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Daniel son Daniel LaRusso. That's going to be your new name from now. Daniel son.
Banzai. Banzai Daniel son. Banzai Mr. Miyagi. All right. So, a couple things. One, was it let's just
get the Maura Murray update out of the way because there's not much out there right
now. This is interesting cuz it's going to be an update for me as well. I'm unaware of the things you are about to
say. Yeah, so basically Fred Murray came out which it's like the anniversary of her going missing. I believe it's
15 years since she's been missing. Mhm, that sounds in the neighborhood. And so he
says that they I know that they were using cadaver dogs and scent dogs and doing some
researching of the crash site area. Mhm. And what he claims is that there was some cadaver dog hits
on a house that they Now he claims that they never been able to search before. Mhm.
Now there's you know, I would talk to people behind the scenes and they're saying, "No, this house that Fred is
talking about has been searched before. Has actually had some digging done." But again, it's like do
do my sources know what they're talking about? Right. Because all Fred has said is this
property that's And again, it's one of those things where it's like some reports say it's by Butch
Atwood's house Mhm. or it is across the street from Butch Atwood's house. Again, a lot of this stuff
what we do know about the scent dogs is that she walked further down or somehow that scent goes further down because
they have Or at least the dogs followed it. Followed what we believe to be her trail
for a brief period of time down the road a little bit and then they just like stop. Right. And so what's interesting
here is, you know, I was talking to a private investigator friend of mine and he was saying, "Well, is is it possible
that a neighbor was coming home and and accidentally hit her with a car?" Mhm. And then that's where the scent stops.
But again, we have no evidence no blood evi- evidence of that. So, but it's interesting because Fred doesn't
he doesn't make a bunch of announcements. So, the fact that he he has turned this over to law
enforcement, law enforcement have said, this is where it gets interesting. Law enforcement have said that that property
has been checked before. So, that makes me feel like the sources I talked to were correct. Okay. But
are they going to are they going to go out and do some more searching? I think so and mainly because
the property owners have been very cooperative. They they did not own the property at the time of Margo and
missing. So, I think we're going to hear more about this update as time goes on. Yeah, that should be
should be some interesting stuff. If it is concrete, you wonder how willing It sounds like the the new homeowners are
fairly cooperative. But you wonder how willing they would be to, you know, letting someone dig or,
you know, bring in some bring in tools to crack that concrete. Yeah, cuz the rumor is that the hits
took place in the crawl space, but in the crawl space there was a section that somebody
concreted over that section, which is normally just dirt or rocks. Mhm. But that section that the cadaver
dogs are hitting on was a concrete slab that obviously was poured by somebody. One thing I want to
point out uh Yeah, but the but Go ahead. You know, but I was going to say they don't necessarily have to do
digging in that area. They can There's other technology like we've seen in like the Springfield missing three.
Mhm. Um where you can do like a x-ray Mhm. to see if there's any anomalies in that
concrete. So, they could do that before they even broke up that concrete. Right. Right Oh,
yeah. Yeah, to see if there's anything at all worth cracking or digging for. Um regarding dogs, regarding uh all of our
wonderful search and rescue, cadaver dogs, law enforcement dogs, officers, I guess you should call them. Um
The one thing that I found interesting, and I always kind of had this this thought, but I had it confirmed a while
back and and we've never really gone into this too much and and I don't want to I don't want to speak to
it too at at too much length because I'm not an expert on this. Uh-huh. Um but I
was I was listening to a um someone talk about an old crime, and I can't remember the details of the crime.
That's not important for this this little bit of information here, but what is important for everybody, armchair
detectives, you know, listening to the details of different cases and reading them, when
dogs are discussed, I learn that back in the day, and I don't know if this still applies today,
but I'm assuming that it does. That back in the day that when when they often say, "Hey, you know, they brought
in dogs to search for a scent or or cadaver dog for this or that." Right. Um that back in the day that that the
training for these dogs is so extensive and expensive, Right. that a lot of times when you have
a dog that is specifically trained for one thing, like there are there are dogs that are experts at finding blood,
experts at finding a cadaver, experts at finding a live missing person. Yeah, weed. Yep. Drug dog.
Um Well, and drug dogs are just not drug dogs. They they normally have specialties. Well, yeah, but but what's
what we often don't discuss is that these dogs that have their expertise in a specific area, that are trained in a
specific area, they are like a million times better than probably what the dogs that we often discuss on our show and
what's often discussed in the news, Right. where you because it is so expensive to
train these dogs, a lot of times a police force will have one or two canine officers, and they are they're kind of
just trained a little bit in every area. So, they're not like an expert. Right. You know what I mean? So, I I guess the
way to really break that down would be, you know, if you think about sports or something, you know, you might have a
football player who could play football at any position, but having a guy that's
played quarterback for 10 years is a much different different character than just this other this other guy that this
other athlete. Right. So, I always wondered that, too, because, you know, when we when we do
our stories and the research for our cases, so many times dogs are discussed, but
you're kind of at the mercy of of whoever's delivering the news or delivering that information. Is that dog
actually specifically trained in that one area or is he just or is that dog just brought in because it's convenient?
Well, we also see when you bring in forensic specialist to cases that they are paid by the prosecution or
they're paid by the the defense Right. to come up with the theory. And my my problem with that has always been you're
getting paid. You're a paid expert. And so we've seen in several cases now these um
mainly cadaver dog experts that come in that is not through law enforcement. It's um
contractor will come in. Right. And we've seen some ridiculous claims for one like we have
the one where the cadaver dogs hit on the the pier um where they think possibly Scott
Peterson uh took the body out. Mhm. Well, the body wasn't on the pier. The body would have been in a boat that
would have went down the pier and went off. But the chances of and it was like a month and a half later
with all those winds and all those people most dog experts said for them to get that hit, that's next to impossible.
Right. And we've seen in a lot of cases where the dog trainer is actually telling the
dog this is a hit. Yeah. And so I I don't know. I think you got to be careful with some of this stuff. Yeah.
You know, and and do you go down to a basement and go into a crawl space and see a area that is concreted over and
are you telling your dog to hey, hit on that? You know, to get somebody's hopes up or
to get the dollar amount. But now But what what is weird? Let me throw this out there. This is just my life
experience. Well, I'm just going to say real quick what I think happened with these dog
owners and these dog handlers. I don't think they're paid. I think these people were volunteering their
time. Right. A lot of times they are volunteers that are that are brought in. Um and kudos to everybody out there.
There There are a lot of unknown helpers and heroes uh in a lot of these cases that volunteer their time to help search
for a person or search for evidence. Yeah. Be it uh a dog handler or um I used to know someone uh somebody
that uh an acquaintance of mine who was a horseback you know, mounted searcher. Uh and she would donate a lot of her
time. Like she was on some kind of call list if somebody went missing or if they
needed help with something in a specific area. And this was like multiple counties and stuff. Like she I she told
me once that it wouldn't be uncommon for her to get a call and she would drive to
Indiana or Kentucky and spend the weekend uh get donating her time and efforts and and her animal's efforts to
the horse as well. think if she makes a difference in one case, that's all you'd need to really
keep going. Yeah. You know, that's what I always think. If we can make one difference in and just
like we've talked about before with the Delphi murders, when somebody comes and tells me, "Hey,
you're one of the first podcasts to cover this." Mhm. But because of the coverage, not just our coverage, but
other people's coverage, you know, they made over 200 arrests. Right. For of pedophiles, unregistered sex
offenders. And that's because of the community, that's because of the true crime community. So,
if we're doing anything good, you know, that's cuz you wonder that sometimes. Are we we
spitting out this bad negative information or are we doing anything good? Are we
helping in any way? And And so when you do get comments from people or or victim's
family members reaching out saying, "Hey, thank you." It makes you go, "Oh, yeah, maybe maybe we are doing some good
as well." Well, back to your update real quick. Um just so I understand the crawl space
there's there's poured concrete in just a small portion of the crawl space. Yeah, and this is all I mean this is
just from information coming in from me from several sources. I probably was emailed this
direct message, text message, all that stuff. Um I didn't take notes. I I haven't been
able to confirm most of the stuff, but these people that are sending this to me are friends or or
what I can see are considered peers or whatever and they're not going to send me nonsense.
Right. Well and and I don't know So I'm I'm just saying if we have something wrong know that I haven't dove
into this super hard yet and it's and it's new. But I want to say that it's out there
that Fred Murray is saying we got a hit on property and that he wants law enforcement to search. And I believe
even if he doesn't get law enforcement to search that he probably can convince these homeowners to do something. And
again with you know like Maggie uh from the disappearance of Maura Murray and like Tim and Lance and
and so many of others have been able to uh John Smith, so many others which they don't agree and they bicker
like old married couple, but they've been able to get stuff done to get searches happen and test
past, yeah. And then test run on things as well. So I wish people would go, "Hey, we have a
difference of opinions, but we're working for the same goal." And and be a little more mature about
things, but that doesn't always happen. Well, and I don't know in what year that home was built. I
mean, we we technically don't even know which property it is. Um but Right. you know, for my
understanding and my experience anyway, usually a crawl space is all one material. You know, I've seen concrete
ones, I've seen gravel, I've seen dirt. Mhm. Um you know, I don't think I've ever seen where you
have a mixture, you know, gravel all over the other places in the crawl space, but this one space is poured
concrete. Right. You know, or And it could be something as simple as the homeowner wanted to concrete the top
of one section and use that more for storage. It could There could be a simple explanation. They could have had to fill
something in that's not necessarily something evil, you know, it could could be Oh, I mean, there but there's also
been people because in some states it's illegal to bury your pets. Right. there are some people that have used
their crawl space to bury animals. Okay. And then would they cover that up with something?
Maybe. Is it illegal in Ohio to bury your pet? Um I'm not really for sure. I've never had to bury a pet.
I it God forbid, but pets die, but one of my dogs is getting up there in years, and um
w- when she does go, I think uh I think I'll probably bury her on my property. Whether it's a l- allowed or not, like
I'll be be out there with a shovel and a flashlight. up some tarps and they won't know what
you're doing. Put up a tent and then dig the hole through while you're in the tent. An old friend of mine uh who I
haven't seen in 10 years or so had uh little tombstones on their uh in their deep in their backyard. Like
they had a huge property and it was like deep in the backyard and the first time
I saw them I thought, "Oh my god, what's going on here?" Cuz you just see this little tombstone sticking up and it one
I think said Pittsburgh and the other one said I can't remember the other one. Heim maybe, but then my first thought
was like, "What's buried in these?" Some girl he met in Pittsburgh. Can you show me pictures of these dogs
so that I know that they actually existed? Did there So that that's that's the update that like I said, and the
tough thing though too is we get so many It's nice that people are sharing this information, but
sometimes it takes me an extra hour to reply to the people that say thanks for sharing.
You know, but I got it. The but the worst is when I post about it And then you're getting
And then I'm getting, "Hey, did you see this?" Yeah, and you go No, no, no, no. Yeah, I just posted about that.
No, that's The worst is this. Um and this makes it sound like we don't like the emails. We do like the emails,
but but some of them are just kind of silly. Um when you get an update in a case like
and it's always like starts off, "Hey guys, did you see this?" And it will be like an update that
happened like 6 months ago. You're like, "Yeah, I saw that when it when it was actual news." Yeah, or it's a update
that we actually reported in the show. Yeah, have you seen this? Yes, we did a whole episode on that.
They go, "Yeah, I know, but have you seen the update?" No, no, no, no, we put that update in
our episode. You I don't know if you were listening or not. Well, clearly not. So that's that's the big one, but you
know, I really you know, this year for 2019 to me it was like I want this show to be
something. I mean, I know that it's a show about nothing. That's the main point, but
but we kind of talked about Well, and also it's for me because we get these updates.
Okay, I think those updates were happening on Saturday. Uh I had a friend of a friend pass away.
Uh but somebody knew from high school. So, that that was sad. So, you deal with that plus you're dealing with this My
Favorite Murder life in general. Mhm. And then trying to get working on the next week's case, you know, that we're
going to be recording today. And then also everybody has pet cases that they work on.
And then and as I'm getting those updates, so I got a bunch of those updates about
Maura Murray. has a lot of pet cases that he works on. Right. And then there's an
the other update that I got a bunch, which isn't really update. Um there's a four-part docu-series
coming out I believe on HBO for Adnan Syed where they follow Rabia. Okay. So, I think that's going to be really
interesting and just based off the trailers, it's like the case is going into a new direction
or the case is going to have a new chapter. And then anybody that followed Serial,
it's like if if I said to you Serial is going to have four new parts and four new pieces of evidence that you're going
to that's going to cause a lot of speculation and you'd go, "Oh, crap. When can I tune in?" Mhm. So, so at the
same time everybody's going, "Check out this Maura Murray thing." which I love that case.
Check out this Adnan Syed thing that's coming out soon and you go, "Oh, this is going to this is going to be good."
Um I've been working on this JonBenét Ramsey stuff for a long time. And the last 2 weeks um
I got sent a ton of updates. Over 100. Have you seen this thing about how how what do we want to call him? Gary H.
Um Oliva? Oliva. Well, I don't think we're saying that right. I see this his last
name and I want to go Olivier. That's what I want to say, but nobody else says it that way.
It's like Olivia. Oliva. Oliv- I think that's close. Oliva. How about that? It's o l i v a, right? In case anybody
wants to look it up. But it's like if you hear like the different announcers say it, it's like
different every time. Right. So, I'm going to call him Gary most of the time. But Gary is a So, who is this guy? I got
sent hundreds of updates. And this is in regards to JonBenét Ramsey case. Yeah, so he he's age 55. He's a male, white.
He's 5'9, 180 lb. Brown hair, hazel eyes. Now, he was arrested on child pornography charges.
Now, when he was arrested What what year? Recently? Yes, recently. Okay. I believe in 2016.
Okay. So, some of this stuff is fact and some of this stuff is rumors. Well, there's probably a lot of
speculation coming out about this this guy and if if he fits into the JonBenét case. So, we'll start with his recent
arrest. In 2016. So, what he was doing was he was uploading child pornography girls under the age of 10 to email
account. And I believe it was Google or somebody that basically once they they can intercept that stuff. Mhm.
And when as they intercept it, they go, "Okay, well, we we need to we need to arrest this guy." Right.
So, they uh they end up arresting him. They also believe that one of the girls in the photos were was of the age
between 4 and 7 years old. So, JonBenét was 6 years old when she was killed. Yeah, and so, but what's
interesting here is we go, "Okay, well, he's he's arrested. He's up for parole in July of 2020."
Okay. Now, when he was arrested, they found I want to find the number. I believe I
wrote down I did take a couple notes. At the time of his arrest, they found 335 photos of JonBenét.
And a lot of the pictures that they found were of the autopsies, and those pictures were
autopsy pictures were released to the media years and years ago. So, how he printed those off or it doesn't
really tell you. Did he print these off on paper and cut them out? Did he print them off on photo paper? Did he have
them developed somewhere? It's not very clear. Right. But, it's just of the time
of the arrest, he had 335 photos of JonBenét Ramsey. So, you have this situation where you go,
well, and and this is Boulder, Colorado. Where was she murdered? Boulder, right?
Right. So, then you go, "Well, who is this Gary guy?" Well, Gary was kind of like
the local What do they call that guy? Uh the local drifter. Didn't really have a home.
He was technically not homeless, but you never knew where he really went. Mhm. He was
just this guy around town. And he was in the area during the time, lived in the area
during the time that um drifted in the area during the time of 1996. Well, not only drifted,
but he's a registered sex offender. Okay. So, he has to have a address. Now, this is
part of the rumor. I can't I can't find this to be fact. Uh so, part of the rumor is that he had
a address in Boulder, and it was 10 blocks away from the Ramsey's household. So, that's just something to keep in
mind. So, where where it gets interesting is that he's been writing one of his high
school friends named let me interrupt you real quick before you go into this cuz it could get
lengthy. Mhm. Um and I know that you you might have to guess for your answer, but
with his registered address, right? We can't confirm he actually lived there, but he has to have a registered address.
Right, the the rumor is that that was the address he used. Okay. To for the registry, that does not mean he actually
lived there. Right. Is there any speculation that that Is there any speculation that that was like whose
house was that? Would be my first question. I don't know. I haven't heard any rumors of whose house that was
because you can't use a fake address, and you can't just use like can see if it's a physical address or
not. Right, Gary couldn't use his mother's address if she didn't want him to. Right, you have to get someone to agree
to that. So, that's where my first question comes because let's say if a Well, the rumor is it was a legit
address. If it was 10 blocks, that's not like a cheap neighborhood, and this guy's
described as a drifter. I don't usually Mhm. think of drifters as holding a lot of money. Right. So,
be curious to see if that's like his parents' house or you know, some kind of relative or a friend, but yeah, you're
right. He has to have some legit physical address. Okay, sorry. I didn't mean to hijack anything. Just a
question. So, he has been in contact since since really the '90s with one of his
friends from high school or acquaintance from high school named Michael Vail. And
Michael Vail is a music publicist. Okay. And so, he gets arrested and he starts writing letters recently
um mostly postcards, but writing to Michael Vail again. Now, my understanding, my limited understanding
of this information is this. Michael Vail and Gary Oliva are very different walks of life, right? I
mean, they're acquaintances. Yeah. is is rough because Cuz immediately, some people are
probably like, "Oh, this Vail guy is a real dirtbag, right?" Right, cuz he's friends with this guy.
But but it we don't know the nature of that friendship and it actually sounds like
it's it they live in different worlds almost. Huge different worlds and on top of
that, Michael Vail is respected in his field of being a music publicist and just in the field of being a publicist
in general. So, we'll get more into why he's still has contact with this guy that we know is a
dirtbag. So, during these postcards, now here's another I'm going to say rumor and not fact, is
some people believe that there's at least three. And as far as law enforcement goes, they
have had they've at least mentioned that there's three. So, that would be fact, but maybe three to five letters that
Michael Vail received where Gary is confessing to being present when JonBenét died.
Now, what I mean by that is he's everybody's going, "Well, he's confessing that he
murdered her." No, what he's confessing is that he was taking her away and that she hit her head and then she
died. Mhm. So, the death itself was accidental. So, now we've heard this before. Now, what
is interesting though is the the ran- ransom note. When the ransom note was left,
you start instantly going, "Well, of course it's probably somebody in the family
cuz this ransom note doesn't make any sense. Who writes a ransom note inner circle. Right. Who writes a ransom
note and then doesn't take the kid with them? Doesn't make any sense. Right. Right?
You write a ransom note, you take the kid with you. Mhm. But they But somebody wrote a ransom note and then the then a
dead girl's found in the house. Mhm. Well, based off what he's saying, then it makes sense. You write a ransom note
as you're leaving, and this is what he stated is as they're leaving, she hit her head and then she died. Now,
there's two different stories. Uh if you look into the autopsy, at first it was definitely she died from
strangulation. Now, it seems like the the head the head injury was more violent than we would think and that
there's there's kind of some speculation that she didn't die from actual strangulation. She died from that blunt
force trauma. And but what we do what we do know is that she had a garrote tied around her. Right.
So, so anyways, Michael Veale gets these notes, doesn't hide the notes, goes to law enforcement right away,
gets more stuff sent to him, Mhm. and gives all that stuff, turns it over to law enforcement. Now, law enforcement,
here's again, here's another rumor. Everybody keeps saying that law enforcement has dismissed this, saying
we've already looked into Gary, and we don't believe there's anything there. That's really not the statement.
Okay. The statement more from law enforcement is, we will look more into this. So,
so let's go backwards though, because you go, okay, well, we got this pedophile.
He's arrested two years ago. The stuff that he is uploading and he got arrested for,
you would say fits in what I'd say the profile of somebody that would be capable of
murdering this young girl. Or ab- Or abduction. Abducting, we should say, I guess. If If
we are to believe his story that it was an accidental death. Right. So, Okay, so here's where it gets
interesting. So, like we said, he used an address that was 10 blocks from the Ramsey's
household, and that was back in 1996. So, why is Gary calling Michael Vail? Or writing to Michael Vail. Mhm. Well,
on December 26th, 19- 96, the day that JonBenét was killed, Gary called Vail and was crying and said
that he hurt a little girl. And he said this over and over, no details. He didn't say murder, he said he hurt a
girl. So, at the time, Michael Vail thought, well, this guy's kind of crazy, I need to
I need to look into this. So, he starts searching and finds out that there was a girl
murdered that day. Mhm. So, he contacts law enforcement. Leaves a couple messages for the
detectives. Well, once the story blows up and it becomes overnight TV sensation.
Now, when he's calling it's going right to a hotline where all you can do is leave a message.
He leaves messages for a week, possibly 2 weeks. Never gets a call back. Right. But he thought, "Hey, at that point,
I've done I've done what I need to do." And and also Gary's not in contact with him anymore
after that. So, that's on December 26th. So, 2000 4 years later. Now, there's rumors that Gary was a
suspect in 1996, but in 2000 Gary is arrested on on related charges, drug charges.
And when they find him because he is a drifter, he has this book bag. And in the book bag they find a picture
of JonBenét Ramsey and a stun gun. Now, they take his DNA and then they said the DNA didn't match.
Well, Gary says when it doesn't match, "Hey, I think you guys are putting too much emphasis on this DNA."
Mhm. Now, at first we knew there was DNA in 1996, we knew there was DNA. But the more testing they did, they
found two spots of DNA from two different males. Mhm. And that's why for a while people thought
law enforcement believed that it was done by more than one person. Which even if it was done by Gary and it
was an accident, there could have been another person with him. Right. But the DNA didn't match. So, they said, "Well,
he was a suspect, but he's not now." So, in 2002, Gary ends up talking to CBS News and says that he would like to
build a memorial for JonBenét Ramsey. And that's kind of weird. Also, in 1996, they believe that at the
candlelight vigil, one of the vigils, that that he was there. Now, that doesn't mean he's guilty of
anything. Right, but it it does fit, you know, things that we've seen in the past. You
know, Douglas and and a lot of FBI profilers would tell you, "Hey, if there's going to be some kind of public
memorial that's that's been publicized and you're inviting everyone in the public, let's uh take some pictures of
the crowd and let's write down license plate plates while we're there because our guy might be in that crowd." Right.
So, at first, when people were sending me this, I've heard about his confessions before.
He's confessed before 2018. But now that he's doing it with Michael Vail, well, maybe Michael Vail is going
to be able to get the publicity it needs to be looked into seriously, which I think Michael Vail's doing a great job
of that. Cuz obviously, we're talking about it. Just to be clear, if anybody's out there wondering, this is not the
same guy as John Mark Carr. John Mark Carr is the guy that came out, what, in the what, 2006, 2007, somewhere around
there, and he was like living in another country, and he had a similar story where he was saying, "I can't explain
it, but I was there when she died." Mhm. And they brought him to the United States and they questioned him and then
cleared him. I don't know I don't know that they cleared him, but they they kind of said they don't believe his
story, basically. Well, I Yeah, but I think they actually did clear him. Okay. And but then, it
was all cleared on DNA. And what does Carr say? You guys shouldn't be putting so much
emphasis on this DNA. Well, Oliva was saying that. Or was Carr saying that, too?
Carr said that, too. Both of them said it. Both of them said it, which I find very
interesting. Now, that's not these people together any way? Like, can we do Two two freaks?
Are John and Gary Do they know each other even? I mean, are they friends? You know, these these
Well, because Carr is now in Oregon, I believe. Okay. Or well, all they say is the upper Northwest. Got you. And but
but but what I do know is Gary has charges in Oregon. So Well, and a lot of these pedophiles like
will trade like you know, Well, he could be uploading pictures for him. Right, and that's what I'm
saying. Like, you know, we we always talk about the these child sex rings or whatever. Do they exist? Don't they
exist? They exist, people. They do, but I I don't know that they fit into every you know, case and every story. Yeah,
most of the time they're not getting together and like playing poker. Right. The it's a lot of this stuff is just
communications online or through text messages. But they trade they trade pictures and stuff.
Right, and videos. Yeah, and videos. So, I mean, is there any way to digitally electronically connect these two even if
they were email pen pals or something? Yeah, well, it's tough with the Carr guy, too, because Carr is now
I believe he transitioned into a female. I believe so. I I I don't know that that's 100% right, but I I remember that
being um said even back when he came when they started looking at him. I feel like that was like 10 years ago.
Okay. What are we calling him again? Gary? Gary Oliva Oliva? Oliva. Let's go Oliva.
Okay, so let's just let's do a quick recap. Guy's a little strange. In 1996, possibly lived 10 doors down. He was a
10 doors or 10 blocks? 10 blocks down. He was a drifter in Boulder. Uh he was a pedophile, registered sex
offender. On December 26th, 1996, he called Michael Veal and said, "Hey, I hurt a girl." The day that she was
found, he calls someone. It's not really in the news yet. Doesn't call someone. his friend.
Michael Veal. Yeah, he calls Michael Veal and says, "I've hurt a little girl." Right, but this is the same Here's
what's interesting to me is in 1996, he tells all this stuff to who? Michael Veal.
Doesn't tell it to a bunch of other people. Right. Cuz it's Michael Veal. And then, in 2018, reaches out through
letter and actually confesses to the crime. Okay, so like Okay, so again, 2000 he
Gary's arrested. Photo of JonBenét. I don't think that's a big deal, but the stun gun is kind of
like, what's going on here? The DNA doesn't match, so they basically clear him. 2002, Gary tells CBS he'd like to make a
giant like memorial shrine to JonBenét Ramsey. All right. So, He certainly got enough photos to
start that memorial. Right. Now, here's where I what I can't find more information about.
So, Gary was arrested before all this, I think even before 1996, for trying to strangle his own mother
Okay. with a telephone cord. Gosh. But the telephone cord was knotted up, like somebody put knots in it.
That's not that big of a deal, but I just wanted to put that out. Okay. So, So, this guy
So, he's what we do know about him and can say for certain one with the child porn charges, we know
he is some form of pedophile and two he does have at least one violent offense. Well and based off of the what they
think the age range of the girls in the photos it would put very close to the age of JonBenet
Ramsey. They're all under 10 for sure but it's you know so this guy is a complete sicko but on top of that it's
narrowing down that age frame cuz some some of these guys are into like two year olds, three year olds. You know
he's kind of sticking around the seven year old mark. Okay so in 2002 Gary was convicted of assaulting a seven
year old girl in Oregon. So now we have assaulting and we have that seven year old the
victimology is matching up. And and we'll bring up his letters and and read some of that stuff in a minute.
Do we know the details of that any of the details of that assault? No. Okay. I could not find that anywhere either.
right. I mean again this is all limited time stuff so I find this very interesting
and I think people need to dive into this more so I'm almost asking for help here.
You're also not saying this is the guy. You're you're saying this is some interesting stuff that's coming out and
it could play into the JonBenet case. I mean he's already connecting himself to the victim. Right and so the other
interesting thing this is another rumor but Ram the the Ramsey family hired uh, private
investigator back in 1996. They um, their private investigator came forward at some year. I want to say it
was 2000 when when Gary first became on their radar and was saying that even though law enforcement,
because of the DNA and all that stuff which here's the tricky thing about the DNA, too. The DNA clears
Burke. The DNA clears uh, John. It clears the mother. Yeah, it clears everybody in the house. Right.
Practically, I mean, I I I think it clears the family and people working in the house. Right. And and we know that
the area was tampered with. We know that it was compromised. That's what law enforcement has said. That's not a
rumor. That's fact. They said it was uh, compromised. Compro- 100%. 100% compromised. And a lot of that is
because of the Ramsey house. were showing up because they had a scheduled like get-together at their
house on that day and through the panic of what was going on. yeah, technically they were supposed to
leave on a plane, but then because they didn't leave, it was like, everybody come over to our house.
Right. Okay, so what, 40 40 minutes into the show? Now, now what does this all mean? You know,
I I don't know, but it fits the profile. And what's our good buddy? We have so many of them.
Mindhunter. Oh, John Douglas. John Douglas. The more I think of profiling, the more
that's like a ingenious science. But, wouldn't you say everything I've said so far
he fits the profile? Mhm. Well, it depends on which profile are you talk to regarding this particular case.
Right. And I And I only say that because the majority of profilers that have looked at this case say that it was
someone in the inner circle of that household. They They not going to go so far to say
that it was a a family member. Not all of them have said that. But the majority do. Douglas says that it was
somebody else. That it wasn't somebody on the inner circle. But Right. So, do I want
to believe these clowns or do I want to believe John Douglas? Well, but so then you're referring to
wrestler as a clown and and uh And and several other very well-respected profilers.
Let Let me try to read his note real quick, though. Okay? So, this is the This is the only one
that I know for sure has been leaked. So, this one has been leaked, but I think the other ones
I don't think they go into more detail, but there's but the the letters that have been sent, they're
all a part of a written confession. If that makes any sense. Right. So, and uh so, here's here's what the letter
says. Please uh please don't give up on me. I never loved anyone like I did JonBenét
and yet I let her slip and her head bash in half and I watched her die. It was an accident. Please believe me.
She was not like the other kids. Now, we know that he has charges against him as far as assaulting,
but I also think that this she was not like the other kids plays into there there's more accounts
of um sexual assault and more accounts of possibly even child murder that people need to look into Gary for.
Then he goes on to say, "Please don't hate me. You're the only person I write to.
I am uh I sorry. I'm evil and murder children." Now again, that's not talking about JonBenét.
That's talking about in general. So, we do not have charges against him for killing of kids.
This guy needs to be looked at the the area of Boulder needs to be looked at. You know, missing person cases need to
be looked at. Could he could Gary be responsible for them? I I believe so. Obviously not all of them, but I'm just
saying in that area if we have a missing girl under the age of 10, I'm telling you
Gary's a good suspect for it. And he's up for parole in 2020, so I'm just saying if you get to him now
and he's confessing to a friend, maybe he would confess to a crime that they could actually pin on him.
Okay, so then he goes on to say, "Please don't turn your back on me. Please keep
writing to me. I can consider myself to be very lucky to know you. Gary." Now, if you look at his writing
and you you look at the ransom note, it's it's different. It's just different. But
I would argue that it's not so far different that he couldn't have changed it over
time. So, if that makes any sense. Can you see like the two? Like obviously here he's capitalizing everything.
He has certain little things that he does when he writes, but you know, that could be something that you change over
a time period. It doesn't look too far-fetched. Like even like his eyes His eyes and again
eyes are going to look pretty similar. But um yeah, I don't know. And I saw it's also
a way different pen. Like to me, if I have a fatter pen or a thinner pen or the paper, the texture
I'll write a little different. But I'll believe them when they said his handwriting does not match
the ransom note. Okay, so maybe it doesn't. But maybe served us there with him. A lot of questions. Well, here here's
one thing that I always think of. And I apologize to any of the handwriting analyst out there
Mhm. in advance for what I'm about to say. Cuz he's going to [ __ ] all over your parade.
I don't like I don't like like any of you. Uh handwriting uh analysis used in in court so much to
say that someone is is the guy or girl. Right. Um or woman, I'm sorry. The thing is
it for me handwriting analysis it seems very similar to when they use hairs and fibers. Where you can say they're
similar, we can't rule this person out, but I don't know that you can specifically identify that person as
being the author uh who penned that letter or ransom note. Um Right. ransom letter. And so
I say ransom letter because ransom note, as we know it from crime buffs, they're
short and they're quick to the point. Right, that's that left at Ramsey's was a letter.
Yeah, it was it was a book. It was a damn Right. And so uh you know where Here's the thing. Let's say this guy did
write the ransom letter. Mhm. Let's say Gary did. Not only do you have all this time that
is passed between the the two uh samples that we're looking at to compare handwriting
analysis. Right. But you're also talking about sometimes and for a lot of people handwriting is
can be very mood based. So picture this. It we know that the letter came from a pad of paper that was in the Ramsey
home. Mhm. So did this Gary guy break in earlier while they were gone and he pens
this ransom letter? But you would think he would be in a heightened state of excitement during
that time. And you also mentioned that the pen. That's those two instruments are different when you compare those two
samples that we have. There was a different type of pen used. So was he in a heightened state of
excitement when he wrote the ransom letter and then later when he's writing his friend or someone he wants
to be his friend, Mhm. that's a very controlled situation where he's he's you know he's
sitting down and he's begging this person to be his friend. Don't give up on me. It's a very controlled thing.
It's not like oh I got to scribble this thing as fast as I can because they might come home soon.
So I I think it's too difficult to there's too many variables is what I would say regarding that. Yeah and I
think um Okay so that I'm going to try to put a bow on this, right? So I don't know what this means but when
you're sent this a hundred times and my my initial response was this guy confessed before from what I remember
and I also heard when somebody sent it to me I sent it to my friend and they said oh yeah didn't they dismiss that
guy they cleared that guy based off DNA and I was like okay well that's where Well maybe the DNA is just wrong and
maybe we need to re-examine that of of case but So we got all this stuff. He likes victims in that age. He
obviously has obsession with JonBenét. At some point, they say that he's possibly schizophrenic. Now, that again
is a rumor, and I'm going to say that it is that is a rumor because now we have the guy in
jail, and we don't know if he's being treated for that. I think that would come out during this
while all this other stuff is coming out. Right. You would think that would come
out. And then, if you're in a different mental state, do you write differently? Mhm. Do you
you know another variable. Again, well Right. It's very odd that they get the bonus
money correct of JonBenét Ramsey, but we have this guy in 1996 within 10 blocks or registered to be
within 10 blocks of this girl. We know that he was obsessed with her. We also know that um
uh that he he you know he It's like he assaulted a girl that's seven. So, he he's capable of doing
this. And uh what what else was I I going to say? Um Let's see. He's um Okay, so you have all this stuff that
puts him in the area, and you go, this guy could be the guy. He was at a candlelight vigil. Another rumor was
that during the Christmas tour, which the Ramsey house would have been open to the Christmas tour, these uh uh people
were allowed to go into people's houses and and look through them, and it was part
of this whole Christmas lights and Christmas tour. And there's some rumors that he might
have been at their house at that time. Which I told you last week, they got a odd random 911 call during that whole
thing. And a lot of people believe that that was somebody prepping the house to get inside the house, call 911,
see how fast the response time was. Um, so that's that's something. Anyways. But I just dismissed it to 100 people.
Hey, they they kind of cleared this guy before the DNA doesn't match. Yeah, that's about it. So I but I wanted
to dive into it more. And I thought that's just all I had, but I came across something that was very
interesting from from Michael Vail. So and take take this for whatever you will.
But I found this to be the most interesting stuff. So Gary was known for a long time
and by not just one person, not my Michael Vail, but a lot of people. Many people.
To carry around brushes when he was a art student. Now, what was the garrote made out of?
Paint brush. Paint brush. And here's this guy that was a art student. But the paint brush came from
the Ramsey home. Maybe. Maybe is all I'm saying. I mean, that's what the speculation has been is
that the paint brush they convinced came from the Ramsey home. We have a crime scene that is very contaminated.
So is it possible that they went, well, here's some brushes, this looks close enough, it came from it. No big deal.
But what if it didn't? Now you have this guy that confessed to the crimes, was in
that area, has assaulted people before, blah blah blah blah blah, also carries around brushes.
And and that's known by a lot of people. On top of that he studied knots. And one of the things he Now, that's
again one of those things when you go, "Oh, he studied knots. Okay. No big deal." You know, like some people blow
that up. I go, "A lot of people study knots. That don't mean he shit." Right. But what's interesting is he used to
draw and paint those knots. Oh, that's that's weird. Which is a little strange. So, if you take that, he's carrying
around this art equipment with him. He also carries around a stun gun with him. Mhm.
And um and he would take these drawings and these pictures of the knots and he would put them in these collages
that were done by, you know, you know, student art shows and stuff like that. So, this is like something that was
happening before 1996. And then you have this this murder take place. But, the brush thing I find super
interesting. You know, yeah, I the whole thing's very interesting because it's again, it's
another one of these weird situations where you have so many things that point to
possible circumstantial evidence, let's say, Right. for this guy or against him,
however you want to word that. Um or for his story, to believe him. Um but then you know what's what's really weird
about this? So, let's say Let's say he did do it, okay? Let's go down that path for a little bit.
Mhm. If his DNA isn't found on her and other people's DNA is found on her, can you realize how difficult for the
prosecution that will be in trial? Because now, not only do they have to prove that he killed her,
but then they also have to prove that this is how this other person's DNA got on our victim and we can prove that that
person didn't kill her. Right. You know what I mean? It gets Where Where most prosecutors only have
to prove that one person did it, now you have a situation where a prosecutor would be forced to prove that someone
else didn't do it. Right. And what I wonder is if there is some if we test him and he
is schizophrenic, is there a possibility that he was there with somebody and doesn't remember it
exactly how it happened? Right. And he goes, "Well, I witnessed an accident." Or did you witness a
murder? Was there somebody else with you? So, all that Okay, so all that's interesting. The The The The
paintbrush to me is super interesting. Which somebody told me I should stop saying super interesting.
Really? Well, but Can there be different levels of interesting? I guess not. There's a It's either a coincidence or
it's not a coincidence. There are no different levels of coincidences. Well, the funny thing though, too, is a lot of
people will say that they hate the way I say interesting. I say interesting. No T, right? Okay. That's not how I
pronounce it in real life. I say interesting. Like if I say mountain, I say mountain. Right.
Like I I actually pronounce my T's really hard, but over the Anyways. Yeah, he loves the
T's. But not when not when we're doing the show. I try to make it not so harsh on
the ears. So, it's super interesting. So, here's another little rumor. And I think this is
I I'm not throwing Michael Vail under the bus cuz I think Michael Vail is a really
good guy. And I think he thinks that law enforcement should take this really serious.
And not just that it's a confession, but I think it's also a confession that he hurt other kids.
And if you can get him to Maybe you can't Maybe there's not enough evidence for you to to charge him
in the JonBenét Ramsey case, but maybe you can get him to confess to something else.
And then he's not released from jail. Uh and two years Well, and you're spot on there, man,
because if you I feel like if you are Look, he he seems to be willing to talk to someone.
You know, he's telling Michael Vail this. Right. So, he's willing to talk to someone. Can
you have him in a controlled environment right now. You know where he is. You can
You can access him at any time that you want to up until July of 2020. Right. So, if in fact there is smoke here,
let's let's sit him down and see if there's a fire. Right. Cuz this is the opportunity to do so. A
drifter is not so easy to trace once he gets out and he's roaming about. Right. And this guy has multiple, you
know, assaulting kids, child child pornography charges. Just a bad dude. We don't want him on
the streets. But on top of that, yeah, I I I think I told you that he was arrested for attempting to choke his
mom. Right. So, I I think this information is coming from Michael Vail, but it might be
coming from a different source, but this is again rumor. Mhm. But it was a phone cord that
he tried to choke his mom with. Now, here's what's weird is you got the phone cord that goes from the phone to
the the phone base to the phone handle. Right. And that's normally curly. But there's also the phone line that
goes from the phone to the phone wall, which is normally straight. And that that that is often what is most used
back in the day when people would strangle someone with a telephone Yeah. Right. So, what was interesting is
it's rumored to believe whatever knots were used in the JonBenét Ramsey case were the same knots they used to try to
strangle his mother. I'm going to have to do a little research. That that that has scratched
me where I itch my friend because I would love testicles. I I want I want to know if they were if they were
complicated knots. You know what I mean? Like cuz anybody you know, there's some
knots that anybody can do. And like like I said, this is probably 6 hours of of research which is not really that long
compared to what sometimes we end up spending on our weekly cases. Right. But it I mean that's the
information I got. Hopefully, if you're interested in this case or interested in
to diving to this more that gives you kind of a head start. Uh so cuz it's the one of those things when you're reading
through that stuff about him uh carrying around paint brushes and things like that. It's you don't find that in most
of the articles. Like you might read five or six and they never even talk about it. So but once you have and I
this is what I've been trying to do more lately and and you know as far as like research goes is when I'm reading
something to start jotting down my notes so then in the next article I can start sifting through and going,
oh I know I know that already. Move on. You know what I mean? Or find things to to verify other
statements that have been made and so forth. Or if you can A lot of times what I love is the little the the trail of
breadcrumbs is what I call it where one article will give you a just a little nugget and then you find some more
information later that adds to that that story. Gives you some details of what went down. Can I say that you know, I I
got to go here in a little bit but but before There goes scratch your testicles.
Before I jump on my my motorbike and ride off into the sunset. Yeah. Um You should have drove a motorcycle in here.
You I saw somebody um So, we got a bunch of snow yesterday. The roads were terrible. Like I I did a uh drive that
usually takes me 25 minutes took me like an hour and 15 and I saw like eight eight or nine accidents. I was keeping I
was keeping a tally in my mind. Yeah. All of them but two were single-car accidents. You know, somebody just like
spun off the road. But, I saw some poor dude, he's driving his brand new Corvette
Oh, god. on that same trip and I thought, man, he I he looks like he knows what he's doing, thank god. But,
um My neighbor, as I was leaving, he drives a like an old Mustang. Mhm. Not like a not like a vintage one,
but like Like an '80s, 1980s, '90s? Like 2000s. Okay. Cuz I think about that, 2000s, that's
technically old now. Well, I have a 2004 Cadillac and I have to remind some of my
friends uh that it's 14 15 years old. car. It's 15 years old. That's why the heat
doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah. Uh but, can I say this to you this is actually for nobody else other than me and you,
but what I guess we'll leave my mic on here. That's what the show's for. For me and you. You know, I I want to I
think I want to cover this case now. Like I mean, not not right now. Like not right now in this moment, but we've said
for a long time we wouldn't cover it. I think I think this is our year. I think we should. I mean, like I was
sold that Burke did it and then I looked into the stuff about the the lie detector test and if they did
pass and you do believe that, then you go, "The Ramseys didn't know what happened."
And I can start making logical sense of everything. Just like, you know, I told you before the detective detective
friend of mine said, "Uh they called their lawyer before they called the cops. Why would they do that?
Right? Well, so I was watching a video the other day and I think I explained this before,
but I was watching this video where the girl says, "If you got a ransom note, why would you
call the cops when the ransom note tells you not to call the cops?" Well, you called the cops because you called your
lawyers before and you asked them what to do and they said, "Hey, you need to take this serious, but just go ahead and
call the cops." They said, "That's probably why they called the the I'm I'm not saying that's that's
definitive why they called their lawyers. What I'm saying is we know that they called the lawyers before they
called the cops, but what's a logical reason? Because the letter says don't call
don't contact the law enforcement. Anyways, So, wait. I got Sorry. I have regarding the ransom letter.
This is one thing that's always struck me as just completely crazy and out of bounds, right?
Right. So, let's if if we let's pretend that we believe 100% that the Ramsey's or someone on the inner circle of that
household did not write the ransom letter. That that the actual perpetrator of the
crime wrote the ransom letter. Mhm. Here's what's always stood out to me. Ed Edwards. I question the mental health of
the author if it's not one of the Ramsey's or not somebody on their inner circle. And I say that because of one
multiple statements in that letter, but one in particular. "We are a small foreign faction. We are members of a
small foreign faction." Here's the thing. Even Nobody says that. Even a member of a small foreign faction
wouldn't say that. Mhm. Or pen it in a ransom letter. It's just it's it's crazy. Right. So, all
right. I think Should we cover it? We'll cover it. We got to cover it. Yeah. So,
maybe we will stop talking about it on this show. We'll stop talking about it on this show.
like a six-part, maybe eight-part Anyways, Eight-part? My point being is that now we have this
guy and maybe before we cover it, there'll be some updates and stuff and It's going to get solved now and we
won't get the chance to cover it. Well, we can still cover cover it once it's solved. This is one of those cases
that's so big that it's like what you were told and what really happened is normally not the same things.
So, you know what I mean? So, it's like you you go, "Oh, I think this happened."
or "I think that happened." Well, we could talk about this case right now for two Well, [ __ ] we've been
talking about it for an hour now already, but but like okay, so so for one good example here, somebody that I
obviously have a lot of respect for, John Douglas, as you said, put together a profile. Well, he was he was hired by
the Ramseys. I I don't know if they technically paid him or if he just met with them.
hired by the Ramseys and he said it couldn't have been anybody in the house. Well, there are statements out there
that the Ramseys were hiring a defense team when they nobody had presented charges against them yet. And so, when
you say that they had a private investigator that probably had multiples, uh if they had if they did
have a profiler, John Douglas, who made a profile of someone else other than the
Ramseys or or at least said that he believes that in his heart, I think his words were, "In my heart, I believe that
the Ramseys didn't do this." Um wouldn't that be better if like a guy like John Douglas came out and he said, "I believe
in my farts." that they didn't do it. In my heart of farts. In my farts of hearts.
But, the thing the thing to keep in mind that's really interesting when you talk
about that aspect of the case, their private investigator, John Douglas, so on and so forth.
Keep in mind, those investigators, John Douglas, they had limited uh evidence to look at when coming up with
their opinion on the case because what law enforcement said was, "Yeah, I understand that you're hired by the
Ramseys to help solve this case. We can't give you a lot of the stuff that we have for you to form an opinion
because we consider them suspects." Right. But, that's also when they were doing their initial questioning, too.
When they came back for more questioning, the Ramseys said, "Hey, you need to tell us more." And some people
find that fishy, but I also think that John Ramsey found himself to be a smart person.
And I think he thought, "Give me some of this information and I can do more with it than you are."
And I think they wanted that information to turn over to their private investigators. If they had one or two,
or maybe three, but when you have contacts where you're you're hiring John John Douglas, do you
want local law enforcement looking at the evidence or do you want John Douglas looking at at it? Mhm. I'm taking John
Douglas, you know, every day of the week and twice on Sundays. There you go. See you on Sunday. Yeah, so uh we'll
we'll post a little just a area on the website. Let me know what you think about this Gary's
confession and and what your thoughts are on us possibly covering this case. Yes. Yes, please cheer us on and we will
cover it unless everybody poo-poos the idea, then we'll probably still cover it.
Then we'll still do it. And then all right. All right. I got to get on my motorcycle.
Mhm.

Gary Oliva /// True Crime Garage Off The Record: Episode 42

Nic and The Captain discuss: Gary Oliva's confession to the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. www.truecrimegarage.com

Brief Summary

The episode covers updates on Maura Murray and examines Gary Oliva's potential connection to the JonBenét Ramsey case.

Key points

Maura Murray Update. Fred Murray discusses new leads in the case of his missing daughter, Maura.
Cadaver Dog Insights. Exploring the effectiveness and training of cadaver dogs in investigations.
JonBenét Ramsey Case Developments. New updates emerge regarding Gary Oliva and his connection to the JonBenét case.
The Mysterious Address. Rumors suggest Gary had a registered address near the Ramsey household, raising questions.
Gary Oliva's Confession. Gary Oliva claims he accidentally caused JonBenét's death, stating he watched her die.
Gary's Confession. Gary admits to being evil and expresses a desire for connection.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

"If we can make one difference...".

Expressing the hope of making a positive impact.

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