Maura Murray /// Julie Murray Interview /// Part 2 | Forensic Files

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can you explain to me what kind of experience that is to be up there searching for your sister it's it's hard
to put in words um I definitely get some I get a certain feeling every time I go up to the area and it's hard to
explain the feeling that I get but I remember the first first time I went up not the first time but one of the one of
the Early times I went up and Kathleen my older sister Kathleen and I went to the tree at the ribbon tree where the
Saturn was found and we did it at 7:30 we were trying to replicate the conditions and I just kind of wanted to
like put myself in the same position that she would have been think about what I would have done and I like in my
mind I'm thinking to myself like I'm talking to her I'm like Mara okay the car the car the airbags
just went off um the windshields cracked this bus driver stopped and asked me if I want the police to come
I'm freaking out what am I going to do am I going to run up the road why why do why do you think she didn't just get in
the bus with Butch I and that's another question I don't know like I don't know why I mean
I think think she was I think Butch came up upon her quickly before she was able
to figure out what her plan was going to be right I think she needed some time to
like get her bearings I mean her windshield was cracked she may have even hit her head I've always wondered if you
thought she would take off running I think maybe because I I've been friends with a
lot of longdistance Runners and when they tell you that they're going out for their daily run they're not going out
for three miles they might go out for 15 and so for her or anybody with her capabilities to be able
to take off in a moment's notice and and go well uh yeah I didn't want that guy to help me I don't know what I'm going
to do maybe if I just run up the road I'll find gas station or something yeah and the other thing was
that night was pretty cold I I think it was 26 degrees um and it was 7:30 on February so it was dark right very dark
um but I mean is is that even a possibility or that she would take off uh running or yeah so I've I've thought
about this I've had I've had a lot of time to think about different things yeah um and that's one of the thing
things I think about often and I I try to put myself in her shoes back then so that area Tamara in 2004 was not this
sketchy shady area she loved that area when we went up there camping twice a year we never ran into sex offenders we
never ran into people that were trying to hurt us or kidnap us everything was positive so she's up in this area and
she's got these mountains and it's snow and just she was in a you know a good space um or I think she was in a good
space she just wanted to clear ahead and um get this reinstatement fee taken care
of or whatever the reason is and so she wasn't I don't think she was afraid she was pretty Fearless
actually and so I think she could have said you know what I'm just going to yeah I'm going to run down the street
and figure this out so it's possible that she could have thought that she could have done that do you believe she
was drinking and driving again I don't know maybe um is that something that she did
before that you knew about I mean I don't I mean we're talking about a 21y old so of course I know that she drank
um I don't think she would have been that Reckless to try to to get hammered and drive that road so I don't think she
was hammered but did she have anything to drink maybe was she drunk I don't know right so we know she stopped at the
ATM and we know that she bought booze right yes what booze do we know that she bought cuz that's where it gets very
complex to me so she's telling her teachers in school hey I'm going to be gone it's not even certain that she's
saying she's going to be gone for a week right she's just saying I'm going to be
gone there's a f family emergency and then so she goes to the ATM well the ATM kind of makes some
sense because back in the day you couldn't pay a lot of those tickets online and if you most of the time um at
DMVs or bmv's you had to pay in cash so that kind of makes sense yeah the buying
the booze like a decent amount of booze doesn't make a lot of sense to me because even if she's just spending one
day there you know I'm going to spend one day there I'm going to pay my ticket then I'm going to go to my father's
house was your father the kind of person that you could show up with bottles of booze and be like hey Dad I got B
bottles of booze let's have a party you know well yeah I mean my dad he wouldn't have
cared but that it was my mom's house so my parents were divorced so um I keep call your dad's house but yeah I know no
that's problem um but my my M nobody in my family would have been like would have been upset that she had booze um no
um but what I can say is what was what was left in in the car so we we do know that she
went to the liquor store um in around UMass and we the police have a a receipt of what she purchased um um and then I
do know what was left in the vehicle um and so there was a box of franzy of wine
that was opened um in the back seat uh behind the driver's seat there was a 12pack of sky blue wine
coolers um and then this is where people get people have gotten this wrong for 16
years but people said she bought um Bailey's which is partially true she didn't buy Bailey but she only bought
one of those little nips right um those little $2 $1 nips a Bailey um so she didn't have a
full bottle of of Bailey so without saying too much that's what was left in the car so is there
other things that were left in the car that you think are helping law enforcement and the family with the
investigation yes and there was other things not left in the car right so items items possibly from the booze list
that weren't found in the car yes okay that's interesting what what does the booze
mean to you uh it means that um mudslides were her favorite drink of choice or no um black Russians White
Russians is it white Russians this is this is a drinking show all I know is it's not good for CrossFit it's too much
sugar and it's going to affect my Fran time so I can't have it this is why you have a clean room
um no but what I mean by it is I'm going anybody why would you buy a certain level of
booze yeah so what I'll what I will say is that she some of the booze that was left in the car was purchased previously
so it's just booze that she had yeah so just like extra booze and when you don't
have a lot of money and you're a college kid and you've got some extra booze and
you're trying to go on this trip why buy more just just use up the what you got any thought in your head that she was
with somebody uh i' I'd be very upset if she was and that person hasn't said anything not a single word to anybody in
16 years yeah cuz when when I've showed um or broke down some of the again not a
lot of the speculation from what happened before the wreck or speculation after the wreck but just this is what we
know from the actual crash site and then you have a neighbor calling in 911 and they have reported about this man
smoking which people have come up with different speculations that it was a light on her cell phone
but every investigator that I've brought that up to has said well I want to know
who was smoking by the car and I said well I think most people have looked into that and they've come up with
explanations but just because some people on the internet came up with some explanations doesn't mean that there
wasn't a guy smoking by that car that night yeah I agree with you and it's actually one of the few pieces of actual
evidence that we have because in the dispatch log it says man smoking a cigarette right in the dispatch log yeah
and and and we can come up go ahead I was going to say then people then State well that she kind of changes her her
story later and I go well isn't the most accurate Story the one that she told and
what they wrote down immediately You' think that'd be logical you'd think so I mean we don't have much evidence in this
case we don't have we're not privy to much much evidence U but that is one thing that's in black and white that so
I say you know I say I don't think she was with somebody for the entire trip um but
maybe when the accident happened somebody showed up smoking a cigarette yeah somebody could get out
out of their car somebody could have parked their car for a second got out walked up smoking a cigarette I mean
there's multiple podcasts just about your sister there's books been written about your sister what's your
initial thought when that stuff is happening well my initial thought is I'm thrilled I'm thrilled that that my
sister has the amount of attention that she does have I'm thrilled and um I know
that not every missing person case gets the attention that Mara has gotten where
where I start to become less thrilled is when the motivation behind some of these
people kind of takes a turn for more towards the selfish side um and away from actually trying to find Mora listen
I will talk to anyone I will help anyone I will answer any questions if it will help find Mara but to entertain some of
the ridiculous theories based on no evidence whatsoever uh to Crucify My Poor Dad um
to just drag people through the mud because they may have once looked at Mara you know in a random room one one
time it's just not right so that there's been some allegations against Bill Bill
Roush which was Mara's boyfriend there's been some accusations against him and he is going to be facing a trial
and it seems like his life went in maybe not such a great Direction after The Disappearance of
your sister has that stuff change your opinion on how he should have been looked at
well I what I'll say is my opinion of bill has never changed um from when I first met him I I stated that
opinion um most people know that that's my opinion um but that that opinion was based on his actions when he was
um a young 20 21 22 however however old he was right um do I think he physically
harmed Mara no because I don't have any evidence of that I she never once said hey Bill is abusive towards me um and
I've even told Bill this directly uh that if if I thought that he had hurt Mara I I would I you know I just I said
I would have hurt you um and I met you and I know that you could probably hurt bill yeah and I'm probably going to get
crucified for that but I mean I just I and and Bill knows Bill knows me I've known bill for 20 years um I I'm not a
lawyer I'm not a judge I don't know how to interpret charge sheets or any of that kind of stuff um
so I don't want to speak about the the mistress or the affair the current situations um but
what I will say is that I I'm I don't consider anyone cleared and I I encourage and and want people to look at
everyone look at me look at I mean no one's no one's cleared uh until we find more I've always thought bill should be
looked at pretty hard I mean come on the husband the boyfriend always did it but
it's hard to put him in New Hampshire and impossible impossible he was look at his phone records he was he was in
Oklahoma he was in the Army you can't just you can't just go where you want to go could he have could he have been off
post in Oklahoma yeah of course certainly but could he have been in New Hampshire there's no way right so then
it it just leads to this idea that that possibly wherever she was going uh he he
met up with her later has been the new speculation yeah well that that's hard for me to believe because I actually
know what happened when he was there and right during the surgeries he was with my dad and my dad gave him specific
directions hey I'm going to go meet with law enforcement or I'm going to go search this area I I need you and and
your dad Bill's dad Bill senior um to go check out this bus stop or gas station in Maine because my dad couldn't be
going to Maine and Vermont and almost up to the Canadian border because he had to
be there um to talk to people that may need to identify something of hers or right um he just needed to be there um
so he would send Bill on these missions to go check out different things pass out flyers but to my knowledge I mean
bill was with someone he he flew in he didn't even have a car yeah well and not just with somebody who's normally with
his parents but I do like what you said I I I think until she is found everybody should be looked
at you know simple as that and if they have nothing to uh hide and people actually do the work base those theories
off of actual evidence then then everybody can be looked at again and and everybody should welcome that as well
because it seems like we have a seven-minute window from the time she crashed to the
time that police showed up and and we have a girl gone it's it's pretty hard to wrap your
head around that and in the fact that nobody everyone looked away I mean there was plenty of neighbors around and
everyone looked away at the exact time that Mara disappeared off the face of the
planet um um but I mean as far as as far as Bill's concerned and and theories are
concerned um I want to just touch on this notion that I have a narrative to um push and I I always wonder about that
because what would my narrative be what what narrative would I possibly push like am I protecting someone that I
think hurt harmed or has my sister right is that my narrative well you're still mad about being the ball
girl right yeah you had to go back to that I'm sorry you know just when you think we're going to be serious I got
that no but it's it's serious but that's that's truthful and I I think like you were saying calling out certain people
for having motives for why they're are talking about your sister's disappearance why they possibly wrote
about your sister's disappearance and and then for people to accuse you of having some motive yeah
and like like I said like I'll I want I want this I want people to talk about Mara I want people to write about Mara I
want to be on podcast I want her name to be on I want it to be on every major News Network right now and just put a
picture up there and like marari missing of course I want that that would help hopefully help someone remember
something or remember seeing her or something it's when you're you're just wildly speculating to make a good
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50% yeah so you you want people talking about your sister you want people talking about her
disappearance and pretty early on you guys were contacted um by an author that was
interested in writing about your sister and her disappearance which something like that could
really create conversation and get people talking and and really be a um a good tool to
utilize in searching for your sister yeah and and initially initially we were and we were
intrigued and we're like wow this this this could be this could be huge um but also part of me was thinking well the
story is not over um right so it's h it's going to be half a book unless in writing the book we can find
we can find some evidence or find actually find Mara and so that was that was hopeful for us and we go through
these ups and downs of just clinging on some something to to keep us going right
um but when we we started looking into it and we we didn't just say oh yeah let's let's do this we we actually do
some research um and we researched um the individual and found out that some of the previous um I'll say projects
that he was a part of the family one particular family didn't have the greatest things to say did your
family reach out to their family and say hey we were contacted by this individual
and um I believe I think it may have been Helena Helena was is my Dad's cousin um she passed away unfortunately
um but she was instrumental at the beginning of keeping the case going um I believe she was the one that was
initially contacted I could be wrong on that um but she did most of the leg work
on it and was a little skeptical and that's kind of where it kind of opened our eyes to to look at who are these
people coming out of the woodwork like I don't know I I don't know this person at
all even if that little speculation just becomes hey well maybe not right now that doesn't mean not ever but maybe not
right now yeah but it seems like some of these people then also got offended yeah
and then that became that became that became a story there was a story line right there oh man the family
doesn't want A Book Like No we do we want all the publicity we can get like did you see my dad
screaming at the steps of the courthouse in New Hampshire for the FBI like that's
not what what a dad who's hiding things does it's just no I yeah you don't you don't scream at law en enforcement if
you're trying to hide something um right so it was you know it was just us saying
okay we we want want this but this may not be the particular approach that we want to go with or the particular um
person I don't know if we didn't know the person and we didn't know if the same thing was going
to happen to us as what had happened to other people that had interactions with the person I mean it has to be so odd on
some level though that your sister goes missing and you're very close with her and it's
I mean you can look up all these list and it's always on these list of either most mysterious disappearance
or Internet crazed cases that has to be odd on some level it's very odd especially
especially for me because I am I'm pretty much as introverted as you can get and awkward and I don't like this
Spotlight I don't I'm not the most articulate person I'm not the worst but I'm I'm definitely not the best and and
you're not the best at free throws and and I and I'm a ball girl and I'm just yeah it's it's not what I want but I've
realized that I have to do this it's hard for me it is it is hard for me um to force myself to do some
some of these things that I normally would would not do I mean yes I was in the military yes I was a an officer in
the Army and I had to do these things but it was structured and I had a reason and you know I had training and most of
the things that happen it's learn as you go there's no guide book um nothing can
prepare you for this I'm still learning um right and it's it's not easy how how often do you feel like cuz we met at
crime con and and it was like all weekend oh you got to meet Julie you got to meet Julie and I on thinking like
you're like The Wizard of Oz or something like you know like when is she going to appear um and then you appear
and of of course I'm like oh great she's a she's a stoic so I get real awkward around stoics I talk more uh so any time
I I meet uh somebody that talks less than me then it's just Off to the Races and but but I was thinking um cuz like a
couple people I said yeah well I'm hoping to meet meet Julie here and um talk to her about her sister and people
kept on asking me what I was going to say and I thought that was strange because I was
like I'm not meeting her at a funeral or awake but I've also seen family members that are trying to get their
cases heard by people and get the spotlight on those cases um where I've heard people talk to them
as if it's like a funeral does that make any sense yeah it makes perfect sense and
I'm just a regular person I mean well clearly you're not you uh you do CrossFit so yeah I have my little my little
quirks but I mean um I wish people would would just come up to me and talk about about normal
stuff and you know this is not new to me so a lot of times when people first find
out about it um because there are a few people left that don't that have never heard of marari um I'm I'm trying to
change that U but for people that that just hear about the case yeah you're right they come up up to me and they
they they're like I feel so sorry for you and it's like I've lived this this is my life for 16 years
like um it's not new for me um and I and I appreciate them because I know it's hard for them too like they don't know
what to say um but I want people to know and if you you know you see me walking around at crime conon or whatever and
you have a question about you know the the London da ping or the red truck or all the different crazy um things we
have going on in this case just just ask me about that and I love that I love and
I love to talk about Mar but I mean does some sometimes does it just hit you in a
different way I mean like when they showed you the ATM footage of her yeah oh yeah absolutely like um after the
oxygen show I had to go on to Dr Oz um not I didn't have to I was fortunate not that he was going to cover
the case and I was thrilled to do it and I was scared to death to do it and you know here I am like this tough person
and I just lost it like I normally keep it together but I couldn't like I just lost it I'm like I was embarrassed but
I'm like no I'm not embarrassed it's like it's just it was real and it you can you can see it's real and I let kind
of let that stoicism go for like a minute and then you'll see like get get it back together and yeah so there are
definitely times where things hit me like what hits me the most is when I am with my dad and I see him um talk about
Mara or like I see him his reaction to things that's the hardest for me um and a a lot of times well not a lot of times
all the time um people forget that my mom lived through this as well and and she passed away um to
cancer and um you know she was fighting her own battle with the cancer treatments while her daughter is missing
and she wasn't able to go up there and be as present um as obviously she would have liked uh and so it was very hard
for me to see my mom go through that and eventually pass away without ever knowing what happened to her daughter
yeah my my parents had a not a good divorce right but if but if something like this happened I think they would
want to be able to support each other it so I feel like that she probably not only about not being a to
se search but probably seeing the effect that it had on your father because like
we you know we've been covering cases for four or five years and that's the stuff that gets me all the time is
like there to me there's a there is is evidence out there too and just the way the way in which people say things and
there's been videos of your father that have just just crushed me you know and to think I know I know what's they like
how that would feel to be him um and just not have answers and not only that but it just doesn't feel
like in this case um it's almost like they they viewed your father in a negative
way because he was wouldn't shut up about it and it doesn't seem like they've been that um
Cooperative I don't know if that's the correct terms to use um but it seems like almost like
initially law enforcement was putting up barriers and I don't know if that has Chang since the the documentary came out
yeah well I I'm I'm happy to say that I did have a couple um sitd Downs with Chuck West who is from the Cold Case
unit the lead detective um and he like I said before he has shared some information with me um but if my dad
would have just accepted accepted whatever law enforcement said or accepted their you
know the results of their searches and never went up every weekend by himself then this case would would I wouldn't be
on here with you I mean this is all this is because of my dad that we're still talking about um a missing girl 16 years
later is there anything new that has come out that anybody should know about there I can tell you there are
there is a lot happening um behind you can't tell me any of it can you well no I can I mean I can no I'm not uh
I'm I don't need to yeah well I mean some of it they might have asked you to not share with other people yeah exactly
so I mean people think the Case is dead and you know the online community feels a certain
way I appreciate the online community but the actual case is is moving and there's things happening and there's
people that are a part so so much a part of this case that have no presence on social media that you would fall over um
to know that how hard some people are working behind the scenes and they're you don't even know their names um
because that's because they're in it to find Mara um not to say that people that
who you do know their names aren't um but there there is a small group that just wants no attention and just wants
to help Sol this case um so I say that to to say that um Things Are happening all the time I spend hours on this every
day responding to emails um talking to people I call my dad every single day um and we talk about the weather and then
we talk about his flowers and then we talk about Mara every single day um there are some things that that I'm not
able to talk about right now but I will be able to talk about in the future um but it's definitely things that are
giving us hope but but anything new that you can share well um one of the new things
is uh in the previous searches that we did with the GoFundMe money that was raised by um after the I forget which
crime con it was but Maggie Tim and Lance put together a GoFundMe um and initially I said I don't want to be the
financial custodian of any of that type of things because I don't want people to
say the muray are going on Disney vacations with yeah I mean just ridiculous stuff I mean you know how the
internet is um so we use that money to do several different searches of several different
properties um many of which Tim and Lance and other people have talked about on their podcast so I'm talking about
ground penetrating radar I'm talking about cadaver doog searches things like that um but we weren't able to do
were um testing of of those samples that we collected so I just recently pushed a
another um GoFundMe out there and I'll send this to you um and that is to get those samples tested yeah so we we've
got plenty of samples now we just need to take it to the next phase which is testing and we actually found um a
location that is going to do some of this testing for us at a fraction of the cost um and that's kind of the the
Catalyst behind the new GoFundMe the other thing is people ask me all the time what can I do what can I do and I
always tell them well just talk about Mara and which people are doing and and I appreciate that but there are some
people that you know maybe are in a different part of the country or even the world I mean this case is huge um
and so it gives them an opportunity to feel like they're contributing um in even a small
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able to donate 500 bucks from the show from the beer fun uh because of all you filthy animals so what are your thoughts
uh after hearing the interview with Julie yeah so so obviously this is people people don't know how we kind of
did this uh some people know that I was gone for a while and covering some cases
in Florida and we've been quite busy and you were able to sit down with Julie and
she's first of all thank you to her there are a lot of people that like would like to speak with her and thank
you for choosing our show to be one of the shows that you come on to to help clear up some of the things
misconceptions and also really just to provide more of the story of who her sister was is and what was going on in
her world at this time leading up to her disappearance because with this case there are so many questions
about what would have been Mara's motives even if they were totally innocent right about what she was doing
at the time when she went missing I mean you you could cut this case a hundred different ways and their speculation and
there are things that you could suggest point to your theory or point to what you think happened
here I found some of the things that she said to be interesting I I don't know that it cleared up a lot of the
questions that I have in this case and I don't know that Julie would be able to do that just they're they're living
different lives they're they're not walking hand inand through this world together at this time in Mara's life the
question always will be why was she in that area and why did she go there now obviously that might not have been her
destination but that's where she ended up for whatever reason where was she going I think that the the thing that
she pointed out in the interview and this is something that you told me about a while ago and I don't know when it
became public knowledge about this reinstatement fee for her driver's license I like that
theory I like it for several reasons it sounds like it's it's a plausible Theory
it's a logical Theory and it's also it sounds like Julie is providing us with information that would
require Mara to need to actually have the the use of a driver's license at that time I mean anybody who lives on a
college campus you lose your driver's license you don't got the money to reinstate it you don't got the ability
to do so you don't want to ask Dad for help I get it you you can just figure out a
way to get around on that college campus it sounds to me like there was an absolute need for her to have this
driver's license but then I run into the some of the simple questions that come along with that
theory one where did she lose the license from or where was it being threatened to be taken away
from why is this just coming out recently you know that that's the type of thing
that there's a paper trail and and I I'm a little confused on the details none of you know I don't
have any of the details from from our interview or from the the conversation that was had regarding that that portion
or or or the theory itself yeah and to break it down this ticket Theory simply is that she got the ticket on vacation
she had to appear in court within 30 days she did did so there was because she was speeding it was a 99 and a 65
that that's not good Bob that's not good Bob and why are you uh this is a girl that's not good
with cars they revoke her license she is going to have to pay a reinstatement fee
it's believed that she would have to pay this reinstatement fee because not every
BMV will actually do reinstatement fees so your county might have multi bmv's but maybe only one location where you
can pay that fee it seems like she would have had to pay that fee in Concord as I like this Theory and and I
do believe people should spend more time on this Theory because there is some logic to it you pointed out something
that I I find very interesting well I we were talking and you were filling me in on the details
about this reinstatement fee and look this is very plausible I'm not challenging anything that Julie says I I
like her I've met her too and I'm thankful that she sat down and spoke with you um I'm also not really
challenging I'm I'm a guy that Captain you know this this is pretty rare for me but I don't really have a
theory one that I'm married to in this case as far as Mar's case goes I think that there's some
unanswered questions there's too many loose ends here but I love these ideas if we can come up with some information
that will will kind of clue Us in and lead us down a different Road or to the answers to clear some of these things up
that's great that's where we need to go as far as podcast internet sleuthing All
That Jazz goes right well and and to be clear Julie says this is a possible reason that she's up there again right
this this would put her about an hour and a half north of where she would had to pay the ticket so I believe the
theory is that she was going to go up to an area which she was familiar with spend the night because obviously after
5:00 normally a lot of these bmv's close so go drive a little past maybe get some
booze maybe stay up there for the night come back down in the morning pay the ticket and then go back to your mother's
house I look and I don't want to misquote somebody else's Theory that's just what I'm speculating but it's very
strange to me that should be an hour and a half right uh north of of the location
of where she had to pay the reinstatement fee especially with not having much money as a college student
but again a lot more to dive into with this case right and that's what we were kind of talking about off air just a
second ago was that she's she's much further north and not far enough east of where she needs to be if in fact that
was her destination right and I get look a lot of people were going to point out
well she's traveling at night you can't go pay these fees in the middle of the night I don't think anybody's disputing
that she very well could have intended to make the drive and then take care of business the following day she's already
told what we do know she's already told people she's going to be gone for some days right so she very well could have
gone to take care of this during the daylight hours the next day and then made her way back it's it's very curious
to me though that she's so much further north than she needs to be and if you were going to make that look if if that
was her intention this is a business trip this is for her future this is part of her future if she goes and purchases
a new car to get registered on that car she's going to need to have a valid driver's
license right and if she thinks or is being told that her license has been revoked you don't have a valid driver's
license I also can't recall off the top of my head what years and I know it varies by state when you need to go and
apply for your license again or renew your license mhm um you know she's only a handful of months couple months away
from another birth date so there could be a multitude of reasons why she's worried about her driver's license that
may have been revoked the problem is she's an hour hour and a half north an hour and a half north of where she needs
to be to reinstate that license the other thing that's curious to me too is the believed phone calls that she made
prior to leaving or internet searches she made prior to leaving were all for places in Vermont and the quickest route
to where her car crashed and from UMass of Amherst would be up Route 91 and that
kind of that kind of trails right along the the Vermont New Hampshire border there's a big part of me that wonders if
Vermont was actually the definition the destination regardless of how close it was to the state line I also find
something curious here too if she was going to make this a leisurely business trip why does nobody else know about it
and and I get why Fred doesn't know about it okay you're trying to get a car you're you are Daddy's girl you're not
you're not doing anything wrong but he doesn't need to know everything you are an adult and he might be helping you get
this car maybe you don't want to give him one more reason to not assist you getting this car I get that where where
I'm going with this is to me she's buying enough alcohol for a party for more than one person for more than just
herself MH if that if if we can all get on board with that who is that other person where are these other people and
I also get this situation that you said maybe she's going to go get this reinstated the next day and then make it
over to her mother's house and stay there for a night or visit with Mom for a little bit and then make her way back
to college again where is that communication with mom maybe she was going to make that at a later time but
it well considered to be you know her home you know where it's like I drop in on my parents houses all the time I'm
not calling them if I'm in the neighborhood I drop by I'm not calling them right uh that's still my home so
maybe not yeah but again why contact your mom and say well I got to go pay this tiet what car are you driving the
Saturn ah I wouldn't do that um and you just think you can make it again my big question becomes like you you were
saying it's not only did you go buy booze but we know we have evidence that there's booze from the prior weekend
that she bought mhm so it's it's old booze plus new booze that's seems like a lot of booze
[Music] um that that's the thing that doesn't make a lot of sense to me and again I
still go back to this smoker by the car which a lot of people are going to be dismissive of uh but also I think one of
the things that I I really want to put out you know a big um why can't we all get
along argument right now is there's a lot of people in this case that are that have worked hard and SP spent a lot of
time investigating it and it seems lightly they spend more time attacking each other we might not agree on ideas
we might not agree always on Theory theories and and me and you don't agree a lot of times with cases but we still
try to show each other a level of respect and there's times that your thoughts have altered my thoughts and to
be open to that and I don't think people understand the harm that it does because
by putting out the these false accusations against people or just constantly trying to tear each other
down it makes it turns people away from the case itself and from the fact that there is a
girl that's missing and that the family cuz I've talked to Julie I got to talk to her another two hours and we wish we
could have shared that information but it's information that's really close with law enforcement and they don't want
that information out there because it's serious leads that they're following and
serious people that they have under a magnifying glass and they don't want to them to know that they're under a
magnifying glass and when they need these experts to come in they don't want these experts looking on the internet
and seeing this case as a joke because it's not a joke a family is missing their daughter and the family is missing
their sister and friends are missing their loved one and so this childish actions between people
I wish would stop because you're making a joke like I said of a of a very serious case well thank you to you
Captain for conducting the interview aund thank yous to Julie for doing the interview and we want to wish the Murray
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Brief Summary

Julie Murray discusses her sister Maura's mysterious disappearance and the ongoing search for answers.

Key points

Thanksgiving Preparations. Whole Foods Market offers an irresistible Thanksgiving meal with gourmet options.
The Search for Mara. A heartfelt discussion about the emotional experience of searching for a missing sister.
Mara's Last Moments. Speculation about the decisions Mara made before her disappearance.
The Emotional Toll of Loss. Julie shares the emotional challenges she faces while advocating for her sister's case.
The Ongoing Search for Mara. The family continues to seek answers in the case of Mara's disappearance, with ongoing efforts and community support.
New Developments in the Case. Julie hints at new developments in the investigation that she cannot yet disclose.

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Why do you think she didn't just get in the bus?

Questioning the decisions made during a critical moment.

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Tension

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