Kelsie Schelling /// Part 1 /// Episode: 83 | Forensic Files

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just 21 years old and 8 weeks pregnant. >> She's deeply loved and deeply missed. He
is just overwhelming. >> Kelsey Shelling's face is on billboards in PBLO and volunteers have combed
through the area she was last seen. 10 days after her disappearance, her car was found abandoned at a PBLO hospital.
Police say someone parked it there and walked away. Two years later, no arrests and no other clues.
>> I don't even know how to explain how much it hurts to have your child just like ripped out of your
life like that and to not know, you know, to not know where she is. >> Shelling was last seen in PBLO visiting
her boyfriend, Dante Lucas. Lucas was later arrested for using Shelling's debit card after she disappeared, but
those charges were dropped. I know that he's involved. Now, whether he actually harmed Kelsey himself or had someone
else do it, I don't know that, but I know that he's involved. >> But police say he's never been a
suspect. >> We found out through friends and other interviews and bank records that that
was not uncommon. She gave him a card, told him, "Go get money." >> Pubo police believe someone knows
something. And Kelsey's mom hopes one day they can bring her daughter home. >> She doesn't deserve
whatever happened and and wherever she is, she needs to be back in the arms of of her family.
[Music] Kelsey Shelling was 21 years old and 8 weeks pregnant when she vanished on
February 4th, 2013. She had her first doctor's visit that day of her pregnancy, and she sent a picture of the
sonogram that she received of the baby to her mother and to her boyfriend. After a trip to the doctor's office and
after a shift at work, Kelsey drove about 2 hours to Pueblo, Colorado to visit her boyfriend and the father of
her baby, uh, Dante Lucas. Now, what happened once she got there remains a mystery. She hasn't been seen since.
>> Today, Kelsey would be 26 years old. >> Yeah. And a brief description of her,
she is 5' 3 in tall, 120 lb, and she is white with brown hair and hazel eyes. And looking at Kelsey's picture, it
seems like she had some tattoos. >> Yeah, she definitely did, but uh for whatever reason, they did not include
these on her missing person's sign. Uh she was last seen February 4th, 2013. This would be in the area of Manor Ridge
Drive in Sienna Drive in Pueblo, Colorado. Now, we're talking about this today because it's a missing person's,
you know, and but but more importantly, the month of February is very important to this case. Um, we have a birthday.
She would have celebrated a birthday on February 18th of this month. >> It's also obviously the anniversary of
her disappearance from the 4th of this month. But they've also included a uh an increase in the reward that that they
are offering for the return or the location of Kelsey. Now, the the reward was originally listed at $50,000, but
for the month of February for this year, it has been increased to $100,000. And there's a lot of thought that has
gone into this. First of all, her family has worked very hard to be able to put together this this offer, this reward
money that was offered up >> and worked with local businesses to get together some more funds to increase
that reward. >> And I applaud their efforts. But but the other thing here, Captain, is we we have
a situation where it may be where several people could have been involved or know about the disappearance or the
whereabouts of Kelsey. and the community has been heavily involved. And you can find out more information at
helpfindklseelsey.com. >> Yeah. And listen to this from that website. I wanted wanted to read this
real quick. Uh on the website helpfindky.com, they state, "We hope and pray someone
will find it in their heart to end the suffering and allow us to bring our Kelsey and grandchild home where they
belong." The Shelling and Saxton family is offering a reward of up to $100,000 to the person who provides information
in the month of February 2017 leading to Kelsey's direct return or location. >> All right, let's get into the details of
this case. >> So, Kelsey was living in Denver in the Denver area working at a store called
Floor and Decor. Her parents were divorced. Uh they divorced when she was 11. Uh, Kelsey is a fun, outgoing
person. She was very close to her mother. Kelsey attended Northeastern Junior College. She wanted to study
psychology, but it this is where she met a man named Dante Lucas. >> Now, Dante is playing basketball for the
school. He has hopes of getting recruited by a bigger school as he would like to play basketball professionally.
The two become involved romantically, although this relationship is not described as being very romantic.
Kelsey's friends use words like whirlwind and toxic to describe the actual relationship. Dante pretty much
treated Kelsey like a dog according to her friends. Anyway, we have an on on again and off again relationship, but by
2012, Kelsey is not attending the junior college and Dante has returned home. He
was never recruited by a big school to go off and play basketball. In 2013, Kelsey tells her mother Laura that she
is pregnant. And on February 4th, 2013, she goes for her first doctor's visit. And this is where she she does the
sonogram and has, you know, you get the picture of the of the baby that's growing inside you and you get excited
and you send it off to your friends and loved ones. She sent it to her mother and never experienced this. You've never
had a baby growing inside of you? >> No, I have never had a baby growing inside of me, but I've never I don't
have any biological kids. >> Well, the report from that doctor's visit is everything is healthy. You
know, the baby's healthy and everything is going good with the pregnancy. >> That same day, she uh sent a text, sent
the pictures off to her friends and to to Dante and her mother. Kelsey's mother says that of course there were some
stresses with this pregnancy. you know, Kelsey, being a young woman, that's just
natural uh stresses that come with this situation, but she seemed very happy and
she seemed to be looking forward to being a mother. >> And like you said, that she's going to
head off to work. So, she goes to the doctor's office, she heads into work. This is where it starts getting a little
fishy for me. >> Uh and and just the fact that she goes to work, and then she's going to leave
work about 10:00 p.m. >> And so, people see her at work, they see her leaving. We know that she was there.
and uh you know clock in, clock out, all that stuff. But now at 10 p.m. she's going to head and take a 2-hour trip.
>> Yeah. >> To go see this Dante character >> to Pueblo, Colorado. And this would be
at his coaxing. You know, we there have been some text messages that have been made public uh that she was sending and
receiving that day. Um he wants her to come down there and and and I'll go through those text messages real quick.
Early in the day, she sends one to him stating, "I now know how you truly do feel. You have no obligation to me, and
you don't want anything to do with me." >> And it sounds to me like at this point
she's kind of sticking up for herself. They're bickering about something >> and she's stating, "Okay, well, it's
pretty clear and I'm not going to fight you anymore. You don't want anything to do with me."
>> Right. Right. And it and it almost sounds like maybe she's working on ending this relationship in in a way.
>> Yeah. And then also at this point, she has to go take a test cuz I don't think
she's 100% sure that she's pregnant >> at this point. >> Yeah, she's done some of those home
pregnancy tests, but this would be the actual first doctor's visit to confirm uh those home pregnancy test,
>> right? And I think, you know, being a young um female, she's probably thinking
on some level like, okay, well, if I am pregnant, well, now this is kind of throwing a wrench in in the whole thing
because, you know, this guy that has been nothing but rude and has treated me like basically [ __ ]
Now he doesn't want to be involved in in my life or maybe I don't want him to be
involved in my life and now I might be having a baby with this guy. So now he is going to be connected to me for at
least 18 years. >> Yeah, we see that there's definitely something going on with this
relationship here and something going on with her emotionally as she's reaching out to Dante. But then the next text
message that she sends that we are aware of is the picture of the ultrasound after the doctor's visit.
>> Now, while she's at her shift, she's going to receive some text me messages from Dante. And this doesn't seem to be
any type of bickering or arguing about their relationship or about the the future of this this child. Um it sounds
to me like he's trying to get her to come down and visit him, which is like you said what about a 2-hour drive.
>> Well, I would one I'd like to know if this is the full record of the text messages cuz it's not really clear when
you you know look for all the through all the mess. Um, but it seems very odd to me that she sends the ultrasound and
it just instantly is like there's no fighting. It doesn't seem like there's any question like what is that?
>> Mhm. >> Or is it mine? >> Yeah. He he's making it sound like there's some kind of surprise that he
has for her. You know, you you need to come down here because I have a surprise for you.
>> Well, right. But what I'm saying is surprising to me is that there's not a lot of communication about the
ultrasound. >> Right. Yeah. And so the text that he sends tells her, you know, they're
talking about the surprise and he's saying, "Just wait and see for yourself. You probably wouldn't believe it. You
probably wouldn't believe me if I told you." And she's stating, "Well, just tell me what the surprise is and then
I'll come down." And again, he's saying, "Come see it for yourself. I know it will put you in a better mood."
>> So it seems like that he was had to be somewhat aware of this doctor visit that
was going to happen that day. Yeah, he's aware of the possible pregnancy. Uh he's
aware that there's going to be a doctor's visit and there's some possible evidence, maybe just speculation that he
was actually trying to get her to come down before the doctor's visit that she had on February 14th.
>> Okay, that makes a lot more sense to me. >> Yeah. So, he he's trying to get her to
come down and see him in Pueblo, which is a 2-hour drive. She obviously seems a little reluctant of this. We have this
guy who has not been great for this girl. Now he's the father of her unborn baby and he's reported to have been
angry about the pregnancy. He may have even wanted nothing to do with her or the baby at all. And now there's this
offer to meet him in Pueblo. Now Kelsey, >> right? And the offer is so ridiculous. I
mean, he basically picked up some paddles, jumped in his douche canoe and started streaming down douche river and
he was like, "Hey, I got a surprise for you." And she's like, "Well, what's the surprise?" And there wasn't no surprise.
So he's going, "Just wait till you see it." >> Yeah. >> It's going to be amazing. I've got
nothing here. She's calling my bluff. She does decide to go. But we, let's be very clear, this was not a trip that she
had planned or spent any length of time planning. Uh she did not tell either of her parents that she was going to go. Uh
she didn't take any of her prenatal care items or personal items that would indicate that she intended to stay there
for any extended period of time. >> Right. Uh, so she she works her shift at the floor and decor and then she leaves
work at at the end of her shift and sometime around 10 p.m. she makes the drive to Pueblo
>> and Dante has text Kelsey stating, "Hey, why don't we meet at the Walmart?" >> Yeah. Kelsey arrives at the Walmart at
4080 West Northern Avenue in Pueblo at 11:20 p.m. And she waits there for Dante. She starts texting him.
>> Wait, you said 11:20? >> Yes. She starts texting him saying that she is tired of waiting. This is around
like 12:15 a.m. on the 5th. Dante texts Kelsey telling her to go to a different location and meet him there. Now, this
would be that Manor Ridge Street area that is listed on her missing person sign. Note, this area is near Dante's
grandmother's house where it is thought that he was to have been living with his
grandmother at his grandmother's place at this time. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like this Dante
character, you know, has stayed with his grandma, but has also stayed with his mother. And so it's like he has no um
concrete residence. >> At 12:32 a.m., Kelsey sends Dante Lucas another text message. She's now at the
new location. This was where Dante had requested that she go, and she's texting wanting to know where he was. Uh she's
complaining that she's been there waiting for him for over an hour. I believe the exact text reads, "Where are
you? I've been here over an hour just waiting." >> Yeah. A couple things here that I don't
like. First of all, you know, you're the pretty female. This guy's just some kind
of a goon, right? >> Mhm. >> And he wants you to drive two hours to see him. No, don't waste your gas money.
Don't waste your time. Uh, you know, he should court you, right? You believe that you're pregnant by him? Uh, he
needs to be driving to see you first of all. Then you show up at the Walmart. He's not there. Now you're waiting. At
at that point, turn around, go home. >> Mhm. >> This guy, this guy's a fool. Stop
wasting your time. But then she goes and heads to the next location. And now we have this evidence that he's not there
either, >> right? >> And she's waiting. Like I said, he's just a goon. >> Well, and it's at this the time of this
text or shortly after that is that it is believed that she went missing at that time. and she's not been seen since.
Now, in the day that would follow, Kelsey's parents are trying to call her on her cell phone. These calls are going
straight to voicemail, and by the end of the week, her cell phone, it shuts off.
There's there's no communication with Kelsey after this text message. There's conflicting reports on this. Some people
say that the cell phone uh stayed where it wasn't going straight to voicemail till the end of the week or whatever,
that the cell phone was still on. Um, a bunch of other reports basically say within 24 hours that stopped.
>> So, we have a situation here where we have a girl that's gone missing, but it's very unclear as to when we are
aware that she's actual actually missing. We don't know if she missed a work shift the following day, but for
whatever reason, her family starts looking for her, >> right? They're trying to get in contact
with her and they start trying to contact her friends and her friends obviously don't know. and she, you know,
Kelsey wasn't telling her family or friends, hey, I'm going to go visit this guy.
>> Because I think anytime you're in a relationship where the guy is, you know, a horrible person and there's all this,
you know, chatter about how he would, you know, put her down, call her fat, say that she wasn't, you know, worth
anything and you're happy that I'm in your life. I mean, this guy's a real winner. And um and so you don't want to
tell your friends, you don't want to tell your family, "Hey, I'm going to go see this guy."
>> Right. Right. you because eventually they want you just to move on with your life and get this guy out of out of the
way. But so nobody knows anything and so then uh Kelsey's mother has to contact Dante.
>> Yeah. And the way that I imagine this going down, Captain is he probably confirms that he saw her that night. Uh,
we don't know for certain, but what we do know is he basically tells Laura is which is Kelsey's mother that, you know,
if I see her, if I hear from her, I'll let her know that you're looking for her or I will reach out and let you know
something, >> right? And the and what the mother says to Dante is, "Hey, look, you need to let
her know that, you know, we're taking it serious, >> like we're calling the cops. We're
getting people involved. So, if you're just, you know, stressed out and taking a breather from life for a while, that's
fine. Cuz I I wonder, you know, that kind of makes it make sense to me that she's calling the boyfriend and maybe
she's thinking that Kelsey went to go visit him and is just going to chill out there for a couple days and just to blow
off steam and not be so stressed out. And maybe that's why he's telling him, "Hey, tell her that we're taking this
serious." So if you you know kind of like hey if you guys are hanging out and she just doesn't want to talk to family
and friends just let her know to reach out so we you know we don't waste the law enforcement's time.
>> Well you're exactly right. You're the mother calling. You can't get a hold of
your daughter. You're hoping maybe you get a hold of this guy and for whatever reason she went to see him and all of a
sudden he's singing a different tune. Now he's he's received the the ultrasound photo and now he's starting
to feel like maybe I want to be a father or maybe I want to do the right thing and and be there emotionally or some in
some way supporting this this young lady. >> Yeah. It seems to me, you know, just my
knowledge of people having kids, it either makes people like a lot better of people
>> or makes them a lot worse of a person. Yeah. >> Like it I've never had a buddy that had
like a kid and just like stayed the same. They normally either become a lot better, all of a sudden they become like
this big loser piece of [ __ ] you know? >> So after just a couple of days, we have
a situation where the a young girl has gone missing, young woman's gone missing. Her friends are now aware
because the parents have made made them aware. Calling them asking where she is.
Friends don't know. The boyfriend maybe not a boyfriend. He's aware that she's Kelsey's not been seen. And you know,
her mother stating that we are going to call the police. We're taking this very seriously. We have a young 8-week
pregnant woman >> who's who's missing that we can't get in touch with who seems very close with her
mother mind you. She says we're going to take this seriously. We're going to call
the police and they do exactly that. They get the PBLO police department involved and they b and they announce
her as missing to them. And now we have police out looking and making their phone calls as well to try to figure out
where Kelsey is or where she was last seen. So, law enforcement is involved and they actually interviewed Dante.
It's really not clear how much information he gives them. I think it's probably really similar to what he gave
Kelsey's mother. You know, uh, I haven't seen her. I, you know, I don't know where she's at. I haven't heard anything
from her. >> Mhm. >> And then we're going to have a twist of events because on the 14th on
Valentine's Day >> Mhm. >> Um, we find her car. >> Yeah. Police would find Kelsey's black
2011 Chevy Cruz at St. Mary Corwin Medical Center. Uh, police reviewed surveillance footage and found out that
an unidentified black man had pulled up and parked the vehicle on February 7th. So, it had actually sat there for 7 days
before police find it in this parking lot. >> Right. And if you look at the footage, I
mean, it's just kind of a, you know, black man dressed in all black. Mhm. Yeah. So now finding her car, this
presents a big big problem, right? Because now we don't have a situation where we might have a young woman that
went rogue. You know, maybe she's depressed or got weird things going on and decided to take off on her own. No.
When when a person leaves, they have to have a means of leaving. And her means would have been her car. And once you
find her car, now now you're aware that there's there's a big problem here. And we we found this girl's vehicle. We
cannot find her. >> Yeah. And we like we said, I mean, you find her car, but the car is two hours
away from her house. You know, it'd be a lot different to me if for some reason,
you know, she had this interaction with Dante and then made it back to Denver >> and then she went missing. Cuz then I
go, okay, well, maybe, you know, maybe there is that thought that anytime there's a missing person, people
speculate it, did they go missing on their own or you know, was it suicide? It doesn't make a lot of sense that
somehow her car ends up at this hospital and there's no record of her being at that hospital.
>> Yeah. You can't you can't she it's not her that's getting out of the vehicle.
It's not her that parked it there on February 7th. So now your best means of tracking and finding Kelsey is trying to
figure out track the car and try to figure out where Kelsey was separated from the vehicle.
>> Well, and and then track whoever this individual is. >> Mhm. So, we have this car that's found
with an unidentified man getting out of the vehicle. He doesn't he's not recognized by by anybody they show the
tape to. However, her her boyfriend or the man that she was going to go see is a tall black man. The guy in the video
appears to be a tall black man, right? And um now they're going to have to bring in Dante and and talk about this
vehicle. and they're going to learn a lot more about the movements of this vehicle, but we'll get to that right
after this quick beer break. And we're back. Dante Lucas was picked up on February 15th, and he's going to be
brought in for questioning because now we found the vehicle, and we've got a lot of questions that need to be
answered. We need to know where Kelsey is, and when was the last time that Dante had seen her.
>> Yeah. And so Dante's statements, he states, "Well, yes, she did come out on the 4th to see me after work
>> and that she was waiting in the Walmart parking lot." >> Mhm. >> And she waited for about an hour. From
there, he states that she would then drive to Manor Ridge Drive, which is near Dante's grandmother's place, and
meet him there. He says when there they got into some kind of argument or disagreement, and she tells him that
she's going home. >> Mhm. Uh he later finds out that >> well then he claims that he goes to bed.
>> Yeah. He goes to bed and that Kelsey decided to stay and sleep in her car for
some reason. >> Mhm. >> Uh the next morning, this would be around 7:00 a.m. Kelsey tells Dante that
she is not feeling well and she has asked for him to drive her to the hospital. From there, he says that they
go to the Park View Wellness Center. >> Now, he states he doesn't go in with her. He he simply drops her off and
she's in there for about 2 hours, maybe a little less. But when she comes out, she then tells Dante that she is not
pregnant. >> Mhm. >> He he then says that they go to Walmart. This Walmart seems to be like the center
of the universe for this guy. Right. >> Right. >> He he says she goes in she wanted to go
in and get some snacks and stuff, >> right, for her trip home. And then they must have gotten into some kind of
argument or disagreement again or something happened because according to Dante, she then tells him she's no
longer an interest. She's not interested in driving him home. He's going to have
to walk. And he says this is the last time that he sees Kelsey. >> Mhm. So then he should be seen on some
kind of surveillance walking home from the Walmart. >> Yeah. Yeah. He should be seen walking
home leaving her vehicle. >> But we don't have that surveillance. >> I don't know. At this point, we don't
know if this guy is telling the truth or not, right? We just kind of kind of go with it. But we got this car and we have
some evidence about this car and where the car's movements were. >> Yeah. Police start looking into
surveillance footage from other businesses and discovered that Dante Lucas had parked the vehicle at the
Walmart, the one one that he said that they had gone to, >> right? The hub of the universe. This is
about three miles west of the hospital that on February 5th he claims that he had dropped Kelsey off at. Right.
>> So in this footage you can clearly see that he is alone at the Walmart. The the
vehicle is parked. It's her it's her black Chevy Cruise is parked >> and he gets out of the vehicle and it
almost looks like he locks the vehicle as he's walking away. you know, you can kind of see the flash of of the lights
that would indicate somebody hitting the lock button on the the key fob, >> right?
>> And from there, he he goes and he walks near the back of the store. And during
this time, he appears to be texting. He's busy with his phone. He might be making phone calls or texting,
>> right? But the record, as far as Kelsey's phone goes, he's not texting Kelsey.
>> Correct. Now, what we see here is he he gets again, he gets out of the vehicle
by himself. Kelsey's nowhere to be seen on any of this footage. The black Chevy Cruz, it sits in the Walmart parking lot
for about 18 hours when on February 6th, an unidentified black man walks up to the car. He even appears like he might
have the keys. Uh you can kind of see him motioning like he has the keys as he's getting closer to the vehicle to to
like unlock the vehicle. >> Uh the police say and the newspapers say an unidentified man, right, Captain?
Right. Uh you've you've seen the footage. What do you think? Some people think that it's Dante. Some people think
that it's not. >> Yeah, I it's it's hard to tell because you know he is a taller individual. I
mean he was a a basketball star, >> high school basketball star. Let's not give him a bunch of credit, right? This
is a guy that was playing high school basketball and had dreams of becoming an NBA star, but he one he didn't have the
intelligence to um or or the work ethic to get the grades in school to have the big schools come looking at at him cuz
he was a talented athlete, but if you can't make the grades, colleges, division one schools, they're not going
to come after you cuz if if you're too much of a dummy and you can't make the grades, then you're just going to set
the bench for them. >> Yeah. And I and I think a lot of times, you know, especially in this community,
this is kind of a tough community. It has a high crime rate. And I think, you know, this was Dante's way out. And And
instead of manning up and saying, "Well, look, I just didn't do what I was supposed to do and I'm going to go to
college. I'm going to get a degree and move on with my life." I it seems like him, his friends, everybody else was
counting on the fact that this guy is still going to become, you know, a LeBron James.
>> Well, he certainly had the size and that's what you would think would make him pretty noticeable or very obvious to
point him out on these surveillance. >> Yeah. And I didn't notice that on the film. Yeah.
>> You know, >> I Well, I will. It It's tough because you don't have a whole lot to reference
his height to. You know what I mean? >> Well, you have the car. >> Mhm. But it doesn't look like he's
towering so much above the car. You know, he's 67. >> Mhm. >> And so it's like I'm 6'3. I I would
tower over a a Chevy Cruz. So that's where it's like, is it him? I I I'm leaning towards No.
>> Mhm. Yeah. And I'm actually leaning towards no as well. The body type to me looks
>> You actually agreed. >> Yeah. Imagine that. >> Oh, hey, cheers. The body type actually
looks a little different to me where where you know we said Dante's tall and he's pretty lean you know he's very
athletic >> and >> well well yeah but yeah but when you're >> athletic looking >> right when you're 67 you want to put
more size on him he's not a LeBron James LeBron James is a big boy all the way around this guy was definitely kind of a
bean pole >> the guy picking up the vehicle on February 6th he he looks slightly
different to me as far as body type goes, he looks like he might be a little shorter, maybe a little heavier. So, a
little squattier, let's say. >> Squattier. >> Yeah, but there's there's not an obvious
difference. I can't really put a stamp on if it's Dante or not, uh, for certain, but
>> regardless, this vehicle's picked up by this unidentified male on the 6th, and
then it's the same unidentified man that then parks the vehicle at St. Mary's at
St. Mary's Medical Center. Now, this would be on the following day on February 7th,
>> right? So, what where was the car's whereabouts for the rest of the six? That's very odd.
>> Exactly. And then this is where it sits for 7 days until police find it sitting
there at that that that medical center. >> And they and they have that for surveillance cuz once they found it,
they can go back to the hospital and say, "Hey, can we get surveillance of the parking lot?"
>> And so they know that it just sat there for 7 days. >> Mhm. We should also we got to bring up the
ATM footage, right, Captain? >> So, this this is going to be the whole purpose of picking up Dante on the 15th.
Okay, they when they're out and they're collecting surveillance footage from all
these other businesses to try to track the movements of this car, one thing that they are able to determine is that
at some point on the 5th before the vehicle arrives at the Walmart, it goes through an ATM machine.
>> Mhm. this vehicle with Dante driving the vehicle. Nobody else appears to be in
the vehicle. Kelsey's ATM card is used and $400 is taken out of her account and Dante's taking this money.
>> Well, this is where he's going to start squirming in the whole questioning process.
>> Well, yeah. And he's going to be charged with this initially. >> They're going to charge with, hey, we
got a missing person. We don't know where her whereabouts are, and you're using her ATM. We've seen this in a lot
of other cases where they don't have much to go off of, but they know that the suspect has used the missing person
uh ATM. So, we can charge him with that and that will give us chance to question
him and start ga gathering ev evidence if there was foul play. >> Yeah. Yeah. And he's going to start to
squirm. His story is going to start to fall apart here because now they want to know why are you in her car by yourself?
Why are you using her ATM card? And you're telling us your original story is that she disappeared sometime after
after dropping her at the hospital and then going to the Walmart and she goes home. You walk home. What are you doing
with her ATM card? >> Yeah. And he kind of tried to put it on the idea that well, I used the card
during the time that she was at the hospital. Doesn't really line up with his story, but maybe his story was off
by a few hours. The problem that's going to happen with police officers is this is a common thing. I mean, look, this
guy calls you fat. You're definitely not fat. He says you're not attractive. Definitely not. You know, you're
definitely attractive person. >> Dante's not very observant, >> right? Well, yeah. He's blind in one eye
and can't see out of the other. Um, he's not that bright. And so, you got a guy that's treating you like not what
you're worth, >> right? >> And you're putting forth all this effort. >> Mhm. And then the it comes out in this
case that this was a common thing where she would give him >> he would ask for money,
>> right? I I I look women, there is enough guys out there that will treat you nice,
say nice things about you, and give you money. >> Mhm. >> And give you their debit card where you
Look, if if a guy is asking you to borrow some money or borrow your debit card, run
for your life. >> But we're not implying that Kelsey has done anything wrong here. Um, you know,
>> Yeah, I am. I mean, I'm not trying Look, I know that she >> not to lead to her disappearance,
obviously. >> Right. Right. I mean, she's not at fault for what we don't know has happened.
She's not at fault for that. But I'm just saying, and she was young, right? I mean, she's 22 years old.
>> And so, she's young and she's naive. But what I'm saying is that there's all these stepping stones along the way. If
she would have just said, "Look, this is ridiculous." And then and I think because she would it's a it's a harder
predicament to be put in once you got this guy that's treating you like garbage and we've seen proof that she
was like okay well obviously you're never going to change so I probably should move on.
>> The problem was when she got pregnant with this guy's baby. >> Yeah it were definitely some indicators
along the way and but but now police they got the ATM footage. They're talking to Dante. He starts to squirm
and as you said, they're like, "Well, where is she if you're out using her ATM card?" And what are you using her card
for? And he said, "Well, she gave me the money to pay." I think he says, "A phone
bill." He's apparently he's got a $400 phone bill. >> Uh she gave me the card to you to pay
for my phone. Uh I I got the money. Well, where was she? Well, this would be when she was at the hospital. Remember,
I dropped her off that morning and she was in there for about an hour and a half to two hours, right? and I was gone
and I went and picked up the money then. But the the the footage from the ATM machine to the time that the vehicle's
being parked at the Walmart, well, that's why I think that they know that this is Dante getting out of the vehicle
at the Walmart because that such a short amount of time has has elapsed that it's
only conceivable that whomever was going through the ATM was the same person that
parked it at the Walmart. And you already have him saying, "It was me at the ATM." But now he's starting to go,
"Uhoh. my story is starting to fall apart, right? >> And he says, "I want to talk to a
lawyer. If we're if you're going to keep asking me questions and you're keep asking me the same questions over and
over again, I've already gave you answers. I need to talk to a lawyer." >> Well, investigators are going to go to
that hospital and realize that Kelsey, you know, look, it's it's possible that she went to that uh hospital and that
she just never checked in. >> Mhm. and and she just decided she was going to go to, you know, think about it
this way. Let's say his story is true. She goes to the hospital. She doesn't check in. She just sits on the park
bench. >> Well, >> right here, man. Good. >> He sits on the park bench for hour and a
half, two hours, doesn't text anybody, and then comes back out and says, "Ah, not pregnant."
and she's telling him that so she can get away and and never see this guy again. So, okay, you got that side of
the story. You have also that we have proof that she didn't check into this hospital. So, chances are she didn't go
to the hospital. >> Well, and well, they and you're exactly right. And and let's before we get too
far on another path here, let's start going through his story and let's let's talk about the let's dice this turkey
up, right? So, first of all, when they're doing the the check the of the traffic and security cameras, there is
no evidence to to support his story. >> And that being there's no evidence to support the part of the story where her
vehicle ever went to the Park View Medical Center. It's not seen traveling there. It's not seen in the parking lot.
Her vehicle is not on camera doing that. Right. Furthermore, they don't have any
video evidence of her going in or out of the medical center. They see no footage
of Kelsey inside the medical center. >> And oh yeah, uh Dante, Mr. Einstein here, uh we have these things called
medical records and they never accessed her records. >> What is that? >> They don't have any records of her in
their system. So, it's virtually impossible that she was in the Parkview Medical Center that day. And it's most
likely that she never ever had been in that Parkview med medical center, >> right? And once you figure out that he's
lying about that, then it's like, what else is he lying about? >> And then second of all, we have her car,
right? So Kelsey's car seems to have been all over the place. And remember, they have video footage of Kelsey's car
being parked at the Walmart. >> Mhm. >> And two people do not get out of the car
when when it is parked. It's parked only by one person who gets out of the car and it's not Kelsey, it's Dante. Dante
parks the car. And remember, he says she left him to walk home alone, right? >> Well, that's not the whole story here
because what happens is he actually is seen going to the back of the store, behind the store in the parking lot, and
now he's getting into his mother's car. Mhm. >> It has been established that Dante's
mother, Sarah Lucas, and his grandmother, Vivian Lucas, were in the car. Meanwhile, on tape, you can see him
when he's walking and he looks like he's texting and making a phone call. It very
well could have been, you know, that he's calling or texting mom or grandma, you know, just to get him a ride,
>> right? They might not have known he was dropping off Kelsey's car. Or he could
have been walking to mom and grandma's car and now he's calling or texting someone else saying, "I just dumped the
car." >> Right? >> You know, I'll tell you what here. He he's on tape, so we don't need a whole
lot of more evidence on this guy. But what I'm starting to wonder is how many people are involved in this thing
>> and what is the mother's role in this? >> We know she's seen picking him up cuz
this I mean this dude looks very guilty at this point. >> Mhm. And here we have mommy walking
right behind him, you know, helping him out, cleaning up his mess. And now we have grandma there, too. I'm starting to
wonder how many generations of murderers do we have in this family? >> Well, yeah. And I think it goes back to
the whole, you know, like we're going to get into this, but I just want to call this out at the beginning. Like I said,
I mean, this is a troubled area. you know, there's there's a tough community and he is a, you know, let's just say a
troubled kid and doesn't have a lot of options as far as his future and this is the golden ticket. You know, this is
>> the basketball ticket, >> right? I got a golden ticket and and that's what his family thinks, too. I
mean, his mom wasn't some winner. She wasn't, you know, some lawyer or something. Not saying that all lawyers
are winners, but I'm just saying, you know, it wasn't like she was doing a bunch with her life. And I think her son
was a meal ticket. And and by the way, all he didn't always live with her either.
>> Yeah. >> You know, so she she's not a winner. >> Yeah. They were putting all their eggs
into Dante's basket, >> right? And it had a bunch of holes in that basket. >> Yeah. Ne next, let's talk about the cell
phone activity on Kelsey's phone. >> Mhm. >> Uh this does not look good for Dante's
story as well. At 3:54 a.m., Dante Lucas called Kelsey's phone. Now, this is the
early morning hours when she supposedly went missing. You know, he says she's out sleeping in her car at this point.
>> Now, her family's going to argue this is the time where when she went missing.
So, they do a data and information collected on Dante and Kelsey's phones. They're able to establish that these
phones are in close proximity to one another in a remote area of PBLO County at this time. Mhm.
>> So they're say they're stating the investigators are saying there's no need or reason for Dante to call Kelsey's
phone. That's how close they are. Of course, the theory here is that Kelsey had been murdered sometime before this
call was made and that the call was made to locate Kelsey's phone in the dark. >> Right. Throughout the night, there were
various text messages that were communicated between Kelsey and Dante's cell phones. And an analysis of the text
and the verbiage used in those communications from Chelsea's phone after 3:54 a.m. would indicate that the
wording, spelling, and type of verbiage used was dissimilar to that used by Kelsey in previous messages.
>> Right. >> Also, the content of these messages, they just make no sense. They they're
they're out of context, >> right? So, it's it's almost like So, I'm just putting this in my brain.
>> You just threw out a bunch of stuff thrown in my brain. >> So, their thought is that she's
murdered. >> Mhm. >> He makes a call or somebody makes a call to find her phone and then, oh, well,
let's do some text game back and forth to to kind of cover our tracks. >> Yeah. to make it look like she's alive
and she's communicating with him, >> right? But this genius, this Einstein, when he's talking to the police, he
basically makes it seem like, well, I didn't know that she was spending the night. I didn't know she was staying in
her car, >> right? >> And so, yeah, it's weird. Now, he he's lawyered up, right? And this is where
they've decided we're probably going to have to let this guy go because he's no longer cooperating with us. whether he
was lying to begin with or telling us the truth. He's no longer opening up to us and telling us what he knows.
>> Um he lawyers up and remember he was brought in for the use of the ATM card. He was initially charged with some for
some form of fraud here, >> right? And but they the police are able to establish through talking to Kelsey's
mother and some of her friends that that this was something that he had done in the past that he he had borrowed money
from her. He had asked her for money and it wasn't it wasn't a giant leap to believe that she wouldn't have let him
use her ATM card. So for even though we have all these questionable circumstances, we cannot outright say
that that it's completely inconceivable that he that she didn't let him use that
card on that day. >> Right. Basically, we are charging this guy with these this offense, but we
don't think we'll be able to prove it in court, so let's move on. >> Mhm. Yeah, it was a good way to try to
get some answers from him and get him to talk. Uh, where I think they bumbled here a little bit was they probably
could have pushed him a little harder during that interview and during that interrogation because you've seen the
footage. It looks to me, man, like he like he was seconds from cracking, right? Or or at the very least seconds
from saying something very stupid. >> Well, if he's anything like the captain, he's always a couple seconds away from
saying something stupid. >> Well, I mean, his sto his story doesn't make a whole lot of sense. M
>> he's And furthermore, let's say something did happen to Kelsey, right? That something was done to her in the
time frame that her her family believes that it was. >> Mhm. >> He He's making all kinds of stupid
mistakes. They seem too dumb to even be mistakes, right? >> Like he's going through an ATM machine
using her card. >> Clearly, he's got to know that he's on camera. I mean, it's 2013.
He might not know, >> but but then again, he's in the Walmart parking lot. It just I don't know.
There's there's just so many things here. >> Yeah. But like you said, I mean, here's
the thing. Uh and I think they had an FBI profiler or somebody like talk about this case um after a couple years of
this happening. I think uh the cops eventually released >> the interrogation. And it's not an
interrogation, it's questioning. And I and I think that's what this FBI profiler was saying was like, look,
there was a couple points, maybe two or three, that you kind of knew it was a little bit [ __ ] and you didn't push
him, right? >> And you got to push him to either one, have him fumble too, you know, fumble up
more and he's already fumbling up. >> Or maybe if you push him, he'll start lying in some weird direction. Or maybe
at some point he'll it's like a game of chess and if you if the guy thinks you know if he can see that he's caught
three moves down the line maybe he just forfeits. >> Mhm. >> And they didn't do that. And um it's
it's a tough thing because you know when they initially questioned him he was being cooperative.
>> Yeah. >> And then when they found the car he was being cooperative. So you know I think a
lot of times in these cases we go they should have pushed him. Well, we I think we all wish that they would have, but
they did have somebody that was talking and being cooperative, so maybe they're just like, "Look, we don't want to we
don't want to get this guy defensive because once the guy lawyered up, he's not talking anymore." You're right. And
now we're not getting any more information. >> They lost everything. And and you're
exactly right. I I applaud you for for going to bat for the police department because who's to say we weren't in the
room. He could have shut down earlier. You're exactly right. And then we would have been still sitting here spinning
our tires, >> right? >> So, you could argue either way, you know, did the police screw up the
interrogation? Did they screw up the questioning? You could argue that either way. The the family, Kelsey's family is
going to say that they did. Um, I can see their side of it, but but but I can also see your side of it, Captain, where
we're not in the room. We don't know what would have happened. Well, we have a lot of friends that are cops and we
have a lot of friends that are detectives and and the the ones that we look, there's some cops that we know and
some detectives we know that we we think they're arrogant pricks, you know. >> Yeah.
>> Uh and those kind >> But we're friends with them. >> Yeah. Well, well, cuz we're arrogant
pricks. Uh but they like beer. Uh and you know, they also like to let us go when they pull us over. Um
>> not true. >> Oh, I don't know. >> They let you go. I >> No, no. Normally they hog tie me and
throw me in a field somewhere. But uh no, but what I'm trying the point I'm trying to make is that we know good cops
and bad cops and we know smart cops and dumb cops. And the smart cops will be the ones that will say that in any
investigation there will be mistakes, >> right? >> And and and I think we're all human. And
if you have >> I I think the smarter you get, the more you realize you don't know a bunch,
>> you know? So yeah, did they make some mistakes? Yes. Well, they're going to cuz they're human. Now,
>> the question is, how much mistakes did they make? And were those mistakes on purpose?
>> Yeah. Because Yeah. Because there's a difference in just being tactful and deciding that you you want to imply a
certain strategy and you don't want to push this guy too far. That's that's a judgment. That's an opinion call, right?
That's you're in the moment. That's your call. But Kelsey's family is going to argue that the police department has
mishandled this case very badly and to the point where the family filed a lawsuit against some of the Pueblo
police department members as well as Dante, his mother and grandmother. So this basically is because they believe
that Dante and his family to be guilty of crimes leading to and covering up Kelsey's murder. And then the police
department has failed to investigate this thing properly. >> Yeah. And it seems like if you go
through this lawsuit and you really with a fine tooth comb uh or in my case a nice beard comb um like you said
earlier, there's a lot of ticky tacky things that don't line, you know, where it's like maybe they made a mistake,
maybe it was a judgment call. Yeah. >> But there's one glaring thing that is like hold on.
>> Yeah. and it's the car. So when they took the car in, they process processed the car,
>> they claimed to the family that they didn't uncover any evidence that the car
was actually wiped clean. >> Yeah. I mean, this car should be a bucket full of evidence for these cops,
right? And instead, they're going to the family and they're saying that this is bad news. There's nothing here. Well,
the the Kelsey's family, they hire a private investigator. They get permission from the police department to
have their investigators process this car on their own. They want to doublech checkck their work. Right. Right.
>> And the police department, they do agree to allow the investigators to process
this car. The thing is though, there's some stipulations involved here. Right. The PBLO Police Department want to be
present when when the car is processed. That seems pretty normal to me, right? >> Um they do not want Kelsey's family to
be present for this processing of the car. That too makes sense to me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. There's logic
behind that. >> Yeah. And so they're going to have a meeting with these private investigators
just before the processing of this car. >> Mhm. >> And during this little meeting, maybe
it's impromptu or not, I don't know. But during this little meeting, it's explained to the investigators
that Yeah, we did we did process the call. >> Right. Right. The wait, the law law
enforcement is talking to the PIs. >> Yeah. It gets a little confusing because I guess they're all investigators. But
yeah, the Pueblo Police Department is telling the private investigators, "We did process the car. We weren't really
We weren't making anything up on that, right? >> We processed it and we did find
something in the trunk of the car." >> Oh, so it wasn't completely clean. >> Yeah. And it's something that they
believe to have Okay. They believed that they recovered a substance from the truck of the car. trunk of the car that
is consistent with dried bodily fluids >> and that they also recover two large palm prints off of the front seat uh off
of the headrest of the front seat, >> right? >> Uh the family, you know, they they have no idea about
this information. This is not information that was told to them. >> Well, let me play a little devil's
advocate, right? Okay. is that this is information that they found that is leading towards, you know, solving, you
know, and also maybe leading them towards an investigation of foul play and now viewing this as a homicide and
that they don't want to give this information to the family because they don't want to give this information to
the public. >> Right. Right. I get that. >> Just to play devil's advocate. >> I get But I get that. But there's a
little more to this story. Okay. >> So, not only did they find these items, right? But they al the family also came
into information that some evidence collected in this investigation for no known logical reason. This evidence has
never been submitted for analysis to any crime laboratory. So therefore, according to the law, this is a
deliberate attempt to conceal or destroy evidence because the longer that that evidence sits there without being
tested, right, >> we have things that we are losing time here. We are losing information.
>> Yeah. And so, you know, test test the fluid that you find and if it matches the DNA of Kelsey, then we would we can
investigate this as a homicide. But what who are these handprints? Now, the problem is is that you do have, you
know, your major suspect was in a relationship with Kelsey. And so, there are going to be, you know, his DNA is
going to be in the car. There's going to be fingerprints and handprints. >> Yeah. But but it does seem like the at
least the front of the car was kind of wiped to make a cover up. >> Well, and you pointed out something
earlier when you and I were talking about this case was that if if in fact that they they were stating the truth
and saying that the vehicle was in fact wiped clean. Well then that to you and to me and everybody else it should point
out something else that well it was wiped clean for a reason, >> right? >> You know, nobody's just driving around
in an immaculate car. It wasn't dropped off at at Walmart and then you had a detailer come in there and clean the
whole thing up. >> Well, and even if Kelsey cleaned the car before she took the 2-hour trip, she
took a 2-hour trip. >> Yeah. >> So, there's going to be, you know, think about how many times you touch the radio
dial or or move your hand on the steering wheel. You don't just wipe your car clean 10 and two with gloves on and
and and take a 2-hour trip. >> Two-hour trip. And then if you believe Dante's story, she slept in the car the
the night that she went that she disappeared. Dante's in the car with her the next day, according to his story,
taking her to the the hospital or the medical center. He's already admitted that he's in the vehicle going to the
ATM machine. We see him at the at the Walmart dropping it off. Now, we have some un unidentified man picking up and
moving the vehicle and and it's wiped. You have no evidence of any of this of any of these people,
>> right? And and so I don't believe law enforcement wiped down the vehicle, >> right?
>> So they did didn't find any evidence. I do believe there's some logical reason
why they didn't tell uh the family about their findings. >> There is no logical reason or
explanation in my mind that justifies why you didn't process that information. >> Right. Right.
>> I mean that that is just uncalled for. And again, it's a in a community that has a higher crime rate. So I understand
that there's a lot on their plate. You know where they say, you know, underpaid, overworked and underpaid, and
that's very true, but we got we got a missing girl here that was, you know, supposedly 8 weeks pregnant.
>> Mhm. >> So, I mean, this is a big deal. Does this place have a higher crime rate
because these guys can't solve any crimes? Is that is that what's happening? That the that the people are
just going, you know what, they'll never catch us. We can just do whatever we want. We're going to run a muck in the
streets here. So clearly this seems to be something that the PBLO Police Department that they couldn't handle
this case, right? >> Uh I'm sorry, but this appears to be above their pay grade as even more
disappointing. It doesn't seem to be that tough of a case to me, Captain. >> Right.
>> Uh >> but some of that is narcissism. Some of that is ego. And you see this time and
time again. And and does this law, you know, >> do they ask for help? Do they ask for
the FBI? >> Mm-m. Mm- Here's what happens. And you want to you want to hear my narcissism
and my ego here, right? Okay. >> I hear it every week. >> All right. Well, the captain reviewed
this case and and I tell you in 15 minutes he solved this thing and he didn't even have to leave the garage.
You know, I So, I don't understand why they couldn't figure it out. You But you're exactly right. When you have a
case here that you can't seem to handle it or you're not going to handle it properly, let's pass this thing on to
somebody else, a more capable group. Well, and I I don't have it solved. You know, you mean
>> you've not brought up anybody on charges? >> No. No, I'm not going to bring up
anybody on charges yet, but but there is a lot of questions. You know, I I think
we know who the key player is in this. >> But, you know, as we're getting in as we
get into this tomorrow, there's going to be a lot of other key people that we're
going to bring in that are suspects as well. >> Mhm. Now, you asked if they moved it to
anybody else. uh very recently they did transfer this case to CBI, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, which this
probably should have been done from the start. I'm sure Kelsey's family would tell would back me up on that. It sounds
like, you know, this is a this is a big step in the right direction. So, I I'm very happy to hear that it's moved to
CBI. >> Yeah. No. And I think that to me is, you know, when you're in law enforcement or
when you're in anything, start by lessening your ego, right? And going, maybe I just don't know. We had a case
here. I think it was last week, >> maybe two weeks ago, very recently, >> and so here's how I heard about it. On
Wednesday night, I'm I'm going through uh Facebook >> and I see missing girl, >> missing girl from Ohio State. Now, we
covered the Brian Schaefer case. covered Joey Leute, both students from Ohio State. So when I see that, I go, "Oh,
ears perk up." Okay. She was uh girl from Ohio State, Reagan Tukes, and she was a waitress at a place called Bodega,
and she went missing. >> Yeah. >> And she was leaving work, and they they don't know anything. So then wake up to
Thursday and uh the town that I live in, well, they found a body. >> Mhm. >> And this is like a couple miles from my
residency. So, I'm going, well, this is weird. And my first thought was, what if
it's the missing girl from my highest date, >> right? >> It comes to be that, you know, it is.
They then find her car on the Friday. >> Mhm. >> They then have a suspect in custody on
that Saturday. >> Mhm. >> And the reason why Gross City Police Department and Columbus Police
Department were able to do this is they called in the feds. They called in the CBI here. Uh and and they did that from
the beginning. >> Mhm. >> And so girl goes missing Wednesday, body's found on Thursday, car is found
on Friday, suspect is arrested and and obtained on Saturday. >> Yeah. It it and you know, we might have
some of those times a little off because we're going off of memory here, but this
was a case that moves so incredibly fast, right? >> You know, it was it was amazing to see
this whole machine at work here. And it's terribly unfortunate. We cannot bring uh you know, Miss Toes back. Um
and she was kidnapped for the most senseless of reasons. But it it it was so amazing to see that this thing moved
so fast. Like the captain said, they brought in the FBI very early. They were able to they were able to establish who
did this within three or 4 days. And they were there's a mountain of evidence on this guy. I mean, this looks like an
openandsh shut case, but because they did their due diligence, they got other agencies involved. They worked together
with one another, and they were able to piece this thing together very quickly. >> Right. And like I was saying, it's it's
back to the ego. And when I talked to a retired uh Gro City police uh detective,
>> he said I I said, "You know, I I really applaud you guys because this is a small
uh suburb and not a lot of crimes happen or not a lot of crimes are reported on and you have this girl found dead and
you guys >> instantly got people involved." And he and he was saying like, yeah, I mean,
especially, you know, he's an older retired detective and he's saying, "Yeah, these new detectives, they they
didn't even mess around. They didn't sit there and go, hey, by the way, we're the
smartest kids on the block. We're going to figure this out cuz, you know, two heads are always better than one." And
the other thing that was really interesting interesting to me in this case, I don't know if this was actually
reported anywhere, but what this retired detective told me was when they showed up at the crime scene, because they
it's, you know, it's a homicide and they don't do a lot of crime scene, uh, you know, forensic evidence collecting of a
homicide that they instantly called in Columbus homicide forensic unit and they came in to basically take over that side
of it >> and process the scene appropriately, >> right? And and and and have that be a
teaching tool >> for for the Grove City Police Department. And I thought that was
brilliant. And like I said, girl goes missing Wednesday, bodies found Thursday, cars found on Friday, and then
you got a suspect and he's arrested on Saturday. >> And not only that, they were able to use
technology to their to their advantage as well. And part of that, I wonder, was bringing in the FBI because we very
quickly saw the results of a DNA test that put him with the victim and put him with the victim's car, which I mean, we
saw a DNA test that the turnaround on this thing was hours, >> right? >> You know, not days, weeks, or months.
Uh, so this might have been the FBI's doing as well as they were able to track his movements through a monitoring
system that he was he had been released from prison. He was being monitored. So >> horrible individual and and our thoughts
and prayers obviously go out to Reagan uh Tuk's family and and everybody that knew her.
>> Absolutely. >> It was definitely a tragedy for you know you know even if you didn't go to Ohio
State if you're a high state fan you just hate to hear you know about a student going missing.
>> Well it's a tragedy for the community. It really is. >> All right so back to Kelsey's. You know
that's a little side note. A lot of people asking me about that case um this last couple weeks. Um, but back to
Kelsey's case. So, what happened with this lawsuit? >> So, the lawsuit, while it seems it seems
valid, you know, for the most part, the the problem here is it's very tough to sue law enforcement when they're in the
process of investigating your your a crime. >> Um, because they have to have certain
immunities. And on top of that, you cannot just go around just because you don't think the police did something
correctly. You have to have actual evidence. You have to have strong evidence that they that they miscarried
justice to have a valid lawsuit. So, I believe that while you might have some information here that would would point
towards the guilt of Dante or family members that they may have been involved in something here, the problem is this
lawsuit was carried out against the police department and Dante's family as well.
>> So, as soon as you throw those police members in there, well, that gets that gets very tough for this thing to go to
actual court because they have to be able to investigate. They have to be able to conduct their business without
people just walking around suing them constantly. >> And I think the thing about law
enforcement or detectives, you know, the question is, was somebody a dumbass or was somebody an [ __ ]
>> You know what I mean? Was the law enforcement did they do something that was just stupid and they just didn't
process something correctly or whatever? Or or were they doing something malicious? And I think most of the time
you can er on the side of they were just dumbass and then if they did cover something up it was cuz they were a
dumbass and then they had to cover up that they were a dumbass. >> Yeah. I don't think I didn't see anybody
here. It's Dumas. I didn't see anybody here purposely covering things up for for any reason that they want to cover
up this crime. >> It it looked to me like laziness really is what I saw a lot of. Maybe you have a
situation where you have a lot of guys that are close to retirement. You know, they're getting a little long in the
tooth and they've done this job for a long time and and it's kind of worn out. The question is, and we're going to talk
about this more tomorrow, but if if it wasn't just Dante that was involved, >> it was family members of Dante's that
was involved that maybe their connections lead up to law enforcement. >> Yeah. >> And that's obviously a possibility. I
think it's a far stretch, but there's so much more to dive into in this case, and
we should jump into that tomorrow. >> Yep. Yep. >> But but the lawsuit was dropped.
>> The lawsuit was in fact dropped. Yes. >> Right. So, tomorrow we're going to dive
into the new theory that they have on this case. We're going to dive into some of the weird social media stuff
happening with this case. >> Very weird. >> Uh also some weird stuff going on at
Dante's mother's house. >> Yeah. Possible new evidence. >> Mhm. And then the family actually turns
to a psychic detective. So, we're going to talk about those findings and uh and and what our thoughts on that are.
>> Uh recommended reading for this week, I'm recommending You Got to Be Dirty, The Outlaws Motorcycle Club in and
around Wisconsin by Michael Grogan. Uh this is >> that's my safe word. You got to be
dirty. >> In 1964, a disheveled band of motorcyclists suddenly appeared in Milwaukee. And over the course of the
next decade, the Outlaws Motorcycle Club became synonymous with acts of intimidation and violence. This group of
renegade bikers became known as the Wrecking Crew. Wisconsin investigators have linked the members of the Outlaws
to at least 11 slangs. This is the true story of the Outlaws Motorcycle Club, the biker gang that intimidated law
enforcement and killed eyewitnesses. So, pick up You Got to Be Dirty. the Outlaws
Motorcycle Club in and around Wisconsin by Michael Grogan by going to our website trueimegar.com and click on the
recommended page. Thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for sharing on social media and we'll see you guys in the
garage tomorrow. Cheers, mates. >> And until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter.
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Kelsie Schelling /// Part 1 /// Episode: 83

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Kelsie Schelling was 21 years old and 8 weeks pregnant when she vanished on February 4, 2013. She had the first doctor's visit of her pregnancy earlier that day. After the trip to the doctor and a shift at work, Kelsie drove two hours to Pueblo, Colorado to visit her boyfriend and father of her child, Donthe Lucas. What happened once Kelsie got to Pueblo remains a mystery. She hasn't been seen since. Kelsie Schelling is 26 years old. She is 5 foot 3 inches tall, 120 pounds, and she is white with brown hair and hazel eyes. She was last seen on February 4, 2013 in the area of Manor Ridge Drive and Siena Drive in Pueblo Colorado. If you have any information please call the CBI at 719-647-5999 or to remain anonymous contact Pueblo Crime Stoppers at 719-542-STOP or www.pueblocrimestoppers.comThere is a large reward for Kelsie's return or location.

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Brief Summary

Kelsey Shelling, 21 and pregnant, vanished in 2013; her boyfriend Dante Lucas remains a key suspect in her disappearance.

Key points

Kelsey Shelling's Disappearance. Kelsey Shelling, 21 and pregnant, vanished on February 4, 2013, after visiting her boyfriend.
Increased Reward for Information. The reward for information leading to Kelsey's return has been raised to $100,000.
Missing Pregnant Woman. A young woman, 8 weeks pregnant, goes missing, prompting urgent police involvement.
Discovery of Kelsey's Car. Kelsey's car is found after a week, raising serious concerns about her safety.
ATM Footage Raises Questions. Dante is seen using Kelsey's ATM card, leading to suspicions about his involvement.
No Evidence of Kelsey at Medical Center. Investigators reveal no footage or records of Kelsey at the Park View Medical Center.

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Episode quotes

She's deeply loved and deeply missed.

Kelsey's mother expressing her pain over her daughter's disappearance.

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Tension

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