Raymond Timbrook /// Part 2 /// 565 | Forensic Files

when it comes to Quality sleep Ashley has you covered with top mattress brands at winning prices and with special
financing options available you can snooze now and pay later plus your mattress purchase helps give the gift of
better sleep to children in need and US Special Operations forces visit your local Ashley store or shop online today
and make every snooze count financing is subject to credit approval C store or ashley.com for d ails Shopify is the
global Commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business with the internet's best converting
checkout 36% better on average compared to other leading Commerce platforms Shopify helps you turn browsers into
buyers in fact Shopify Powers 10% of all e-commerce in the US sign up for a $1 per month trial period at shopify.com
podcast free all lowercase shopify.com podcast free shopify.com podcast [Music] [Music]
free [Music] welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you're doing thanks for
listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always is a man with a warning that you should watch out because first it
was Pluto and next it's Uranus here is the captain yeah don't make me crawl up there and make you a puppet it's good to
be seen and good to see you thanks for listening thanks for telling a [Music] friend today we are happily sipping on
this fine brew from six sense Brewing Co called Merc juice Merk juices 6 cents Brewings Flagship beer and one sip will
tell you why this is a juicy double IPA with a clean finish four and 3/4 bottle caps out of five and here's a shout out
to beer fun contributor and Super Fan Christine and way Mills Maryland big shout out to Julie a in parts unkknown
next we have Jeremy and Fitchburg Massachusetts shout out to the great Ricky rackman for an unforgettable
Fitchburg rant on the old Headbangers ball and a big we like your jib to Ashley D in Parts Unknown and here's a
big shout out to Diana in Savannah and cheers to Diana's daughter as well they are listening buddies and last but
certainly not least we have Kelly and orange Veil California everyone we just mentioned chipped in on the beer fund
this week and we are sending all of you peace and love cheers yeah be patient people cuz we are behind on the beer
shout outs but BW R thank you so much for the support thank you so much for the love and thanks for listening to the
old episodes we have 560 some episodes that you can listen to for free and that's enough of the
business all right everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true
[Music] crime it's been 30 years since the murder of Raymond Tim Brook and ironically Captain here are the words
from a pretty extensive article from the summer of 1992 about Ray's case and the
article starts off the longer it takes the colder the trail gets the colder the trail gets the harder it becomes to find
the killer Raymond timbrook has been dead since Friday the 13th of March 1992 someone pumped two bullets into his head
at nearly Point Blank Range and ended his existence on Earth's physical plane Raymond timbrook is now a ghost a member
someone knows why Tim Brook is dead the Killer is still at large he or she knows
exactly why they killed him and how they killed him with all the Intrigue that surrounds his death the killer even
knows if Tim Brook was killed for someone else Tim Brook doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would be involved in
some kind of mystery but then you never know those words were true back then in 1992 and they're still True to this day
where we left off yesterday Captain we had discussed this woman who presents herself to the family as Raymond's
fiance at his funeral we learn a little bit about that woman we learn a little bit about reay's work continuing on our
timeline here though another very important stop along the timeline is in May of 1992 and this is May 29th 1992
when the Kirtland Hills Police Department publicly released a composite sketch of a man seeing talking to Tim
Brook in The Hunting Hills subdivision the man remains unidentified but is described as in his
40s with Sandy colored hair the shame in this case is if you want to go down some
rabbit holes as far as the internet's concerned there's not going to be many that you find the information just
doesn't exist anymore or if it does exist it seems to leave out certain people's names and some information uh
but we do have a this sketch that we'll be putting out on social media Instagram
Facebook and Twitter yeah this is a case that is difficult to do internet sleuthing on now websleuths is a very
good source for the Raymond timbrook case and another great source over the years and especially recently has been
WKYC news now we have a friend over there his name is Phil Trexler our connection is he also works at
porchlight to try to help bring closure to some Ohio cold cases now Phil Trexler
is an executive producer for WKYC investigative unit and he's also spent plenty of time in print news as
well back in 1992 in fact he was working for the Lake County News Herald and he has covered Raymond's case
for 30 years now first off Phil thank you for covering Ray's case for 30 years now and thank you for talking with us
and joining us in the garage I appreciate it Nick uh glad to be on here I'm I'm glad that you're uh focusing on
this this case uh it's one that's stuck with me for God 30 years now um it's intriguing it's uh heartbreaking um it's
worthy of our attention so what were you up to in 1992 yeah I was a a a young reporter um
like two or three years into the business I was a uh cops reporter for the uh Lake County News Herald which was
based in Northeast Ohio in the city of Mentor um I just got there after a one-year stint in Mansfield with the
news journal so uh the timber cases like one of the first that landed on my lap the first year that I was there Phil
you've covered a lot of cases in your career not all of them will stick with you what makes the Rayman timbrook case
stick with you well this one was unique um the fact is that you know what we had
was a prominent somewhat prominent uh engineer um who was found dead in his car uh in
this uh undeveloped property uh development property that was being planned in little kurtland Hills Ohio uh
his car was still running there were burn marks on his leg which indicated that the car heater had
been on for a long time initially police thought it was a a suicide it it for some reason it's not
clear now as to why they thought that there was no gun that was recovered from the scene but they it was so unusual I
think to have a a homicide in the city of Kirtland Hills that everyone assumed it must be a suicide because nobody gets
murdered in Kirtland Hills initially yeah the cops thought it was a suicide but it became clear soon that he was I
think shot twice in the head and that this in fact was a uh a homicide and the more that people looked into it the more
it seemed like it was like you know almost a hit there were all kinds of of uh rumors floating around the city then
um it's because of the fact that here we have this mild mannered you know engineer what you know who would want to
who would want to kill him you know so all things started to come about was it business related was it uh personal
related there's a love triangle angle so all sorts of rumors floating around um and it was just very you know it was a
new case the name that has always been tied to the the ray timbrook case is George smaran and this is the individual
his coworker that he is said to have met with or was planning on meeting at Hunting Hills where he's later found
dead in his car the other angle to the George theory in this case is the love triangle angle and it's always been said
that Ray who was involved with Lynn egenberger that Lynn was at one time involved with George smarin as well In
fairness to George he's never been charged with the crime let alone convicted um he was a person of interest
clearly um and I think continues to be he instead of cooperating with police he um hired an attorney which is his
right um and he did not cooperate with the investigation nor did the other coworker Lenn egenberger who um is an
intriguing figure who we can talk about a little later about uh her appearance at the funeral and how that shocked
everybody um but yeah that that was that was the alleged love triangle George smaran Lyn egenberger and Ray timbrook
um all three you CT consulant employees so what is your take on CT consultings and do you believe that Ray and George
were a team when it comes to this new development it's perhaps maybe a team but certainly
this was not like their biggest thing this is a huge National engineering firm they their their fingerprints are
everywhere um and especially in Lake County they were very uh prominent especially in some road construction
projects uh that they engineered they just a very influential powerful um Corporation and what is your
take on this possible murder weapon yeah I think they believe it was one gun uh large caliber they never came
out with a specific uh caliber on it I believe that my recollection is is that the projectile it was so damaged that
they couldn't be positive about you know what it was when it was a 357 or 9 millimeter um but yeah I mean they had
very little evidence to go on in inside that car you know they had a they had a dead businessman um and very little to
go on with no real witnesses to the shooting Phil tell us about this now Infamous incident at Ray's
funeral yeah that you know I I was at the funeral actually um yeah uh and uh it was God it was a just a very
emotional uh scene very crowded lots of people um I remember the the Eric Clapton song
um that he that he wrote for his son Tears in Heaven yeah and uh gosh I'm starting to tear up myself right
now and uh so that song was playing I remember that at some point and uh I didn't see
this take place but I've talked to Tim Brook's family afterward I missed this part that happened but a coworker showed
up at the uh funeral linburger and she made a she made a grand announcement to the family and
introduced yourself as as raised fiance and uh that struck uh everybody that was just a shocking Revelation to
the family no one knew of her let alone the fact that they were now engaged to be married um she was acting per you
know uh as a you would expect she's mourning yeah she was clearly in love with Ray and she was
mourning she was crying and she was very emotional um they watched as she walked over to
the uh to the casket and um you know lovingly gave her a fairwell and she quietly dropped a a letter into the
casket and and walked away and uh the family was uncomfortable with her uh appearance
there and everybody kind of like wanted her to go except for uh except for one one his one guy and that was uh Tim
Brook's son uh he tells an interesting story about uh how he talked to to Lynn and was interested in what she had to
say and in fact invited her to the uh family's home for the Post funeral meal um and when she arrived there Brian
the son was told on no uncertain terms that uh she needs to leave she's not welcome here she needs to go which is
actually an unfortunate event because who knows what she may have said said well now she becomes an outsider yeah
absolutely absolutely and it kind of set you know it sets the tone for the whole
investigation is she's an outsider now and that and she's not welcomed by the family so if she ever had anything of
value uh she did not feel comfortable in releasing it um yeah and like George smaran she lawyered up and you know it's
her right to do that were you ever able to speak with Lynn uh I tried to I went to her house
uh she lived on Menor Avenue at the time and yeah knocked on her door and uh you
know left my card and yeah she was she was someone even her lawyer wouldn't talk you know it was just you know it
was it was shut down and shut up time and uh she has maintained that but I mean clearly she was the target of the
of the police investigation uh they were really really hooked on this love triangle aspect and uh so much so in
fact that perhaps um they didn't to see the forest for the trees and that there was you know something else there that
they were missing how much was George and Lynn looked into and I read that they may
have Loosely involved the FBI in this investigation yeah they involved the FBI and I too I wanted to talk about some of
the the techniques I think that they that they used that were pretty unusual too and maybe they got these ideas from
the FBI I don't know um but there was word that they had uh retained the services of a
female uh agent or or confidential informant to endear herself to George smaran um yeah to like a you know spot
him at a bar and go up and talk to him kind of like uh you see in the Americans uh TV show with spies and whatnot so
they tried that um they it went so far as to put a tape recorder inside of a fishing tackle box and place it on the
gravestone of Mr timbrook with the with the hope that Lynn would come their emotional and
spill her guts uh and they would could capture that in a recording so they were trying I mean that's goes to the extent
of the unique uh tactics that they were trying to to employ here to get some sort of break you know and they held a
grand jury hearings too you know and they brought in Lynn and George and you know and they took the fifth and
you know nothing's ever happened Phil you referenced the 1992 and then the 1994 Grand Jury proceedings where they
bring in Lynn they bring in George and a bunch of other people as well trying to
get them to talk and get clarification as to what happened and what these individuals may know now in the papers
after the 94 proceedings we have we have Steven lorant the prosecutor who is on record stating time and time again that
we are one piece of information away from solving this case that an arrest is Within Reach we just need one more piece
of the puzzle now he says that we have followed up on leads over the course of two years and every single time that
information is leading them back to a small group of people which he says again on the record is either two or
three people a small group of people that have information in this case that they are keeping to themselves
information that could break this case wide open and when we have the prosecutor saying that we have two or
three people a small group of people you have to wonder inside of that two or three people does that include Lynn Does
it include George it doesn't have to but if it does then who is the third person
did they look into the developers Jerry and Mike Osborne and Jim Brown who according to the
prosecutor says that CT Consultants had an engineering contract with these developers specifically with this
Hunting Hills area yeah they did look at you know the Osborne I mean they're just
as well known as CT Consultants out there in Lake County I mean they're a large wealthy family um you know the
third person could also be like a higher up who gave the the okay for for this to
happen if you believe the theory of uh of you know political corruption that's going on um I it's hard to say like is
George are George and Lynn intimately involved in the in the shooting or or do they know perhaps the real reason why
this shooting happened maybe it wasn't a love trangle in fact maybe it was this you know the fact that GE or that uh Tim
Brook wanted to reveal some sort of uh nefarious conduct that's taking place um it's hard to say and but you can't
underestimate the the the knowledge that George and Lynn must have you know and and it's you know it's troubling but
they they are the key Witnesses um where we left off in our timeline the police had released to the public the composite
sketch of the suspect driving away from the scene or a man seen in the area possibly even speaking with Raymond Tim
Brook the burning question on everyone's mind here Phil is in your opinion does this composite sketch look like George
smaran no no that's what struggled because George didn't really look like the guy
so that led to the Hitman Theory you know that uh well George lured him there but then instead of George being there
that a Hitman was [Music] there this show is sponsored by better help do you look forward to the holidays
maybe you struggle with seasonal Blues this time of year can be a lot and it's natural to feel some sadness or even
anxiety about it but adding something new and positive to your life can counteract some of those feelings
therapy can be a bright spot something to look forward to to make you feel grounded and to give you the tools to
manage everything going on if you're thinking of starting therapy give better help a try it's entirely online designed
to be convenient flexible and suited to your schedule just fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a
licensed therapist and switch therapist at any time for no additional charge find your bright spot this season with
betterhelp visit betterhelp.com garage today to get 10% off your first month that's betterhelp
hp.com garage Shopify is the global Commerce platform that helps you sell at every
stage of your business with the internet's best converting checkout 36% better on average compared to other
leading Commerce platforms Shopify helps you turn browsers into buyers in fact Shopify Powers 10% of all e-commerce in
the US sign up for a $1 permon trial period at shopify.com podcast free all lowercase shopify.com podcast free
shopify.com SLP podcast [Music] free welcome back mini twist and turns cheers mates here I sit twisting and
turning with you Captain cheers to everyone out there thank you for joining us this week in the garage in December
of 1992 the prosecutor in this case announced that there was a $225,000 reward for information in the
case and the reward money was put up by Tim Brook's own family as well as the company that he worked for CT
Consultants later that same month is when we have the first attempt by prosecutor Steven Lort who takes this
case to the grand jury you heard Phil talking about that briefly earlier they're trying to squeeze information
out of everyone involved specifically George and Lynn unfortunately that does not lead to charging a suspect in this
case then on the 28th of December 1992 Tim Brook's fiance Lynn gensburger a former co-worker at CT Consultants is
called to testify before the Lake County grand jury a little more detail into what we were just speaking to police and
prosecutors refuse to say what if anything they gain from her testimony and we learn then that since
then ens sperger has left the company CT Consultants that brings us now Captain to March 14th
1993 in our timeline this is a year after the killing police maintain that they are only a few crucial pieces of
evidence away from solving the slang they set up an office inside of CT consultant several months ago to try to
glean information about Tim Brook's business life here is where we start to see in my opinion Captain the first
portion of the shift from possibly the love triangle angle in this case to possibly his murder is more business
related and that's where the lines get very skewed very quickly and there's a whole lot of gray area there right
because it seems like Kirtland Hills PD thought that this might be easily solved
in the early get-go that there's a love triangle situation here and we have a jealous former love lover or a current
lover that attacks and kills the other man in the picture the problem here though is it's also incredibly very
likely that while it's generally considered to be somewhat public knowledge or at least knowledge around
the office that George and Lynn did in fact have some type of relationship it's also entirely possible
that that relationship was over with over said and done and there was no ill will
no jealousy involved once that relationship was over right and once we have Rey who is now removed from his
marriage he is pursuing his relationship with Lynn taking it to the next level maybe George didn't care about that
maybe this love triangle thing seems a little too obvious and the reason why that it gets all mixed up and mashed
together with everything else he's co-workers with both of these individuals so his murder could just as
much be about business as it is his personal life and and given what I've seen about this guy I actually lean to
toward the idea that this is much more business related much more CT Consultants related than it is with his
relationship with Lyn and his coworker George we know that Raymond was so supposed to meet George we're assuming
at some point George met Raymond out there but we have this eyewitness that is basically identifying
another individual and that's where I think it gets pretty cloudy well and and to take that a little bit further and
make it even more cloudy here Captain we should not assume that George met with Raymond out there that day right and the
the reason being is that we have heard a couple different versions of that story
one being that that George says yes I was supposed to meet him but never went and that he had an alibi or others
saying that he never went to that location on that day right there are others that are saying that but it's
also totally possible that people got mixed up on who he was supposed to meet out there or did Raymond did Raymond
just happen to use George's name because he didn't want to tell other people who
he was meeting out there that brings up yes whole other long list of questions the thing too that we want to keep in
mind as well is that as much as it may appear that George may have asked him had in fact asked him to meet him out
there that day there's also the chance that someone else said hey you should go or you need to go meet George at this
location at this time what we don't have the information that we don't have is who told him to meet George there that
day was it George or was it someone else right because the information we do have
is the secretary saying Raymond Tim Brook told me he was meeting George at that location that afternoon yeah very
fascinating and then as we said earlier Captain this thing went before the grand
jury twice and unfortunately again in 1994 when they brought it again for the second time to the grand jury same
situation we don't have any information that comes out of that we don't have the
prosecutor that tells us anything what did they learn during the second proceedings and was it any different
than the first we're not told we're not privy to that information what we do know that happens is there are still no
charges brought against anyone after the 94 Grand Jury proceedings W and what's scary about this case and you know
reviewing it compared to other cases law enforcement is telling the public hey we're one piece away and we've been
hearing that for the Last 5 Years in the deli case and obviously this Raymond timbrook case is 30 years
cold Brian timbrook was Raymond Tim Brook's oldest son and he was set to graduate the year that his father was
killed Brian for you all these years later what does this case mean to you and the state of the case mean to you I
watched all these Date Line uh Cold Case Files stuff like that and to have cases you know
solved after 5 10 15 20 a matter of fact I just saw one that was solved after 35
years um but to to have I guess you could say to have two people people that were co-workers of my
father Lyn gensburger and George smaran to lawyer up right off the rip were the only
two and still to this day have not been held accountable um or been truthful because
Lynn was subpoenaed by the grand jury twice and was uh LED was untruthful but there wasn't enough
evidence to to go proceed any F farther what is uh your recollection of the crime scene or the condition that
you're your father's car was in at the time was it it was it in pristine condition or was uh they broken glass
there was no broken glass no windows down car was running um obviously the W all the windows had to be in there if he
got burns on his legs because um they couldn't do any fingerprinting on the hood because obviously they were in the
hood or not the hood the trunk they couldn't do it they had smeared Prints but because of the salt and the the it
was March 13th you know how it was snowing so you got the salt dust and all that stuff on there so they could not
get and I don't think DNA was that big of a a thing I don't think Chief Smith was that good of a a police chief
to to handle this because you watch some of these file I mean they go too they go
like a needle and a hay stack I mean they'll they'll get down on hands and knees and microscopes and and and
magnifying glasses and pull hairs and and you know so it's it's just ba it just really baffling
it's because you know they had they had the vehicle there um and with the weather being the
way it is I'm sure that that guy was outside his door my dad was talking they were talking outside behind did was
something in the trunk maybe Prince or something like that and then he went to go into his the car the guy followed him
behind and that's where where it happened and then for no gun to be found um no shell
casing the answers that you are seeking about your father's murder do they lie with one
person or as the prosecutor was saying back in the early 90s that we believe we have a small group of people I'm I I
think more there's more than one more than one more than two I think there's many people that
know what truly happened um you know like I said George smaran was the the coworker that he was supposedly going to
meet at The Hunting Hill subdivision and he was the one of them that lawyered up and then an odd coincidence Lynn
eburg who announced herself as my dad's fiance to the family well basically to the
world at the funeral for my father her and George had a relationship prior and she lawyered up right off the
rip and was found untruthful twice by the grand jury but with the double jeopardy you can't you can't if you
don't have enough evidence you you're not going to waste your time on it and you know Chief Smith my my uncle hired
private investigators and xfp and chief Smith wouldn't have anything to do with that because he
wanted to solve the case himself shortly after my dad's murder Kirtland Hills gets an upgrade and an addition on their
police department but Brian who are people to you that are of interest to you in direct regard to your father's
case maybe people that haven't been named so much in the papers there's so many people that could be involved I mean my
dad was working on Lost Nation Road uh widening project you got Osborne you got CT you
know they Osborne got in trouble because they were burying the old lines and sewer systems
when they needed to come all the way out there was a uh the chaplain Troy Elum uh
would do my dad's benefit dinners he would do the invocation um before we would eat and he was a Lake County
Sheriff um he we had we were members up at the Elks and he came back here after some
cocktails and we were sitting here talking about my dad's case and um you know he had said that I'm not gonna
let I'm not gonna give my side what I know unless I'm subpoenaed but I will tell you this that
Chiefs smth Lett and Dan Dunlap will run between the tail with their tails between their legs well lett's no longer
with us right we got Charles Coulson now and I have never once from day one have never got a
call from them never got a call from any of my dad's co-workers that I knew ever to this day I've reached out
because a couple people said that and this uh Steve Hayes brought up this and said Osborne's
right-hand man knows who did it so I reached out to the afbi left a message never got a response from them
another friend said that supposedly I heard that they found the gun in Youngstown that killed your father I
called the FBI nobody called me back I mean it's just like hey we don't want to we don't want
to do anything about this we just there's no point and it's it's not right it's it's not right how often do
you look at the suspect composite sketch every year every year around this time does it look like anybody you
know I I've always said and other people have said that it kind of vaguely resembled
George but you know how you know back then it's nothing like it is now with the with you know how our forensics are
the science is so many people knew my dad and if if that face or you drive drove down Menor Avenue and saw the
billboard that said Justice for Raymond confess repent or just go to hell it's it's sad because there's so many
people out there that that could have just a snidbit of something that could become something and help
something help help us that's all that are my the rest of what is left of my family's asking
for sometime after Ray Tim Brook's murder his family created the Rays of Hope Foundation and Raymond Tim Brook's
memory the foundation has been spearheaded by Tim Brook's sister Susan timbrook freeze it assists the families
of violence victims and has helped pay for funeral cost and even bought a canine Officer for the late County
Sheriff's Office later there was a billboard that was put up to remind the community about the murder and remind
the murderer about the murder as well seeking information in the case and the billboard read Justice for Raymond
murdered 33392 Raymond timbrook son brother father friend to the murderer scripture
gives you definite Direction and few options confess and repent or just go to hell and while the foundation raise of
Hope offered hope to the victims of other violent crimes the billboard was unable to lead to the arrest of a
suspect in Raymond's case sadly Raymond and Scott's mother Dorene passed away before both of them would turn 30 years
old and Raymond Tim Brook's Father Robert who served this great country in World War II sadly passed away the age
of 84 in 2001 and never got to see his son's murder case solved Phil after covering this case for over three
decades and with the anniversary coming up and and you looking back over that work um what what conclusion have you
come to I honestly I've come around um to the fact that I don't believe that it has anything to do with Lynn or George
and the love the alleged love triangle I I I I think that was a diversion um that cost law enforcement
valuable time uh I am of the belief and so are several people very intimate with
the case uh I am of the belief that this was business related that Ry had come across some information um about some
corruption involving his company and local government uh like bribes and and work projects that uh you know had to be
redone I'm talking about the Lost Nation Road Project there in uh in Willoughby um a massive multi-million dollar uh
reconstruction project by the airport there that was done and then redone and uh there is that's the one angle and
talking to my law enforcement sources who have talked to people uh in power they don't believe
that they want this case solved they don't want to open um that box and because it will hurt a lot of people if
the truth was ever told um and these are you know these are not conspiracy type cops these are seasoned detectives who
worked the case in later years and came away with that conclusion and um higher ups just don't want to go down that road
um it sounds you know uh like a conspiracy Theory but you know I it just it does make more sense I
think than than some you know love triangle among three co-workers who are all single and you know I I don't see a
motive there like there someone's going to kill somebody over you know a woman in that kind of fashion you know that's
more of a calculated type hit you know whereas love usually involves like crimes of passion and sudden
rages um this was clear clearly orchestrated planned hit and you have to ask yourself why and
is he getting murdered over Lynn or is he getting murdered over something that he had promised to go to police about
and some corruption that could uh put Rich wealthy people or politicians in prison that to me makes more
sense but there in lies the trouble and the problem with this case it's not so cut and dried now is it Phil it's not a
situation where you can just fall on one side of the fence or the other that it's
either directly related to George and Lynn or it's directly related to business because George and Lynn are all
wrapped up in CT consultants and all wrapped up in Raymond Tim Brook's business and therefore that makes it
quite confusing because it could be one or the other or it could be both now I agree with you Phil and the way that
you've kind of molded and adapted your thoughts and theories on the case over the years and I certainly think that
this is much more business related and that it was a hit and it had to do with shutting him up he had information he
was the man that Knew Too Much and that scared some people and probably could have cost people lots and lots of money
or their jobs and somebody wanted to shut Raymond timbrook up and they did and unfortunately we sit here 30 years
later still wondering who was the trigger man and who is responsible if in fact somebody was
hired to kill him now my other problems that I have with this case my other big problem I have with this case lies with
CT consultants and Raymond Tim Brooks co-workers people that chose to be quiet people that probably had information
people that could in some way help the investigation but chose not to and this includes Frank
Fredrico and his posturing during the course of the early stages of this investigation I've reached out to Frank
he doesn't want to reply he doesn't want to make a statement on this case the other big problem I have is with Lynn
egenberger this is a man that was murdered a man that you claimed to have loved loved enough that you were engaged
to be married to him and when the worst happened to him and his family his children you don't step up with answers
you don't you don't cooperate in the investigation it's not too late it's never too late to come forward with
information and the family is the one that's hurting the most you don't have to talk to law enforcement you can speak
with Raymond's family and offer them answers Brian after 30 years of your father's case being unsolved do you have
any hope for this case I will always have hope because if it ain't found if the person ain't found guilty
in the court of law God's going to have his way and I slowly every day lose a little bit
of Hope but I'll never completely lose it ever tomorrow being the anniversary is just going to be a a real tough day
Brian what keeps you going I want answers my wife my family my friends my work work I've I paid the
price in a lot of bad ways for this but I can't use it as an excuse It's time for me be to be able to
put this away and put it to [Music] rest [Music] thanks for joining us here every week in
the garage make sure you subscribe to the podcast and if you're digging any of the theme music the theme music is
available on Apple music Spotify and also at my website Captain fat hands.com Colonel do we have any recommended
reading here's a brand new True Crime book titled bone deep by New York Times best selling author Charles Bosworth Jr
and Joel J Schwarz the full title is bone deep untangling the Betsy Faria murder case this is the True Crime Story
the Diabolical story of murderer Pam hup check out bone deep you can find that great title and many more at true Crim
garage.com yeah join us back here in the garage next week until then be good be kind and don't
litter [Music] Shopify is the global Commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of
your business with the internet's best converting checkout 36% better on average compared to other leading
Commerce platforms Shopify helps you turn browsers into buyers in fact Shopify Powers 10% of all e-commerce in
the US sign up for a $1 per month trial period at shopify.com podcast free all lowercase shopify.com podcast free
shopify.com podcast free

Raymond Timbrook /// Part 2 /// 565

Part 2 of 2

www.TrueCrimeGarage.com (http://www.truecrimegarage.com/)

This week in the Garage we take a deep dive into one of Northeast Ohio’s most frustrating and coldest cases. Successful business man Raymond Timbrook was shot and killed in his car following a scheduled meeting at an isolated location that his company CT Consults was in contract to develop. Many have been linked to this case public or otherwise. This week unfortunately was the 30 year anniversary of this still unsolved case. We are hoping to bring renewed public awareness and interest for Ray’s cold case homicide.

Beer of the Week - Murk Juice by Sixth Sense Brewery and Tap House

Garage Grade - 4 and 3 quarter bottle caps out of 5

Our show - True Crime Garage “Off the Record” is available only on Stitcher Premium. For a FREE month of listening go to http://stitcherpremium.com/truecrimegarage and use promo code GARAGE

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Brief Summary

The episode discusses the unsolved murder of Raymond Tim Brook and the complex relationships involved in the case.

Key points

The Murder of Raymond Tim Brook. It's been 30 years since the murder, and the investigation remains cold.
The Shocking Revelation at the Funeral. A woman claims to be Raymond's fiancée at his funeral, shocking the family.
The Composite Sketch Release. Police release a sketch of a man seen talking to Tim before his death.
The Love Triangle Theory. Exploring the complexities of a love triangle that may not be what it seems.
The Grand Jury Proceedings. The case went before the grand jury twice with no charges brought.
Hope After 30 Years. A son expresses his enduring hope for justice despite the passage of time.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The longer it takes, the colder the trail gets.

Reflection on the investigation's challenges.

4:03WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

60/ 100Some tension

More from True Crime Garage TV

Solve the Crime

Read a real case one clue at a time, then see how your call held up against the investigators.