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one where the defense attorneys are claiming that there's a conflict of interest here as far as the
investigation goes and the persons that would be involved in giving statements as to what took place that night and a
lot of that's going to be based around the occupations of the persons that were gathering that night at the bar that
were hanging out at the Afterparty if you will that night the night that John O'Keefe passed away that he was killed
and let's go through some of the who's who because we've mentioned a lot of names along the way and during our
timeline but to fill this out and give a complete picture here we have to go through the who's
who of this case as well as the persons that are giving statements as to what took place because like we said in part
one you have Karen Reed who's saying he got out of the car John got out of the car and he was fine when I left him he
went into that house and some terrible happened to him in there the question becomes who was in that house yes you
have everybody else at the house and according to the affidavit states that 11 people are inside that home and none
of them say that John ever made it into the house that night again that for me Captain is when you tear this thing down
to the studs as complicated and as confusing and convoluted as this whole mess is when you tear this thing down to
the studs to its simplest of forms the breaking point for me is did he go in the house because if he went in the
house she cannot be responsible and if he did go in the house then somebody else is responsible because again the
state and the defense is in agreeance the one thing that they can agree on is that somebody is responsible for the
death of this man of this good man let's start with Brian Albert so who is Brian
Albert Brian Albert is a auson police officer he was among the group drinking on the night of January 28th
2022 he is also the owner of the home where O'Keefe was found outside found to be dead Karen Reed's defense team has
voiced its intent to use this thirdparty culprit defense right meaning our client
is not guilty it wasn't an accident somebody else who's not on trial is responsible for the death and murder of
this man her attorney said that Brian Albert and two other people had quote a motive the opportunity and means to
attack John O'Keeffe the prosecutors rebuttal to such a statement will be that this is there's nothing here
there's no evidence to suggest this this is just the defense team's claims and the only thing that's fueling this is
their fertile imagination so Brian Albert is one of the person persons that were there that night he's also the
owner of the home he is or was at the time a Boston police officer we also have Brian Albert Jr which you can tell
by the name is Brian Albert's son he was at the Gathering at Albert's home the night of January 28th as well
and from it's been reported that that was his birthday then we also have another Albert we have Chris Albert who
is Brian Albert 's brother so Brian Albert senior's brother he also serves on the Canton select board so this is a
a government office this is a this is an official a city official he has testified that he was at the restaurant
and bar with a group with the group in the hours before John O'Keefe's death Chris Albert was neighbors with John
O'Keefe this reported by Boston magazine this is where things get a little bit complicated right the Chris Albert link
here because that's going to link a one Colin Albert Colin Albert is the son of Chris and Chris's wife Julie Albert
Karen Reed's defense team says that Colin was at the Canton home the night before O'Keefe was found dead he is one
of three that reads lawyers said had quote a motive the opportunity and the means to attack John Oak Kee prosecutors
rebuttal to that is that Colin had left his uncle's home before John O'Keefe and
Karen Reed even arrived now this is really a there's a lot hinging on what time Colin Albert would have left this
house yeah because they don't just make a suggestion that Colin Albert and other
persons there may have been involved there's even a bit of a narrative floating out there correct that that
Colin Albert was a bit of a nuisance a bully yeah a bit of a hotthead and that he he regularly got into fights there's
a reporter out there that goes by the title of turtle boy oh God who has yeah I was hoping to avoid that but uh not
turtle boy I guess guess we can't turtle boy has reported and shown pictures on YouTube and Tik Tok and everywhere else
that he can a picture that he says was taken shortly after the night that joh O'Keefe was killed and in that picture
again I I would love to for somebody to prove it to me I'm not saying that it didn't this picture wasn't taken when
turtle boy says it was I just don't know what he's basing that off of there's no
description given when I saw the picture but what I can see in the picture even before Mr Turtle Boy pointed it out is
there were clearly cuts open wound like scabbed up cuts on the knuckles on the right knuckle of this Colin Albert the
free Karen Reed people are saying this could be an indicator that he was involved in a fight or an attack on
o'keef before he was that means we also have Julie Albert who is Chris Albert's wife and Colin Albert's mother she has
testified that she was at the restaurant and bar with the group in the hours before johon O'Keefe's death
we also have Kevin Albert who is Brian's brother he serves on the Canton Police Department as a detective we have a one
Brian Higgins who is an agent with the US Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco firearms and explosives he was reportedly at the
Fairview Road home the night before O'Keefe was found dead he is one of three who reads defense team says had a
motive the opportunity and means to attack John O'Keefe Higgins was reportedly a friend of Brian Albert and
the Commonwealth stated that the defense's statements about Higgins lacked evidence and made for a fanul
story now the way that some of the story would go right the way that it would play
out as the defense team pushes it Forward is that at some point in the evening after John O'Keefe goes inside
to the home and after Karen Reed had dropped him off and left the residents right a fight breaks out some have
suggested that they might have been some prior engagements or beef between I believe it's Colin Albert and John
O'Keefe the way that I believe this to go is that Chris Albert is somewhat of a neighbor of John
O'Keefe and that Colin Albert as you pointed out earlier Captain bit of a bully at times or at least has been
reported right we don't know the guy but it's been reported that he's a bit of a
bully I've also seen it reported that he's a hotthead and that he engages people in
altercations and fights and that maybe Colin Albert had done something to upset Jon O'Keefe at some point being his
neighbor and I sometimes it's reported that they live next door I actually believe that he lives a few doors down
yeah I believe like I because I the better Outlets are reporting that the Alberts live about three or four houses
away from John O'Keefe and that they had some kind of neighborhood disagreement now the problem with that is I don't
have a great timeline if that if that were something to have occurred I'm yet to see somebody present
a great timeline on when that all started right because there's a there there comes a point where you let
bygones be bygones right that if something happened a long time ago and you happen to show up to the same house
and everybody's having a good time that night that it could all just be water under the bridge yeah look the defense
could have their idea correctly but maybe the motive is incorrect because we know when people get drunk people say
stupid things I'm raising my hand mhm and sometimes when people are drinking they get aggressive they might have the
right idea of Who's involved but they don't know what the mo motivation was Jennifer McCabe is somebody that we've
talked about a little bit throughout she is Brian's sister-in-law she is married and she has
really become a focal point of this trial and really become a focal point of the
defense where it's being suggested that she had awareness of what happened what truly
happened to John O'Keefe that night right and that she may have orchestrated some of the cover up I I'm hesitant to
dive into the details of that yet but let's talk about some of the the theories like if it were not to have
been Karen Reed because I'm sure there's no shortage of theories that you have heard right or read somewhere because
I've heard everything from well Colin and and John didn't get along and they must have got into it at
some point and then others jumped in and it became this what started off as maybe a
fight then turned into several men attacking and beating John O'Keefe I've also heard that the that
the dog Chloe the house dog that that lived at the house there was somehow involved either you know one version of
the story says that John was drunk and he stepped on the dog's tail and the dog bit him or attacked him and then the
owner stepped in and it turned into a two or three or four against one situation and then the other version is
that a fight broke out between Colin and John and the dog then came to the defense of the
homeowner who got involved it you know it's a I I feel like there's no shortage of scenarios yes possible scenarios and
and the truth is that if Jon did make it into that house one two three four of these people have to know what happened
to them maybe not all of them maybe not all of them well the problem is the inconsistencies of their story and even
on trial there's inconsistencies and then there's I think in multiple cases there's actual
proof that some of these people are lying like the the records tell us one thing and you're telling us something
else but then you're telling us that the records at this time of the cell phone data is correct but at this time you're
saying it's not correct and here's where the the police should be ashamed because
you have an officer dead at an officer's house after a bunch of people were drinking and driving and I don't think
they did a proper investigation they should have cornered who was in that house that night who was at the party
you question them right away so you can get a better timeline and they didn't do
that and that's not just to that's not just to protect the victim but that's to protect your other fellow officers that
are in the house and that's why we have all these questions and then look if you
can think it's a conspiracy I don't fault you at all I think you have to look at that with some wideopen eyeballs
so much time passes before their question and I think that's where the conspiracy kind of starts these
individuals are trying to get their story straight they're trying to remember what happened and oh what do
you remember okay you remember that and I remember this okay let's try to get our story straight and by definition
that's a conspiracy now you could make an argument that he never made it into the house but they're still conspiring
to try to get a a collective story to give to law enforcement to give to the media to give to the public well I'll
offer up a little opinion here no and that is remember she is initially charged with vehicular
manslaughter a much less severe punishment for a much less severe charge part of me believes before we get into
some of the other very crazy parts that are that you have to look at and go what
what what's going on here before we get to the what's going on here Parts part of me believes
that the officers the persons that responded to the scene they get to the scene they believe what they're looking
at is just a terrible accident that she accidentally hit him without any malice or without any
intention accidentally hit him killed him it's a horrible tragedy and accident and that's the call we're responding to
therefore that's the charges that came with it and because this was just an accident and and I I'm
not saying me the colonel I'm saying I the responding officer or the investigator makes the Assumption too
quickly that this was just a horrible accident then I tailor my investigation as such where H we we don't need to
press the envelope press the issue or push the envelope here with interviewing everybody in a strict disciplined manner
because you're right like and there there's varying degrees of reporting on this too and I hate to keep saying that
but but it's true unfortunately it's the truth where you you hear some say that oh they were never questioned at all
well that no that doesn't seem to be right because we are at trial now and the prosecutor and the defense are
constantly referencing statements that were given years ago and so you can't say they were
never questioned at all but it's how were they question and like the captain said one thing that seems to be ringing
true again I'm going to lean on what's being said in the courtroom rather than what's being said on a podcast what
seems to be ringing true is that yes they were spoken to yes they were interviewed if you want to call it that
but it would not be in the manner of hey come down to the police department and let's take a written sign sworn
statement right it's a more casual ual interview where you are interviewing people together husband and wife
together husband wife and maybe son together and like the captain said it it seems agreed upon even by the the
persons who are only being accused by the defense or in the media that being maybe the Alberts and um mccab and a few
other people that it sounds agreed upon by them that they that they've openly stated yeah we had kind of a let's call
it a family meeting right we had a we had a sit down where and I'm not I'm not saying every person that we just named
on the who's who but it sounds like a lot of them participated in this you know let's talk about what happened and
maybe that's just as simple as hey here's this person that we Loosely knew that was supposed to come to our house
we would have welcomed both of them in with open arms and this is this tragic event maybe this is a way of grieving or
coping with such a shocking tragedy and maybe there's no ill will there maybe they're
not trying to get their story straight but it's it's we have nothing to go on we don't know what was said during that
family meeting what we do know is that that family meeting should not have taken place before sworn statements were
given to law enforcement and what we do know about the eyewitnesses cuz many of them have said at trial oh well during
this conversation that I had law enforcement didn't even have a notepad out they didn't have a tape recorder
going they decided to collect evidence did you did you see this where they put evidence into red Solo cups yeah so you
are again and you're responding to and once you're on scene and you've you've you understand what's going on I
understand the the the difficulty of the job okay never having done it myself I know a lot of police officers and
detectives and as we said earlier come from a family of law enforcement so we have some understanding on how difficult
and how unfair the public can be to law enforcement on occasion because they are
regularly showing up to a scene where they have no clue what the hell happened before they got there right so we
understand that part of it but guess what now you're on scene and you got a fallen officer in front of you at your
damn feet can we get can we get something other than borrowing knocking on the neighbor
and getting redo cups in a paper bag to put the evidence in yeah it makes their profession look like clowns and that's
that's embarrassing and for all of the good Law Enforcement Officers we know out there they should be appalled they
should be embarrassed as well well and this is and I think if they would have done a thorough
investigation we wouldn't be talking about this case right now and here's the thing you do have the state police that
are going to be involved you have the Canton Police that are going to be involved but at the very center of this
is a Boston police officer who has tragically been killed and died and you also have a Boston
police officer that's the homeowner of the property where he was supposed to be going that night and Boston PD is a good
outfit it that's that's a a pretty good large police department and it's just sad I understand that you know it was
the Massachusetts State Police that that's a fairly good outfit too it's but I was a little I was very surprised to
see how this was handled and and I I know we we're probably hanging on this issue too long but so this is where the
conflict of interest be really plays and ties into it as the defense claims Michael Proctor is a massachusett state
police Trooper he led the investigation into what they refer to as the Karen Reed case Karen Reed's attorneys alleg
that Michael Proctor never fully disclosed that he had a personal relationship with multiple people
involved in this case yeah pathetic and they claim that this includes the Albert
family who lived at the home on the property where John's body was found now what we do know and this is very
interesting here to me we do know this seems to be a confirmation of this information right Michael Proctor is
under internal investigation for an undisclosed potential violation of Department policy Michael Proctor is
under internal investigation for an undisclosed potential violation of Department policy now d d to be
perfectly clear here we do not know what that means right undisclosed is why we do not know what it means however NBC 10
out of Boston has been on the record more than once saying that sources have told them now again this doesn't mean
that it's fact they're just reporting that sources have told us nbc10 Boston that that investigation that internal
investigation is connected to the Karen Reed case Proctor remains on full duty while the
internal investigation unfolds and obviously we're at trial now so they're not there's not a whole lot of actual
investigating of this particular case at this time but if they are looking at him
in relation to this specific investigation you have to wonder if they will uncover anything Internal Affairs
will uncover anything in their investigation that directly impacted the case the case and Proctor's
assessment of what he believed happened or what he says the evidence that they chose to put in red Solo cups and paper
bags that they borrowed from a house next door uh what that evidence told them pathetic it's it's all around
pathetic I think what we're also seeing at trial is look this is just my assessment but a lot of these
individuals that were in that house that day they come off as arrogant they come
off as entitled they come off as privileged and the disrespect the way they're not answering
questions and frankly to me I think a lot of them have been caught in lies the problem becomes if he doesn't if John
o'keith didn't make it into that house then they're not responsible for his death you can also be a [ __ ] liar and
trying to save your ass but not be the one responsible for somebody's death if that makes any damn sense well and I'll
give a big shout out and kudos to CBS and NBC they are covering this incredibly thoroughly right that I've
never SE it it's probably since OJ OJ or or um Casey Anthony yeah the case has been analyzed and and covered
so much and and and I I'm telling you there's all kinds of podcast out there that are just dedicating their whole
platform and if you go to a few different websites and news outlets their whole websites are just dedicated
to their coverage of this story and especially the trial so I want to give a shout out to CBS and NBC who that's
where I went to for most of my research um in this case because there was a a lot of choices and options and with the
bigname broadcasters that's where I chose to go now some quick details here captain that we'll have to sort through
after the break is a lot of the cell phone information so we have court documents that would later reveal that
in the weeks before and even the hours leading up to the night out that there were text messages between Karen Karen
Reed and John O'Keefe as well as voicemails that that is a record of a strained relationship a record of a
relationship in shambles and in fact investigators are saying that around 1:00 a.m. on January 9th this is the
night in question that Karen Reed allegedly left John O'Keefe a voicemail that said you are a effing loser f
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we review a case I struggle with this one what I don't struggle with Captain is counting my blessings that I wasn't
picked for jury duty for this one well just to be clear like you were saying before there's so many outlets that are
covering every little detail of this case so many emails of people saying hey when are you going to cover this case I
think if we waited till the end of the trial I think at that point there's a there's a judgment whether you agree or
not but this case has so many moving pieces it's very difficult to cover and that's not a cop out but this
case is fascinating and I've been almost every night tuning into long crime or other YouTube channels that are
replaying some of the the that day cross examinations and it it's very fascinating and if you're interested in
this case just dive in just dive in deep because the water is warm and shout out
to the law and crime people we go way back with them they are a fantastic outfit themselves so cell phone
information right it seems to be really at the the center and the centerpiece I believe for why persons have chose what
side that they are on and a lot of people arein to hey look Karen Reed yes guilty as hell did you
see did you hear about that voicemail that she left John where she drops the f bomb you know a dozen times or three or
four times or whatever it is calling him a loser he she hates him and then the flip side of that coin is people saying
well did you see the internet search that Jennifer McCay Brian's sister-in-law did this to me is very
fishy okay so here's the way for those of you that are not familiar with this story I
was going to you know put on your seat belt because it's going to get bumpy but you I hope you brought your raincoat
because there's going to be some [ __ ] yeah some [ __ ] some real [ __ ] it's a
real [ __ ] storm this case now got some [ __ ] [ __ ] on your foot apparently and again two different sides
of the story the defense team Karen Reed's defense team is alleging that there's record that
Jennifer mccab used her phone her personal phone to search internet search H hos long to die in cold around 2:30
approximately let's say 2:30 a.m. yeah it was 2:27 okay so to put this into clear
perspective here what this means is they believe that she was attempting to search how long to die in cold
at 2 roughly 2:30 a.m. this would mean this would be hours before John O'Keefe's body would be found out in the
cold having passed away having been killed and hypothermia being a contributing factor to his death right
so if this is in fact true if this is like Christopher Walkin would say the real deal if this were the real deal
then she is searching this hours before he is found hours before Karen Reed would be aware that he's been killed she
must have some knowledge as to why you know there there has to be some some information that she's privy to or
witnessed why she would be searching that at that time I think they call this guilty information yes but then what is
the prosecution's response to this claim that she never made the search well yes but also doesn't it get
a lot more complicated than that like this is this is where well her claim is that she never made the search she's
saying I only searched that because Karen asked me to yes when we were searching for John but so that happened
at like 6:20 in the morning but your cell phone doesn't just make [ __ ] up your cell phone's not going to just make
make up the fact that you did a search at 227 this is what's clear here prosecutors and the defense team all
agree all these attorneys agree that at some point the morning O'Keefe was killed someone Googled hos long to die
in cold the sides disagree on when the search was made again this was made on Jennifer mob's phone and I apologize I
keep saying her name in two different ways mcab maob prosecutors say that the search happened at 623 a
and 6:24 a.m. after finding J O'Keefe's body yeah with Jennifer stating I only searched that because Karen asked me to
and that she her testimony on stand is that I'm I typed it in incorrectly because of it was cold out my hands were
shaking I was in shock because we found him she has Ms as well and she she attributes all those factors as to why
she miss misspelled and typed did in this way she's saying that occurred after finding the body at the request of
Karen Reed the defense is saying so the defense says a federal forensic expert determined the search was made at 227
a.m. before the police were alerted that O'Keefe's body had been found there are
there's so many arguments about this there are some that say well she searched it at 2:27 a.m. and then
searched it did the same exact search later at 623 to override hoping that it would
confuse the data that she did the search after the body was found but here's where it gets a little more hair but
isn't there other debate about well there was a tab that was opened up on her phone yeah and that that might have
triggered the 227 Tim stamp even though she may not have searched for it until 6:23 a.m. but there's all this weird
[ __ ] okay let's just stay on this search real quick somebody searched that at 227
that's what I believe that's what the computer is telling us computers don't lie but then somebody has the the G the
balls to delete that search that's more incriminating and then on top of that but let let me jump in real quick
because it may not be there there are people that that naturally swipe away or or clear their history clear their
browser delete information from their phone or computer there are those types and they do it for reasons that they're
that are not nefarious I'm not saying that that I'm not saying I'm not saying that that's what occurred here I'm just
presenting this as something that that does occur on a regular basis by people that are not trying to hide their
misdeeds but well let's but let's go a little deeper first of all she says didn't make the search then she said she
didn't delete the search then she says she did she won't even know how to do so where her
husband is like an IT expert don't you think he would know so then I think the question becomes who made the search on
her phone and then I think you have to go a step back because there was supposedly six to seven butt dials that
she claims are butt dials now how does a butt dial work your butt call somebody ring ring ring the fingers
on your butt yeah the F the fingers on your butt called somebody but what happens normally it goes to somebody's
voicemail and if their voicemail is not full then the next day you get some weird message from somebody where
everybody sounds muffled and you sound like you're in somebody's pocket but that's not what happened there was
multiple calls to johon o' Keith's phone and I believe some text too that may have been deleted deleted as well and
then what they did was they deleted them they deleted the call and then when they
were asked about the calls she states well those must have been butt dials and the defense says well the problem with
that is you would have had to notice that you calling him and hung up the phone before it hit his voicemail well
and the prosecution doesn't completely deny all of that right the prosecution I think in on a couple of occasions are
pointing out that well she didn't speak with anybody she left the voicemail right so it this is where it this is
where the water gets too murky for me to come to a conclusion I believe that there is valuable
information in Jon O'Keefe's Phone Karen Reed's phone Jennifer McCabe's phone other people's
phones and devices and and there's been a lot of talk about Apple watches and smart watches I believe that there's
valuable information in them in their that could make this a much clearer picture for us the problem is I got one
side telling me hey we got a whole row of experts that say this information is absolute truth and then you got the
other side that says we got a whole row of people that's saying well it's all it's left for open to interpretation
that this is this is not concrete evidence you can't base anything off of off of these records or off of this data
I will say this and I want to preface this by saying Captain you know me longtime
listeners of the show know me I usually side with law enforcement a boot licker I would say it's closer to 6040 so let's
calm down about the licking of the boots licking boots I usually side with law enforcement I don't believe that
everybody out there is a bad guy but I do believe that people do bad things and and we our show is a is Testament to
that yeah I usually with law enforcement but one thing that I'm getting really effing tired about is that when
it comes to the cell phone and you said this at the start of yesterday's show and you you are so right and I and I
want not not only do I believe that you're right I want this to be right and I want it to be right forever going
forward I believe that these cell phones can be better at solving crimes than even DNA is however what I'm getting
really tired of is it seems to only work for the state or the prosecution right I've seen plenty of cases and this is
one where the all of this information I believe is at the center of it this is the Divide you have the state that goes
in a lot of cases go look his cell phone put him at the scene of the crime at the
time that the person was murdered and he's the only one this person had contact or information or sent text
messages or or hateful voicemails right they they bring up all she called him up
andless the voicemail saying she hates him that's against Karen Reed oh but then we're not supposed to believe any
of this other cell phone information from the other people which one is it right it either works or it doesn't work
you can't have it work for you all the time and that's like like I pointed we point this out when we talk about
polygraph examinations and West Memphis 3 Adon sayet there's so many cases that you can
go through and point to a polygraph examination and one thing that aggravates me to no end is that the
persons that believe that somebody is guilty what what do they bring up they go well he he didn't show up for the
polygraph exam he refused to give a polygraph exam oh he failed the polygraph and then the persons that
think and argue that that same person is innocent of that same crime that they're
charged with will argue the opposite they go oh he took one and he passed it oh you can't trust those things that's
why they don't use them in court well you can't have it work for your side all the time regardless of the result right
so this is a much more exact science than polygraph examinations these cell phones should be
solving more cases than DNA let's allow that to happen what the hell is going on
with oh well the privacy laws put in place do not allow us to share this information with law
enforcement what country what country do you work for where did you build your startup at you build it in this greatest
of Nations well they use little Chinese kids to I was going to say who are you working for the Chinese or the Russians
stop this [ __ ] and work with law enforcement and and if they if they subpoena the records yes if they
subpoena the records give them the records and then give us a person who can can make heads or Tales of it and
explain it to us like we're a group of monkeys living in a garage because there's two of us right here that would
like to know what the hell to think about this stuff and and I'll tell you this I will I will say this straight up
Captain this is why I have a hard time making a determination with this case because there's there we're being told
there's data on somebody's device johon O'Keefe's device that says he went up and down stairs three flights of stairs
yeah that to me says he went into that home after Karen dropped him off something happened to him inside that
house or or he left the house and somehow got a pack of wolves or or a crowd of people got him outside I don't know
but he he left and when Karen left he was fine he was his device was working he was alive and well he was working he
was moving around on his own but I've had very smart devices or at least I'm told they're topof the line right where
I'm like you know you you check your steps yeah you check your steps and it's like wait a second I've clearly walked
more than 800 steps today oh no you had that application open while you were at the gym and none of those steps counted
uh we didn't count those because you had the app open at the time or you were holding it in your hand listening to
your favorite True Crime garage podcast episode and it didn't it didn't sway the
way that it needs to sway to count the steps and I've had the opposite where I look at it and like you have walked over
two and a half miles today guess what Nick has never done in the last 10 years walk two and a half miles in one single
day so that I'm like oh yeah that's right I was on my bike I was on my bike and it recorded it as steps and I've
I've had the same I've I I I will say this not with my current day device and not with any device that I had in
2022 but prior to that I did have devices that recorded me going up a certain number of
flights of stairs that I did not Traverse and I've had other times where devices did not record me going up and
down as many flights of stairs that I did here's what I think I do know though I think the people inside that
party they try to get their story straight you can make an argument that they're innocent or guilty but I think
it's pretty clear that they try to get their story straight and that's why telling the truth is so freaking
important but that's why initial investigation where when you're questioning somebody
maybe you try recording it when you're questioning somebody pull out a goddamn notepad and then some people go well
that's easy for you to say well guess what I show up and do my goddamn job and I got a leg lamp to prove it it's a it's
a lamp you nin can poop it's a major award and I want it are there any parts of the trial that you've viewed or
listened to so far that you think are worth discussing or or that stand out to you as either being a a highlight or a
uh my big issue is again I think these people at the party there's some kind of conspiracy going on to try to get their
stories to match I think it's coming out with the cross-examinations that their stories don't match I think they're
picking and choosing what like you said what data from the phone is telling us we're picking and choosing what is true
and what is false and I just can't believe that a phone would make up 4 hours earlier that you did a
search and if somebody in in the IT world could prove me different than that but I also think these are privileged
upid Liars that's what they are does that make them murderers I don't know I wish I knew I
think you go back and look the cross-examination from the defense I think you should go back if you're
interested in this case and I think Jennifer's cross-examination that was one day was going to go on to the next
day I think that's if you're the jury and you believe that search or you don't believe that she's
telling you the truth and I think she's constantly lying I mean she's constantly
asking the defense can I see my previous statements well if you're telling this truth if you're telling the truth it's
so much easier to remember but when you're telling lies and you're trying not to get tripped up on those lies
you're going to ask to see what you said before mhm and I think this is pathetic
and it's a pathetic investigation and they should be ashamed of themselves they let down John o'keith
they let down Karen they let down every officer or every person those are civilians your job is to serve and prot
prot and you didn't serve or protect anybody in that house the day of the murders and I think there are I think
there's so much it's sick how privileged enti and entitled some of these people come across it's pathetic well they're
they're likely very much on the defensive because they have been harassed by some of the people that
believe that they are guilty of something yeah but they should be be pissed off at law enforcement because if
law enforcement does their job and they start clearing people and they get they get to the bottom of it and actually
establish a legitimate case well and what what I'm saying here is that that's where us as the public that's why it
bothers me when I see people get so up in arms about these different cases about who who they think's guilty and
who who's not guilty we have a system in place to sort that out like let's let's
take a step back let's all take a breath here and rather than harassing the Alberts or Jennifer maob
or even Karen Reed right rather than harassing these people let's let law enforcement do
their job expect law enforcement to do their job and let and expect the system to do its job as well and guess what
when somebody's locked up you can har you can harass them as much as you want after that right if uh but here's here's
the other thing too and I I'm sorry to Circle back to this but I I'm very angry about
this these privacy laws that they they can't step in and help out to clear up these matters instead we're going to
have the state and the defense pay air quote experts to come out and give their opinions and say this is my conclusion
and this is how I arrived at this conclusion with this data this information on these devices or
information that's been deleted from these devices can't we just have if it were to be Google that was used in that
search can't we just get Google to say here here's what happened here's how it happened and this is the information
that proves how and when that happened it' be a unbiased third party because you get a big name and I I I don't know
that it I want to be clear I don't know for certain it's been reported several times that it's been
Google I do not know 100% for myself that it was Google but what I do know is a lot of these big Silicon Valley
companies we've made them billionaires we've made our our public our masses have made them billions and billions of
dollars and I get that there are privacy laws in place I get that us as individuals should have our own privacy
but I also o get that John O'Keefe if this information can help lead us to the truth it should be delivered on a silver
platter and you want to site privacy laws and protections that you've put into order but guess what I'll shout out
a couple of our our lovely our our fantastic sponsors we we love we love you guys we love the listeners we love
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the devices that surround me now as we have speech later today or tomorrow they will present in an ad form to me one of
if not all three of those compan IES because they heard me say it they heard me speak it into existence well don't
cite privacy laws when someone's life hangs in the balance when you choose not to recognize those privacy laws when
you're trying to sell me some Pella Windows well and this is just extra proof that I need to stop talking about
party goats the trial is ongoing I will I will speak to the defense a little bit
of of some of the persons that uh have made statements I do think that their statements have evolved and that's the
word that keeps coming up by the defense when they're questioning Absolut these different individuals we we do need to
point out again there's scheduled to be a hundred Witnesses called and again they're not all people that were there
that night but these could be expert Witnesses medical examiner has not been called as of this recording so there's
going to be information that changes and gets better hopefully better and hopefully more clear as the trial
continues yeah but for the persons again that are being questioned on the stand that I've been able to review so far
leading up to this recording the defense keeps saying well has your your statement has evolved or your your
opinion of that night or recollection of that night has evolved your story has changed and I think that's a fair
statement because like the Captain's pointed out and I do agree these statements seem to be slightly different
than how they were delivered before in the exact details of what took place and when it took place has changed with with
these different people but I also point this out I've noticed the defense attorneys when they're questioning these
people they and this is a very tricky little thing that they do and I think I think it's a trick that they they're
using purposely doing this on purpose where they'll ask a question and then change a word or two and ask that
question again and then they'll change a word or two and then ask the question again and
it I I will defend when Jennifer mccab did point out to Alan Jackson she said he he's like why is this so difficult
for you to answer and she does point out well you keep changing the words to the
same question I'll defend her it because that was that was my take before she even said that in court I thought this
is a little annoying because we know how important words are remember we talked about in part one the reporting of the
conversation between Karen and I believe it was Jennifer where it's been reported
that Karen said if JN and I break up I hope we can still be friends and then the other reports are she said when Jon
and I break up I hope we can still be friends those two statements while only one word different have entirely
different meanings have entirely different meanings so again a 100 people 100 Witnesses should be called this
trial is ongoing a growing concern in this case and a very human statement and reminder this was from CBS News
overlooked in the Uproar some say is the loss of Officer O'Keefe and his family's
grief the larger and louder the protest quote the more it seemed as though J's Legacy was Falling Into Obscurity end
quote so on that note in closing we will reference what the Boston Police Department the statement that they
issued on behalf of the O'Keefe family saying quote John was not only a dedicated police officer he was an
exemplary Guardian son brother uncle and friend and we were so fortunate to have
him as a part of our lives when John's sister passed away and then her husband did as well a short time later JN
welcomed the opportunity to raise his beloved niece and nephew and build a home and a life around their needs
people talk about someone who would give you the shirt off of their back but that
was truly who John was and it is heartbreaking for us to suddenly be talking about him in the past tense we
appreciate the outpouring of support we have received but we ask for your privacy at this time and have nothing
further to say as we mourn this unbearable loss so rest in peace John O'Keefe and we await the outcome of this
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This week we respond to the many requests to cover the John O’Keefe case / Karen Read trial with two hours of Garage coverage. John O’Keefe was a veteran officer with the Boston Police Department. Sadly, he was killed in January of 2022. His body was recovered in the snow at the property of another law enforcement officer. John's girlfriend Karen Read is accused of hitting John with her vehicle and leaving him to die. The State says it’s murder. The defense says it’s murder. Now, hear what the Garage has to say.

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Brief Summary

Karen Reed's trial for John O'Keefe's death reveals conflicting witness statements and questionable investigation practices.

Key points

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Conflict of Interest in Investigation. Defense claims a conflict of interest in the investigation due to personal relationships.
Internal Investigation of Michael Proctor. Michael Proctor is under investigation for a potential violation of Department policy.
Voicemail from Karen Reed. A voicemail left by Karen Reed reveals a strained relationship with John O'Keefe.
Conflicting Search Times. The defense claims a search was made before John O'Keefe's body was found, raising questions.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Somebody else is responsible for the death of this man.

Discussion on accountability

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Tension

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