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[Music] what's going on I'm scared I'm intrigued I'm officially I've had it up to here I
don't want this yeah I mean I'm just trying to get married and have a couple babies like I don't know I don't need
this you know what's gonna what's funny is like by the time this comes out who knows how many more are going to be shot
out of the sky because like that's the trouble with like the the week ahead thing I know we're kind of off the
current events a little bit but you know we're getting there we're catching up yeah so who knows by the time this comes
out we we could be under full alien attack and that's interesting laughs they call that a deep breath where I'm
from yeah you don't know no I have active anxiety about this at this point we don't know none of us know like why
are they flying where where the planes just in our airspace yeah color me um still afraid of flying because now
you even more afraid a new fear has been unlocked that there is no UFOs in the way of planes do you think me they're
just gonna come get the good ones of us that are like you know give back to humanity and spread Christmas cheer for
all to hear like in there and then they can say like come to a planet guambo yeah I mean um because you're kind let's
go you smell good let's go to Planet guamba welcome let's go there I'll do most things I'll do mostly I won't do
most things but I will um I'll do a lot of things I'll tell you stories aliens Tails I think I am an
alien so maybe Mama's coming to get me I think it's I think that's great that's called
A coping skill right there I do think it's funny that like if we had one of those boards that was like this planet
has gone how many days without shooting down a UFO we would keep having to erase
that number this weekend we could not hit we could not hit that zero couldn't do it we were always at one and we still
are at one I don't like that it's it's not fair to me it's it's that some people know what's up but they won't let
us know yeah like somebody knows what's what's going on somebody knows oh what a
few people know a couple people and I just think that I want to know too because secret secrets are no fun secret
Secrets hurt someone and possibly a whole planet possibly all of us yeah I don't know and I don't know what's going
on earthquakes lately there's been like a lot of scary tsunamis we as a joke you
know tsunamis in California you know uh that was a call back in case you were wondering and call back calling back to
that time I'm not I'm just like you know what you're not scared no everything sucks
here like we we don't deserve any of this no but not everything like I love my well oh I don't like my life I love
my little bubble yeah so like I I want that to stay yeah but in the grand scheme of things I'm like there are days
when I'm like you know what it's about time for that asteroid no no no I don't like it when you say that seriously I
really don't I say it a lot too she says it so much I don't want to be away from
Drew that's literally like my biggest no I'm actually gonna cry right now same Seas but like we're good it's if it's
are we if it's an UFO Invasion we'll take it one day at a time you know that's all you can do why future trip we
don't know these my future we don't know these people these things they could come down here and just be like we're
here to Marie condo this planet of yours we're gonna spark Joy I mean we don't like you guys suck you're all [ __ ]
miserable like I think that's part of the problem we are collectively right now [ __ ] miserable yeah we're all just
angry nasty little [ __ ] being nasty to each other I'm not saying everybody you know what I mean but like but like
as a population here I think the pandemic really shot that off that proved that we cannot handle even that
kind of inconvenience and it's like I think maybe they'll come down and they'll be like okay it's time to tidy
up it's a loud airplane going by that is a loud airplane and I apologize for that
just breathe but it's an airplane it's not a new phone so it's good I didn't see it it's identified I didn't see it
sounds like an airplane I'm gonna go with airplane I'm not gonna stress I'm gonna I'm not gonna start up here here's
what's you're gonna take it one day at a time I'm gonna appreciate every second I
have here's a theory oh yeah I appreciate all those seconds yeah yeah never mind
um here's the theory I Got a Theory watch the re-watcher that's above the reference by the way we're not there yet
I was like I don't I might not have time I have to plug this okay stop it um what if it's happy and it's ourselves
on that other plane because like you know you're not just here like for sure it definitely exists somewhere else what
if it's our someone else's coming to gather those of us that need to get the [ __ ] out of here but I love that theory
you know and you know what that's an absolutely valid Theory because we have no [ __ ] clue what's going on so that
is a valid Theory I need to go back to therapy I think I think it's fine I'm just blissfully ignorant right now
I'm like you know what no I don't know what those things are do I want to know yeah I do I mean really but like at this
point I'm like I'm just gonna go about my day this has been going on for like decades like there's always been like
UFO sightings and stuff like that it's really amping up right now though yeah I mean like I'm sure it feels like it
might be uh slightly thicker the uh the air right now have they ever been that low in our flying space before like ever
or is that I do not know but I wish we had an expert here today I wish we did maybe we should just get an expert UFO
apologist I don't I think that's only an alien no that's like a thing I think oh
really I'm pretty sure that Henry from last podcast on the left is a new fall Henry so what the [ __ ] is going on maybe
Henry can tell us imagine if they listened Henry if you listen that would be sick I don't think you do but if you
think at this point we probably know it would be sick if you did and you are welcome to come on and talk to us about
ufology because I have actual genuine anxiety it's actually like we should move on because I'm actually feeling my
chest yeah and you know what um let's try to get Henry on here that'll be our next move is to get Henry
and we'll talk about UFOs um but true crime oh before we go to True Crime actually
sorry something else um you know we've been having there's been all these people that have been messaging being
like I thanks for the all the content like are you guys okay though no no I'm not and we are we're okay there's been a
lot of personal stuff that have been going on like so yeah we're going with that
um but there's been some like personal like sad things that have happened yeah yeah we're okay though don't worry we're
totally fine we're just like the kids are all the kids are all right we're just you know people be people in so
that's just like how we are but you know what I woke up this morning and I said huh I feel good like I feel like that
nasty cloud is trailing behind me now like I feel like January and like part of February I
was like get the [ __ ] out of here and it did it was like all right bye and it left and now I woke up this morning and
I was like you know what no one shot down a new phone today no one's seen one as far as I'm concerned
as far as I'm concerned there you go yeah Ash was just leaning towards the microphone to say I was like that we
know of but then just when I was like you know and I was like okay like we're going
okay but then it got ratcheted up a notch because ghost is coming back to the United States this year and I am so
excited she's [ __ ] a dick [ __ ] a whole dick [ __ ] a dick we need to get Tobias back on the Pod to talk about
all the things that was the most you're a cuckoo bird everywhere conversation everywhere ever
and I want to have it again I want to have it again so we got to do that but guys I'm so excited and all my all my
ghost people that have reached out since this whole like Obsession has started I
know you feel me right now we're all excited so that was an exciting thing and I felt
like it was it kicked off a good a good day it really did feeling good about it it really did I agree with you but today
even though it's a good day it's no UFO all go stay that we know of I'm gonna take you not a pet down down down you
usually do yeah and this is um but when it comes to episode yeah you usually you
do take me to take a look just down and this is gonna be a two-patter kid oh two
pilots it's a big case I want to give you time to digest the beginning before I give you the the crazy conclusion
okey-dokey So today we're going to be talking about Harvey glattman oh who is known as the glamor girl Slayer I know
him yeah I know him I've seen him uh yeah no fortunately if you look up this case online I just want to put it out to
you there are crime scene photos so I just want to give you a little warning that if you're like Harvey glattman and
then you just go to images you're gonna see at least like that they're disturbing in a different way okay
um because his photos he would take photos of them like before during after yeah so there's some there's some very
strange ones I just wanted to warn you guys just in case because I know I like to look up pictures while I listen to
something as we all do but not like in these pictures yes so Harvey glattman like I said the glamor girl Slayer he
was known to be active in Los Angeles from the summer of 1957 to 1958. not long but in that time he caused an
unimaginable amount of damage uh he kidnapped and murdered women and then dumped their bodies in the LA desert and
he was only caught when he would be murder victim named Lorraine vigil managed to escape his car
I said escaped I'm not really sure why Escape his car and run to a nearby police patrol unit for help damn yeah so
glatman had a long history of really Disturbing Behavior even in childhood and I'm gonna go through all that don't
worry but having committed his crimes before you know the FBI's Behavioral Science unit really became a thing and
at the time there was really no one who was understanding or really studying serial killers and their psychology at
the time he really didn't get a nickname uh he got a nickname but it wasn't for what he was doing at the time and while
he was active he wasn't even really like a big name in The Press which is concerning yeah that's actually kind of
crazy it's like the 50s of it all you know they were like no just make bread and serve your husband and everything
will be fine sorry I had to take supporter um what's interesting about this case is
that even in the mid to late 2000s detectives discovered new glatman victims in his home state of Colorado
and a supposed victim once believed to be dead was found to be alive and well in Australia holy [ __ ] yeah and that's
gonna be in part two oh okay but don't worry I'm gonna lead all the way up there so this is a crazy case so let's
talk about Harvey glattman as a child because my goodness there were signs yeah so
Harvey glattman was born in the Bronx New York on December 10 1927 what is he a Sagittarius September what 10th
September 10th um that's me and Drew's anniversary look at that Sagittarius no hold on a second
I think that's Libra was right before Capricorn um Sagittarius is like December yeah
December 10th Oh I thought you said September no I was like that's why I was like I'm fairly certain it's a
Sagittarius yes it is okay um sorry I was like I I think it is also that's not me Andrew the anniversary September I
didn't think it was I was very confused I was like are you okay like what's going on
I said September 10th and she said yeah so you I misheard you and you misheard me and then we misread each other we
just [ __ ] each other up we did but I think you're right I think that's sad yeah I think so
um but Harvey was born to Albert and Ophelia gladman I love the name Ophelia I do too so cute uh the couple had met
two years earlier when they were working together at the instructor millinery Supply I like that instructor the
instructor they were married like pretty quickly after they started dating and a
year after they were married Albert used all of their savings to open a small stationary store uh oh this is a pretty
big Financial Risk at the time especially as they were growing their family too but we'll see how it goes
now in the early years of his life Ophelia his mom referred to her son as quote apparently a healthy normal child
I love the Apparently here I know he was apparently pretty healthy like I don't know apparently like you were in charge
of that so they got the Apparently before all of that is a little concerned maybe she means like he appeared to be
but what lurked beneath this yeah apparently but then Ophelia herself began noticing Harvey engaging in
instances of strange Behavior she would refer to it oh God I'm so scared of this
like I can't wait to have kids yeah like if they're doing some some [ __ ] [ __ ]
like this this was very early too very early strange Behavior so it kind of contradicted what she said that he was
apparently very normal and healthy then she's like nah he was there was some strange [ __ ]
so according to Ophelia this is very graphic it just gets a little weird in here uh
when Harvey was three or four years old he would I'm so upset and I'm going to quote
he would tie a string around his penis place the loose end in a drawer then lean back against the string
why was he left to that many devices as a three or four-year-old thank you and I
was like that's a lot of times baller that he knew like how to tie a knot it's a three or four baller that he died
you know but pretty baller pretty baller that you know how to do that but uh maybe tie your shoes instead Harps yeah
so like did they I don't know who you even call about that definitely not not Ghostbusters like yeah
this was in the 50s yeah this is a very different even now you'd be like whoa I don't know
what to do with that but you would call someone in the 50s embarrassment was a big thing yeah
keeping like that thing we don't talk about that and by the way a lot of them I've there was a really good source that
um Dave actually found Dave um his name the author's name is Michael Newton and it's called rope the Twisted life and
crimes of Harvey glattman uh it's a really good book we're gonna uh we're gonna get Lincoln in the show notes I
just wanted to say a lot of these Quotes come from that book Okay so yeah so that
was a little strange Ophelia did admit like that was probably a little unusual that behavior tad bit but at the time
she was thinking okay kids go through weird phases where they're curious about their genitalia and like maybe this is
just a very weird to me way of him exploring that well yeah I mean like kids it's like it's a lot but like they
like rub themselves up against you that's the thing and you know that's the thing because we we have to remember
this is the 50s and we have to remember you're always going to want to explain something like that away yeah especially
like especially when it's your kid so yeah it's just like you gotta look at it like you know kids are weird they go
through and when you look at it with the benefit of hindsight after seeing what he did yeah that's real [ __ ] weird
and that's clearly a red flag but at the time I can understand maybe she was trying to convince that
would scare me a little bit I'm gonna be honest I would call someone but I'm also
not a 50s housewife and that's the thing we have someone to call yeah so you got
to take all that into account but there does come some more later that I'm like yeah lots of people really I gotta do
something about that so uh by all accounts though outside of that situation Harvey's life was like pretty
normal at home like there wasn't anything going on it was pretty in line with that of his peers at the time uh he
was an only child so his mom kind of doted on him as much as possible while Albert his father was the one to be kind
of the primary disciplinarian there wasn't any straight up abuse in the household he was just a strict dad
at the time he was also very disapproving of Harvey's chronic masturbation issue
well you know that he seemed to develop very young uh he told Harvey that it was
going to cause him to get acne if he continued doing it I think maybe more like erectile dysfunction later in life
I don't know about act but I think it's like the Harry Palms thing I think that's like a religious thing
that like if you masturbate you're gonna get Harry Potter that's hilarious yeah like I think that's a thing is it like
Psalms P what is it it was a joke like it was like a religious joke because like Psalms oh
I was like what does that say I literally couldn't spell that my words wow it's Monday you ruined for sure sorry
that was a funny joke I like that probably both hairy Psalms yeah it's I think that's what it was it
was just like probably back then it was very common to tell your kid like don't jack off or you're gonna get acne or
something it's like when your mom says like don't lie or your tongue's gonna turn exactly it's just one of those
things yeah and of course you know he was the primary disciplinary and like I said but it wasn't abuse but it was a
50s households so like it was abuse but we just didn't call it exactly it was abuse by our standards yeah but in the
50s it was just like you're just reason but I don't know any instances of him being like beaten brutally or something
like that you know what I mean but who knows because there isn't a ton known about his early life so yeah
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straight up abuse that anybody was aware of okay but we know that things can happen that we don't know about yeah we
know that in the 50s like the belt was a big thing exactly that that do be abused
that's definitely abuse so Ophelia may have been able to dismiss that one strange drawer incident with his sexual
self-exploration there but then it started to get more frequent okay and it started to become um
slightly masochistic and again you do you literally but this is like a very small child that's
concerning yeah um by the time he was four years old four Harvey's favorite pastime was tying a
rope around his neck then looping the other end over a pipe or a board in the rafters holding it
tight and masturbating at the same time so at four years old he was performing auto-erotic asphyxiation how did he even
and that's like how did he even know how to do that exactly like then I'm I am not accusing anybody of like sexual
abuse or you know physical abuse I'm just saying who knows it could be somebody outside of the fact absolutely
but like something happens somewhere yeah like how did he just come up with that a four-year-old doesn't come up no
that's the thing so it's very strange and as that Michael Newton book points out that goes far beyond the typical
curiosity that a four-year-old or anyone of that age group would have with that kind of stuff because again curiosity is
a thing it can come off a little strange when they're little yeah but that's Way
Beyond and that's the one that I'm like uh yeah that's like adults maybe you should call Ghostbusters here like I
don't know call someone like the doctor now yeah it's and actually he points out
that this is a common thing that you would see this kind of uh potentially injury in like injuring play yeah would
be something that you might see in someone that is a victim of childhood sexual abuse oh that's sad though but
again we have zero reports of that we don't know right but it's just that is something you see it's an interesting
thing and does he ever say anything later about where that came from no one says that he was sexually abused he does
not say he was sexually abused okay uh his parents obviously don't and then he doesn't say anything about like like
doing that when he was little I think he later does like his crimes are very sexual in nature yeah so I mean there
was a clear thing there but I don't think even he understands it okay to be quite honest that's just me though but
neither like I said Harvey didn't report being abused in the home sexually physically nothing
his parents didn't but this again was the 50s so if he was being abused by someone outside of the home or in the
home for that matter silence would have been kind of par for the course oh man but I would have thought he would say
something maybe later but who knows again a lot of people go their whole lives and they don't say a word and
could have been repressed also exactly it could be in any number of things um but also at this time when he was
young Albert and Ophelia were spending tons of time at the store they had opened like 12 hours a day seven days a
week kind of thing so he was left to his own devices a lot like a babysitter like he would have a
babysitter but like also he was just kind of left to like roam around okay so it's like who knows who he ran into if
something could have happened or like what he like even like picked up a magazine yeah you don't know
but it's very interesting now in uh 1938 the glatmans actually moved to Denver Colorado and this was because of what
Ophelia referred to as increased economic activity I don't know where that economic
activity was because you know they really couldn't do a lot with that stationary shop and they ended up having
to close it down huh so he uh Albert ended up getting a job driving a taxi cab in Denver and Ophelia actually got a
job at a local hat shop to make ends meet so it didn't look like they were like thriving they were like at the
bottom but you know whatever Harvey kept up with the very strange and very frequent sexual behavior and not long
after they'd gone to Denver Albert Ophelia came home one evening to discover his neck swollen and rope
burned oh no and in interviews after he was arrested way later Harvey also said that he remembers several times one or
the both of his parents catching him masturbating and he said it was very disturbing to
his father in particular you would think his father used to be very upset about it and apparently his father had become
convinced that this Behavior was evidence of his son being queer now it's important to note this could be
any number of like the the what the term queer has so many meanings in the 50s especially could also be him saying
strange quote unquote or it could be referring to as like sexuality yeah who knows that's never distinguished between
right so I don't know either way he thought it was evidence of something that he deemed to be off of him so
unlike the first incident of unusual uh psychosexual Behavior we'll call it when
he was four years old that swollen neck and rope burns on Harvey's neck that got
everybody finally moving yeah I mean you could kill yourself very easily this is
when everybody was like we gotta find professional help here so Albert nofelia took him to the family physician
who um did the best that he could do by just prescribing him some pills here do some cocaine about it just do
some cocaine about some methamphetamine that'll do the you'll go your ghosts in your bloodstream just do some cocaine
about it um he also you know he was like here's some pills and then he was like you know
what you just need to keep this boy busy and he'll just grow out of it oh okay yeah he'll just grow out of this very
normal behavior um it makes sense at this time that his parents likely just wanted to make this
go away yeah out of Shame completely and the doctor probably just didn't want to
deal with it at the time like this is not a time where or didn't even know how to because like what was he probably was
was nowhere near like educated in that way no to be dealing with this kind of psychology right Behavior like that's
the thing he needed many more doctors this didn't need to just be the family physician that needed to be several
Specialists involved here and he just didn't get it so that same year Harvey began attending Sherman Elementary
School oh my God this is all before Elementary well this is actually where he was in junior high so this is when
he's going into junior high but it was at the Sherman Elementary School I guess I don't really know how that works okay
but that's where I was like I'm sure I know because when I saw it I was like wait what but yeah that's what it was
but he was actually a great student he excelled at the very least he was doing like average in school but he was really
above and beyond for most part it was social skills that he struggled with kids made fun of him a lot um they've
made fun of him for acne they said he had buck teeth and over developed ears he did have very large ears which later
in life we can make fun of him all we want yeah totally because he's a piece of [ __ ] but will that you feel bad for
the kids but the kid it's sad teachers said that he was very easily offended and very sensitive same uh same me too
and because of all this Harvey had developed a very deep fear of being around girls at this point because he
felt very inadequate whenever he was in their presence this isn't shocking considering the bullying and the
underdeveloped social skills of course he was going to be scared around girls yeah but Ophelia later reported that he
was so uncomfortable around women and girls that even later he would cross the street to avoid even passing one on the
sidewalk wow that's yeah that's Prime Time fear yeah I'm like I don't think that's uh that's a normal phase of
development you were walking down the street in a man's one thing like usually it's the it's that would be great
actually especially now like actually that would be nice if a man would just like cross over to the other side I
would be singing I got the power right for the rest of my day it would be like the Bruce Almighty theme yes I'd be like
wow I can do anything yeah it's really wild but when he wasn't in school he was actually in the Boy Scouts he worked a
part-time job he was a delivery boy and then he actually worked as a laboratory assistant which I was like oh oh
um he played music with this little band for a little while okay his whole you know his life while he was dealing with
some bullying again pretty unremarkable not huge things happening it's really just that behind the scenes
psychosexual Behavior that's happening with himself essentially right now but it's just not being taken care of if it
was being taken care of I wonder what would have happened I know because it just like right now he's just doing it
with himself but then he takes it out into the world yeah because that's where the
unremarkability and the Fairly normal outside worlds comes crashing down sure does Harvey's criminal career began at
age 12. wow yeah yep that was the first year that he was enrolled in Sherman Elementary and it began when he with
what he referred to as creeping which involved him breaking into apartments and just like stealing little items uh
he once stole a 26 caliber revolver at first it was like a game and he said he did it kind of just for the thrill of
doing it it like got him excited it's so scary though because it's like we say all the time if somebody is like cuckoo
kubuku enough to break into your house not knowing who the [ __ ] you are or what
the [ __ ] is inside they are a scary person they are a scary [ __ ] they are not to be trifled with if they
are ready to jump into your house without knowing 12 years old no fear of bringing a home like wow yeah and you
know what this just makes me think again that if you're looking for a tick tock follow for good self-defense and like
really good tips that pure power I think his name is on Tick Tock um he's [ __ ] amazing and he has a
podcast and he has the most soothing voice ever oh [ __ ] but he's very good at like telling you self-defense stuff
telling you just smart ways to keep yourself out of even having to use self-defense okay like he wants you to
like not even get to that point and he has like a whole like Amazon storefront where he puts things like items that he
feels are really good for self-defense and for protection and home security he's just like a really good follow hell
yeah he's very comforting he gives updates I think he's um he's a police officer former detective oh okay talking
about crimes against children yep yep yep so like like love him yeah and he's just he's really good to follow for like
updates on cases like the Idaho case and everything that's going on he just gives
like real unbiased just here's what I think is happening here good um but he's a really good follow so I just like I
want him to like blow up follow him you know him and this girl Sinister by well Sinister babe of course but there's
another one I just love giving you recommendations let's blow these tickets uh horror Chronicles on Tick Tock she
gives um horror movie recommendations she's [ __ ] awesome at it all of hers have any plus she gives she watches like
a million horror movies a second she's phenomenal that would rude and I think she's making her own she's actually
producing her own so go follow her horror Chronicles go follow her yeah I want her to blow up too
so yeah that's a little side change we might all get blown up let's just yeah you know UFOs are coming but let's let's
blow these people up and get them some get them some Bag before that happens um yeah so he's he's stealing these
items he's doing this for the thrill of it and at first he was like I just did it for the thrill of it but
oh I can pictures him going I'm doing it for a thrill what is that for uh what's
this from a song it's like I'm doing it follow it through I don't know something I was always I was
thinking of that song we are always running a little bit oh we switching up that
hill search there you go that's him so that's that's Harvey he's searching for the thrill of
it but unfortunately he brought it out of thrill behavior and into violent Behavior pretty quick he only marinated
in that thrill behavior for like a minute uh because now he was preferring to break into the homes of single women
like preferably single women 12. yep and sometimes at 12 no he would follow a woman home
force her into her bedroom gag her with a cloth while tying her arms with rope holy [ __ ] was he a big kid he was not a
big kid that's the thing but he had a gun he would flash that gun that's why he stole it and other times he would
unbutton their shirts and skirts to assault them and then just leave them so like
escalationstation.com like you that wasn't taken care of when it should have been taken care of and now we have this
holy [ __ ] and this is going to be a lot harder to stop and it doesn't so by the time he'd completed his
sophomore year of high school in 1944 he had really become bold with this Behavior because he just keeps getting
away he's getting worse and worse and he's getting away with it he'd stolen another gun from another apartment that
he broke into and would use that to threaten women on the streets he would pull them into like alleys and [ __ ] and
force them into undressing or giving him cash what the [ __ ] he had also taken up
photography on the side I was gonna say I knew that came into play at some point
and I know that sounds random but it will it will matter later yeah uh very ick um but yeah he would so now he's using
these guns that he's stolen and it's only women like he's got a thing with women and it's like what the [ __ ] is
going on then the very next year in May 1945 he was actually caught by the Denver Police as he was attempting to
break into the apartment of a single woman holy cow when the officers turned out his pockets they discovered pretty
long piece of rope and a pistol yeah and they knew exactly what he was going to be doing with it he was interrogated and
he confessed to burglarizing area Apartments but he would not admit to sexual assaults of course not he just
said he would burglarize he just liked the thrill of breaking in places [ __ ] liar he was charged with first degree
robbery and he was actually bailed out by his parents yeah they're not Ophelia and Albert are
not helping I just need to put that out there Harvey's parents were very much in
denial very much it was just sad when you think about it it is sad no one wants to believe their child is like
this but I also want to be like now's that hindsight that you need to look back on those other things and be like
yeah something's wrong and we need to get him help yeah but again the time period makes it a little more difficult
so I can understand it's just like we're looking at it through a 2023 lens it's frustrating it's very frustrating
um they just couldn't or wouldn't recognize what was happening here even though at this point it's like right in
front of them the man was showing a very severe hatred and aggressive aggression
towards women specifically and his mother Ophelia at the time said she just believed that her son had begun using
the break-ins and assaults as a means of meeting women mama what yeah like she said he's just really girl shy
take up speed dating [ __ ] and then she was actually quoted in an interview as saying he accosted girls in the
evening just for an approach or on another occasion he entered an apartment where girls were alone and molested them
in a similar way but never harmed anyone in a bodily way molesting someone is not harming them
bodily Ophelia we need to talk like girl look up your definition of molest that is what's so sad about this is it's like
she's fully sitting there being like what he only molested people yeah what the [ __ ] do you call that well then
that makes you wonder like what she went through exactly because I'm like if you
don't think that's harming someone like and if you've taught him that that is not harming someone has he gone through
something and he just doesn't he didn't realize that that's what that was yeah because he's been taught that that's
real [ __ ] weird with that statement Thank You by late spring of 1945 all the creeping and you know late night
activities that he had done had taken kind of a toll on his schoolwork he's falling behind yeah yeah he was a really
good student for most of his career but he was finishing High School in June of that year with like his grades falling
dramatically he did end up graduating apparently in like the top part of his class but that was literally only
because of his previous years right right um then on Sunday evening in mid-june so
Harvey approached Noreen Laurel on a Denver Street Corner excuse me and he approached her he flashed her pissed the
pistol at her like he had done a bunch of other other times and he told her to come along with him quietly oh no don't
you just want to throat punch him yes like some [ __ ] other things little [ __ ] stain walking up to you with his
big [ __ ] ears and flashing a pistol in your face yeah like I'm telling you to come with you you little turd
once he had her in the back in the back excuse me once he had her back at the car is what I meant to say Harvey tied
her hands with rope and demanded that she get in the car oh my God this poor girl she had to get in and at that point
he drove her out to Sunshine Canyon in the western part of the city and what happened there is kind of unclear okay
but Harvey later said that he removed her clothes and assaulted her before allowing her to leave and then even
giving her cab fare for the ride home what a kind God yeah wow Harvey and you know what in true yeah that's about
right fashion police reports and interviews at the time stressed that Noreen Laurel was not attacked or raped
and that the two had only quote laid down together all night yeah I bet that's about right like who do men think
they are just being able to like overpower women take what you want them like just take whatever the [ __ ] like
who the [ __ ] do you think you are exactly if not for a woman you wouldn't be here
go away so get the [ __ ] out you all [ __ ] yeah he's real gross I hate um of course luckily Noreen Laurel
immediately went to the police to report the kidnapping and assault and the Denver police were a little taken aback
at first by how familiar this looked yeah because they were like wait a second after all they had just arrested
Harvey glattman a month earlier for a very similar thing so they showed noreena series because he was breaking
into an apartment who literally assault someone right with all that [ __ ] um so they showed Noreen a series of mug
shots and she immediately identified Harvey as the man who abducted her and driven her out to Sunshine Canyon right
Harvey was arrested later that afternoon for the charge of molesting women and then released pending trial wow wow just
released imagine like you just are running around molesting women and you get released also I hate the word molest
I know it's really gross it is and his ears are yeah and huge he's such a little too many serious they are I'm
pissed at him at this point oh I forgot that you said that there's yeah guys do not Google him because that will happen
it's up to you on impact they're upsetting yeah they are um but by the summer of 1945 at just 17 years old
he's still only 17 years old here he had been arrested twice for assaulting and abducting women that's a pattern that's
a pathology and that's a [ __ ] problem gladman family yeah cause we're only going to like randomly escalated thank
you so Albert and Ophelia finally took Harvey to a psychologist yeah they only took him to the family
[ __ ] doctor yeah but probably the pediatrician who was like here you go here's some Flintstone vitamins you'll
be fine so Dr JP Hilton was the psychiatrist that they took him to I'm not um he was made very aware of Harvey's
history of very unusual sexual behavior and among the most noteworthy of Hilton's observations was that Harvey
was quote Sullen morose and very disrespectful and for several years had felt that everyone was against him
including his parents okay interesting very disrespectful like to say the least yeah like please say more
um but he actually diagnosed Harvey with schizophrenia huh but he offered absolutely no treatment option or any
more information other than recommending that he just plead not guilty by reason
of insanity okay thanks Doc I'm so glad that everyone is doing the absolute least
here what about his condition made you feel like he was schizophrenic exactly what is that what is that based on I
don't think a lot yeah I think that was I almost feel like that was like let's take him to a psychologist because you
know because he's insane because they they kind of almost admitted the parents that like they only took him to the
psychiatrist to help with the legal trouble yeah it sounds like that well and it sounds like this guy was like ah
schizophrenia yeah sure why not plead Insanity right it's no surprise that after that on September 30th 1945 Harvey
was arrested again wow we I know unfortunately this time we don't know a lot about the charges of this arrest
um because remember this is the 40s but it's unknown whether there was no bail set or whether his parents didn't have
the resources to bail him out this time but whatever the case he spent the next month and a half in jail good uh he
appeared in court on November 19th and he didn't plead Insanity as was suggested he pled guilty to first-degree
robbery and was sentenced to one to five years at Colorado State Penitentiary I was going to say maybe he just knew that
the yeah it wasn't going to work and pleading guilty will get you a lesser yeah exactly sentence and he probably
didn't want to go in a hospital exactly so while he was in prison in Colorado he
was evaluated by a second psychiatrist a real one who described him as quote somewhat embarrassed and shy boy who had
been a model in moight boy a name something you have a Shabbos sad boy but unlike the other doctor this
prison psychiatrist said he found no evidence of hallucinations or psychotic thought patterns saying quote there's
evidence of anxiety but emotions are well controlled practically no Fantasy Life is evident and the prison
psychiatrist concluded I feel this boy is probably a psychoneurosis compulsive or anxiety type without much depression
and I can find no evidence of schizophrenia and do not believe shock treatment is indicated which I was like
okay hello that's good well damn um so because of good behavior and being a model prisoner he got paroled after
serving just eight months of the one-year mandatory sentence and was released July 27 1946. great guys there
wasn't any women in there with him yeah like he has nothing to of course he's gonna keep his [ __ ] together there were
no women in there for him to assault exactly of course is going to be a model in me what's he gonna do like come on
that's the thing ah he makes me crazy me too by the way in later interviews with
the Press Ophelia said Harvey was seen by another psychiatrist upon release from prison prison why can't I talk
today you know it's the first day that I feel alive and I can't speak aliens um but yeah another psychiatrist saw him
when he was released from prison and his treatment recommendations included a trip out of state
and dancing lessons to increase the young man's confidence with girls a psychiatrist said this
dance lessons to make him stop kidnapping and sexually assaulting women can you imagine if you went to your
therapist and you were like hey I'm sad and they're like you know what you should do dance about it dance and go on
a trip or imagine going to your psychiatrist and being like hi I just got out of prison because I kidnapped
and sexually assaulted a woman with a pistol and that psychiatrist is like I think you have confidence issues you
should get some confidence with women let's have you dance with them no I think that will be fine you know what
you can use more confidence when you abduct and assault women yikes what the [ __ ] about him says that he doesn't have
confidence he's literally abducting women and forcing himself upon them that has a certain air of I get to do what I
want to do right about it that's the thing I love that their whole thing is like he's just trying to get a date a
poor Shy Boy I'm like yeah I don't think so yeah I love that trying to get his way everyone around him is like you know
it's it's very in-cell thinking like it's very in his in his family and everyone around him are just just right
along with it they're all like yeah it's the women's fault like maybe if they were nice to him he wouldn't have to be
a [ __ ] murderer and it's like I don't think that's right let them take him take them home then he wouldn't have to
hold a pistol at their house yeah like what the [ __ ] like oh okay yeah that works
thanks so of course Ophelia ever the doting mother I can't took Harvey to New York hoping the change of scenery would
maybe help him feel better here son here's some New York girls yeah here's a whole other
population for you to attack great uh it didn't which I know is shocking but his
prison stint didn't change him no he very shortly after arriving in New York bought a pocket knife and a cap gun that
looked very real and resumed his whole creeping thing and now it's so much easier in New York yeah it's a new place
again like almost like the scream uh read that we did March 10th go see screams radio silence
Samara weaving like Sweeney mcswooners also Kirby's back Kirby's back Kirby all right so on August 7th I mean it's on
August 17th less than one month month after being paroled in color I'm sorry I'm not I'm not on this planet I think a
new foe has taken part of me away oh no uh I don't know why I can't talk today you just got prone it's been a long few
weeks I think my brain and my mouth are just catching up with each other it's been a long life mama so Harvey right
after being paroled like one month Harvey approached two young women on the street in Yonkers and flashed a gun at
them he told them to be silent and he wouldn't hurt them one of the women luckily screamed her [ __ ] head off
good and Drew the attention of a man nearby who ran to them and screamed at Harvey was like I'm gonna [ __ ] you up
thank God for Good Men Harvey ran off into the night scared the [ __ ] out of him but it didn't scare him too badly
because shortly later the same evening after midnight Harvey was out once again prowling in the same exact area this
time he came upon Thomas starro and Doris Thorne who are just out together for a late night walk yeah he flashed a
fake pistol at them this time they were scared obviously and they complied they didn't want to get hurt yeah and they
walked with him into the dark area just beyond the road Harvey told Thomas to kneel on the ground and put his hands
behind his back I don't know when he did he stole 30 dollars from Thomas's wallet
the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] are you like get the [ __ ] out of here then he tied his
hands and feet then he turned his attention to Doris she must have been [ __ ] here so poor Thomas is kneeling
there with his hands and feet tied I can't do anything he instructed Doris to stand by a tree where he bound her hands
behind her back and began removing her shirt oh my God as he began doing this Thomas managed to get himself untied
jumped up and [ __ ] like linebacker tackled Harvey and completely unexpectedly beat the [ __ ] out of him
Harvey didn't hear him untying himself did not know he was coming just got [ __ ] sideswiped Taurus must have been
like mine Harvey put then though pulled the knife from his pocket and sliced Thomas's chest and abdomen oh two
or three times before running off oh my gosh luckily they both lived the couple reported the attack to police and by the
time the Yonkers Police Department released their alert for the man who attacked them Harvey had already left
the city and was on his way to Albany thank goodness but [ __ ] up in late August Harvey was not hanging with his
mom anymore and he actually started renting an apartment on Columbia a Columbia Street in Albany and he started
prowling once again on the night of August 22nd Florence Hayden had just left work and took the bus back to her
apartment after getting off of her stop she was just walking for a few minutes towards her apartment and she started to
realize she got that feeling like someone was following her right and when she looked she was like oh good it's
just a nurse like who was probably on her way to work so she was like okay I'm near the hospital that makes sense but
what Florence didn't see behind the nurse was Harvey following and stalking hiding behind I'm the nurse when the
nurse turned down towards the street down the street towards the hospital Harvey made his move and rushed Florence
by from behind jammed the gun into her back and told her not to make a sound he stole whatever she had in her purse and
then forced her into a dark backyard there he instructed her to turn around and put her hands behind her back
Florence is a Smart Cookie though and as he began tying her hands with the Rope she realized that if he was using both
hands to bind her he wouldn't be able to aim or shoot a gun boom so with this in
mind she just turned around to face Tim pushed him as hard as she could and screamed as loud as she could smart girl
the sharpness of that movement and the unexpected screaming at him scared the [ __ ] out of Harvey he did not see that
coming so he just ran off good but she immediately went to the police and reported this luckily everyone's
reporting which is good but I know because especially back then that didn't always happen because unfortunately you
don't see it a lot they were just like yeah that's your fault yeah exactly and that does happen at some point yeah so
that didn't scare him enough though because the next night he tried another assault this time he jumped out at teens
Beverly Goldstein and Evelyn Berger as they walked down the sidewalk yeah he waved his fake gun in their faces he
demanded money from them but once they handed over the money he suddenly realized that he wasn't proud he wasn't
going to be able to bind an assault one without the other one either running or trying to stop him like he hadn't
thought this through thinking so he took the cash and ran wow luckily he's a [ __ ] idiot luckily Evelyn and Beverly
went directly to the police and reported the assault [ __ ] idiot he is like he literally went through with this and I
was like oh [ __ ] oh wait a minute yeah one of them's probably gonna try to help
the other huh [Music] thank you now this is the first time that Harvey actually got some kind of nickname but
it was like he became known he was he was feared at this point in the community because he was attacking
people and he was he was being called The Phantom Bandit wow which is really bad it's crafty that's really bad and
apparently he was a real pain in the ass to the Albany Police because they just couldn't seem to NAB him he would just
disappear into the darkness now Police Commissioner James Kerwin and night Chief William Mooney at the Albany
Police Department coordinated with the Albany Police detective Bureau and they mounted what what was at the time
referred to as the most intensive Manhunt conducted in recent memory [ __ ] so they were really going for it yeah
like there was a lot riding on this they had detectives and Patrol officers everywhere and even volunteering to work
overtime to catch the Phantom good um this paid off because two days later on August 25th two detectives spotted
someone matching the Phantom description that had been given by all the victims because luckily they all could describe
him um and I love it because part of the description said that he had quote big ears holding up a pair of horned Rim
glasses accurate um I support bullying here not only did he match the physical description but as
the detective watched this asshat he was intense intently following a young woman
who seemed completely oblivious to his presence they were just watching him follow her wow like watching him in real
time so they immediately approached him with their guns drawn what you doing they
literally walked up and were like yeah like just right in his face yeah and instructed him to turn out his pockets
inside he had his fake cap gun yup a length of rope and his wallet which contained 24 dollars
now he was taken into custody without much incident while a second patrol unit searched
Harvey's apartment where they found several personal items belonging to previous victims crazy ding ding ding
it's the Bandit there he is so Harvey sang like a bird that sings a canary the canary sing yes yeah they think uh he's
saying no that's the phrase anyway yeah he's saying like a bird sing don't they they do right like a morning
Glory Glory no is that flower that might be a flower I think it is a flower I don't know either way he spilled the tea
at the station he told them everything he talked about prison his criminal history his assaults and robberies and
Yonkers only weeks earlier all of it he was proud of himself like thought it was great oh authorities
in Colorado we're like oh hey he's on parole so they were willing to charge yeah they were
like that's a parole violation um they were like hey Albany will you extradite him and we'll we'll charge him
too um and also police and Yonkers were like oh hey can we also have him because of
that violent assault on Thomas and Doris over here thanks but authorities in Albany were like well we want to
prosecute him for the three attacks first yeah so on August 28th a grand jury in Albany indicted Harvey for
robbing Florence Hayden by means of force and by placing her in fear of immediate injury okay all of the added
potential charges in the different places were going to be a problem for him yeah so he eagerly accepted the DA's
offer offer for a reduced sentence for a guilty plea okay in early October he was
sentenced to five to ten years and was sent to Elmira Reformatory on October 24th 1946 to serve that sentence
now he was evaluated by a physician and a psychiatrist when he was admitted to the prison they always do that and he
completed an IQ test and he got a score of 126. wow so the psychiatrist Dr Ralph
Ryan Kell noted that he was quote endowed with Superior intelligence which is unfortunate I wonder if he had a
superiority complex he could have and this is what he wrote he said in his notes um you can see this in the Michael
Newton book too he said because of his conforming attitude and high level of ability he will probably have no
difficulty in an institution and will do well in any program to which he is assigned in accordance with his ability
yeah however unless he receives intensive Psychotherapy it is not likely that a correctional institution will
improve his deep-seated personality difficulties I think we've already proved that which make him a potentially
dangerous individual to be at Large I'm going to go out on a limb here and say we should listen when psychiatrists
give this blunt and insightful of a [ __ ] evaluation I would initially Harvey reports that his criminal
activities were just motivated on quote the impulse to become famous or do something unusual
something unusual but then he later said it was the impulse to hold up women tie
them up and watch them afforded him sexual gratification and gave him a sense of stimulation oh so he was
officially diagnosed as Psychopathic personality schizophrenic type oh and that was due to that other diagnosis of
schizophrenia yeah um and they said without proper treatment he will remain a threat to the
public but they were all like yeah that's fine and let me just let him out they didn't give him proper treatment
well finally this is when his parents seemed to kind of take it even more seriously Ophelia actually told Dr Ryan
kale that she and Albert would consent to brain surgery or a frontal lobotomy wow if there was no other options for
treatment because she literally said she wished him dead over living life as a criminal deviant oh okay so given the
time period and the pattern of behavior before this it could be that his parents
finally saw this as something that needed to be taken care of for betterment purposes right or they could
have still felt a little shamed and felt like a lobotomy would just kind of incapacitate and take care of the issue
the fact that they were like you know what just lobotomized just lobotomize that [ __ ] [ __ ] not sure or why but on
September 9 1948 after serving two years at Alba Almira Harvey was transferred to
Sing Sing prison along the Hudson River just outside New York City no one knows why his behavior was not as good
despite he was getting like good behavior reports but he got was getting rave reviews that's what he was he had
five stars but when he went to sing sing he got he also got good reports of behavior okay um he was part of their
radio repair program which later becomes a job for him uh the psychiatrist at sing-sing said his Outlook was
unfortunately poor yeah and insisted that he quote should be psycho-educated and if still anti-social should be
segregated even if schizophrenia does not seem to develop huh and the psychiatric report also said
that his IQ was at 1 30. oh wow which was four points higher than the previous day that's a solid solid amount of
points what's interesting even more so though is that the state parole board submitted another report a year later in
August of 1949 and his IQ was at 90. huh so somehow it dropped 40 points in 12 months that's interesting the report
doesn't give a reason to really even acknowledge this like big deviation yeah right the thing is though one he could
have been tired sick anything when he took that test two he could have done it on purpose yeah because why the [ __ ] at
that point he's like what else do I have to do yeah it just it's but it's just a
strange little like how the [ __ ] did that happen at one is it always the same exact test geez that's the thing I don't
know so who knows now after two and a half years at sing-sing with six months taken off for good behavior he was
granted parole I must go on April 16 1951 but he would have to remain under Court supervision for five more years
uh he was now sent to Yonkers because he had warrants there for his arrest for Thomas and Doris the attack on them this
was a big charge considering what he had done to them yeah he was facing serious
time for this one fortunately for Harvey and unfortunately for everyone else in the entire world
his lawyer and the Yonkers charge said that the court had known about Harvey's whereabouts since 1946 they could have
prosecuted him at any point in the previous five years and they didn't so this would be a violation of his sixth
amendments right to a speedy public trial oh that's open and shut the judge in the case said yeah that's he yeah
that's no other choice the charges were dismissed my god dude yeah and then the parole board in New York approved
Harvey's proposed plan to move back to Denver and live with his parents they just said he needed to maintain
regular check-ins with the court he had to have outpatients outpatient therapy and um he had to keep a job I think okay
so Harvey returned to Denver in the fall of 1951 and he met with psychiatrist Dr
Franklin ebaugh Franklin Franklin for an evaluation uh he also was there to get treatment recommendations but Eva Eva
diagnosed Harvey as a secondary psychopath what's that mean he said his feelings of inadequacy poor adaptability
impulsivity and the fact that he is very critical in somewhat hostile towards his
environment would be reason enough for him to attend at least monthly therapy sessions okay
but that was it okay he never returned but he got that recommendation and that was it thanks
for your wreck yeah he just didn't he didn't come back and then years later after Harvey had been arrested for
murder later in Los Angeles Dr Eva actually said Harvey quote was relatively free of all symptoms at the
time of evaluation oh yeah totally I bet failures you're all failures like what the [ __ ] so he's just ignoring that
psychiatric you know that he has to attend therapy he's ignoring that he's like nah I don't feel like it yeah no
big deal but he definitely got a job right he didn't no for the first three and a
half years he lived with his parents in Denver he was just completely unemployed
and how old is he at this point at this point he's like in his early I think he's early 20s yeah yeah
now according to his mother he was unable to find a job because quote no Bonding Company would give him Bond
Ophelia stop like you can't find a job oh stop it Ophelia then in October of 1952 a year after he
had come home Albert glapman died of complications of diabetes oh that's sad I know it is sad and as a result Ophelia
had to work a lot more to make ends meet so she's out more yeah so she actually opened a small hat shop in Denver and
Harvey was kind of left to his own devices again we all know what happens when Harvey's left to his own
[ __ ] devices it's not good we don't want it yeah yeah now finally that year he found or no excuse me uh two
years later in 1954 he actually finally found employment at a Denver butcher shop oh no but don't worry he abandoned
that job after 10 months we don't really know why okay 10 months that's pretty good yeah a parole summary from this
time actually shows him his employment history uh they they label it as erratic I would say because he worked in just
two years he worked as radio and television repair jobs mattress filler truck driver shipping clerk butcher like
everywhere is a mattress filler just somebody who likes stuff's mattresses maybe imagine I feel like that'd be a
really soothing job I mean I don't know what they stuffed mattresses with it's probably poisonous probably like
asbestos probably probably just straight up asbestos I mean you know yeah yeah um apparently according to the report he
had difficulty in adjusting with some of his employers and was often fired for insubordination and arrogant Behavior
Harvey no yeah which also I'm like you're pretty bold to look like you do and be so arrogant and Harpy you're
pretty bold pretty [ __ ] bold be on parole and I give you a job you're a dick about it I just can't ask that I
just love that that guy looked in the mirror every day and was bold in any way it's usually those ones like what a
little [ __ ] turd yeah oh no on September 7th 1956 uh he was discharged from parole after doing nothing he was
supposed to do so awesome that system worked really well in that instance now he was just completely free and clear he
didn't have any charges nothing he can just go so finally at this point he's 28 years old and he can do whatever the
[ __ ] he wants and what he wanted to do was get as far away from Denver in as far away from his mom as he could so in
January of 1957 he moved to Los Angeles California he had Big Dreams of becoming a star he
certainly did now remember Harvey from like the beginning of his life has had someone telling him what to do not just
his parents but like bosses jailers parole officers in Los Angeles no one this is the first time he is free he's
writing the script yeah something that with someone who has his particular interests would be very appealing oh
yeah because remember this is a big city it's Los Angeles you can go around unnoticed no one's going to notice a
little strange Behavior so remember he did the radio repair program at sing-sing and he worked on like on and
off in radio and television repair once he was paroled so he quickly found work in La at the in those kind of jobs
um it wasn't super steady work but he could cover rent for a small apartment he was renting on Melrose Avenue
um and if he couldn't cover the rent Ophelia would just send him money yeah well she would yeah and right now at
this point he's really going further into his uh interest in photography that he started in high school which I
mentioned yeah you did now this is La in the later 50s almost the 60s actresses and models are everywhere looking for
their Big Break um and at this time you could find like it there was all those stories of like
you know this this gal was just waiting in line at a diner and this man came up and said you need to be in pictures you
know like it's just this was that time literally so during this time period those who felt so inclined and couldn't
find that kind of work yet but still wanted to be in the realm of some kind of entertainment they could make ends
meet by posing for kind of low brow men's magazines yeah other photographers that had like
questionable quote credentials that's how like Betty Page started exactly this was a very big thing the detective
magazines you know like that kind of stuff um nobody really wanted to do it but it
would pay the bills so at nearly 30 years old in 1957 he had Harvey had not had a consensual sexual encounter at
this point wow he's almost 30. he has not seen a woman nude of their own volition that's nuts and let that
sink in he's never full-blown raped not that we know this point that we know of not that we know of every encounter he
has had sexually or with a naked woman has been violently forced upon them wow yes that's wild isn't that wild to think
about heartbreaking for those women so heartbreaking now in Los Angeles all he had to do was call one of those modeling
agencies or place an ad in the back of a magazine looking for models and women would come to him so the photography of
it all actually worked his benefit for a few reasons one being that it was easy to put an ad in there call a modeling
agency and say you're a photographer it also made him seem legit and trustworthy
especially if he creeped agency exactly and for someone so uncomfortable and self-conscious in the presence of women
the camera was also a nice little barrier between himself and them it kind of gave him this like control feeling
without having a weapon in his hands yeah even though it kind of was his wife but it was his weapons so he went about
just luring and taking photos of nude women for a while always under a fake photographer name yeah he was kind of
testing the waters a little bit seeing how this all worked yep but after a few months he wasn't just content to hide
behind the camera and watch naked women uh so in summer of 1957 he decided to escalate and boy did he Harvey's first
Target was Lynn Michaels a woman he'd photographed a few months earlier while he was posing as Johnny Glenn
a professional commercial photographer was he like hey by the way that's not my name no he just came that that was what
he pretended his name was and Harvey's plan was to show up at Michael's apartment they know each other a little
bit from that one counter comfortable exactly and he's like he was just gonna show up and say you know what like I
need to do a photo shoot will you be my model and then he was planning to sexually assault her once he managed to
get inside he'd even purchased a 32 caliber pistol just in case oh my God on the evening of July 13th he drove to her
apartment and knocked on her door but what he didn't think about was maybe she doesn't live alone
oh yep and it never crossed his mind that she could live with someone else yeah wait that I mean I'm happy like I'm
glad but I'm like you don't think anything else you're an idiot uh so somebody else answered the door and he
knew he couldn't restrain two people at once he had failed at that several times
already so we had to think of another clan so it was lyko's roommate who answered the door and she ended up
letting him in and told him you know Lynn isn't home and as she told him this Harvey noticed another
blonde attractive female a picture of one hanging on the wall okay and she he walked over to it and he was like who's
this and the blonde in the photos was 19 year old Judy Ann doll the girl's other
roommate she was also a sometimes pinup model okay she is breathtaking pinup work is like my
favorite kind of model if you look her up you're like holy [ __ ] Judy was also out when um Judy wasn't in like wasn't
in the apartment she was out when Harvey had arrived so the roommate gave him the
phone number and was like you should just call another time and maybe they'll want to work with you yeah by 1957 let's
talk about um Judy for a minute by 1957 Judy had been modeling for a while um she had actually already at 19 been
married and divorced oh wow um because and at the time she was in like a very intense custody battle for her
one-year-old daughter so she was trying to make any extra money she could for like court fees and [ __ ] and just to
like prove that she could take care of her and of course he's gonna use that to it he's going to pray on that Harvey had
come unexpectedly to the apartment at one point saying his name was Johnny Glenn and that her roommates knew him
like he had come back to the apartment and he was saying you know he needed someone for a rush job it was a pulp
novel cover and she would be perfect for it and she wasn't jumping at the chance
when she answered the door she was like she was like hesitant she just had a feeling like probably that like you know
this I think this is the guy that my roommate described as kind of a creep I'm not sure like she's seen a lot of
photographers but I just I don't know I think this is the one but Harvey kind of
pushed a little saying it was an emergency and if she wasn't interested because she could she just get one of
the other girls on the phone because he'll take one of them okay this is when she was like fine and she led him into
the apartment yeah now when he arrived he told Judy that a friend's photo studio had actually just become
available unexpectedly and he was like would you mind switching the location instead of being at your apartment could
we go to the studio and she really didn't want to because she was like no I feel safe in my apartment yeah because I
have two roommates that could come in at any time and like I don't know about that like you didn't say we were going
somewhere but the money was really good that he was saying of course that was she needed to work as much as possible
to get money together for the custody hearing so she agreed and left the apartment in Harvey's black George Dodge
Coronet so they ended up not going to a studio but going to Harvey's apartment she went inside because she was focused
solely on making money for her daughter and that kills me once inside he explained that the photos were for a
detective style magazine and he'd be shooting her in bondage oh no so he tied her hands behind her back he bound her
ankles and then he began shooting poses of Judy in various poses she was on a chair at one point she was laying on a
rug eventually Judy was like I'm uncomfortable and I'm wrestling I didn't want to get out of him yeah like I've
done enough but he wouldn't untie her instead he just placed her onto a chair and told her that he was going to keep
her tied up while he quote had some fun with her oh my God he then flashed the gun at her and was like do you know I'm
serious now oh my God now unfortunately we only get Harvey's side of the story in a lot of these but his version that
he told detectives is that he claimed once he made those intentions clear he removed the gag from Judy's mouth and
told her he'd kill her if she yelled she nodded in agreement and according to him
Judy told him that she was a nymphomaniac and that she wouldn't cause any trouble for him
I highly highly highly doubt that I would go on the record saying that that's most likely not true I'm gonna
say it right now that's 100 not true no like anybody in that position is not going to be like well don't worry about
me because I'm an infomaniac so this is great like that's not sex not being raped and he brought up that she said
that she was an info so it was fine but that she um she was in a custody hearing
and she had one coming up and didn't want anything being used against her so that's why she wouldn't cause any
trouble for him what like that's like that doesn't make any sense so Harvey dragged her from the chair in the living
room to the hallway floor and he just left her there while he went to get a drink of water in the kitchen okay when
he came back he found that she was bleeding from one of her nostrils oh wow that's crazy how'd that happen yeah I
bet you didn't hit her you [ __ ] [ __ ] so he said he used an old pillowcase to hold against her nose
until it stopped bleeding oh yeah because he's just a kind thoughtful Soul now once she was cleaned up he stripped
her of her clothing and he said that he said that Judy seemed to be partially enjoying it
that's disgusting yeah yeah um yeah so he raped Judy twice in his apartment stopping occasionally to take more
photographs of her during the whole thing when he was done he made her go to the bathroom and get dressed when she
returned from the bathroom he sat on the couch with her for hours and talk to her yep like she said he
said Judy um like he was asking her what she was going to tell her roommates when
they got home whether or not she was going to go to the police Judy was trying to convince him she wouldn't go
to the police she wouldn't say anything he said they watched TV for like two hours and that's probably when she said
I have a custody battle going so I'm not gonna give you any trouble exactly I'm not going to go to the police I'm not
going to go to the police I don't want to be not like yeah totally go ahead and have your way with me exactly but he's a
piece of [ __ ] now he said he really struggled with himself over what to do next oh I bet but and he said he didn't
want to go to he didn't want to kill her but she knew he knew she would go to the
police and that she knew where he lived now so he was like I would go back to prison I
got a killer yeah so about 10 30 p.m Harvey told Judy he was going to drive her out to the sticks and he said I'll
leave you out there with enough Fair bus fare to get home but if you try anything
along the way I'm gonna kill you and she probably thought that that was true because he just sat with her for hours
exactly she's she's thinking I'm gonna get in the car and this is fine now once he'd gotten her into the car he drove
South for nearly 100 miles oh my God before turning onto a road that led into the desert near Indio that's like two
hours yes he said he told her he wanted to have sex with her once more what he meant was I want to rape you I was going
to say you didn't have sex before he lets her go and he said he told Judy so he took a blanket from the trunk of the
car brought her to a darker spot in the distance in the desert he spread the blanket out on the ground and he said
after he got her settled on the ground he tied the Rope around her ankles then around her neck and used his body weight
to strangle her holding tight to the Rope for about five or ten minutes until he was certain she was dead so he
grotted her yeah yeah that's [ __ ] brutal now Harvey said he sat with Judy's body for a long time as
he processed what he had just done and he said for an instant I wanted to undo what I'd just done I lifted her head up
and called out her name no you didn't no you didn't he carried her body over to a
patch of sand and then he just dug her shallow grave and he dumped her body in there with all her belongings he removed
the ropes and he wiped whatever he had touched clean because he had looked up how to do this [ __ ] he also kept one of
her shoes as a trophy weird and once he'd finished covering her body with sand he went to his car and drove 100
miles home ew now for him to sit there and say like I had this moment where I just called out her name and I wanted to
undo what I did why'd you keep her shoe yeah why'd you keep her shoe no can you tell me why you kept her shoe then right
like if you wouldn't want to remember this and you feel bad about it but you kept pushing that shoe to look back on
okay my guy does he always we haven't covered him yet but we'll get to him he's the foot fetish Slayer mind
Hunter yeah so that night Rudy Judy's roommates obviously began to worry they never heard back from her they gave her
ex-husband to call and they gave him the phone number for Johnny Glenn unfortunately when her ex-husband called
the number it turned out to be the number of a local machine shop so Panic immediately sudden her ex-husband spent
the entire evening wandering up and down the Sunset Strip checking everywhere for
her and when he checked everywhere he could think of he called the police and reported her and how sad is that too
that like obviously they loved each other at one point you know yeah he had some love left for her to be able to go
out and look for her and they're going through this awful time where they're like
aggressively going through this custody battle and I'm sure he's sitting there being like [ __ ] like you know like it
was that worth it yeah that's sad so the missing persons bulletin went out on Judy the next day and it gave a
description of Johnny Glenn and it asked for anyone with information to contact them as soon as they could on August 3rd
the news of The Disappearance made the papers and her roommates talked to reporters and they said that they
believed that she had met with Foul Play they did not believe she had run away no
they said they knew something was wrong with the photographer when he told her quote he wanted to shoot pinup pictures
yet he told her to bring a selection of Street outfits right like that doesn't mean they're all models so they're not
actresses they know and they were like this was weird no one knew who this Johnny Glenn was or
where Judy could be they talked to friends family anybody Associates detectives even briefly
considered her ex-husband obviously but he was at work when she disappeared and like clearly was grief stricken right
they wondered of course if she ran away and thought maybe she was concocting this fake kidnapping story to Garner
Sympathy for the custody hearing but then she missed the hearing the following week yeah she wouldn't so they
abandoned that um so they ran out of people to talk to her any ideas of where she could go they
just assumed she was dead and essentially stopped looking for her what they were like there's more
pressing matters at hand oh not a crazed serial killer on the loose like okay girl just missing somewhere like she
could still be alive yeah and you're just gonna give up on her cool just gave up oh being a woman in this country yeah
five months later she would be found but not identified right away um a ranch hand was walking his dog in
the desert near Thousand Palms and Came Upon her like buried skeleton I was gonna say it you said five months yeah
like she was so skeletal at that point he contacted the sheriff's department and act after some excavation they found
her skeleton she was later identified as Judy doll um in the grave they also found one shoe
a fountain pen a 10 karat gold ring on her left finger I'm surprised you didn't take it I know 10 carats yeah wow and an
autopsy was conducted and uh they really couldn't tell a lot from it because they
were just bones and at that point they're not gonna be able to tell anything especially at this time this is
the safeties right she went unidentified for about a year wow she just laid as bones unidentified bones
[Music] now following that the murder of Judy Dahl Harvey definitely gained confidence
because oh yeah I mean that's the first time he's killed and then yeah completely got away with it so and he
had also landed a full-time job at a TV repair shop in Hollywood that paid like twice minimum wage so he's feeling like
good and unfortunately his personality got in the way of that job because he was fired three months after the job
started we love to hear it but now he's broke he's out of prospects but again he
got away with murder so he's feeling like he can at least do one thing in February of 1958 he headed back to
Denver to visit his mom and no one really knows what happened in Denver but he like didn't get a job he
didn't have any money but he was able to return to Los Angeles pretty quickly after and rent a bungalow just around
the corner from his old apartment with no stable income or job maybe he had saved up money from that place that paid
double yeah or Ophelia just gave him a [ __ ] ton of money yeah but did she even
have a [ __ ] ton to give him I don't even know well maybe his father's life insurance maybe there you go but so he
loses his job he goes to visit his mom he spends sometimes there he comes back he runs a brand new Bungalow and now at
this point he's gotten away with murder and he's still getting away with murder yeah it's been like a long time he's
emboldened now because he's like well [ __ ] they found her and they still don't
even know it's her right and at that point you're nearing a year so by March he'd begun hunting for a new victim he
assumed police were going to be looking for the photographer and models thing so
he was like you know what I gotta change that up so instead he turned to the Patty Sullivan Lonely Hearts Club oh
after paying the 10 admission fee which is big mission fee back then oh yeah Harvey res registered as George Williams
who he said was a plumber from Pasadena no he wasn't um yeah he changed the means of getting the
woman but he was going to keep the rest of it pretty much the same as before um he would arrange the meeting with the
woman see if she met his standards and if so he was going to bring her out to the desert and do exactly what he had
done to Judy doll now the first date he went on was according to him a disappointment
because the woman just talked the entire time and she had a dominating personality that really turned him off
oh he would have hated us I said that I was like all right so like he would have
hated it I talked so much the Harveys of the world [ __ ] their pants said a dominating woman but the second date he
went on he said was what he was looking for and this was with Shirley Ann bridgeford
and it was very different for Harvey Shirley was only 24 years old but she'd done a lot of living she by 1958 at 24
she'd already been married and divorced for three years wow and when she met Harvey she was struggling to get by and
support her two sons and their names were Ricky and Billy oh my gosh so cute now Charlie was just out
here hoping that she paid ten dollars which is a [ __ ] lot for anybody but especially a single mom yeah just
looking for love she was hoping she could find someone that would help her raise her sons yeah she was looking for
a good man a father figure to just be in her son's life that's all she was out here looking for like what the [ __ ]
that's so sad Shirley hadn't apparently according to Harvey surely Shirley had said she hadn't received much attention
from men at the Lonely Hearts Club she's beautiful so so probably not either men
are fake as [ __ ] out here or I mean I would put money or Harvey's lying which either one I'd put money on both those
bets so she was very excited on March 7th she got a call from George Williams asking if she would be interested in
joining him for square dancing that evening so she agreed and she was all excited he
was going to pick her up at 7 45 PM but she had never met him or seen him so she
had her children her mother and two sisters be at her house when he came to pick her up okay so he saw her entire
family and still didn't and still did terrible and they all said there didn't seem to
be anything really like stranger off about him I mean he's not he's ugly as [ __ ] but it's like he's not somebody you
would look at and be like I bet he's a demon like it's just not and he's ugly as [ __ ] because we hate him exactly he's
like a pretty normal look but when you look at him and like you know by those standards it's like whatever you
wouldn't you wouldn't bat an eye at like no who he is no now the thing is no one
seemed to remember the description of Johnny Glenn that had been up months earlier because the police had just
given up on it right they hadn't been pumping it out to people so everyone forgot about it this is in Johnny Glenn
this is George exactly and he was essentially able to go under the radar because he's got that face he's got
those [ __ ] hormone glasses those huge ears like everything just described to a
t who he is Johnny Glenn but because the police stopped putting that out there people forgot and I mean back then where
people like obviously people were using fake names a ton back then but who knew you would never think it so they went
out they set off and Harvey asked Shirley if she would mind if they changed plans for the evening if a man
says do you mind if we change plans for the evening say yes yep I do I do mind take me home please yep the end
and then punch him in the face take me square dancing or take me nowhere square dancing or bust that's it but it seems
to be that when a change of plans comes in it's like ah no if you don't know that man say no no no no no no plans
yeah we had plans so he said he wanted to take a drive along the coast instead of square
dancing no which of course that's going to be so appealing to her she's looking for romance she's just looking forward
and he knows that piece of [ __ ] and the two stopped at a cafe in Oceanside they
talked they ate dinner together for him to bring her to a cafe oh yes then they got back in the car and they just kind
of drove around and again we only have his version of the story here unfortunately uh he claims they drove
around aimlessly for a little while and then he was wrestling with whether or not he wanted to go through with this
because he said she wasn't a pinup model like the others so maybe she didn't deserve it
what get so [ __ ] like what kind of standard is that get sofa if you're a pinup model you should be killed but uh
maybe not alone no you know what no yeah we're just gonna go with it okay now eventually he pulled the car off to the
side of a dark Mountain Road he said they spent some time like kissing and talking and then Shirley was like I
don't want to go any further yeah by the way because she has a [ __ ] right to say that 100 and according to Harvey he
kept trying to persuade her to have sex with him because he's a disgusting little rat boy and before then so he's
pushing her pushing her then he takes the gun out and he tells her get in the back seat oh my God she apparently
fought him for a minute but the guns scared her so she ended up crawling into the back seat because what else is she
gonna [ __ ] do yeah and it's not every day you have a gun in your face he crawled back there and he raped Shirley
it's [ __ ] gross after he had raped her he realized there was nothing else he could do he was going to have to kill
her and he said it was for his own safety what because we care about your safety
little shit's name wow just past 10 o'clock Harvey began driving towards San Diego and he told Shirley the same exact
thing that he told all the other women he said he was going to let her go in a remote location he was going to give her
bus fare but then she had to keep her mouth shut so he pulled into Anza barango Desert
State Park in Borrego strings Springs excuse me and he found a dark spot to pull over
he made her get out of the car he got a blanket he got the rope from the trunk they began walking for a dark spot to
put the blanket out now he confessed later to all this and in the confession he said he'd already decided in the car
that he was going to kill Shirley the same way he killed Judy wow um once he found the place he put the
blanket down he made her undress so he could take photos of her he's such a dick after taking photos of Shirley nude
he then went without warning what wrapped the Rope around her ankles and he said pulled it so as to bend her
knees put his knee at the small of her back looped the Rope twice around her neck and pulled as hard as he could for
five minutes or so until there did not seem to be any sign of life that is a slow death
it's horrific he's a horrific human being it was almost done by the time he stopped taking pictures of her what by
the way [ __ ] of her dead body he is on another level yeah he then dragged her off and under a nearby Cactus because he
later told police he felt she should be under something oh shut the cactus shut the [ __ ] up you piece of garbage
sitting there being like I feel like she should be covered with I feel like she should be alive and with her kids you
piece of [ __ ] exactly that's what I feel like and under a cactus like that's gonna provide some kind of an [ __ ]
any any comfort and then as he's sitting here being like I believe you give me under something because I care oh really
why did you take her underwear and strips of cloth from the bottom of her dress as souvenirs [ __ ] film you
contradicting [ __ ] yeah like get out of here so then he gathered everything of hers including her purse
and he went to his car he drove home and as he drove home he threw the contents of her purse out the window as he drove
wow along the highway oh but he kept 30 cents well it's from reverse okay of course Shirley's family panicked yeah
when she didn't come home they called the police to report her missing and unfortunately because he had called
himself George Williams and given a fake address and phone number and this is the
50s they could not find him and how sad is that that they looked him in the face
with him in the [ __ ] face when he met him I'll have her home by this time hours look at her kids and said bye this
man looked at her kids and took their mother out of that [ __ ] house to do that to her like wow like you are on
another level not many cases where that happened where they looked those kids in
the face only to take their money and her mother and sisters you said her mother like wow looked her mother her
sister and her kids in the [ __ ] face and then took her out of that multiple Generations connected to this woman and
was like I'm gonna destroy your life tonight that's so funny honestly that probably added to it for him truly it
probably did he's such a I hate that he's one of those I hate those ones that sit there later and I'm like
yeah I wrestled with it I you know I just I grabbed her face and I yelled her and I wanted her to get up I put her
under something because they wanted her to be covered shut the [ __ ] up no it's
like you wouldn't have killed them shut the [ __ ] up like no one wants to hear you cry about it now [ __ ] off exactly
like the same ones that will sit there in a courtroom and look at the family and be like I'm so sorry get [ __ ] no
one cares you're not you're sorry if you were sorry you wouldn't have done it I'm
sorry I didn't buy those pair of shoes that now I can't find anywhere that's what you can be sorry about exactly
you're not sorry that you [ __ ] took someone's mother daughter and sister and friend away from them after looking them
in the [ __ ] face in the most horrific and degrading way no two you raped you took the photos of her you like you're
disgust you for five minutes you choked the life out of these women you're disgusting absolutely and that's the
other thing it's like you you sit there and you're like you know I didn't want to do it I wrestled with it [ __ ] off you
sat there for five to ten minutes holding on to that rope yeah for that entire time you had all ample time to
stop yeah like all the time in the world that's so [ __ ] and it's like this isn't like 2023 it's like these women if
they say they're not gonna [ __ ] tell anybody about your face they're probably not going to there's no internet there's
nothing what are they gonna do and they don't know your name exactly you gave a fake name she didn't even know where you
lived exactly like forget what I look like they will forget what you look like you're such a piece of [ __ ] it makes me
really angry so detective Dave ostra who'd been assigned to the Judy doll kidnapping
actually thought the the descriptions that the family had they were kind of vague of what he looked like because
obviously they weren't thinking they had to take every bit of his face into account when they saw him he thought
they kind of did match Johnny Glenn but that's kind of all they had so he was like this might be the same guy or they
don't know who this guy is like that's the problem so the case went cold pretty quickly
Now by April of 1958 he was still unemployed he's living off of Ophelia sending him money on a regular basis
it's funny that he's living off of a woman and acting this way towards women yes but I'm glad that one is keeping you
afloat you [ __ ] loser yeah like real cool now as part of his plan to stay out of
jail and undetective undetected he had actually built a small dark room in his apartment and he would develop the
photos that he takes of these victims including Judy doll and Shirley bridgeford both before during and after
their deaths that's so messed up and he kept the photos in a medium-sized metal toolbox
and the and in that toolbox he also had Judy's shoe Shirley's underwear anything
he took from them so he's really remorseful yeah he really wrestles with this yeah definitely Now
by July of that year he felt like enough time had passed the heat was off gnome was on him like no one was even close to
talking to him about it so he's like I can hunt again because the police gave up again so why not
like come on LAPD but this time he figured he would go back to his other method of doing the
photo shoot thing so he went through local papers and he came across an advertisement for a model
by the name of Angela Rojas who was available immediately for modeling work so he called the number and he found out
that Angela was a pseudonym used by Ruth Mercado she was a 24 year old model who
just arrived in Los Angeles from Plattsburgh New York five years earlier she was a badass she had served in the
women's air force during the Korean War and was honorably discharged and after she was discharged she went straight to
Hollywood for dreams of like stardom good for her she had done the badass thing and now she's like I'm in all my
dreams yeah why not let's do it unfortunately when things weren't really working out for her and she was not
being discovered she turned to modeling as a way of making money while still staying kind of a little bit in the
entertainment agent industry you know but she was doing the detective magazine kind of thing yeah thing keeping afloat
she was also working to supplement that income at a strip club so she was doing stripping
just to make money together yeah to pay a rent yeah feed her herself when Harvey
called he said his name was Frank and that he was a magazine photographer and he was looking for new Talent so she was
actually very eager to get some work and exposure so she said of course she'd love to meet him
she gave him the address of her apartment and he was going to stop by later that evening
so he did but when Ruth opened the door he was like what's wrong and she was like I'm so
sorry I meant to call you I'm not feeling well oh she said she didn't have his number and he was like frustrated
yeah um Harvey thought she was lying about being sick and he was like I know exactly what it is he was like she saw
me and and saw what I looked like and decided not to let me in that was his oh it's about you I forgot that the world
revolves around Harvey yep he said it's fine we'll take a rain check and he left
oh but he said he had the gun in his pocket and he almost pulled it out but he didn't like what so he said he went
home and the more he thought about it the angrier he got and the more incel his Vibe became and the more it was now
her fault how dare her how dare you have a cold he said he started thinking about
oh she's not even really an actress our model she's a [ __ ] stripper and she thinks she's above me like he started
pulling that like Sally yeah exactly and so he's below him because she's a stripper it's like how dare she turned
him down literally not even like nothing is below you so he decided to just show
up at her apartment unannounced oh my God and on July 23rd which was a Wednesday he just showed up unannounced
and she was like shocked it was like what the [ __ ] but she was like I am feeling better so yeah let's do a photo
shoot yeah she was like I'm not like I was sick I didn't think I really love you or above you I'm just literally sick
yeah so she left Harvey in her living room to put her dog in the bathroom so that the dog wouldn't flip out oh no and
when she returned to the living room she found Harvey with a gun in his hand and
he directed her to her bedroom oh my God then he bound and gagged her to her bed
or on her bed and then he went back out into the main section of the apartment he said he made sure all the doors were
locked so that he wouldn't be interrupted made sure the dog was still in the bathroom and she's been panicking
this whole time yep and then he went back in the bedroom and he told her he wanted to have sex with her which I love
that like that's the how he's saying I want to have sex with you you want to rape her yeah let's be clear not my guys
you're not having sex with her sexual so just say it say what you want to do and
he said he was going to untie her but he warned her not to do anything foolish or
he would hurt her so Harvey this is awful Harvey raped Ruth for a minimum of four or five times
over the course of the next few hours four or five times oh my God in hours in hours and when he was done he said again
he was wrestling with what to do totally just I don't know I don't know if I'm gonna do it and he later said quote I
didn't want to kill her she was the one that I really liked but that's [ __ ] because like he
clearly didn't and it's like you're sitting here saying you're constantly like oh my gosh what do I do what do I
do but every single time you end up killing somebody so you clearly aren't struggling with it now you're not
struggling because 10 out of 10 times you've you've come to that ultimate conclusion so yeah no no no no but he
told her he wanted to quote take her on a picnic then he loaded her into his black Dodge
just after midnight and begin to Drive Southeast from Los Angeles towards the desert in San Diego
they spent nearly like they spent the entire day in the desert he was just raping her and taking photographs of her
for like hours he later would say that this was them making love that's so foul yeah that is like Beyond
foul is the perfect way to describe that yeah what the [ __ ] is wrong with you bro
and it wasn't until 9 00 PM that he went to the car got the ropes directed her to
walk until they found a spot she spent like almost 48 Hours being tortured by him
and he removed her clothing and took more photographs then he killed her using the exact same method that he had
used on Judy doll and Shirley bridgeford and when and that's the other thing if you're slowly garotting someone to death
then you're not wrestling with them you're not struggling with the act of murder it would if you shot her I would
that's maybe maybe I would think that you wrestled for a second but you have so much time to change and it's so
personal so personal so agonizing so horrific and you're taking pictures of the entire thing before doing and after
it's like no no you're not struggling with [ __ ] this is what you like to do this is what you get off doing exactly
be [ __ ] honest about it if you're that gross don't be a dick what the [ __ ] so after he was convinced that she had
died he rolled her body off the blanket and covered her with some brush he basically didn't try to hide her like he
just right now in the open he went back to the car he looked through her purse he stole her watch and a few dollars she
had and then he drove back to Los Angeles and threw out all the rest of the stuff as he did in the highway wow
now her landlord was actually the first person to notice that she had gone missing because he saw the male piling
up on her door so he actually wrote a letter to her mother thinking like maybe she had gone
back to New York and when he wrote the letter to her mother her mother contacted the LAPD to do the report of
her being missing not so sad and just like Judy and Shirley Ruth's missing person case was given complete low
priority they didn't care they had no information so they were like ah she probably ran off and didn't tell anybody
yeah because people just do that all the time it's like I don't think so my guys
and in fact two months paths passed before her photo appeared in the LAPD police football bulletin that's a
[ __ ] shame and a half and on on that photo were the notes May seek employment at nude modeling or as a stripper and
mental condition poor what about her mental condition was poor wow LAPD like there's nothing to say
that her mental condition is yeah what so it is very fortunate that the next victim
actually is the one that cracks this case because the police sure as [ __ ] weren't gonna do it so let's hear it for
Lorraine vigil who we're gonna talk about in part two oh I had a feeling you were gonna do
that because her she's her story is wild and honestly I think we all need a little yeah everybody go watch Bravo
right now yeah take a shower wash that all off you know like watch something spooky spooky always makes me feel good
yeah paint your nails paint your nails call a friend you know have some tea I'm watching summer house tonight oh there
you go house premieres tonight oh I'm excited there you go Danielle and Lindsay aren't friends what what
happened you know I always knew I honestly I always knew you probably did like I believe you I literally I
literally literally I did so guys we hope that you keep listening yeah and we hope you keep it weird but not as weird
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From the summer of 1957 to the summer of ’58, the City of Los Angeles was terrorized by truly heinous beast who was murdering women and dumping their bodies in the LA desert. The killer, thirty-year-old Harvey Glatman known as The Glamour Girl Slayer had a dark past and a seriously terrifying modus operandi. If allowed to, he would have likely continued his reign of horror forever. Luckily, one woman put an end to it.

REFERENCES:

Newton, Michael. 1998. Rope: The Twister Life and Crimes of Harvey Glatman. New York, New York: Pocket Books.

People v. Glatman. 1959. 52 Cal. 2d 283 (Supreme Court of California, June 5).

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Brief Summary

This episode details Harvey Glatman's murders of Judy Doll, Shirley Bridgeford, and Ruth Mercado, highlighting systemic police failures.

Key points

UFO Anxiety. The hosts discuss their fears about UFOs and the current state of the world.
Harvey Glatman Introduction. Introducing the chilling case of Harvey Glatman, known as the glamor girl Slayer.
Harvey's Troubling Behavior. At just four years old, Harvey exhibited alarming behaviors, raising concerns about his well-being.
Escalation of Crimes. By age 12, Harvey began breaking into homes, signaling the start of his criminal career.
Assault on Noreen Laurel. Harvey kidnapped and assaulted Noreen Laurel, showcasing his escalating violence against women.
The Phantom Bandit. Harvey earned the nickname 'The Phantom Bandit' as he terrorized the Albany community.

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I woke up this morning and I said huh I feel good.

A positive shift in mood amidst chaos.

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