Kerrie Ann Brown /// Part 2 /// 627 | Forensic Files

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[Music] after the body of 15 year old Carrie Brown was found a brief press release
was issued that read Thompson Detachment located the body of 15 year old Carrie Brown of Thompson at 2 pm October 18
1986. the body was located in a wooded area on the outskirts of Thompson Miss Brown was reported missing by her
parents on October 17 1986. Foul Play is suspected and an investigation is continuing okay yesterday Captain you
had inquired about the location of where they found Carrie's body as we have already covered Carrie's friends all
recall the town of Thompson to be safe and friendly it was nothing for girls to walk at
night not alone but no one question whether teens should be out at night it was a safe place in 1986 and Carrie as a
rule didn't walk much of anywhere alone as we talked about in yesterday's trailer a Map was published by the
Canadian crime pedia that shows all of the points of interest in our case so we have Doug's house where the party was
which is right on the Northwestern edge of Thompson then we have Nicole's house which is nearby and by most accounts
I'm being told that this is about a two to three minute walk from Doug's to Nicole's house
the location where Kerry was found was not all that far away either but was considered to be on the far outskirts of
town it was off of mystery Lake Road which was sort of a main drag within Thompson but which turned into a
two-lane Rural Road outside the city limits Carrie Brown was found about one and a half kilometers north of the
city the horse stables where Donna and Joanne kept their horses was very nearby of
course and Kerry was found on a dirt horse riding Trail across mystery Lake Road from Thompson Golf Club all of the
Articles say that she was near the hydro line which is the Canadian power company's electrical easement and down a
dead end Road it's a place one would almost certainly have to be local to know this spot to know this area and one
could only get there by car that's interesting to our story and of interest to our investigation because there were
fresh tire tracks that were visible at the scene on going back to what her friend says Nicole leaves the party she
sees footprints that lead down to some tire tracks well and the interesting thing here too about this location where
Carrie is eventually found is it from my understanding this is kind of a like a local teen hangout spot
so in fact that same evening the night that led up to Kerry going missing and then
we later find out she was killed that night that same evening Trevor and his friends were actually debating where to
go to meet up to drink beer and that was one of the spots that they considered hanging out at near those horse stables
so that really Echoes that idea that this is sort of a a teen hangout area well and think about that Carrie's
leaving this party some older teen says maybe it's one maybe it's two individuals maybe it's
even more hey we're going to go you know just a block away or so and and have a couple drinks there you want to join us
and maybe she says yes again like I said it wasn't a huge party so we should be able to almost identify every individual
that was at the party or around the party but also we we talked about teenagers walking and and droves to this
party so is it POS it should be very possible for us to identify every vehicle there that was there that night
exactly and just staying with the idea of honing in on this area where her body was recovered from
looking through my notes here it says that the spot the reason why teenagers would
hang out there was that this spot was close to town but it was also remote enough that there
was little chance of being caught out there or found by your parents or discovered by nosy adults so kids would
hang out there and drink and party but as we know somehow Carrie Brown 15 years old ended up there dead it's very
shocking to me that there wasn't more rumors swirling around in this case because it was
starts off you know the events start off at a high school party well we did discuss the rumor that Carrie was found
nude that was a and it's not correct we just we discussed what she was wearing when her body was recovered
that was just one of the rumors I'm guessing but that's the one that was a strong enough rumor or repeated enough
times that it made it all it made its way all the way to us here over 30 years later
regarding the investigation you're exactly right Captain like this this is a rather large investigation in part
that you're interviewing so many teenagers and so many people that were at that party that had come and go throughout
the night people that she went to school with acquaintances things like that the case
File is is large is rather large in this because of the night in question now speaking of the investigation
in the beginning we have three lead investigators that will be working the case so it's it's three lead
investigators from the RCMP this was Constable's Pat Cahill Maggie Gregory and polygraph and forensic examiner John
tost I'm guessing because of a lot of the stuff that you're you are saying here captain and
how this crime and how The Disappearance is all described my guess would be that
when this team was assembled to head up the investigation the murder investigation that these three probably
thought that this would be a pretty open and shut case that they would be locking
in on a suspect quickly and find evidence to back that up well yeah like we said there was a decent amount
of kids at this party if you're law enforcement you're thinking somebody heard something
saw something or knows something you would think so and that's exactly where they start their investigation they're
going to round up everybody that was at that party that night they're going to question them they're going to go
through Carrie's home and Carrie's bedroom they I guess she had her own phone and answering machine in her room
so They confiscated that so they could review the answering machine and the phone they were looking into Carrie's
family her friends her acquaintances her teachers really all the usual stuff that
you would expect the thing here though is Carrie has no enemies nobody could think of anybody that would want to do
something terrible or to harm Carrie and then on top of that even with all these
people that they talk to there's no one that seems to have any clue as to what happened outside of
Doug's house that night and you were saying that Doug's mother was there but sometimes when there's these
get-togethers that other parents will stop by just to keep the parent The Chaperone company do we know of any
other parents stopped by to hang out with Doug's mom because Doug's mom seemed to be upstairs the whole time
maybe somebody would have an adult would have seen some from my understanding and
as it's reported his mother sounds like she was the only adult well we say only adult but some of the kids themselves
were adults because there were 18 year olds at this this Gathering as well let's dive into the information that we
know about the crime scene there's a good amount of information and a good amount of evidence that's going to be
found at this crime scene or the murder scene so the police they gathered up all these
bloody branches which had sharp snapped off ends that were used to beat Carrie to death
so they have their murder weapon or weapons as it were in this case they have blood all over the ground
under Carrie's body as well so this led to the logical conclusion that Carrie had been killed where she was found but
the lack of mud on her clothing led to another conclusion that she was almost certainly raped elsewhere perhaps in a
vehicle now we know that the people that found her body described this area as as
a muddy area they're thinking that the lack of mud on her clothing means that the sexual assault took place
at a different location and that she was then brought to the spot where she was killed with these branches and the that
makes a lot of sense based off of the blood evidence but also the branch evidence as well there were some other
weird things found at this uh crime scene that could be or could not be of evidentiary value here to our
investigators so there was an air mattress and there was also a rubber car mat that were found on the muddy ground
this from the Thompson citizen website it says a vehicle got stuck in the mud there and a blue and red air mattress
and a black rubber floor mat were used to try and gain traction and extricate the vehicle the air mattress had
branches shoved under one end which police believed were used behind the stuck tires to increase traction of
course the finding of a rubber floor mat seems like it would be a crucial clue right that might help you
help one to lock in on the make and model of the car that was stuck in the mud yeah that's a good point and that
air mattress surely that could be connected to somebody definitely this is one of those things where you wish that
show these things to the public and ask the public for help if you don't know something ask anybody do you know
somebody air mattress do you know somebody that had an air mattress like this previously but after the murder
they no longer have one well the other problem though too is like you said this is a local hangout for teens
and how many times have you been hanging out with one of your buddies and their dumb ass gets stuck and you have to push
or again throw stuff under the tire to try to get traction this could have nothing to do with the
actual crime you're exactly right it's it's one of those situations where it may have nothing to do with the crime or
it may have everything to do with the crime I can see I could see someone going up there in the dark unaware that
that it's muddy and that they might get stuck so that's certainly a possibility but so
but what a boner the the crime scene it it has a decent amount of of possible evidence here right right so
we talked about the floor mat we talked about the air mattress but police also lifted some distinct shoe prints from
that mud now photos have not been released publicly again I don't know why we release things
to the public and ask for help but the someone knows something podcast reported that there is one very clear
print that looks as though the wearer of the shoe was pushing a vehicle and they
say this is because the toe impression is very strong with no heel Mark they believe that it's an Adidas basketball
shoe Adidas the thing here that that I find of interest to Captain when we review things like this and statements
like this that are coming from a crime scene I hear that that people of expert level would consider this to
give off the idea that somebody was pushing a vehicle whoever was wearing the shoe might have
been pushing a vehicle trying to get it unstuck doesn't it make you think that probably
two people were there like usually isn't somebody Manning the the steering wheel
while somebody else is pushing the vehicle from behind yeah and I don't know if you know this I couldn't find
this information we said there's several branches that look like weapons that they used to beat carry do we know how
many branches there were I don't know how many branches they were there were and unfortunately the RCMP has never
released photos of any of the items that we've discussed the the mattress the rubber
floor mat or the shoe prints so and in some ways they won't even confirm whether they believe that these items
are related or not to the crime well and also local teen Hangout I know I'm going to keep hitting on this
point but if it was me and my friends and we know what happened that night I wouldn't suspect one of my friends to
come forward even if we had nothing to do with the murders I I could see 16 17 18 year old that's like I don't want to
come forward I don't want to be questioned you would probably be scared to death to go to law enforcement and
say that's my air mattress or that's my shoe print but we had nothing to do with
those murders so like I was saying before we have so many people at this party coming and going
should have a witness and we and we do have a witness so what do they know what do they see
yeah this is very important we have a possible eyewitness here and police find a person who says that they saw two
vehicles leaving that area the area where Carrie's body was found leaving that area that night they were were
reportedly seen on the only Road that goes into that area so it makes sense that maybe they could be connected
to this crime the witness says that these vehicles he saw two vehicles and this would have been around midnight
which is somewhat interesting based off of the time of death as well as reported by
police now it's totally unclear how reliable this sighting was because the witness Sean Simmons
claimed both cars had their lights off when he saw them so depending captain on how dark it was out his identification
of the vehicles and the one driver that he reports could be doubtful but anyway what he says is that one car he saw was
a 70s era green muscle car and the other vehicle was a white van and Simmons passenger
Larry Leeper also saw the cars so we have a second individual saying that he saw these
vehicles as well Apparently one of the witnesses described the muscle car as two-tone and
the other one says that it was a solid color so we do have some discrepancy in there
in their eyewitness statements but Simmons our main guy here tells the police that he got a good look at the
driver of the muscle car do we have his description of that well we might even have his name so this is really weird
because police they they hear the description of the vehicle and they're like yeah we know somebody in town that
drives a car like that and it's a uh a guy named Patrick Sumner who was 22 years old at the time now it's unclear
to me Captain how Sumner was identified whether Simmons already knew him or whether police
showed him a photo array and he picked them out but Simmons told the CBC later that he's saying that he was 90 sure
that it was Sumner that he saw out there that night this Patrick Sumner guy so he's not denying that he saw
the eyewitness oh no no no sorry no he's he's saying that he's 90 sure that Patrick Sumner is
the same guy he saw there yeah small town unique car hard to hide but again you have to go
back to the idea that this is a hangout for local teens and is it possible that there was people hanging out
the night before the murder took place that have nothing to do with the crime well and this looks like they're going
to solve the crime Captain because they they go and find this Patrick Sumner guy within just days of the
murder he's now their prime suspect in the case they interview him he has no attorney present he swears up and down I
have nothing to do with Carrie's murder I I'm unclear whether he even knew her at all there's nothing to suggest that
he even knew who Carrie was but they go ahead and they charge him anyway you know how these high school parties were
you'd have some 15 16 I attended one yesterday yeah well see you'd be in the group of people that I hated at the high
school party at yesterday's high school party I brought my motorcycle and I jumped a shark and
um I'm now like a local hero just so everybody knows well I always thought it was strange
and not to give ourselves away but one of our buddies grandma would go on vacation and we'd have parties at our
house without any parents knowing but I remember sometimes there being guys and girls in their early 20s at the
party and I always thought what kind of loser are you to show up you have nothing better to do
than to go hang out with a bunch of high schoolers and a high school party but this is going to bring us to a three-day
trial well what it is is it's actually a preliminary hearing because what they need to do is they're still in the
process of even seeing if there's enough evidence to take this thing to trial remember he's denying that he has any
involvement at all and they decide to charge him anyway so now we got to get a judge to sort this
out to see if it's going to go to trial so the evidence that the RCMP gathered and presented against Patrick Sumner at
this three-day preliminary hearing was as follows a spot on the interior light of summoner's car appeared to be blood
item number two was blood stains were found on a t-shirt taken from a hamper in the Sumner home so his home was
searched and they obviously seized a few items 12 hairs consistent with Carrie's hair
were in Sumner's car on the seat and a witness testified that Sumner was washing his car the following day after
the murder this was a local body shop owner and a used car salesman Raleigh Becker who could see the dump so
this is going to sound very much like Steven Avery making a murderer Sumner lived at the town dump the the family's
property was the the town dump and this I'm sure he had a great High School experience living at the dump well in
this used car salesman said that you know I can see the property from my business
where I work and and that is how I saw him washing his vehicle the following day now by the time we get to this
three-day preliminary hearing Sumner has an attorney his attorney did a really good job making the court
question whether there was any type of sufficient evidentiary connection between Sumner and the actual killing
let's kind of combat some of that evidence if you will so the RCMP Constable John tost assumed that the
stains on his mirror on Sumner's vehicle's mirror were blood but they conduct tests lab tests and it was
determined that the stains were not blood we're not sure what the the material actually was Sumner did say
that he believed it was tomato juice it doesn't really matter what it was because it wasn't blood stranger would
be tomato juice I'd actually lean towards maybe the idea that'd be transmission fluid something that would
be a darker red color these small blood stains on the T-shirt oh this is I'm going to apologize in advance because
it's going to get gross here for the next minute these small blood stains on the T-shirt were the same type as
carries but the shirt belonged to Sumner's father so they find this item when they're searching the home right and
they're like oh look this appears to be blood on a t-shirt we better confiscate this well very quickly they learn this
shirt does not belong to our suspect just somebody else that lives in the home his father yeah but if sometimes
you take your father's clothes and wear them right it was possible he would have
access Sumner would have access to be wearing this shirt so here becomes the problem for their evidence with this
shirt yes the blood found on this t-shirt was the same blood type as Carrie's that doesn't mean that it is
Carrie's blood it's just the same blood type so it's possible that it was Carrie's blood on this shirt if that's
if that's going to be the case that's a big problem for this Patrick Sumner suspect however
keep in mind he's saying that shirt belongs to my father and the blood stains the father says were from zits on his
dad's back that's the gross part that we got to oh that's uh delicious so the delicious
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um the the blood that was found on the shirt was also consistent with the father's blood with Patrick Sumner's
father's blood so so the story makes the story makes sense it could be his his father's blood again
it's the same blood type so then the the other problem but the other problem here
is Patrick Sumner would have access to that shirt but his father would have access to his son's car yes he would so
he's not seen it they both become no which I understand but what I'm saying is as far as the defense goes you
can start bringing up the fact that you can make a case that is not Patrick but the father now what about these hair
well samples that they found in in Patrick's car as we know now in 1986 it was thought of differently but as we
know now hair analysis is not exact the science on it is not exact so all you can do is is compare two hairs and go
yeah they're similar you can't say that they came from the same person there's unless you're extracting DNA from those
hairs and comparing it that's the only way that you can determine that it came from your the victim so the the hairs
that were found in his car they just simply cannot be 100 linked to carry now we don't have the Smoking Gun
yet against Patrick but we have evidence building we'll get more into that after
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Facebook and Twitter and Instagram at True Crime garage cheers cheers to you Colonel and then the item of Sumner
washing his car I mean that's one of those things that I always kind of laugh at because some people will say that's
evidence that somebody's trying to cover up a crime others say look it's just a guy washing his car Sumner does give a
statement at the hearing regarding washing his car he says that there's a couple problems with the polices
timeline here he says first of all I'm a mechanic and I was in school all day on
Friday so I was not washing my car on Friday the day after she was killed I was washing my car on Saturday and I was
washing my car on Saturday because I like to keep a clean car and he also points out he goes he goes above and
beyond here and points out he's like look if I was trying to hide something I wouldn't be washing my car at a location
or in a place where many people could see me not just this one witness right well and and Patrick's defense here we
said that it snowed so at some point they're going to put salt down on the road and a lot of people want to make
sure especially with these old type muscle cars that you want to get that salt off your car so it doesn't rust
down the long and short of it is that the crown did not present any other evidence against Sumner that we know of
we know that the judge dismissed the Crown's case this takes place in February of 1987.
saying that they're the circumstantial evidence against Sumner was misinterpreted by the RCMP
and that the judge decided that there was actually insufficient evidence to keep
Patrick Sumner over for a trial now one thing that's difficult on our end here Captain as we try to report this the
best that we can to everyone the transcripts from this preliminary hearing have never been released so we
we can't say if there was any other evidence against Sumner or anything else that really got him off
completely because we just don't have that information has not been made public I would have loved to be a fly on
the wall during that trial and fly on the wall during the conversations between Patrick and his lawyer but now
that was all taken place in 87. like you said she was raped we should be able to test
the seamen the DNA of that scene well so in the end Sumner spent four and a half
months in jail before this preliminary hearing took place waiting to see if he would be
tried and of course after they determined that there's going to be no trial he's released he says that he
still suffers from PTSD to this day from being wrongfully accused well that's a lot of time to spend in jail if he if he
is innocent that is a long time to spend in jail for a three-day preliminary hearing well
let's jump to this because you asked a brilliant question here and and knowing the details of the attack and knowing uh
what the victim in in the crime scene in the crime itself you ask a great question do we have any type of DNA so
Sumner is released and really all that is is like hey you know there's still some people that were suspicious of
Sumner even after he's released and the judge says there's not enough evidence here for a trial obviously but
nothing really happens in the case for a long period of time now the the police themselves they try to ramp up the
Public's interest in the case and and revisit media attention to the case on the five-year anniversary of the
unsolved murder but nothing really happens until almost 10 years or a little more than 10 years later
this is in 1997 when just like the band one of my favorite bands clutch says we got big news this is when the Winnipeg
Sun reported on June 7th 1997 that evidence from the scene has been stored over the years a recent
breakthrough with DNA testing has put the case back on the front burner results from an Ottawa lab show at least
two males are responsible so there's DNA in the case we sit here all these years later and we still do
not know the source it could have been from blood it could have been from semen it could have been from Material under
carries Nails touch DNA touch DNA on items found at the scene we just don't know where they got this DNA
from we can speculate I don't think we need to we know some details about the attack but the the key is here that they
have DNA this is what will solve this case or should solve the case soon and hopefully it's solving the case soon
now what we can report is that Patrick Sumner who spent four and a half months in jail awaiting a
trial for the murder that he was accused of for the murder of Carrie Brown and then later released that DNA does not
match Patrick Sumner so they've been able to test the DNA it doesn't match him but look again I feel bad for him
but he was identified by eyewitnesses he was at least in that area the night of the cry I guess I I don't know how he
was identified right like that's the thing that always kind of puzzled me with this part of the story it's like
well it turns out not to be him he could have been in the scene at the scene or near the scene but
he says he wasn't and so and then the DNA kind of backs up that he didn't well not kind of it does back up that he's
not the Killer and in this case one of the two killers but so he has really no reason to lie
for not being in the area as he said so I've always kind of wondered like is he just
like this dude that the police knew and they say to the witness like yeah we think we know who owns that car and
rather than showing him a photo lineup dude they just show a photo and say was this the guy and he's like yeah it looks
like the guy it wouldn't be the first time that that situation happened law enforcement does a lot of wrong things
but sometimes that's because they're human could you imagine going to this crime scene seeing this 15 year old girl
beaten badly beaten and knowing that she was raped and then once you get the test
results she's raped by multiple people now I want to throw out something there for you is because of this again we
don't know how many branches but it is possible that there's more than two attackers just because we have seamen
from two individuals this could have been a situation where there was a gang well again we don't
know where the the source of the DNA but that's what I'm saying is like just because we only have two sources doesn't
mean that there was only two people involved I would say the more people involved the more likely that you're
going to have somebody speaking or there's going to be more rumors or maybe more people that uh didn't have a solid
Alibi for the night and then we're going on 30 something well and a little follow-up to the
information that came out in 97 about them having DNA in the case and that their words are results from an Ottawa
lab show at least two males are responsible so that that's their words right and we can only go off of off of
that statement but a little follow-up to that this comes from the Thompson Citizen
newspaper and it says crime scene DNA samples gathered in 1986 came from at least two different men DNA science was
in its infancy in 1986 so much of the DNA evidence was re-examined and re-analyzed in the 90s
new DNA samples searching for matches have been taken most voluntarily some pursuant to court orders what they're
saying here Captain is that they either got a court order or people volunteer voluntarily let them take their DNA this
was from more than 100 people so they've compared this to more than 100 people and they've not found a match for either
of the samples that were found at our crime scene but you think they'd run this through the system to see if
there's somebody in jail that matches this DNA I I'm guessing that their laws are a little different than ours but you
have to be hopeful that this case will be solved and it'll be solved by technology well and whatever that they
can do I think it's safe to say that they have done I mean they're they wouldn't be out
there getting court orders for people to test and compare DNA if they're not already checked into whatever databases
that are available to them at the time and then like here I know that with when they check code is here
that CODIS is is checked again in the state of Ohio every 30 days this is very similar to like the JonBenet Ramsey case
in the sense that you have a lead detective on that case that has a list of individuals that he thinks are
responsible now they have a task force that is had headed up by jonbenet's Brother half-brother
and like you said some of the individuals are volunteering their DNA willingly and others they're getting it
through court order or tactics like all the guy was smoking and we collected some of his cigarettes
so I think this case will be solved it'll just take time because you know with all your work with project
porchlight that these tests are not you don't get there it's not like a coveted test you're not getting a result
back in within a minute correct and just because you get DNA doesn't mean that you're ever going to find
a link to who it belongs to I mean there are many many situations where a person
or persons are not in any database out there so well a lot of people talk and and I don't know if you know this
but I was reading about just some familial DNA test that can range from you know five
thousand to twenty thousand dollars so it's these law enforcement agencies have budgets they can only do so much
one article that was really interesting to me here and this is honing in on a what I would deem to be a drastic step
that was taken by the RCMP they mailed out letters to every resident that lives in Thompson as we
said that's like 12 000 people and they're asking for information information specifically about Carrie
Brown's case a Thompson Citizen newspaper article from 2011 addressed some of the rumors surrounding
what police were asking of the residents what information they were seeking it states that several witnesses reported
seeing Carrie getting into a van between 10 30 p.m and 11 P.M others say or others believe that she
took a taxi and then there's other people that say that she may have walked somewhere by herself from the party at
Doug's house so they're asking people hey residents of Thompson do you know anything did you see a van did you see
somebody in a van did you talk to somebody that has a story about a van and maybe Carrie or an unnamed girl did
you do you have you heard any stories about a taxi cab or did anybody see anybody walking from that party
that's I mean I cannot think of a situation or a crime taking place here where every resident every home is
mailed a letter asking for information but I'm hopeful again at least two individuals
and one of those individuals could be listening right now this case will get solved Carrie and her
family will get Justice so sleep tight well like we said here Captain a lot of work has been done in
this case and it's a decades-old case several decades old case and to back up some of that statement we have a CBC
article by Bryce Hoy that addressed the huge case File so a lot of work has been
done and it's reported that at one time it was considered to be the largest unsolved Cold Case file in Manitoba so
it's 45 Banker boxes that hold 14 000 or more documents and details about 2 500 Witnesses this would be people
that they spoke to Witnesses friends suspects uh and even investigators that were involved over the years one thing
that's key here with it with an investigation this large and a paper trail this large
and now we're talking about two perpetrators and I believe the words were at least two males so that as you
pointed out earlier could mean even a higher number than two but what's interesting here in almost bizarre
because you don't see this typically in these types of crimes is it whoever did this or the person's
responsible for this seemed to have been remarkably good at keeping his mouth shut or their mouth shut yeah
and with the evidence like you said they have think about the FBI shows you've watched with those those Banker boxes
what did you say 45 of them correct that is a ton of information it's very likely that law enforcement has entered
interviewed one if not all parties responsible for this murder and then circling back to something that you had
talked about and touched on briefly there captain we need to make sure we point out this
there there was a very crucial line and a news story that came out not terribly long ago about this case this said that
the RCMP have stated have said that they sent the DNA extracted from the crime scene evidence
to a private lab in the United States and the another lab is conducting the genetic genealogy portion of the process
to build the family tree of whoever the DNA belongs to or in this case it might be two family trees what's weird is that
is in a news article however we've talked about how tight-lipped the police have been in this case and Carrie
Brown's still unsolved murder but the RCMP will not address this at all so we don't have the confirmation from the
RCMP that that is what is actually taking place it's not clear to me how the newspaper
the Thompson citizen came to this information that is what they have reported so I'm hoping and I know
you are hoping as well captain that this is accurate information yeah definitely
it'd be a huge step in the right direction one thing that is unfortunate is that the town of Thompson has had a
significant uptick in crime since Carrie Brown was killed back in 1986 a 2021 news article on
thompsoncitizen.net by a local journalism initiative reporter Dave Baxter he reported that quote over the
last few decades the city of Thompson has also become known for things far more Sinister crime violence and murder
cases that have never been solved the city has consistently ranked among the top communities in all of Canada for
rates of violent crime per capita the city's mayor Colleen smook who has lived in Thompson for 43 years
said it bothers her and others in town that the community has become known for less than desirable reasons but she
also says there is more to those statistics saying our crime numbers are high because they are based on a
community of 13 500 people while we are a hub for 55 000 people and she goes on to say when we look at the stats of
actual crimes committed most offenses are committed and happen to persons without a Thompson address
so that really is the Crux of this case in my opinion the consensus seems to be that Kerry's case is different from
those committed by Drifters who pass through town most people in this case seem to think
that Carrie likely got into a car with probably somebody she trusted and probably more than one person
and then she's found by the horse stables in this out of the way area by the horse stables known to locals
her family says that Carrie had a major phobia of bridges and would refuse to cross them unless she
was with someone who could comfort her and I guess at one point in her lifetime this phobia of bridges was so bad that
when her family car would approach a bridge she would get down on get down low in the vehicle almost to
like not see going over the bridge and what's interesting here is someone had to drive her across a large bridge on
mystery Lake Road over the burnt Wood River to get her to where her body was eventually found and right all of the
information or the evidence that we're seeing at that crime scene is telling us that she very likely was killed where
she was found it also makes you wonder was Kerry's murderer uptick in this community because one the trauma that
everybody would have felt growing up even if you weren't at that party that night you would have known somebody that
was affected Kerry's not the only victim here her family her friends her classmates
so you have a type of trauma that goes through the community but also you have a case that's not solved right
so does that open up Pandora's Box for all the Freaks and Weirdos that go hey I could get away with this too well and
given the statements by the mayor and the uptick in crime and and pointing out that a lot of that crime is coming from
them being a hub rather than its actual citizens I you know that still it Still Remains a
possibility that Kerry was the victim of a violent stranger on Stranger abduction
someone driving by happened to see her or she's out walking a couple blocks to her friend's house on her own and she's
thrown into a vehicle and I and and I think you could look at this and argue both arguments pretty easily
here that it was it had to be a local had to be somebody that knew her that's why she got in the car that's why she
was found where she was found but then at the same time you can say well they've already tested the DNA against
over 100 people that their names were in that case File and we've not found a match yet so maybe it was
some kind of random crime and a stranger on Stranger crime and as we know as we all we see
those are very hard to solve right now the RCMP will not confirm that they are using forensic genealogy in
this case and Carrie Brown's case but let's all hope that they are because after 36 years it seems likely that that
is the only way that this case will get sold [Music] [Applause] I want to thank you so much for joining
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can find that at truecrime garage.com as well and you can also find recommended readings so Colonel do we have any
recommended readings this week Captain this is an oldie but a goodie this is one that we have definitely recommended
before and I'm very happy to be recommending it again because a few weeks ago we were talking about serial
killer Kenneth McDuff and that inspired me to read for the third time who killed
these girls which is a book about the yogurt shop the infamous Austin Texas yogurt shop murders case why am I
recommending it again because it is absolutely one of the best true crime books ever written one of these days
Captain I'm going to come out with a list of the Colonel's top true crime books of all time and this one will
certainly be on there you are going to want to check out who killed these girls Cold Case the yogurt shop murders by
Beverly Lowry you can find that great title and many more on our website's recommended page True Crime garage.com
that is a great idea for an episode I'm going to hold you to that maybe we can do that by the end of the year I would
be interested to hear your top 10 list until next week be good be kind don't litter
foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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Part 2 of 2

Kerrie Ann Brown was only fifteen years old when she vanished from a party attended by a bunch of local teenagers. Authorities believe she left the party on foot and of her own free will. But what happened after that is still a mystery even decades later. Kerry lived with her family in the town of Thompson, Manitoba. Her body was found on a Saturday afternoon by two women on horseback. Kerrie was murdered. Some of the evidence points to more than one killer. Join us in the Garage as we discuss this cold case from Canada.

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Brief Summary

The episode investigates the unsolved murder of Carrie Brown, discussing evidence, suspects, and the impact on the community.

Key points

The Investigation Begins. After Carrie Brown's body is found, foul play is suspected and an investigation starts.
Eyewitness Account. A witness claims to have seen two vehicles leaving the area where Carrie was found.
Patrick Sumner Named Suspect. Patrick Sumner becomes the prime suspect shortly after the murder.
The Preliminary Hearing. Patrick Sumner's preliminary hearing raises questions about the evidence against him.
DNA Breakthrough. In 1997, DNA testing reveals at least two males are responsible for the crime.
Community Response. The town of Thompson sends letters to residents seeking information about Carrie Brown's case.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This is sort of a teen hangout area.

Describing the location where Carrie was found.

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Tension

60/ 100Some tension

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