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[Music] 91 emergency yes I'm in the middle of the field St we're just ping guys over right
here going toward ging on both sides my truck R out of gas there's one car here got sh to the Wood please hurry okay now
run that me talking to him I ran into him ah you ran into him okay got the guy do you need an
ambulance no I need the cops okay is anybody hurt hello hello hello hello hello hello
[Music] back when we first covered this case the timeline of events was very short and
incomplete short because there were not many events on that time line to discuss
there were just not enough good information out there from all the key players involved in this missing
person's case but starting late last year and continuing through the first five months of this year information is
coming out and quite a bit of it in fact in brief what we did discuss is 26-year-old Brandon Lawson getting into
an argument with his girlfriend that he lived with driving to his father's house
running out of gas calling 911 and disappearing we like so many spent a good amount of time trying to decipher
what Brandon is saying in that 911 call that 911 call is the Catalyst for why so
many people have become intrigued with Brandon's case his girlfriend Lessa and his brother Kyle have done their best to
try to keep his story in the media because of Lessa and Kyle we now have a much greater understanding in of the
events that took place the day before the day of and even some minute-by-minute details up to when he
disappeared so tonight we are going to focus on the timeline that is now being presented this is the new information
that has come out all right let's dive into the timeline just two quick things before we move on any further okay so
first for anyone that has the Stitcher app anybody that's been listening to the show for a while now they know that if
you get the free Stitcher app you can listen to all of our old episodes the Brandon Lawson our original coverage was
episodes 85 and 86 so on the drop- down tab that's it's 2017 early 2017 and also thank you to everyone that
joined us last week at crime con we had a fantastic time meeting everybody all right sorry captain now on to the
timeline so let's start with Wednesday August 7th 2013 according to Kyle Brandon's little
brother Brandon was looking for some meth okay so Brandon recently took and passed a drug test for work right this
was a job that he was going to be starting soon a job that he was trying to get well he passed that drug test he
got the job he was going to start the job so with all of that out of the way Brandon wants to get high right now Kyle
knows this for a certainty because he says Brandon called him asking if he knew where he could score some dope so
Brandon gets what he's looking for Kyle connects him with somebody and he ends up getting the meth that he was looking
for right so this is no longer speculation correct because at the time the speculation was you know he had had
a history of of using meth of purchasing meth one he sounds like he's on something yeah and so the speculation
was could he have been on meth and had a relap and this is the result this this weird
911 call and his disappearance well it could be the result we don't know but what we do know for a fact now yes he
was that yeah we know it's a part of the equation now yes so now on to the next day this is Thursday August 8th Brandon
went to his home which is in San Angelo this is after not coming home the night before his girlfriend Lessa Lofton she
she's been Brandon's girlfriend for 10 years she is the mother of their three children and stepmother to Brandon's
eldest daughter Lessa and Brandon are arguing Lessa is pissed off that Brandon is doing drugs and that he didn't come
home the night before right this is when Brandon calls his father and this is around 11:30 p.m. so very late at night
now regarding Brandon and regarding meth the way that this has been described by his brother was that this
is the kind of dude that Brandon was he wasn't somebody that he would call would
say had a meth problem or even a meth addict but he was somebody that would he would do meth for a day or two and then
not do it for months and months and months and then he would do it again and then not do it for months and months and
months so and again this is just going off of what his brother Kyle has said MH on the
night of Brandon Lawson's disappearance we know that he called his father this is around 11:30 p.m. now it is his
parents' house is a bit of the new information there not just his father's house but according to a phone call he
had with his father around 11:30 that night Brandon was heading to his parents house in Crowley which is about 3 hours
away MH it was just past 12:30 a.m. when he called his brother Kyle Lawson who also lived in San Angelo and he's asking
for help because he's run out of gas now during this phone call he says to his brother that three people are chasing me
out of town Brandon said it was quote the Mexicans in the neighborhood and Kyle asked him if he
was tripping if you know if the drugs were causing him to hallucinate because he's he's talking to his brother these
brothers are extremely close okay they're they're not just Brothers they're very good friends they hang out
together all the time they call each other when they need something and so he's saying look brother didn't sound
right on the phone even going on saying something about Lessa hired or had some Mexicans from the neighborhood chase me
out of town or they're following me something to that effect right that's that's odd now keep in mind we're going
off of Kyle's words 5 years later almost 6 years later mhm and he's going off of memory because
at the time he's on the phone with his brother he's not writing this down and we don't know what was said
verbatim but he's going off of memory for a conversation that he thought one didn't make any sense and two there
would be no reason to remember this conversation one part of that that call too was Brandon telling Kyle that he was
concerned that Lessa was going to destroy some of his property you know could he even asking could you go by the
house right and make sure that she's not tearing up my stuff you know Kyle's kind of he says
he's kind of trying to talk Brandon down a bit during this conversation one asking him are you hallucinating are you
tripping uh Lessa wouldn't hire some people to run you out of town well he sounds like he was paranoid one from
doing the drugs but also because he was in an argument with her yeah and he Kyle
goes on to say that you know she wouldn't tear up your stuff this isn't really making any sense and in regards
to the statement of the Mexicans from the neighborhood Kyle says I don't I don't
know what he's talking about there's there's not like a group of people that they refer to these people with that
phrase right so this is completely out of left field to Kyle at some point Kyle goes over to Brandon Brandon's home you
know Lessa is already there and this is less than a mile away from Kyle's home home this is to get a gas can and then
he headed out of town with his wife and his 4-year-old son so now we have Kyle going to meet up with Brandon to bring
him a gas can with Kyle's wife and Kyle's son correct during the the next few minutes the next hour or so the
brothers keep making calls to one another but Kyle says that Brandon wouldn't have a full conversation with
him more or less saying a sentence or two before hanging up at one point Brandon said that he was running through
a field and was bleeding which Kyle took as him tripping over some rocks or some
other kind of minor accident of the sort mhm now at 12:50 a.m. this is when Brandon called
911 which at the time rang to the local nursing home in Robert Lee the call is hard to understand uh but when the
dispatcher asked if Brandon needed an ambulance he said no I need the cops let's take a listen to that 911 call one
more time 911 emergency yes I'm in the middle of the field s we're just ping guys over right
here going toward jaine on both sides my truck ran out of gas there's one car here got St the wood pretty okay now run
that by me talking to him I ran into him ah you ran into him okay got the first guy you need an
ambulance no I need to call okay is anybody hurt hello hello hello so there's new information
about the timeline after the 911 call yeah and that's what I think is very key here to keep in mind that all of the
stuff that we're going to go through here now occurs after the call that you just heard of Brandon calling 911 asking
for help so at 12:51 a.m. Kyle called Brandon and left a voicemail at 12:51 a.m. Brandon called
Lessa but she didn't answer so after their fight she's now she's without a wall charger for her phone she took her
phone out to her car to charge it up it's likely she didn't answer the call either because she's still mad at
Brandon or the phone was at this time charging in her car at 12:52 a.m. Kyle's wife calls Brandon and then called again
at 12:54 Kyle called Brandon at 1257 Brandon called his neighbor at 1258 Brandon called Kyle and then called
again at 12:58 the neighbor called Brandon three times at 12:59 Kyle called Brandon at 10:4 the dispatcher at the
nursing facility called Brandon's cell phone back this is because she's trying to get more information regarding this
call where she couldn't understand what he was saying before M and she wants to figure out his exact location and what
is wrong at the time so that she can send the proper help to the right location unfortunately Brandon did not
answer this call so she left the voicemail and she did try to call one more time after that now I want you to
keep in mind too with all of this phone activity going back and forth Kyle Brandon Lessa the neighbor 911 right all
of this some of these missed calls or some of the calls that go to voicemail on Brandon's end May mean that he's on
one of these other calls or trying to call somebody at this time right at 1:12 a.m. Kyle called Brandon three
times MH at 1:15 a.m. Brandon called Kyle twice the last calls he made from his phone at 1:19 all calls made to
Brandon's phone begin going to going straight to voicemail now I've actually seen this
two different ways so I think just want to throw this out there to be clear here
there's some good sources for this new information that's come out and a lot of it's coming from Lessa and from Kyle
but there was also a really good newspaper article that came out late last year and this is from the San
Angelo standard times and the uh the writer is Christa Johnson in in the article in the standard times is where
they state that all calls starting at 1119 a.m. start going straight to voicemail we do have Kyle who at a later
date said that these calls weren't going straight to voicemail until later until
I think he says 3:00 a.m. approximately and he did an interview with our good friends Tim and Lance from crawl space
so we're we're pulling all this information from these different points here M but around this same time at uh
119 Deputy Neil arrived at Brandon's pickup he says shortly after 1:00 a.m. this is after dispatch received a 911
call from a trucker along us 277 that reported Brandon's F-150 obstructing traffic by being over the
white line so so it wasn't pulled all the way over right it's still somewhat in the road and this could be very
dangerous especially at night and it's dark out the last gas station before bront his car the truck ran out of gas
before he could get to Brun which was not his final destination right the last gas station before his area where he his
car ran out of gas the distance is about 30 miles between San Angelo and bront so
Deputy Neil who responded to this call has responded to plenty of calls over his career of people running out of gas
in this similar spot so when he arrives at Brandon's pickup truck Brandon is not
there but Kyle was just pulling up this is where things get very weird I mean they're weird enough already when
we go through this timeline here we have Brandon on the phone with Kyle and Brandon says to Kyle when when he's
pulling up in the cops there he's like I can see you I'm right here that's what Brandon is telling Kyle on the phone so
yeah so we can assume that Brandon is in a field he says he's in a field he can see his brother cuz his brother's
bringing him gas with his wife and his kid right he may not be in a field I mean that calls 20 minutes 30 minutes
earlier but he according to he see him right according to what Brandon's telling Kyle he says I can see you I'm
right here now Kyle says he looks around and he does not see his brother anywhere
so he doesn't know what he was talking about but he knows of this active warrant out of Johnson County for
possession with intent to deliver remember we talked about that when we covered it before Brandon had an
outstanding warrant and so Kyle assumes all right he's he's just hiding until the cop leaves to avoid getting in
trouble with police but Kyle says the weird thing here is Brandon tells him tells Kyle to run
from the cop and Kyle's like I've done nothing wrong I'm not I'm not running from the
cop right to which Brandon kind of challenges him says something like you know where's your pride um something
something to that effect right which is very strange but for a while it makes you speculate that maybe Brandon is not
around the area that he claims to be and that he's maybe just somewhere else and
sees some other car and so when he's telling his brother I see you he doesn't really see him but then when he mentions
the officer you go okay we he has looking at he has to be cuz what are the chances
that he's somewhere else and there's a police officer his truck and his brother right and that's the thing that Kyle
says and that's the thing that keeps I keep playing over and over in my mind is when I when I take each of this new
information and I apply it to the template that we already have of trying to figure out what in the hell's going
on what the hell happened mhm you go okay well now I know know he's on meth maybe he's just hallucinating well he
he's probably not hallucinating because he's describing what's happening as it's
happening well he could go in and out of delusion I mean that's possible but and
then but then the other thought you you go well maybe he's not where he says he is but then again the problem is he's
describing what's happening as it's happening there's definitely a heightened level of paranoia yeah and so
now we have Kyle who firmly believes even to this day that that Brandon was looking at him when he said that to him
on the phone right and so now Kyle's interacting with Deputy Neil and he tells him okay uh you know Brandon's not
here but it belongs to this pickup truck belongs to my brother and my brother I've been on the phone with him he's
walking along the road somewhere but his phone keeps losing reception and purposely leaving out the fact that
Brandon you know said that he was close by because again with the warrant I think a big major snafu and it's
nobody's fault but a big huge problem with this scenario as we're looking at it's under
the microscope right now the exact time frame that we're looking at we have Kyle
and Deputy Neil they're at Brandon Lawson's pickup truck Brandon's not there the big problem here I think is
that unfortunately neither Deputy Neil nor Kyle knew about the 911 call Brandon made neither of them knew that
Brandon called 911 asking for help just 20 30 minutes earlier right so we have a couple of scenarios here
that are all going down at the same time we very likely have Brandon hiding from
the cop right because he's got this warrant we got the deputy who doesn't know that this guy this Brandon guy who
his truck is right here might be in some kind of danger because he called 911 just earlier asking for the police mhm
and we don't we have Kyle who doesn't know that his brother's in danger either all Kyle knows is that his brother's
telling him to run from the cops and then Kyle goes on further to speculate why the hell would my brother
call for help from the police one minute and then the next minute he's telling me
to run from the cops well right I think that the equation equals drugs I mean you know he's he's or he
was in some type of danger and then was not in danger is a possibility yeah he he could
have called saying that he needed help believing that he needed help and for whatever reason 20 30 minutes later
either he gets away from whoever he's running from or he gets away from the danger and now he's hiding from the
police and telling his brother to run from him so I either either or possible Right but but I also think it's strange
I think it's kind of a paranoia thing you call your brother to bring you gas and then you make this 911 call you
think at some point he would be saying whatever he's trying to say this is what I was saying about
going in and out of you know delusions is because what if at the time he's having this delusion he calls
911 next time he talks to his brother he's not having that delusion so he doesn't tell his brother about it mhm I
mean I think that's the other thing too it's like we and we are speculating that
he got meth but we don't know for sure and was that meth laced with anything and I know that there's
different um you know how uh pure something is and how that affects the body I'm not an expert on that so I
don't really know but I wonder if that has something to do with the situation that Brandon's in it's it's a
possibility and that's that's the thing about buying illegal drugs is you don't know what is
in or what you're actually buying right but but according to Brandon he it was meth he was looking for and it was meth
that he got right um so now we have this situation where Kyle and the deputy are
interacting with each other and they're discussing Brandon not being there they're
discussing the truck being out of gas right and Kyle says look I'm going to go look for my brother because I brought
the gas can I will'll go get some gas and get this whole thing figured out get this truck moved and get him on his way
and Deputy Neil says to Kyle that well you don't need to go in this direction on the road and I I'm sorry Captain I
thought I had it in my notes going off of memory I think it was North that he was indicating but I but I can't find it
right here at this moment so whatever Direction he's referring to he says you don't need to go look that
direction because that's the direction I the deputy just came from and so I didn't see him walking on the side of
the road yeah so Kyle secretly knows he doesn't need to go find his brother cuz he's just
talked to him and he's purposely leaving out that hey hey my brother's got a warrant and he's right around here
according to the phone call really high so he says that Kyle says that he decided to drive away and just park up
the road just a little bit away to see if his brother would come out once the deputy left he says that he sat there
for he doesn't know the exact time but he says he sat there for a good 30 to 45 minutes he eventually left because
remember he's with his wife and son mhm and his son's only four at the time so his son is hungry and starts crying and
I guess that Kyle was unable to put gas in the can the gas can that he brought because his check hadn't hit his bank
account yet so he he's got no money so he left the gas can in the bed of the pickup thinking that if Brandon came
back he would be able to get the can see the can get the can walk to the gas station get some gas right mhm Kyle has
to go back home because he's got his little boy and his wife he drives back to San
Angelo he got some food and stuff for his kid and he figured that he would just go back out there he thinks that
Brandon is hiding because of the police right and so he's going to go out there well let me pause you for a second too
because if if Kyle's out there with the police officer the police officer leaves
probably looks for Brandon on the way the police officer does but probably heads a different direction than he came
because he already looked that way Kyle leaves he goes down the road he he parks
for a little bit he didn't see any movement but You' think that Brandon at that point would be like I'm going to
try to get in my truck because I'm assuming that my brother would have put gas in in the tank but we we now know
that there was no gas in the tank it's weird too that communication has dropped off between the two brothers yeah but I
think that's due to probably sell service or battery right so if if it was due to
battery then that would make sense with the San Angelo standard Times article saying that the calls were going
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Angie [Music] that we're back cheers mes cheers now we need to keep in mind that all of the
activities that we've really been going through here are technically happening on August 9th 2013 because the 911 call
and everything after takes place after midnight right okay so by this point Kyle is at home he's taking care of the
kid kids fed probably hopefully being put to bed at some point but uh he decides he's going to head back out to
Brandon's truck thinking that when he goes back this time he's going to take some gas maybe the police officer will
be gone by then he says he gets back to the pickup about 5:00 a.m. Brandon wasn't anywhere to be found Kyle says
that he was yelling and screaming his brother's name going up and down the road and Brandon never comes out he was
even saying something like you know like Brandon the the cops are gone you know something like that trying to get his
brother to come out uh from wherever he could have been hiding during that time but he never sees his brother again now
a little after 8 a.m. the Cook County they had Brandon's truck towed away according to this is because you know
it's it's in the road it's a hazard but according to a sheriff's office report Deputy Neil checked properties in the
area of Brandon's truck so this is less than 24 hours after him being missing looking to see if anything
had been Disturbed or for signs of someone who might have got water from one of these properties but he didn't
see any anything to indicate that Brandon was in that area or had been through that area later that day he
checked the same area with a thermal imaging camera on August 11th a small private search team gathered and
conducted a 4-Hour search on Tuesday August 13th a helicopter search was conducted over the Colorado River and
the Colorado River is fairly important on in this whole story they also searched with this
helicopter along both sides of us 277 near where Brandon's pickup was so to be clear Brandon's last known
location was along US Highway 277 North of San Angelo and right for the small west Texas town of Brun so so the last
call that he received that Kyle received from Brandon was the one that he said I
can see you mhm because wasn't there some speculation that the brother got a call after
that that that he said you know that he was riding with somebody that Brandon was riding with
someone yeah if if in fact that happened we don't have Kyle saying that that happened right so if that was
speculation before that could have just been nonsense yeah yeah but I think that
there's there's good room for speculation when you have a story where that's essentially a 911 call and we
knew you see when we go through this we went through a half hour of things that took place that we were unaware of when
we first covered this yeah and that anybody was really unaware of other than Kyle and Lessa now some of this
information regarding information that Kyle has provided to the public yeah he's been very forward with this
information you know taking interviews and such but people wonder well because a lot of people have some suspicions of
Kyle in general but he says you know I've I've been locked up for a decent amount of the time between when my
brother went missing and now mhm or or when he started providing this information
and so he wants to get this information out there to help people piece this thing together a little bit better he's
really wishing that the the local authorities would do more on their part right but that doesn't rule him out as a
possibility that that Kyle did something to Brandon well there's always that I mean until we find Brandon alive or not
right there's always a possibility of just about anything at this point it doesn't seem that way my gut is not
saying that he's be because You' think that if you did something and then you went away to jail and you're were there
for a while and you came back out nobody's continuing to talk about this case unless Kyle does yeah if if if Kyle
and Lessa would let this thing go away it probably would we all we would be left with is this 911 call that keeps
popping up on podcast and YouTube and that that's about it but but as far as the local authorities are
concerned like I said if Kyle and Lessa would let this thing go away it would the local authorities they've conducted
some searches over the years but we have Lessa who has brought in private investigators private search companies
to to search that area now this is Texas and these some of these people in this area own a good deal of land mhm and
some of them are not very willing to allow these private companies to come in and search their land mhm so we have a
difficult situation here where well well and I know his girlfriend said that that
she can't really decipher the 911 call but do we have Kyle saying that he's listened to the call and this is what he
thinks was said well so we we actually have a couple things and let's that's good I'm glad that you brought that up
we will go through that right now so according to Kyle I didn't get like a minute by minute from Kyle on what he
thinks Brandon is saying at different points there is one point as far with as far as the word ster
goes I believe Tim and an well so Tim and Lance asked him if if he would if is that some kind of slang you know from
your your area that you live in that that he's referring to something as a ster ster and Kyle says that it's not
slang he says that he believes his brother was trying to say state trooper but just misspoke right and yes that's
essentially when you really boil it down that is just a guess on Kyle's part but
keep in mind I feel like I feel like this I feel like Kyle knows Brandon better than anybody else yeah we do have
a friend of Brandon's that's from from the same general area and we have Lessa the girlfriend they've put some of
their two cents in on what they think Brandon is saying MH they say that they can understand some of the words that
Brandon is saying some of the words that may maybe you and I can't understand right so I'll try to break this down
without going too you know getting too confused here but this is a general this is what they believe him to be
saying mhm yes I'm in the middle of a field and then something something just pushed some guys over out here going
towards abene on both sides M my truck ran out of gas there's one car here something chasing me through the woods
please hurry we're not talking to him I accidentally ran into him mhm got or or shot the first guy yeah no I need the
cops right which is interesting because the the part of uh we're not talking to him to
me that you know we have him then talking to his brother not much later saying hey we're not talking to the
cops and so that would go along with with what he stated to 911 if he's in this par
paranoid delusion State his thought is still I can't talk to the cops so well I think the thing that's
interesting here is of course there's still some words that they can't make out themselves M the friend of Brandon
he believes that maybe Brandon was looking at his phone that the phone is not up to his ear that he's possibly
could have it on speaker or you you know that he's looking at the phone that the
phone's in front of him right and the friend this is just a belief his friend believes that on occasion when you when
it sounds like Brandon's coming in or out or you can't decipher a word he thinks that Brandon might be changing
directions that he's looking towards something right so that you're you're kind of losing his voice there for a
little bit when when he turns away yeah so I found that to be extremely interesting uh the the other thing that
I found very interesting was the something he you know I I like this friend of Brandon's he's not going to
claim to know what Brandon's saying when he can't understand him he's not just he's not filling out the whole you know
puzzle for us right he's saying these are the these are the words and things that me and Lessa can make out and that
we think he's saying and then here's a couple points where we don't know we just don't know what he's saying there
so the phrase of something just pushed some guys over well it's good that they're doing that though too because on
on one hand they could give you what they think but I think by omitting that it you don't put any ideas into other
people's heads well it adds to Clarity by not by not including that so the phrase of something just pushed some
guys over man I tell you what the the speculation on what that could have meant and if in
fact Brandon is saying state trooper MH that has caused some wild thoughts and theories and and I it's okay that it has
because I think we've all had some pretty wild thoughts and theories on what he could be saying what he's trying
to describe on this one 911 call MH but I remember reading one way back when when we covered it where somebody had
speculated that maybe a State Trooper was pushing or somebody was pushing people off of the
bridge over the Colorado River like just doing away with them which made no sense
at all to me but this statement of them saying hey we believe he's saying just push some guys over he wents they go on
to clarify what they think that he means by that they think that they meant what
the car out on the road you know how you can kind of run somebody off the road right that's what he that's what they
think that Brandon is trying to describe there when when they believe him to be saying just pushed some guys over right
and some guy over right and I've always thought if he's actually saying state trooper that you know maybe he said push
when he meant pulled you know hey he just pulled some guys over right and again it's it's it's really hard to tell
and I I think uh the meth doesn't have to be laced with anything it is meth it it's going to create enough
issues in Brandon's well he's in an altered state that's there's no right arguing that but but I I think like I
said I think there's something you know PCP or something involved with this meth that
caused him to uh see things that weren't there yeah and so you know I went over a
little bit some of the searches and I wanted to make sure there were more uh I it's kind of boring to go through all
these searches that we know have turned up nothing so I won't bog the show down with that at this moment but I wanted to
make sure that I pointed out because when we covered this before it was unclear to me that there
were this amount of searching for him yeah and so there were more searches than what we discussed in our first two
shows it's important to to say that because it we want people to know there has been efforts made to try to locate
Brandon but adding to adding to the confusion of this case for law enforcement and for Brandon's
family is we do have Kyle who says look once I figured out that Brandon was calling 911 for help that that changed
everything for Kyle MH because it's a whole different scenario for this man now he had a
situation before where he thought he was helping his brother all along I'm going
to bring a gas can I'm going to bring some gas oh you can see me talking to the cops I'm not running from the cops
cuz I didn't do anything wrong but I'm not going to tell him where you are because you got a warrant MH afterwards
once he learns that his brother called 911 for help he's been extremely concerned so he goes to law enforcement
and he told he told him straight up look um I I need you guys to go look for my brother because
he he was in that area that night well how do you know well I know that because he called me and said that he could see
me talking to the deputy right and I didn't know that he called 911 earlier that night looking for help or I would
have told the deputy my brother called 911 he says he's around here somewhere but when Kyle pulls up the the deputies
is already there yes so it's according to Deputy Neil he arrived like seconds before
before Kyle arrived yeah cuz you wonder if that's the deputy that he's that he's
possibly that Brandon's possibly talking about on the phone but if he's claiming
I just got there seconds before then it have to be somebody else yeah and the other thing too is
remember the deputy is arriving at the pickup truck because the pickup truck is called in by the trucker right not by
Brandon obviously during his call for help he they're unable to determine where he is and what kind of help he
actually needs so the thing regarding the the call from the trucker there's been a lot of speculation as with with
Brandon's 911 call that there was speculation that the call could have been edited or at the very least it's a
longer call and somebody clipped it and cut it made it shorter so we're only hearing a portion of it right there's
been people close to the case that have confirmed a couple of things and this is
not law enforcement uh these are people with Brandon's best interest in mind that
have said the 911 call by Brandon has not been changed or edited or shortened in any manner and they also say that the
call the 911 call from the trucker did happen that that 100% happened it's not something that you know because you get
some of these conspiracy theories that are going well the cops did something wrong here now they need a reason to
explain why they were at his truck but they couldn't understand where Brandon was so they manufactured this 911 call
from a trucker and people close to Brandon and his family have said that 911 call from the trucker did happen
right it's very unclear like with the these conspiracy theories that that they think that
he's on one hand Brandon's telling his brother hey I'm being chased by this this group of Mexicans
is as if he would know who who he's talking about that they're trying to run him out of town that's on one thing then
he talks to 911 operators still sounds like somebody's trying to run him out of town but then the cops are
involved but but that's what's weird is I think the state trooper and pushed him
over or whatever why would you be calling 911 to get cops to come out there if a State Trooper was already
there especially when you know that you're going to be able to get a hold of your brother yeah or your father you
know what I mean other you have other means of help and you know what I mean it's you
if you see a cop doing something wrong I don't know that my first instinct is to
call the cops right yeah so it's it's a really difficult thing I think though that we have to go off of Kyle's
statement from earlier in the night where he even asked his brother are you tripping I think that maybe a lot of
this confusion is Brandon's words Brandon's movements his uh communication with 911 and with other
people I think it has really confused the situation that might be a lot simpler than than some of these wild theories
would would make it to be or make it out to be right and I I think what's sad here is here's a guy that was obviously
clean enough to pass a drug test was going to start a new job had a family that uh he needed to be
supporting he decides to use these drugs which then make you lose your mind he gets in an argument it's like this
perfect storm I got in argument about the drugs so I can't go back home so I got to go to my parents house which is
really far away and guess what he runs out of gas and the communication between the brother and and 911 and all that
stuff he gets out into this field because he can't you know basically once he runs out of gas he can't be sitting
there and have a cop pull up on him one because of the warrant but two because he's high has a kite and I think he gets
into a situation where he ends up losing his his whereabouts losing his location
and and this is pretty a big vast area right so he could have wandered for a very long
time and and got himself even more and more lost which is weird and difficult though too
because at one point he's I mean he's alive communicating with his brother yeah I can see you I see the deputy I
see my truck he's not terribly far away from so it's it's just weird it's weird that that something happened between
that last communication with his brother that's that prevented Brandon from getting back to his truck okay so
we can I think safely speculate that he is on drugs and the drug is meth we have
no clue how much right well we don't need to speculate I mean we have Kyle it we can't say with 100% certainty
but we have Kyle saying this is not out of character for my brother he was looking for meth the day before I put
him in touch with somebody that sold him some meth mhm I spoke to my brother the
day that he went missing it's not my belief that my brother was on meth I know he was on meth right so if if we
are to believe Kyle then it it sounds like 100% and according to Lessa that's why she's angry with Brandon that he
that he relapsed on my point being so we can safely say that's what we think is happening we don't know how much so is
it possible that I mean he he obviously let's say he did enough to alter the way
he was thinking paranoia delusion is it possible that he ends up o oding out in the field uh from from this drug use
it's possible and then that's where you the elements become an issue and I understand that they searched for him
but how far did he go and is it possible that he was taken away from um from the
site that he ODed you know by an animal or something well he could also have gotten in
trouble after this communication I mean there's still just because these drugs are involved I don't think means 100%
that he didn't run into somebody that night and that's why he's never never come home right so but one one thing
that I was getting to earlier is one problem that that they have and that the family had early on was local law
enforcement was suspicious of two things one after hearing about the the drugs and after hearing about Brandon not
coming home the night before storming out after an argument local law enforcement believes
that Brandon is moved on to another woman and they also believe and don't believe Kyle because they think that
Kyle assisted Brandon in leaving somehow they think you know he's with his wife and kid yes so he got them involved as
well no their thought is after the after the truck was found that at some point Kyle took Brandon somewhere drove drove
him elsewhere he pulls up Brandon calls him says I can see you don't talk to the
cops he he ends up talking to the cops cop leaves he sits around for about 30 minutes 40 minutes he goes back home
gets getes his kid some food puts him to bed goes back out gets Brandon and then
helps him go to onto the next woman well well any version of that story I mean you can have any any bazillion ways that
could happen but they their very general statement to Kyle is we think this occurred and we think you helped him so
one difficult thing too here and this is very I find this to be probably the most
interesting thing of all um so then he's just going to continue to again nobody's talking about this
case unless Kyle talks about it or or you so he's going to go out of his way to do interviews and talk with people
just to keep up the lie I don't I don't know I I can't I can't um rationalize their thinking real quick before we get
into to the thick of this we should point out too that it is Brandon's friend that says remember those noises
that are heard in the background of the 911 call some some people have said that
uh could be a shock could be the a gunshot could be this could be that could be the other thing and what a lot
of people pointed to especially people from the area they're saying look that noise that you're hearing is very likely
vehicles or semi-rs going over the bridge now this is the bridge for the Colorado River and Brandon friend says
the exact same thing he says look I've been out to that area that's the noise that that bridge makes when heavy
vehicles are going over it the interesting thing here is he would have been he would have had to been somewhat
well at least at least within an earshot right of that location right if that is in fact correct but we do have
some cell phone ping information here mhm so according to his friend Brandon's friend a cell
phone ping at 1250 a.m. this is right around the time Brandon calls 911 according to his friend Jason Watts
the phone is pinging near Brandon's truck at that time okay then later we have more ping information so during the
course of this night some of the interaction that we listed as stated as from Brandon to Kyle or
Kyle to Brandon at one of these points it's actually Audrey who is Kyle's wife and I
think it's because Brandon might be trying to reach his brother but the the phone is in the his truck or or
something something to the effect of Audrey had some communication with Brandon and this to takes place around
1:18 a.m. says Brandon is talking Audrey's listening Brandon's on the phone but the phone connection is
cutting out so she can can't make out what he is saying she says that uh this is this is the conversation where
Brandon says that he is bleeding remember we said that his brother took that to mean that he was in
some kind of accident or tripped and fell hurt himself when he was out out there running this is interesting
because this is backed up by their father Brad Lawson he has commented publicly on how dark it would have been
out there at that specific area talking about that time of night very early morning and given the terrain of and
what he knows about the terrain he's saying if Brandon was out there running in the dark it would have been very easy
for him to trip fall injure himself so at this time at this 118 a.m. 1:19 a.m. Brandon's phone is pinging north of
where he left his truck this is up by the Colorado River mhm 30 minutes earlier when the 911 call is made it's
pinging near his truck and then it's now pinging near the Colorado River North of
where he left his truck and what's interesting about that too is that they did a search they did multiple searches
but one of the searches I found had information where they were searching with dogs okay and using these
dogs they were tracking a scent that moved in that same direction from his truck from where his truck would have
been now they didn't go up far enough North to get to the Colorado River or to get to where that cell phone is believed
to be pinging from right at that time but the dogs moved in the same direction that the cell phone ping technology is
telling us that the phone was moving in yeah and and so that would put him at that River and you would an accident
could have happened then yeah so that would put him very close to the Colorado River um it would be interesting to see
cuz now I'm kind of just left with the thought that all right he is either in that
location near the river or he's ended up in the water right and he either ended up in the Water by
accident or somebody put him there well and that that's evidence and and now we don't have we don't have to speculate
everything that he's saying we we know that and they probably have a time of the cell phone ping so
it's probably right after yeah it's 1 18119 of the Northeast ping correct so this is after he talks to his brother so
he starts heading this way again you have somebody that's high on drugs and could could he just go oh I'm going to
cross the river and just not make it but the difficult thing here is that technically that would put him not where
he says he was or not where Kyle believed him to be when Brandon's saying hey I I can see you I'm you know I'm
right here yeah but maybe he can maybe he can see you but from where far away you know he CU he sees the the cops
lights or whatever I mean who knows well this would have been hundreds of Acres right but my point is that we have
evidence that after he talks to his brother the last time he is heading away from his truck and heading towards water
and we have a person that is obviously um not of the right mind and who knows what what kind of accident
could happen with the river well and I think the the saddest part of of this that I came across in this new
information well here's my here's my other point though too is even if his phone was dead it' possibly ping several
more times right no there needs to be some kind of reason for it to Ping it has to do it has to complete
some kind of function for it to ping like a call a text accessing GPS yeah but see I wonder
if it would ping cuz if you go in and out of service what would it ping then you know
cuz let's say you probably you walk a little bit further this way out of service go a little bit this way you're
back in service so what it ping again so my point being is that the the phone doesn't ping after that point that that
puts Brandon to that River and there's no pings after that I I don't think we should assume everything I don't think
we should speculate everything but to me it's like there's evidence that puts him
to that River and and then there's no no more uh cell phone ping ever because also if if he if he left and went with
another woman at that point he just stopped using his cell phone altogether never charged it ever again never turned
it back on it's more likely that he ended up in the river and that's why we have no more
cell phone ping because that water you know cuz the the phone is submerged in water one of the saddest things that I
came across when looking for new information on Brandon Lawson's case is a statement from Lessa who's talking
about the 911 call and she says that the two older girls listen to it on YouTube
trying to make sense of what Brandon is saying and she adds it just hurts me that I can't find him for them Lessa
believes someone knows something about what happened to Brandon and it sounds to me like Brandon's family believe Foul
Play were involved she has said and this was as of the 2018 late last year the San Angelo
standard Times article Lessa has said that she has not been able to find out the identity of the dispatcher
that Brandon spoke to that night or the trucker that called about the pickup that called
911 people these are people that she and the family would like to talk to to see
what they think about what happened to Brandon well he just feel so bad for his family and his friends especially the
brother and his girlfriend that that talked to him that that night because it seems like they were so close to helping
him and that if there was Foul Play or some kind of accident that there were there might have been yards away
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Brief Summary

Brandon Lawson disappeared after a 911 call; new details reveal drug use and a complex timeline leading to his last known location.

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New Information Emerges. Details about Brandon's last known movements and conversations shed light on his case.
Brandon Lawson's Disappearance. Brandon Lawson's 911 call reveals a chaotic situation leading to his mysterious disappearance.
The 911 Call. Brandon's frantic call to 911 raises questions about his state of mind and circumstances.
Brandon's 911 Call. Brandon's call raises questions about his state of mind and the danger he faced.
Kyle's Search for Brandon. Kyle searches for his brother, unaware of the true situation unfolding.
Speculation on Kyle's Involvement. Doubts arise about Kyle's role in Brandon's disappearance as he shares information.

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