Rogers together that that's when she knew something bad had happened when he went to Florida but
she also like threw out some items some gloves and like a shirt from yeah their truck yeah
and that actually happened after the police spoke with the two of them now when they spoke with the two of them it
was a very loose kind of casual interaction it wasn't like they brought them in for questioning and separated
them and did all that jazz no this was just they went to a place where they both were could have been one of their
homes or their home that they were sharing I don't know but they they just kind of sat down asked where you were
what were you doing these things here's uh how I handled that questioning right interrogation right
you be you be Jimmy okay okay I'll go Jimmy Rogers yes sir can I call you the hammer
that's what everybody calls me and then I just call him Hammer the whole time well that's how that would work what
happens is after they get this kind of casual interaction with the police that's when Jimmy Rogers gets in the car
with his girlfriend and says you know they drive out into the country and I think it was near
either his parents his mother's home or her mother's home I'm a bit uncertain of
this but they're driving out some peaches they're driving out on uh some country road and he's instructing her to
throw some items out of the the vehicle right these end up being clothing items which she does later lead the police to
these items and and they're all recovered exactly where she said they would be recovered from
yeah and so it's kind of weird because you when you watch then not the interrogation but then questioning with
her you do feel bad for her because sometimes the police are like well why did you do that
she's like well I'm I'm riding in a truck with somebody that I think just murdered somebody he didn't even know
with a hammer she was afraid of him very obviously afraid of him and um she probably was
you know it's to me when when I hear her speak and I read her words it's like when when the police showed up to ask
some questions kind of randomly this would have been out of the blue to her you know what I mean this would not be
something she was expecting it was like a light went off for her during that kind of questioning like
holy crap this guy has done something right but mind you he broke his probation going to Florida anyways so we
know that he was convicted of something before he was in jail that's how Jimmy and Wayne met each
other was in jail so when she's dating him you know she probably was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt he was
the one to prison maybe he's changed you know everybody in there is innocent right well right but what I'm saying is
no I'm sure there's a couple that are like yeah I did it whatever uh Joseph Metheny yeah
yeah I I did it and I did a lot of other stuff I cook and cooked them up and put
them in hamburgers my point is that she's dating this guy she's probably trying to give him the
benefit of the doubt that he you know made some mistakes and now he's trying to change his life but once this starts
coming out you're going well he he didn't change his life and now you'd be scared you know what and here's this is
a little off the subject here Captain but one thing that I I cannot stand and I know he's he's a bad dude so it's
easy not to like him Jimmy Rogers dick knows but I cannot stand people that give themselves their own nickname
that look what thanks a lot I did it for I did I did it to protect myself I forgot I was speaking with the person
like I was trying to teach kids you gave yourself an alias that's different you gave yourself an alias let me tell you
about this there's one guy I used to work with the first time I worked with him the first day he goes
um You can call me cricket and I said okay he tells informs me everybody calls him
cricket and I said okay well what's the significance how did you get that nickname
he says back when I was in high school there was a kid that used to sit next to me in class
and all the kids called him cricket and I really liked that so I gave myself that nickname right after I graduated
high school very awesome okay so very creative let me tell you here's one thing I think we should do Captain
because we're able to piece together a very good uh timeline regarding what we can what we know happened because this
is what the police can later prove happen during this whole circumstances and I think the waters might be a little
murky at this point so I think we should go through this clear-cut timeline to lay out what happened because there's
other suspicions involved here we have this Taylor Shoemaker stating that Jimmy was hired by Wayne who was hired by Mark
Sievers right well Wayne and Jimmy are arrested Mark sivers is not arrested he's still living at his home with his
daughters and in some fashion still running the the doctor's office right but mind you this is pure
speculation because this is just what Jimmy told her and we we don't know but what we do have is we have Jimmy and
Wayne now in the custody of law enforcement so it it took a lot to get here but what really happened what can
the police tell us that happened and what are they going to try to prove so this is a pretty comprehensive timeline
so if you're a loss this will fill you in so if you don't pay any attention to anything else we say pay attention here
right so in December of 2010 Curtis Wayne Wright was arrested from the discovery of methamphetamine lab he
serves time and is later released while serving time he meets this guy named Jimmy Rogers Rogers was a petty criminal
for most of his life but before you know before being arrested for a weapons charge which was a much more serious
charge in September of 2014 Jimmy Rogers is released from federal prison in May of 2015
Curtis Wainwright marries he gets married and at the and the wedding takes place in Missouri now this
is important not only because it's shocking that anyone would marry Wayne Wright but some have speculated that
this is where some of the planning for the eventual murder might have happened because at Wayne Wright's wedding Mark
Sievers he was he the best man at this wedding Captain he believes he was in the the Grooms you know at least a
groomsmen so Mark's there he's at Wayne's wedding but so is Jimmy Jimmy Rogers is a guest at this wedding the
hammer now it's uncertain it's not clear if the two actually met or interacted during this time but it puts all three
of these these guys in the same place at the same time and it's my understanding that Teresa
Seavers Mark's wife was not present at this wedding right then that takes us to June 26th this is
just two days before the attack June 26 2015 Jimmy Rogers worked from 9 00 a.m to 6 p.m that day and then he was
scheduled to be off until June 30th so a short time after leaving work which he was telling everybody at work he was
going down to help his cousin with something in Florida it's weird because he he had told multiple different
stories about why he was going to Florida and it's almost like he's bragging about this trip you you'd
mentioned the thing about the cousin he also said something about um uh he was going down there to work a
job that was going to pay him quite a bit of money then there's this thing about visiting somebody and it was an
all expenses paid trip so yeah he he had a few things that he threw out there to
people yeah Captain dick knows yeah so sometime after leaving work on that day on the 26th he meets up with Wainwright
and the two of them depart for oh here's another story they rent a car right but they depart
for what he told Jimmy Rogers told his girlfriend would be a ten thousand dollar weekend job he doesn't tell her
what the job is so as you stated Wayne Wright rented a vehicle in his hometown the
vehicle was complete with a GPS system now police were later able to determine that the vehicle rented by Wainwright on
the weekend Teresa Sievers was killed that somebody had typed Teresa siever's address into uh into that GPS system
routing out a map to her murder got him yeah so if that's not enough evidence so
then to get down to Florida and they get down there on a Sunday and I believe they arrive at their
destination the Seavers house and then guess what they type into their GPS some coordinates to the local Walmart
well I I there's some stuff I want to get into before we go go to that all right let's get into that right after
this quick beer break [Music] [Music] foreign all right we're back you Rowdy bastards and we were just
talking about Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers renting a vehicle and then according to the GPS making their way to
Florida just two days before Teresa Sievers was killed now this is the thing I wanted to bring up Captain was this
and this is where I think things can get a little scary or at least weird for reasons that we will explain later but
on the on the morning of Sunday June 28th the Sievers home security system their home alarm system is deactivated
at 609 a.m okay now the reason why this is strange is because Bonnie Sievers Mark siever's mother she's not coming
over to the house until after eight o'clock to take care of the dogs right so we could assume this is Wayne and
Jimmy deactivating the alarm yeah they they go to the Sievers home and they have no trouble getting into
the home and then they deactivate the alarm right but now if Wayne is their I.T guy for computers and phones and
stuff like that he might be their I.T guy for their alarm system as well he might know the code he could have set up
the alarm system he could have even installed the garage door opener that you punch the code into to open up the
garage possible this would put him in give him access to the home without even having a key to the front door
so after the Sievers home alarm system is deactivated at 609 am on June 28th then later we have Wayne Wright and
Jimmy Rogers they're spotted at a Walmart on Six Mile Cypress Parkway in Fort Myers Florida this is roughly about
20 miles far from Teresa seaver's home yeah they're they're actually on video footage yeah you see them standing
together and while they're there they're going to pick up some items and one of those
items is going to be a hammer rubber boots they also purchased some trash bags and
a lock pit lock pick set basically a murder kit yeah they they did purchase some other items while they were there
but those are the ones that stand out well at approximately 8 10 a.m that morning the Sievers home security alarm
system is now reactivated now during the day Mark sivers speaks to his mother telling her to telling her to leave the
home alarm system off because remember she tells Mark when they have their conversation look I'm having some
trouble with the alarm system right and that's because it was already like because it was already shut off by
Wayne and Jimmy yeah so you know most of these alarm systems you either you type
in the code and you hit press one to turn it on or two to turn it off one let's just assume that um Mark's mother
didn't go to school for computer and so she's going up to alarm system right if alarm system is on I put in my code
right and then it goes alarm off but if the alarm is off and I go up to it and go let me put in my code
it doesn't do anything so when it didn't do anything she probably thought what the hell am I doing wrong or
there's a chance that she turned it on but here's what I here's what I think happened because the words that the
police use are deactivated and reactivated okay so she turned it back on yeah put it in the code yeah so what
would have happened in that circumstance Captain is that when she left the day before after leaving the house she
turned on the alarm then somebody showed up unbeknownst to her at the home and deactivated the alarm before she
returned Jimmy and Wayne yeah so when she returns to the house she thinks she's turning off the alarm when in fact
she's turning it back on and so therefore probably uh when when she would go to leave you know there's she's
said they've hijacked the the system that's supposed to be running it's supposed to be on
when she returns however it's not so I didn't do a great job of explaining that but I think you get what we're going
with that so his he tells his mom look if you're having trouble with the alarm don't
bother with it because after you let the dogs out later today my wife Teresa she's coming home that
night so it's not like the house is not going to be monitored for very long before she returns right plus there's
two people sent to murder her well in this at 4 13 pm on that Sunday Bonnie Sievers leaves the home the Sievers home
for the final time and as instructed she does not turn on the alarm sometime after Bonnie leaves Wayne Wright and
Jimmy Rogers return to the Sievers residence they lay and wait there for Teresa to return
at 10 pm Dr Teresa Sievers her plane touches down in Southwest Florida International she then calls Mark her
husband to tell him that she arrived safely at 10 55 PM Dr Seaver Sievers leaves the
airport driving the family's blue van and goes directly to her house then she arrives at home alone it was at
9 00 a.m the following day that her office opens she's late they call Mark Sievers who
then in calls the neighbor to go check on the house and we all know what happens from there
now later that same day Dr seaver's family Mark and the two girls they arrive back to Florida from
Connecticut it's the following day on June 30th that Jimmy Rogers is back in Missouri and he
shares with his employer that he just made a 16-hour trip by highway to visit his recent law school graduate brother
in Florida for an all-expenses trip uh paid by his brother to visit him on that same day on the 30th is when
that sign goes up on the doctor's office informing all the patients that Dr Stevens sivers has passed away
her funeral was held on July 6th and it was on the 12th of July that a SWAT team
raids wainwright's trailer in Missouri on August 24th the Lee County Sheriff's Office they contacted Jimmy Rogers
probation officer this is when they reported that they knew that Rogers had been in Florida
a neighbor well actually several neighbors told uh newspapers that they had seen uh Jimmy Rogers trailer being
raided by police he's later arrested for violation of the probation itself but it wasn't until the
following day on the 27th when Jimmy Ray Rogers and Curtis Wainwright are charged
with murder with the murder of Dr Teresa Sievers now the strange thing here captain
is it wasn't until six months later when in late February of 2016 that Mark sivers is finally arrested at his home
in Bonita Springs Florida right and I I think the thing is you have to have some
kind of connection and when you have Mark receivers like we said earlier in part one that
you know he turned over his phone he turned over his uh computer he also has this airtight Alibi multiple people he's
1300 miles away you know so the only thing here is that he didn't murder his wife right but did
he based off of what Jimmy Rogers was saying did he set it up where he was going to pay Wayne and then the other
question here is one of the things that is said about Wayne and Mark's relationship was that Wayne really
looked up to Mark and that almost mimicked him when Mark shaved his head because he's going bald Wayne did the
same thing right and a lot of their friends in high school said these guys were super close but back in
the day they didn't look like twins almost like one person is um mimicking the other and you got one guy
living in this trailer and another guy married to a successful woman running a successful practice where they're paying
you to do it work and phone work you know so your friend is married to has a lot of money lives in a big
nice house you start wondering is Mark involved in some way or is this some plan that Wayne came up with all on his
own well we should also throw out there too that they had the appearance that they have a lot of money
it actually looks like once you get beneath the surface that they they probably didn't have a lot of money that
the finances were being mishandled somehow well yeah they were making a lot of money they were spending a lot of
money I mean I tell the story all the time I used to have this this stupid ass dick face I mean he was
just the worst human in the world I think he drove like a Porsche or something a guy would come in all smug
and he like it's like he sprayed his cologne 10 times too many you know and so I
remember one time he puts eight grand into the bank so I put the eight grand at the bank but
he was like negative Seven Grand right right so he comes in the next day and then there's more fees
so he puts in eight grand or whatever he's now down to like two hundred dollars he's like um give me a thousand and one
hundreds I go only like got a hundred some dollars left you know so my point is is you know and
then of course he was pissed he's like dude I gave you eight thousand dollars yesterday I was like yeah but you're in
the negative you owed us that much great so but my point is is they were making a
lot of money yeah she was a very successful doctor the problem there was they were spending more money than they
made and so but still it's that lifestyle you still have nice cars you still have a nice house this is
something uh and also we have an open relationship and possible swinging happen happening
is it possible that you know he comes there he drives 1300 miles he's hanging out with him one night he's drinking
with them that he ends up having sex with her at some point is that possible possibly yeah and so if that happens is
there some kind of jealousy thing well we should be clear about what you're cut you're kind of doing a
balancing act on a fence here and I think we should be clear about what you're getting to because the reason why
Mark Sievers is arrested is because Wayne Wright his best friend that happens to look exactly like him he he
tells the police look Mark Sievers paid me to kill his wife Mark Sievers orchestrated this whole thing or was
going to pay me right right and so that they didn't arrest Mark Sievers until six months later because they really had
nothing on him until one of these guys flipped on him now they right but and it we need to be clear it took Wayne six
months to flip on him yeah because he was going to face the death penalty right uh and Florida is pretty good at
killing people so he probably got scared now Okay so up into this point we have Taylor
Shoemaker Jimmy rogers's girlfriend that she can tell police all day and all night that you know what Mark Seavers
hired Wayne and then Wayne hired Jimmy and this is how this whole thing went down the problem is they don't have any
evidence to that now when you have a guy that's facing murder charges and the guy
comes forward and he says you know what instead of putting me on the death giving me the death penalty let's reduce
this thing down to second degree murder I'll plead guilty I'll plead guilty you give me 25 years and I'm going to
testify for you against Mark Sievers then boom you go arrest Mark Sievers now here's the big debate though the the the
the balancing act that the captain was doing here is this doesn't necessarily mean that Mark
Sievers is absolutely 100 guilty there's still some things that you have to analyze in this because you have in it
and here's the thing when I went into this Captain I went into this looking at it like this Mark Sievers guy he's
guilty as can be there's no changing my opinion now where my opinion did change was
and yes you could say that the people that I listened to were biased however the people that changed my opinion were
listening to his family this Mark siever's family his mother his his sister and then listening to some of his
friends that were not associated with Wainwright these people paint a much brighter
better picture of Mark Sievers and these people this is what they're wondering they're not saying they're not saying
100 percent are Mark Sievers that we know and love is innocent what they're saying is this
think about this idea that possibly Wayne Wright did this without Mark siever's knowledge and then once he's
caught once he's busted the only Lifeline he has left to throw out to save his own ass
is to throw Mark Sievers under the bus and be willing to testify against him in court right but okay so what's the
evidence against mark let's get into that yes so the evidence against Mark well this you can take this or leave this as
far as you want to go for evidence but there were there was four over four million dollars worth of life insurance
uh plan to pay out upon Teresa seaver's death yeah this is where it's interesting though it's four point some
million 4.4 million dollars but there was like five policies there's a lot of policies yes which is odd so yeah I
would think so and and also when you're when you're behind on bills and you're constantly living paycheck to paycheck
kind of a weird thing to pay out to have those five and we know that Mark is kind of running
that area you know she is running the practice but he's running probably payroll he's probably running their
finances he's kind of taking care of the kids while she's at work and there's been speculation captain and I don't
know if this is coming from the media or from the law enforcement but there's been speculation that Teresa Sievers may
not have been aware of some of these policies right that maybe he took them out without her knowledge or
forged documents here's the thing I don't typically think life insurance is a red flag that's usually not a red flag
to me I understand that it is motive at times but but what I mean by that is if somebody has a policy for 80 000 or a
hundred thousand dollars I kind of look past that as a as a red flag when I see policies that are for these large sums
of money four Millions four and a half million dollars and I understand when you have a nice home and when you have
children together that you shouldn't be running a practice you should increase and carry larger amounts of insurance
but this seems like an extreme amount of insurance it this seems like a warranted
red flag to me yeah and what else do we have against mark well really we only have the words of of
these these other people that we know to be involved by their own admission uh into the murder of his wife now Jimmy
Rogers to be clear has not told the police he's not said hey I'm guilty and I'm willing to cooperate right but we
have his girlfriend that's fed them plenty of information that makes him look very guilty the other thing though
is there are some here's what I wondered that's going to come out and and trial there's been a lot of communication
between Wainwright and Mark Sievers and what I mean by that there's been more texting and communication between the
two of them than even Mark and his own wife Teresa now just having a long distance friendship could explain that
away yeah but there's some weird stuff going on and him being involved in the business could explain this way but
there is some weird interactions uh you came across some things where it's um where Mark is calling referring to him
as honey or baby when when talking to Wayne yeah um that's weird which we you know he we don't know they could be
joking around I don't know those were found from text messages that were released to the public however they
redacted a lot of the information within those text message so there's there's a
lot of missing portions of those conversations there's one thing that's incredibly
interesting though and that's that Wainwright would say that a lot of the communication they did a lot of the
organizing and planning of this murder was done over a burner phone that they both had phones untraceable
phones right so this would be like a prepaid phone that you'd buy somewhere yep and
what what is stated during some of those text messages on their regular phones on
their day-to-day phones right is you have situations where Mark sivers is talking to Wainwright and he's saying
hey can you talk in 10 minutes or hey do you got 15 minutes to talk and then he would use the word other in parentheses
now police and police using information given to them by Wainwright states that when they say other Mark is saying let's
talk on these other phones not have this conversation on our day-to-day our everyday phones and that's probably not
even a text message that's probably like an actual just pick up and call um so that's that is interesting so we
have those two pieces here's some strange things that I think about though Captain okay so I don't
want to hear about the strange things you think about well in relation to this case okay let's narrow it down a little
bit yeah let's focus on this case so all right there's a there's a couple issues here one we know Mark would have
had information that his wife would be returning from the vacation before and without the rest of the family he could
have passed that information along to Wayne that's an easy scenario we can all wrap our heads around
the other scenario is this if Mark is if I'm sorry if Wayne oversees their computers even just at
their office even if it's not at their home just their office let's say if office computers were used to purchase
those plane tickets then Wayne would also know that information without Mark having told him that
information sure if it's done through an email or like you get confirmations you know if you bought plane tickets you
get the confirmation through your email so so that's possible but here's the other thing though too is
and and stop saying that Wayne wouldn't know this information but obviously it was the family is
planning a trip and then she's going to come back early and so what a perfect time to do this
right now what's weird is it's a perfect time it's a perfect time for Wayne to do it
it's a perfect time for Mark to tell Wayne to do it Jimmy and Wayne both were talking about
this trip months in advance right so to me that's a little more evidence leaning to
the fact that Mark is paying them because he would have known about the trip way more in advance
you see what I'm saying unless the tickets were purchased way in advance right but then that would be
Wayne for whatever reason wants to kill her we which we don't know what the motive
would be and he is planning this months and months in advance because he hears about a trip
you see what I'm saying like if he wanted her dead that bad for whatever reason like
you I don't know I just think it's kind of weird okay let me throw this at you because I I've been I've been going back
and forth on this quite a bit because my thought is I I want to try to hear out Mark siever's family and I want to try
to understand what they're saying now they've not presented these ideas to anybody as far as I'm aware but what I
could come up with was this the only problem I have with Mark siever's being involved in this is his mother
Bonnie Sievers that throws that throws a wrench into the plan a little bit you have Bonnie Sievers coming and going at
times that she determines to let these dogs out and to check on the house now Wainwright and Jimmy Rogers we know this
because the the alarm system was deactivated at six in the morning Teresa Sievers didn't arrive at home until 11
pm or 11 30 P.M so they were there for for like what 16 18 hours before Teresa returns to the home and I know
they spent a lot of that time outside of the home they went to Walmart and they went to the beach and they killed time
waiting for Teresa to return at 11 11 30 at night the wrench in the problem is they were they there's a chance that
they were within a 60-minute window of bumping into Bonnie Sievers yeah but they would have known they would have
known this stuff again this points towards Mark too they would have known her actions and whereabouts based off a mark
they wouldn't know that if Mark's not involved so they wouldn't have known when they
could have gone into the house and when they couldn't have gotten the house that
she came once in the morning and once at night and isn't it just so weirdly that
uh that they're there the whole time that she's there twice right right or maybe she's only there
once on that Sunday but she never runs into him and then the murder doesn't take place until probably
after mid midnight right so no but what I'm what I'm saying though is that that's a loose end for Mark
Sievers if Mark knows that Mark knows everything let's assume he knows everything that's going on that he
orchestrated this whole thing the loose end is his mother checking on the dogs she you can tell your mother show up at
8am and let him out and then come back at 4 pm and let them out once you leave for Connecticut you have no control over
what time that woman decides to show up to let the dogs in and out of the house right well all I'm saying is it's pretty
easy if she was only supposed to go there once on Sunday it's this simple you text her in the morning hey what
time do you think you're going to go over there right or hey we know or you're talking to her while you're on
vacation and she's like uh you know maybe you know your mom's a creature a habit if she says she's going over there
at eight o'clock it's going to be between eight and nine no matter what all I'm saying is it's a very small
wrinkle to deal with man well it may not even be a wrinkle to deal with and here's what I mean by this
I think it's a big loose end I think it's a big problem because if for some reason you you're sending people that
you have paid to kill a woman so by by them signing up for the job they're stating they're very capable of
killing somebody in Cold Blood right how do you know they're not going to freak out if they bump into your mother at the
house and kill her okay so that is listen listen listen it's not that big of a deal because they're best friends
Guess Who would know who his mom is Wayne would know who Mark's mom is she comes into the house he wouldn't go oh
my God I thought it was Teresa right that's what I'm saying he would know and then if if Wayne was in the house and he
bumped into Mark's mom hey what are you doing here you don't have to kill her you just have to say
I'm working on the security system no I get that I get that but that's out of Mark's hands once he leaves for
Connecticut all that stuff's out of his hands he can't control his mother's movements coming and going from the home
he can't control Wayne and Jimmy's movements coming and going from the home now so it's also reported though that Wayne
is a very intelligent man and so maybe Mark had a little more faith in him that hey
if I'm paying him to kill the wife he's going to kill the wife and that's it I I don't think it's that big of a deal
I disagree I disagree all right so whether or not that is actual deal or not the thing that you can't it's I'm
having a hard time explaining is the text messages where it says other talk on other
to me that is fishy and if Mark can't explain that away the the thing here is you either have two very dumb guys
committing this murder or you have three dumb guys one who hired two dumb guys to
carry out the murder because they made as as far away as they came from Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers made
it very easy for the police to catch them there should have been very little to connect these two to to Bonita
Springs Florida right I mean don't put it into GPS you don't put it in a GPS you don't rent a vehicle in your name
you figure out how to get there without doing things like that you don't go to a
Walmart so you can be seen on video footage yeah but here's the biggest thing that even even a disorganized
mentally ill killer has avoided in the past when you beat somebody to death with a
hammer don't leave that hammer at the crime scene that presents a very big because
remember earlier you know there's some psychopath right now on their basement listening to us writing down don't leave
hammer well okay so earlier when we talked about how did the police track these guys down
we know look they didn't arrest them until until late August they were already on these dudes you can tell by
Sheriff Scott's words when he's talking to the reporter they were already into this story Into the story somehow back
10 days after the murder when he says you know what this was not a random thing I'm very confident when I say that there
are connections to the victim from the murderer in this case I'm very confident when I state that and I wonder if it was
something as simple as this did they trace that hammer we know they found the hammer
how hard is it to go you know what who distributes this hammer who do they distribute it to okay I understand that
there's like a million thousand Walmart stores and maybe every single one of them carries this particular make and
model of hammer I get that there's a lot of them out there that it could be a very common Hammer however there's a
chance that when they go how hard is it to go look this thing this Hammer is distributed to Walmarts we got five or
six of them that are within a 30 mile radius of the crime scene oh there was one purchased at this Walmart on this
day at this particular time it was a cash purchase they bought everything that they bought that day
with a 100 bill now there would still be record of that sale they could go you go to all those
Walmarts and you say okay I need to see surveillance of who bought this there's a chance you even pick up the
person's license plate in one of the surveillance cameras in the parking lot one that I wouldn't they probably
wouldn't know who they're looking for no they wouldn't but you if you can if you can get uh a picture of the guy or
persons standing at the register at the time that the hammer was paid for well I think what probably tipped them
off is you know like we said Wayne looks just like Mark so you know what Mark looks
like so all of a sudden let's say you go to that Walmart and you're looking through video footage and all of a
sudden you see a guy the day uh you know the day before the murder takes or before they found the body you see a guy
buying a hammer that looks just like the lady's husband then you go oh [ __ ] but that's not the
lady's husband well who's this guy so I don't know where do you lean what's Your Gut Feeling telling you about this
case well I want to point out here captain that earlier I was not trying to make a strong argument for why Mark
Sievers might be innocent by bringing up his mother but I wanted to kind of put you in the shoe in my shoes where I was
trying to figure out where this thing would go because what we're going to have here and what we're going to see
once it finally gets to trial is you're going to have Wayne Wright saying I was hired by Mark sivers to kill his wife
you're going to have Mark Sievers coming forward with the defense saying I had nothing to do with this Wayne Wright is
a crazy bastard and he killed my wife and then later tried to blame it on me so you're going to have two very
conflicting stories and I was wondering where I could find things that would make me question who was involved and
who was not involved and I will state again I do believe that Bonnie Sievers is a bit of a loose end for Mark being
involved in this now here's the thing what I mean by that is what if these killers decide to kill your mother
that's not who you hired them to kill however if Mark sivers is just a complete horrible dude psychopath guy maybe he
doesn't care if his mom happens to get attacked or something happens during the course of them carrying out this
quote-unquote Mission the other thing is and you're right they wouldn't have to necessarily kill Bonnie Sievers but
that's out of your hands once you put them those men inside your home and your potential mom inside the home at the
same time you know obviously you're a piece of [ __ ] if you're hiring some guy to come in kill your wife and she and
it's not just your wife it's the mother of your two children well yes obviously obviously but I still think that the
mother is a a bit of a loose end yeah they don't have to kill her but guess what the the
plan what they were hired to do that's off now you can't bump into Bonnie Sievers and then later that night Teresa
Sievers is murdered in her home and that's that's not easy to put piece together right right but I I think they
have more here I mean they were able to uh take death penalty off the table and I don't think law enforcement or the
prosecutors would have done that if if Wayne wasn't able to give them mark on a silver platter and with this loose
evidence that we have that's not enough to rest Mark so there had to be something else to even just get that
arrest well and then I have to then I have to question Wayne Wright's story right okay so why would his story be
right when I'm saying that there's this loose end for Mark's story so the loose end for Wainwright story is
Jimmy Rogers you have this violent guy that you're bringing down there with you and if the story goes as it goes that
that you're hired to commit murder he's there for the sole purpose to make sure that this murder happened because it
appears that if they were hired for murder that Wainwright was not comfortable doing it by himself yeah he
might not have thought he could exactly because I mean he but he's friends with Mark so he could have been friends with
Teresa why would Wayne Right be or I'm sorry why would Jimmy Rogers be a loose end for Wainwright well the problem here
is if you don't get paid to carry out your task remember they're supposed to get paid from insurance money insurance
money only gets paid upon someone's death so that means that you bring this guy down there with you you kill somebody
and if you're not getting that money from Mark you have no way to pay Jimmy the hammer Rogers who could in turn
later kill you for being upset that he didn't get paid ten thousand dollars for going down there and helping you so
that's the loose end for Wainwright that's the part he's not going to be able to explain away until you get to
this there was forty thousand dollars in a safe in that household it was it was not take the for the money
was not taken from the home the strange thing I find about their actions that day was they showed up at
the home at 6 A.M they left the home and went to Walmart to purchase what we believe items to
kill Teresa Sievers with and to clean up with afterwards one of the items that they purchased
during that visit was a lock pick set why would they show up why would they need a lock pick set when we know that
they probably entered through using the code through the garage door and then entered the home and typed in the
security code they don't even need a key to the house let alone a lock pick set to break into the home
so then I got to wondering is there a chance that Wainwright knew that they had a safe in the home with forty
thousand dollars in it and if he did does he hire this Punk Jimmy Rogers to ride shotgun with him go down he knows
maybe he assumes all four family members are going to be gone until the following
day that he wouldn't encounter anybody would not have to kill anybody that he went down there behind his friend's back
just to steal forty thousand dollars from this house he gets to the house why would they show up to the house first
and then leave and then come back that's strange too it's almost like okay you know a lot of us know our friends pretty
well there's some people that I'm sure go you know what he's told me time and time
again there's forty thousand dollars in the safe and I know he keeps the keys on
his desk you show up at 6 a.m you get to the desk there's no keys there now you need a lock pick set
so I wondered if he went back in one of the purchases being the lock pick set to
pick the lock to the safe to rob the safe and leave there not intending to kill anybody no they intended to kill
people they bought a hammer they bought rubber boots they bought trash bags I understand
I understand I'm just kind of walking through this thing you're setting land mines along my road here yeah but they
they show back up to the house Teresa stumbles upon their little breaking and entering situation they freak out and
kill her that could be an argument for Wainwright there's another issue here though
when you start pulling through all these things of why and who could be involved
and who could be innocent the other problem is though why did they have forty thousand dollars in the house
to begin with we've heard time and time again they're a living paycheck to paycheck Mark was in charge of the
finances it doesn't seem likely to me that it that a family living paycheck to paycheck would choose to have forty
thousand dollars sitting inside their home maybe she didn't know about the money though that's what I'm getting at
and that's what I think Mark's going to have a big problem explaining when he gets to trial is that why was that forty
thousand dollars in the house was that forty thousand dollars want a a down payment to these guys that are going to
show up and kill your wife and B were they supposed to break into that safe or pick the lock to make it look like it
was a burglary that wouldn't be traced back to Mark or any of his friends exactly and I think you're right on
something one thing you're you're incredibly right about here captain and I and I hope you're right because I
share the same suspicion I think we are not hearing about potentially a mountain
of evidence against Mark Sievers it's going to be so interesting when this thing finally gets to court what
evidence ends up coming out and how much of it is not produced just based off of
what Wainwright says right and so somebody is a horrible piece of [ __ ] it's either a group of two or a group of
three and hopefully law enforcement gets to the bottom of this and the real victims other than Teresa are the
children because they lost not only their mother but now they lost their father foreign
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One of Southwest Florida’s most well known and captivating cases has been the murder of a successful, well liked Doctor from Bonita Springs. Doctor Teresa Sievers was found dead inside her home on the morning of June 29th, 2015. She was home alone when she was attacked. Her husband and daughters were out of town visiting family. Some suspected the murderer was a former employee. The neighbors feared a madman was on the loose. Today we know most of the story and as usual, the truth is stranger than fiction. This week we discuss the murder of the good Doctor and the painstaking investigation that followed. Beer of the Week - Bone Hook Pilsner Garage Garage - 3 and 1/2 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Dr. Teresa Sievers was murdered; suspects arrested include Jimmy Rogers and Curtis Wainwright, with possible involvement from her husband, Mark Sievers.

Key points

Sheriff's Determination. Sheriff Mike Scott vows to find the killer of Dr. Teresa Sievers, stating, "I want a killer Behind Bars."
Arrests Made. Two suspects, Jimmy Rogers and Curtis Wainwright, are arrested in connection with the murder of Dr. Sievers.
Complicated Circumstances. The lead detective describes the case as a "most complicated set of circumstances."
Chilling Confession. Taylor Shoemaker reveals Jimmy Rogers' plan to murder Mark Sievers' wife for money, saying, "He said to make money... by murdering Mark's wife."
The Hammer. Taylor describes how Jimmy Rogers refers to himself as 'the hammer,' a nickname he created.
The Deactivation of the Alarm. On June 28th, the Sievers home alarm system is deactivated at 6:09 AM, raising suspicions.

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