LeeAnna Warner /// Part 2 /// 517 | Forensic Files

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talk some true crime foreign [Music] when we were wrapping up yesterday's episode Captain we started talking about
possible Persons of Interest or at least people that the police told the public they were looking for people that they
wanted to interview and this came in the form of some names as well as descriptions of unknown individuals
we need to start diving into some of these people that they were talking about at the top of today's show one of the
individuals that they were looking for was a 23 year old convicted sex offender who later would be known as a person of
interest in this case and his name is Lee Allen Wu 23 years old convicted sex offender now they
have not specifically announced or addressed any direct connection between this Lee Allen Wu and lyanna Warner
however they said that he became a person of interest one because of his criminal background and two because he
stole a vehicle on the same day that lyanna disappeared and operated that vehicle with a expired license or
invalid license at the time of course when you have somebody with a criminal background and it is a sex
offense you have a little girl who goes missing a guy that's known to be in the area and he steals a vehicle on that day
and chooses to break other laws you want to know as an investigator why why on this day did you feel the need to steal
a vehicle and operate illegally operate a vehicle authorities also ask for help in locating John Bartell who they said
was not a suspect all we know about him is that police said that he was known to
travel between Chisholm and the Twin Cities they were also looking for a Bruce William Christensen of Hibbing
Minnesota he was not a suspect but could have Vital Information in the case Bruce
Christensen had 17 criminal cases filed against him between the years of 1997 and 2006 so a busy guy he eventually
went to prison for robbery where he beat a fellow inmate to death with a piece of
railing that he broke off in order to use as a weapon he was sentenced to an additional 30 years for that murder an
article about his sentencing says that in September of 2003 he pled guilty to making terrorist threats against Kailyn
Warner very interesting sounds like a piece of 2003 September he pled guilty to making terrorist threats against the
mother of lyanna Warner Christensen apparently blamed Kailyn for the police interest in him in lyanna's case and
threatened to shoot her we don't know if there was any direct connection between
Kailyn Warner and this guy but he attempted to attack a prosecutor in court and was subject to several mental
health evaluations around the same time yeah a real piece of [ __ ] so it sounds
to me Captain like when police ask you that horrible question that that nobody wants to be asked do you know anybody
that would want to harm your family or hurt your child or would have any reason to do something against your family
I don't know this to be the case but I'm wondering if this man for whatever reason was somebody that was named by
the family because it seems like he wanted revenge or to retaliate against the Warner
Family specifically Kalin uh for the police interest in him yeah but it shows you the reason why they're looking at
you because you go on to threaten the mother it's like look if you had nothing to do with it it's like look I'm I'm
willing to cooperate I'm willing to answer your questions I had nothing to do with this yeah he's
definitely a violent man at the end of the day no doubt about that Sean burtek who we referenced in yesterday's episode
was arrested on July 10th bertek was arrested on outstanding warrants rather than anything to do with Leanna Warner's
case but he was one of the individuals that they named at that press conference as having an interest in speaking with
but while police did confirm that bertek was a convicted sex offender they said that after interviewing him he was being
considered more of a witness than a suspect we see that in a lot of cases when somebody goes missing or or there's
possibly a crime within the area they do the old pedo Roundup they realize some of these
guys are not registered correctly some of these guys have warrants and they make a rest and so there's a
lot of arrests that are that have nothing to do with The Disappearance but that's just a byproduct of of this girl
going missing right on these are issuing and um carrying out outstanding warrants
on this guy and then after you speak with him you you can tell that he was in the area and you
could probably back up what he was doing in his whereabouts during that time so he like anybody else in that
neighborhood or that that general area would be now witness status of course in any missing child case investigators
would not be doing their job if they did not take a hard look at those with the easiest access to the missing child and
of course we're talking about the family authorities said fairly quickly that they were comfortable with what the
family was telling them that lyanna disappeared while away from home and they had nothing to do with it in fact
they don't seem to have suspected the parents at all or if they did it was very brief and behind the scenes reports
indicate that the Warners were not asked to take polygraphs as you pointed out Captain but the fact is Kailyn Warner
was one of the last people to see Leanna lyanna could have returned home after finding the the quirks were out putting
her home by 5 20 or so if that were the case then what happened her mother didn't call police until 8 48 pm and we
know that based off of the phone records and everybody else involved in this case
so what do we know about the Warners the media covering the case revealed that Kailyn and Chris had been married before
and there was some indication of turmoil in at least one of their relationships the year before lyanna was born in 1998
Chris Warner and his ex-wife got into a violent confrontation involving blows both sought Mutual restraining orders
and Chris's ex maintaining that he had an uncontrollable temper Chris's petition for a restraining order stated
that his ex-wife had threatened Kailyn and her two daughters from a her previous marriage
authorities looked at the situation but said that the incident with the ex-wife quote didn't raise any red flags now we
don't know how thoroughly they looked into the ex-wife but we I would say that raises some Flags yeah and you should
look into it but again if she has a solid another by then maybe that's why they moved on well and it sounds like a
lot of this a lot of these issues between him and his ex by then they may have buried the hatchet right because
the the the confrontation the violent confrontation between the two occurred in 1998. Leanna Warner didn't go missing
until 2003. Chris Warner was a heavy equipment mechanic at a nearby employer as well as
a volunteer for the ambulance service he shared a son Anthony Warner with his ex-wife Kalyn was a manager at easy stop
a convenience store in Chisholm there is another weird story involving lyanna and
the Warners that came out and again investigators dismissed it as amounting to nothing but it is a little
strange according to the Warners and this is the Warner's telling us this story someone reported to Social
Services that Leanna had been tied up the Warners told the social worker investigating the complaint that Leanna
was playing with neighborhood kids and they have been playing maypole and had used lyanna as the maypole while they
wrapped a jump rope around her it's hard to know whether Social Services dismissed this as a simple child's game
or Child's Play or whether there was a file opened on the Warners this is one of those situations where it's like you
can understand if there was a misunderstanding but you also go okay well it's hard to believe that somebody
would bother to report this incident if they didn't feel that there was really something here it also seems captain
that we're sitting here 18 years later and if this was a red flag if this was something that we should really question
call into question the people investigating The Disappearance and and the possible suspects are not dummies
this is not something that slips past the goalie here this is something that would be at the top of the stack as far
as information goes on the parents and something they would have looked at and something they would have questioned
both Chris and Kailyn about all right so we have this issue of questions some of
the behavior question letting the child go off on her own I think that's all fair game so you have to wonder could
the parents have some responsibility here do they know what happened to their daughter is one guilty and not the other
all kinds of questions immediately pop up when you see these types of cases I feel pretty confident but it's just a
guess and it's just a gut feeling that that I don't see the parents having any involvement
in The Disappearance of this little girl the only involvement I see is people that were desperate to find
her and went to every effort that they possibly could if somebody told them that they hear something that could help
your case or help you find your daughter they did it they didn't hold back well and also with Christopher being a
volunteer EMT worker a volunteer EMT worker that if there was some accident they wouldn't try to cover it up they
would call call Squad and and try to get our help immediately here's a couple things that I want to
point out to people too and it doesn't seem like the general public consider the parents to be suspects either and I
think that anybody that really takes a good hard look at this case what you're going to see is a couple things it looks
to me that Chris was gone during the time in question and an ambulance run at 6 20
p.m that's a pretty Ironclad Alibi as far as I'm concerned there's going to be other individuals there there's going to
be documentation of this so on and so forth that's pretty straightforward to me now we can call into question
kaelin's decision making as a parent we can call in a question the wiggle room in the timeline that the sheriff
referenced the other thing too you know we're quick to point out hey eyewitnesses are not always great about
giving you an exact time on something because they're not sitting there noting everything that happened that day and
noting what time that they witness something right so with her having this moving time of win
Leanna left her site it could be just that exact same situation she said that we just got back
from the lake I was busy unloading the car bringing in stuff that we purchased at these garage sales and the kids
badgering me about wanting to go to her friend's house I really didn't want her to go there
and I told her she could go well what time was that well I don't know it was after we got home from the lake right
well that's when that's when sometimes you can arrive at the wrong time by the encouragement of law enforcement because
incur they're encouraging you because they're telling you look I understand you weren't looking at the clock I need
you to Ballpark this thing for me or at least give me a guess I need something a
starting point and she may have given a bad time we were talking about a mother who's
busy the reason why I think that law enforcement did not consider them suspects and didn't consider them
suspects early on is the window of time to do something to this little girl dispose and conceal
that crime takes time and effort and I think that when they really broke down the timeline and the people that
were seeing the parents interacting with the parents and the what the eyewitness
statements were that saw the little girl at 5 15 did not give a window of time that anybody could have done anything
and covered it up and we don't know what kind of searches that law enforcement did on their vehicles
and so if if you have cadaver dogs sniff the vehicles if you run some tests on the vehicles you're going to go well we
we don't believe she was transported well in nine times out of ten hopefully it should be 10 out of 10. this is
pretty standard police protocol but if you are responding to a call about a missing child the first thing you ask
the parents of course you want to know what were they wearing when we did last see them but one of the first actions
that you actually take Beyond asking questions of the parents or any person that may have seen the child is
ma'am we understand that your daughter's missing we're going to search the neighborhood we're going to ask you know
we're going to search the area we need to search your home first and that happens in in every case that
I've ever reviewed that is the first action that seems to be taken when police are responding to that type of
call and I have no reason to believe that that did not happen here and that also could be backing the thoughts of
law enforcement that these people didn't have anything to do with it I also want
to point out one big problem with the parents being guilty of anything or or uh Kalyn being
guilty of having done anything they weren't the Kalyn wasn't the only person home that day remember her the daughter
the other daughter was with them for the entirety of that day she was 10 years old at that time now she's not an adult
obviously but she's also not a little kid if something bad happened she could tell us about that and the 10 year old
daughter was active in the neighborhood search for Leanna almost immediately yeah it'd be hard to one convince her
that you have you have to lie for Mommy and two that should be able have the capability to put on a great acting show
for the public right and the other thing too is both Kailyn the daughter that was
10 years old at the time and Chris Warner have remained active in front of the media on this case for 18 years
so this ten-year-old daughter is now an adult and she continues to do interviews
about this case so it again there doesn't seem to be time for anything to happen involving Kalin
well two kind of creepy things and like you said when they when they when law enforcement shows up at the
scene they go hey let's search the house but they also start asking the parents like did anything weird happen in the
last month or so has there been a vehicle that's been seen in the neighborhood has have you seen some
uh creepy character walking around one of the things that they said was well she one night when we went into Leanne's
room she was sleeping in her closet because she was afraid that the monsters outside her window were gonna get hurt
yeah that's a very curious situation to this whole story and unfortunately this happens
daily where a child is afraid of something and we don't know exactly what it is as a parent and most of the time
it's almost always it's nothing here it's something we really call into question
because of the state of this case where we have a little girl who disappears and
we can't find any trace of her but like you said a child being afraid of the monsters under her bed or monsters under
her closet you hear that more than you hear monsters outside my window right and in this situation you do have
the parents who would be later telling us that they thought that lyanna was behaving oddly
in the days or maybe even weeks leading up to her disappearance which is very interesting to me and we'll dive
into that some more but while we're still talking about the parents you know I don't want to get accused of leaving
anything out here because we do have a situation where a few months this was uh October after their daughter went
missing we do have a violent altercation between the two parents Kalyn and Chris where apparently
Kalyn attempted to run Chris over with their vehicle Almighty they had apparently they had some kind of
disagreement earlier that day or earlier that night to which police responded to
their home and settled the matter whatever it was at the time and then within an hour or so this argument is
now taking place in their vehicle as they're driving to which a very frustrated Chris Warner gets out of the
vehicle and says that he would be walking the rest of the way home I'm sure he probably said it in in a
different manner but uh Kalyn hit the gas pedal and and took off after him in the vehicle and he jumped out of
the way he received some scrapes maybe a couple bruises but uh what happened was
Kailyn ended up being charged with a a misdemeanor in that case but the police have been extremely vocal about that
situation saying look we spoke with the couple before this happened and we spoke
with them obviously afterwards and we have Kalyn who she says that the gears got jammed up and and she kind of lost
control of the vehicle so she denies the saying that you know she denies that she
attempted to hit her husband with the vehicle regardless of what actually happened we
had the police saying this matter and lyanna's disappearance are not connected they are two completely separate matters
the couple was fighting they were arguing but they were not arguing about lyanna or anything about the case
and look I'm not going to lie to you Captain this seemed very troubling to me because what it shows is
angry impulsive behavior especially on kalin's behalf which we know that she her own word well she's the one that if
if if she's lying if the gears didn't get stuck if she didn't lose control of the car and she did try to hit her
husband with the car that's the violence getting out of a vehicle and saying I'm
gonna walk home is not a violent act at all but what we have here is we have a person who is
admittedly the last person the last family member to see lyanna so that really made me call a lot of things into
question but then I found this little tidbit here that made me feel completely different
and go back to what my gut was telling me in the beginning that Kailyn and the family has nothing to do with this this
comes from Patty wetterling whose son Jacob disappeared in 1989 and when at the time when she is quoted in
this article this is 2003 so keep in mind Jacob disappeared in 1989 and by this point in the article he had never
been found they didn't know what happened to him they knew he was abducted she says in this article
that she's would like to discourage anyone from making a judgment about the Warners because of this particular
incident she says quote nobody knows what it's like to have your child missing for this
long people always ask me did it bring us closer together and I say no it's just the opposite
Jerry who is her husband Jerry and I went through some very hard times with so much anger frustration and anxiety
it's absolutely the biggest test you ever go through as a couple it's a nightmare now we know that the
wetterlings have nothing to do with what happened to their son Jacob they were victimized just
like everybody else in that situation and I think that what what we have Patty wetterling telling us here
is very interesting to me because this is the way that I've always kind of seen these types of situations right
if in the wetterling case it was the father that decided yeah you guys can ride your bikes down to the
video store and pick up a video this was after Mom said no you can't you cannot tell me that there are not
arguments between Mom and Dad over who's responsible who wasn't a good parent who didn't do their job if he was
in my care this would have never have happened because you get sad your your heart
breaks and then you get angry those are natural feelings and I have to believe in lyanna's case
something very similar very likely happened where you get in a disagreement about this that or the other thing but
your heart is broken and you're hurting and you want somebody to lash out to and
it might be easy to go you know what Mom you told her she could walk down there why the hell would you let a
five-year-old walk down there by herself if she were with me that day this would
never have happened and you can't tell me that that woman's not going to defend her self as a mother
so I can see this playing out exactly how it did and have nothing to do with the case and not suggest that they are
guilty of anything other than being grieving parents that are hurting and heartbroken all right just to put a bow
on this here Captain regarding this situation we need to point out that Chris Warner stood by his wife telling
the media that Kalyn was on edge and had reached a breaking point he blamed this
on a Montel Williams show that the two recently taped but it had not aired yet at this point now on the show the
psychic Sylvia Brown told the Warners that Leanna was murdered and buried in a shallow grave not far from their home
Chris Warner says they didn't know that that's what was going to happen during the taping of the show they didn't know
that somebody was going to tell them that they thought she was murdered and buried near their home remember at this
point we're just months into the case and they're still holding out hope that their daughter is a live
and I think they felt like they were blindsided by this and they said that they left the taping feeling used and
upset by The Montel Williams show and that this was something that that created an issue between the two of the
parents and it was it was just not good I mean this was they kind of felt like we're down and you're gonna kick us
while we're down so I think one can see quickly how these types of things can happen
foreign [Music] to the windows to the wall cheers everybody cheers everybody on September 15 2003 this is three months
after lyanna disappeared news reports began to surface about an interesting development a man named Matthew James
Curtis age 24 had been questioned multiple times in connection with lyanna's case police talked to him the
day after lyanna vanished and again four days later questions included police asking about
his whereabouts and when lyanna was last seen Curtis lived at a house near the Warners
in the neighborhood in fact just a couple of houses down at the time that Leanna went missing according to the
news article in the Virginia MN paper police spoke with Curtis in the course of the investigation into lyanna
presumably because he was such a close neighbor whatever they learned during these interviews was enough for them to
get a warrant to search his home and when they went out to carry out this search warrant there they found Kitty
porn on his computer so Curtis was arrested charged and released on bail on September 17th Curtis was found dead of
an apparent suicide three men were practicing archery in a gravel pit area on National Forest land
and found Curtis's body this is about eight miles from his home right he was found with a plastic bag tied over his
head and the cause of death after an autopsy was declared to be self-inflicted asphyxiation the sheriffs
Department said it was investigating to see whether there was any connection between the two cases and said that
Curtis had never been declared an official suspect but had never been cleared either
on the day Curtis's body was found he was out on bail and was scheduled to appear in court for that child poured
charge but he failed to appear he killed himself before the court appointment the
sheriff's department searched the Gravel Pit in Curtis's home twice but found no
signs of lyanna what we don't know is what turned police on to Curtis in the first place what was
the basis for that search warrant well at the time that lyanna went missing there was a man that some people say
maybe was in his 30s was walking around the neighborhood uh described as approximately 5-10
to six foot and had some kind of dark tattoo so I always wondered there was like I said people in the area
saying that there was this suspicious guy walking the neighborhood did they connect that back to Curtis I
guess that could be a possibility but that statement from police when they're looking for the person of that
description comes it's made public after the suicide now after they requested the
search warrant for his home so what's difficult here is we know based off of what the police are telling
us that they spoke with this Curtis character the day after lyanna went missing and then again four days later
okay so some so we can just assume that something within that questioning made him go something's not right here that's
what I'm thinking Captain I agree with that one something during the course of them stepping foot into his home or
standing on his front doorstep and asking him questions told them this guy his home is of interest to us
specifically in this lyanna case and that could be something as simple as this guy seemed extremely nervous
when we were asking him that day after that she was missing right or he couldn't tell us where he was or had no
alibi or he was sweating profusely or he told us something on day one and then told us something different on day four
it could really be any number of things but the thing that's crazy here is that when they do get that search warrant
they search his home they filed child pornography on his computer well that doesn't look very good
especially when this dude lives just a few doors down from the Warners yeah I never like it when there's a suicide no
in the sense of we don't have answers then and my gut always goes towards this suspect you commit suicide you're
you're so distraught about what you did you can't even live with yourself and suicide is not a obvious sign of
guilt doesn't necessarily mean that he felt guilty or or did something to Leanna I mean really he could have
killed himself for any number of reasons and he's not around to tell us why he did so we do have the Warners lyanna's
parents who say Hey you know we saw this guy around the neighborhood but never saw lyanna interacting with him and we
didn't personally know him I do know that police continue to look into Curtis post-mortem
they did admit shamefully admitted that it would have been desirable for them to
have talked to him some more which possibly they they were going to do that after he was charged or convicted we
don't know but of course now they will never get the chance to do so we do know that the Minnesota BCA confiscated
Matthew James Curtis's truck after he killed himself and processed it for forensic evidence of lyanna's presence
to see if you know they could find any proof that she had ever been inside his vehicle right this did include DNA and
fingerprints and fibers and hairs they couldn't find any trace of lyanna having ever been in that truck but we do need
to point out this was after Matthew James Curtis's death which took place in September Leanne Warner went missing
the 14th of June so there would have been plenty of time for one to clean this vehicle if one needed to do so well
like I was saying to me when there's a suicide in the case you're gonna take like the Amy mihalovic case when there's
a suspect that takes their own life my gut points to that that suspect but here is a different case because he's found
because when they're investigating this missing girl case they find this individual we don't know what led them
I'm guessing like we were talking about before when they're interviewing him he says
something not correctly or maybe just acts strangely and then when they when they do get the search warrant they find
child pornography and that could be enough for this individual to say hey look my life's not going right I maybe
have this I'm a sick individual for looking at this stuff I have these urges that I'm trying to control and and
that's why he took his life so there are types out there that have these fantasies urges whatever you want to
call them desires and they never act on them I mean we just don't know again it's a
situation I'm with you Captain it's you hate this suicides one uh for any you know you hate the suicide for
a million different reasons but one of the big reasons especially in this case is that it creates another mystery in
this case it creates one less person to talk to and in my opinion this guy in in
the humble go garage opinion here Captain this Matthew James Curtis guy I would put him in the top three of
suspects in this case now that's going to lead us to another top three suspect and this is an individual that I despise
one of the most hated men on the planet as far as my mind goes that's not a nice
way to talk about me this is a guy that we've spoke about several times here in the garage and I never enjoy talking
about him I'm talking about Joseph Edward Duncan III so we're going to jump ahead two years in this case to July of
2005. now of course lyanna's case is continuing to be worked at this time but meanwhile in Coeur d'Alene Idaho
investigators captured suspected murderer and sex offender Joseph E Duncan he was charged with the Abduction
of eight-year-old Shasta groney and suspected of murdering shasta's 13 year old brother Mother boyfriend and missing
nine-year-old brother Dylan now you may remember for the long time listeners joining us here in the garage today you
may recall that we covered this case in our fifth nail episodes the fifth nail was a blah log basically an online rant
written by Joseph Duncan in which he published his rambling fantasies and dark thoughts he also talked about his
love for computers you may also recall that Duncan served time in prison for the rape of a 14 year old Tacoma
Washington boy when Duncan was just 16 years old himself he was released in 2000 so how does Duncan's case possibly
tie into lyanna's case Chief Erickson said that Federal investigators were tracing Joseph
Duncan's movements over the past few years because of a posting on his fifth nail blog that appeared on January 4th
2004. in fact this post was the first of the fifth nail blog Duncan wrote that learning about lyanna's case was quote
the proverbial last straw that led him to start his blog to rant about the stigma of being a convicted sex offender
yeah because that's what we want to hear about he does not mention lyanna by name
and it seems that he felt the need to construct an alibi for the time that lyanna went missing the exact words of
the posts were quote just found out that a five-year-old girl went missing from Chisholm Minnesota on June 14 2003. I
did not even know until today this happened so I have tried to figure out what I was doing that day a since I'm
always afraid of getting accused when something like this happens end quote the post said that Duncan wanted to be
sure that he figured out his whereabouts in June of 2003 when lyanna vanished so
that he wouldn't be accused of being the one that abducted her he says he was doing this for his own safety and wrote
I figure it is just a matter of time before I am falsely accused of some crime or another well yes you will be
accused I don't know if it will be falsely in several different cases we know Captain just for the people that
didn't listen to the fifth nail he was convicted of all those crimes he was accused of or thought to have done this
guy has a dirt bag he's an animal he basically murdered a whole family so he could abduct the two youngest children
and he had those kids with him for a long period of time where he tormented and tortured the kids you know
thankfully one of them was found alive and is still alive and doing well to this day all these years later another
thing to be thankful about is they were able to tie Joseph Duncan to some other homicides and I suspect he's probably
done others that we are unaware of Duncan was not the type to admit to any of his crimes he was the type that won
he would like to play games mind games and torment and tease the police and the public in the media and I think that was
a big part of the reason why he created his blog so he could do that from behind
Prison Walls the other thing too is that when you did finally convict him of something he would go out of his way to
explain to the public that the victims were not so innocent themselves that they had some blame in this and he
blamed some of the victims that he killed for their own deaths which is just completely bizarre in demonic
behavior in my opinion thankfully we can sit here in the the garage today and raise a glass real high because Joseph
Duncan passed away last year and I hope he enjoyed every minute of it now Chief Erickson stated in this case that there
was nothing specific tying Duncan to lyanna but did say it's very suspicious that he brought the case up on his blog
in fact if we are to believe Joseph Duncan he says that the case is what started the whole blog to begin with
blog more like clog I again Duncan's a hard guy to get to put your finger on I don't know if he would do this as
something just simply to taunt I'm never putting my finger on him police or lyanna's family
I also don't think that he's above enjoying being suspected of crimes he didn't commit yeah it's attention
seeking exactly yeah you're exactly well looks like you just put your finger on him I told you I'm not going to touch
that son of a [ __ ] Duncan says that he according to his records that he was able to figure out what he claims to
have been doing that day was watching some co-workers parachute and that he did some shopping but could not find any
receipts which makes sense he's locked up anyway Duncan did live in Fargo North Dakota and was when he was arrested on
the grony case but he was wanted on child molestation charges stemming from an incident in Detroit Lakes Minnesota
in 2004. now Fargo North Dakota is much closer to Detroit Lakes Minnesota than it is to Chisholm Minnesota and in fact
much closer to Detroit Lakes than Detroit Lakes is to Chisholm Minnesota if that makes sense uh Duncan was
arrested for molesting a six-year-old boy on a playground in Detroit Lakes which is about a three-hour drive from
Chisholm Minnesota now I do want to point out the other crimes that he did he would have had to drive a long
distance to do so so I can't I cannot completely just go all right he he says he was doing this
on that day and the distance between him and where this disappearance took place
I don't think any of that rules him out in fact there was uh one person who's done some good gangbusters work here and
online an online sleuthor that posted that a treasure hunt winner found a treasure hunt winner log of a
camping and scuba trip putting Joseph Duncan in Crosby Minnesota in August of 2003. so this is interesting it's it's
not you know it would be weeks away from The Disappearance but it puts him much closer in proximity to Chisholm
Minnesota and it lists jet Duncan on this treasure hunt winner log Joseph Duncan called himself jet Duncan he won
a snorkel mask in defogger in that contest by July 21st of 2005 investigators stated publicly that they had cleared
Duncan of any possible involvement in lyanna's disappearance I have no idea how or why they reached this conclusion
the best that I can think of Captain they we know that investigators seized video footage
that Duncan took the day of his co-worker skydiving so there that's not in question he he was there and
witnessed these people skydiving at some point the timestamp shows that they were
diving in the afternoon the airport where the dive took place is about a four-hour drive from Chisholm
I would like to see that exact time stamp I would like to interview those people his co-workers can we determine
100 percent that he was where he was when that time stamp says could he have altered that time stamp in any manner
right those are just the the questions that I have again he's such a horrible and despicable person I think if he's
talking about a case and he's putting himself on your radar you cannot remove him from your radar
until you need definitive proof yeah because like we said this guy's a animal he's very capable of abducting a child
that would that's actually low on his list of what he's capable of you almost need the word of God to tell you that he
did not do this for for me to remove him he's I I'd like to move on from him now
because I'm just sick of thinking about him if that's okay with you Captain well
here they go because this is going to bring us to another story and probably the strangest
portion of this case in my mind this this actually gives me nightmares in 2006 some more information came to light
and this was not news to the family this news is going to come from the family because they say this is actually
something that they discussed with investigators but the investigators didn't seem to
agree with them that this was an interesting Avenue to investigate the family decided at some point well you
know what we're just going to tell the public about this we've told investigators about this
nope you know I don't know if they have done stuff the investigators I don't know if they did anything with this
information or not they've never referenced it but the parents say that the investigators did not seem
interested in this information so now we're going to put it out to the public and tell the world Chris and Kailyn
Warner went on the Maury Povich Show this is October of 2006. and they decided that this information
was worth disclosing after three years of it being largely ignored or given no Credence by police Leanna they said one
day came home with a case filled with Barbie dolls and clothing for the Barbie dolls
but would only tell her parents that she that she had got them from a little old
lady furthermore a week before she vanished their little daughter had packed up a
suitcase and said she was going to go live with her new family at her new family's house this was around the same
time that she started sleeping in the closet telling her father that there were monsters outside of her window yeah
to come home and see your daughter playing with maybe a a doll right and saying somebody gave it to her
okay maybe a garage sale in the neighborhood Maybe she's playing with the doll at her
friend's house parents said hey just take this but when there's a doll and there's
a case filled with dolls and clothes multiple items and all she can say is it came from a little old lady that's
that's pretty creepy well yeah and let's go back to you know we referenced an online sleuth or
putting up some information about uh Duncan and his possible whereabouts you know in August of 2003
there was a person a woman who posted on tapeatox website under the Leanna Warner
discussion group that says that she was about 12 years old at the time when Leanna went missing and was a sitter a
regular sitter for Leanna she tells a story that once at the park with Leanna that Leanna had told her she
was going on a trip without her parents now again this is something that somebody's posting online I can't verify
that this person was an actual babysitter for Leanna I can't verify that this story took place it does seem
to line up with some information that lyanna's parents are saying that they said in 2006 so I found that to be
incredibly interesting the thing that this really reminds me of here Captain is is a case that we've discussed here
in the garage the Asia degree case out of North Carolina this is where Asia seems to have taken off on foot in
the middle of the night we don't know where she was going or why but she disappears we've never found any
trace of her the only thing that they found after she went missing was a strange photo of another little girl
and this photo's never been identified there's never been anybody that came forward that said oh I was that person
in the photo or I was the person that gave Aisha that photo right so to me that photo will always be tied to her
disappearance and the reason possible reason for her leaving her home that night and then in this case very same
situation right it's it seems very similar to me Captain where we have the parents telling the public you know
somebody gave our daughter all these Barbie dolls and all the clothing to go with these Barbie dolls we asked her
where she got him some little old lady gave them to her we've never that was in 2006 let me
check my calendar it's 2021. we've never had anybody come forward and say I was that person that gave her those dolls I
I you know they were used to be my daughters my kid had grown up I had him laying around I was going to throw them
out or I was going to put them up in a garage sale I saw the little kid gave them to her there's never been
anybody come forward and say or people come forward and say oh I know who gave them to her you know there's no
answer to this question well that's why it reminds me of the JonBenet Ramsey case because today JonBenet Ramsey goes
missing she is telling people that Santa Claus is coming to visit her after Christmas it's just one of those
weird stories where you're never going to get that out of your head why is this little girl playing with like you said
it's a collection of dolls and a collection of clothes for those dolls who was this little old lady did the
little old lady even exist because these individuals that abduct children and thank God it's such a rare crime but
even these individuals that groom children or molest them or try to groom them into some kind of Bizarro
relationship they're very manipulative they're very in tune to how to trick these kids it's
much easier for them if they can get and convince the kid to go along with whatever it is that the adult wants to
do willingly rather than Kicking and Screaming it doesn't have to be a little old lady I'm
I'm with you I want to know who the little old lady is but then I also wonder could it have been a 20-something
your old man or a 30-something year old man that says oh if anybody asks where you got these right you know I don't
want to have to come and take them from you if Mom and Dad or Mom finds out that
you got them from me you're gonna get in trouble right just tell them that you got them from a little old lady here's
the other thing that's interesting too to me we know that both of lyanna's parents came from they were they were
married before they were married to each other if I'm an outsider and I'm viewing
this situation or I have any idea of that oh you got you got brothers and sisters that have other families
well guess what little Leanna you have another family too just like your brothers and sisters you've just
not met them yet and here's a gift from one of your family members yeah but there's also sickos that want to
want to still children and raise them as their own yes they see this precious beautiful little girl on
the go I want her I want her to be mine and that's a equally possible I think Captain you and
I we stand in agreement here that these three scenarios are of the most interest
to us yeah I agree these individuals Joseph Edward Duncan who for no Rhyme or Reason decides to
discuss the case on his blog we certainly know the horror horrific acts that he is capable of right we have the
guy that lives just a couple doors down that's caught with child pornography in his home and he
during the course of questioning he goes from being a possible witness to somebody that police have such an
interest in that they get a search warrant to search his home and that's when they find the child pornography in
his house yeah and that is Matthew James Curtis and then this weird story about lyanna having another family or going to
live with her other family and receiving this gift from a quote-unquote little old lady is really bizarre stuff I think
those three things to me in this case where you have a lot of questionable behavior and a lot of Persons of
Interest and we've discussed a lot of those those three for me sit at the top of my list as far as The Disappearance
to Leanna Warner well and don't forget about the monsters outside her window that are going come take her away
lyanna's parents Chris and Kailyn have moved away from the home in Chisholm that Leanna lived in with them they say
that this decision was very hard for them and that they were worried that she might not be able to find them should
she return but it seems after 18 years of holding on to Hope on the basis of nothing reality has prevailed they still
leave the porch light on though cases like the solving of Jacob wetterling's abduction and the three Ohio women found
in Ariel Castro's basement continue to give them hope and the fact that no trace of lyanna was found in the
thorough and painstaking searches of a wide radius makes part of them believe that she was taken out of the area and
possibly could still be alive most likely Chris Warner believes that she may be a victim of a black market
abduction 2021 marks 18 years since lyanna vanished the now Chisholm police chief
believes that lyanna was abducted and investigators in law enforcement have said
the same thing within a week or so of the case they believe this is one of those rare cases
of stranger abduction they still consider this to be very much an open case but everyone is incredibly
frustrated because there seems to be nothing to go on in 2013 the national Center for missing and exploited
Children released an age progression picture of what Leanna might look like at the age of 15 and continues to issue
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LeeAnna Warner was just 5 years old when she went missing from her neighborhood in Chisholm, Minnesota back in 2003. LeeAnna was last seen walking home from a friend’s house, which was a block and a half from the Warner residence. LeeAnna went to play with a friend at 4:30pm but no one was home. LeeAnna was last seen walking on Southwest Second or Third Street, westbound between 5 and 5:15pm on June 14th, 2003. The Chisholm Police department believe that LeeAnna was the victim of a rare “Stranger Child Abduction.” At the time of her disappearance LeeAnna was 3 feet 2 inches tall, 48 lbs., and she was wearing a sleeveless dark demin dress with an attached belt, orange Hanes underwear and a flower shaped earring with a red garnet. If you have any information please call 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678) or submit information online (CyberTip report) at www.Missingkids.org

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the disappearance of Lyanna Warner and examines key suspects and the parents' involvement.

Key points

The Mysterious Disappearance. A young girl goes missing, raising questions about the family and suspects.
A Troubling Altercation. A violent incident between the parents raises red flags in the investigation.
Patty Wetterling's Heartbreaking Insight. Patty Wetterling shares the emotional toll of having a missing child, stating it doesn't bring families closer.
The Tragic Suicide of Matthew Curtis. Matthew Curtis, a person of interest in Lyanna's case, is found dead of an apparent suicide.
Joseph Duncan's Disturbing Blog Post. Joseph Duncan's blog post reveals his awareness of Lyanna's case and his attempts to create an alibi.
The Mysterious Dolls. Leanna received dolls from a 'little old lady,' but no one has come forward to claim them.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Do you know anybody that would want to harm your family?

A chilling question posed to the family.

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Tension

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