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by an unspeakable act. The apocalypse would occur soon. More white supremacist groups, more
anti-government groups. David Caresh, Ruby Ridge siege, Timothy McVey, more than 80 people dead. Bombed
a federal building in Oklahoma City. Eight by an unspeakable act. There is so little hope left.
A good soldier typically refers to someone who is disciplined, obedient, and dedicated to their duty, willing to
endure hardship. A good soldier sacrifices for the greater good, and fights bravely for
a cause they believe in. A good soldier follows orders without hesitation and maintains discipline even in challenging
situations. They are willing to face danger and put themselves in harm's way for God, their country, and their
cause. They are able to work effectively as part of a team and are loyal to their
unit and fellow soldiers. They possess the physical and mental fortitude to withstand the rigors of
military service. A good soldier can be counted on to perform their duties effectively and
efficiently. On the morning of Wednesday, April 19th, 1995, an ex Army soldier and security
guard named Timothy McVey parked a rented rider truck in front of the Alfred P. Mura Federal Building in
downtown Oklahoma City. He was about to commit mass murder. This is True Crime Garage.
[Music] In May of 1988, a young man named Timothy James McVey from Lockport, New
York, enlisted in the United States Army. Timothy McVey was 20 years old. He enlisted because his life was well was
kind of going nowhere and he wanted some direction. After graduating high school,
McVey was working at local jobs, but nothing that was really moving him and he felt like he was getting nowhere
fast. So, he needed a career or an education or both. The military was good for his father and Timothy was smart,
skilled with guns and so this was a natural fit for McVey. He attended basic training and advanced training at the US
Army Infantry School at Fort Benning, which is located in the state of Georgia. While in the military, McVey
used much of his spare time to read about firearms and explosives. McVey was reprimanded by the military for wearing
a white power t-shirt during his time serving in the military. He would later say that this was in retaliation to some
of the African-American soldiers who wore black power t-shirts. During McVeyy's time at Fort Benning, he met
fellow soldier Terry Nichols, who was his platoon guide. The two became fast friends. They shared similar backgrounds
and both were into gun collecting and survivalism. Terry Lynn Nichols was considerably older than McVey, about 13
years older. And from my understanding here, Captain Terry Nichols, prior to his time in the army, he simply enlists
because of being bored at home. He was a stay-at-home father to his own child plus two stepids when life wasn't really
doing anything for him. Much like McVey, he decided to sign up for the US Army as
well, even though he was a little older than traditional people who enlist. The two were later stationed together again,
this time at Fort Riley, which is in Junction City, Kansas. This is where the two of them became friends with another
man. His name is Michael Fortier. McVey was a top scoring gunner with the M242mm cannon on Bradley Fighting
Vehicles, which is used by the First Infantry Division, and was quickly promoted to sergeant. So, he's excelling
quickly during his time in the army. It's reported that McVey was building and stashing his own private gun
collection. This is something that was not allowed by the army. Now, it's unclear if the army was aware of this
activity or not. After being promoted, McVey had a bad reputation for assigning undesirable work to the black servicemen
and regularly using racial slurs in the company of other soldiers. This included
black soldiers. In fact, years later, several of the men who served with McVey would label him a
loner/racist. In the summer of 1990, like many other servicemen and women, McVey was sent overseas for deployment
on Operation Desert Storm, the US war against Iraq. There, McVey did see a good deal of action. What lasting
effects this had on him are difficult to say, but the Army liked McVeyy's work. He received several service awards,
including the Bronze Star Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Southwest Asia Service Medal, Army
Service Ribbon, and the Kuwait Liberation Medal. During this time here, Captain, it seems like when we say he
saw a good deal of action, he was forced to be involved in some very violent action. And without getting into the
details of the Iraq war, Desert Storm, he probably was responsible for many casualties on the on the opposing side.
There are some rumors, some pretty horrific rumors that he may have executed prisoners, which is of course
war crimes. But again, these are just rumors. These there's nothing over the years to say that this is fact. And no
other soldier or officer that he answered to would ever state that this is fact. It's hard to know what his
military experience did to him, but we do have evidence that he had some interesting and odd thoughts before he
actually went to war. And he he seemed to be uh an individual that didn't have much of a direction, maybe a little
aggressive, and was willing to piss people off by telling people his his views and opinions on life that might
not line up with most people. Yes, he was regularly offering up unsolicited opinions on social matters and that made
him you could look at it as sever several different ways that made him either an outcast or he's choosing to be
a loner type that he doesn't want to mingle with everybody. Some people decide, I'm going to put my worst foot
forward. So therefore, you just don't like me and so I don't have to show you the real me. So then you can then judge
that. But the military is a tough situation anyways because you go, well, how can this guy with these racist
beliefs and these racist actions actually thrive in in this system? But you have to remember it's a system that
not everybody's willing to sign up for. So sometimes the military has to kind of
look the other way on some of these bad flaws or bad character flaws. Many many people and thank you to everyone out
there who has done so over the years and will do so in the future. But many people sign up for all the right
reasons, God and country to find themselves and find a career for themselves to further their education.
There's a million wonderful reasons to sign up to enlist to serve in any branch of the military. I just worry that McVey
strikes me as one of those types and I know everybody out there has encountered one of these types that you talk to who
are excited to sign up because you know you get to shoot people. They say stuff like that and you're like don't I don't
feel now I don't feel comfortable around you. Not in just this war, but in every
war that we've been a part of, different outfits that go out on these missions, they're all basically
investigated later for either, like you said, killing prisoners, torturing prisoners, killing innocent people, or
even killing children. That's why war is absolutely the worst thing on this planet. the lines of what is right and
what is wrong get blurry real quick quick for men and women that are in combat and facing those who are trying
to to end them. So I mean it's just absolutely even when our country is doing the right thing. I just I mean
it's one of those things where most of the time it's hard to figure out what is the right side. Yes. It never really
feels like there is a a real true winner. I think we all lose when we have are faced with war. Now, after returning
from the Gulf War, as said, he's decorated. He's a decorated war vet by this point. McVey aspired to join the
Green Beret special forces because he excelled during his time in the army and he thought that he would continue. He
enters this 21-day assessment and selection course for the special forces, but he taps out after 2 days. So McVey
decided to leave the army and he was honorably discharged. This in 1991. Now at this time McVey and a lot
of other people were involved in survivalism and McVey was a survivalist. And we we touched on some of this in our
prior episodes regarding this true crime story. But one thing we didn't talk about is where the survivalist movement
and really gained steam was in the 1980s and during the cold war. Well, by this time with the collapse of the Soviet
Union because survivalist that the whole idea of it was built around well, how to
survive, how to protect your family if the Russians were to come over here and invade our country or to start dropping
bombs or nuclear bombs on our country. So, a lot of that idea was built around that threat from the Soviet Union. And
so when when we have the collapse of that, the individuals and the families and communities that had worked so hard
and prepared themselves for such situations, it was really weird because now that they have no enemy, right? They
have no opposition. They have no threat, no fear, right, from from a certain enemy. And so some of those persons and
those beliefs started to morph into this idea. Well, now we have to defend ourselves against our own government.
And this is an idea that McVey and several others that he would encounter in the coming years would share and
express these ideas. Their their fear was that the government would come and take their guns away and and maybe
enslave them or take their money, right? The so the thought became at some point
that we need to a survivalist need to defend ourselves against the US government for our freedoms, our family,
our land, our money and of course the second amendment. Now the second amendment to the United States
Constitution was ratified on December 15th, 1791 along with other with the other
nine amendments that make up our bill of rights. The text of the amendment reads,
"A well- reggulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep
and bear arms shall not be infringed." One year, Captain after McVey left the army, Ruby Ridge happened. Now, the Ruby
Ridge incident, which we covered here extensively, was the 1992 standoff in Boundary County, Idaho, which involved
both the US Marshalss and FBI agents facing off against Randy Weaver, his family, and a friend named Kevin Harris,
resulting in a tragic loss of life, and sparking controversy over federal law enforcement actions. And as our
listeners know, this standoff and gunfight resulted in the deaths of Deputy US Marshal WF Deacon, Samuel
Weaver, who was the 14-year-old son of the family, and Vicky Weaver, the mother and wife who was killed by a bullet to
the head from FBI sniper Lan Haruchi. Lon Haruchi fired his gun from a position over 200 yards north and above
the Weaver cabin. And sadly, Vicky Weaver was killed by this bullet. This Ruby Ridge incident would
inspire not just Timothy McVey, but others. And it would have a profound effect on Tim McVey. And it would really
be the start of, I would say, the continuation of bad behavior. We talked about some of his behavior during his
time in in the army, but this is where we start to see it at at the civilian level, right? So, he starts threat
sending threatening hate mail to Lon Haruchi's home. One of the correspondents that I was able to
review, he says something pretty vague, but it is threatening. You know, he says
something like, "What goes around comes around." And later, McVey would even begin handing out flyers and pamphlets
with Lon Haruchi's address on it. He was hoping that somebody would do something
to Lon Herruchi because so many people had hate for this man. And McVey would later say that at some point he was
considering planning to target Haruchi or a member of Haruchi's family to assassinate. Less than one year later,
David Caresh and the Branch Devidians inside their Mount Carmel Center compound were surrounded by ATF agents.
In 1993, McVey drove to Waco, Texas during the Waco siege to support to show his support for the branch dividians. At
the scene, he distributed proun rights literature and bumper stickers bearing slogans such as, "When guns are
outlawed, I will become an outlaw." The 51-day siege resulted in the deaths of four ATF agents and 82 civilians. And of
course, this enraged McVey, not only enraged McVey, but it gave him another enemy, a new enemy, Janet Reno, and
further to bolster his hate of these different government agencies. Well, it's it's fascinating to me because this
individual didn't have much of a direction. And so he goes into the army to get a direction and then I think he
sees the inner workings or part of the inner workings of our army and the power of our government and maybe even by
being over in this war maybe he can't justify certain things that he's doing. So then he goes to advance his career
but is not able to. So he gets out of the military, still doesn't have much of direction, but he sees the power of our
government and then he sees the wrongdoings of our government and maybe even being involved in some wrongdoings
of our government. And so he starts forming his direction cuz he didn't have a direction, right? And so now he's
forming his direction and he and when you have a government that is not transparent on everything, you know,
going back from the president being sass the president being assassinated to uh wars that civilians don't know if
they're justified or not. Then like I said, his time in the military, it's like it's all leading to this idea of
him having this vendetta against the power that he served. if that makes any sense. Well, and I'm not trying to be a
complete jerk here, but really when you look at McVeyy's timeline, it's almost like a
really long fuse. Now, when that fuse was lit, I don't think it matters because it
stayed lit for a very long time as it walked its way to to I mean him becoming one of the most notorious monsters this
country has ever faced and slash produced. It's so before his time in the the military, he was we already covered
that he's he's familiar with guns. He's a bit of a gun enthusiast, but he he did
have some some jobs. He was a security guard. He worked at a Burger King for a while. He did attend a community
college. It was it was pretty brief. It's one of these positions that when you examine it, it makes no damn sense
to me. when you when you read or interact or or to see these types on TV, these militia types, the nationalists,
the separatists, the the white supremacists, they a lot of them to hear them talk about the US mil military,
they hold that in very high regard, which which anyone should regardless of where you come from, walk of life, it's
about God and country. It's it's very proud thing. It's it's honorable to to serve for your nation and to protect
your fellow man. But but at the same time, the militia types, the survivalists, and a lot of these hate
groups, while they may have respect for the different military branches, they seem to hate the government that those
that military serves, it never really made any much sense to me when all of that is it's like talking out of both
sides of of your mouth, right? It's out of your face. It it makes no damn sense.
Let's go to April of 1993. This is when McVey, he takes off and he goes and lives on a farm in Michigan. This is
with his former army mate, Terry Nichols, who we always already introduced. So, the Nicholls family, and
I believe that it is actually Terry Nichols older brother that has this farm up in Michigan. McVey goes and stays
there for a while. During his time there, McVey and the Nicholls brothers, they are making explosives. These are mostly
like small pipe bombs and and they're using things household chemicals and items, plastic jugs and whatnot to
create explosive devices. Now, not that McVey needed any influence, especially by this time, but the Nicholls brothers,
from what I understand, were quite racist and and a little bit radical as well. In fact, they had hopes
of building a paramilitary training camp on the family farm. McVeyy's anti-government rhetoric became more
radical during this time as well. And he would start frequenting gun shows. And one of the things he was
doing at gun shows was he he had developed this devout hate for the ATF and several other government agencies
that we already had talked about, but he was selling items that were like ATF or
FBI hats that were riddled with bullet holes. His answering machine greeting, one of them included the quote, "Give me
liberty or give me death." And as said, he began experimenting with constructing
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the people under the bleachers. Having a good time. No doubt. Well, you did say it's kind of like
talking out of both sides of your your face. But I think the problem here is when you're a part of the army, there's
some, you know, infighting or ribbing to to the navy and the guys in the navy kind of make fun of the guys in the in
the army. But I think it can go beyond that. When if you believe in the mission that you were serving and then you come
back home, now we take that power away from you and now you're seeing these other entities doing things that you
don't agree with and you almost feel slighted because of the effort you put in and and the mission that you tried to
accomplish. Yeah. And look, I'm a huge fan of a good road trip. I think most people like a good road trip. Now, it's
often reported that that Timothy McVey was kind of boopping around the country and on the road for about two years
straight. That that's not a false statement, but we should point out that he he does kind of he he never settles
down during this two-year period. He is moving about going statetoate. But we did mention, you know, he he went and
lived on the Nicholls farm for a little bit. There was a um farm that he lived at for a period of time on in Kansas in
the state of Kansas as well and he would live briefly in the state of Arizona as well. So McVey he hits the
road he's he's frequenting and also working at some of these gun shows throughout the country. And this is
where McVey sold those items that we've already mentioned, plus survival items and copies of the book titled The Turner
Diaries. The Turner Diaries is a 1979 novel by William Luther Pierce, who is the founder and chairman of National
Alliance, an American white nationalist group. And he published this book under a pseudonym, Andrew McDonald. The book
depicts a violent revolution in the United States caused by a group called the organization. The organization's actions
lead to the overthrow of the US government and then a nuclear war and ultimately a race war which leads to the
systematic extermination of non-whites and Jews worldwide. So the white race in this book view
other white people as race traitors as well and they ultimately ha were hanged in a mass execution which was called the
day of the rope. The book while never something that I would want to read has been incredibly influential
destructively so I might add. It's believed that this book inspired numerous hate crimes and acts of
terrorism, including the 1984 assassination of Allen Berg, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the 1999
London nail bombings. Meanwhile, in Arkansas, in the state of Arkansas, Richard Wayne Snell, who was convicted
of two murders, one the murder of a state trooper, Officer Bryant, and sentenced to death. While Snell never
denied the accusations of these murders, he nevertheless nevertheless undertook what became a decadel long effort to
overturn these convictions trying to avoid the death penalty. An appeal in one of the cases was heard by the
Arkansas Supreme Court which upheld the conviction and the death sentence. So Richard Snell's petition for a writ
of habius corpus was denied by the district court and that ruling was upheld in 1994. At a final appearance before the
clemency board, Snell showed no remorse and in fact he said he probably would kill state trooper Bryant again if
the same circumstances were to present themselves. Just prior to this, the court proceedings against Randy Weaver
and Kevin Harris from the Ruby Ridge incident concluded. They were acquitted of the charges from the standoff and
federal committees criticized the US Marshalss and the FBI for mishandling the situation. Once again, Timothy McVey
hit the road. he was heading west as he felt more free the further west he went where he came across other
like-minded individuals and families with as he said the exception being the state of California in a lot of the
states going west McVey found a more anti-government sentiment it's said that McVey considered buying
property in Arizona uh Siggman Arizona which he determined which McVey determined to be a quote nuclear free
zone. This goes back to that survivalist, right, mentality that he's he's using to direct most of his life.
But money was a problem for McVey being that he had very little of it. So he didn't buy any property. He went to live
with his old buddy. This is Michael Fortier in Kingman, Arizona. Remember, he knew him from the army as well. And
the two of them during this time became so close that Timothy McVey served as best man at Michael's wedding. Michael
Forier and his wife Lori frequently experimented with drugs, mainly cannabis and
methamphetamine. So they involved with some some meth going on out there. And this Yeah, just just a little bit of
weed and a little bit of meth. Yeah, maybe a little meth on top of the weed. Who knows what they're doing out there,
but because McVey is living with them, he too gets involved in this. And from my understanding, help his
radical ideas. No. And from my understanding too, meth makes people can make people extremely paranoid. And it
it would appear to me, Captain, as as tough and as much as he positions and presents himself to be this person who
is willing to fight the government and willing to fight for what he believes in, I have to believe that some of his
beliefs are stem from some level of paranoia already prior to any type of drug use. Right? He's living out there
with with Lori and Michael Fortier. There's some drug activity going on in the household. And I think what they're
doing is a a good amount of drugs are going on before McVey even got there. And eventually McVey joins them in this
activity. But it's said that he was never as interested in drugs as the couple was. In fact, one of the reasons
that he parted ways with Michael was that McVey grew tired of Michael's drug habits. At some
point in late 1994, we learn, we would later learn that McVey did discuss a severe act of terrorism with Michael
Forier and with his wife as well. In fact, he tried to recruit Michael. Lori says that McVey told her about plans to
blow up a federal building. Now, what's uncertain here, Captain, is did he ever name the building? And according
to Lori statements, he he came quite close to naming the building, but never actually did. Keep in mind, they're
living in Arizona at this time. So, what familiarity, if any, with Oklahoma or Oklahoma City did she have is really
hard to say. But what I've reviewed states that that Lori was told, this is her words, that McVey was going to, his
ultimate plan, and he was recruiting others to help him execute this plan was to build a bomb in a vehicle and place
that vehicle near a large building. And I believe he did reference the city of Oklahoma. the building. He described it
as a building that had a glass front. And he told her that this building would he picked this building
because of the glass front and because that it was what he called an easy target. Well, and one of your favorite
parts in the true crime stories is when there's letters. Yes. And a lot of these
types, especially like a McVey type, they like to they like to talk a lot. They like to communicate a lot. They
like to threaten people. So while all this is going on, McVey is also mailing some letters that would be of interest.
So he he mailed two letters to the ATF. The first he titled constitutional defenders. The second letter he titled
it ATF Reed in which he denounced government officials as fascist tyrants and stormtroopers and warned ATF all you
tyrannical [ __ ] will swing in the wind one day for your treasonous actions against the Constitution of the
United States. Yeah. I mean he's planning on hanging them. And but I'm glad that you bring up that
point because anybody that studies history whether you're and I I don't want to get into a gun
debate, but one of the biggest arguments or the one of the reasons why we have uh the right to bear arms is not so much
about hunting or even just protecting your house from somebody breaking in. It's also to protect yourself from a
tyrannical government. And so if you like study how the Nazis took over Germany,
well, when they had no guns to defend themselves and you have the military showing up at your at your house at
night, well, all you can do is follow their rules and hope that they don't shoot you. And so I think it's funny
that he brings this up because I I think when people are arguing this point if they're proun if they're constantly
talking about well a tyrannical government and the chances of there being a tyrannical government are pretty
slim but they almost get fixated on this point. And I think definitely people like Timothy get stuck on this idea and
they almost manifest it into their own life even if it's not happening uh in the truest form to them.
Does that make any sense at all? No, it makes complete sense because think about
what's taken place in his life as as he's going down this this very dark road that that
he was on that he started off on a few years back during his time of his starting to hate these different
government agencies, the US government fearing that they are going to take away his guns or all of our guns. What has
taken place? Ruby Rich to for starters, right? Where that all started on some illegal gun
charges that Randy Weaver faced and it turned into the death of a US marshal and the death of his wife and son and
their daughter and then and then you afterward the family members or at least the two adults that survived faced
charges. you know, the the they wanted certain agencies wanted to charge them with the murder of the the officer. And
it's a very difficult situation to sort out who was right, who was wrong, and and as we said when we talked about it,
it appeared nobody was right and everybody was wrong and everything was mishandled and they really they really
went over the top unnecessarily with what they how they handled Ruby Rich. And so this is backing up his paranoia.
This is backing up his concern. The threat to him is being backed up by an incident like Ruby Rich. And then a year
later, whether you agree with the branch devidians or their apocalyptic views or
David Caresh or any of that nonsense of the story, where does it start with? A big part of that starts with the ATF
just simply wanting to to carry out these search warrants where illegal firearms is part of that search warrant.
They wanted to execute this search warrant, right? And so again, we hear the words illegal
firearms and what is the result? The result is the compound being surrounded by an army of ATF agents and local media
which then turns into to national media and the whole place goes up like a tinder box in flames resulting in the
death of so many civilians regardless of how the fire started. I've heard a lot of opinions and read a lot of opinions
on how this fire started. I don't know what the hell happened. I don't know who started the fire. All I know is that I
both sides handled this in complete disaster and it ended in complete in complete disaster. But this is this is
fueling him. This is this is furthering his beliefs that my my the thing that I'm worried about the stuff that
threatens me and the threat that I'm trying to tell everybody else out there. Look around you people. This shit's
really going on. This is really going down. Waco and Waco was a lot worse than Ruby Ridge. And it's only going to
continue to get worse. And he was witness to this. Correct. He, you know, when you're miles away, I'm sure it felt
different. It's It smells different. It looks different. But this becomes a slippery slope because whether it's the
government, the ATF, the FBI, whether it's the army, all these entities are made up of
humans. And humans make mistakes and humans can be good or evil. And so a lot of these people that start having these
more radical ideas, it's like if you want to find conspiracy, you can you can find it if you look for it. Doesn't mean
it's there, but because you think you're seeing it, it's it's true. It's in its truest form to you. And that's where I
think all this stuff becomes a very slippery slope. And somebody like Timothy reminds me of Remy from Higher
Learning. Uh, a smart guy that didn't really know what his direction was, was almost afraid of the world in a sense
and was looking for direction, but found it in these negative thoughts and and negative ideas
and spiraled completely out of control. Some of it some of it pushed by his own actions, own thoughts, own beliefs, but
some of it also furthered by what's going on around him and what he is witnessing. Well, and we don't know what
his mental health is, but when you're doing I can tell you this as far as McVey goes and I'm no doctor. I wouldn't
guess that it was good, my friend. Right. But what I'm saying is then if we have this history of
methamphetamines, this could put him into states of manic, you know, hyper manic or even
um maybe bouts of depression or even bouts of u psychosis. So, who knows what he's actually thinking in his brain.
Well, and hate begets hate. and what we're seeing here and of course we're just taking a glimpse at this time
period in Timothy McVeyy's life. What does not appear in this glimpse here, Captain? While he's I mean, he's openly
expressing the idea of threatening other people or assassinating a person or two
and talking about all of this these fears that he has that will be carried out by different government agencies.
Well, the people he's talking to, there's nobody telling him no. There's nobody saying no, that's not going to
happen to him. There's nobody saying no. Don't don't Oh, he told me about he wanted to build blow up a federal
building. Well, when did you try to talk him out of that? What you know there there's the people
around him while they may not be influencing him, they are certainly don't don't appear to be deterring him,
right? in deterring this type of behavior or saying, "Hey, man, you might want to go talk to somebody about this
because I I don't think you're a bad dude and I don't want bad things to end up happening to you. Let's let's go
let's go talk to somebody about this." That never comes up in any telling of of this story with with Timothy McVey,
right? It is said that at this time around this time is when he was already starting to talk about plans of blowing
up a federal building. Now how much was known by some of the others in his very small inner circle is difficult to say
and still is up for debate even to this day all of these years later. It's in some in some circles it's it's quite
highly debated and I think for good reason. I think for plenty of good reason. Like we just said, we've not
mentioned anybody who's trying to talk him out of these actions whether they believed he would carry them out or not.
But another thing that he's talking about at this time is he said he would later say that he considered a campaign
of individual assassination with certain eligible targets. And according to McVey, these eligible targets included
Attorney General Janet Reno, Judge Walter Smith Jr. of the federal court district or sorry, federal district
court. This is the judge who handled the branch devidian trial and also FBI agent
Lon Haruchi who we already talked about who was the FBI sniper on the uh rescue team for the FBI at Ruby Rich. Around
this same time as well, Captain, we have McVey and Terry Nichols who began making
bulk purchases of ammonium nitrate, which is an agricultural fertilizer. Now, I want to circle back
to McVey talking about and telling Lori about his plans to blow up a federal building. it the the plans were so he
was so descriptive according to Lori that he had explained to her how the bomb would be
constructed and I mean what it would look like the configuration of the bomb and that it needed to be mobile so they
could move it up to the building. But he also said that this would require a good
amount of money for funding and that he planned to get the funding by robbing a guy that he called Bob. And this would
turn out to be Robert Moore who lived in Arkansas. And he and Terry Nichols went
and robbed this man of a bunch of guns, jewelry, and valuables estimated worth thousands and
thousands of dollars. But I bring this up one because this action, this horrific action in his plan did require
some money, did require some air quotes funding. But we also saw a lot of this similar behavior from different
individuals and different groups that we talked about in episode one of Hate American Made where they were they were
stealing guns. They were regularly robbing for guns and using this to to fund all their little secret missions or
plots. By this time, Captain, we have McVey and Nicholls who are working at a farm or campground. It's
been described a few different ways. and they are busy constructing their explosive device, their their mobile
bomb, and they wanted to mount this in the back of a box truck. So, the short of it is that the two
constructed what is called anfo explosive device mounted in the back of a rented box truck. The bomb consisted of
about 5,000 lbs of that ammonium nitrate and and nitromemethane. So now we are at April
17th and April 18th, 1995. And this is when Timothy McVey and Terry Nichols removed bomb supplies that
they they they had been acquiring these supplies for this bomb and for their mission and keeping them in a storage
unit in Harrington, Kansas. And on these two days, they spent time loading these items into the
back of a rider rental truck that they had secured. So they're, if you're trying to picture this, they are
outfitting this truck to really be a gigantic bomb on wheels. Yeah. And they wanted to construct it in a way that
with these box trucks, keep in mind, the the the box portion of it, the cargo portion of it is separate from the cabin
of of the truck or or where the operator, the driver of the truck would sit. So they need to construct it in a
way that the driver or the passenger who are riding up front can light, ignite and start the fuse to
eventually blow up this giant bomb that has been constructed in the box portion of the truck without getting into the
back portion of the truck. They want to be able to light the fuse, hop out, and leave. the following day. But I'm sure
when they're renting this truck, they ask, "Would you like to have uh insurance on this?" I wonder if they
made a comment of, "Well, we don't need insurance on this truck." Well, no. We would later learn that
Timothy McVey turned down the insurance and told the um individual that rented it to him that he one he didn't want it
and on top of that he's he's a really good driver and was used to driving vehicles of this size. Never mentioned
the bomb they're going to put in it. On April 19th, 1995, at 8:50 a.m., Timothy McVey
driving a yellow rider rental truck arrives in Oklahoma City. At 8:55 a.m., a video camera captured the rider truck
heading towards downtown Oklahoma City. At 9:02 a.m., the bomb explodes in the rider truck parked outside the Alfred P.
Mura Federal Building. A massive car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown
Oklahoma City, shattering that building, killing children, killing federal employees, military men, and
civilians. The chaos in downtown Oklahoma City did indeed resemble Beirut after what police believe to be a,200 lb
car bomb ripped through the ninestory federal building shortly after 9:00 this morning. More than 500 people were
already in their offices and at least 50 children were in a daycare center on the
second floor. The bombing in Oklahoma City was an attack on innocent children and defenseless
citizens. It was an act of cowardice and it was evil. The United States will not tolerate it
and I will not allow the people of this country to be intimidated by evil cowards. I have
met with our team which we assembled to deal with this bombing and I have determined to take the following steps
to asssure the strongest response to this situation. First, I have deployed a crisis
management team under the leadership of the FBI, working with the Department of Justice, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
and Firearms, military and local authorities. We are sending the world's finest investigators to solve these
murders. Second, I have declared an emergency in Oklahoma City. And at my direction, James Lee Wit, the director
of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, is now on his way there to make sure we do everything we can to help the
people of Oklahoma deal with the tragedy. Third, we are taking every precaution to reassure and to protect
people who work in or live near other federal facilities. Let there be no room for
doubt. We will find the people who did this. When we do, justice will be swift, certain, and
severe. These people are killers, and they must be treated like killers. Finally, let me say that I ask all
Americans tonight to pray. To pray for the people who have lost their lives, to pray for the families and the
friends of the dead and the wounded. To pray for the people of Oklahoma City. May God's grace be with
them. Meanwhile, we will be about our work. Thank you. How many people [Music] [Applause]
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Timothy James McVeigh was a decorated American Soldier who served during Operation Desert Storm. After the war McVeigh had difficulties finding a new path for himself. Ultimately, he became enraged against the government that his soldier duties once served. He believed and told others that the U.S. government was in the process of taking away the freedoms of its citizens. Then Ruby Ridge happened and when the Waco standoff was in its early stages he was present, even giving an interview to a local reporter. These events were “proof” to McVeigh that he was right. All of his fears were coming true. Timothy McVeigh became America’s worst homegrown terrorist when he blew up the Alfred P. Murrah building in downtown Oklahoma City. What meaning did the Oklahoma City Bombing hold for Timothy McVeigh and beyond? Was it revenge? Was it the first act of a revolution? Was it a going away present for Richard Snell?

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Brief Summary

Timothy McVeigh's radicalization and the Oklahoma City bombing are examined, detailing his military background and anti-government influences.

Key points

The Rise of Timothy McVey. Timothy McVey's journey from soldier to mass murderer is marked by radicalization and violence.
McVey's Military Background. Timothy McVey's military service shaped his worldview and fueled his radical beliefs.
The Ruby Ridge Incident. The standoff at Ruby Ridge sparked controversy and inspired Timothy McVey's anti-government sentiments.
Gab Phones: Safe for Kids. Gab phones provide a secure way for kids to communicate without internet risks.
The Turner Diaries' Dark Legacy. This book has inspired numerous hate crimes and acts of terrorism.
McVey's Dangerous Plans. Timothy McVey discussed plans to blow up a federal building with alarming detail.

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