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[Music] crime after the body of 15-year-old Carrie Brown was found a brief press
release was issued ISU that read Thompson Detachment located the body of 15-year-old Carrie Brown of Thompson at
2: p.m. October 18th 1986 the body was located in a wooded area on the outskirts of Thompson Miss
Brown was reported missing by her parents on October 17th 1986 Foul Play is suspected and an investigation is
continuing okay yesterday Captain you had inquired about the location of where they found car's body at as we have
already covered car's friends all recall the town of Thompson to be safe and friendly it was nothing for girls to
walk at night not alone but no one questioned whether teens should be out at night it was a safe place in
1986 and Carrie as a rule didn't walk much of anywhere alone as we talked about in yesterday's trailer a Map was
published by the Canadian crime pedia that shows all of the points of interest in our case so we have Doug's house
where the party was which is right on the Northwestern edge of Thompson then we have Nicole's house which is nearby
and by most accounts I'm being told that this is about a two to three minute walk
from Doug's to Nicole's house the location where Carrie was found was not all that far away either but was
considered to be on the far outskirts of Town it was off of mystery Lake Road which was sort of a main drag within
Thompson but which turned into a two-lane Rural Road outside the city limits carry Brown was found about one
and a half kilometers north of the city the horse stables where Donna and Joanne
kept their horses was very nearby of course and Carrie was found on a dirt horse riding Trail Trail across mystery
Lake Road from Thompson Golf Club all of the Articles say that she was near the hydro line which is the Canadian power
company's electrical easement and down a deadend road it's a place one would almost certainly have to be local to
know this spot to know this area and one could only get there by car that's interesting to our story and of interest
to our investigation because there were fresh tire tracks that were visible at the scene one going back to what our
friend says Nicole leaves the party she sees footprints that lead down to some tire tracks well and the interesting
thing here too about this location where Carrie is eventually found is that from
my understanding this is kind of a like a local teen hangout spot so in fact that same evening the night that led up
to Carrie going missing and then we later find out she was killed that night that same evening Trevor and his friends
were actually debating where to go to meet up to drink beer and that was one of the spots that they considered
hanging out at near those horse stables so that really Echoes that idea that this is sort of a a teen hangout area
well and think about that car's leaving this party some older teens say maybe it's one maybe it's two
individuals maybe it's even more hey we're going to go you know just a block away or so and and have a couple drinks
there you want to join us and maybe she says yes again like I said it wasn't a huge party so we should be able to
almost identify every individual that was at the party or around the party but also we we we talked about teenagers
walking in and droves to the this party so is it po it should be very possible for us to identify every vehicle that
that was there that night exactly and just staying with the idea of honing in on this area where her body was
recovered from looking through my notes here it says that the spot the reason why teenagers would hang out there was
that this spot was close to town but it was also remote enough that there was little chance of being caught out there
or found by your parents or discovered by nosy adults so kids would hang out there and drink and party but as we know
somehow Carrie Brown 15 years old ended up there dead it's very shocking to me that there wasn't
more rumors swirling around in this case because it was starts off at you the events start off at a high school
party well we did discuss the rumor that Carrie was found nude that was a a and it's not correct we just we discussed
what she was wearing when her body was recovered that was just one of the rumors I'm guessing but that's the one
that was a strong enough rumor or repeated enough times that it made it all it made its way all the way to us
here over 30 years later regarding the investigation your exactly right Captain like this this is a rather large
investigation in part that you're interviewing so many teenagers and so many people that were
at that party that had come and go throughout the night people that she went to school with acquaintances things
like that the case File is is large is rather large in this because of the night in question now speaking of the
investigation in the beginning we have three lead investigators that will be working the case so it's it's three lead
investigators from the RCMP this was constables Pat Cahill Maggie Gregory and polygraph and
forensic examiner John toss I'm guessing because of a lot of the stuff that you're you are saying here captain
and how this crime and how The Disappearance is all described my guess would be that when this team was
assembled to head up the investigation the murder investigation that these three probably thought that this would
be a pretty open and shut case that they would be locking in on a suspect quickly
and find evidence to back that up well like we said there was a decent amount of kids at this party if you're law
enforcement you're thinking somebody heard something saw something or knows something you would think so and and
that's exactly where they start their investigation they're going to round up everybody that was at that party that
night they're going to question them they're going to go through car's home and car's bedroom they I guess she had
her own phone and answering machine in her room so They confiscated that so they could review the answering machine
and the phone they were looking into car's family her friends her acquaintances her teachers really all
the usual stuff that you would expect the thing here though is Carrie has no enemies nobody could think of anybody
that would want to do something terrible or to harm Carrie and then on top of that even with all these people that
they talk to there's no one that seems to have any clue as to what happened outside of Doug's house that night and
you were saying that Doug's mother was there but sometimes when there's these get togethers that other parents will
stop by just to keep the parent The Chaperone company do we know if any other parents
stopped by to hang out with Doug's mom because Doug's mom seemed to be upstairs the whole time maybe somebody would have
an adult would have seen something from my understanding and as it's reported his mother sounds like she was the only
adult well we say only adult but some of the kids themselves were adults because
there were 18yar olds at this this Gathering as well well let's dive into the information that we know about the
crime scene there's a good amount of information and a good amount of evidence that's going to be found at
this crime scene or the murder scene so the police they gathered up all these bloody branches which had sharp snapped
off ends that were used to beat Carrie to death so they have their murder weapon or weapons as it were in this
case they have blood all over the ground under Carrie's body as well so this led
to the logical conclusion that Carrie had been killed where she was found but the lack of mud on her clothing led to
another conclusion that she was almost certainly raped elsewhere perhaps in a vehicle now we know that the people that
found her body described this area as as a muddy area they're thinking that the lack of mud on her clothing means that
the sexual assault took place at a different location and that she was then brought to the spot where she was killed
with these branches and the that makes a lot of sense based off of the blood evidence but also the branch evidence as
well there were some other weird things found at this uh crime scene that could be or could not be of evidentiary value
here to our investigators so there was an air mattress and there was also a rubber Carm that were found on the muddy
ground this from the Thompson citizen website it says a vehicle got stuck in the mud there and a blue and red air
mattress and a black rubber floor mat were used to try and gain traction and extricate the vehicle the air mattress
had branches shoved under one end which police believed were used behind the stuck tires to increase traction of
course the finding of a rubber floor mat seems like it would be a crucial clue right that it might
help you help one to lock in on the makeing model of the car that was stuck in the mud yeah that's a good point and
that air mattress surely that could be connected to somebody definitely this is one of those things where you wish that
show these things to the public and ask the public for help if you don't know something ask anybody do do you know
this air mattress do you know somebody that had an air mattress like this previously but after the murder they no
longer have one well the other problem though too is like you said this is a local hangout for
teens and how many times have you been hanging out with one of your buddies and their dumbass gets stuck and you have to
push or again throw stuff under the tire to try to get traction this could have nothing to do with the actual crime
you're exactly right it's it's one of those situations where it may have nothing to do with the crime or it may
have everything to do with the crime I can see I could see someone going up there in the dark unaware that that it's
muddy and that they might get stuck so that's certainly a possibility but so but what a boner the the crime scene it
it has a decent amount of of possible EV evidence here right so we talked about the floor mat we talked about the air
mattress but police also lifted some distinct SHO Sho prints from that mud now photos have not been released
publicly again I don't know why we release things to the public and ask for help but the someone knows something
podcast reported that there is one very clear print that looks as though the wearer of the shoe was pushing a vehicle
and they say this is because the toe impression is very strong with no heel Mark they believe that it's an Adidas
basketball shoe Adidas the thing here that that I find of Interest too Capon when we review things like this and
statements like this that are coming from a crime scene I hear that that people of expert level would consider
this to give off the idea that somebody was pushing a vehicle whoever was wearing the shoe
might have been pushing a vehicle trying to get it unstuck doesn't it make you think that
probably two people were there like usually isn't somebody Manning the the steering wheel while somebody else is
pushing the vehicle from behind yeah and I don't know if you know this I couldn't
find this information we said there's several branches that look like weapons that they used to beat carrye do we know
how many branches there were I don't know how many branches they there were and unfortunately the RCMP has never
released photos of any of the items that we've discussed the The Mattress the rubber
floor mat or the shoe prints so and in some ways they won't even confirm whether they believe that these
items are related or not to the crime well and also local Tain hangout I know I'm going to keep hitting on this
point but if it was me and and my friends and we know what happened that night I wouldn't suspect one of my
friends to come forward even if we had nothing to do with the murders I I could see 16 17 18y old that's like I don't
want to come forward I don't want to be questioned you would probably be scared to death to go to law enforcement and
say that's my air mattress or that's my shoe print but we had nothing to do with
those murders so like I was saying before we have so many people at this party coming and going we should have a
witness and we and we do have a witness so what do they know what do they see yeah this is very important we have a
possible eyewitness here and police find a person who says that they saw two vehicles leaving that area the area
where car's body was found leaving that area that night they were were reportedly seen on the only road that
goes into that area so it makes sense that maybe they could be connected to this crime the witness says that these
vehicles he saw two vehicles and this would have been around midnight which is somewhat interesting based off of the
time of death as well as reported by police now it's totally unclear how reliable this sighting was because the
witness Shan Simmons claimed both cars had their lights off when he saw them so depending captain on how dark it was out
his identification of the vehicles and the one driver that he reports could be doubtful but anyway what he says is that
one car he saw was a 70s era green muscle car and the other vehicle was a white van and Simmons
passenger Larry leaper also saw the cars so we have a second individual saying that he saw
these vehicles as well apparently one of the witnesses described the muscle car as twoone and the other one says that it
was a solid color so we do have some discrepancy in their in their eyewitness statements but Simmons our main guy here
tells the police that he got a good look at the driver of the muscle car do we have his description of that Indie well
we might even have his name so this is really weird because police they they hear the description of the vehicle and
they're like yeah we know somebody in town that drives a car like that and it's a uh a guy named Patrick suar who
was 22 years old at the time now it's unclear to me Captain how suar was identified whether Simmons already knew
him or whether police showed him a photo array and he picked him out but Simmons told the CBC later that he's
saying that he was 90% sure that it was suar that he saw out there that night this Patrick suar guy so he's not
denying that he saw the eyewitness oh no no no sorry I got no he's he's saying that he's 90% sure that Patrick Sumer is
the same guy he saw out there yeah small town unique Car hard to hide but again you have to go back to the
idea that this is a hangout for local teens and is it possible that there was people hanging out the night before the
murder took place that have nothing to do with the crime well and this looks like they're going to solve the crime
Captain because they they go and find this Patrick suner guy within just days of the murder he's now their prime
suspect in the case they interview him he has no attorney present he swears up and down I have nothing to
do with car's murder I I'm unclear whether he even knew her at all there's nothing to suggest that he even knew who
Carrie was but they go ahead and they charge him anyway you know how these high school parties were you'd have some
15 16 17 I attended one yesterday well see you'd be in the group of people that I hated at the high
school party at yesterday's high school party I brought my motorcycle and I jumped a shark and um I'm now like a
local hero just so everybody knows well I always thought it was strange and not to give ourselves away but one of our
buddies grandma would go on vacation and we'd have parties at our house with without any parents knowing but I
remember sometimes there're being guys and girls in their early 20s at the party and I always thought
what kind of loser are you to show up you have nothing better to do than to go hang out with a bunch of high schoolers
at a high school party but this is going to bring us to a three-day trial well what it is is it's actually a
preliminary hearing because what they need to do is they're still in the process of even seeing if there's enough
evidence to take this thing to trial remember he's denying that he has any involvement at all and and they decide
to charge him anyway so now we got to get a judge to sort this out to see if it's going to go to trial so the
evidence that the RCMP gathered and presented against Patrick suner at this three-day
preliminary hearing was as follows a spot on the interior light of Summer's car appeared to be blood uh item number
two was blood stains were found on a t-shirt taken from a hamper in the summer home so his home was searched and
they obviously seized a few items TW 12 hairs consistent with car's hair were in
sumer's car on the seat and a witness testified that suer was washing his car the following day after the murder uh
this was a local body shop owner and a used car salesman Raleigh Becker who could see the dump so this is going to
sound very much like Steven Avery making a murderer suar lived at the town dump the the family's property was the the
town dump and this I'm sure he had a great High School experience living at the dump well and this used car salesman
said that you know I can see the property from my business uh where I work and and that is
how I saw him washing his vehicle the following day now by the time we get to this three-day preliminary hearing suar
has an attorney his attorney did a really good job making the court question whether there was any type of
sufficient evidentiary connection between suar and the actual killing let's kind of combat some of that
evidence if you will so the RCMP Constable John TOS assumed that the stains on his mirror on sumer's
vehicle's mirror were blood but they conduct test lab tests and it was determined that the stains were not
blood we're not sure what the the material actually was suar did say that he believed it was tomato juice it
doesn't really matter what it was because it wasn't blood strange it it be tomato juice I'd actually lean towards
maybe the idea that it'd be transmission fluid something that would be a darker red color the small blood stains on the
T-shirt oh this is I'm going to apologize in advance because it's going to get gross here for the next minute
the small blood stains on the T-shirt were the same type is carries but the shirt belonged to
sumer's father so they find this item when they're searching the home right and they're like oh look this appears to
be blood on a t-shirt we better confiscate this well very quickly they learn this shirt does not belong to our
suspect just somebody else that lives in the home his father yeah but if sometimes you take your father's clothes
and wear them right it's possible he would have access subar would have access to be wearing this shirt so here
becomes the problem for their evidence with this shirt yes the blood found on this t-shirt was the same blood type as
car's that doesn't mean that it is car's blood it's just the same blood type so it's possible that it was car's blood on
this shirt if that's if that's going to be the case that's a big problem for this Patrick subar suspect however keep
in mind he's saying that shirt belongs to my father and the blood stains the father says
were from zits on his dad's back that's the gross part that we got to oh that's uh delicious so the delicious treats
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shirt was also consistent with the father's blood with Patrick sumer's father's blood so so the story makes
sense the story makes sense it could be his his father's blood again it's the same blood type so then the the other
Pro but the other problem here is Patrick Sumer would have access to that shirt but his father would have access
to his son's car yes he would but he's not seen at they both become no which I understand but what I'm saying is as far
as the defense goes you can start bringing up the fact that you can make a case that it's not Patrick but the
father now what about these hair samples that they found in in Patrick's car as we know now in 1986 it was
thought of differently but as we know now hair analysis is not exact the science on it is not exact so all you
can do is is compare two hairs and go yeah they're similar you can't say that they came from the same person there's
unless you're extracting DNA from those hairs in comparing it that's the only way that you can determine that it came
from your the victim so the hairs that were found in his car they just simply cannot be 100% linked to Carrie now we
don't have the Smoking Gun yet against Patrick but we have evidence building we'll get more into that after this
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True Crime garage cheers cheers to you Colonel and then the item of Summer washing his car I mean that's one of
those things that I always kind of laugh at because some people will say that's evidence that somebody's trying to cover
up a crime others say look it's just a guy washing his car suer does give a statement at the hearing regarding
washing his car he says that there's a couple problems with the police's timeline here he says first of
all I'm a mechanic and I was in school all day on Friday so I was not washing my car on Friday the day after she was
killed I was washing my car on Saturday and I was washing my car on Saturday because I like to keep a clean car and
he also points out he goes he goes above and beyond here and points out he's like
look if I were trying to hide something I wouldn't be washing my car at a location or in a place where many people
could see me not just this one witness right well in in Patrick's defense here we said that it snowed so at some point
they're going to put salt down on the road and a lot of people want to make sure especially with these old type
muscle cards that you want to get that salt off your car so it doesn't rust out the long and short of it is that the
crown did not present any other evidence against suar that we know of we know that the judge dismissed the Crown's
case this takes place in February of 1987 saying that there the circumstantial evidence against subar
was misinterpreted by the RCMP and that the judge decided that there was actually insufficient evidence
to keep Patrick suar over for a trial now one thing that's difficult on our end here Captain as we try to report
this the best that we can to everyone the transcripts from this preliminary hearing have never been
released so we we can't say if there was any other evidence against or anything else
that really got him off completely because we just don't have that information has not been made public I
would have loved to be a fly on the wall during that trial and fly on the wall during the conversations between Patrick
and his lawyer but now that was all taking place in 87 like you said she was raped we should
be able to test the seamen the DNA of that se well so in the end Summoner spent four and a half months in
jail before this preliminary hearing took place waiting to see if he would be tried and of course after they determin
that there's going to be no trial he's released he says that he still suffers from PTSD to this day from being
wrongfully accused well that's a lot of time to spend in jail if he if he is innocent
that is a long time to spend in jail for a three-day preliminary hearing well let's jump to this because you asked a a
brilliant question here and and knowing the details of the attack and knowing uh
what the victim uh in in the crime scene and the crime itself you ask a great question do
we have any type of DNA so Sumer is released and really all that is is like hey you know there's still some people
that were suspicious of Sumer even after he's released and the judge says there's
not enough evidence here for a trial obviously but nothing really happens in the case
for a long period of time now the the police themselves they try to ramp up the Public's interest in the case and
and revisit media attention to the case on the five-year anniversary of the unsolved murder but nothing really
happens until almost 10 years or a little more than 10 years later this is in 1997 when just like the band one of
my favorite bands clutch says we got big news this is when the Winnipeg Sun reported on June 7th
1997 that evidence from the scene has been stored over the years a recent breakthrough with DNA testing has put
the case back on the front burner results from an Ottawa lab show at least two males are respons
responsible so there's DNA in the case we sit here all these years later and we still do not know the source it could
have been from blood could have been from seen it could have been from Material under car's Nails touch DNA
touch DNA on items found at the scene we just don't know where they got this DNA
from we can speculate I don't think we need to we know some details about the attack but the the key is here that they
have DNA this is what will solve this case or should solve the case soon and hopefully it's solving the case
soon now what we can report is that Patrick suner who spent four and a half months in jail awaiting
a trial for the murder that he was accused of for the murder of Carrie Brown and then later released that DNA
does not match Patrick suar so they've been able to test the DNA it doesn't match him but look again I feel bad for
him but he was identified by eyewitnesses he was at least in that area the night of the crime I guess I I
don't know how he was identified right like that's the thing that always kind of puzzled me with this part of the
story it's like well it turns out not to be him he could have been in the scene at the scene or near the scene but he
says he wasn't and so and then the DNA kind of backs up that he didn't well not kind of it does back up that he's not
the Killer and in this case of the two killers but so he has really no reason to lie for not being in the area as he
said so I've always kind of wondered like is he just like this dude that the police knew and they say to the witness
like yeah we think we know who owns that car and rather than showing them a photo
lineup dude they just show a photo and say was this the guy and he like yeah it looks like the guy it wouldn't be the
first time that that situation happened law enforcement does a lot of wrong things but sometimes that's because
they're human could you imagine going to this crime scene seeing this 15-year-old
girl beaten badly beaten and knowing that she was raped and then once you get the test results she's raped by multiple
people now I want to throw out something there for you is because of this again we don't know how many branches but it
is possible that there's more than two attackers just because we have cmen from two individuals this could have been a
situation where there was a gang of well again we don't know where the the source
of the DNA but that's what I'm saying is like just because we only have two sources doesn't mean that there was only
two people involved I would say the more people involved the more likely that you're going to have somebody speaking
or there's going to be more rumors or maybe more people that um didn't have a solid Alibi for the
night and we're Going on 30 some years and a little followup to the information that came out in 97 about them having
DNA in the case and that their words are results from an Ottawa lab show at least
two males are responsible so that that's their words right and we can only go off
of off of that statement but a little followup to that this comes from the Thompson Citizen newspaper and it says
crime scene DNA samples gathered in 1986 came from at least two different men d DNA science was in its infancy in 1986
so much of the DNA evidence was reexamined and reanalyzed in the 90s new DNA samples searching for
matches have been taken most voluntarily some pursuant to court orders what they're saying here Captain is that they
either got a court order or people volunt voluntarily let them take their DNA this was from more than 100 people
so they've compared this to more than 100 people and they've not found a match for either of the samples that were
found at our crime scene but you think they'd run this through the system to see if there's somebody in jail that
matches this DNA uh I I'm guessing that their laws are a little different than ours but you have to be hopeful that
this case will be solved and it'll be solved by technology well and whatever that they can do I think it's safe to
say that they have done I mean they they wouldn't be out there getting court orders for people to test and compare
DNA if they have not already checked into whatever databases that are available to them at the time and then
like here I know that with when they check codus here that cotus is is checked again in the state of Ohio every
30 days this is very similar to like the John B ramsy case in the sense that you
have a lead detective on that case that has a list of individuals that he thinks
are responsible and now they have a task force that is head headed up by John benet's brother half brother and like
you said some of the individuals are volunteering their DNA willingly and others they're getting it through court
order or tactics like oh the guy was smoking and we collected some of his cigarettes so I think this case will be
solved it'll just take time because you know with all your work with project porch light that these tests are not you
don't get they're it's not like a covid test you're not getting a result back in
within a minute correct and just because you get DNA doesn't mean that you're ever going to find a link to who it
belongs to I mean there are many many situations where a person or persons are not in any
database out there so well a lot of people talk and and I don't know if you know this but I was reading about just
some familiar DNA test that can range from you know $5,000 to $20,000 so it's these law enforcement
agencies have budgets they can only do so much one article that was really interesting to me here
and this is honing in on a what I would deem to be a drastic step that was taken
by the RCMP they mailed out letters to every resident that lives in Thompson as we
said that's like 12,000 people and they're asking for information information specifically about Carrie
Brown's case a Thompson Citizen newspaper article from 2011 address some of the rumors
surrounding what police were asking of the residents what information they were seeking it
states that several witnesses reported seeing Carrie getting into a van between 10:30 p.m. and 11 p.m. others say or
others believe that she took a taxi and then there's other people that say that she may have walked somewhere by herself
from the party at Doug's house so they're asking people hey residents of Thompson do you know anything did you
see a van did you see somebody in a van did you talk to somebody that has a story about a van and maybe Carrie or an
unnamed girl did you do you have you heard any stories about a taxi cab or did anybody see anybody walking from
that party that's I mean I cannot think of a situation or a crime taking place here where every resident every home is
mailed a letter asking for information but I'm hopeful again at least two individuals and one of those individuals
could be listening right now this case will get solved Carrie and her family will get
justice so sleep tight well like we said here Captain a lot of work has been done
in this case and it's a decades old case several decades old case and to back up
some of that statement we have a CBC article by Bryce Hoy that addressed the huge case File so a lot of work has been
done and it's reported that at one time it was considered to be the largest unsolved Cold Case file in
Manitoba so it's 45 Banker boxes that hold 14,000 or more documents in details about
2,500 Witnesses this would be people that they spoke to witness wites friends suspects uh and even investigators that
were involved over the years one thing that's key here with a with an investigation this large and a paper
trail this large and now we're talking about two perpetrators and I believe the words were at least two males so that as
you pointed out earlier could mean even a higher number than two but what's interesting here and almost bizarre
because you don't see the typically in these types of crimes is that whoever did this or the persons responsible for
this seem to have been remarkably good at keeping his mouth shut or their mouth shut yeah and with the evidence like you
said they have think about the FBI shows you've watched with those those Banker boxes what did you say 45 of them
correct that is a ton of information it's very likely that law enforcement has inter interviewed one if not all
parties responsible for this murder and then circling back to something that you
had talked about and touched on briefly there Captain we need to make sure we point out this there there was a very
crucial line in a news story that came out not terribly long ago about this case that said that the
RCMP have stated have said that they sent the DNA extracted from the crime scene evidence to a private lab in the
United States and that another lab is conducting the genetic genealogy portion of the process to build the family tree
of whoever the DNA belongs to or in this case it might be two family trees what's
weird is that is in a news article however we've talked about how tight lipped the police have been in this case
and Carrie Brown's still unsolved murder but the RCMP will not address this at all uh so we don't have a confirmation
from the RCMP that that is what is actually taking place it's not clear to me how the newspaper the uh Thompson
citizen came to this information that is what they have reported so I'm hoping and I
know you are hoping as well captain that this is accurate information yeah definitely it would be a huge step in
the right direction one thing that is unfortunate is that the town of Thompson has had a significant uptick in crime
since Carrie Brown was killed back in 1986 a 2021 news article on Thompson citizen.
net by a local journalism initiative reporter Dave Baxter he reported that quote over the last few decades the city
of Thompson has also become known for things far more Sinister crime violence and murder cases that have never been
solved the city has consistently ranked among the top communities in all of Canada for rates of violent crime per
capita the city's mayor Colleen smook who has lived in Thompson for 43 years said it bothers her and others in town
that the community has become known for less than desirable reasons but she also
says there is more to those statistics saying our crime numbers are because they are based on a community of
13,500 people while we are a hub for 55,000 people and she goes on to say when we look at the stats of actual
crimes committed most offenses are committed and happened to persons without a Thompson
address so that really is the Crux of this case in my opinion the consensus seems to be that car's case is different
from those committed by Drifters who passed through town most people in this case seem to think that Carrie likely
got into a car with probably somebody she trusted and probably more than one person and then she's found by the horse
stables in this out of thee way area by the horse stables known to locals her family
says that Carrie had a major phobia of bridges and would refused to cross them unless she was with someone who could
comfort her and I guess at one point in her lifetime this phobia of bridges was so bad that when her family car would
approach a bridge she would get down on get down low in the vehicle almost to like not
see going over the bridge and what's interesting here is someone had to drive her across a large Bridge on mystery
Lake Road over the burnt Wood River to get her to where her body was eventually found and right all of the information
or the evidence that we're seeing at that crime scene is telling us that she very likely was killed where she was
found it also makes you wonder was car's murder uptick in this community because
one the trauma that everybody would have felt growing up even if you weren't at that party that night you would have
known somebody that was affected Carrie's not the only victim here her family her friends her
classmates so you have a type of trauma that goes through the community but also you have a case that's not solved
right so does that open up Pandora's Box for all the Freaks and Weirdos that go hey I could get away with this too well
and given the statements by the mayor and the uptick and crime and and pointing out that a lot of that crime is
coming from them being a hub rather than its actual citizens I you know that still it Still Remains a a possibility
that Carrie was the victim of a violent stranger on Stranger abduction someone driving by happen to see her or she's
out walking a couple blocks to her friend's house on her own and she's thrown into a vehicle
and and and I think you could look at this and argue both arguments pretty easily here that it was it had to be a
local had to be somebody that knew her that's why she got in the car that's why she was found where she was found but
then at the same time you can say well they've already tested the DNA against over 100 people that their names were in
that case File and we've not found a match yet so maybe it was some kind of random crime and a stranger on Stranger
crime and as we know as we always see those are very hard to solve right now the RCMP will not
confirm that they are using forensic genealogy in this case in Carrie Brown's case but let's all hope that they are
because after 36 years it seems likely that that is the only way that this case will get
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Kerrie Ann Brown was only fifteen years old when she vanished from a party attended by a bunch of local teenagers. Authorities believe she left the party on foot and of her own free will. But what happened after that is still a mystery even decades later. Kerry lived with her family in the town of Thompson, Manitoba. Her body was found on a Saturday afternoon by two women on horseback. Kerrie was murdered. Some of the evidence points to more than one killer. Join us in the Garage as we discuss this cold case from Canada.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the 1986 murder of Carrie Brown, investigation details, and the suspects involved, including Patrick Suar.

Key points

Carrie Brown's Body Found. The body of 15-year-old Carrie Brown was discovered in a wooded area, raising suspicions of foul play.
Eyewitness Account. A witness claims to have seen two vehicles leaving the area where Carrie was found, potentially linking them to the crime.
Preliminary Hearing Insights. The preliminary hearing revealed significant evidence, but doubts lingered about its validity.
DNA Breakthrough. In 1997, DNA evidence reignited interest in the unsolved murder case.
Community Outreach. The RCMP mailed letters to residents seeking information about Carrie Brown's case.
The DNA Mystery. The RCMP is tight-lipped about DNA evidence, raising questions about the investigation.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This is a local teen hangout area.

Discussion about the location where Carrie was found.

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Tension

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