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[Music] crime on June 28th 2015 Dr Teresa sers flew home from Connecticut to her home
in Florida without her husband Mark and their two daughters the following morning on June 29th she was found
brutally murdered bludgeon to death inside her home now on July 6th just a little over a week into the
investigation of the death of Teresa sers there is finally a little bit of good news at least for those in the area
of the siver's home this is when Sheriff Mike Scott told a local reporter quote I
am like you or anyone else I want a killer Behind Bars we are working tirelessly Scott said all hands are on
Deck here literally he went on to say it's a very complicated case there are details I wish I could share but I
cannot mhm I take a little bit of comfort knowing it's not random or arbitrary Scott said of the murder he
says his investigators have processed hundreds of pieces of evidence from inside the home and elsewhere including
from cell phone and computer records from the home and from the office he also said that he believes everything
that they have in this case and he States it's a lot gives him comfort in saying that this is not a random murder
this is not arbitrary there are connections that will continue to develop when asked about whether people
should be conc concerned about a killer still on the streets he said this the the good news with homicide is generally
speaking random murder is not the case generally speaking there are connections I think that's the case that will play
out here as well two months after the murders take place the arrest will be made yes these are some new suspects
that we've not even spoken about yet captain and this was taken from the Florida today
newspaper from August 27th 2015 the headline the Lee County Sheriff's Office announced an arrest in
the murder of a well-known Estero doctor during a press conference Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said they apprehended
Jimmy Rogers for the killing of Dr Teresa sers who was found dead in her Bonita Springs home in late June mhm
details were not provided on the arrest or how investigators made the connection
between sers and Rogers Scott declined to take any questions the spokesman for the Sheriff's Office could not provide
an exact spelling of the arrest man's name the Sheriff's Office issued an arrest warrant for Rogers on a charge of
second deegree murder according to a federal arrest warrant Lee Detective Mike DS contacted a federal probation
agent Monday that Rogers was in the Walmart on Mile Cypress Parkway the day before the
murder which is a violation of Jimmy Rogers probation sers was killed nearly two months ago on June 29th Scott called
Sever's case very much an ongoing and active investigation and said the homicide is a most complicated set of
circumstances Scott said the FBI and the state attorney's office are involved in
the case now one thing that I there's several Shockers here in my opinion that are not included in the
Florida Today article that we just read first Jimmy Rogers is and was living in Jefferson County Missouri both at the
time of Teresa sver you know death when she was killed and months later when he is later arrested which is what
roughly uh 1100 miles or so away the other thing too that we've already brought up nobody
we've not spoke about this guy but that's because nobody knows who this guy is not Teresa's family not the people at
her office not the neighbors that were so concerned that a Madman was on the loose then later that day another
bombshell there's a second arrest is made and this is Curtis Wayne Wright was arrested he too in Jefferson County
Missouri but there's there's one big difference here with Curtis Wayne wri a lot of people know who Curtis Wayne
Wright is right yeah but the the weird thing is when they show his picture like you know you're reading an article
normally and there's some picture that goes with the article yeah like most people stop reading the article because
this guy looks exactly exactly like Mark sers yeah so to describe Mark sers for you would be the
same way of describing Curtis way right he's they're they're men who shave their
heads have glasses and it appears to be damn near identical glasses uh prescription glasses that they wear and
they both have goatees mhm and they have a similar build too yeah I've heard people say that they they they look like
twins but the the crazy thing to me is and we should Curtis Wayne Wright he goes by Wayne so just to you know smooth
it out a little bit we'll call him Wayne Wright from this point on so we have Jimmy and Wayne Jimmy Rogers and Wayne
Wright yes and they're both arrested in Missouri correct nobody 1100 mil away the difference between Jimmy and Wayne
is that Wayne is best friends with Mark sers yes he's he's not only best friends
with Mark sers he also works for uh Loosely works for Teresa and Mark sers as well he's a computer it guy he went
to college for a computer and he he was the guy that said up the computers at the Dr T's office mhm and he would he
monitored them he would um I love when we talk about computers because I just I don't have any words no words come out
right but it it's because you know the subject so well that it's hard for you to explain it to the Layman to us you
know m to the lay person yes Mortals but yeah if the computer system went down he
would fix it he he made sure that the computers kept up and running at the doctor's office
okay the two are also uh not just best friends but they've been best friends since almost their childhood right you
know so even Mark siver's family is where well aware of Wayne Wright now what's the connection how do you connect
these two guys from Missouri to the death of Teresa sers well we have them both on camera at a Walmart that's less
than 6 miles away mhm the day before or the day of it would well would have been the Sunday
it would be yeah on Sunday the 28th now so in building the case and I'm a little
unclear as to how exactly the police got to Jimmy Rogers and Wayne wri one thing
I found but I could not verify this to be 100% accurate so take this for what you will it it sounds to me like these
two jokers well they talked a lot they talked a lot about going to Florida beforehand M and and they talked about
having been to Florida when they got back one of the two I believe it was Rogers even texted someone or had a
phone call with someone while he was in Florida someone from his work had contacted him asking if he could come in
to work but he says he can't because he's still in Florida mhm now mind you this is at a time that that would have
put the two in the State of Florida like the captain said when Teresa sers was killed roughly so I've seen it suggested
maybe even reported uh I I have it in my notes but again I cannot confirm the crazy thing about this case
Captain there you know there is a lot out there and I know you thought thought this too there's a lot of information on
this case out there there's a lot of good information too uh so there was not a whole lot of time spent hunting for
info on this case there was just so much reading and uh so much to consume and think about mhm because you you know I
the thing is I want to remind you of what the lead detective on this case said and I think he is exactly right
when he described this case as a most complicated set of circumstances because it truly
is right but this part of the case isn't that complicated we have two individuals
that traveled over 1100 miles we have them within a 10mi radius of the murder taking place we now have one of the vict
or one of the suspects Wayne has a direct connection with the murdered victim MH worked for her was best
friends with her husband and we have uh probably evidence at the scene uh fingerprints and things of that nature
we also have a list of what they bought at the Walmart we have phone records we have text records that they were in
Florida we have Jimmy talking with his girlfriend at the time about being in Florida
and we also have the murder weapon that was right by the victim well okay so let's get into this a little bit I and
I'm trying to piece together how they got to these two individuals I think that it's possible that they may have
been contacted by somebody that knew one of them either Jimmy Rogers or Wayne Wright as I stated they were telling
people that they were going to Florida they were telling people that they had just been to Florida right so by now we
have both of these douche news in jail both have had their trailer homes raided at this point the police even got
information from Jimmy Rogers girlfriend that's right one of the suspects his his
girlfriend confesses to deputies that she knows exactly what happened this is Taylor Shoemaker rogers's girlfriend
tells detectives about his trip to Florida Taylor is going to relay a story to the police but we have to keep in
mind here that she has already been questioned by police before she gets in into this this questioning room here she
was questioned by police this was in front of Jimmy Rogers so later the two of them Jimmy Rogers and Taylor
Shoemaker are having a conversation she's going to relay this conversation to police she said during this
conversation she said quote he referring to Rogers started asking me like what do
I know about it I'm like well I know you went down there to kill somebody and then he said yeah she goes on stating I
asked him what he went down there for and he said to make money and then I asked him how does he make money he said
murdering Mark's wife then Shoemaker recounts how Rogers then laughed when explaining how he had killed Teresa
Taylor told the police quote I said did you shoot her and he said no and I said then how did you kill her then he made
this stupid little chuckle that he does and then he said with a hammer she also told detectives that Teresa's own
husband Mark sers hired Wayne Wright to kill his wife she says suspect Curtis Wayne Wright then hired Jimmy to help
out to help out without Mark's knowledge Taylor told police the hammer well that was his weapon of
choice because quote everybody calls him Jimmy the hammer all of his friends back
home yeah but nobody calls him the hammer he calls himself the hammer like on his Facebook or his mypace or
something he was Jimmy the hammer Rogers right okay but he he made it up himself
and and it was like one of those names it would be like your you know your friend coming hanging out in the garage
saying hey call me the hammer and everybody else is like yeah we're not doing that we're not doing that [ __ ] but
yeah and then he then Jimmy goes on to say that I believe that Wayne tried to hit uh Teresa
first and then he end up taking the hammer from um Wayne and and doing it himself yeah so Taylor Shoemaker she
says that when the police were questioning her and and Rogers together that that's when she knew something bad
had happened when he went to Florida but she also like threw out some items some
gloves and like a shirt from their truck yeah and that actually happened after the police spoke with the two of them
now when they spoke with the two of them it was a very loose kind of casual interaction it wasn't like they brought
them in for questioning and separated them and did all that jazz no this was just they went to a place where they
both were it could have been one of their homes or their home that they were sharing I don't know but they they just
kind of sat down asked where you were what were you doing these things here here's how how I handle that questioning
right interrogation right you be you be Jimmy okay okay I go Jimmy Rogers yes sir can I call you the hammer
that's what everybody calls me and then I just call my hammer the whole time that's how that would work what happens
is after they get this kind of casual interaction with the police that's when Jimmy Rogers gets in the car with his
girlfriend and says you know they drive out into the country and I think it was near either his parent his mother's home
or her mother's home I'm a bit uncertain of this but they're driving out some peaches they're driving out on uh some
country road and he's instructing her to throw some items out of the the vehicle
right these end up being clothing items which she does later lead the police to these items and and they're all
recovered exactly where she said they would be recovered from yeah and so it's kind of weird cuz you when you watch the
not the interrogation but the questioning with her you do feel bad for her cuz sometimes the police are like
well why did you do that she's like well I'm I'm riding in a truck with somebody
that I think just murdered somebody he didn't even know with a hammer she was afraid of him very obviously afraid of
him and um she probably was you know it's to me when when I hear her speak and I read her words mhm it's
like when when the police showed up to ask some questions kind of randomly this would have been out of the blue to her
you know what I mean this would not be something she was expecting it was like a light went off for her during that
kind of questioning like holy crap this guy has done something right but mind you he broke his probation going to
Florida anyways so we know that he was convicted of something before he was in jail that's how Jimmy and Wayne met each
other MH was in jail so when she's dating him you know she probably was trying to give him the benefit of doubt
he was went to prison maybe he's changed you know everybody in there is innocent
right well right but what I'm saying is no I'm sure there's a couple that are like I did it
whatever uh Joseph methany yeah yeah I did it and I did a lot of other stuff I cook them cooked them up and put them in
hamburgers my point is that she's dating this guy she's probably trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he you
know made some mistakes and now he's trying to change his life but once this starts coming out you're going well he
he didn't change his life and now you'd be scared you know what and here's this is a little off the subject here Captain
but one thing that I I cannot stand and I know he's he's a bad dude so it's easy
not to like him Jimmy Rogers dick no but I cannot stand people that give themselves their own
nickname look what thanks a lot I did it for I did I did it to protect my ref I forgot I was speaking with a person like
I was trying to teach kids you gave yourself an alias that's different you gave yourself an alias let me tell you
about this this one guy I used to work with the first time I worked with him the first day he goes um You can call me
cricket and I said okay he tells informs me everybody calls him cricket and I said okay well what's the significance
how did you get that nickname name he says back when I was in high school there was a kid used to sit next
to me in class and all the kids called him cricket and I really liked that so I gave myself that nickname right after I
graduated high school very awesome very creative let me tell you here's one thing I think we should do Captain
because we're able to piece together a very good uh timeline regarding what we can what we know happen because this is
what the police Le can later prove happen during this whole circumstances and I think the waters might be a little
murky at this point so I think we should go through this clear-cut timeline to lay out what happened because there's
other suspicions involved here we have this Taylor Shoemaker stating that Jimmy was hired by Wayne who was hired by Mark
sers right well Wayne and Jimmy are arrested Mark sers is not arrested he's still living at his home with his ERS in
in some fashion still running the the doctor's office right but mind you this is pure
speculation because this is just what Jimmy told her and we we don't know but what we do have is we have Jimmy and
Wayne now in the custody of law enforcement so it it took a lot to get here but what really happened what can
the police tell us that happened and what are they going to try to prove so this is a pretty comprehensive ensive
timeline so if you're lost this will fill you in so if you don't pay any attention to anything else we say pay
attention here right so in December of 2010 Curtis Wayne wri was arrested from the discovery of meth methampetamine lab
he serves time and is later released while serving time he meets this guy named Jimmy Rogers Rogers was a petty
criminal for most of his life but before you know for being arrested for a weapons charge which was a much more
serious charge in September of 2014 Jimmy roggers is released from federal prison in May of
2015 Curtis Wayne Wright marries he gets married and at the and the wedding takes place in Missouri now
this is important not only because it's shocking that anyone would marry Wayne Wright but some have speculated that
this is is where some of the planning for the eventual murder might have happened because at Wayne Wright's
wedding Mark sers he was he the best man at this wedding Captain he was he was in
the the Grooms you know he at least a groomsman so Mark's there he's at Wayne's wedding but so is Jimmy Jimmy
Rogers is a guest at this wedding the hammer now it's uncertain it's not clear if the two actually met or interacted
during this time but it puts all three of these these guys in the same place at the same time mhm and it's my
understanding that Teresa sers Mark's wife was not present at this wedding right then that takes us to June 26 this
is just two days before the attack June 26 2015 Jimmy Rogers worked from 900 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. that day and then he
was scheduled to be off until June 30th so a short time after leaving work which he was telling everybody at work
he was going down to help his cousin with something in Florida it's weird because he he had told multiple
different stories uh about why he was going to Florida and it's almost like he's bragging about this trip you you'd
mentioned the thing about the cousin he also said something about um uh he was going down there to work a job that was
going to pay him quite a bit of money then there's this thing about visiting somebody and it was an all expenses paid
trip so yeah he he had a few things that he threw out there to people yeah Captain dick knows yeah so sometime
after leaving work on that day on the 26th he meets up with Wayne Wright and the two of them depart for oh here's
another story they ran a car right but they depart for what he told Jimmy Rogers told his girlfriend would be a
$10,000 weekend job he doesn't tell tell her what the job is so as you stated Wayne Wright rented a vehicle in his
hometown the vehicle was complete with a GPS system now police were later able to
determine that the vehicle rented by Wayne Wright on the weekend Teresa sers was killed that somebody had typed
Teresa sers address into uh into that GPS system routing out a map to her murder ha got him got him yeah so if
that's not enough evidence so then they get down to Florida mhm and they get down there on a Sunday and I believe
they arrive at their destination the siver's house mhm and then guess what they type into their
GPS some coordinates to the local Walmart well I I there's some stuff I want to get into before we go go to that
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[Music] that all right we're back you Rowdy bastards and we were just talking about Wayne Wright and Jimmy
Rogers renting a vehicle and then according to the GPS making their way to Florida just two days before Teresa sers
was killed now this is the thing I wanted to bring up Captain was this and this is where I think things can get a
little scary or at least weird for reasons that we will explain later but on the on the morning of Sunday June
28th M the Sever's home security system their home alarm system is Dea activated
at 609 a.m. okay now the reason why this is strange is because Bonnie sers Mark siver's mother she's not coming over to
the house until after 8:00 to take care of the dogs right so we could assume this is Wayne and Jimmy deactivating the
alarm yeah they they go to the Sever's home they have no trouble getting into the home and then they deactivate the
alarm right but now Wayne is their it guy for computers and phones and stuff like that he might be their it guy for
their alarm system as well he might know the code he could have set up the alarm
system he could have even installed the uh garage door opener that you punch the
code into to open up the garage possible this would put him in give him access to
the home without even having a key to the front door so after the siver's home alarm system is deactivated at 6:09 a.m.
on June 28th then later we have Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers they're spotted at a Walmart on 6m Cypress Parkway in
Fort Meyers Florida this is roughly about 20 miles from from Teresa siver's home yeah they they are actually on
video footage yeah you see them standing together mhm and while they're there they're going to pick up some items and
one of those items is going to be a Hammer Hammer rubber boots they also purchased some trash bags and a lock pit
uh Lockpick Set MH basically a murder kit yeah they they did purchase some other items while they were there but
those are the ones that stand out well at approximately 8:10 a.m. that morning the sers home security alarm system is
now reactivated now during the day Mark sers speaks to his mother telling her to
telling her to leave the home alone alarm system off because remember she tells Mark when they have their
conversation look I'm having some trouble with the alarm system right and that's because it was already because it
was already shut off by Wayne and Jimmy yeah so you know most of these alarm systems you either you type in the code
and you hit press one to turn it on or two to turn it off well let's just assume that um Mark's mother didn't go
to school for computer so she's going up to alarm system right if alarm system is
on I put in my code right and then it goes alarm off but if the alarm is off and I go up to
it and go let me put in my code doesn't do anything so when it didn't do anything she probably thought
what the hell am I doing wrong or there's a chance that she turned it on but here's what I here's what I think
happened because the words that the police use are deactivated and reactivated okay so she turned it back
on by putting in the code yeah so what would have happened in that circumstance Captain is that when she left the day
before after leaving the house she turned on the alarm then somebody showed up unbeknownst to her at the home and
deactivated the alarm before she returned Jimmy and Wayne yeah so when she returns to the house she thinks
she's turning off the alarm when in fact she's turning it back on MH and so therefore probably uh when when she
would go to leave you know there there's she's said they've h jacked the the system that's supposed to be running
it's supposed to be on when she returns however it's not so I didn't do a great job of explaining that but I think you
get what we're going with that so his he tells his mom look if you're having trouble with the alarm don't bother with
it because after you let the dogs out later today my wife Teresa she's coming home
that night so it's not like the house is not going to be monitored for very long
before she returns right plus there's two people sent to murder her well in this at 4:13 p.m. on that Sunday Bonnie
sers leaves the home the sers home for the final time and as instructed she does not turn on the alarm sometime
after Bonnie leaves Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers return to the siver's residence they lay and wait there for
Teresa to return at 10 p.m. Dr Teresa sers her plane touches down and South Southwest Florida International she then
calls Mark her husband to tell her him that she arrived safely at 10:55 p.m. Dr sver sers leaves the airport driving the
family's blue van and goes directly to her house then she arrives at home alone it
was at 9:00 a.m. the following day that her office opens she's late they call Mark sers who then in in call calls the
neighbor to go check on the house mhm and we all know what happens from there mhm now later that same day Dr siver's
family Mark and the two girls they arrive back to Florida from Connecticut it's the following day on
June 30th that Jimmy Rogers is back in Missouri and he shares with his employer that he just made a 16-hour trip by
Highway to visit his recent law school graduate brother in Florida M for an all expenses trip uh paid by his brother to
visit him on that same day on the 30th is when that sign goes up on the doctor's office
informing all the patients that Dr s sers has passed away her funeral was held on July 6th and it was on the 12th
of July that a SWAT team raids Wayne Wright's trailer in Missouri on August 24th the Lee County Sheriff's
Office they contacted Jimmy Rogers probation officer this is when they reported that they knew that Rogers had
been in Florida MH a neighbor well actually several neighbors told uh newspapers that they had seen uh Jimmy
Rogers trailer being raided by police he's later arrested for violation of the probation itself but it wasn't
until the following day on the 27th when Jimmy Ray Rogers and Curtis wri are charged
with murder with the murder of do Teresa sers now the strange thing here Captain
is it wasn't until 6 months later when in late February of 2016 that Mark severs is finally arrested at his home
in Bonita Springs Florida right and I I think the thing is you you have to have some kind of connection and when you
have Mark sers like we said earlier in part one that you know he turned over his phone he turned over his uh computer
he also has this airtight Alibi multiple people he's 1300 miles away you know so the only thing here is
that he didn't murder his wife right but did he based off of what Jimmy Rogers is
saying did he set it up where he was going to pay Wayne and then the other question
here is one of the things that has said about Wayne and Mark's relationship was that Wayne really looked up to Mark and
that almost mimicked him when Mark shaved his head because he was going bald Wayne did the same thing right and
a lot of their friends in high school said these guys were super close but back in the day they didn't look like
wins almost like one person is um mimicking the other and you got one guy living in this trailer and another guy
married to a successful woman running a successful practice where they're paying
you to do it work and phone work you know so your friend is married to has a lot of money lives in a big nice house
you start wondering is Mark involved in some way or is this some plan that Wayne
came up with all on his own well we should also throw out there too that that they have the appearance that they
have a lot of money it actually looks like once you get beneath the surface that they they probably didn't have a
lot of money that the finances were being mishandled somehow well yeah they were making a lot of money they were
spending a lot of money I mean I tell the story all the time I used to have this this stupid ass dick face I mean I
mean he was just the worst human in the world I think he drove like a Porsche or
something the guy would come in all smug and he like it's like he sprayed his colog 10 times too many mhm you know and
so I remember one time he puts eight grand into the bank so he put the eight grand at the
bank but he was like negative seven Grand right right so he comes in the next day and then there's
more fees so he he puts in eight grand or whatever he now down to like $200 mhm he's like um give me a, And1 100 so I go
well you only got hundred something dollar left you know so my point is you know and then of course he was pissed
he's like dude I gave you $88,000 yesterday I was like yeah but you're in the negative you owed us that much right
so but my point is they were making a lot of money yeah she was a very successful doctor the problem there was
they were spending more money than they made and so so but still it's that lifestyle you still have nice cars you
still have a nice house this is something uh and also we have an open relationship and possible swinging
happen happening is it possible that you know he comes there he drives 1300 miles
he's hanging out with him one night he's drinking with them that he ends up having sex with her at some point is
that possible possibly yeah and so if that happens is there some kind of jealousy thing on well we should be
clear about what you're kind you're kind of doing a balancing act on offense here
and I think we should be clear about what you're getting to because it the reason why Mark sers is arrested is
because Wayne Wright his best friend that happens to look exactly like him he he tells the police look Mark sers paid
me to kill his wife Mark sers orchestrated this whole thing or was going to pay me right right and so that
they didn't arrest Mark sers until 6 months later because they really had nothing on him until one of these guys
flipped on him now they right but what and it we need to be clear it took Wayne six months to flip on him yeah because
he was going to face the death penalty right uh and Florida is pretty good at at killing people so he probably got
scared now okay so up until this point we have Shoemaker Jimmy rogers's girlfriend mhm that she
can tell police all day and all night that you know what Mark sers hired Wayne and then Wayne hired Jimmy and this is
how this whole thing went down the problem is they don't have any evidence to that now when you have a guy that's
facing murder charges and the guy comes forward and he says you know what instead of putting me on the death
giving me the death penalty let's reduce this thing down to second degree murder
I'll plead guilty I'll plead guil guilty mm you give me 25 years and I'm going to
testify for you against Mark sers then boom you go arrest Mark sers now here's the big debate though the the the the
balancing act that the captain was doing here is this doesn't necessarily mean that
Mark sers is absolutely 100% guilty there's still some things that you have to analyze in this because you have and
and here's the thing when I went into this Captain I went into this looking at it like this Mark sers guy he's guilty
as can be there's no changing my opinion now where my opinion did change was and
yes you could say that the people that I listened to were biased however the people that changed my opinion were
listening to his family this Mark Sever's family his mother his his sister and then listening to some of his
friends that were not associated with Wayne Wright these people paint a much brighter better picture of
markers and these people this is what they're wondering they're not saying they're not saying 100% are markers that
we know and love is innocent what they're saying is this think about this idea that possibly
Wayne rright did this without Mark siver's knowledge and then once he's caught once he's busted the only
Lifeline he has left to throw out to save his own ass is to throw mark sers under the bus and be willing to testify
against him in court right but okay so what's the evidence against Mark let's get into that yes so the evidence
against Mark well this you can take this or leave this as far as you want to go for evidence but there were there was
four over four million dollars worth of life insurance uh planned to pay out upon Teresa siver's death yeah this is
where it's interesting though it's four point some million .4 million but there was like five policies there's a lot of
policies yes which is odd so yeah I would think so and and also when you're when you're behind on bills and you're
constantly living paycheck to paycheck kind of a weird thing to pay out to have those five and we know that Mark is kind
of running that area you know she is running the practice but he's running probably payroll he's probably running
their finances he's kind of taking care of the kids why she's at work and there's been speculation captain and I
don't know if this is coming from the media or from the law enforcement but there's been speculation that Teresa
sever may not have been aware of some of these policies right that maybe he took
them out without her knowledge or forged documents here's the thing I don't typically think life insurance is a red
flag that's usually not a red flag to me I understand that it is motive at times
but what I mean by that is if somebody has a policy for 80,000 or $100,000 I kind of look past that as as a red flag
when I see policies that are for these large sums of money four millions $4.5 millionar and I understand when you have
a nice home and when you have children together that you should increas running a practice you should increase and carry
larger amounts of insurance but this seems like an extreme amount of insurance this seems like a warranted r
flag to me yeah and what else do we have against Mark well really we only have the words of of these these other people
that we know to be involved by their own admission uh into the murder of his wife
now Jimmy roggers to be clear has not told the police he's not said hey I'm guilty and I'm willing to cooperate
right but we have his girlfriend that's fed them plenty of information that makes him look very guilty the other
thing though is there are some here's what I wonder that's going to come out in in in trial there's been a
lot of communication between Wayne Wright and Mark sers and what I mean by that there's been more texting and
communication between the two of them than even Mark and his own wife Teresa MH now just having a longdistance
friendship could explain that way yeah but there's some weird stuff going on and him being involved in the business
could explain this way but there is some weird interactions uh you came across some things where
it's where Mark is calling referring to him as honey or baby when when talking to Wayne yeah um that's weird which we
you know he we don't know they could be joking around I don't know those were found from text messages that were
released to the public however they redacted a lot of the information within those text message so there's there's a
lot of missing portions of those conversations there's one thing that's incredibly interesting though and that
that's that Wayne Wright would say that a lot of the communication they did a lot of the organizing and planning of
this murder was done over a burner phone mhm that they both had phones untraceable phones right so this would
be like a prepaid phone that you'd buy somewhere right yep and what what is stated during some of those text
messages on their regular phones on their day-to-day phones right is you have situations where Mark sers is
talking to Wayne Wright and he's saying hey can you talk in 10 minutes or hey do
you got 15 minutes to talk and then he would use the word other in parentheses now police and police using
information given to them by Wayne Wright states that when they say other Mark is saying let's talk on these other
phones not have this conversation on our day-to-day our everyday phones and that's probably not even a text message
that's probably like an actual just pick up and call um so that's that is interesting so we have those two
pieces here's some strange things that I think about though Captain okay so I don't want to hear about the strange
things you think about well in relation to this case let's narrow it down a little bit let's let's focus on this
case so all right there's there's a couple issues here one we know Mark would have
had information that his wife would be returning from the vacation before and without the rest of the family he could
have passed that information along to Wayne that's an easy scenario we can all wrap our heads around the other scenario
is this if Mark is if I'm sorry if Wayne oversees their computers even just at their office even if it's not at their
home just their office let's say if office computers were used to purchase those plane tickets mhm then Wayne would
also know that information without Mark having told him that information if is done through a email or like you get
confirmations you know if you bought plane tickets you get the confirmation through your email so so that's possible
but here here's the other thing though too is and it's not saying that Wayne wouldn't know this information but
obviously it was the family is planning a trip and then she's going to come back
early mhm and so what a perfect time to do this right now what's weird is it's a
perfect time it's a perfect time for Wayne to do it it's a perfect time for Mark to tell Wayne to do it mhm Jimmy
and Wayne both were talking about this trip months in advance right mhm so to me that's a little more evidence leaning
to the fact that Mark is paying them because he would have known about the trip way more in advance you see what
I'm saying unless the tickets were purchased way in advance Advance right but then that would
be Wayne for whatever reason wants to kill her which we don't know what the motive would be mhm and he is planning
this months and months in advance because he hears about a trip mhm you see what I'm saying like if he wanted
her dead that bad for whatever reason like you I don't know I just think it's kind of weird okay let me throw this at
you because I I've been I've been going back and forth on this quite a bit because my thought is I I want to try to
hear out Mark s's family and I want to try to understand what they're saying now they've not presented these ideas to
anybody as far as I'm aware but what I could come up with was this the only problem I have with Mark
sers being involved in this is his mother Bonnie sers that throws that throws a wrench into the plan a little
bit you have Bonnie sers coming and going at times that she determines to let these dogs out and to
check on the house now Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers we know this because the the alarm system
was deactivated at 6:00 in the morning Teresa cers didn't arrive at home until 11:00 p.m. or 11:30 p.m. MH so they were
there for for like what 16 18 hours before Teresa returns to the home and I know they spent a lot of that time out
side of the home they went to Walmart and they went to the beach and they killed time waiting for Teresa to return
at 11 11:30 at night the wrench in the problem is they were they there's a chance that they were within a 60-minute
window of bumping into Bonnie sers yeah but they would have known they would have
known this stuff again this points towards Mark too they would have known her actions and whereabouts based off a
mark they wouldn't know that if Mark's not involved so they wouldn't have known when they could have got into the house
and when they couldn't have got into the house that she came once in the morning
and once at night and isn't it just so weirdly that uh that they're there the whole time that she's there
twice right right or maybe she's only there once on that Sunday but she never runs into them and then the murder
doesn't take place until probably after mid midnight right so no but what I'm what I'm saying
though is that that's a loose end for Mark sers if Mark knows Mark knows everything let's assume he knows
everything that's going on that he orchestrated this whole thing the loose end is his mother checking on the dogs
she you can tell your mother show up at 8:00 a.m. and let them out and then come
back at 400 p.m. and let them out once you leave for Connecticut you have no control over what time that woman
decides to show up to let the dogs in and out of the house right well all I'm saying is it's pretty easy if she was
only supposed to to go there once on Sunday it's this simple you text her in the morning hey what time do you think
you're going to go over there right M or hey we know or you're talking to her while you're on vacation and she's like
uh you know maybe you know your mom's a creature of habit if she says she's going over there at 8:00 it's going to
be between 800 and 9 no matter what M all I'm saying is it's a very small wrinkle to deal with and well it may not
even be a wrinkle to deal with and here's what I mean by this I think it's a big loose end I think it's a big
problem because if for some reason you you're sending people that you have paid to kill a woman so by by them signing up
for the job they're stating they're very capable of killing somebody in Cold Blood right how do you know they're not
going to freak out if they bump into your mother at the house and kill her okay so that is listen listen listen
that's not that big of a deal cuz they're best friends guess who would know who his mom is Wayne would know who
Mark's mom is she comes into the house he wouldn't go oh my God I thought it was Teresa right mhm that's what I'm
saying he would know and then if if Wayne was in the house and he bumped into Mark's
mom hey what are you doing here you don't have to kill her you just have to say I'm working on the security system
no I get that I get that but that's out of Mark's hands once he leaves for Connecticut all that stuff's out of his
hands he can't control his mother's movements coming and going from the home he can't control Wayne and Jimmy's
movements coming and going from the home now it's it's also reported though that
Wayne is a very intelligent man and so maybe Mark had a little more faith in him that hey if I'm paying him to kill
the wife he's going to kill the wife and that's it I I don't think it's that big
of a deal I disagree I disagree all right so whether or not that is actual deal or
not the thing that you can't it's I'm having a hard time explaining is the text messages where it says other talk
on other mhm to me that is fishy and if Mark can't explain that away the the thing here is you either have two very
dumb guys committing this murder or you have three dumb guys one who hired two dumb guys to carry out the murder
because they made as as far away as they came from Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers
made it very easy for the police to catch them there should have been very little to connect these two to to Bonita
Springs Florida right I mean you don't put it into GPS you don't put it into GPS you don't rent a vehicle in your
name you figure out how to get there without doing things like that mhm you don't go to a Walmart so you can be seen
on video footage yeah but here's the big thing that that even even a disorganized
mentally ill killer has avoided in the past MH when you beat somebody to death with a hammer don't leave that hammer at
the crime scene M that presents a very big because remember earlier you know you know there's some psychopath right
now in their basement listening to us writing down don't leave Hammer well okay so earlier when we
talked about how did the police track these guys down we know look they didn't arrest them until till late August they
were already on these dudes you can tell by Sheriff Scott's words when he's talking to the reporter they were
already into this story into this story somehow back 10 days after the murder when he says you know what this was not
a random thing MH we I'm very confident when I say that there are connections to
the victim from the murderer in this case I'm very confident when I state that and I wonder if it was something as
simple as this did they trace that hammer we know they found the hammer mhm how hard is it to go you know what who
distributes this Hammer who do they distribute it to okay I understand that there's like a million thousand Walmart
stores and maybe every single one of them carries this particular make and model of hammer I get that there's a lot
of them out there that it could be a very common Hammer however there's a chance that when they go how hard is it
to go look this thing this Hammer is distributed to Walmarts uh we got five or six of them that are within a 30 mile
radius of the crime scene oh there was one purchased at this Walmart on this day at this particular time it was a
cash purchase they bought everything that they bought that day with a $100 bill now there would still be record of
that sale they could go you go to all those Walmarts and you say okay I need to see surveillance of who bought this
there's a chance you even pick up the person's license plate in one of the surveillance cameras in the parking lot
well and the I wouldn't they probably wouldn't know who they're looking for no they wouldn't but you if you can if you
can get a a picture of the guy or persons standing at the register at the time that the hammer was paid for mhm
well I think what probably tipped them off is you know like we said Wayne looks just like Mark so you know what Mark
looks like so all of a sudden if let's say you go to that Walmart and you're look through video footage and all of a
sudden you see a guy the day uh you know the day before the murder takes or before they found the body you see a guy
buying a hammer that looks just like the lady's husband mhm then you go oh [ __ ]
but that's not the lady's husband well who's this guy so I don't know where where do you lean what's Your Gut
Feeling telling you about this case well I want to point out here captain that earlier I was not trying to make a
strong argument for why Mark sers might be innocent by bringing up his mother but I wanted to kind of put you in the
shoe in my shoes where I was trying to figure out where this thing would go because what we're going to have here
and what we're going to see once it finally gets to trial is you're going to have Wayne Wright saying I was hired by
Mark sers to kill his wife you're going to have Mark sers coming forward with the defense saying I had nothing to do
with this Wayne Wright is a crazy bastard and he killed my wife and then later tried to blame it on me mhm so
you're going to have two very conflicting stories and I was wondering where I could find things that would
make me question who was involved and who was not involved and I will state again I do believe that Bonnie sers is a
bit of a loose end for Mark being involved in this now here's the thing what I mean by that is what if these
killers decide to kill your mother that's not who you hired them to kill however if Mark sers is just a
complete horrible dude psychopath guy maybe he doesn't care if his mom happens to get attacked or something happens
during the course of them carrying out this quote unquote Mission the other thing is and you're right they wouldn't
have to necessarily kill Bonnie sers but that's out of your hands once you put them those men inside your home and your
potential mom inside the home at the same time well obviously you're a piece of [ __ ] if you're hiring some guy to
come in kill your wife and she and it's not just your wife it's the mother of your two children well yes obviously
obviously but I still think that the mother is a a bit of a loose end yeah they don't have to kill her her but
guess what the the plan what they were hired to do that's off now you can't bump into Bonnie sers and then later
that night Teresa sers is murdered in her home and that's that's not easy to P piece together right right but I I think
they have more here I mean they were able to uh take death penalty off the table and I don't think law enforcement
or the prosecutor ERS would have done that if if Wayne wasn't able to give them mark on a silver platter and with
this loose evidence that we have that's not enough to arrest Mark so there had to be something else to even just get
that arrest well and then I have to then I have to question Wayne Wright's story
right okay so why would his story be right when when I'm saying that there's this loose end for Mark story so the
loose end for Wayne Wright story is Jimmy Rogers mhm you have this violent guy that you're bringing down there with
you and if the story goes as it goes that that you're hired to commit murder he's there for the sole purpose to make
sure that this murder happened because it appears that if they were hired for murder that Wayne Wright was not
comfortable doing it by himself yeah he might not have thought he could exactly cuz I mean he he's friends with Mark so
he could have been friends with Teresa and why would Wayne Wright be or I'm sorry why would Jimmy Rogers be a loose
end for way well the problem here is if you don't get paid to carry out your task remember they were supposed to get
paid from insurance money insurance money only gets paid upon someone's death so that means that you bring this
guy down there with you you kill somebody and if you're not getting that money from Mark you have no way to pay
Jimmy the hammer Rogers who could in turn later kill you for being upset that he didn't get paid $10,000 for going
down there and helping you so that's the loose for Wayne wri that's the part he's
not going to be able to explain away until you get to this there was $40,000 in a safe in that household that
was it it was not take the for the money was not taken from the home the strange
thing I find about their actions that day was they showed up at the home at 6:00
a.m. they left the home and went to Walmart to purchase what we believe items to kill Teresa sers with and to
clean up with afterwards mhm one of the items that they purchased during that visit was a Lockpick Set why would they
show up why would they need a Lockpick Set when we know that they probably entered through using the code through
the garage door and then entered the home and typed in the security code they don't even need a key to the house let
alone a Lockpick Set to break into the home mhm so then I got to wondering is there a chance that Wayne Wright knew
that they had a safe in the home with $40,000 in it and if he did does he hire this Punk Jimmy Rogers to ride shotgun
with him go down he knows maybe he assumes all four family members are going to be gone until the following day
that he wouldn't encounter anybody would not have to kill anybody that he went down there behind his friend's back just
to steal $40,000 from this house he gets to the house why would they show up to the
house first and then leave and then come back that's strange too it's almost like
okay you know a lot of us know our friends pretty well there's some people that I'm sure go you know what he's told
me time and time again there's $40,000 in this safe and I know he keeps the keys on his desk you show up at 6:00
a.m. you get to the desk there's no keys there now you need a Lockpick Set so I wondered if he went back in one of the
purchases being the lock pick set to pick the lock to the safe to rob the safe and leave there not intending to
kill anybody no they intended to kill people they bought a hammer they bought rubber boots they bought trash bags I
understand I understand I'm just kind of walking through this thing you're sitting landmines along my road here
yeah but they they show back up to the house the Teresa stumbles upon their little breaking and entering situation
they freak out and kill her that could be an argument for Wayne wri there's the another issue here though when when you
start pulling through all these things of why and who could be involved and who could be innocent the other problem is
though why did they have $40,000 in the house to begin with we've heard time and
time again they were living paycheck to paycheck Mark was in charge of the finances it doesn't seem likely to me
that a that a family living paycheck to paycheck would choose to have $40,000 sitting inside their home maybe she
didn't know about the money though that's what I'm getting at and that's what I think Mark's going to have a big
problem explaining when he gets to trial is that why was that $40,000 in the house was that
$40,000 one a a down payment to these guys that are going to show up and kill your wife and B were they supposed to
break into that safe or pick the lock to make it look like it was a burglary that wouldn't be traced back to
Mark or any of his friends exactly and I think you're right on something one thing you're you're incredibly right
about here captain and I and I hope you're right because I share the same suspicion I think we are not hearing
about potentially a mountain of evidence against markers it's going to be so interesting when this thing finally gets
to court what evidence ends up coming out and how much of it is not produced just based off of what Wayne Wright says
right and so somebody is a horrible piece of [ __ ] it's either a group of two or a group of three and hopefully law
enforcement gets to the bottom of this and the real victims other than Teresa for the children cuz they lost not only
their mother but now they lost their father all right I still cannot tell you beautiful people about our announcement
so but we're getting closer yes we are so and we're not doing this just to tease people Captain likes to tease I do
like to tease poke people's stomachs pull their ears Wet Willies should we remind them
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event half a day but I'm going to be there for the entirety of the event this year we yeah we signed a contract that
will be there for the whole time now what it is is a bunch of people hanging out there's a bunch of activities
there's a bunch of events go to crimecon docomo we'll be there there's going to be a bunch of podcasts uh we hung out
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be there um it's loaded a bunch of other people up and vanished we got to hang out with Payne Lindsay last year had
some drinks with him uh we had drinks with Bob Ruff with truth and Justice mhm so basically we're going to be drinking
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One of Southwest Florida’s most well known and captivating cases has been the murder of a successful, well liked Doctor from Bonita Springs. Doctor Teresa Sievers was found dead inside her home on the morning of June 29th, 2015. She was home alone when she was attacked. Her husband and daughters were out of town visiting family. Some suspected the murderer was a former employee. The neighbors feared a madman was on the loose. Today we know most of the story and as usual, the truth is stranger than fiction. This week we discuss the murder of the good Doctor and the painstaking investigation that followed. Beer of the Week - Bone Hook Pilsner Garage Garage - 3 and 1/2 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the murder of Dr. Teresa Sers and the arrests of her husband's friends, revealing complex motives and connections.

Key points

Sheriff's Determination. Sheriff Mike Scott vows to find the killer behind the murder of Dr. Teresa Sers.
Arrests Made. Two suspects, Jimmy Rogers and Curtis Wayne Wright, are arrested in connection with the murder.
Chilling Confession. Taylor Shoemaker reveals Jimmy Rogers confessed to planning the murder of Mark's wife.
Self-Given Nickname. Jimmy Rogers is known as 'Jimmy the hammer' among friends, a nickname he chose himself.
The Wedding and Its Implications. Wayne Wright's wedding raises questions about potential murder planning. 'It's shocking that anyone would marry Wayne Wright.'
Suspicious Walmart Purchases. Wayne and Jimmy buy items that suggest premeditated murder. 'They purchased a murder kit at Walmart.'

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Sheriff Scott reassures the public about the murder investigation.

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