Kelsie Schelling /// Part 2 /// Episode: 84 | Forensic Files

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crime. [Music] This is episode two of the Kelsey Shelling case. Kelsey Shelling was 21
years old and 8 weeks pregnant when she vanished on February 4th, 2013. She had her first doctor's visit of the
pregnancy on that day and she sent out pictures of the ultrasound that she received during that visit to her mother
and to her boyfriend. Well, after the trip to the doctors and after a shift at work, Kelsey drove about 2 hours to
Pueblo, Colorado to visit her boyfriend, the father of her child, >> Dante Lucas.
>> Kelsey's family then will report her missing to law enforcement. And that's when law enforcement reach out to Dante
Lucas and they have a sit down and Dante does not deny seeing her that night. He,
you know, there's no question that he saw her that night. >> Yeah. And then 10 days later, law
enforcement are going to find Kelsey's car. >> And this is where we start to see that
there's quite a bit of movement with Kelsey's vehicle that does not completely align with Dante's story.
>> Yeah, we start seeing a lot of discrepancy in his accounts >> and this will bring further into
question the location of Kelsey shelling. This makes it a lot different than a normal missing person case. She's
2 hours away from her home. She is now they find her car. We would assume that if she, you know, went missing on her
own that we wouldn't find her vehicle. And so now they have to start viewing this not just as a missing person case,
but a possible homicide. Yeah. This is where they start to suspect foul play is involved. And when they bring Dante in
for questioning, his story starts to fall apart. At this point, he lawyers up and then he shuts down and the case
starts to go cold. >> Yeah, the case goes cold. But it seems like with a lot of missing person cases,
me being, you know, as far as true crime goes, I think one of my favorite, if there was a category, right, my favorite
category of true crime would probably be missing person. Mhm. >> And I think with a lot of cases, like if
you look at if you study the Johnny Gosh case or if you study like Mara Murray >> with missing person cases, there always
seems to be some weirdness and this case. Yeah. The case starts going cold, but the weirdness just begins.
>> Yeah. This starts with a Facebook message. Okay. This is a direct message to uh Kelsey's mother, Laura. And this
comes from a woman who says her name is Jenna Mlan. this woman, she's asking to remain anonymous. So, we we must assume
this is a fake name that she's giving. Uh but she says that she needs to remain anonymous because her own personal life
is in danger. Uh this is when Jenna Mlan then decides to have a man take over the
communication with Kel Kelsey's mother, Laura. >> It makes you wonder, is this a lead or
is this just some whackadoo? Well, he sends Laura a message and this message says, "Ma'am, please, your daughter is
not dead. She will be home alive." This man then goes on to tell Laura that Dante had hired a man to kill Kelsey.
>> And then this man decided that he didn't want to go through with it. And instead
of killing Kelsey, he sold her into sex slavery. He says that the man had told Dante that he did in fact carry out the
hit, that he did in fact kill Kelsey. >> But what he did was he dug a fake grave,
showed it to Dante. >> And you know, I know this show is already, you know, it's already rated E
for good reason, but uh this next part is a little difficult. Um, he also says that he the man told Dante that an
abortion was performed on Kelsey before she was killed and that he the man had showed a video of this
>> abortion that was not obviously not >> willingly participated in by Kelsey. >> I was not ready for that.
>> Yeah, I really wasn't ready to to say that. >> So, let me just get my head around this
story so far. We have a lady that contacts Kelsey's mother. >> Yes. >> Through Facebook because, you know,
that's the best way to be personal these days, right? >> But anyways, well, they do have the help
Kelsey website and then they the help Kelsey help find Kelsey group on uh Facebook. So, probably that's why this
happened. So, a lady contacts her. >> Mhm. >> And then a guy takes over the conversation. She wants
to stay anonymous, >> right? And this guy is coming forward not saying that he put Kelsey into sex
trafficking, >> right? >> But that he heard from another guy. >> Yeah. He he knows of this situation. He
knows this man that was hired by Dante to kill her. >> And and and here's what's seems a little
fishy to me about the story. But then he says the guy couldn't kill Kelsey. So what they did was they performed a
unwilling abortion on her. >> Well, he says he chose to sell her into sex slavery rather than to to kill her.
>> Right. >> Um and maybe this was just a money thing. But but >> Right. Right. So you get paid from
Dante, which has no money that comes from no money, pays him to kill this girl, and then he then doubles up by,
oh, I'm not going to kill her. I'm actually going to sell her into sex trafficking.
>> Yeah. And then Dante thinks that Kelsey's actually been killed because he's shown that video and he's shown a
fake grave that this this man had dug. >> Right. So then why is this guy that didn't actually do the crime, why is he
reaching out to Kelsey's parents? >> Well, he's saying that he knows where Kelsey is located. Um that I believe he
says that she had been sold into slavery and and shipped to like the East Coast.
Mhm. >> And he says he knows where she's being kept and that at some point he might be
able to help free her and return her home. Um but of course to do this he's going to need money to do so.
>> Uh of course. >> Yes. The Mr. Good Samaritan coming forth here. Um he wants $50,000.
>> Oh, that's it. >> To execute this plan and bring Kelsey home. Uh he wants $25,000 of that
upfront. Um, and he's he's saying that this money should be delivered to a man in Vancouver, Washington at a McDonald's
restaurant of all all places. >> Well, I'd like to deliver a giant punch to this guy's fat forehead.
>> Well, I'll tell you what. This is another reason why I like Kelsey's family so much. They've worked so hard
on this investigation, and when they receive this new information, th this doesn't stumble them one bit. This this
shows their strength and how they carry on. Yeah, >> they obviously this is a this is a hoax,
right? This this it it looks if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's
probably a duck. >> So, what they're told >> or a rhinoceros, >> what the information that they're given
is that they are to meet at at this McDonald's restaurant in Vancouver, Washington on a specific date and
specific time. And the person they're going to be looking for is a name a man named Marcus. He's an African-American
man. and he will be there and he will be wearing a red ball cap. >> Um, so what Kelsey's family does is they
get a news group involved in the situation. They actually reached out to the Vancouver Police Department first to
kind of set up a sting, right? >> For whatever reason that fell through and I believe that that was on
Vancouver's end, not on Kelsey's family's end that it had fallen through. So, they get reach out to this news
organization and the news organization sets up shop at this McDonald's restaurant on that date at that time.
And sure enough, man, there is an African-American man there >> wearing a red ball cap,
>> right? >> He's sitting at a at a booth by himself. He doesn't booth. >> He doesn't order anything.
>> And this is when he's approached and he's starting to be questioned. And >> what time is this at again?
>> It look it looked to me to be daytime. I don't know what time it was >> cuz I mean if this guy has the
capability of ordering a Mc Griddle and he doesn't lock him up. >> Well, well, the thing here is this is
where it gets even a little more strange is the guy doesn't even fully deny the whole thing, right? He he tells I don't
think he's fully aware that he's being questioned by a news group, >> right? >> I think that they have hidden cameras or
whatever. So, he says that they need to go out to the parking lot. this, I guess, is where he planned the exchange
of money would take place. And once they're out there, he starts getting grilled. You know, um we we have a news
guy come out of out of out of the bushes and start saying, you know, who are you?
Why are you doing this? Where's Kelsey? What do you know? Why are you trying to rip off this family for $50,000?
And I think before he could get all of that out, you know, the man explains it, you know, why are you here? And this guy
that's, let's say, quote unquote named Marcus, he says, "Well, I'm here to pick up some money." Well, who are you here
to pick up the money from? I don't know. I was just told to be here to pick up some money, right?
>> Do you know how much money you're here to pick up? Uh, no, not exactly. Uh, why
are you here to pick up money? Do you have a girl? You know, and he and and he says something like he's been told that
there was some exchange that happened at another time in another place, >> right? and that he was sent by an
unknown person to go to this McDonald's and pick up the money for this person and take it back to this person. I think
where this ends up leading that they don't end up being able to trace this to another individual
>> and this person involved the the man named Marcus at the McDonald's. He does seem a little clueless. It might just be
all a put on. Who knows? But >> Right. Right. But they don't really seem to have much to charge him with. They do
investigate this a bit. >> Yeah. But logically speaking, right, is this guy involved? I probably not. It's
not that hard to if if you were going to transfer a large sum of money or pick up
a large sum of money. >> It wouldn't be that hard to go, I'm going to I'm going to pay my buddy
Marcus or pay this guy, a friend of a friend of a friend or even on Craigslist. Hey, I just need you to pick
up this money or pick up this package. I'm not even going to tell you what it is and I'll pay you a hundred bucks.
>> Where the investigation goes is they trace some emails that was sent to this guy that went to pick up the money.
>> Mhm. >> And they trace the emails back to Russia at some point, which which does really
kind of scare everybody because then they're thinking, well, maybe there is some truth to this sex slave uh portion
of the investigation that we're talking about. Um, what I think we have here is probably somebody that some some real
dirt that decides, I'm going to extort money from a family that's hurting and I'm going to get make a few bucks off of
this and he probably it's probably somebody in the States that has figured out a way to to send these emails around
and then it then it looks like it's coming from Russia, >> right? Basically, what you're doing is
you're repointing repointing your IP address. >> Correct. So it seems like it's coming
from Russia, but it's actually, you know, coming from somewhere in Indiana. >> So some very scary information that that
really is just a big speed bump in this case and doesn't really go anywhere. But
it kind of goes back to what you and I have talked about in the Beverly Pototts disappearance where you have a guy that
shows up and he's demanding a ransom. And you know, in these situations, Captain, you and I agree 100%. If you
get in the middle of some kind of investigation, you try to extort money from a family that is in need, that a
family that is hurting, that is looking for a loved one, right? >> You the charges that are that should be
brought up against you should not only be for extortion, but a certain higher level of extortion because you're
involved in a missing person's case or or a you know, an an unsolved death. And I don't think yesterday we're as clear
or as champions as we normally are for Kelsey's family. I mean, I think they've done an exceptional job. And I think,
you know, follow every lead, you know, look for every answer you can. And oh, by the way, when the cops aren't doing
what you think they're supposed to do, hey, you know, call them out on that, too. That takes a strong family, which
is led by her mother, a very strong uh woman. That's great. and that's why she was trying to get CBI to take over this
investigation. That's all taking place late last year. Another thing that we see going on at the same time is that
another individual gets involved in the investigation and this is psychic detective Troy Griffin. And we've had
the opportunity to discuss a few cases with him. And we wanted to play a little bit of that conversation for you today
regarding Kelsey's case. [Music] Troy, you are a psychic detective and you've been involved in the Kelsey
Shelling investigation. Uh, have you met with her family? >> Okay, so I have. I've been working with
her mother, Laura, and um, I got involved in late October of last year, I think it was. Um and Laura was referred
to me from a um advocate through through another county. So um that was in late October. I met with Laura for about 3
hours. Um I was able to validate stuff on Kelsey. Uh you know, people don't know. And so um I've been with Laura a
couple times. Um the first time to PBLO was in November. Maybe it was September, I don't know,
October, November, and she took me to Dante Lucas's house, grandmother's house, and just gave me a tour of PBLO
and things that she thought I should see. Um, the second time I went to PBLO, um, I actually was being interviewed by
uh ABC News Night Line and I took them with me um down to PBLO uh because Laura had a lead on a county road down there.
she wanted to check out. And so what I have seen in my vision, um I know what I'm looking for. I have an idea where
it's at. Uh I have to make time to get back down there when it's not really winterish and um and see if I'm pick if
I if I can find the spot I'm picking up. >> Can you share with us some of those details that are not known about the
case? >> Well, it's pretty much in the open as far as what I've validated. You know,
the answer, the short answer is no. Um because I work under confidentiality agreements and and so pretty much
Kelsey's case is pretty much out in the open. It's a matter of um the police department in PBLO mishandled evidence,
you know, did a lot of things incorrectly, which is normal. There's been the politics involved. There's been
the change of personnel. After 4 years of not letting it go, they finally have let it go. And so now it's
a new set of eyes to retrace everything and see what they can find. >> So there's something that you're going
to go look for and I imagine after 4 years we are talking about remains. >> Correct. So on Kelsey's case, um I've
never been to PBLO and there's a big reservoir down there, but what I saw in my vision is like white chalky stone and
water and I felt like there's a lot of pollen around bushes. When I described what I'm looking for and went to Google
Earth, a place by PBLO and PBLO reservoir matches what I'm looking for. And the white chalky stone they call
shell. Now, the area that I'm looking at is um has a name contribute to a bush that puts out a lot of pollen. That
pollen was also found on her car. So, the couple times I've been there, I've really gone down to support Laura
and I haven't had time to get into the reservoir because of winter to look where I want to look.
>> When you're having these visions, are you seeing just the remains or do you see the attack and the events as they
unfold? >> I do see the events. So, in Kelsey's case, um I did see the events of what
happened and, you know, discuss them. So, I just take the notes on that and sometimes my work is just validating
what the police already know. >> So, was this something that was planned? Was her murder planned or was this a
crime of passion? >> Uh, to me it was um not really a crime of passion, but it was a actual um I
think an act of rage. You know, he his mom thought he was going to be a basketball star. Take her out of
poverty. Be the hero. A girlfriend gets pregnant. Mom says take care of it. Her mom is violent herself who'd just been
arrested for domestic violence from running from a warrant. You know, I think that it was him wanting Kelsey not
to have the baby and she was absolutely going to have the baby. So, I think it was an act of rage.
>> So, this is not necessarily planned, but more of an act of rage. Maybe some hatred that had been building over time.
>> I believe it came from mom. Mom, you know, mom pushing him. Well, what is Dante's mother's involvement in this
whole thing? We know that she picked him up from the Walmart. Is she simply involved after the fact or was she
involved in the murder as well? >> Sarah had a big role in this. And you think about Dante, he's he's not too
highly intelligent. It's an act of rage. >> Um, you know, he's what, 20 years old.
He doesn't really know people that help him out in a situation like that, but you know, mom does.
[Music] It's interesting here, Captain, that Troy says he makes the statement that
Dante's mother had a big role in this. >> Mhm. And what I find interesting about
that is if he is right, this kind of goes along with an unspoken theory that that I kind of came up with, not my own
theory, but when I was reviewing the lawsuit, >> well, it's something you came across.
Yeah. >> Not something that you invented. Yeah. when reviewing the lawsuit that was
filed against Dante's family >> and what was her possible involvement because what we see in this document, it
leads one to believe after reading it that not only do we have a situation where Dante was communicating a lot with
Kelsey trying to get her down to PBLO. >> Mhm. But that the mother may have been
emailing or texting Kelsey as well, Dante's mother, >> which which is anytime that you have 20
year olds and a relationship and then the mother is getting involved on either side, that that is a direct sign that
this is not a healthy relationship. Mhm. And the thing that's even more sinister
about these communications that they're talking about in this lawsuit >> is that these communications would have
been taking place before the doctor's visit. Meaning that she has at least one, if not two members of the Dante
Lucas family trying to get her to PBLO before that doctor's appointment. And why is that important, we ask? Because
that is the first confirmation, medical confirmation that she's pregnant. I don't want to misspe because you know I
have no experience of this. I don't have any children myself. I'm obviously not a
female that you know of. >> You're sterile. >> I think it's clear that Kelsey was
experienced some changes >> and and and I think women probably way more than men know their bodies
>> and and what's going on with them biologically. And I think she knew before she even had to take a test.
>> And then I think at probably some point she probably did take a test. >> Yeah. And now, so then she's going,
"Okay, I have all these feelings. I get this gut feeling. >> Uh I I'm experiencing some changes. You
know, probably, you know, she was late. >> Uh and then then she takes a test, so probably on
her own." And that's when the mother starts contacting her. >> Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like she had taken
according to Kelsey's mother, she had taken a couple of these home pregnancy tests, right?
>> And you know, now she's reaching out to Dante and he's aware of the situation.
Now, they're aware that she's going to go to the doctor's office to get confirmation of such.
>> I've had a lot of female friends talk to me about this same scenario where when
they were younger and they had a boyfriend that they end up getting pregnant and they did a home test and
then you have to go to the doctor to get the confirmation. But in that process that the boyfriend's mother contacted
them >> and basically because the boyfriend's mother thought this this baby coming
into their lives was going to ruin their son's life >> and maybe possibly hinder this girl's
life that they start advocating for abortion. >> Right. >> And I think it's very clear in this
situation that's what was happening. And I think it's very clear that that was the motive.
>> And I think you're exactly right. This is what is part of that unspoken theory
that the family is presenting in this lawsuit. So, let's get back into what Troy has to say.
[Music] >> Troy, do you believe that Kelsey's remains were transferred in her own
vehicle? >> You know, I don't think they were. I think Kelsey's remains were transferred
in another vehicle. But there was that pollen on her car. >> Again, you know, I don't solve crimes,
which I make very clear. I can only tell you what I see, feel, think, and sometimes it's just a validation. So, we
know that there's pollen on her car. We know that the dust that was on her car matches that white shell stuff. So,
these are things that we do know. >> So, in regards to the remains, you are seeing a location that involves water.
So, are they in water or are they around water? You know, that's a tough one. Um,
you know, water. Yes. You know, it's it's you hope she's wasn't in water, but there's a high probability. You know,
one of the things that I had discussed with Laura when I first met is that I felt like where Kelsey is is where they
fish. Does this have anything to do with the situation where there was this man that came forward, he was fishing, he
finds what he believes to be human remains, but he delays reporting this. Is is this a different location?
>> Yeah. So, the the thing that you're talking about he reported is a pond that is directly Well, they call it a lake,
but um directly across from the hospital where her car was found. Um you know, common sense tells you that, you know,
you have a hospital that's very busy. It's the hospital's parking lot across the street. He's walked around, fished
around, you know, it's kind of a center of town type thing. Yeah. Don't you think that's a little bit too close and
too right? >> You know, mom's not that stupid. >> What about the apartment that his mother
was living in and in the stain that was reported? >> Yeah, they were living living in a
lowinccome property. So, what I read, what I've heard is that um Sarah never paid the rent on time. In February, when
Kelsey went missing, the rent started to show up on time for the next few months.
landlord got a call or the owner of the property got a call because electric was
shut off and went over there to find an absolutely disgusting pigsty. They pulled the carpet up in the
bedroom and there was a pull blood pool stain underneath the carpet. >> And just to be clear, this is Dante's
bedroom or Sarah's bedroom. >> Well, Dante's blood is time between his grandmother's house and this house. And
I don't know if the boys shared a room. So it would be Yeah. Obviously his room.
>> So from the visions you're seeing, she was killed in that apartment. >> Yes. In that house. Yes.
>> And could you tell how long between the murder and when she was disposed of? How
long was she in that property? >> No, that that I don't know. Um that part I don't see.
>> Did you have any visions on whether this was strangulation or is this blunt force
trauma? >> That could have been part of it. strangulation, blunt force, uh possibly
on the ground. You know, Kelsey fought back. So, you know, my my my visions are that she probably uh strangulation fell
to the floor fighting back. He probably, you know, her head on the floor. >> Can you give us any more information on
where her remains might be found? >> No, you know, as far as the exact location, you know, I keep that to
myself. Um, but you know, I'm going to continue as long as it takes to try to locate the remains if possible. You
know, the the sad part of cases like this is sometimes you'll never find them. [Music]
Want to thank Troy for taking the time to talk about the case with us. Uh the thing here is Captain, you know, some
people it's a lovehate relationship with these psychic detectives, right? The people that get involved in these
investigations. >> Yeah. And I I always find it interesting and like I said, as far as categories go
of true crime, I'm definitely really interested in missing person cases. And then a lot of missing person cases while
you're doing your internet research, right? you'll you'll come across, you know, maybe it's a YouTube video or
maybe it's a website that has a psychic reading about the missing person. >> Yeah. And the thing here is, Captain,
I'm by having this conversation doesn't mean that I put a whole lot of weight into it or does not mean it doesn't mean
that I believe in psychics. Here's the thing. My opinion of investigations is that I'm happy to sit down and talk with
anybody. I it because there's no different difference between somebody having a vision or something coming to
them than a gut feeling I might have on a case. >> Right. And I kind of like the fact that
Troy goes by psychic detective because he's not purely going off of just visions that he's having. He's letting
those visions help him, but he's actually doing some research himself. >> Yeah. He's going to the locations and
he's looking for certain things. The other thing I like here about his his discussion is, you know, we were talking
about the remains and he's saying that no, I don't believe it was her vehicle used. And I bring up that, but what
about that pollen that we were talking about? >> So, there's pollen that was found on her
car, >> right? >> And so, a lot of law enforcement believe that because there was pollen found on
her car. It's and there was some uh kind of DNA that was found in her trunk that
that's in the lawsuit and they're stating the family stating that this DNA or this remains or whatever that was in
the trunk were never tested. >> It was they found a substance that was uh that was thought to be dried bodily
fluids. >> Right. So, it seems like law enforcement is under the belief that because of the
pollen, because of this fluid, that her car was used to dump her body. >> Right. Right. And and I question him on
that. And that's where I like that he comes back and he says, "Look, I'm I don't claim to solve anything. It's just
I have these visions. These are the things I see and I don't know what they mean."
>> And you and Troy talked about a fisherman possibly finding some kind of human remains. Uh, can you dive into
that a little more? >> Yeah. So, this is a story that came out and and to be honest with you here,
there's not a whole lot backing this story because the the situation is this that there was a man that was out
fishing in what I called a pond and Troya correct me and said it was a lake. It's it's a rather small body of water.
>> Well, no, I think what he was saying was it it is a pond, but most people in that
area call it a lake. >> Yeah. And so this man was out fishing and he believes that while he was
fishing he saw what appeared to be either a rib cage or a human skull. Maybe both. It's a little unclear to me.
The thing here is though that he does fail to report it right away. Right. >> And it's a little unclear as to how long
he waited to report it. Was it 24 hours or was it a week? I cannot say. But what
happened was he say stating that he is a person that has once had some gang affiliations. He's he's had some run-ins
with the law and he kind of he got scared when he saw this. He was afraid to report it because he thought they
would think he was involved in whomever, >> you know. Right. Right. Right. >> And and on top of that, he's probably
not 100% certain as to what he exactly saw. And it was through talking with uh people close to him that they convinced
him to finally go to the police. And of course, because some time has elapsed since then, they were unable to confirm
what he thought he had saw. >> Yeah. So, it's kind of weird because it seems like maybe it's just some
speculation. Doesn't seem like I who knows if this is factual. The other piece of speculation is this report by
the landlord that there was a stain in Dante's mother's house. >> Yeah. So, the situation is this. I I
thought clearly you can hear from the conversation I thought it was an apartment but it but it's a house that
was u in question here. Uh the the family moved out. Dante's family moves out of this house after some period of
time >> and the landlord is unaware that there was a missing woman at the time and that
furthermore that the missing woman had a connection to the family living at his property. And it's kind of hard to
believe because in this small town PBLO, it seems like this was big news that Kelsey's picture was all over uh the
town that that it it didn't be, you know, it became a mission of theirs to kind of help figure out what happened.
>> Right. Well, I don't think that the landlord did anything wrong here. I think it truly may have just been that
he was ignorant to the situation because as as we said, Dante lived on and off. He shared time between his grandmother's
house and his mother's house. He may have known Dante's mother, but didn't realize who Dante was that he's seeing
on the news. Um, so the situation is this. After the family moves out, you know, the landlord has to do his normal
cleanup. You know, you fix a few things, you clean, you paint. Sometimes you have
to replace the carpeting as well. Well, this was necessary on this situation because it sounds to me like the place
looked like a bunch of animals live there, right? And so he's in there replacing carpeting and it was
underneath the carpeting once they pulled up the carpeting that that a blood stain is found. And it I believe
it was found like in the padding. So So what happens here is this landlord actually does reach out to law
enforcement. He says, "Hey, I rented prop property, right? >> I'm cleaning it out. I found something
that was strange. I don't know what I'm seeing here. Do you want to come and take a look at it?" The police said,
"No, it's probably nothing." He kept he you know he replaces the carpet and he keeps the debris
>> right >> for a little bit of time and he contacts them again and says again I found this
stuff I'm not going to hang on to it forever do you would you like me to drive it down to you so you can take a
look at it and they said no you should probably just get rid of it it's probably not a big deal about it so he
he only gets rid of this this possible evidence because the police tell him to do so
>> right and okay So, if we believe his story, right? >> Mhm. >> This is another example of law
enforcement just not doing their job in this case >> where it's just like you got this. I
mean, all they had to do was just go, "Well, who did you you know, who did you rent this house to?"
>> Mhm. >> And then he goes, "Well, you know, I I rented it to Sarah." >> Sarah Lucas.
>> Right. Sarah Lucas. Dante's mother. And they wouldn't know that it was Dante's
mother, but they would just look up Sarah Lucas and go, "Oh, by the way, we have this missing person and her son is
a possible suspect in this." >> Yeah. >> You know, uh he cuz he had her car uh without the girl and he used her debit
card and we had charges that we're trying to bring on to him. So, you would think at this point they'd go, "Okay,
this is something we definitely want to see." >> It's crazy because this is the kind of
thing that you think that they would love. I mean, you're going to get handed evidence on a silver platter. You didn't
even have to go to the ne necessity of getting a warrant to achieve this evidence. The guy offered to drive it to
you. I mean, I mean, we already know you're being lazy about this investigation.
>> Well, I think what he should have done, right, what this law what this landlord
should have done is he said, "Not only am I going to get in my car and I'm going to drive it to you,
>> Mhm. I'm going to bag it and I'm going to process this myself and then I'm going to pay for it.
>> Yeah. Because the the the here here I mean it doesn't take it doesn't take um
any brilliant mind to put this together. Yeah. The text messages lead Kelsey to Dante. All right. That puts her roughly
near or in the home of Dante's mother. Then you find a blood stain that leads to evidence of fl foul play being
involved, right? >> And then you have evidence she's she's disappeared, right? >> We need to find her.
>> And by finding her car, it points to evidence that she's not just missing, but that more foul play.
>> More foul play. And you failed to you failed to test that evidence as well. >> Right. Then then when we do have the
car, the car is wiped clean, but we have a handprint. And then we also have a possible, you know, body uh body fluid
in the trunk. More evidence of foul play. >> And on top of that, we have video footage of of Dante returning the car.
We have video footage of the mother and grandmother picking him up behind the Walmart after he drops off the car.
Video footage of an unidentified man moving the car. Now, this this is your case. This is your open andsh shut case.
And not only does it get you one conviction, but probably three others as well. Well, and I'm I'm going to play a
little devil's advocate here, though, >> okay? >> Because I mean, we're harping pretty
hard on law enforcement. The problem with that, though, is it is an open case. >> Mhm.
>> So, what are they telling us or what what are they not telling us that they do know,
>> right? There could be even more, >> right? They could they could have more evidence that
>> additional stuff, >> right? And so I mean it's yes I think if this guy's story it's true they dropped
the ball but at the same time either way if this guy's story is true that's more
evidence why wouldn't you collect it and process it >> you know is beyond me. >> Well and a reminder too that the reward
money has been doubled for the month of February 2017 right >> um this could spark some people to talk
to come forward. Who knows we might get lucky on that avenue. The thing here is though, we also have a couple of
different of new theories involved in this case. We just talked about all of the movement of the vehicle, right?
>> Well, we just kind of went on a rampage. >> Yeah, this vehicle's been moved around
quite a bit. And one theory that has come up very recently, and this is interesting here because this might
bring a whole another suspect into this crime. And I don't mean somebody that would clear Dante or Dante's family
members of wrongdoing. I mean, there might be some other person we don't even know about that was involved in this
thing. So, the the theory goes like this. Okay. Now, remember, we have a situation where the unidentified man, he
comes and he picks up the the vehicle, Kelsey's vehicle from the Walmart, >> the Chevy Cruise, the black Chevy Cruise
>> that was dropped off by Dante >> the day before. >> Well, this unidentified man, he walks
from what appears to be the back of the Walmart parking lot, right, >> to the front of the Walmart parking lot.
He gets in the vehicle and he drives off. >> And and I find that a little suspicious
just in the fact that we do know that when Dante dropped off the car or what we believe is Dante dropped off the car,
where was his mother >> in the behind the Walmart? >> Right. Right. >> And so and here's
>> so if she is the mastermind, right? Or not maybe the mastermind, but was somebody pushing or that she's obviously
connected to this. So now that we have we have Dante, we have Dante's mom, we have Dante's possibly his grandma
because she was in the car when they picked him up. >> And now we have this other man that
drops off the car and heads to the back of the Walmart. >> Well, he this man came from the back of
the Walmart to pick up the car. So this man moves the car from the Walmart to the hospital parking lot where it's
later found. Mhm. Well, what they did not figure out in this videotape footage that they've had of this situation until
very recently is that there's another car in that Walmart parking lot that does some strange movements.
>> Okay. >> And what these movements are is this car, it's a it's a white vehicle. And if
you go to Kelsey's website, uh that is helpfindelie.com, you can find video footage of this
there. And I and I recommend everybody do so. The thing here is this white vehicle, it takes almost an identical
path that this unidentified man takes from the back of the Walmart to the front of the Walmart where the where
Kelsey's car is positioned. >> Right. >> Then what happens is this white car parks and somebody gets out and looks to
see if almost looks to see if Kelsey's car was moved and and had drove away. >> Okay.
>> And then gets back in the car and drives off. So, >> so the theory is that >> the person doesn't go in the store,
doesn't do anything other than pull into a parking spot, sit there for a few minutes, take a look around, and then
leave. >> Right. So, so the theory is that this guy comes from the back of the Walmart
from somewhere. >> He We know that this is the individual that moves Kelsey's car to the hospital.
Mhm. >> And so the the idea really is that and and this is this is actually pretty
genius because sometimes, you know, take the Brian Schaeer case for example, we have surveillance footage anytime and
this is going to happen more and more and more with cases and technology advancing. We're going to have more and
more cases that involve surveillance cameras. Oh yeah. >> And sometimes it's not it's not the main
subject of the video that's the most important. you know, we can't identify this guy, but we know that this is the
guy that moved the car. But by watching it over and over, then you realize that this other car probably had something to
do with this guy. And so this car possibly is what drove the guy to Walmart in the first place, drops him
off, he walks from the back to the front. This car follows him around. Once the car is gone,
>> this person then drives to the hospital and picks this guy up. >> Yeah. Because once you drop off the car
at the hospital, you got to get back home. >> Yeah. And this is where I think we might
see a huge break in the case. This is a great theory because I tell you why, with the FBI and CBI taking over, they
will do the due diligence and try to enhance that tape. Maybe you can pull a plate number off of that that videape.
And if you get somebody in in a closed room and ask them the tough questions, they start to squirm and they might
start giving people up. Well, and think about this hypothetically and and we've we've had some friends that have gotten
to a little bit of trouble in the past by dropping somebody off, not knowing why they're dropping them off.
>> Ain't no friend of mine. >> Ain't no friend. No, but what if this guy or girl or whoever was just like,
"Hey, I have to take my friend's car over to the hospital." >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, you drop them off at the
Walmart. They start driving the car to the hospital. You drive to the hospital. You pick them up and you take them back
home. You don't put two and two together. You don't even hear the report that the missing girl's car was a black
Chevy Cruz. You don't even think about it. >> I see what you're getting at. Yeah.
>> And so, so then when the FBI gets involved and when it's not, it's not if when they find this person and when
they, you know, interrogate this person. This person possibly wasn't involved in
the crime, >> right? and and and was just helping out a friend, doing a favor, and that person
is way more likely to be like, "Oh, no. I dropped this person off." >> Yeah. >> You know, and that's maybe all they
know, but the person that moved the car knows a lot more. >> Yeah. And the thing here is uh it's the
big key to solving this case is is putting identification to that unidentified man that's moving the
vehicle. >> Oh, man. We're getting kind of riled up in the garage today. Is it getting a
little hot in here? It's getting hard to control myself, Captain. >> Well, at least it's not freezing cold
out anymore. Okay, so that's the new theory. But we also have this guy, the surveillance camera. This is has always
been a weird thing to me. And like I said, with the missing person cases, there's always this weirdness. And so,
uh, in that town, people are putting out missing person flyers. >> Yeah. Well, and and some of these are
actual signs that you like stick in the ground as well. >> Right. And the thing here is we have on
videotape, you know, because they've put a lot of these signs in the Walmart parking lot and in the parking lot areas
of these places that have been involved in the investigation, you know, where the car was moved to and things like
that. >> So, somebody is going around and taking the effort to remove these signs, which
is makes no sense at all to anybody, right? >> Um, they have video footage of this
person. the person seems to be trying to conceal their identity because the the what little video footage I've seen,
right, it appears to be somebody almost in like a jogging outfit, but their their hood is up
>> and they're like running, sprinting up to the sign, removing it and taking off.
>> Um, in one of the videos, I believe that they have a vehicle that they think is
involved in this situation. Now, the rumor mill seems to be that this person may not have anything to do with
Kelsey's disappearance >> or any type of foul play. >> He's just an [ __ ] >> Yes. Uh yes, a major [ __ ] But they
regardless, they want to they they're looking for this guy. And this is very cool. They got video footage him on on
the news locally and the police are actively looking for this guy and for good reason. Let's bring him in and see
what he does know, you know, before we just out outrightly clear him. Why would somebody take part in such strange
behavior? >> Yeah, it's very strange. So, either one, he's just a blatant [ __ ] or he has
something to do with this and he just, you know, is pulling these out, you know, so nobody talks about anymore.
like it kind of one of those like you know if people aren't talking about this then maybe I don't have to worry so much
anymore and so people like you know Dante and his mother and and anybody that possibly is involved that's why
we're talking about it >> right >> you know and if you can feel a little heat and if our listeners can uh you
know put some stuff out on the internet and this guy feels a little heat from it
if Dante feels a little heat from it fine with me. Yeah. >> You know this guy's not doing anything.
his jump shot wasn't good enough to get him to the NBA. >> Right. >> Right. And he, you know, he's probably
not doing much with his life. And uh I hope this gets back to him. >> And I think that it will because we we
see that there's some evidence here, right? We see there's plenty of evidence as far as I'm concerned to get somebody
in a room and break them down. >> Yeah. I think that's the tough thing about this case is it's one of those
cases once you start diving in, it's it's almost a mystery on why it's not solved yet.
>> You're exactly right. And and here's the other thing too, Captain. The family, if
you review the lawsuit that they put together, now of course this was not it was thrown out. They didn't do anything
with it, but the family brought up this lawsuit and they were going after Dante and family members of Dante's and it
within those pages, it basically pieces together a theory for everybody, the family's theory on how this whole thing
went down. And we've we've talked about it a little bit, but I wanted to kind of
just go through it real quick because it was unclear before. But the general theory is that at some point before the
doctor's visit that Dante's family starts contacting Kelsey trying to get her to come to PBLO to visit down to
PBLO before that visit. That seems to be a very important date for them for whatever reason. When they are unable to
achieve that, then all of a sudden we have this surprise. Now we have nice Dante come forward and he's got a
surprise for Kelsey, >> right? It's like some form of trickery. >> Yeah. Try to lure her down there with
some kind of nice surprise. And then it's at this point that we start to see this convolute convoluted movement of
Kelsey's where meet me at the Dante says meet me at the Walmart. She goes there.
She stood up for a bit of time and then through some communication Dante says meet me near my grandmother's place.
Right. She goes there. >> We don't hear from her after that. This is where we know that she disappeared
and we think something happened inside that home inside Dante mother mother's rented home
>> and then from there we have a situation where now we have to dispose of the remains and this is where we have that
weird cell phone activity where they they've collected data and the information that will show that Dante's
cell phone and Kelsey's cell phone were located in close proximity to one another in a remote location.
>> Mhm. and and there's no reason for that phone call. It's exactly what I think the
family believes that somebody was looking for that phone in the dark. >> And a big question to us on social media
in the last day or so was did they search that area where those those phone calls were made?
>> Uh I don't know that answer. I don't believe so. >> I can't say for certain. Um, what I can
say is that Troy told us that he went there to look on in a certain location that Kelsey's mother wanted to check out
that was off of some kind of county road out there. Maybe Kelsey's mother is aware of where this these phones were
thought to have been located at the time and that might have been the area they were checking. I can't say for certain.
>> Yeah. And you brought up something interesting because there has been some, you know, law enforcement saying, "Hey,
we don't want you guys doing your own searches." >> Right. Right. >> And which I think is a hindrance. I
mean, I think as far if I was law enforcement, it would be really hard to tell a mother or a family looking for a
missing person to stop looking. >> You know, don't look. We We got this. >> Don't look on your own. Yeah. Yeah. If
anything, you should be offering, hey, let's set up a time. Let's set up a, you know, we can put some of our people
together with some of your people and check out that area. >> And like you were saying, I think this
lawsuit is really telling of who the family thinks is involved in the disappearance of their daughter.
>> Yeah. It names Dante and Dante's mother, Dante's grandmother, and certain family
members of his. And as we've seen from the video footage, we know that more than one person is involved in this
somehow. it the the problem here is figuring out who is the nucleus of this whole thing. Is it Dante? Is it the
mother? You know, it's it's it's hard to say. >> And hopefully, if anybody out there
knows anything, hopefully they will come forward. And if you have any information, you want to contact people
at helpfindk.com. >> Yeah. And one thing that I found on the website that I thought was um something
that we should re repeat here um it's it's something that's written as if it's in Kelsey's own own words and it goes
like this. It says, "I am Kelsey Shelling. You know the person who caused me to disappear.
>> You may know his family. You may know his friends. You may know where he hangs
out. You may know whom he confides in. >> You may know where he would go if he were in trouble. You may know where he
would take me. Your conscience may be bothering you. You may know where I am. It's time to talk. It's time to help my
family. It's time for me to go home. My family does not care who you are. You may be afraid. That's not an excuse. You
can call anonymously. Call now. Please call 18554Kelsey or visit helpfindelsey.com.
do the right thing. >> It always baffles me in some of these cases where there is somebody out there
with information and they just don't come forward because they don't want to be labeled as a snitch or whatever.
>> Well, before we wrap this up here, Captain, I want to throw this out there. All right. This is a little reminder to
everybody out there. This case will be solved and it may be solved soon and why CBI has taken this case over. There's
the new theory, which is a good one, too. and it potentially brings a whole other person or maybe persons into the
fold. And so far, there are a lot of low down people in this fold. And that's one
thing I want to address right now. This case will be solved. Arrest and convictions are going to happen. And I'm
guessing they will happen soon. So, I want to address Dante and some of his family because I wouldn't be surprised
if one of them might listen to this episode. So, here you go. the Lucas family and persons that helped Dante.
Listen carefully. Turn yourself in. Do it. Turn yourself in before one of the other lowdowns you conspired with turns
you in. You can help yourself. You can help her family at the same time. Do it because you know better than anyone
that's out there. You do not want to be second to the confession party. And like
always, our thoughts and prayers go out to Kelsey's family and friends and anybody that was affected by this case.
And and if you have any information, please reach out to them at helpfindkelsey.com.
You can also call CBI and their number is 719-647-5999. And if you want to remain anonymous,
they have the PBLO Crimestoppers that you can call at 719-542 STOP. All right, let's get back to some
more beer drinking, right? Uh, and this week's recommendation on the reading is,
>> do you mind if I read a email real quick here, Captain? We we had a funny situation. Okay, last night we did our
show and I get home and I checked the email and we received one from a a guy named Aaron and he's contacting us from
Illinois stating that his father was a detective and his mother was a nurse. So needless to say, the dinner
conversations were always interesting. U but he recommended a case to us where a
um his father had worked on this case where a man named Gary Galer and I hope I said that name right was sentenced to
death for the murder of his elderly parents. Um and his father was involved in this case and has always stuck with
him. Now, Gary ended up being uh over the guilty conviction overturned because what happened was we had a situation
where some outlaw bikers were they figured out that they had actually committed the murders. Right.
>> And so I was able to reply to him stating that the funny thing here is that Aaron, the book that we just
recommended yesterday talks about that exact case. >> Right. And that book is called You Got
to Be Dirty. >> That's right. You got to be dirty by Michael Grogan. and it's uh about the
Outlaws Motorcycle Club in and around Wisconsin. You can pick that up by going to our website trueimeg.com, click on
the recommended page and check out the books and movies that we've recommended there.
>> Yeah, it's a great way to help out the show. You just go to our website. That's
trueg.com. You click on the Amazon banner. You can either buy a book or you can buy anything really. I mean, you
know, with all this sadness that we talk about, I like to comfort myself by buying guitars. like I have a serious
problem with it, but I like to do so by going through our banner and they give us a little kickback and it's no extra
cost to you. And until then, everybody be good, be kind, and don't play. [Music]

Kelsie Schelling /// Part 2 /// Episode: 84

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Kelsie Schelling was 21 years old and 8 weeks pregnant when she vanished on February 4, 2013. She had the first doctor's visit of her pregnancy earlier that day. After the trip to the doctor and a shift at work, Kelsie drove two hours to Pueblo, Colorado to visit her boyfriend and father of her child, Donthe Lucas. What happened once Kelsie got to Pueblo remains a mystery. She hasn't been seen since. Kelsie Schelling is 26 years old. She is 5 foot 3 inches tall, 120 pounds, and she is white with brown hair and hazel eyes. She was last seen on February 4, 2013 in the area of Manor Ridge Drive and Siena Drive in Pueblo Colorado. If you have any information please call the CBI at 719-647-5999 or to remain anonymous contact Pueblo Crime Stoppers at 719-542-STOP or www.pueblocrimestoppers.comThere is a large reward for Kelsie's return or location.

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Brief Summary

Kelsey Shelling vanished in 2013; her boyfriend Dante Lucas is a suspect amid various leads and psychic insights into her disappearance.

Key points

The Mysterious Message. A woman claims Kelsey is alive and hints at a dark plot.
A Disturbing Revelation. Details emerge about a possible abortion and a fake grave.
The Family's Strength. Kelsey's family remains determined despite the challenges they face.
A Hoax or a Lead?. Kelsey's family receives a suspicious tip about her whereabouts.
Dante's Mother's Involvement. Dante's mother may have been communicating with Kelsey, raising concerns about the relationship.
Blood Stain Discovery. A landlord finds a bloodstain in the apartment previously rented by Dante's family, raising suspicions.

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Episode quotes

Ma'am, please, your daughter is not dead. She will be home alive.

Message from a mysterious man to Kelsey's mother.

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