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[Music] [Music] my name is David big knee I'm an attorney and I'd like to talk to you
about Jennifer Casey it's time to bring Jennifer Quezon home if you have any information about what Jennifer is who
has taken her or the person of interest please contact a lawyer immediately ask a lawyer about protection you may have
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information that leads to the whereabouts of Jennifer or the person of interest please do the right thing
please do the right thing [Music] [Music] in regards to the disappearance and abduction of Jennifer Cassie Sargent
Barbara Jones of the Orlando Police Department had this to say quote we established a timeline of Monday when
she last talked to Rob which was about 10:00 p.m. to Thursday at around 806 when a resident of that condominium
complex located her car so that's about a 58 hour window she goes on to say we did obtain some video surveillance at
the condominiums where her vehicle was found and that surveillance video depicted a picture of a pedestrian which
we're classifying as a person of interest that video was taken on Tuesday the 24th at around 12:00 noon so Monday
at 10:00 p.m. until the following day at 12:00 noon is the time frame where we had that pedestrian who is a person of
interest in this case that we're desperately trying to find out who that is to see what they know about possibly
the whereabouts of Jennifer Cassie this has been one of the big questions in this case so let's take a look at the
possibilities of a nighttime abduction versus morning abduction when exactly Jennifer was taken is an extremely
divisive subject in this case there are two schools of thought and both we discussed a bit last week and more
importantly both have evidence backing them up this is one of the biggest mysteries wrapped inside this larger
mystery when you have a big fat blank spot in your timeline it is so key and instrumental to the investigation that
you shrink that window of time a bit squeeze the breeze and close that window a little so now we are looking at a 14
hour window for the purpose of her vehicle but more like just under 13 hours when you factor in the important
11 a.m. meeting she planned on attending at work that day and then very likely all the way to 7:45 a.m. when she should
have been leaving for work to get there at 8:00 a.m. now captain it seems obvious
that the Cassie's continue to believe that Jennifer was abducted in the morning as she left for work and there
is quite a bit of evidence to support this theory yeah let's go through this evidence okay
so one thing we have to factor in is Jennifer told Rob on the phone the night before that she was already in bed the
other item is we have a wet shower damp towel which show so many people say that
this is proof that she showered in the morning just before the time that she would usually leave for work right
Jen's contact lenses were missing and her glasses were on the sink implying that she woke up that morning took off
the glasses during the portion of getting ready for work she applies her contact lenses the bathroom sink we find
her makeup and hair dryer was out on the countertop her pajamas were on the floor
the bed had been slept in or at the very least was unmade we do have to factor some other things in regarding an unmade
bed but but I think it's somewhat fair to say that Logan and his friends who stayed there that weekend before leaving
an unmade bed at her condo when she was so nice to let them stay there would be would just be rude or disrespectful to
to the owner of the condo right and Monday night was her first night back so if someone was in the bed it almost
certainly had to be her the work clothes that she had there were two outfits laid
out that were found on the bed and these were clothes these were outfits that would match the missing shoes those
those shoes that she was so proud of her mother says look that she's trying to pair outfits with with her shoes that
she wanted to wear to work that day she told me she was going to be wearing these shoes to work that day yeah this
is business casual outfits not something you'd think that should wear at night so
all of these things point to Jennifer going to bed on Monday night waking up on Tuesday going about her normal
morning routine and then vanishing before she ever made it to the office that day by this theory someone
have been waiting for her outside of her condo or possibly at the bottom of the stairs knowing that she would come down
immediately this calls to mind the Jodi huisentruit case we covered in episodes two zero
eight and two zero nine but unlike Jodi Jennifer was not heard screaming she didn't drop all of her
things on the ground in their word no drag marks the more popular belief is that she was abducted at or in her
vehicle if someone was waiting for her and she unlocked the car mind you she's juggling all of these items that she has
with her her phone Travis's phone her briefcase in her purse someone could have tasered or chloroformed her and
shoved her in the vehicle and drove off or as she unlocked her car and went to load her stuff in a van could have
pulled up and hauled her in and someone else drive her car away to make it look like she had left if either of these two
things are what happened whoever took Jennifer must have known that no one was likely to be around to witness this
abduction keep in mind this was broad daylight when Jen usually left for work and taking her from a visible parking
lot is quite risky on the other hand there are strong proponents of the theory that Jennifer was abducted at
night as we said the Orlando Police Department at least initially embraced this theory saying that her cellphone
seemed to be on the move late Monday night perhaps she had gone out to find a FedEx location to send Travis's phone
although she had told Logan her brother that she would mail it on Tuesday the kesi say there is no way that she would
have gone out and that this would have happened but one thing that drew cassie alluded to does bolster the nighttime
abduction theory he said that while Jennifer was on the phone that Monday night someone knocked on her door
Jennifer looked through the peephole and said that it was the male neighbour and
that she was going she wasn't going to in the door but this story is very strange for one thing we know that
Jennifer didn't really have many neighbors keep in mind this condominium complex it's about half empty at this
time right by some reports only two people lived in her wing of that building this also goes along with the
fact that nobody heard a scream there might not have been anybody there to hear a scream yeah
the old if a tree falls in the woods situation right and for someone as safety conscious as Jen it's a little
bizarre that she didn't make more of this incident the knocking on the door at night this has led to much
speculation that Jennifer knew who was at the door and maybe possibly lied to whomever she was talking to which I
believe was robbed at this time perhaps then letting the person in because she knows them but not wanting to tell her
boyfriend hey this person I know is at the door and I'm letting them in at night yeah well you also wondered too if
she let her brother and his friends stay at her condo is this just the neighbor coming by to check in on her or tell her
that there were rowdy or tell her that there was no problems with them all weekend so here's the thing that I think
we should address before we move on too far is we are hearing this story of someone knocking on her door Monday
night around 10 o'clock or just after 10 o'clock basically third or fourth hand by this point we're hearing it from her
father who is discussing a conversation she was I believe to have been having with somebody else with Ryan so we're
getting this information from Rob to Drew and then drew her father is passing it along to the public and one thing
that I heard when this was discussed was a reference to not only that this was a
male neighbor but I believe that at one time drew used the the words or the sentence oh it must be the man upstairs
you know like a neighbor man that lived above her and I got to thinking about this captain
I wonder having lived in apartments and you've lived in apartments and we lived in one together and remember I would
always blast my music and theater I didn't mean to be a jerk but I was I was insensitive to those around us and
therefore I tried to become friends with the one neighbor who I was bothering the
most with the the loud music you know so we were on a first-name basis with him as he was often reminding me could you
please turn down the music it's late at night where my mind kind of goes with this is sometimes when we lived in our
apartment you would hear a knock and assume that it was coming that someone was knocking on your door then you go
and you look through the peephole and there's nobody there and then you figure it out you put it
together like oh I'm hearing somebody knock on the neighbor's door I wonder if if there's a chance that no one was
there and that that statement that Jennifer made was just interpreted wrong is there a chance that she is on the
phone middle of the conversation goes up I think I just heard somebody knock at the door gets up looks at the people
there's no one there but her statement is oh it must be the man upstairs I'm not gonna open up the door right well it
must be the man upstairs may mean she thinks that the knock is on the neighbor's door upstairs I'm not going
to open the door and this is really just nothing that has to do with her disappearance at all right or like you
said it's somebody else and she's telling her boyfriend it's just the neighbor right this really cute guy just
knocked on my door Yomi now another fact that could add to the nighttime abduction theory is
something that Joyce Cassie said and this was that a men's size medium Banana Republic sweater was found in Jennifer's
laundry hamper under some other clothes now Rob her boyfriend was a size large he says this was not his sweater but
there could be a possible explanation for this a very simple one it actually could have belonged to Jennifer even
though it was a men's sweater many women buy men's clothing cozy casual laying around the house
or just for some kind of look that she was going for Jennifer keep in mind was five foot
eight and 130 pounds so she probably I asked a few of our lady friends or my lady friends and several of them said
that this would fit like a men's size medium that sweater could have belonged to some dude or it could have belonged
to Jennifer and again just like the knock it could be something that has nothing to do with the case at all that
it's not important it was found in her condo because that's where you would expect to find it if you knew it was
hers the thing about all of this stuff especially the sweater let's let's dig through this sweater real quick because
here's one one piece of information that we do know that comes to mind we have her mother that she had conversations
with Jennifer regarding outfits shoes we know that to be true right so what I'm thinking about here is when the parents
and brother and brother's friend arrived at her condo and they're looking through
her things and they're going oh this looks like a morning abduction or it looks like she went vanished sometime in
the morning because it appears that she was getting ready for work we have two outfits right they are lying out there
they're prepped they're sitting there waiting for her to compare them to the shoes or consider wearing them to work
that day if she did in fact get ready for work and left that day wearing those shoes that her mother says that she
wanted to wear that day then there is an outfit missing what this tells me is that even though we have all of these
conversations and her family knew her well she had lived on her own for quite some time her mother is not able to
provide anybody saying this is the outfit that was missing from her condo right she was wearing something this is
what was missing we don't have that so I wouldn't expect her parents to be able to provide us with a full inventory of
all of her clothing I think very likely that this sweater just belongs to Jennifer Cassie yeah it also could be
like Acts boyfriend sweater that she just liked and kept kept around yeah many people
have also suggested that because of Logan and Travis and then even her ex-boyfriend Matt visiting her condo
that weekend before they've questioned could this just simply be one of their sweaters I think not because it seems to
it seems too easy for one of those three young men to identify this as theirs right now the biggest reason we need to
consider a possible nighttime abduction is Jennifer's cell phone now as we heard
from Drew Cassy police said based on cell tower ping evidence that Jennifer was out and about on that Monday night
possibly even going to a sketchy area as they called it because her phone in Travis's phone were pinging on towers
indicating that she was out and about and it could indicate that she left some time after that phone call with Rob that
night right let's keep in mind this was 2006 before cell tracking technology was
as sophisticated as it is today it was hardly an exact science as we know from serial but the pings pointed out by the
Orlando Police Department made no sense and this is according to drew Cassy he stated that the Orlando Police
Department ping results should be completely disregarded apparently they showed Jennifer's phone pinging on two
separate towers miles apart at almost the exact same time right obviously this could not accurately reflect the
whereabouts of her phone since she could not be in two places at once according to Drew Verizon had the pings
happening quote all over the place further the Orlando Police Department told drew Cassy at one point that Jen's
phone and Travis's phone appear to have been powered down or had the batteries removed sometime around 10:40 or 10:50
p.m. on Monday night we can only presume that the Orlando Police Department believed this because
the phone's stopped pinging at this time but they have since backed off of this time frame the police department and the
Cassy's said Jen never turned her phone off she always charged it and it had it and
had it with her this is a this is a difficult thing here and I would love to know the science behind it not so much
the science behind it on current cell phones on her phone and the activity that we could expect from her phone that
she was using back in 2006 would the phone still ping when shut off does it only stopped pinging once the battery is
completely removed because I've heard the kesi say time and time again that they believe that Jennifer would have
used her phone for an alarm clock that she very likely would not have shut her phone off right
again she lived on her own for quite some time I'm just recalling back to 2005 and 2006 and 7 for me and thinking
about cell phones as they were and as they were used back then by by a lot of us it was much different than how we use
our phones today we we reach for them for almost everything today back then it wasn't so much the case I mean we know
that Jennifer had a landline because her cell phone was not great it was spotty at best
once inside her condo yeah which is super old-school well it's it's old-school for today but not in 2006 I
had a landline up until I believe 2007 and to top that off I can recall even in 2007 and eight still using an alarm
clock and because we didn't trust our cell phones back then the way that we do now you know I remember I lived in
Columbus Ohio it's a major city my cell phone that I had back then barely worked
inside my home if I went down to the basement nada couldn't do anything with it down in the
basement you know as far as reception goes and so I almost feel like this is a time when people were still you
landlines we know she was using one this is a time when people were still using alarm clocks I'd like to know if she if
they had financial records of her because all I could think is like she getting ready for bed she's in bed other
than maybe letting somebody into the house what would be her motivation to leave you know maybe other than this
FedEx box well let me drop off this phone and the FedEx box I don't buy that she would do that I've I should I think
she'd just do that at work mm-hmm but I think you know Steak and Shake pretty late at night can get me to go
out of my house true debt or sometimes like you get a hankering for a blizzard mm-hmm and you
decide at eleven o'clock to go to Dairy Queen so now on the the the opposite end
of that where they where the parents say hey she wouldn't have turned off her phone she wouldn't have done this she
wouldn't have done that one thing that they say is she would not have left they but they believe from what they know of
their daughter that once she was in for the night she was in for the night and you brought up the FedEx thing with the
cell phone with Travis's cell phone and that is what is brought up the most the problem with this is 10 o'clock at night
there's not a FedEx store open at that time right Jennifer's smart she knows what's going on she's gonna be aware of
this she's not going out looking for a FedEx store at 10 o'clock at night now you said something interesting there
what if it's just a Dropbox that she's looking for I guess she could have brought some
materials home from work or whatever to to prep that box and drop it off somewhere again and I know everything
isn't in you know I can't relate everything to our own personal life experiences but at my work for years we
had stamps.com and once I had that in my life at work I wasn't going out making special trips to
ship anything man right I only ship stuff Monday through Friday when I was at work and our work
encouraged us to use it yeah we had to use our own money for it but it was so convenient you're not making it
extra trip anywhere you have to be there for work anyway and the thing is she would have found the phone if I
understand the way that her Monday went she very likely would have been unaware that Travis's phone would be found in
her condo until she was already on her way home from work on that Monday because we know that she kind of got
stuck on this trip they couldn't fly back to where they wanted to fly to and she had to drive from from that location
right into work that day work a regular day and then on her way home she has a conversation with her parents and then
has a conversation with her brother Logan I am of the belief that that is when Logan informed her hey my buddy
Travis you know Travis he left his cell phone at your condo could you ship it to
him so if she doesn't know about this thing until she's already on her way home she wouldn't have known to bring
any boxes or any shipping materials with her home right so it just seems so unlikely and then the other factor too
is Rob is saying that she said I'm in bed I almost feel like captain that this 1040 or ten fifty p.m. Monday night with
the phones being powered off I have two major thoughts on this one could be that
she just in fact shut them off and they they no longer performed any ping activity after that took place right why
would she do that you don't want to be disturbed when you're trying to sleep maybe she has an alarm clock all right
you don't know what kind of activity Travis's phone is going to have to write when you're trying to sleep and you got
to go to your work the next day so maybe she did just in fact power them off the
other question I have is we are hearing this second or third fourth hand however
you want to take it and we have been told by Drew Cassie that this information was relayed to them by the
Orlando Police Department that at that time early on in the investigation they thought something happened that night
and they were using this ping technology or their lack of understanding of the ping technology at the time to support
that theory he is saying not only did we have this conversation but they had the
conversation with me and my family and when we left that meeting the three of us both had different opinions on
exactly what they were trying to tell us he also says that they did walk that back a little bit in future discussions
with the family so where my head goes is there a chance and we've seen this in some other cases where officers looking
to provide a timeline an accurate timeline for the events of what took place they're reaching out to Verizon
into the to these cell phone companies to get information and sometimes there's a something gets lost in translation is
it possible that this could be 10:40 a.m. 4:00 10:50 a.m. it could be something as simple as that
so it's interesting to look through this and I think that what we really have to
hone in on is that it appears to me from everything we're being told by Dru Cassie that the ping information is very
likely inaccurate so it's really hard to know how much value to put on this information the Cassie's believe the
phone information is absolutely useless as there is no way to know what is correct and what is not we know that
Jen's family says there is no way that she would have gotten dressed after telling Rob she was going to bed and
heading out what Travis's phone that's the other weird thing if she goes out why would she if she's not going to
FedEx why would she bother to even take Travis's phone with her right unless it you know people point out well maybe it
was already in the car in her briefcase for the next day yeah we don't know but it seems like a lot of things have to
line up for this to to be a real thing the thing the thing here though is there's one more possibility surrounding
a possible nighttime abduction Dru kesi stated on the unconcluded podcast that a
set of keys to the condos had been stolen the month before and the manager's office had a key making
machine that could be easily accessed by just about anybody drew told Jennifer to
get her locks changed but she hadn't got around to it it is theoretically possible that Jen
was asleep that night and someone entered her apartment and took her managing to do so stealthily
and without causing any disruption but they would also have had to have taken her briefcase work shoes both cellphones
car keys purse iPod it it just seems crazy that somebody would go in and get her that night and determine all the
things that should be missing from her condo that you would expect to be missing had she gotten ready for work
and left the house on her own it just seems like too much for the perpetrator to put together and then to top that off
we know that the pepper spray was found on a countertop in her condo we know that even though the security system was
not being used at that time by her there was a panic button there was a panic button in her bedroom this seems like I
get it that the daytime parking lot abduction seems risky but even somebody that could have got into her condo then
you have to deal with the fact that she she could try to defend herself with the
pepper spray she could grab anything for a weapon in her condo and she could hit
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all right cheers mates don't be rude to your neighbors be nice try to play nice in the sandbox we won't we need to give
the Orlando Police Department some credit here right we were you talk about being rude we might have been a little
rude to them last week but where they showed a lot of effort was the searches for Jennifer Cassie now we cannot go
through all of the searches that were conducted over the years as the Orlando Police Department pursued every tip and
lead that came in over 1,000 leads have been investigated in this case Dru Cassie has said many times that the
Orlando Police Department was fantastic and following up on tips jumping into action and conducting major searches
when credible tips came in and there have been many but he said the Orlando Police Department completely failed to
actually generate any leads themselves he believes that this is why Jennifer's case is where it stands today which is
unsolved once the Cassie's convinced the Orlando Police Department that Jennifer
had not willingly disappeared the usual searches were conducted this started with the areas in a five-mile
radius surrounding mosaic at millenia and the Huntington on the green ware grid searches conducted by officers
volunteers dogs and people on horseback this included major roads these took place over the course of several days
the area searched was bounded by Texas Avenue Orange Blossom Trail Oak Ridge Road and Holden Avenue at one point 1200
volunteers were involved in a search engineered by child watch of North America the wooded areas between the
mosaic and millenia and the Huntington on the green were searched including a wooded area near Huntington on the green
where a scent was found storage closets in Jennifer's building were also searched we do not know whether the
large pond at the complex was scoured but knowing the kissies they likely demand
let it be searched empty condos in the building were inspected but it is not believed that forensic tests were
conducted on any of them the Orlando PD conducted several door to door knock inquiries at both Huntington on the
green and the mosaic at millenia right but they they process her car but you said last week that they didn't process
her apartment correct and I'm not saying that they are right in doing so or going
about it this way but I think that this is why they process one and not the other keep in mind when her family first
discovers that Jennifer is missing the police don't really believe that anything nefarious took place they think
she just got mad at her boyfriend she took off for a little bit she's gonna be back so we have people coming and going
from her condo before they believe that they need to process this condo unit right but they shouldn't assume I get in
any investigation you shouldn't start off by assuming anything well here's where they may have made a good
assumption when they found the vehicle they immediately went okay now we're on board because we found her vehicle we
thought she just took off why are we finding her vehicle and not her and on top of it I think it's even more
suspicious that it's found within walking distance of her condo complex right it was just saw a worse area so
immediately they believe that wherever she is like the answers and where Jennifer Casey is at this point in our
case the infant stages of the case we believe the car is the key this is the map this is going to tell us either what
happened or where she is or or who is responsible so the vehicle itself was processed now one of the popular
theories out there is that she could have been carjacked or she was taken after she was in her vehicle as we
discussed last week captain eventually they released this vehicle it was turned back in and it was turned back into the
bank because it was it was not paid it was a leased vehicle personally I believe here that if if the police
department if they found anything anything in there to suggest that that is where the abduction took place or
that unfortunately I hate to say these things out loud but these are the things we have to discuss or she was killed in
that vehicle right or stored in that vehicle for any length of time I'm not so sure that they would release that
vehicle that to me almost indicates that at least they don't believe that something major took place inside that
car right continuing on with some of these searches we have the local news reported that a search of heavily wooded
areas near the Huntington on the green was searched this is in January of the same month that she went missing
January 30th they state here that a scent was picked up in the woods tips alleging where Jennifer could be found
led to scores of searches including an abandoned hotel a vacant timeshare complex a retention pond that was
drained and so on and so on after police picked up on street rumors and received a credible tip that Jen was
alive and being held against her will at a boarding house on 4th I'm sorry 40th Street in Oak Ridge this is 2.6 miles
away from where she lived this home was invaded on February 12th by a SWAT team they're looking for Jennifer they're
looking for any evidence that she would have been there before this date nothing
was found there was no evidence that she had ever been there at all the location
was near Huntington on the green and it was owned by somebody with more than 20 arrests I don't have what this person's
arrest history is but just noted that 20 arrests in 2008 Texas Equusearch arrived
in Orlando this was to help search for Caylee Anthony but they also conducted a search of the woods near mosaic they too
found nothing in 2009 there was also a massive search that was conducted it was a fruitless search it came in by way of
tip but in 2010 Orly OPD received a credible tip about an overgrown field this is located on
Orange Blossom Trail near Oak Ridge Road which is now the site of a Walmart not too far from Huntington on the green
cadaver dogs hit on a spot here and the Orlando Police Department used backhoes sifters and ground-penetrating radar
this search was one of the more significant ones that renewed the Cassy's hope that Jen would be
discovered but it came but nothing came of it we should note here that multiple online
sleuths have posted that this search location was very close to where one of the known suspects and we'll call him
Adam for now the he resided near this area around this time or at the time of her abduction now there was no way for
me to verify that I was unable to verify that he actually lived near this location at the time of the abduction in
2012 there was also another major search and then in 2015 the kesi family received a tip that Jennifer was buried
in a national park near Miami this again was another massive search using land air and sea vessels unfortunately
nothing was found yeah and think about the emotional rollercoaster the family has to go on you think that there's a
solid lead you you go through the proper channels to get a proper search and then
you find nothing yeah a lot of these searches look like something was going to come of it and then we also have
statements they have been made to lead us to believe that something promising was coming from the investigation itself
right so we have one of the detectives on the case made public statements sometime around mid February of 2006
that the Jennifer Cassie case would be coming to a conclusion within the next week or so he said that they had viable
evidence and were tracking down certain transients clearly since it's now almost
14 years later and 1,000 dead-end leads later he was speaking out of turn right drew Cassie told a reporter in
2009 that the police had thought they found the driver of the car of Jennifer's car who parked it at the
Huntington on the green but they were they were wrong and so the search continues there have been some using air
quotes here captain sightings of Jennifer Cassie over the years yeah there's been a lot that has
been reported there's been a lot that have been called in there were a lot that were featured on the unconcluded
podcast unfortunately it's very time-consuming to go through these possible sightings and really to me I
don't want to I don't want to feel like I'm doing anybody a disservice here but I feel like I'd be doing you a
disservice if we go through all of these because they don't seem to be credible at all in my opinion I agree in April of
2006 the man who owns the company that Jennifer Cassie worked for David Sigal he put up two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars as a reward in her case and then the following year he decided to raise this amount all the way up to $1,000,000
well this comes with the stipulation though for if you want to get the $1,000,000 he's stating you need to tell
us where she is we need to find her and she needs to be alive now no one ever has claimed any of this money the FBI
did get involved in her case this was in 2010 four years after Jennifer vanished
when they became involved this was at the request of Drew and Joyce Cassie I'm guessing that they probably were
requesting this for quite some time before it actually took action the feds agreed to review the evidence
that the Orlando Police Department had compiled up to that date they also brought in Logan her brother and drew
her father they brought them in for questioning and they gave Logan a lie-detector test
drew offered to take one as well but they declined which is kind of trying to read between the lines here of why they
would decline that my guess would be the one one here's what we do now once she was reported missing or told to the
family that nobody could find her she wasn't at work wasn't where she was supposed to be couldn't get ahold of her
couldn't find her at her condo and her vehicle was missing from her parking spot her parents and her brother and her
brothers fent friend jumped into action right at that time they had to make a very long drive to get to her condo
complex the reason why I think drew is of less importance for the investigation is because there's no way for him to be
a suspect there's no way for him to have moved that car moved her car and also be
driving to her condo at that exact same time right same goes for Logan who we know was in route as well but why do you
let him take the lie detector test and not really go into one with the father well you don't really need the father to
do one so much if you get what you wanted from Logan and where I'm going with this captain is I would think as an
investigator at that time that the people that I should possibly be looking at might be the two friends of Logan's
and if he is able to provide them with answers regarding Matt and regarding Travis and the FBI are going well
neither mad nor Travis look so good at this time we don't know what additional information drew could provide us at
this time regarding those two individuals and maybe they don't like those two individuals after they get
done talking to Logan they don't like them as suspects thank you we don't know what else was done in these regards
regarding the FBI but essentially the FBI only reviewed the case and made some recommendations to the Orlando Police
Department regarding how that agency should proceed from there now by February 2011 the FBI announced
that it was ending its involvement in the Jennifer Casey case drew Casey said that they told him quote your daughter
seems to have vanished we do not know exactly why or how and we really have nothing to go on end quote yeah it seems
the more we do this show the more we hear about individuals just disappearing into thin air almost we have some
suspects that we can discuss here captain and I think there's some that we can clear off along the way there's some
certainly that look better than others in this case first let's discuss who everybody would kind of make the leap to
immediately in this case is Jennifer's boyfriend right Rob Allen as we discuss the Orlando Police Department looked at
Rob as someone who might be connected to Jennifer's case however Rob cooperated fully with the investigation in fact he
contacted the Orlando Police Department detectives on Jennifer's case before they called him he submitted DNA took
polygraphs and gave countless interviews to police his alibi by the way for Tuesday the 24th is that he was at work
and this checks out now we should keep in mind that this assumes a daytime abduction Rob could in theory have drove
all the way up to Orlando after their 10:00 p.m. phone call and got into the condo abducted got rid of Jennifer and
then got to work back in Fort Lauderdale in time right but also doesn't look like
the suspect driving the vehicle that's correct in addition to this his cell phone usage shows that he was in Fort
Lauderdale in the time frame in which Jennifer went missing he from my understanding is considered to be
cleared Rob is still close to this day with the Cassie's and still helps out as much as he can in finding Jennifer by
participating in TV shows and articles regarding her case we also can bring up Drew and Logan Cassie father and brother
it's you know we've already kind of gone through this so I don't think that we need to dive into this one too much more
right because these are two loving family members they don't seem to be any way involved
in the abduction of their sister or daughter logan was polygraphed by the FBI as we mentioned when it commenced a
review on the case in 2010 drew offered to be polygraphed but they didn't take him up on it
both men were eager to do whatever necessary to not only rule themselves out but to move on and help the Orlando
Police Department move on with their investigation on a lot of these cases that somebody just goes missing or
disappears into thin air there's normally a time where family members might act a little strange I don't think
you see that in this case right if anything that you see not only are the parents acting in the manner that you
think they should but almost the way you wish all parents would act in these situations they're they're leading the
charge yeah and it's all it's as you just said that if I were to go missing this is how you would want somebody to
react and to hold on to your case and lead the charge to find you right one person who the police looked very hard
at was Jennifer's ex-boyfriend Matt Sullivan he's remember he's a friend of Logan's they had been broken up for well
over a year by the time she went missing but remember that Matt was in Jennifer's
condo while she was in st. Croix hanging out with Logan and Travis drew Cassie has said repeatedly that Matt did not
easily get over the break-up and they he tried to get back together with her on more than one occasion we have seen
reports that by the time Jennifer vanished in 2006 that Matt had actually moved on and was dating someone else
yeah but at least initially he was not happy about this breakup Logan Cassie said that the Orlando PD
quote put Matt through the wringer and quote this is probably because not only was Matt at Jen's place that weekend the
weekend before she went missing but on Monday night the 23rd when many people believed
that it's possible that she was taken that night Matt was at a bar across the street from the mosaic at millenia now
we should point out here this was not just some dive bar that nobody ever goes in this was a very popular bar called
the Blue Martini according to drew Cassie reports were that Matt was very drunk that night and he lived he lived
about thirty minutes away so let's keep that in mind because that that looks Buber suspicious when you hear all Logan
and Travis and the Cassie family lived two hours away yeah or three hours away I'm sorry
whatever it may be that's a much bigger distance than Matt Matt lived somewhat in the Orlando area he lives only about
30 minutes away from Jennifer Cassie's condo and this bar which is across the street so what you're saying is this
guy's drunk pretty drunk at this bar yeah but he's thirty minutes from his home so he drove 30 minutes drunk that's
not what I'm saying I don't know how he got home that night what I can say is there are reports that he did return to
his residence that night and these reports are coming from his I believe he had two roommates at the time right that
we're saying that he was home around 1:00 or 1:30 in the morning so it's one of those things captain where it's
either suspicious or it's straight-up a coincidence and it's easy to see why people have followed who have followed
Jennifer's case are very interested in Matt although we should point out that his involvement seems to be 100%
speculative if he was across the street he could have called her that night and said hey let me come over
I'll grab Travis's phone and you know mail it for you because where he lives doesn't help get the phone - Travis any
faster right but we also have Jennifer's parents saying that they don't find this
to be like cailli they don't think that she would open the door for someone at night and
possibly even if it was mad that she wouldn't open the door this is tricky though because we do have
the statement about the knock remember the knock on the door right that drew cassie said happened when Jen
was on the phone Jen said it was a neighbor what if it was Matt and she didn't want to tell
anyone because Matt was her ex that makes a lot of sense mm-hmm Matt would certainly be familiar with Jennifer's
condo and possibly her routines he could have killed her in an argument it doesn't have to be something that was
planned and staged the condo to look like she had gone to work on Tuesday it's certainly a theory that we can't
dismiss offhand but unconcluded reported that both Matt and his buddies he was with that night were questioned they
seemed to have been cooperative and that Matt agreed to a polygraph although Orlando Police Department never
followed through on that and again they should have I I think that's stupid you're not with you you you have the
opportunity to just take it because maybe later you find some stuff and you don't get the opportunity because he
asked the lawyer up but he also doesn't really look similar to the suspect driving her car either that's correct
and there were some reports early on that he was not at work the next day which could just mean that yeah he was
drunk and hungover and didn't make it to work the next day or it could mean that he was busy
cleaning up his mess from the night before right the problem with that statement is we also have statements
that say no that is incorrect he was at work the next day the problem to that that I want to point out is a lot of
people suggest and say that well Matt looks good to me because he doesn't seem to be willing to discuss the case
publicly or go on the record with the you know a newspaper or sit through an interview right and and be filmed but
he's willing to take a polygraph test he's willing to take a polygraph test and everybody that is close to the case
seems to be saying the same thing that he was cooperating with police he mat did at one time release a
statement that said look early on in the investigation when this became big news
down in Florida I was willing to talk with newspapers or with with with the news and media in general the time that
I did do that the one time that I did do that they took my story and twisted it all
around when it finally came out and he you know once bitten twice shy he doesn't want to do another interview
with the newspaper with media because he feels like this could easily happen again that's that's the difficult thing
to for the public to keep in mind you can sit down and discuss the case or what you know or don't know about the
case of somebody that you know intimately somebody that you were on the inner circle of with the media but after
that interview is over you have you you are powerless on how they choose to release it on what they choose to cut
from your interview of what they choose to include and sometimes even the order that they decide to rearrange things
I've always heard that if you're going to do an interview like that where where it could be tricky for you later on in
life the best thing to do is to record the interview yourself right even if it's just audio and go that way you have
something to to back your own back yourself up and say look they they twisted this whole thing up they're
making me sound or they're making me look guilty when in fact these are my answers to their questions
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Brief Summary

Jennifer Cassie disappeared in 2006; theories of her abduction and police investigation are discussed.

Key points

The Disappearance of Jennifer Casey. Jennifer Casey vanished under mysterious circumstances, leading to a complex investigation.
Divisive Theories on Abduction Timing. Theories about when Jennifer was abducted create tension and debate.
Comparisons to Jodi Huisentruit. The case draws parallels to another high-profile disappearance, raising questions.
Theories of Abduction. Conflicting theories arise about Jennifer's disappearance, including possible nighttime abduction.
The Search for Jennifer Cassie. Over 1,000 leads investigated by the Orlando Police Department, but no solid evidence found.
The Reward for Information. A reward for information about Jennifer's case was raised to $1,000,000.

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This has been one of the big questions in this case.

Discussion about the timeline of Jennifer's disappearance.

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