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are doing part two of the Johnny gsh case uh this is a boy that disappeared when he was 12 years old uh and I'll do
a quick little like uh John Madden recap of the first half for you right okay so
on uh September 5th 1982 Johnny gosh he was 12 years old he lived with his mom and dad and his
brother and uh he went out early in the morning to deliver the newspaper and one
of the other paper boys he was he was walking with his wagon pulling it be beside him and he one of the other paper
boys they had a spot where they would meet up and they would collect that day's paper well this was a Sunday so
it's a big paper and while he's walking towards the paper stack he's approached by a vehicle and this other paper boy
sees Johnny talking to the driver of the car um Johnny continues on his way to go
pick up the newspaper and again this vehicle pulls up to now where there's several boys and opens up the car door
and he's asking the drivers asking for directions now um shortly after this Johnny's going to continue on his paper
route and the boys are going to go about their business and do their paper routes
and some have reported that they saw a second man um not everybody is on board with that but at some point a vehicle
the same vehicle that that they had seen before four at the newspapers is seen just kind of you know squealing tires
and rushing out of the area burning through a stop sign and Johnny gosh his his wagon still full of newspapers is
found on the side of the road with his little dog Gretchen and Johnny may or may not have ever been seen again at
this point the parents just call the cops the cops are telling people in the community they believe it's a runaway
they think there's no there's no crime scene is what they say they can't find one so therefore they think it's a
runaway uh the parents also call the FBI the parents are talking to anybody that
will listen doing as many interviews as they can and then it kind of goes cold for a while until there's a rest by a
guy named Paul banasi so there was this pretty wealthy business in Omaha Nebraska called the
Franklin Credit Union and it was run by a guy named Lawrence E King and um Paul banasi says that there was all kinds of
parties going on at this place and there were children involved in having sex with adults and this was going on
because of the relationship of of Lawrence King with the Boys Town organization um and they were abusing
these children they were they were pretending to do nice things for them that's the allegation the allegation is
that they were abusing children and so this is Paul's story but not only that Paul says you know I was involved in the
Abduction of Johnny gosh that I was there the day that Johnny was taken and uh we you know we went around and this
this sex ring this child sex ring would abduct these young boys or young girls and take them and sell them off to
wealthy individuals perverted individuals and that this was all going on uh and some of these people involved
in this thing were were were known people were yeah people of power and success yeah
and again those are just all allegations uh but some of Paul's story checks out now these charges against
king would later be dropped uh they found that there was no merit to these allegations and uh he would go to jail
on some other charges I believe like tax fraud or or something or money laundering or something like that um
never getting charged with the crimes of this the sex crimes so so that's kind of weird but then Paul uh
Basi also had a civil suit against King and some other people and he won the civil suit none of that money has ever
been paid to Paul yeah and there was also quite a bit of few things that happened between the time that Johnny
was taken and that the you know Paul Basi comes onto the scene and those were things that we didn't get to get to in
the first half so uh the first thing that we should should note would be the dollar bill right captain mhm so in
1985 a woman in Iowa she receives a dollar bill in change she's at like the grocery store so this is 3 years after
the abduction yeah and she well let's not say abduction let's say from the date he went missing so she receives
this dollar bill and change and she reaches out to the gosh family and uh she says you know I I got this dollar
bill and on it it says somebody had wrote on the dollar bill I'm alive and signed it Johnny gosh and so she needed
to get this to the parents and and does so and they use this to help with their investigation here's here's some
evidence that Johnny could be alive you know obviously anybody could have wrote that on a dollar bill but noren is going
to say that that looked to be Johnny's handwriting yeah well of course she is I mean that's what keeps hope alive right
but what they what they did do uh which I think is a good thing is that they went to a handwriting
analysis um expert and had it compared and and they believe that it checks out with you know with some Merit there okay
so it's not just a mother a grieving mother looking for hope there is some you know but how much do I believe in
handwriting analysis I don't know again kind of a cruel joke to write on a dollar bill but you're also think about
this way 12-year-old boy goes missing uh who has who who gets a lot of dollar bills 15 you know 13y olds to 18y
olds and some kid doodling at high school pulls out a dollar bill and writes something silly get it gets back
to the Mom it's it's kind of freaky but I think there's some explanation on is it real I I don't know well and the
thing too is handri writing analysis is not used in court uh for criminal cases because there is no like General school
or general schooling for this to to be certified as a handwriting analysis expert yeah I think there's some online
tests that you can take I could probably get a like a diploma like that well like
from Jamaica or something you might have to study for a while you probably just send $50 in in some shipping hand and
handling and they mail you mail you that diploma from Jamaica yeah I mean I I don't know I mean I don't know if this
is um a dollar bill from from Johnny it it makes the story interesting you know the other thing though here too captain
that I wondered about is when you know like you said this is 1985 Johnny went missing in 82 so even if it was Johnny
that wrote that on the dollar bill who's to say that he didn't write it two days
after he disappeared you know and that that this is just now surfacing for some reason um I had wondered about that
dollar bills don't stay in circulation really normally that long though I do well I didn't know that but one thing I
was trying to do with the documentary I watched the documentary who took Johnny and uh you know they showed the dollar
bill the actual dollar bill in the documentary and I paused I paused the documentary and I got right up on the
screen trying to figure out you know look at the dollar bill real close and everything and I wanted to see the date
that that dollar bill was minted um because I you know that would give us some kind of idea you know if this was a
dollar bill that wasn't printed until 1984 and it was wrote somebody wrote that on there then that's that's even
more interesting to me than if it's a dollar bill that came out in 80 or 81 um you know CU I wanted to I I
wondered did he write on this two days after he was abducted did he write on it a week before they found this dollar
bill what did you find did you see could you see the DAT I could not see the date
I found nothing I was hoping to find a larger print of this picture on the internet but I was unable to do so which
raises a hair of Suspicion to me if if you really think this is some sort of evidence that proves that this kid's
still alive then why wouldn't I mean you got hundreds of pictures posted of Johnny on the internet why not post this
as well yeah uh what they do post if you look for Johnny gosh dollar bill one of
the things that people are trying to point out is the ow have you ever seen the ow in the dollar bill so if you look
at a dollar bill normally the right hand corner where it has a one mhm there's a
kind of a dip down and in this dip down is an out and a lot of people have been talking about this lately or maybe it's
just my crazy ass talking about this lately cuz if you look at a dollar bill like I said kind of like in the Sloop of
the of the one and the right hand corner is a little out and what does this mean
what does it mean uh well there's this there's this area called The Bohemian Grove I don't know if you ever heard
heard of this I have heard of yep so the idea is that that these rich powerful people meet at Bohemian Grove mhm and um
world leaders and they have these weird Retreats and they have almost these like
Satan Satanic ritual type uh events and and they it's like a mock sacrifice they
claim they don't sacrifice anybody but if you watch the any video footage on this it's it's it's a mock their SA
sacrificing a child so it's a little strange and Paul Basi talked about Bohemian Grove I I'm not for sure but I
I believe that's one of the places he had mentioned about these parties that would take place that were fundraisers
and things like that right which which would have been like we said uh 85 or so um yeah and just while we're on the
subject though I want to go into this for just to touch on it for a second he would say that that at these parties
typically what they would do is they would get these children organiz ations like the boys town and and different
groups where they would bring in kids and have them work the party and that they probably helped out with things
like serving and um you know waiting tables and and cleaning up busing tables things of that nature at these these
these fundraiser type parties and it wasn't until after the parties you know that that the the party would go on it
would be the successful people with and sometimes with their families there with
their wives or you know and this would be a legit fundraising party but afterwards is when the when the bad
stuff went down you know that that some of these guys came in from out of town and they would stay for for the next day
or two um or sometimes these parties after midnight got got crazy and got uh way out of hand yeah but see what's
going to happen and somebody's listening right now going the captain is crazy conspiracy captain and that's not true
because this is not a conspiracy people the Bohemian Grove exist yeah and but here's what's odd about the whole
Bohemian Grove for me is when officials have denied it and denied it and denied it and denied it and it wasn't until
somebody got video footage and said see you know at some point it's not conspiracy it's just what what is
happening at these events is it is it is there some dark twist after the fundraiser is over I don't know and
there's no proof of that but we have allegations there's allegations and you know when the feds when they raided the
Franklin Credit Union they came across like I think it was like over like 20,000 documents of of strange things um
and who knows what's on those documents this could all just be things of embezzlement and money laundering it
could be all I mean that's that's what they went to jail for yeah and it could be that's all that these documents could
say we don't know why because theyve sealed those doc and we're not going to be able to review
those and I don't I don't think that they've even put a release date on them uh this is stuff that's probably but
that's that's what the government does all the time you know I mean think about uh the the Kennedy assassination the
files that were supposed to be released I remember watching um um what's his nam's movie the JFK movie yeah and
thinking Oliver Stone Oliver Stone's movie and thinking oh it's a couple years from now we're going to these doc
know everything no they don't they don't release these they push the date back who who are they trying to protect I
don't know are they are they trying to cover up some uh sick uh child sex ring I don't know or is it just this money
was tied to this organization that was tied to somebody that was bigger and yeah can money stop this stuff can money
stop this information coming out oh yeah we see it all the time we're seeing it more and more now uh even with this
election uh and and I think as uh hackers get uh more experience uh we're going to have more transparency but it's
not going to be because uh the officials are given it to you it's going to be because people want to show uh people's
True Colors MH and I think we're going to see that more and more often so real quick back to the dollar bill right so
yeah we we kind of got sidetracked there but this govern conspiracy this case is
very easy to get sidetracked and actually we had an email somebody was you know pointing out a lot of things
that we did not cover regarding uh the Franklin Credit Union and some of the and this this sex scandal um but we're
not we're not here to cover the sex scandal you could do two or three hours on just the on Lawrence King the
Franklin Credit Union and that sex scandal just like we said in the first episode we're doing we're doing a show
on Johnny gosh FYI some people were scarred cuz you called him Larry King you scarred him like listeners are
scarred well his name is Larry King lence E King but it's not the Larry King that that we know from from TV from CNN
Lawrence E King so anyway back to Johnny gosh right we have the dollar bill now i' I'd wondered too you know if well if
I'm if I'm being captive right how does this dollar bill this dollar bill gets into circulation somehow you know it was
if let's pretend that Johnny did write on the dollar bill now it had to get into circulation
somehow did he give it to did he purchase something with this dollar bill or did how did it get into the store uh
how did it did it end up at a bank and then the bank you know they're making change for the store somehow this dollar
bill if we can believe it came from Johnny it got from Johnny to the store into the hands of this person that got
it in change now if I'm Johnny and I'm able to write a little note like that why wouldn't I just say why wouldn't I
just tell somebody hey I'm Johnny gosh and I would like to go home you know um this this creep guy captured me and and
I want to go home that's a lot easier to said I mean look we we know for uh a fact in a lot of these cases where
somebody's abducted no matter what age they they will talk about how yeah I was just in this place for a while then
all of a sudden now I'm outside and now we're going to the grocery store and now
we're going to fast food and and now I'm like in society and why well why don't you you ever tell anybody who knows I
mean who knows what the captor is telling them they could say look you're you're 12-year-old boy you and you seem
to be very close with your mother and your father mhm and they say hey look yeah you run away I might not be able to
find you but I know where your parents live I'm going to kill your whole family right and that and I think that's enough
of a reason or enough um you know depending on your relationship with your parents but uh to me I that would freak
me out and so yeah okay we're we're at a McDonald's or or wherever we're at and I
have this opportunity I have to give this money to the cashier pull out a pen real quick you know there was a rumor of
of a boy coming forward and saying hey I'm I'm Johnny gosh you know and and I'll tell the story best that I can
because like I said it may just be a rumor I couldn't find any you know multiple people uh come you know
reporting this story but well this episode is is really just all the interesting things around this case
again with the dollar bill is it is it him is it not him we don't know it's hard to say it's hard to say yeah I mean
I think if Norine believes it's it's a sign from him then possibly but that's the idea of this episode is just bring
up this interesting stuff whether it's true or not you know that's that's for the listen turn to determine now this
story actually took place about 6 months or maybe a year after Johnny went missing and from best I can tell a a boy
uh roughly the same age as what Johnny would have been at that time you know so now he would have been about 13 13 and a
half uh approached a woman in a I believe it was a gas station parking lot or some kind of small business parking
lot and said you know very quickly ran up to her and said I'm I'm Johnny gosh uh this man has taken me or the or these
men have taken me something to that effect and uh the rumor is that then two men grabbed the boy and and left with
him in a vehicle mhm well and if you watch the documentary this is not in the documentary yeah and I have a hard time
believe I think this is probably a rumor because there's there's a few things missing from this okay like have you
ever have you ever seen a situation where you're out and you question the situation especially when it's like like
a child like all the time I'm I'm questioning this situation right now no like I mean if I go to like one time I
went to a restaurant years ago and and I walked past this boy this little boy that had a black eye and he's sitting
there with his parents and I couldn't quit watch staring at the parents all the time while I'm eating I'm trying to
see if they're going to be mean to the boy you know what I mean so what I'm getting at is I think I think that most
people react and behave in similar manners and that my my Approach would be if if some kid came up to me whether I
believed it was Johnny gosh or not if some kid came up to me and said those things I would pay attention to the
vehicle that these people got into right I mean I'm grabbing the kid and saying you want to get this kid you got to come
through me but even if I'm what I'm getting at is even if I didn't believe the boy for whatever reason I would
still be paying attention to what's going on I I would I wouldn't just say right but whether or not I believe
him or not I'm just taking that kid but what I'm saying is this is why I have a hard time believing the story because
there's nothing going along with it whoever whoever said this they didn't say well it was it was two white men no
there's no description of either man there's no description of a vehicle there's nothing other than some kid ran
up to me and said I'm Johnny gosh and he was about the same age and then two guys
took him okay the only thing is what was the age of the person that said this because what if it was a 16-year-old
then then then I think the the story has more weight this kid came up said I was
Johnny gosh I was like what the what the [ __ ] you know and then he Johnny gosh
maybe the person didn't know who it was right I don't even know who it was but I
think if there was any validity to this story uh noren being so um uh active in this case I think if there was any
validity to it she would have fished that out and we would have seen that uh presented on the documentary who took
Johnny that's a good a good uh thing right there Captain you're you're exactly right noren if she believed the
story we would hear this story 100,000 times that's who Norine is she would go out and she would scream this from the
mountain tops and yeah which is great I mean that's what all parents should do and I really think that her actions in
this case have really changed the way some parents have uh reacted for when their child has been abducted and I I
think she set a good uh example even though some people you know there's a lot of
critics out there that think that she's crazy but uh and I wanted to mention my opinion of that story because that's
like a to me that's a caveat to our listeners okay a lot of our listeners are armchair detectives and you know web
sleuths and whatnot they're trolling the internet they're beautiful people they're not trolls they're beautiful
people well they're they're hunting the internet for in uh Clues and and trying to help out is what they're doing uh but
and a lot of times you will see these different stories and different eyewitness accounts on all these cases
that we do one thing that I look at when when I'm reading through these these eyewitness accounts is I'm looking for
someone that's telling a story with specific details because they're more likely to be telling the truth when
they're able to give you specifics rather than just this very vague foggy story of of a of a boy R randomly
running up to me in a parking lot uh so that that's just my caveat to to the armchair detectives out there all right
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um so we have a few things to talk about with Mr Johnny gosh right we talked about the dollar bill we talked about
the rumor of the story of the person in the parking lot uh during you know in the first episode we also talked about
how the police weren't overly excited about investigating this case and and noring gosh has been very
uh you know she's she's complained often and very loudly about how lazy them yeah
yeah so uh we seem I mean look when you have a search party of you know 30 some people 30 to 40 people and and the chief
of police comes out and says hey this is nothing more than a damn runaway well and after after some time uh this was
police chief Orville Clooney uh he seemed to not he's the one that came out and said the kids just damn Runway um he
ends up resigning from his job uh there's an investigation that goes on into his act um and he after about six
months into this investigation he resigns um the way that this this investigation is brought about against
Orville Clooney is 18 police officers under his command uh start complaining and they're filing written complaints uh
from everything from from Orville drinking on the job to fixing tickets to racism and as well as him interfering
with an investigation uh regarding a case that involved his son well and in the documentary they also point out this
argument that happened uh because you know the gosh family said hey these PE you know this Chief thinks this is just
a runaway so they hire a pi and the chief of police was pissed off about this so he came and and was screaming at
them in their own house um so yeah he was let go again now this leads to the speculation that this is this bigger
conspiracy this bigger sex trafficking ring and that maybe this chief of police wasn't involved but knew some people
that were involved and that was the reason why he was from the get-go saying hey this is just a runaway what one
other story that's interesting regarding noren gosh in the uh private investigators that they had hired that
the gosh family hired and the police chief getting all all up in that business uh the the the private
investigator wanted to run a little bit of surveillance they were going to park some vehicles and surveil the area where
Johnny went missing from now they wanted to do this on a Sunday at about the same
time so they would be able to see what kind of cars what kind of people were going through this area at that day and
that time now this would be if you thought if you thought that this was a crime of opportunity that you just you
weren't watching Johnny that you were you weren't specifically looking to abduct him it's just you were you were
you know in the area yeah I don't think anybody was going hey here's this Johnny
G kid we're going to take him I think it's more of the idea that hey we know paper boys are out I think you're right
and I think that's what the private investigator was on to and he parked his vehicle and they wanted to surveil the
area and the police chief had uh police officers basically harassed them so they
couldn't do their investigation and I believe noren said that they even may have arrested the uh the private
investigator so just just another thing to to Really tick you off I mean if if they're not going to investigate the
case at least let the gosh family do it right at least let them try to find their son don't get in the way uh if
you're not going to be helpful at least back off yeah again but like I said this
goes with this idea that who did the police chief know mhm and maybe he knows somebody that is you know hey this is
your job you're getting a kickback or whatever it is I think he didn't like Norine gosh is what I think it is I
think he had a problem with her and I think he I think he was unprofessional we see these other acts of drinking on
the job ticket fixing racism I think he was an unprofessional dude and he let and he let his feelings his ill will
feelings about noren gosh get in the way of doing his job or letting his other officers do their job no I just think I
think he had a problem with a lot of people and then that came out and then obviously he had problems with a lot of
people if you get all these written complaints enough where you're going to resign M so I I don't think it was just
singular towards noren now let's fast forward to 1997 do you got anything to present before 97 because something big
happens in this case in 1997 go for it we have nen gosh she is no longer living with her husband uh Big Johnny Big John
is what we were calling him uh about 10 years after uh Johnny went missing the they ended up getting a divorce so yeah
most uh most of the time when a couple has a you know a child even you know die or go missing it normally is kind of
a a kind of a spear you know and and then it's something that it's hard enough to remain a couple just during
normal times let alone to have a a kid go missing mhm yeah a lot of times the marriage will not survive uh because of
this but they're divorced and she's living by herself and this is in uh March of 1997
and she says this was very early in the morning about 2:30 in the morning she's getting a knock on her on her door and a
persistent knock she says and to the point where she gets up answers the door now uh before answering the door she
looks outside and there's she sees Two Men And um she recognizes one of the men's eyes and says you know this this
he's got the same eyes as my boy and this man introduces himself as Johnny gosh he says Mom it's me I'm it's Johnny
she lets these two guys into her home and they it's not clear if it's cuz sometimes it's reported that uh it's
Johnny older a little older version of Johnny and maybe a boy or younger but depending on what website you read or
where you find this report from uh it's not very clear no actually it's two completely opposite stories right
Captain I've read one story where it's you said Johnny and a boy right and then the other story I've read was it was
Johnny and a man and it looked like Johnny was the other man was like giving him
the nod on things he was allowed to say and not to say you know that so kind of two very conflicting stories regardless
noren says in both accounts that the other man was whether it be a boy or a man was not introduced and did not speak
very often um but Johnny spent I've again with the stories I've heard as little as an hour I've heard as as long
as maybe two and 2 and 1 half hours MH um but he spent a considerable amount of time in noren's home
discussing what had been going on and and that he was yes he was involved in this he's been a prisoner in the sex
ring and that they will that he's afraid he can't go out and live his life again
he can't return to his family because they've made it clear to him that they will kill him that his life is in danger
and possibly his family's life and he's not even supposed to be there talking to
her at that exact time yeah this is very strange and this comes out um because she's at this um court hearing and
they're aski's court hearing for the Civil the Civil Trial yeah so they're asking her
all these questions and and you know you know I I think it comes out have you seen Johnny or anything since his
disappearance and and then that's when the story comes out she claims too that you know it was like you can't tell
anybody because they'll kill me mhm so that's this is the story a lot of you know uh friends of mine that follow our
show you know I'll I I kind of put out feelers you know so we're talking about this Johnny gosh case with some of my
buddies and and and one of them the coach from Ohio uh was telling me this is a story that he just doesn't buy
right uh to him it doesn't come off um genuine uh I I don't know what to make of it I mean I don't buy it either well
it's weird because one you you don't tell anybody for years two it was about two years yeah and then
yeah I mean you shouldn't lie under oath you shouldn't lie ever but you're going
to then say it you know two two years afterwards you're going to bring it up in court that's going to be printed you
know so uh the coach from uh up north was telling me he thinks it's just a a way to keep the story keep some momentum
of the Johnny gsh story going um because the more you can talk about it more more
likely you can get answers and that's kind of what he believes norin was doing I think uh I think a couple things
happened here Captain okay um one thing that they didn't actually I don't know if they said it in the documentary or
not but I I don't believe that they did nor was actually she was on national TV shortly before this happened so this was
not just a random knock at the door one night uh she was on national TV I believe it was the Lisa show you
remember the Lisa show was one of those like afternoon talk shows nope uh it's kind of a rip off of Sally Jesse Raphael
so she's on the show and on the show this is National Television she says Norine gosh I no longer live at at our
old home Johnny our your parents have gotten divorced I still live in the area this is where I
live this is my address if you need to reach out to me if you ever want to come home if if you can ever escape your
captors um here's the problem you it's very tough man you I understand that she wants to help her son and that that
she's doing everything she can but if if you're going to put your address on national TV there's a decent chance that
some a-hole might might pull a prank on you um I don't know that that that's what went down but that's my suspicion I
think somebody some jerk and his friend probably knocked on her door probably said hey it's Johnny I'm home you know
and I think that's more far-fetched than just the thing that Norine just made it
up possibly possibly I think regardless I mean of course uh that's what I think happened I think that somebody pulled a
prank on her I don't think but I don't think that if that is the case I don't think that she beli that it was Johnny I
think what happened was she got on the stand and they're grilling her and they're saying you know well why are you
even testifying in this in this trial well because this is what happened to my son he's he's been abducted in this sex
ring and he's being traded and sold and well how do you know that that happened how do you even know he's alive well I
he came to see me and exactly what you said the the other problem with this the biggest problem with this story is the
reasons for keeping it secret are the same reasons that this story cannot be true in my mind you you didn't tell
anybody for two years or two and a half years you kept it to yourself because you were afraid for his life yet you
weren't afraid enough to to to not say it on on stand you know it and like you said it's released in the papers then
she's on TV on Sally Jesse Raphael months later and she's telling the story again was UN Sally Jess was she un Sally
she was yeah oh nice glasses um I don't know the the tough thing about this is with noren I feel that she's authentic I
think she she comes to off to me as authentic uh she comes off as very caring very intelligent uh I don't know
how much I buy this story but but that's what makes it difficult because it seems
like uh she you know she's a good person so I want to believe her uh I I just don't know how much that story makes
sense to me no you're exactly right she I agree she's a very good person she's done great things for trying to find her
son she's refused to let this case on top quiet right but you put it's not just she turned it in from not only is
she still trying to find get answers about her son she has done work to help thousands and thousands of other
families there there's kids that go missing every day and for whatever reason and and because of her effort she
has changed the landscape of this well and if you're at home or wherever you are thanks for listening um you and
you're going well how can they defend norin gosh well all right just hold on here second hold on you know let's keep
in mind don't think anybody's saying that we got good listeners no I know but keep in mind she's a victim she's lost
all right she's she's been lost uh mentally and emotionally because of this horrible thing that's happened to her I
don't think she's been lost but in the process words not mine in the process you know she did change remember there
was a 72-hour waiting period for the police to investigate Johnny's disappearance the reason being is back
then in the early 80s they didn't distinguish the difference between an adult a missing adult and a missing
child there was no difference legally to the police so what she has done uh she has made that change in Iowa that
has change that has also created change in other states now where the police and
FBI have to distinguish the difference between adults and children and now when there's a su suspected abduction or a
missing child they are to investigate immediately and we all know that we all know from having done this for so long
that the first 48 hours is the most crucial to any missing person's case out there you're more like to find them
alive if you can find a lead or find them within the first 48 hours so she's made that's a huge change and then the
other thing that we talked about as well she gets involved with the Walsh family
and other families of missing children and they form the national Center for missing and exploited children which is
which has gone on to do great things and since the induction of that um organization the the the success rate of
finding children and finding them alive has gone up greatly mhm yeah I mean so hands down uh what whatever you think of
her look I I don't think anybody's at home going why are you defending her I think it's not
now joking all right so yeah and then there were some pictures found so you want to talk about those pictures how
about you tell us about the pictures well there's a series of pictures really yeah so this was in uh September 1st of
2006 um Norine gosh says that she receives some Anonymous anonymously receives some
photographs and there's a few different photographs like you had said there's one of it looks like some some young
teenage boys tied up on a bed or a couch right um and then there's one of a single boy uh that appears to be tied up
now it's the single boy in as far as the documentary goes um and there's a lot of
Norine interviews out there I recommend watching watching most of them there's always something interesting in her
interviews um especially especially if you're as fascinated about this case as I am but she does say that the the boy
the one boy she can see what appears to be that birth mark on on the chest that she that we spoke of Johnny has a
discoloration uh on his chest kind of the shoulder area but what what's but here's what's strange so there's a group
of three boys in one picture she says the one on the right is Johnny if you look at the pictures of Johnny that went
missing and this boy H similar but it's like it's hard it's a stretch it's hard to make out well what what happened was
the lead investigator of a case in Florida comes out and says hey we know what this picture is we know who these
boys and that boy is not Johnny gosh so there's there's a situation where a mother is saying that's my boy and it's
we have uh factual evidence to say no it's not MH now there's this other boy and
there's tons of pictures if you type in Johnny gosh um and just do a image Google search this boy shows up over and
over now here's where I stand on this now this is again Norine says this is my boy now this boy is not accounted for
and if you watch the documentary they talk about that what I find interesting is that Big
John says it's that's not my boy yeah he doesn't believe that's his son um it's it's very difficult
because you know as you change that your nose changes a lot right mhm so that that it's like and now look I've only
seen a handful of pictures of Johnny you know like the paper boy picture the famous paper boy picture um where he has
his little sashel and he's going on his route if you look at that picture and then you look at this
boy it's hard for me to tell cuz kids age you know the way they age it's hard to tell you know uh you
know I was a a stepfather for two boys and I don't see them often and when I see pictures of them now they've changed
quite a bit yeah I mean I can tell it's them but there's so many features that are just a lot different and so I think
maybe a mom would know that you would see it in the eyes I think that you know the eyes don't change yeah um so maybe
that's what she's seeing I don't see it and like I said for for the record the the Big John doesn't think so either I I
thought that the the picture of the boy that was unidentified I thought that the hair and
and the eye color was close or or the same um but the boy looked a lot thinner to me which I I understand people can
lose weight especially if you're being um but the fathered out the the size of the foot um that he believed that Johnny
would have had bigger feet even at the time of his you know it we're guessing that the pictures are taken later
obviously so his foot should have grown rather than your feet don't shrink well what's weird about uh this unidentified
boy right if it's Johnny we don't know but uh Paul benasi talks about a branding Mark that these captors put on
people people people that are in charge of the sex ring they put a brand Mark now when he said this when he came out
and said this people thought he was crazy but then people came forward and showed their branding marks that they
had on them and not all the pictures but later on I think the pictures that they
think are older uh H this kid now has a branding mark on so I I think that's interesting
that that um is a direct tie to Paul bonas's um claims and it's also interesting that
the kid is never identified you know usually you know that's that's we had these same questions when we had when we
did our photograph interview or our photograph episode well and because that he was never
identified that means you can't rule it out it's it's very possible it could be Johnny it could be Johnny or at the very
least it's another kid that's been taken and you know yeah and and for all record
I have no record of any other parent you know or group of parents that are coming
out saying no that's our boy that can't be Johnny cuz that's our boy uh so I don't know again and like I said I think
the mother would know you know to be honest with you cuz you know sometimes men are dumb uh I believe that the you
know the mom would have a better um way of identifying him than than probably the father
would yeah I can agree with that uh but Norine certainly wants everything to be Johnny you know the the dollar bill the
the person on the doorstep the the the photographs of course she does um and and and rightfully so um but I think I
think here's what here's what I think is going on here Captain I think that we have we probably have a situation where
the Franklin uh Credit Union was involved in some kind of child sex scandal I can believe that do do I
believe Paul Basi that he was abused yes I believe that he was abused at some point I don't know that I don't believe
he has multiple personalities I don't believe he was there when Johnny goshh was taken I think Johnny goshh was
probably taken by an individual that's a pedophile that was hunting in the area for uh for young boys 12 13year old boys
that he could abduct and and so let's go over some things here regarding statistics so in the state of Iowa now
one thing I will say the state of Iowa has a fantastic website for their cold cases um that which includes missing
persons uh here in Ohio we have a database that you can go to and it's it's unsolved homicides but I don't
believe that I couldn't I don't know of one that you can find for missing persons in the state of Ohio yeah
there's one out there oh there we go so uh but Iowa has one as well and what some stats that I pulled off of there so
from well the the na the Nationwide database she can search by state and city from n from the year 1930 to uh
currently uh the state of Iowa has 137 missing kids and adults people that have never been found anywhere or or
reported themselves as still being around and living elsewhere to this day now that doesn't seem like a huge number
when you go all the way back to 1930 but the fourth person listed on there disappeared in 1972 so what does that
mean that means we have 133 missing kids and adults between the years of 1973 and
2016 in the area of De Mo Iowa we have 35 in that time period and in pul County we have 37 in that time period so that's
almost one missing person a year since 1973 right well I mean some of that stuff before the 70s is it's just not
being reported you know you'd have a a 16-year-old you got to remember the times too and in the in the 30s in the
40s and 50s and stuff like that there was a lot of people that left home at 16 mhm you know because you're adult at 18
most people are expected to leave the house now now we have situations where you know people move back from college
you know they're in their mid 20s even their early 30s living with parents still but back in the day I mean 16
17year old run away they go they're almost an adult they'll take care of themselves and that stuff wasn't
reported um now if there's going to be a lot of people going missing in one area
I think that leads to the idea of some kind of sex ring you know what I mean sex trafficking human trafficking we we
you know this is this is something like in 82 when they're talking to the police
chief and they're talking about a pedophile they didn't even know what the hell they were talking about right and
then in the last five years I mean 5 10 years ago you say human trafficking people go what the what are
you talking about and this is a reality that we're just becoming more aware of you know so but I I think we're I don't
think we're dealing with a with a with a sex child sex ring here that that's plucking children off the streets of De
Mo Iowa I I don't think that's the situation I think the situation is we got one bad dude out there that that uh
has done this multiple times um you know we a couple of the cases from that area
okay so we have Eugene Martin aged 13 he went missing August 12 1984 well one of
the kids that went missing um Norine actually got was contacted she was contacted before had um a lead um I
don't know who gave it to her but it was basically the idea that a another kid is
going to be taken this is the date and this is roughly the time and then another boy went missing and then noren
uh got in contact with the family well the family was then told beforehand don't talk to noren gosh about this
stuff she's crazy uh but but she also had a date and time of of when a kid's going to go
missing and a kid went missing well I don't know anything about that but I want to talk about Eugene
Martin's case Okay so he goes missing August 12 1984 this would be 23 months after Johnny goes missing MH uh and this
is a story that you're going to say well that sounds familiar because it it's the
same story Eugene Martin leaves his home approximately at 5:00 a.m. that morning
to deliver the newspaper he goes out on his paper route now there's multiple eyewitnesses again in this case as well
some report between the between the time of 5:00 a.m. and 5:45 a.m. that Eugene Martin is seen talking with a cleancut
white male in his 30s other persons report having seen the same activity between the time of 5:45 a.m. and 605
a.m. now between 610 and 6:15 his bag is found his newspaper bag is found and it's got 10 papers in it
this is found by the route manager you know you talked about your district manager in our first episode well what
happened was they were starting to receive phone calls of people not having received their paper the district
manager goes out and he finds the paper bag and he picks up the papers and he just delivers the rest of them right um
it it's later determined that Eugene Martin is missing and we have a problem here right so what what happens shortly
after that is that the authorities send out a nationwide bulletin to be on the lookout for a man man between the ages
of 30 and 40 years old who is 5'9 in tall clean shaven with a medium build well what do we see here captain
that we saw on in in Johnny gosh's case 5 foot n 5 fo9 in tall that's the same height that that the eyewitnesses
describe in the Johnny gos gosh case of the suspect for that case the problem with that suspect is he didn't he wasn't
out of the car the one that was driving the car right but they were able to come up with
with a a general height a general height and we're seeing that they're using saying it's a lot easier for me to tell
you how tall you are if you're standing up than when you're sitting down in a car I 100% agree with that now we have
another case we have Mark Allen age 13 we're okay Johnny is 12 almost 13 years old Eugene Martin is 13 years old Mark
Allen 13 years old he goes missing March 29th 1986 this is less than two this is a
year and seven months after Eugene Martin goes missing now this is a uh Saturday evening it's the day before um
uh Easter and Mark is at his mom's home and he's leaving to go meet some friends
he's going to walk and meet some friends and they might even take in a movie or something according to what he told his
mother he's last seene leaving the home his mother doesn't suspect that he ran away because uh
the boy says as he's leaving save me some pizza uh I'm going to be hungry when I get home tonight um he he walks
toward down to the street over to some bushes and he turns and he waves at his mother his mother waves from the window
and that's the last time she sees young Mark Allen uh he's he's never seen again yeah I mean when I was watching
the documentary I think th this I don't know why this story it really Disturbed me on the
idea that I mean here's this you know 13-year-old kid and uh you know think about that you you get pizza night that
was like a big thing in my household Growing Up Normally Fridays you got the TGI you know the the shows would come on
with URL and all that stuff and uh step by step there was just a lot of bad shows on but you get your pizza and you
hang out with your family or maybe have a friend over so I think maybe those childhood memories just the whole idea
where he's going to go hang out with some friends and says you know save me some pizza I don't know why but that to
me I just am a little disturbed by all that we have three boys within a a four month or sorry fouryear time period that
go missing two of them they're out on paper routes at the same time of day um right but you're the one that keeps on
saying we don't have a sex trafficking ring right I I don't think we have a ring at all I think we have one guy
that's going out and going you know what I know that there's young boys delivering the newspapers on the
weekends I I'll drive to the neighborhood and there's two of them an abduct one um you know and all these
cases take place on the weekend um two of them very similar in my opinion we see roughly the same time period uh
where it's about a year and a half to twoyear gap between each each of these cases and we're also seeing victims that
are all the same age they're the same race they come from similar backgrounds they're all in the same area these are
all boys from De Moine Iowa right but to me that leads more to the uh idea that this is what type of person we're
looking for or this is what type of child were looking for and there's a reason behind that and I don't I don't
think it's just one person I mean I I think it's kind of silly to dismiss everything that Paul Basi is saying and
all the claims that he are all Thea claims that he has made that have been backed up I mean he talks about oh yeah
when we take these kids to this house in Colorado all that house is there but again there's no vehicle there's no
amelo there's you know he he tells us a lot of things that are backed up but nothing in regards in direct regard to
Johnny goshh he tells us about all these other things that are going on but nothing that has to do with the
abduction or the sale of Johnny goshh and that thing is back but what he does tell you and what he and the reason why
norin believes that he was involved is the idea that he brought up things like the the scar on his tongue the scar on
the back of his leg things that were not reported in the paper M and this is the
reason why norin believes him again how did he just make that [ __ ] up I I don't think so I think that's a
far stretch I mean you're going to try to tell me that you know you just met a kid one time and you know know they have
a scar on their tongue but did did norin or did investigators or anybody lead him
into coming up with those to to coming up with those descriptions no but look nobody nobody believed him when he said
uh hey by the way there's this cabin or this house that we go that we take these
kids to in Colorado and everybody thought he was full of [ __ ] they drive out to Colorado oh [ __ ] there's a house
there mhm he goes oh yeah by the way uh in the back there's this uh secret little passage and there's going to be
these tunnels dug and cuz that's where they put kids yeah but that has that has nothing to do with Johnny gosh's case
that no but what I'm saying is that it proves that there's validity to what he's saying to some of his story and and
not only that but oh there's this branding Mark that they make and then a bunch of kids come forward we don't have
a problem with sex trafficking we have this is a problem and look I mean I don't know I to me uh
maybe it's just random but uh and maybe Paul Basi is you know brought up this Johnny gosh case for for no reason and
uh and maybe some people led him down the path on on the Johnny gosh case but as far as um you know a lot of his story
checking out I mean I'd say at least 50% of it does yeah and there's some people
that would point out that we've never you know because we've never found 's body that that's further proof that he
was abducted and was thrown into this Che this child sex ring um and kept underground and captive for all these
years but you know take a minute and review the the Jacob wling case uh the the 11-year-old boy that went missing in
1989 uh he we end up learning you know almost 30 years later that he was abducted at gunpoint uh that that he was
held for not very long at all he was sexually abused and assaulted and then killed shortly after his abduction and
they and he was buried in a remote location um unfortunately when we read about cases
like that and investigate cases like that we're reminded that when people go to lengths of of such a burying people
that they can remain hidden from us for a very long time if not if not forever uh one I would love to know if anybody
has questioned d Danny Henrik he's the one or sorry Danny Hinrich he's the one that uh was later uh that we learned
abducted Jacob wling I know it's in a different state but it's not terribly far from one another and this guy he he
comes off to me as a serial killer I don't think that this Jacob wling was a one-time thing for him um another person
of interest in this in Johnny's case and the other two boys um Eugene Martin and
Mark Allen uh would be a a man by the name of Roger Mattis uh he was somebody that lived about an hour away from uh
West de Mo uh and back in 1966 when he when Roger Mattis was 24 years old he attempted to abduct a 12-year-old
newspaper boy uh the boy was going around on his route and he was collecting the bills you know he's you
remember you'd have to knock on the door and say hey you forgot to pay me for this month forgot to pay me for the last
six months yeah and really they didn't forget to pay I think they just didn't want to pay they' always say I'll get
you next week yeah so he goes to he knocks on this Roger mattis's door and Roger Mattis tries to grab the kid and
and pull him into the house well the kid gets away uh he's grabbed by the shirt and he ends up slipping his arms out of
the shirt and so he can get away from this creep um yeah I know this is about a it's an hour away it's 1966 it's not
not 1982 but let me describe this Roger Mattis for you he's described as dark brown eyes with black hair and he's
5'8 uh he would have been in his early 40s when the boys went missing uh there is a problem with this though he would
have been living in Chicago in the 80s uh this again is not terribly far for him to drive and the other thing we have
to consider here is his parents and his grandparents still lived in Iowa so he would travel there often to see his
family uh now with the Johnny gosh case we have an incident where we believe that the suspect had a vehicle that had
Iowa plates so this guy Roger Mattis would have had Illinois license plate on his vehicle yeah if he was driving his
vehicle if he was driving his vehicle he could have potentially been driving his
parents uh like we saw that we saw that with the the Atlanta child killer uh he could have been driving Grandma's car um
um who knows the the interesting thing here too for me is Mark Allen went missing the Night Before Easter okay uh
Johnny gsh now he went missing on a Sunday morning right September 5th Sunday morning what happens the first
Monday of every September there's a national holiday so what I'm getting at is for two of these abductions right
it's most you know it you're more likely to be traveling to see your family when
there's a holiday you see what I'm getting at here you picking up what I'm putting down M uh so if he if he were in
the area I would be very concerned and he's somebody that I believe that they should talk to it's if you want to talk
to him it's pretty easy because he's being held in a in the penitentiary down in Texas because not too long ago he was
picked up for um he was not only did he have it in his possession but he was Distributing child pornography and when
they raided his home and his business they the the feds found more than 22,500 images on computers of child rape
and child pornography and this included four over 420 videos um so right but this is what makes you so silly of a
person what what okay this is why it makes you so silly no this is what made me late this morning no but I I was
going to be here about an hour earlier but I they don't know what time we recording I got busy busy tracing this
Roger Mattis all morning because we got a special Halloween episode for you this
week anyways this is why you're so silly is okay you start presenting this guy that could
possibly be the abductor of these three boys right or at least one or two of the
boys mhm and he is found Distributing child pornography right I get you and you and so why is he
Distributing that for funds he's probably making money off of it okay possibly or trading I think these I
think these guys do a lot of trading right but don't you think if he's in the game like that that it's possible that I
see what you're getting at he's yeah I'm crazy and I'm going to abduct them abduct them and I'm probably going to do
some shitty things to him but I'm going to sell them when I'm done look there's a bunch of sickos out there you know um
so that's what I'm saying I I I think I think there's more to this uh Paul Basi case or Paul Basi story um that I mean
it's super disturbing I mean to me just the simple they brand these kids and and so he says that that's
backed up we know that and as far as like human trafficking goes the thing that was really disturbing what he talks
about is oh they didn't they weren't interested in me anymore this is what Paul said mhm because I'm not cuz they
need new kids they want new kids that haven't been tortured yet that to me that's the most disturbing thing about
this whole case mhm now uh if you're done with that I'd like to bring up the another Sensational
idea go ahead okay so if you because of the Lawrence E King allegations in that whole ring that you know they they they
say it's just a hoax they say basically that story uh of these allegations started from two employers either of the
bank or of the young boys group that got fired that just decided to come up with
these claims when they came up with those claims then there was this investigation then this money laundering
and all this other stuff comes out they go to jail for that but you're stuck with these you know uh human trafficking
claims basically sex crime claims but there's a lot of connection with this group of people and it keeps going
up the chain keeps going up the chain all the way up to George Bush George Bush Senior correct George
Bush Senior yeah I I guess W is not technically a junior but just so we're not confused we're talking about the
older yeah older George Bush the one he was a one- termer yeah hate to be a one termer well the thing is is uh I don't
know how much validity there is to this story but if you typee in Johnny goshh and George Bush there's a picture of it
seems like George Bush is on like a campaign Trail or something but he's talking to a group of kids and I think
it's over his right shoulder there's a boy that looks similar to Johnny gosh more similar to me uh again when was
this photo taken I'm not really for sure uh it doesn't look like it doesn't look
like Johnny gsh has aged a bunch of years but it's it's interesting I don't know
what to make of it I don't think it's really him but uh it's something you if you're interested in the case Google it
and and check it out yourself I I'll tell you what Captain it this is a must Google all right I'm going to throw that
out there must Google this picture because you know I saw the picture of the three boys um on the mattress you
know that we discussed I saw the picture of the single boy by himself that that we said has remained unidentified M and
then I saw this picture at you're urging you you would ask me to to look this picture up and I saw this picture and
you know what I thought I was going to see I thought I was going to be let down again because when I saw the first
pictures that noren brought up uhuh the the kids didn't look none of them looked
like Johnny to me um and then you showed me this and I thought oh of course the captain's going to have something it's
going to be disappointing and I I Google it this is a must Google Captain recommendation
UHS more like Johny of pictures he he could pass Johny I had to look at it several times and I can't say for
certain that it's not Johnny it looks enough like him um and obviously this doesn't mean that George Bush is
connected in any way you know what I mean it's just you know it's just a weird thing if a kid went missing right
if a kid went missing and and and a week before he went missing he was in a picture with Mr T I mean we wouldn't be
saying crazy stuff about Mr T you know P the fool anyways what I'm saying is it doesn't mean that George Bush is
connected in any way it's just kind of this weird thing and maybe some of these like uh things that
become a little conspiracy start taking off this crazy life of their own again now now George Bush is part of the group
of uh that goes to the Bohemian Grove MH so I mean maybe there's some validity there I just think there's a lot more
validity to this this Paul Basi uh stories than uh maybe some are taken serious how about some more
sensationalism right yeah we have uh the story does not I mean this thing between
the the Franklin Scandal and between noren gosh and Johnny gosh and uh George Bush uh this thing just never stops
getting weirder um now we have people who have started to suspect that a man of that goes by the name of Jeff Ganon
did I get that name right Jeff Ganon is actually Johnny goshh yeah he's basically a um White House reporter yeah
so he is yeah he's some kind of White House reporter correspondent kind of dude um and I guess he was was he
discredited in January of or February of 2012 wasn't that he was discredited it was just the fact that it doesn't really
have any he doesn't have the credentials that one you would assume needs to have
to be a a White House reporter so he's basically like some guy just walks off the street with a pad and a and a and a
pencil and he's like I'm here to take the report yeah but this stuff happens all the time somebody knows somebody you
know and then you get a job but is I believe was it through credit cards or for some some way they were able to
trace this Jeff Ganon to some kind of call service to like a a male call service where you escort service yeah I
think he was an escort at some point yeah and um or he was paying for escorts he was involved he either he either
worked for one or he was in or using one um but that's where we get this whole Jeff Ganon is Johnny goshh um I believe
there was also a newspaper article written about Johnny goshh a long time ago uh that was written by reporter that
went by the name of Jeff gon not technically the same one but it's a weird coincidence uh in this story now
um but it's kind of like Beatles Clues you know you hear about beatles Clues I don't know what that is okay go for it
the Beatles you know who the Beatles are I've heard of them so there's a lot you
know it's like oh if you play this backwards it says this okay these Clues I got you Paul's dead Paul is dead right
and really a lot of these conspiracies just start because one happens and then we start looking for more and more clues
mhm that's why they call them Beatles Clues um don't Google that by the way because that will take up your entire
weekend if you Google Beatles Clues you will spend you will spend the entire weekend convinced that they wrote a song
telling you that Paul died in some kind of car accident and they've replaced him
with a guy that looks just like him which there was a car accident so is I mean there's some validity to the story
but uh but no no and I think that's the case in this John gch is is I think you know one weird thing happens that leads
to this other weird thing and you're really just putting a bunch of dots out there are you connecting them I'm not
really for sure I just think you're putting them out there the thing is though this Jeff
ganet it's not a uh I don't believe you know there's no way I don't think he's Johnny goshh um but I will say just like
I said with the the photograph with the George Bush um this guy is not he he he resembles Johnny somewhat
wouldn't you agree yeah yeah I mean you could when you do the age enhancement you would kind of see that uh that he
could potentially have grown up to look like this Jeff Ganon uh Jeff Ganon is a bald very bald man though right uh like
no hair at all I'm guessing yeah but but but I yeah that's normally what bald means but I'm joking I'm only joking
because of it could be shaved head though it could be but noren's description of the man that that uh came
to her doorsteps saying that he was Johnny was somebody that had long black hair which is very different from being
bald well and I also think if there was somewhat some validity to this story that wouldn't Norine be saying oh yeah
that's my that's my boy yeah you're exactly right I mean it in case after case time after time it seems like even
if there's a um a shred of hope she has gone with That's My Boy and and so here's this uh reporter and he doesn't
have these credentials and he's wrapped up in this escort thing and not only that like okay if I'm Jeff Ganon right
and I've and I'm actually Johnny gosh let's pretend for a minute and I've been abducted and I've been held as a slave
and I'm terrified for my life I'm afraid I can't communicate with my family I can't tell the police what has happened
but I'm going to end up in the White House taking not notes and and giving you know becoming a correspondent when
I'm not even credited to do so um that that seems like a another huge leap for me as well
well back to the story of of Johnny visiting norin the one issue I have with this is doesn't if he is still involved
with this group and now he's you know older man he would be like 30 something 40 some years old yeah he would be he
was born in 1969 but but when he visited her he was a man now yeah he was almost
30 so you're not you're not a kid anymore so that makes you were the victim and now you're the one
victimizing people that's what it that's what to me what she's implying and that's that's where I have that's a
thing where it's like she has to know she's implying that right and so that's an uncomfortable thing for a mom to say
so maybe that goes with one of the things which would make me want to believe her more this is just a crazy
case overall well and the another thing too is Captain and and we do have to wrap this up at some point because in
all honesty with how big this thing is and how big it goes and if we were to go fully into this Franklin Credit Union
Scandal and the Bohemian Grove Scandal if we went into all that into as much detail and the strange missing persons
and and deaths that followed all of those accusations we could take True Crime garage season 4 and it would be
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there's one one M's not a theory it's a fact there's sex range it's still a theory it's still a theory
no my the theory is that I believe that Johnny's involved in it okay how do you want some recommended reading captain no
I don't want to read anymore yes you're going to read uh this week we are recommending the Franklin Scandal it's a
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Today we cover part 2 of the disappearance of young Johnny Gosch. Last week we went through the details of Johnny going out to do his paper route early in the morning. Twice a vehicle approached Johnny and a man with dark hair and slurred speech asked him for directions. Shortly after Johnny disappeared and he has never been seen since... Or has he?

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses Johnny Gosh's 1982 disappearance, alleged sex trafficking connections, and various claims about his fate.

Key points

Johnny Gosh Case Introduction. The story of a boy who vanished at 12, sparking a nationwide search.
Allegations of a Child Sex Ring. Paul Banas discusses a child sex ring connected to powerful individuals.
Mysterious Dollar Bill. A dollar bill surfaces with a message claiming to be from Johnny Gosh.
Police Chief's Controversial Conduct. Police Chief Orville Clooney faced complaints and scrutiny after dismissing Johnny's case as a runaway.
The Mysterious Knock at the Door. In 1997, Norine Gosh received a knock at her door from someone claiming to be her son Johnny, raising questions about his fate.
Norine Gosh's Impact on Missing Children Cases. Norine Gosh's relentless pursuit for answers has changed how parents react to child abductions.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I'm alive and signed it Johnny Gosh.

A dollar bill with a message supposedly from Johnny

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Tension

60/ 100Some tension

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