Kayelyn Louder /// Part 1 /// 292 | Forensic Files

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crime [Music] [Music] amory family issued another plea to help find their loved one who tonight remains
in this Suzanne louder says she talked to her daughter the day she disappeared in Kaelyn seemed fine but police tell a
different story they say she acted very unusual leading up to her disappearance she called 911
three times reporting a fight at a burglary that officers say didn't happen and two surveillance videos show louder
having animated conversations with herself police found no evidence of foul play
[Music] January 21st 1984 twins are born in American Fork Utah the twins names Kailyn and Colton louder
the proud parents are Jesse and Suzanne ladder little Kaelyn was a funny kid she
loved her siblings and enjoyed teasing them she loved her friends and she was a friend to all Kaelyn enjoyed reading
sharing books and riding horses and here's something that I absolutely love captain Kaelyn was so competitive very
competitive in fact she was so fiercely competitive playing Scrabble that no one
liked to play Scrabble with her Kaelyn attended and graduated from Lehigh High School she enrolled at Utah State
University and graduated in 2006 earning a bachelor's degree in social work she lived her life devoted to helping others
so it makes so much sense that she wanted to become a social worker and at age 25 she's gonna have a major event
happen in her life yeah and this involves Kalin's twin brother Colton who was 25 as well obviously this takes
place on February 27 2009 in American Fork Utah Boulton is at his uncle's house this is
Colton's mother's brother forty-five year old Jeffrey Ackerman this is a Friday and Jeffrey Ackerman is in his
driveway loading some four-wheelers this is because he's planning to go for a ride for the weekend now around 12:45 in
the afternoon witnesses say they heard two men arguing well the shouting turned into a gunshot one homeowner looked out
his window and saw Jeffrey Ackerman chasing a man through his yard and then across the street and into a field the
man being chased turned around in shot Ackerman three to four times in the stomach and chest
police were called this is just your average American neighborhood you know basketball hoops and white picket fences
and we have a man down shot multiple times police on the way with scared neighbors and a gun man on the loose as
this whole thing is unfolding the police assessing what happened tending to the victim trying to get him medical
attention and searching for the shooter three schools in the area were put under
lockdown for a couple of hours and police asked all three schools not to transport students with buses students
who usually walked called their parents then around 2:00 p.m. someone at a nearby medical clinic saw
the suspect standing near a car the witness alerted the police the man was cornered by police and the suspect
raised his hands in the air and shouted I didn't do it the man did not try to run from what the police say and the
police found a gun a 45 automatic on the hood of a car parked at the clinic they
arrested the suspect the shooter turned out to be Colton louder Jeffrey Ackerman was pronounced dead at
the hospital police shut down the area for hours to gather evidence and interview witnesses
then they charged Colton with murder there was some confusion in this case it was it wasn't such a cut-and-dried case
on the surface it seems pretty easy you have the dumb he is now dead and then you have
the suspected shooter with a gun in custody and you're charging him with murder why you arrest him
yeah so you have the victim you find the shooter this all happens within just a couple of hours but truly no one really
knew what went down except for the shooter and the victim and here we have a scenario where eyewitness reports are
that the shooter was at one time being chased by the gunshot victim there were stories out there at the time that
Colton was a known drug user and was in the area breaking into and stealing stuff from garages or that he was caught
by his uncle stealing stuff out of his garage another theory presented was Colton was over at his uncle's because
uncle Jeffrey was trying to help Colton get off of drugs and somehow an argument
between the two broke out so picture this for a bit shall we mm-hmm we have a family where one family
member is the victim and the other is the likely killer so you are both grieving and shocked and each on two
different levels one of the officers involved said he was on the scene and a vehicle pulled up to him and behind the
wheel driving is a lady that he recognized and she tells the officer I hear the victim was my brother what's
going on and to which he has to tell her yes ma'am I know and we have apprehended
the suspect and it's your son yeah well through some very good and I want to really applaud the legal teams here
both sides the prosecution and the defense for really doing their due diligence here because the truth about
what went down that day was really none of what we just mentioned through toxicology tests they were able to
determine that both Colton the shooter and the deceased victim were high on drugs right this during the time of the
shooting right so we have a situation where we thought that his uncle was trying to help him get clean but in
reality they were doing drugs together yes and in fact the deceased Geoffrey Ackerman was on a
buffet of drugs according to the toxicology test well normally what I like to do drugs I like to do a buffet
as well so both did a considerable amount of methamphetamines just before the shooting so what we have here is
people on the inner circles of each of these men they tell investigators that when Colton louder does drugs he gets
very paranoid right and then others say when Jeffrey Ackerman does drugs he gets
very angry so now you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce how this cookie crumbled because both are lit up
like Christmas trees and then an argument slash fight breaks out and the paranoid guy shoots the very angry scary
guy well and I'm glad you're not Sherlock Holmes because that make me Watson well and because of these
circumstances and some other circumstances the prosecution and defense are going to work out a deal and
on November 17th 2009 Kalin's twin brother pleads guilty to manslaughter charges and is sentenced to
five years in prison for the killing of their uncle Jeffrey Ackerman yeah technically he gets five years to life
in prison yeah well and you know what captain I want to point out how smart and caring this family is the louder
family I thought you guys say me before we move on okay so this is a terrible horrible tragedy but the louder family
was strong enough that they could both mourn the loss of one of their own and still support and care for one of their
own you know they didn't take sides during this they simply had to say look this is something that we all hate but
it happened and it so obviously would not have happened without drugs ruining both of these men's lives and now we
have to support a family member as much as we can who is now behind prison walls
yeah and because look the family members don't want their family members to be drug addicts and you know when you're
going down to the Golden Corral you're filling up on on rugs and then you go then this happens
right and then you go you're you technically losing both family members one is now deceased but one you're
losing to the prison system yeah and in our story today our case today is not so
much about Colton louder it's much more about his twin sister Kailyn louder so let's fast forward to 2014 because at
some point later in the year this would have been late August or early September
of 2014 right Kailyn lost her job she was working at a private boys school this seems to be as a result of maybe a
schedule conflict because it appears that she was working two jobs Kailyn was working for rover comm which is a
house-sitting dog sitting dog walking you know online business right and my guess here is that there may have been a
scheduling conflict meaning they might have been able to prove that we might have a situation where she called off
work one day at the boys school and they found out she was actually dog sitting or working for somebody else so other
than that I don't really know the full particulars of her losing her job but in late September this is when things get
strange so Kailyn calls 926 then we'll go through these in detail in just a minute right the next day Saturday
September 27th 2014 Kailyn calls 911 she is last seen on surveillance video leaving her condo and this footage is
from Saturday September 27th and around 7:00 p.m. after the third 9-1-1 call correct Kailyn louder is reported
missing on Wednesday October 1st 2014 now this is according to the Daily Mail police were first alerted to Miss
louder's disappearance on Wednesday after her roommate realized she had not seen or heard from her for a while
according to an interview with Kalin's mother cousin on that Monday right so Kailyn is
last seen on Saturday on that Monday just two days after Kalin's mother tells kailyn's father how weird it is that she
is not heard from Caitlin all right so on the Friday we got two 9-1-1 calls Saturday one call and then she's seen on
camera leaving her condo nobody hears from her this is now the Monday yes and so I guess they checked in fairly
regular almost daily so after her mother tells her father hey I've not heard from
her he tries to get ahold of her but without any luck then Kalin's roommate calls Susanne Kalin's mother on that
Tuesday and asked her have you seen Kailyn I haven't seen her for a couple of days that is when the family begins
to panic the next morning her father goes to her condo and he does not find Kahlan but he finds her phone purse and
dog which is interesting I mean who cares really much about the purr something that probably has her ID in it
and that's interesting but her dog mm-hmm you gonna want to take care of your dog yeah and one thing I want to
point out real quick too is regarding Kaylin's car keys mm-hmm so most of the articles out there regarding this case
state that she left behind her phone keys purse in the dog and I want to try to this isn't really gonna clear
anything up but going to directly to the source let's say I did find an interview
with the parents where they state that her car keys were gone so I know that kind of just makes things confusing I'm
going to go with what they say because they have more a more vested interest in finding her than anyone else so let's go
with if they say the car keys were gone they were gone while the car keys probably has her condo keys on it and
this is a pretty nice condo unit right mm-hmm well so the other thing too captain is Caitlin's immediate family
they were very involved in the search for their daughter and their sister the missing fliers
distributed they they distributed them they put things online asking anyone for help in seeking information the the
Flyers list Kalyan louder as missing from Murray Utah since September 27 2014 aged 30 at the time 5 foot 8 inches tall
right and weighing about 130 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes her condo was
at the Willows condominiums and she was in condo F at 5,500 willow lane now let's circle back real quick and go
through some of this stuff in detail starting with the 911 calls the first call is to report a fight this is on
Friday night right the first call Kaelyn makes this call from her cell phone around 9:00 p.m. and she's reporting
that there's a large fight at her condos clubhouse there was an event there that
night so this is not completely out of left field there was a wedding reception there that night in Kaitlyn's call she
states that she heard gunshots or that she believes there were guns involved now I state this because we don't have
that actual call to listen to I couldn't find that call to actually listen to I can only reference what was reported
later now the problem here is police do respond they arrive responding to this call and when they arrived they did find
that the party was actually a wedding reception and the police say there appeared to be no evidence of any type
of violence or guns at this party then the second 9-1-1 call that came that same night again this is the day before
she was last seen right this time she calls an hour after the first call switch 10:30 yeah so she hangs up before
911 picks up the call the dispatcher decides to call her back now according to reports they
state that on the tape she sounds confused and has trouble remembering her address
she is mumbling and difficult to understand at one point she tells the dispatcher her roommate thinks she is
confused quote my friend told me I'm delusional and paranoid she tells the dispatcher she also told the operator
that this is a little strange because we don't have the full conversation to reference what she might mean by some of
the stuff but she also told the operator that she lived in a don't tell don't metal type of community and she didn't
want to endanger her friends so that's the events that we know of that Friday and those are the two 911 calls and now
we're two Saturday and we have the third 9-1-1 call but we actually have a copy of that yeah in the audio I gotta warn
everyone the audio is a little bit tricky here for a couple reasons one at the beginning it's a lot of back and
forth between the dispatcher and kalynn he's trying to figure out her location so they've naturally bleeped those
things out that information out before they release this as well as I don't believe that the reception was super
great at her condo not on the edges of your emergency well repeat the address for verification they're stealing okay
say your address one more time I'm having a hard time hearing you worried and the phone number you're calling from
no one my house and repeat the phone number for verification okay do you know who this person is no I thought there's
an intruder in the house you don't know who they are no I don't and let me talk to you looking for it from wearing socks
I'm worried about my baby please hurry are you at the location now yes I am where weapons involved are
mentioned they're not talking or spotting on this toilet elite so I can hear them good evening so you haven't
seen them you can just hear them yes are you or anyone else in immediate danger I believe so
okay are you able to get yourself to safety um I just want to answer that one acute here I'm sorry what
No can you talk freely with me yeah okay where exactly are you already the back bedroom good
ah enter the building there's only one door hold on website okay where the possible
exits from the building there's only one get out is there anyone else in the building who belongs there
yes apartment I'm sorry what yeah there's six people take apartment okay there but anybody else in your apartment
that should be there I believe she's here I remain where she at yes okay I'm just
gonna stay on the line with you until officers get there okay just let me know if anything changes
what is your last name flower and your first name Kayla it's what - one can you still hear them yeah where
does it sound like there at the front room this small place shut up are they singing
yeah I heard some of the hate going there so there's obviously two of them Carol off the door keeping out of there
come here yeah we might as well okay what's going on now hey okay they left babe left now
yeah so I'm just looking to you if anything's been taken so I won't open the door I heard them comment so I know
that this hour they went at all no don't don't you that LC circuit so close to Las Vegas how to hear something because
when I I took the dog out as four people talking there was people last night like
sitting outside the window and so they're like we're scoping it out or something
nobody knows about okay not like the fake e4i Tateishi yes nobody knows about it
optical well I took it out like I had on my person wears on someone open the door
and there's actually like like no no Rachel like people being get out there all the time and here's the thing this
state is fate I mean and then that why is taking them so long well I kind of signed up so I heard like
two people talking all right is the offensive flow what was that is the officer quo I'm not
sure where they're coming from but on the way I devoted for me from you I think you want and that you want on them
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garage for 15% off today [Music] all right Cheers me mateys cheers captain through the glass so this
call that was made this is from Kalin cellphone and the call came in at 818 a.m. during this call she is locked in
her bedroom so the people that she thinks that she thinks that are in her condo they would be in the other room in
the front room as she's explaining to the dispatcher right but I I would argue that she has our door open her bedroom
door open I think what we have here so this kid this call is quite confusing for many reasons okay first of all we
have Kaelyn on the phone she's talking to the 911 dispatcher and then at some point she is yelling at the people that
she thinks are in her condo the intruder or intruders right but then she also starts having a conversation with her
roommate who was home during this whole event right but she was in our room right so I think what we have here is I
don't know the layout of this condo other than the way that it's described or hearing the way they talk about it in
this call but it sounds to me like you you would have at least a main room a front room that that goes right to the
entrance okay and then Kalin's in her bedroom her roommate is in I guessing in her bedroom right in a set in a separate
bedroom that is next door to Kalin's and you hear them discussing a bathroom at some point or a restroom at some point
and so there's a third room which is that the the restroom so I'm guessing we don't have any visuals here so I'm just
guessing that at the beginning of the call Kaelyn might be locked in her room thinking that the intruders are in the
front room she's called 9-1-1 and at some point when her roommate realizes what's going on they're either talking
the door or Kalin's door is opened at some point and there they're talking face-to-face
yeah and multiple times during the call you can hear somebody other than Kalin it's not clear if that's the roommate
behind her bedroom door laughing or making the noise or saying something or is it coming from the front room mm-hmm
again we don't have any visuals but it sounds as if her roommate comes out of her room mm-hmm and then they start
having a conversation well if those noises weren't her then obviously those are noises coming from some bay from the
front room mm-hmm well and to add to the confusion here it sounds to me as if when she's talking to the roommate or
yelling at the believed intruders at times she might even be pulling her phone away from from her as she's doing
so right and our case is Kailen louder well her roommates name is Carol so sometimes when they're interacting with
each other it's hard to decipher if someone's saying Kalyn or Carol yeah we try to clean up this audio as much as we
could but the nine one one dispatcher he's clear but on there and they're a little muffled yeah and he's having
trouble understanding what's going what's going on with the situation or the reception itself or both at one
point when the roommates coming out of her room you also hear a little bit more commotion so is it just the commotion
from the roommate coming out of her room or is there commotion from the front room and the roommate because right
after that commotion she says I think they left yeah my first impression of this call and Kalyn that we hear there
is she sounds afraid to me you know that that's very clear and very obvious so whatever is either going on or whatever
she thinks is going on she's afraid and so I think we we should point that part out now there there are
some different interesting things within this call one being you know she is communicating
with who she believes has broken into her home saying telling the operator they're stealing [ __ ] from my house
yelling at the intruder get the F out of my house and then at some point you hear
the roommate come in and say look there's there's not an intruder mm-hmm Kalin tells the roommate don't do that
Carol I don't know what that means I don't know if she's opening attempting to open up a door at that point right
right but then Carol points out to Kalin the bolts are locked it's impossible meaning
it's impossible that there was an intruder nobody's come in to which Kalin responds they must have a key or
something yeah which is strange but at the same time it's like I don't know the distance from that room where there's
where they're at or did they move to the front room to see clearly because sometimes you can go into a room and at
a glance you think that that the deadbolt is locked mm-hm and then once you get closer yo
nah that's not locked well is it a mistake on the roommates part and then by having her having a
mistake that people start going well we don't know if Kalin was of her right mind yeah yeah and our friend John
Lordan from brain scratch yeah she cool pins that's right he you know when he listens to these
calls and I'm going from his show information he gives his opinion and he points out some interesting things he
says look if if Kalin is in her room and her roommate is home mm-hmm he says I don't know why she doesn't assume that
the noises she's hearing are either coming from the roommate maybe the roommates watching TV or an action film
or listening to the radio anything you know other than first jumping to the thought that there's an intruder right
but that's where to me if you lived in any of these small apartments if you're in your room and your doors locked you'd
have a hard time distinguishing what's coming from the main room or somebody else's bedroom but if your bedroom door
is open then you're going okay I can clearly hear what's coming from her bedroom and whatever sounds I'm
hearing in the front room are not the sounds that I'm hearing coming from my my roommates room yeah and I don't know
the the layout of their condo with inside their condo but I do know the layout of the condo complex and I can
say this they are sharing walls with neighbors so right and so you know anybody that's lived in an apartment or
a dorm or condo you know that you it's not tough to to hear your neighbors from time to time yes there's that Mitch
Hedberg bit where he says he'd blast his music in his neighborhood always come knocking on his wall to tell him to turn
down and he'd always go up to the wall and go go around there's no door on my side well the other thing too is when
she's yelling at the intruders one thing that I found interesting and I know we all behave differently in a panic
situation mm-hmm but at no time does she say like hey I'm on the phone with the police or you
better get out of here I'm calling the cops you know well she does they get out of
my house that's true that's true right yeah but you're right she should be gone if if you would threaten hey I'm
gonna call the cops I'm on the phone with the cops hmm but she's not trying to be quiet about
being on the phone with 911 no it's not like she's whispering huddled in her closet or in a corner somewhere I think
she has her bedroom door open and I think she's looking down the hallway or whatever and I and I think what's
strange to me is the shut up mm-hmm the shut up it's like are they laughing you know well there's a laugh in there yeah
let's play that play the laugh real quick can you still hear them yeah if you listen closely in between they're
talking you'll kind of hear hahahahahaha mm-hmm let's play it one more time can you still hear them yeah so that's
clearly something a laughter but it could be from a television it could be coming from her roommates room or it
could be coming from the front room the way I take this might you know just trying to make logic of it I wonder if
that's the roommate laughing like oh here we go again you know she's calling the police and
there's clearly nobody here like not laughing at Cailin but laughing at the situation because it's you know it's you
know no I understand that but when we first started diving into this case and you start seeing stuff on reddit that
maybe something was going on with Caitlin mentally I don't hear it in our voice no and I don't hear somebody
that's not coherent there's not one time that she's asked a question that she doesn't answer right
she's she's pretty clear with her answers now the operator seems to have some trouble either understanding her or
maybe this is some kind of smart way of clarifying right you know because he knows that he's sending officers into a
situation into which the call comes in there's intruders in her home she reports that they probably have weapons
they have guns and that she feels that she her life or she's in some type of physical danger right but again he's
gone okay whew where's the entrance hmm you know or how many entrances are there
are there exit you know are there exit points yeah and then he talks about well are there other people there well yeah
the roommate but at some point she goes there's six apartments meaning there's six units and again this
is not her making a statement that's out of nowhere so I I don't see well and we're in regards to the entrance or
other exits she this is very specific she says there is only one and it's on the west side right and
and now I am and we gotta go based off evidence so it's just so strange to me that we don't have the first two nine
one one cause right Joe quarts of what more discussed during those is it very possible that there's some people
messing with her she's going outside you know some teenagers maybe or young twenty some year olds that are messing
with her and they decided to open up the door and and sit down on their her couch
and maybe the TV's on you know you know if somebody is somebody messing with her
because also when she starts talking to the roommate its its muffled so we can't
actually hear what the roommates saying but at the same time she's going well it's impossible and and then the
roommate says well what about the other key like you know like a key that was hidden outside or something right
there's that point so if the roommate which nobody is saying is having some mental break is trying to come up with
some logical reasons then maybe you know Kailen is actually calling for a purpose
well we should point out that the police did arrive later at the condo and their
report was that they found no evidence of a break-in well let me play the clip again of where
the roommate sounds like she's coming out of the room and you can hear Kaylin say I think they just left or maybe they
just left [Music] Carol off door and sleeping on there but here ya see my block okay what's going on now
hello okay they left babe left now yeah so I'm just looking to you if anything's
been taken all right so to explain that the best way I can there is some kind of
noise doors opening or closing it definitely sounds like the roommate but I can't be for sure that it's just the
roommate and not the main door to their place right and so she yells at some point I think the door opening startled
her maybe it's the roommate again maybe it's a combination of both but right after
she says lock your door or something like that and then at some point as she's still talking to her roommate she
says come here to the roommate mm-hmm and then the roommate goes there so again if this person is acting out of
their mind quote-unquote then why would you be going into the room why would you
be listening to her and then she's going I think they left I heard a noise I think they're gone now I see my roommate
mm-hm and then the cop says hey what's going on and she goes I think they left what are you doing now I'm gonna go
check to see if they took anything now I don't know about you but if I called the
cops and that's that's how this conversation would go down right well in and then I hear her say they might as
well so I think too that she might be being asked by the roommate if the if the cops do we still need the cops or
are they still on their way and I think she's responding well they might as well
you know they're all cuz she knows according to what she's been told by the dispatcher that they're already in route
right and then the call drops off after someone rings the doorbell right which we could assume is the cops could be the
cops and so then the the call ends there okay guys the cops are here I do want to
point this out I don't think from what I hear that there was an intruder and I also
think that possibly but that doesn't mean that somebody's going out of their mind because no because if you have
noises coming from the roommate you have maybe some noises coming outside right from outside plus you have your
apartments connected to another apartment so you have noises coming from there is it possible that she went to go
out of a room something kind of startled her and then when she stopped to listen
for a while there was noises that she couldn't explain mm-hmm and then she called the cops hey I think somebody's
in my house right and then the cops come and they say there's nobody in the house how many
how many times do you think they get calls every month of you know I could hear crash in my garage that this
happened to me one night I hear crash in my garage it's like 11:30 at night and I
and there was kids going around the neighborhood or maybe they weren't kids at night when there was garage doors
open they were going in and just grabbing whatever and taken off mhm and so I hear this crash in my garage and
it's 11:30 at night and I pause and think should I call the cops so my first thought was let me open up the door
right so I opened up the door turning on the light well guess what the garage door was closed and something just fell
over but it would have been unreasonable if I would have called the cops right and then they show up and they and they
and they determined that nobody broke into my house oh wow well like I was saying I I don't think from what I can
hear there I would I wouldn't say that there were intruders into the condo however this thing in the these are
other people's words that I found online people commenting and posting comments regarding this situation where people
say well she's clearly crazy she's clearly delusional out of her mind to remind everybody that post something
like that this young woman is only out of her mind if there's no one there we don't we can't say for certain that
there was no one there from what I hear it doesn't sound like there was anyone there but what I don't like about this
situation is at no point at no time could I find the roommate who was clearly there commenting regarding this
situation clearing up what what may or may not have been going on right the family is very upfront very up you know
forward with leading the search and looking for their daughter and their sister and they are in the press they
are commenting they are doing interviews and I understand that doesn't work for everybody but somebody the one person
that that is still available that could clear up what could have been going on on Friday night as well as what could
have been going on Saturday morning I couldn't find any at any point that they ever gave a statement yeah but no
everything he said there was great but you have a family saying we talked to her she didn't seem like she was off her
rocker right right then her mother her mother spoke to her so so I'll take you through
that scenario real quick yeah okay so her mother Kalin's mother Suzanne louder says that
she spoke to Kailyn on this same day that Kaylin sounded normal to her and from what I found Kaylin checked in
often almost daily with her family and I think that was most the time with her mother so if anyone is going to be aware
that something was wrong just by going by Kaylin stone or Kalin's voice I'm very confident her mother would be able
to decipher that just from a phone conversation but to be clear I don't have the time of that phone call from
her mother to Kalyn but her mother does state that it was the morning of the disappearance which
was that 9-1-1 call was the morning as well right but do we have a comment from the mother saying hey I've listened to
this 911 call and this that's my daughter and and it doesn't sound odd to me because
it doesn't see it sound odd to me mm-hmm you know again there might not be somebody in the apartment but is that
just a mistake that she made I believe the the family's statement regarding this 9-1-1 call and the surveillance
footage which we will get to is that that maybe some of it seems strange but not all of it seems strange and I think
I think what comes up most of the time in in the media was the surveillance footage so they may simply be responding
to that the problem is their daughter is missing and when she is missing there's
so many people in the public and it's saying they're not responding well to it the citizens the public is not
responding well to this missing woman because the public's perception by some were oh this person this person lost it
she's delusional delusional and she either ran away or harmed herself so therefore the the the alert level is not
of great concern as far as the public goes and when you're her family who need to find their daughter all you have is
the public's help you're crying out to the public help us find our daughter and and one thing that I love that they they
stood by and kept reiterating you hear in that clip that we played for the trailer the news clip where the mother
almost goes out of the way to say our college graduate daughter right and I think the and then she goes on to
describe her personality a little bit I think that that was very smart on the family's behalf because I think at that
time what's going on is they're saying you know what we desperately need the help of the public to help find our
daughter while they pray and read a lot of books you know and we need them to see her as as a person as a real-life
living breathing human being with feelings that's just as normal as everybody else out there and I think
that's their way of pushing past hey it doesn't matter whatever you think is going on in these
on these 9-1-1 calls but on the surveillance footage this person still missing finding her is the goal not so
much figuring out what's going on right so listening to this tape I mean your gut feeling is there's not somebody
there that's fine I could I could agree with that on some level I don't think there's any solid proof that we hear
somebody else I mean there's the times that we even hear laughter it's again you could just say it was the roommate
that would make logical sense but what's your gut feeling on her mind state at this point um that's difficult that's
very difficult because like I said it's only this is only the delusional if there was in fact no one there and I I
don't ya think that there was someone there but but regarding her words and her answers to the dispatcher and how
she responds to questions mm-hmm she doesn't sound delusional to me yeah it's also difficult to because obviously we
didn't personally know her so we don't know anything of her we don't have like speeches of hers to go over to determine
how she was normally so but again I'm going to go with the family if they're saying we talked to her and we listened
to this tape and we don't think that she sounds like she lost it I'm gonna go with their thought now on to the
surveillance camera footage this is from the parking lot of her condominium complex this shows her leaving her condo
and this footage is from Saturday September 27th I have a report that states one video is from 3:30 p.m. and
one video is from 5:45 p.m. most reports stating that Kalyn is last seen on surveillance video around 7:00 p.m. so I
just want to go into it like that because that's the information that is out there there are six videos that were
made public and we found all six of them on ksl news on their website and we'll put a link on our website
true-crime garage comm so you can follow that as we talk about it so on video one the the first video I
want to point out that the rain is not as heavy in this video clearly not heavy rain a lot of the news articles state
that there was heavy rain that day thunderstorms torrential downpours that's not what's going on in this first
clip the first video I see little to actually no rain at all possibly a Kalyan is seen in jean shorts and a tank
top with no shoes on I do want to point out the red car that is on the left side
of the screen just make a mental note of that car as we're going through these different videos now on to video two
this one is the one of Kalyan running this is kind of the the quote-unquote famous one will say a lot of online
commenters comment or say that she appears to be running from something in this video however I see more of a jog
rather than a dead sprint I actually think she appears to possibly be running toward something rather than away from
something I believe that that she is also kind of watching her step yes she appears to be watching her step as she
runs so more concerned about the possibility of stepping on something sharp rather than whatever people posters
commenters say could be chasing her and then too she appears to be checking for uncoming for oncoming traffic as she's
running out into the parking lot so again not someone that is terrified of whatever she is running from I believe
you know here we have these actions that she's not actually running from anything
regardless if we can see it or not I don't believe she's running from something there appears to be something
in her left hand as she's running it took me a few times of watching it to to see something and maybe I'm just seeing
something that's not there but it appears to me that there's something in her hand now this could be possibly a
white cell phone it could be keys I don't know what it is but that kind of goes back to my
point of I feel like she's running to something you know like like you don't put on your shoes every time if you're
just gonna run outside real quick and hand something off to the driver of a car or if you're running next door to
deliver something to you know a neighbor at some point yeah or maybe it has something to do with her dog but we have
this moon car that's in the first video not in the second video and also it shows up again magically in the third
video mm-hmm well in video three this is the one where Kailyn is talking some say that
she is talking to herself and I believe police even stated that in their comments regarding this footage that
look sorry but she's clearly talking to her dog Phyllis Phyllis is a small black
pug yeah and her dog is outside with her everyone that I know talks to their pets
and she's proud of the white it's a white bag to pick up the poop well at this point it's clearly a white bag but
the reason why I suggested possibly other items for video too is only because we have a list of items that
were said we're left behind and I can't clearly decipher that that's a bagging video to where you can in video three
and so what I think we have here is some people they like to spin a nice yarn right and it's a better story if she's
out in the parking lot talking to herself but I'm sorry people that's not what's going on she's talking to her dog
very likely trying to encourage her dog to go to the restroom because it's it's sprinkling outside there's a light rain
at this time I what's the command it's normally make right make possibly yeah but I do want to point out as you
pointed out captain everybody note that the red car is back again on the left side of the screen
right and then on the fourth video it's gone I can but there is a white bag there's a
grocery bag that's on the right-hand side that is now there so that bag is lying on the the pavement right but
that's not the one she's holding you can still see her holding a bag yeah and I actually think if if you go back and
look at video one tour maybe it would be you and three I think it might already be there man these they don't listen to
our show don't let her people so video for this video most point out that Kalin is looking around quite a bit
and some people of course their imagination starts to wander and they go well she she's probably looking around
for something that either she thinks is there or that somebody's chasing her but
again using logic here I think what we have is a situation where she's now back outside with the dog and she's probably
put the dog down in the grassy area that's that's just behind her she's on the pavement I think she's put the dog
down and with her looking around it could be she's either looking for other animals if any but neighbors are walking
around or looking around to make sure that her dog went to the restroom so they can go back in at this point it
does appear to me that it's raining or I'm sorry does not appear to me to be raining in this video so a break in the
rain this would be a good opportunity to take the dog outside and it as you pointed out captain she is holding a
small white plastic bag in her right hand at that time so again I think that any of her actions and movements in this
video are in regards to her dog Phyllis yeah what a what a great name for a pug right mm-hmm
no I agree with you I think she is talking to the dog and I think the dog was out there in the first video that we
just didn't see and she possibly ran not away from anything because it looks like
she had her like run to go get something almost like oh crap I forgot a bag right
or I forgot whatever right so she runs back comes back the dogs there all right make make do your
business and we see that maroon car but then the last footage we don't the last video she's not in the video but we do
see a red car that goes through ok well so but video 5 huh we need to get to first so this video number 5 is quite
different and there is some confusion on regarding what is in this video but what
I believe it's showing is Kalin's roommate not Kaelyn I believe we see Kalin's roommate she walks out of that
same area that Kaelyn had walked out of now note the blue car to the right of the roommate as she is walking out to
the parking lot and then over to the garages so what you can't see from from this video is the layout of the condos
so you have the condos then you have that giant boulder rock looking thing my understanding is that it was it's
basically a mound of dirt that they poured concrete over right okay so Kaelyn has brought her dog out
to to that area to make the make the business and then you have the parking lot area where you see the parked cars
and some of the videos you see a red car to the left and then what the camera is
attached to is the rooftop of a series of garages and there's a whole bunch of them and they're single car garages from
my understanding so you're getting it from the viewpoint of above that garage so with the roommate in video 5 walking
out she's walked out of the condo and now she's walked past a blue car that's to her right and she's looking is she
seems to be paying attention to that blue car for some reason maybe it's of no importance at all and then she walks
over into one of the garages then on video 6 this shows a red car driving slowly
note that the car is driving slowly near the blue car once again that we referenced earlier again this could be
driver paying close attention to the blue car then the car appears to be pulling into one of the garages and note
this would be a garage that seems to be in a similar location if not the exact same location as to where I said the
roommate appears to be walking into so what I think you know because people there's no sound so some people have
raised question well why why even bother show us this but it I believe we're seeing the roommate walking out to their
garage and then you're seeing her return in her red car later yeah again it's it's hard to know without knowing the
layout of the land too much but we're gonna put that link on our website and on our blog please give us your thoughts
on these videos are very short mm-hmm video clips and I have some notes regarding the footage as a whole when
you you know you put them all together as one big movie let's say now I said to you captain on the phone last week that
I believe that these are cameras that once they detect motion or movement that they then record what they see until
they no longer detect motion after watching the videos many times I now think differently I think that these are
always recording and that we're just seeing snippets that at some point before they release the this footage to
the public that they just cut it at different points for whatever reason it could be just arbitrary who knows but
could just be motion sensor to because it seems like a lot of these videos it's there's motion in there mmm you know the
roommate walking or the car so yeah I I just I think with my with my background what I'm seeing here is cameras that are
recording all the time I also think that these cameras were probably not installed with the purpose of watching
individuals coming and going from that walkway area but the main purpose sole purpose of protecting the cars in the
parking lot and the garages that are there as well also remember that blue car I pointed out I wonder if this could
be Kaylin's car the the blue car is present and parked in that same every time we see Kalyan in fact the
blue car is there for all six videos mm-hmm but I do want to point out to some some things we don't have time
stamps or at least the videos I watch didn't have them so they don't we don't know at what time each of these videos
is made or taking place or even the actual order of the videos other than the assumption that they are in the
order per the the news station ksl yeah but in these videos again I don't see any evidence of somebody losing their
mind or not coherent like all the actions that she makes I can make logical assumptions of why she's making
these actions well and that's where I fault some of the news stations and some of the coverage regarding this
disappearance is we have them saying she's she's talking to herself she appears to be interacting with someone
that's not there that's just that's just telling a tale it's just spinning a yarn
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Brief Summary

Kailyn Louder's disappearance intertwines with her brother's manslaughter conviction, revealing family tragedy and mental health struggles.

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The Tragic Shooting of Jeffrey Ackerman. A family tragedy unfolds when Colton Louder shoots his uncle Jeffrey Ackerman, leading to a complex legal battle.
Kailyn Louder Goes Missing. Kailyn Louder is reported missing after a series of troubling 911 calls and strange behavior.
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Roommate's Confusion. The roommate insists there are no intruders, leading to tension.

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