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following is by far not your your typical missing person's case for in this story you will hear about a missing
man a missing woman and a missing submarine you will hear about the intense and heartbreaking search for all
three then the explanations and multiple versions of tragic accidents you will hear the destruction
of Dreams the tragic loss of life and relationships you will hear the gruesome discoveries The Morbid details as we
dive into the deep Waters and into madness this is the case that has been called the most spectacular case in
Danish [Music] history Kim wall was born in 1987 she grew up in the Clos Nick community in a
small town in trell Borg this is in southern Sweden just across the street dividing Sweden from Denmark now even
when Kim was young she was very ambitious and driven she studied international relations and from there
she went on to earn two master's degrees one from Colombia's internationally renowned School of Journalism Kim took
to journalism immediately she loved stories she specialized in stories about the fringes of society about identity
gender and societal subcultures her stories often conveyed a sense of social justice for these Fringe
groups and she won awards for her articles her work was published across the world in esteemed Publications such
as the New York Times Time Magazine and the guardian just to mention a few last year in
2017 Kim is 30 years old she is a successful freelance reporter that spent years traveling the world in pursuit of
the next great story she went all over the globe to places like Uganda Cuba Kenya New York City and North Korea in
August of 2017 Kim was staying in Copenhagen with her partner Danish designer Ali stobby
when she began investigating a group of do-it-yourself inventors who were responsible for Cutting Edge privately
financed rocket and submarine construction projects Kim and olly had been walking around
their neighborhood one afternoon past the decrepit buildings of an old Shipyard when they came across the
rocket building workshops this got Kim's interest she reached out to various Publications and had email exchanges
with editors at Wired Magazine working toward a freelance assignment to write about the rocket Builders she knew of
one of them who was considered a bit of a local celebrity he spearheaded the rocket and sub building projects this is
Peter Madson also known as Denmark's rocket Madson now there was a clear and obvious direct competition between two
of the Rival space rocket building companies this is what attracted Kim wall she knew there was a story here and
a good one Kim and her boyfriend olly were planning on moving to Beijing the departure date Captain was August 16th
and this was approaching but Kim wanted to finish her article on the Copenhagen subor orbitals that's tough to say and
we're going to have to say it about 30 times today before she left permanently for China on August 10th a Thursday Kim
and Ali were preparing a goodbye party with friends in the late afternoon just as they were setting up for a barbecue
Outdoors along the water Kim got a text from Peter Madson in response to her inquiries about a possible interview mhm
the two had never met he invited her for tea at his Workshop The Hanger where he
worked was not far from her place so she figured she had enough time to go and still be back in time for this party now
after a quick half-hour meeting with Peter Madson for tea Kim returned home to let her boyfriend know that Peter had
offered to take her out on his submarine she said that over te Peter had been quote all over the place and that she
was nervous to go on the submarine with him but it was a big opportunity so after discussing this Kim decided to
foro her own goodbye party for the opportunity to ride on the famous sub and get an exclusive with Peter Madson
yeah and you never let your girlfriend go on any other man's sub or boat well she asked Olie to join her but
apparently at this time when this discussion is happening their friends have already been invited over they've
already set everything up and it's my understanding that friends had already started to arrive by this point so Ali
says hey look we got all these people coming over if we both go uh we're really doing a diservice to our friends
here well it shows you how passionate about her craft Kim was she's going to drop everything cut everybody out of her
life in this one moment so she can go get her story right missing a uh potentially missing most of or all of a
goodbye party for her right when she's planning to move very far away just 6 days later so I want to discuss this
submarine real quick because it's a bit of a big deal for many reasons because this is what made Peter Madson become a
minor celebrity let's say the May 2008 launch of this submarine made him a minor celebrity this was manufactured by
the suborbital company which was founded by him and another guy now the submarine
that they made they named it the uc3 Nautilus awful name this is or at least at the time hold on if you're going to
name a submarine what's it going to be oh I have never thought about naming a submarine 1 two 3 go believ
land you can't have the word land in any water that's what makes that's what makes it so good yeah good job I don't
know I have no idea that's why I don't name submarines so but the thing here Captain the
Nautilus at at one time or maybe still to this day it was the world's biggest privately built submarine right the
uc3 is a 58 ft sub weighing 40 tons built from donated iron and and other parts it's diesel SL electric and the
interior featured a galley bathroom bunks mess area bridge and engine room do we know the square footage of this I
don't I do not but it's I mean 58 foot is a decent size sub from my understanding but regardless you know
we've all seen The Hunt for Red October and Under Siege and well I don't think that took place in a sub maybe at some
point it did but regardless we know that this is a confined space MH okay and even though that it's 58 ft we discuss
the rooms that were there you know the the galley which you would expect which is basically a kitchen uh you have the
bathroom bunks note that they State bunks instead of bedroom so that should give you an idea that it's a small
confined space right now Kim set off to meet Peter at the submarine she was wearing an orange fleece a skirt and a
pair of white sneakers apparently these sneakers were special to her in a way like these were something that she
always wore when she went out on these different reporting Journeys like her lucky sneakers maybe lucky sneakers part
of the uniform kind of deal you know people have that thing going on um around 700 p.m. she texts the boyfriend
some photos and this was of the submarine she also texts photos of the windmills in the water and herself at
the steering wheel these photos of Kim and and Peter were in some of these photos as well and I
guess they can be found online I've only been able to find uh one or two of them
not all that I have listed here but yeah I've seen a few an article that I found
stated that you could find these pretty easily now Kim continued to text Olly periodically uh with her last text
reading I'm still alive by the way but going down now I love you he brought C CFE meaning he is Peter Madson brought
coffee and cookies though a while later olly was at the bar barbecue with all the friends and one of the friends comes
up to him and says hey Ali look and points out off into the water where he could see the submarine setting off to
Sea and Kim is waving toward him from the hatch the goodbye party went late and continued later on at a nearby bar
and since Kim had promised to be gone for only a couple of hours olly did begin to get apprehensive about the fact
that he had not heard from her since the time of seeing her wave to him in the distance M the two were supposed to
leave for a wedding very early the next morning and it was unlike Kim to not stay in
touch his thoughts and this is where my head would go to is perhaps there's no cell service I mean you're in a
submarine you know at the at the bottom of the of the sea right right um well we
have you know we don't know what their relationship was as far as like texting goes but as far as this day she text
them several pictures several messages and this is pretty much in a short period of time from when she leaves the
the party to get on the submarine so you'd think that right when they come to service right when she gets service to
her cell phone that she's going to be texting him something well and we have to keep in mind here too that they lived
fairly close to the launch area for this submarine you know one uh she discovered
this place when they were just out on a walk in the in the area near their apartment or whatever they lived in and
and from their party from their I'm guessing their backyard area or where they were hosting this barbecue he could
see her from the launch waving to him so and then we also have the situation of Peter has that quick meeting with her
and rather than her just texting or calling Ali to say hey turns out this meeting's going longer and I'm going on
the submarine no it seems to me she's the type of personality and they must be close enough that she goes wait Peter I
have to go home and talk to my boyfriend let him know what's going on where I'm going and such she went a bit out of her
way to make sure that there was a good understanding between the two of them well and remember they have a wedding
they have to leave for early in the morning and I don't know what time they have to leave but You' assume that she
needs to get home so she can get ready I don't know if she packed most people packed the night before mhm so you'd
think that would be something else on her plate that she had to do yeah and she took off like I said around like 700
p.m. so uh or I'm sorry she text him photos at 7 p.m. saying we're getting ready to go under and she was only
supposed to be gone for a couple of hours or at least so she told him by 1:40 a.m.
he the boyfriend olly gets he's starting to get extremely worried now not having
heard from her well and also I mean let's face it as a boyfriend you you can also suspect that you know not suspect
but you might get worried that hey is there some kind of infidelity or something going on this guy owns a
submarine well he decides to call the police uh and he reports Kim missing then a half an hour later he calls the
Navy mhm now no one could find Kim obviously there was no sign of the submarine either in fact separately from
oi one of Peter's co-workers found it very strange and very concerning that the sub had not returned yet so this
coworker alerted authorities that the uc3 Nautilus and Peter mson were missing well and I applaud Ali cuz not only does
he call the police he calls the na mayy say hey what's going on here well and and you know what's um this is kind of a
little out of bounds but when we were discussing this case last week the first thing that obviously jumps off the page
we've never discussed a missing submarine before we've talked about missing individuals missing adults
children uh vehicles of all types uh this the first thing being the submarine I who would even know where to begin
thank God you got the Navy you can call well you you start by Looking In The Water Well a search for the submarine
started and the two missing individuals as well this began around 4:00 a.m. that
morning now they used helicopters and ships to begin the search uh searching Waters around Copenhagen and a call went
out for volunteer vessels to join the search at some point late on that Thursday night into Friday morning the n
was apparently sailing in the orand strait M between Sweden and Denmark and this is from my understanding a very
busy thoroughfare for ships the sub nearly collided with a freight ship a witness on the freighter told police
that the submarine had been sailing with no lights on which is one very strange and obviously very very dangerous in the
busy nighttime Waters the freight ship avoid Ed crashing into the sub only because the Moonlight hit the submarine
in a way that alerted the captain of the freighter to its proximity and he was somehow able to avoid a collision with
the submarine you think they these vessels would also have some kind of sonar uh well yeah I would think some of
them would uh this report this was reported I'm sorry near the island of suam this would be of great concern for
Searchers it because it makes you wonder several things right one is the submarine operating correctly is it uh
is it running properly right it also makes you wonder if anyone if who or if anyone is actually
operating the craft yeah now they would continue to search for the entirety of the night then at 10:30 a.m. on Friday
August 11th the Nautilus was spotted near a lighthouse in Co Bay mhm near a deserted stretch of Shoreline which is
about 30 Mi Southwest of ref chilon thankfully they were finally able to make radio contact with the sub Peter
reported to the lighthouse that he was heading back to Copenhagen but the sub was having some technical problems
according to a local news report at 11:00 a.m. we have a gentleman named Christian isbo M uh he's a local boat
owner helping with the search he saw Peter Madson swimming toward a nearby fishing boat now Peter was alive and
well he was pulled aboard the fishing boat when this boat docked at the nearest Port reporters were waiting to
get the story of the missing submarine a reporter called out to Peter asking if everything was okay Peter turned around
and gave the reporter a thumbs up he said he was fine but he was sad because the Nautilus sank there had been a
defect on the ballast tank he said still there was no sign of Kim wall and Peter
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that [Music] all right cheers mate cheers Captain so later on Friday the police put out a
statement saying that Peter Matson told them in a lengthy interview that he had dropped Kim off near the halend de
restaurant on the tip of rechelon Island at around 10:30 p.m. on Thursday night so this would be just the night before
the submarine sank police were not able to find anyone who had seen Kim after this time after he stated that he had
dropped her off the boyfriend hadn't seen her nobody in the area had seen her she had not spoke to anybody or reached
out to anybody she didn't text her boyfriend so Kim is now officially a missing person then the police spoke
with a man who said that he saw Peter just minutes before Peter was rescued he said said that he saw Peter and the
submarine before it sank saying he saw Peter Go Down the Hatch of the submarine and then reemerged as the sub began to
sink the sub disappeared into the waters within a matter of seconds and this man
described Peter Madson as completely calm the entire time and said that Peter stayed in the tower of the Nautilus
until Water started pouring into the tower and then Peter swam away to safety saving himself mhm and you think that he
would close it so the water wouldn't get into the submarine yeah there well there's all kinds of problems with this
one I don't I'm not going to sit here and pretend to have a full understanding of how typically submarines sink I will
and what is the evacuation process for such um but just here here's one thing the obvious thing is the guy stating
that the man seemed to be calm I don't think that this is a calm situation you know most people wouldn't behave that
way as the submarine sank one and two this is his baby he he built he was one of the people that built this
submarine well that's where I'd argue that maybe he would be calm cuz he knew what the malfunction was and knew maybe
there was nothing he could do about it so therefore he remained calm I got you that's you know that's what what I took
it as one of those things is I I know what the problem is I was here to witness this baby go down and I know how
to fix it it's just a matter of time I just need the right stuff and also there's nothing that I can do about it
so I just got to let it sink and we're also talking about a company that built this thing so they have the money to
then when it sinks we'll go get it we'll fix it mhm no big deal well police quickly reviewed CCTV footage of the
area where he said said that he had dropped Kim off mhm and this was provided to them by a restaurant owner
by the owner of the the restaurant that we mentioned uh when looking for Kim well because we know that's a bad thing
and you're going to get publicity saying that a you know a very attractive lady got dropped off here and went missing
from this restaurant or or nearby yeah you're like okay that's a great way to encourage people to come to the area
right so they get involved they give them the footage here's the strange thing though police do not see any sign
of Kim on any of that that Clos caption footage and or close circuit TV footage I'm sorry the other thing though is look
they had several cameras there this wasn't like they had one little Rinky Dink camera and they didn't see Kim
right they had plenty of cameras at different angles picking up large portions of that area they don't see Kim
more what I find even more damning here is they don't see the sub you know they don't see the submarine at any time
docking letting anybody off anything like that you know Kim maybe another woman could easily be mistaken for Kim
or or not for Kim or so on and so forth but a sub is a sub right right so we have a weird situation where
this this inventor this engineer builds a sub invites this lady onto the sub to interview him mhm the sub sinks so now
that's strange and then this other strange thing of him saying that he dropped her off but we have no sign of
her and we have no sign of the sub correct so at this point you know law enforcement is going something's not
right here well something's not right that and you know what's interesting to me though is you know she's she doesn't
become missing until they locate him right everybody knows several people knew that that she was last with him
right so once once he's located and the sub is witnessed to have sunk to the you
know to the bottom and he's he doesn't tell them until this interview so what's weird here is where we know something
strange and suspicious has probably happened but at the same time we mentioned that he didn't mention
anything about Kim wall to The Rescuers or to the reporters that were in the area well if he dropped her off the
night before why would he mention anything he dropped boom he where in a sinking ship you know
sinking right so in that aspect you start almost wanting to believe his story yeah you wonder well what could
have happened in that area and why didn't why is there no footage of it I'm thinking here captain that the police
likely doubted Peter's story from the get-go mhm because authorities stated publicly at some point and this is
pretty early on in the investigation that they actually believe that they were looking for a body you know while
they're still continuing to look for Kim and hope and pray that she's alive they
publicly state that they think they might be looking for her body at this point and I wonder Peter being local if
he just came off as a odd character anyways and that would make them lean towards that well actually there was
some evidence that are going to Point them in this direction and it's around the same time you know when they make
this public statement that they might be looking for a body this was a 5:30 p.m.
on that Friday August 11th just hours after he had been rescued from the waters police arrested Peter and placed
him in what's called a quote preliminary detention which is the equivalent of preliminary criminal charges pending uh
on suspicion of involuntary manslaughter for and this is their exact wording for
having killed in an unknown way in an unknown Place Kim Isabel Freda wall of Sweden sometime after 5:00 p.m.
Thursday okay so pardon my stupidity but how are they jumping from rescuing him to this well um one there was one more
charge and and we'll get into this evidence here which is pretty uh it's it's interesting it's sad but it's
interesting um he was also charged with indecent handling of a corpse now we don't know
what went down during his lengthy interview you know we do know that he told them that he dropped her off but
the indictment revealed that Kim's DNA had been found on Peter's hands neck and nostrils now we should talk about this
for a minute because I don't think this is something that's pretty this isn't clear to everyone so when somebody kills
somebody and it's it's in a manner that it's up close and personal obviously you're going to get blood and evidence
of that victim on yourself okay or on the perpetrator will and so a lot of times what will happen is the
offender even if they're very good at cleaning up the evidence and cleaning off the evidence of themselves a really
great spot and place for investigators to use a DNA swab is in the nostrils because that's a place that they don't
you don't see in the mirror naturally and it's a place that they forget to clean right and they also swab the ears
sometimes because In the Heat of the Moment when we have blood spatter especially if it's up close and personal
and you're if you're at a excited heightened State you might be breathing heavily in and out inhale exhale and
some of that blood spatter will will end up in the nostrils yeah and have you seen Peter have I have I seen him yeah
yeah I've seen pictures of yeah so one he might have the world's largest dick nose and then two he probably shouldn't
have been working on submarines he could have probably been flying around with those giant ears he has well one thing
that was weird about this there's a well-known photo of Peter and this is when he's speaking to an officer
immediately upon docking uh with the fishing boat that rescued him and in this photo you can you can find this
online and you can zoom in and you can see what appears to be either a cut or a drop of blood on his nose and you can
also see that he has uh a dark substance underneath his fingernails when he was examined at the hospital they did find
scratches uh that were visible on his arms he attributed these to injuries that came from being on the submarine as
it was sinking the authorities were able to raise the Nautilus from the depths turns out it was only 22 ft down they
emptied it of water and they searched the sub they did not find Kim they determined that the submarine had been
deliberately sank and the local media began to speculate that Peter attempted to cover up a bigger crime right this
speculation increased when the chief homicide investigator for the cop Copenhagen police said that coagulated
blood was found inside the Nautilus and later was determined to belong to that of Kim wall the DNA that they found on
him during the investigation or during the interrogation how did they do this DNA
test so quickly uh that I don't know I but it was done relatively fast well okay so let's talk about that because
you know when you have let's say somebody breaks into your home and they they find blood at the scene like maybe
they broke their their they cut themselves on some glass breaking into your house and when they take from my
experience having worked in security usually there's been times where we have submitted and said hey look we believe
this is the DNA or evidence of the person that committed this crime they'll take it they'll add it to the report
they'll add it to the file with the caveat of telling you that you do know that we if we do check this at all it
could years it's because it's a Breakin it's a it's a it's a lower level crime nobody was harmed in the committing of
that crime or killed yeah and we saw this here specifically in Columbus when that that real piece of [ __ ] [ __ ]
abducted that woman outside of her work for no reason other than to rape and kill her right and we saw how quickly
they were able to provide the DNA results to that t test right they were on to him pretty quick they found plenty
of evidence of him at the scene where they found her body and eventually you know we heard what was it a day or 48
Hours it was it was very quick very quick so I think that we're seeing a similar situation here plus you know
these different areas operate differently we're also talking about an area that has an incredibly incredibly
low murder rate like to the point that it's so low that it's it's hard to even compare it to anything here mhm okay so
um they may not have as many things waiting in line to be checked or to be tested right but but it's either way
it's impressive it it is impressive I agree with that so now we're left with the big question of what happened to Kim
wall we know that she was due to go on this submarine she sent pictures of herself on there she's waving goodbye to
her boyfriend as they take off off mhm this guy that's that's the Manning the boat I'm going to keep keep referring to
it as a boat but this guy called a submarine the guy that's Peter Madson says he drops her off obviously he
didn't drop her off they find evidence to to the fact that she was either injured or killed in that submarine yeah
and evidence that maybe she fought back yes and even now that theyve found and located the sub we still don't have Kim
wall now her parents of course were extremely devastated by their daughter's missing person status and they issued a
statement that read quote it is with great concern that we her family received the news that Kim is missing
after an interview with Peter Madson in Denmark we sincerely hope that she will be found and that she is well now the
very strange thing here though to Captain is that we talked about Kim's resume as a journalist as somebody that
traveled all over the place I mean she went to some very dangerous she took on very dangerous assignments in foreign
places over the years and it it's so hard to believe and I can't imagine that anyone thought that she could be a
victim in her own land after having gone to all these dangerous corners of the world in her own land where it's
considered to be one of the safest right in the world well it's just like I said before her
passion for her job and her craft it's it's pretty inspiring well the next day so this is August 12th now this is in a
courtroom appearance in the involuntary manslaughter charge Peter told the court
that Kim had act accidentally died on board in a quote terrible accident he said that a
150b hatch had fallen and hit her on the head she she then fell to the bottom of
the Tower with a fatal head injury Peter Madson said that he panicked at that point and he used a rope to drag Kim's
body up and out of the submarine to which then he said he buried it at Sea okay okay so so one bury it buried it at
Sea does that mean he just put it in the water sounds to me like it's a tossed tossed her overboard situation and I I I
never understand these people that say it's an accident and I freaked out so I buried the body out or tossed it out
into the ocean right if if I'm in my submarine cuz I only have like three or four of them but when I'm in when I'm in
the big one if there was an accident and I freaked out you know what that freak out is going to consist of me
not going around the body me calling the cops right me calling an ambulance that's me freaking out right
me what what's not freaking out is when you can grab the body you can touch the body you can move the body that's not
freaking out mhm that's you being a piece of [ __ ] well and I think that's right though I mean that's that would be
the expected natural behavior and reaction to a horrible accident you would you would go to the person see if
you can Aid them and help them in any way and once that's determined that it's too late for that right it's get them
some real help get them to another place you know get them in a better space well
I'm calling the I'm calling 911 right away anyways because what am I going to help them with well the thing here is
and we've seen this in several other cases okay this is in Peter's defense at least a more believable story given the
information and the evidence that they now have right but you can't believe him at this point because we do have
evidence that he sank his own submarine we have evidence that he lied about where he dropped her off so to then all
of a sudden believe this story which doesn't Point much guilt towards him you go wait a second and it's for all those
reasons that the authorities didn't have any you know they very obviously weren't
buying what he was selling trying to sell them you he was they were not going to release this guy which only makes
sense like you said by his own statements we know that he's lied at least once and now he's admitting some
form of guilt of getting rid of this corpse right and we have evidence of her fighting you we have evidence of her DNA
being in your nostrils it doesn't happen if she just dies from an accident well as we said Captain the police pretty
much arrested Peter Manson right away as they believed that he harmed or killed Kim very early on well they searched his
computers shortly after they arrest him they even recreated his uh profile the profile of his mobile phone somehow now
neither his phone nor Kim's phone would ever be found so presumably it's pretty easy to to use a little bit of
imagination here and figure out that likely Peter tossed both of them into the water right right but you you'd
think they'd be able to retrieve the records or even maybe the text messages they did not anticipate what they were
going to find on his computers okay now some people have pornographic material on their computers well what they found
on his computer was not just regular porn right uh police discovered more than 40 videos on Peter's laptop that
appeared to show women being strangled hanged decapitated skinned sexually impaled and tortured some of these
videos were animations but one in particular of a woman being beheaded was deemed by authorities to be real or at
least they believed it to be real other hard drives owned by wait so so we have videos of women being tied up and and
choked and and that's you know that's one level but then we have where they think this video this
decapitation video they actually think it's real mhm yeah so some of them like I said
some of them were animated videos and others were probably dramatizations or or the real deal now all I have is their
statements what they said to the public and I don't know how many of these were animations how many were dramatizations
how many were thought to be real but this one there was one uh in particular that the authorities that viewed this
material stated they believed it to be real that'd be my luck they would say captain go in the corner watch these
videos let us know what you think that'd be my first day on the job well they also checked out other hard drives owned
by Peter and this contained over 100 additional videos of that were all similar in nature some of these went
back as long as 2004 so meaning he was downloading these as early as 2004 Peter's phone contained seven texts
regarding impaling women in the genital region even more distressing authorities were able to
determine that Peter had actually searched for and watched some of these videos meaning meaning he didn't just
stumble upon some of the videos that were on his hard drives some of them he was searching for or believed to be
searched for because they could find terms that he was using when searching and the terms he was using were
executions and dismemberment and starting in March of 2017 yeah these searches continued into
July and August of last year as well most horrifyingly the night before before Kim boarded the submarine Peter
Googled beheaded girl Agony and watched the video that showed up when as a result of that search do they think that
one was real or does it matter uh I don't have their opinion on this one but I do know some of the details of that
video it's it's a video that was entitled young woman in pain as she slowly as she slowly beheaded with a
small knife now it's you know and there's been you know beheading videos that terrorists have Post online and I
know that people have watched them mhm I've never been able to bring myself to watch one and then you have this guy
that's watching these for sexual gratification I mean he's he's watching a woman be decapitated while he's playing
a game of flicky flicky well at least that's what it's titled um I I don't know that that's what exactly was
depicted in that video well not in that video but we have the police stating that one of the videos they think is
real right so again I mean and this go I think this goes beyond because they always kind of talk
about you know you know watching too much pornography will desensitize you on some level but this is a whole different
level this is not even being desensitized this is somebody that has well and I wouldn't even call this
pornography at this point I mean this is this is It's they're snuff films you know they're they're torture porn snuff
films right but right you know it's it's not even pornography at right but it's like you to me it's like you wonder
how what was broken in this guy's brain to to make him think that this is okay to be watching
well in In fairness I guess to Peter he did deny that these videos were his uh pointing out that all the videos that
were found were found on computers that were accessible by others including his phone uh including um interns that
worked at his office uh he stuck to this story for a little while but he did later fess up to to having watched these
videos um for his part he did he denied deriving any sexual pleasure from these torture and snuff films he said to the
authorities that he watched them to feel quote strong emotions end quote and also
quote I watch these videos to cry and feel emotions he said okay so if we believe him which I
which I don't but if we do believe him yeah maybe um I mean look and I hate to compare Peter to like Elon Musk but
it's like you know I was watching the interview with Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and there's times where Elon and you see
this with um the Facebook Creator Zuckerberg yeah Mark Zuckerberg where almost computer likee
they start talking sometimes and you and you wonder how they seem to have such lack of emotion so it's like if you do
believe what Peter is saying is he did he get that far gone mentally where he's like I don't I don't feel anything good
or bad I think there's evidence that shows that he's not just watching it for what
he's saying but again there's there's some mental break there you you have to be a pretty sick individual to be saying
I don't feel anything so I have to watch something this awful to just create some kind of emotion in me
well if we're to believe him that means he's dead inside right he's dead inside he's void of emotion Yeah by his own
statement and if we don't believe him and which I think is probably more likely if not you could have a
combination of both but then that means that yeah you could that means that the other alternative would be that he is
deriving sexual pleasure from watching these videos right and when he states that you know and then I'd cry well I
think afterwards like I said if there's something broken inside you you might cry after this because you're going what
the hell is wrong with me why am I having to watch this to to you know get off during a game of flicky flicky I
mean so I just I don't know it's just it's so bizarre but he didn't feel that bad did he let's say he did cry all
right let's let's say he by his own words he cried to feel emotion whatever emotions he was feeling
they weren't bad enough for him to stop watching this [ __ ] no no no so he didn't
feel that bad he may have felt a let's say he did I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he felt bad in the moment if
you truly feel bad about something if you truly feel bad about something he's 100 100% or should be 100% in control of
this despicable action that he's doing repetitiously right but this he could he at any time could stop or seek help for
this right on a psychology level that's what makes me wonder it's like you I mean you look at a dmer or somebody like
the fantasies that dmer was was having were very odd fantasies and and so it's it's it goes
back to was this individual born broken or did they get broken you see what I mean so I it's just I
wonder what the hell happen for him to get to this point or if or if he was just made this
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August 2017 - Denmark; A very strange disappearance leads to an arrest and a gruesome discovery. Kim Wall is a smart, driven young woman with a passion for journalism. She travels the world in search of her next big story. She has been to some very dangerous corners of the earth. No one knew that the greatest danger she would find was living in her extremely safe neighborhood. This case has been called “the most spectacular murder case in Danish history.” Tonight we supply some answers to this strange case and offer up some questions of our own. Beer of the Week - Lorelei Barrel Aged Extra Maple by Omnipollo Brewing Garage Grade - 4 and a half bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Kim Wall went missing after boarding Peter Madsen's submarine, leading to a complex investigation into her disappearance and Madsen's actions.

Key points

The Missing Submarine Case. A missing man, woman, and submarine lead to a heartbreaking search.
Kim Wall's Ambitious Journey. Kim Wall, a driven journalist, pursues a story about rocket builders.
The Last Goodbye. Kim texts her boyfriend before embarking on a submarine adventure.
Submarine Sinks. Peter swims away as water floods the Nautilus, leaving questions about his calmness.
Police Investigate Kim's Disappearance. CCTV footage reveals no sign of Kim after Peter claims to have dropped her off.
Peter's Arrest. Authorities arrest Peter on suspicion of involuntary manslaughter after finding Kim's DNA.

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Episode quotes

You never let your girlfriend go on any other man's sub or boat.

Discussion about Kim's opportunity to ride on the submarine.

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