FULL EPISODE: Barbara Butcher is Crime Junkie AF (Part 2: The Case of Suzanne Morphew) | Forensic Files

[Music] crime hi everyone and welcome back to the show made by the crime junkie Ashley
flowers for those who are crime junkie AF so if you're new welcome me too but I'm glad that you're along for the ride
and I swear this show came at the perfect time because the goal was to talk about big headline making type
cases and I didn't know if we would have one every single month I had no clue how
I was going to follow up last month's episode on John O'Keefe's case which by the way if you are not following the
trial quit your full-time job it is the stuff of movies I'm going to try and maybe do a recap when the prosecution
gets through with their side of things which might be in 2026 the way it's going but TBD either way I'm moving on
today I want to tell you about the case that I've been eyeballs deep in for the last month Court docks out the wazo and
I'm dissecting this one with my new crime junkie BFF renowned death investigator Barbara butcher hey
actually hello um I say BFF because if you're listening to this live or you didn't see the episode before Barbara
and I actually did a whole hourlong episode right before this one just talking about her career the cases she's
worked this this woman has street cred you guys so I you have to check it out I need to dive into this case I have been
itching to talk to you about it and I specifically wanted you for a reason because there is some really interesting
forensic stuff happening with this case there sure is and this case is a roller coaster this one's knocked me out a
couple times you said you fell out of your chair and it's one that has made national headlines so for those True
Crime afficianados who subscribe to the it's always the husband Theory this is a
case that has a very clear suspect that they have been quick to point to but there's some weird evidence there's a
lack of evidence that gave the defense attorneys a lot to work with charges were filed and then dropped the
defendant even brought suit against those who investigated him but recently the pendulum has swung again and there
is a lot of questions in the case of Suzanne morio a cold case that gripped the headlines in one of the most
high-profile murder cases in the state the Colorado mom who vanished on Mother's Day four years ago we are left
with many more questions than answer what actually did happen to suzan so again I'm with Barbara butcher
because the newest evidence that has been released in this case is suzan's autopsy report and you are going to help
me not only understand it but try to interpret it and what this could mean for the case I also have a ton of
questions about the scene itself and you were a death investigator but that doesn't just mean with bodies right like
you actually can you give just a little bit of recap if people didn't hear the first episode sure my job is to
investigate the body in the scene and to get the context of the death however um
you know we always say the body belongs to me and the scene belongs to the police but the scene is mine too
everything is mine everything is barbarous you guys and I've got plenty to say about this one oh I can't wait so
all right I'm gonna give a highlevel overview of the case as Barbara and I break it down with the caveat of the
fact that you guys should go read the court documents for yourself to really understand this there are so many
details I am going to have to Omit just for time sake but the way that Suzanne's
case started was on Mother's Day of 2020 so she and her family live in Colorado her two daughters are away on a camping
trip her husband is had just left like early that morning for a job in Broomfield Colorado which is like 167
miles away and they've all been texting her to wish her a happy Mother's Day or trying to call or whatever and no one
can get a hold of her her daughters even say the texts aren't even being marked as delivered so they're starting to get
concerned and they do a little phone tag and at some point one of them calls the
neighbor to say hey can you go look is is Mom there is her car there is her bike there that she normally goes uh
mountain biking with and at one point the neighbor calls back no I can't find her and Barry's like okay Barry's the
husband you need to call 911 and so the police or the sheriff's office is then notified of a missing person they go out
to Suzanne's home the scene around it because they believe that she's out on her bike somewhere and one of the first
people that responders talked to is actually one of the daughter's boyfriend at the time so the boyfriend basically
tells them listen she's a big mountain biker I think he was actually even one of the people who helped her learn how
to mountain bike and and what was strange is he's like she normally takes her car with her and and takes the bike
with her but her car is here and the bike isn't and they ask you know the question any crime junkie would ask any
good inv get her ass like you know how's how's the marriage how are things going
and he it's so strange in the video he like looks at his dad and his dad's like you need to answer like be truthful and
he's like well you know they fight a lot but it's like normal marriage stuff and
they specifically asked does she ride a lot on 225 this road by their house and he's like no like she I don't think she
would ever ride there because it's almost like uphill like to difficult to ride he's like you would get off your
bike and have to like push it up and we find out there asking him about 225 Because by the time they're talking to
him which is really soon they've already found Suzanne's blue mountain bike and it was off the side of the road but like
it the road just kind of drops off into a Ravine and her bike is there with the front tire like facing down and there's
actually seen from the body cam footage of the officer who originally went and found it who by the way just like
touches the [ __ ] out of that bike I don't know if you watched the video love chew it I mean he was all I was like
stop I mean and I don't know what I know they probably thought it was a missing person but when you find a bike like
this yeah I mean to me and again I'm a crime junkie but I'm like red flag maybe don't yeah absolutely like at some point
I thought he was going to lick it like I was like stop touching that [ __ ] bike
and and don't [ __ ] all over that scene why wasn't it everyone why wasn't it roped off not even just where they found
the bike but the road itself the RO yeah dirt road tracks all kinds of things out
there all kinds of evidence up there but people soon were gathering around and everyone was traing through the scene
and touching the bike including the husband the husband eventually I know now there's there's
one screenshot I took and I'm being my own little crime scene investigator and I like put a circle around it I put it
in the document for you to look at because the theory that kind of comes up is pretty quickly is there like this
seems stage they said there's well they say there's no evidence of tire tracks on that on that road again everyone's
walking over it I don't know how much you can actually say that but there's like there's no damage to the bike
there's everything looks fine and they're like we think someone just threw this over to Stage a scene there's like
a part I see where it looks like the grass is like smooshed like is it possible that somebody was down there or
anything's possible yeah but is it probable I don't know this this looks very odd I
I I don't you know what if you think about bicycle being driven driv off the road let's say a car forces you off the
road where you just you lose control you go off do you slide all the way down this slope you go down this far looks
like it is pretty far it's far down and then what happens after that um do you lay down in this area of grass here this
depression because you're hurt well H where's the footprints where's the disturbance of the
vegetation the torn pieces of grass I don't see it but admittedly look this is a body cam picture yeah and then they
didn't stay on the scene very long and this is the only thing that's been released that we have so they end up
contacting Barry when Barry says he gets this call while he's out at a job site that the police are coming he tells the
people he's working with like I've got a family emergency I've got to go and he does end up making it to the scene by
the time it starts to get dark now when he gets there he's asking a lot of questions and
here's what's interesting so in in a later arrest affidavit they will point to the fact that he kept saying it was a
mountain line a mountain line a mountain line which I which I get like I which is
a little bananas there's no blood at the scene there's whatever but it's it's not
also completely accurate I thought that because what he comes out of out of his car saying is like was there was there a
crash could it have been a mountain like he's asking what happened here yeah um he's scared and there's some back and
forth about the bike and then they ask him you know okay well when is the last time you saw your wife and he says that
it was when he left that morning for the job site sometime he said around 5: in the morning and when he left she's sound
asleep they didn't interact because he didn't want to wake her up and then he just couldn't get a hold of her so they
can they start getting suspicious pretty quickly and I think it's because of one thing in particular at
least for me and again they they say the bike looks staged but they actually pinged her phone to
figure out and I assume because they they were able to do that thinking that she could be hurt or endanger or
whatever they ping her phone and they're like okay it was it last pinged in that
area which is still right by their house so it's all it's it's pretty rural it might use the same Tower but it pinged
around 4 a.m. which means that was before he said he left the house and there had been no activity since then
yep and everyone says she she had her phone all the time she would a rode with her
phone it is of course it's like 8:00 p.m. now yeah it's dangerous to go riding without your phone they start
looking at this I think you know again despite touching everything I think they start thinking they've got something on
their hands they start searching they start looking at things maybe the way they should have from the beginning
pretty critically they find that her camel pack the backpack she wears with water that she always rides with and
there's pictures of her all over her Instagram riding with this camel pack that's in her car yeah which like we
said that her daughter's boyfriend said she always usually took her car to go they okay so there not only searching
the house but they also send some search dogs out Barry gets them a scent item from their closet so dogs go out and
search they go yeah there was something in that closet her padded bike shorts and her bike gloves yeah that's what I
didn't know does she have more than I assume she was like an avid biker that she would have more than one pair we're
going to get to that question mark but also who searched that house the family members and a couple of
deputies did they do anything to protect that scene nothing this could be this is
potential crime scene no they had family traes and this were there just like the
John Benet Ramsay case everybody come on in and let's have a look Colorado is not
doing well they're not doing well at all yeah you they've got they have a deputy
walking with him cuz you see it from the body cam footage but to your point nothing is roped off they're not
considering this a scene by any means at that point but they are noticing weird things so there was um one of the guest
rooms I guess had the all of the bedding off of it and it was it was a room that
was their daughters who was like away at college or something and you know they start to wonder like well where's all
that the bedding is in the dryer it turns out and Barry says well she was getting ready our daughters were coming
back she was getting the room ready for them right they were out camping so he has an excuse for it yeah now while
they're out searching outside of the home for Suzanne they end up finding her helmet 87 miles away from her bike in
the opposite direction right yeah but so so they this is this is a question for you so they think everyone keeps saying
this is more proof that it was stage and I don't understand why this is more proof that it was stage I don't buy that
no I don't um because let's just just just put a little scenario out just suppose some nut ran her off the
road jumped out grabbed her put her in the car and threw her bike down now she's still wearing a bike helmet isn't
she if she when she's abducted she didn't stop to take it off and then they proceed wherever they're going to be and
the guy throws it out the window that's what I think you know that's perfectly reasonable yeah but also someone who did
intentionally and knowingly kill her say a person that knew her and threw her bike down there to make it look like she
crashed the helmet oh I forgot the damn helmet it's in the car now I got to go throw that somewhere else so there's a
lot of ways to go here now I think it's pretty clear that they set their sights on Barry Suzanne's husband pretty
quickly and you can see why so when they ask Barry about his marriage he says it's
perfect which a wrong answer because there's almost no one who would call their marriage perfect when they start
talking to people even their daughters so again one is in college one lives with them the one that lives with them
even says that they were both in a quote unsafe space emotionally and that things
weren't great they fought a lot um they say that they were still fine I I feel his daughters have been very supportive
of him and it's interesting because what Suzanne tells her friends because they end up finding text messages that
Suzanne sent her friend and what she tells her friend is that her daughters were like you need to leave you should
you should leave him that she was really open with her daughters yeah but we only
have that in from Suzanne in the text and then her what we get from the daughters is that they're very
supportive of their dad and and at least in these initial statements to police they kind of downplay any kind
of problems in the relationship potential emotional abuse stuff like that sure who wouldn't it's your daddy
it's your dad so they do they find these texts to her friend Sheila um these are
the ones that they kind of really point to over and over and these texts weren't
necess neily like right before they were in the months leading up to this where she just is kind of telling her friend
about how awful her marriage is and that she feels that he's emotionally abusive
and controlling and she wants a divorce but he won't even speak of divorce and you know the the thing kind of playing
in the background of all of this is I grew up in like a very religious home and like there's a lot of that you see
come through in this where um he uses scripture against her when when you know he she doesn't want to keep doing the
same thing over and you know you've got to forgive someone 70 times seven and I'm like all right come I know I know
this brand of man yep um so it just she paints a picture to her friend that it's it's a very unhappy
marriage and to back that up even more is authorities find her Notes app on her phone so they
don't actually find her phone they're only able to pull data from what they're able to get from the cloud Apple
30 days worth 30 but here's the funny thing with a subpoena you can get from Apple you can get 180 days so why did
they stop at 30 I don't know why they only did 30 I my guess which is completely uneducated is they have been
very clearly honed in on Barry and specifically on this like two days this like when a couple of hours and I again
more is always better in my mind but I think they were so narrowly focused that like stuff that actually could even help
them they didn't bother getting yep and I don't know if it's I don't know again I don't know how subpoena work I don't
know if it's more difficult to get no subpoena is a subpoena you can get up to 180 days that's you know a reasonable
request and the company gives it to you and that's that wild so why you maybe they said oh look 30 days is easier no
it's not it's all the same same data you dump it and I wondered too they were able to get um Barry's phone because
he's obviously there and turns it over what I mean again they were they're making a case here and I I almost wonder
if the stuff Beyond 30 days just didn't help or made things harder to explain H maybe I don't know maybe not so in her
in her Notes app so the morning of or the day before I think it was on the 9th so she goes missing on the 10th the day
before on her phone at like 7 something in the morning her Notes app saves or backs up this list of what they call
grievances against Barry um and and they're like some of it's a little in in code it just says like monkey app Fizz
abuse mental abuse while drinking Nye name calling said I only need for money sign women on Facebook good for business
I mean it's it's this long list um to jump out of car gun shame and guilt daily for not meeting expectations
nothing to do with infidelity everything to do with your character and who you are at core your lack of control over me
equals insecurities equals a sick relationship verbal abuse writing checks for cash out of business account writing
money from invest I think it's invest IV account without asking or discussing monx in your name only this is important
because it comes up later monx is a um it's like some kind of money transfer yeah it's a code that transfers money
from you know internationally especially very easy to do wire transfers that way
so uh accused me of BF boyfriend and hydro 56 so again she's missing on 510 and there's this accusation of a
boyfriend wrote an allanon book which is a a sobriety thing right allanon is uh allanon is for the families and friends
of Alcoholics okay it helps them to deal with you know the problem of their loved
ones so that's what I that's what I haven't heard is like is what their relation to
that is or who in the family might have been Barry makes a lot of accusations later about Suzanne abusing prescription
drugs and drinking a lot no then she would be at you know Narcotics Anonymous or Alcoholics Anonymous or something but
alanon you know some people go there just because their their partner is dysfunctional not necessarily primary
alcoholic interesting okay but there you go but what's Hydro I don't know accuse
me of BF boyfriend and hydro hydro is a very interesting word all right on 56 knew I was looking
at phone in bonus question mark mm and I don't know what that means either so there's I mean there's a long list I
think I think it's something like 60 things it's interesting so this this uh all came out in a court document I would
love to know what suzan Dan thought so a lot of the messages we even get weren't
even on the phone anymore they're pulling them just from the records yeah I feel like what would have told us
maybe what she thought was this journal that she kept so she had a daily devotional book along with a journal A a
leatherbound journal that they said she kept but that journal is completely missing nobody and and they find a
binding of a book in the fireplace yep so potentially that book is no longer and was in the fireplace and it was bed
the other physical evidence that they end up finding at the house is they say that there's a cracked door frame
leading into the primary bedroom and this I'm like I don't I don't know man so it it's when you say
cracked door frame what whatever I was imagining before I saw the picture wasn't quite it it is literally like
where the locking mechanism meets the frame there is just like a line yeah through it and I would get right up
close on that line and I would smell it it's Pine and when Pine cracks you can smell fresh pine right and I would look
in there and see is it dust is it old is it I can tell immediately if that's a new crack or an old crack you can of
course well no I guess I'm not a miracle worker but it's pretty damn easy you look in there there's fresh wood there's
still splinters it would be a a lighter color than that outside which is varnished there so yeah I would smell it
examine it look for dust in it and they don't mention doing any of that so the only the only thing they mention is that
the previous owners of the home because they only moved into this home in 2018 so this is two that's two years before
this is happening the previous owners of the home say that that wasn't there when
they moved out that's two years ago yeah so what I mean also like if this was in
my house I don't know that I'd be making even note of it yeah not that big a thing could have happened any time in
two years so it's something they make of what does it mean I don't know not much
to me other physical evidence on Barry himself his person on his arm there are I would call it two and a half yeah
scratches that they think could be from Nails yep he says they were from bushes I think he said when he's outside or you
said no for sure no I don't think so uh look again I I'm not I'm not having the ACT ual photograph in front of me except
this this you know replicated one here electronically but these are nail marks you see the size you see the the pattern
of it um nail marks in dragging like across just a little there not a a bush leaves a scratch a thin longer scratch
these look a little deeper you see especially on that one on the far right you'll see that's a little deeper there
and then that second one has a a crust in over so obviously serum or plasma you know blood came from the blood and
sealed it up now you know this is the time where you you love to have visuals because people somebody said well why
aren't the scratches on his hands or other places when a big man grabs you what do they grab you by your arms your
upper arms and they hold you there so if your upper arms are restricted mhm what
can you scratch right here here can you scratch his face no he's holding you like this you can't get his face you
can't punch him I also think if he I I the way that I was thinking about it is if he grabbed her around her body yep
and and you go like up by your by your chin that's your instinct is to grab that arm and these look like nail marks
to me and and again I'm going to put the caveat on it that without the original photo which I can look at with a you
know magnifying glass I can't say for sure but it doesn't look like Bush scratches to me here's question I
have they you know I spoiler alert at the beginning I said you're here to talk about the autopsy report they end up
finding Suzanne's body it's after years they find her would would there still be
DNA under her nails if she did scratch someone if she had Nails yeah there might be what do you mean if she had
mean like if if she made if these are scratches made if they were made by Suzanne wouldn't she have had to have
nails to make them I mean the way in which she was found ah I see we'll get to that okay so
they see that other than those two again I say two and a half because the other it's like it's very tiny other than
those there does not seem to be any physical evidence on Barry's body that he was in an altercation that he has
defensive wounds they also find a needle cover to a syringe in the dryer where they say that the sheets from that
bed were and I'm like talking very very specifically because what you'll hear a lot of times in is that it was a dark
cap and this actually gets conflated because it goes into this theory that they end up having but it wasn't a dark
cap it was a a cap to a syringe needle mhm so the theory that they end up like kind of forming seeing all of this is
that they thought it was clear Suzanne was going to leave Barry things had been building up for a long time he was
realizing he couldn't control her anymore and he killed her mhm killed her with sedated her maybe sedated her yeah
and they they do have this specific theory that he used some kind of animal tranquilizer to do it specifically
pointing to the syringe needle which they keep calling a dark cap and and Barry is a big hunter oh yeah he they I
think they were even had a deer farm back when they lived in Indiana and I mean this dude like his home is Antlers
deer head Galore it's a little a little disturbing but yeah so they have they have their sight set on him but they
don't actually have any proof not only that he did something but that anything has happened it is still early days and
Suzanne is still just a missing person sure now some other reasons they think that he's looking suspicious is they're
as they're getting more and more Digital Data from his phone his locations his truck his he's got some um excavator
equipment the bobc cat that they keep looking at yeah completely a red herring they kept harping on this Bobcat that
that looked like the front blade was clean and new and maybe there was a Dusty footprint on it yeah nothing so
what does that mean that you went and Unearthed a big area to bury a body in or took a rock off a cave open they're
obsessed with the Bobcat obsessed obsessed but but but uh spoiler alert nothing ends up they test the blade they
test the like nothing they have a caber dog go in there nothing Bobcats a little
bit of a like you said a red herring but they as they're getting all this other data there's just all this weird stuff
so not only are they getting Digital Data from his phone and his car but they're also going to the hotel he was
at the day that he Suzanne goes missing so he leaves at 5 o'clock in the morning
to go to this job site 167 miles away and he says initially that when he gets the call that he needs to come back his
wife is missing he's on the job site he has to leave it turns out he was like chilling in his hotel room at the time
that's correct they know that because of surveillance footage from the hotel he was in there for for a long time and
then there's also all this weird stuff he's doing around town that day so he goes to I think it's something like five
different dumpster sites sure clothing store McDonald McDonald the the hot another hotel yeah five different sites
five different dumpsters and pushing things down into taking stuff out of his truck on videotape on videotape but you
can't you can't see everything I mean like there's you can see like a c thing one time you can see a pair of boots one
time but then it's just like these um grocery bags almost sometimes and he says that this is just
what he does he doesn't like to pay fees to dump things and so he goes and just dumps it at random dumpsters cleans out
his car cleans out his car which was freaking filthy by the way which was a mess a mess when they looked at it there
was plenty of garbage in there he could have he could have cleaned out more could have maybe it was really bad
before so he does the thing is too he doesn't remember what he threw away is that suspicious or is it like if I was
throwing away trash I couldn't tell you what I actually threw away yeah probably
well you know we could go either way with that yeah you go either way in a lot of things in this Cas we sure can so
there there the the activity itself is suspicious why are you doing that that's not it might be normal behavior for
Barry it's not normal behavior for most people the person who came to help him with his work they had gone to his room
after him and they said that the hotel room just smells horribly of bleach or chlorine now the people who work at the
hotel say the the room was under or right above the pool yeah so that would it's co time like things are getting
extra disinfected maybe maybe not the other thing that they have is on his phone what's so strange is so many calls
and texts between him and Suzanne were deleted yeah and someone said or maybe he said it was some porn sights but then
we hear later that wasn't really a porn site it was a popup ad for a porn site so yeah so it's
not just calls and texts there's some strange web searches about how to make you know one
of them is how do you make a girl orgasm there are at least one of them I remember was like so long and specific
yeah that like that to me seems like popup it it wasn't the kind of thing that I think anyone like types into a
search bar yeah yeah initially he was like I never I don't do that I don't believe in porn I don't watch that stuff
and then it was popups um but that like so much stuff is gone from his phone his phone also shows
him going in and out of airplane mode yes purportedly and I I say it with a great
deal of caution it was rumored that or it was it was determined by the the download of the phone and the analytics
that it was in and out of airplane mode meaning it wasn't trackable at that time
and now there is something else to mention though here he was supposed to on that Sunday the 10th M he had told
his his coworker his his employee that he was going to pick her up at 5:00 P p.m. to go to the job
and no he left at 5 a.m. and never said to her I'm not picking you up just didn't explain it he just called her
later and said you know we're going to need another person here bring another person she was like all right whatever
which to your point it is it's 5:00 p.m. if you have a job on Monday makes sense
sure it's Mother's Day yeah you should be there you think yeah but maybe you know the girls aren't home sure the
girls are out with their friends but it is strange that he didn't even tell this
coworker hey I'm not picking you up hey I'm going 12 hours early yeah a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense and it
keeps not making sense because even that him leaving at 5:00 a.m. he says he leaves at 5:00 sees her sleeping well
they're like surprise surprise we have your truck data and we have you at 400 a.m. yes going the opposite direction of
where you need to go in Broomfield and right around and again this is very general areas going around
the area where I don't know if it was her bike or her helmet but one of those hel the helmet was found hel yeah 87
miles from the house opposite direction he says he's a super Hunter and so he's like going and he's like I could go
right I could go left and he's like and I look and I see some I can't remember what kind of big animal it was some big
animal Big Moose or an elk and he's like I got to go look at this thing thing and
so he drives to look at this thing and then he decides to go the other way and go to his job site turn around um which
initially again never part of the narrative right like only when he is presented with evidence and this is a
this is a common thing with him is that he has the story when he is presented with evidence the story changes it
evolves it Evol evolves I like that it Evol good word good word and this happened again with something else so
one of the things that they have are these GPS locations and they actually have a pretty big home it's this $1.7
million thing and I didn't realize that you could track someone physically like room to
room yeah well you can't it turns out they they say they have tracked him when he got home that day because on her
phone and I think that this is important to know on her phone well they end up narrowing down like the time frame that
they think something happened to her and at this time he they think he comes home
and they see him like bouncing all over the house this is on Saturday the 9th uh
the day before Mother's Day yes the afternoon 2:30 something yes and they're like your phone's bouncing all over the
house and so they come up with this theory that he got home and he's chasing her around yes and so and again that was
never part of his story when they present him with this he doesn't say and this is where it's like he doesn't say
that's not what happened like I didn't I wasn't doing anything thing he he tells
them that he often chases Chipmunks around their property he shoots Chipmunks he's shot like 85 Chipmunks a
I know he's he's very impressive so he puts himself at his home with some kind of gun shooting
Chipmunks I mean it later comes out that that's they actually couldn't track his
location that's right because static drift now he had poor cell uh cell phone reception at his home ostensibly if you
think about those satellites that do all this tracking um you know when you're driving in your car and using GPS and
it'll say turn right 100 feet ahead you move 10t and suddenly it says turn 25 ft
that's because you're bouncing off different satellites and each of them is tracking you at a millisecond in time if
you lose signal even just for a second now suddenly it jumps and the really telling thing about
this was they said that they could track him running around the house at approximately 45 miles an hour
yeah so I thought wait a minute is he driving around the house no so how does it move 45 miles an hour a person you
can't but static drift says that you will pick up a signal here and then two seconds later pick it up 100 feet away
and that means I'm moving 45 miles an hour so this is not foolproof stuff mhm it's technology it has its flaws and in
this case we have a weak signal so we can't really say that he was chasing her around the house maybe he walked from
point to point as a person is allowed to in their own home what why so was he why tell the
Chipmunk story that's where it gets that's where I get I have nothing to say yeah okay
they have more and more stuff that they end up finding and every time they find something something that Barry has an
explanation not one that he had ever given them before but Barry has an evolving story well then they find the
spy pen so it seems that Suzanne was convinced that Barry was having an affair yeah and she had asked her friend
the same one she had been texting with for you know all those months ago she had asked her friend you know I don't I
don't think like I can buy it without him knowing can you buy it for me her friend buys her the spy pen but what the
spy pen ends up revealing there's no evidence that Barry was having an affair not on anything I mean to this day
there's no evidence that Barry was having an affair that's right there is evidence that Suzanne was having an
affair big evidence big big evidence so she is on that pen talking to her lover this man in who they end up finding out
is this person she had gone to school with I think back in high school and he still lives in Michigan and again they
used to live in Indiana by the time they locate this man suzan had been missing for 6 months yep and he
hadn't said a word not one word and he knew she was missing and this was a longterm Affair years yeah they had
started the affair right after she moved to Colorado in 2018 um it was mostly over the phone his
daughter saw a text message or something he kind of cut things off but then things picked back up and they were like
they were pretty sneaky they were contacting each other on LinkedIn that's how they did a lot of their chatting and
then they would go on WhatsApp and all these places where you can keep your communication really private and they
would meet and then they would meet so there were a number of times where they met up they had a physical relationship
as long as as well as an emotional one she was telling him that he was the love of her life yeah but he had a wife and
six kids so when she goes missing he finds out because this is the kicker so they were actually speaking at the time
that they think Barry came home and they and the police that what they theorize is that's what set him over the edge
yeah that he found out she was having this affair he chased her around and killed her with a dart and they they
they believe this Dart thing because when they present him with this needle syringe cap that they found and they say
well have you ever used this he said yes I used this on my Deer farm yes I I think I might have had this chemical
this bam which just three different chemicals in my workshed I don't think I have it anymore and they're well would
you have ever had a need to use it here and he says well actually yes I would shoot deer and tranquilize them so
I could go cut the horns off or antlers off yes and then and then let them go and and I would keep them for like extra
money or whatever you sell them for big money people want to look like Hunters without going through the trouble mhm
and they're like well why would uh why would it be in your home and he's like well you know maybe if I was in the
house and I like shot it through an open door but I'm still standing in the house
maybe that's why something would be in the house and they're like okay well when would this have happened and he
says I think the last time I did it was maybe end of April mhm I mean where she goes missing at the beginning of May
yeah but there is no chemical in his home that's right they cannot find any chemical in his home and it's not easy
to get you have to get it prescribed by a Veterinary veterinarian and uh I mean certainly he used it a lot back at his
deer farm and he used it he said recently in Colorado to take their horns so obviously he had some way of getting
it now the other thing that I find interesting on this spy pen and I'll I'll come back to her Affair in a minute
is she had put the pen in his truck at one point I guess assuming that she thought maybe he was going to meet
someone and it doesn't catch Barry meeting anyone but it catches him listening to a lot of Forensic Files
yeah a crime which is like a little bizarre and this is where I'm like okay I mean God
forbid anyone put a spy pen in my car that's all they're going to hear y but my question that nobody has addressed or
I don't even know if they've asked is like was Barry a crime junkie is I mean is this something that he's always been
listening to or is he learning yes or is you know shortly before something happens to his wife is all of a sudden
he taking notes yeah and I haven't seen anyone ask that question or touch on that
now they say to go back to the affair there is this picture of Suzanne which they keep calling the proof of life
picture this is her last proof of life it was a selfie that she took while she was laying out and sent to Jeff her
boyfriend and this was at that like two something time and they say 37 issue yeah they say this is the last time that
we know she was alive and I say is it no why just because it's the last picture we have exactly the one
thing I can't I can't I scoured the internet I can't find when the last time someone actually spoke to her or saw her
right and it's driving me nuts yep because also it was 50° yeah why he said she was laying out
on the lounge sunning sunb 50° that's awful cold you know that's cold yeah and hm well it's not your best time to get a
suntan but still some people like it sure Barry when they eventually approach him because they're still all sight set
on Barry again the more they learn about the affair the more they think this is just motive for him and plays into this
theory that they already have they seem to be com like not care at all that Jeff
didn't come forward when he knew they don't think it's weird that he destroyed the phone he had with Suzanne oh yeah
immediately after he said his phone dropped and the the front broke the glass so we had to get rid of it like
the next day yeah but but you can replace the glass for I think it's about $70 it was a work phone work was going
to pay for it so oh well gee but W so replaced it with a whole new phone and E all the data was wiped deleted all of
his accounts so that second LinkedIn he made he deletes everything yeah I mean when I've gotten new phones you transfer
all the data this time no nothing right and he he did it to protect Suzanne and her image and he's so up you know what a
good always thinking of other people Jeff yeah and um was Jeff investigated was his
home searched was his computer checked no that this is the thing so again they had their site set on Barry and almost
nothing was done Jeff provided them pictures of receipts that he from his credit card or
technically his white credit card yes that shows he was supposed to have been at different stores at around the time
that something is thought to have happened to Suzanne yeah a you can't convince me that we have the right
window of time here and B like they did nothing to independently verify that or that it was him right and it was his
wife's credit card and did they h a DNA sample from Jeff they did take a DNA sample from Jeff okay good so they they
they at least covered their bases there but they've nothing to compare that to at this point that's right so when they
approach Barry with proof that she had been having an affair he acts completely taken aback he says he has no idea that
this was happening he can't even imagine it I mean she had been accusing him of this and this is what's kind of wild
because when you look at her messages to her friends and stuff like it's all she
talks about is like is the fact that Barry could have been having an affair she never even told her friends that she
was yeah is is a little strange well I don't know like the most jealous people are usually the ones who are thinking
about having Affairs themselves right then they imagine everybody else is doing it too I don't know I've I've
heard that said I just don't know why she she seemed like she had no interest in him whatsoever and I don't know why
she cared so much that he might have been having an affair I me maybe it was just she felt like it was her way out if
she could prove that it was him I could see that makes for a better divorce yeah
fair so she he he says that he had no idea about this man he he asked police over and over tell me who it is like I
just want to know his name and they're we can't tell you he he he says he's completely blindsided okay so oh the
other thing he says again to go back to his um churchy Roots he says a couple of
times something to the effect that like oh this was like God maybe this is I couldn't understand why this happened to
such a sweet woman why this happened to us Suzanne was a cancer survivor like why would she go missing now and and
he's like oh well maybe maybe I finally understand once he learns about the affair that maybe this was God punishing
her like oh for God's sake I know I lit wrote my notes you [ __ ] yeah the one thing I have been obsessing over
though is again Barry says he doesn't know about the affair ahead of time in one of the court documents
there's a footnote and it says it's footnote 53 on page 46 Suzanne's list of grievances
cites a transaction such as this one involving onx and she mentions one involving mallerie her daughter to lier
who is Jeff lier her boyfriend shortly before she disappears ahuh I wonder what that was
no I don't know because nobody seems to be talking about it followed it nobody followed that track down nobody's even
asking questions about this right now except for me yeah I mean it's bank records are as easy to track down you
know with a subpoena everything all legal it's all electronic it's all the digital evidence is right there did
anybody look at that but they used I mean they used it as it as a footnote in their arrest affidavit later on the only
reason I found I would never have even looked at the footnotes except where I had done like a control find for Jeff's
name and I'm like I don't understand what this how could mallerie have transferred money and there's also
mention of mallerie maybe sharing an account with Barry how could mallerie have transferred money to Jeff before
Suzanne goes missing but she wouldn't do that would she the daughter how would she even know
about Jeff I don't know who else had access to the account to that wire transfer but why would you
transfer money too right what does that mean I don't know and and nobody tells us what it means and Jeff was what was
that word protected according to the police I don't quite understand yeah they said
that they were going to when they went to interview him again when they should when they should have been
interrogating him the way they would have anyone else they told him that they were going to protect him yeah yeah
interesting they're protecting him okay so that's about the six-month Mark over the next six months nothing really
happens but at the onee Mark that's when they finally move in so I have mentioned
an arrest affidavit they make a move for Barry they arrest him for Suzanne's murder and the theory is a lot like the
one they had since the very beginning that he found out about this affair maybe walked in on her as she was about
to or was talking to Jeff because that's what the messages perhaps indicate and that he lost it and tranquilized her and
got rid of the evidence and got rid of her but they don't know where she is his his car records don't show him
necessarily going anywhere though they do show that like the in the window they think this happened the doors are
opening and closing a bunch of different times and there's all this activity and
his phone on silent and they don't know the exact things but they know he did it
except for they don't as we soon see and so they end up dropping the charges without
prejudice because the case that was built against him was full of holes and those holes were filled with
[ __ ] and exculpatory evidence evidence that would have proven him innocent was withheld from the defense
in Yeah by law you must provide the defense with everything you have every clue so they can look at it too well
it's not even to the defense what what um what they argued for this time at least and they they argue everything
later is they're like it should have never been put in the arrest affidavit they're like if the arrest affidavit his
lawyers accus them of not only withholding information in the arrest affidavit that the judge didn't get to
see to make the decision but that they lied like straight up lied about things too yeah and you have this great uh
point in your book and we touched on it a little bit in our previous episode episode um advice that you had gotten
from your boss your Mentor Dr hirs when you worked in New York who basically said something to the effect of you're
only as good as your word like if the second you lie about one thing even if you think that like it's going to help
you or you're doing it for the right reasons you lie about the one thing and it calls into question everything
everything is Tainted and now there's something very important too it's not just lying about the thing there's a sin
of omission and a sin of commission commission something you purposely do and it's wrong but there's Omission the
failure to say things that might have helped the defense the failure or or even I I'm going to call this a s of
commission is taking a statement and twisting it very slightly for instance say things like somebody says I heard
something that could have been a gunshot wound a gunshot and then the police down
witness heard a gunshot no he didn't it was something that sounded like a gunshot so phrasing is everything
terminology is everything you're writing cold hard facts but there's always an editorial bent to them and in this
affidavit when we look at it very closely oh it's editor we see a lot of editorializing yeah a lot of slight
changing or changing of timelines yeah and this defense team wow I do not want to be up against them but I do want to
hire them should I ever be in the hot seat God forbid God forbid I would say the um the biggest point that they have
on their side and there's a number of them that I'll kind of get to one by one but to your point of something being
withheld from them I I would say there's two things one is that apparently some of the lead people in charge there's all
these different agents involved and there were a number of people who called the prosecutor's office when they said
they were going to arrest him and they were like we don't think you should do this like not with what you have you
should not move for we don't feel good about you moving forward with this and they were not only ignored but that
information was never given to the defense that's right and that seems pretty important if you have some of the
people who are actually doing the investigating being like I this is the I mean there's some I oh I've got to find
the phrase somewhere because it's like I mean some like pretty strong language about how they should deeply concerned
deeply concerned about how they should not be bringing this case yeah the other thing that I think is the
standout is there's some DNA evidence so they actually did do a number of swabs and testing and there is
foreign male DNA on a number of different items including her helmet including her bike and and we rule out
you know everyone who was like touching her bike to feeling it touching it riding it um Al those people get ruled
out there there is still unknown male DNA it's not berries again they take Jeffs it's not
Jeff's the really interesting part and they they the defense knew that there was this part of it what they didn't
know until a long time later was that there is they swabbed the glove compartment of Suzanne's car not Barry's
car the car that Suzanne would normally take to go ride her mountain bike and on
the glove box is unknown male DNA that when they run through codus matches to sexual assault cases
unsolved sexual assault cases three of them in Phoenix Tempe and Chicago yes what what but but does it match it says
partial match now what does that mean so it could be like a family member no oh oh well actually it it could be here's
the thing in codus the FBI wants 13 of the loai on the DNA the locations to match with the evidence in order to call
it a full match and that brings it to a one in a trillion chance that it's that it could be a coincidence so if you get
13 low side matching you're golden they're thinking about bumping it up to 20 but whatever so if you get a partial
match let's say four loai or six loai what does that give you it gives you that this chance of being of this
particular person is one in 4,000 something oh so yeah it's good but is it good enough no but the fact that this
partial match belongs to someone who's done three sex crimes in three different are is far apart is
mindboggling yeah I need to know I we don't have the DNA report we only have the report of the result but we don't
have the confidence level that we need we don't have the the uh the the number of loai that
matched um it's pretty crazy so you want to talk about Reasonable Doubt right like that's what it's going to come down
to in a court of law and to his defense attorney's point they knew that at the time of writing
the arrest affidavit and to not include that criminal it's it's a sin it's embarrassing it's
unethical but they didn't they didn't even make mention of the partial match of the partial match to a sex offense
the other thing that I like don't see anything on is what is there anything being done
separately to like figure out who that was because it say okay partial match maybe it's not actually connected at all
we've got you know one in 4,000 but the evidence from three separate sexual assault Cas listen I'm not I'm trying to
I'm trying to be on your side here and pretend like we like not for sure yeah no is very very unusual not to pursue
the hell out of that in my mind pursue it but also even if it wasn't connected it's the weirdest coincidence in the
world yeah but even if it's not connected who touched her car was it the the guy when you changed your oil right
detail the mechanic yeah like I don't know if anything's being done I think every like it feels like everyone's so
focused on this yeah that we're ignoring this like really important thing over here I'm I'm hoping and I'm I feel a
decent amount of confidence that yes somebody's pursuing these three cases oh so
sweet I don't have the same confidence but you you know what you worked for the man so that's right Hing that you're
right and I'm wrong okay are they connecting them though or is Chicago investigating theirs and the other
places are investigating theirs or somebody linking them together and saying hey guys let's all work this case
yeah I don't know what they were doing before I don't know and is anyone in Colorado now trying to get to the bottom
of who was in Suzanne's car even if it had nothing to do with her murder and it might have had something to do with
their murder sure might have we don't know so when Barry finds out some of this stuff he su I wrote in my notes
everybody everybody yeah I mean quite literally it's this long list I mean there there are also even some like Jane
and John do like 10 Jane and John Doe's listed in a lawsuit I didn't know you could sue someone and not name them yeah
if you don't if you're aware of their existence within the case you've seen them but you don't know their exact name
I guess you can just okay you know indict a Jane do or a John do okay other there's to be found so some of the other
stuff that they point out in this lawsuit because that's kind of all we were getting from the public View until
this lawsuit became public in those early days when they were doing searches for Suzanne remember Barry had given
them a scent item they had actually tracked Suzanne's scent from her bicycle to down the Ravine to the river that's
right the the cadav dog this you know investigative dog I don't know if it was a cab dog yeah dragged her scent and
it's it's interesting because early on before this they always cuz Barry did again it's a mountain line early then we
know it's not a mountain line and he whenever they asked him what do you think happened he's like I don't know
she maybe she's in the river they keep asking him that and and they think it's so weird that he keeps saying the river
well it's because in the rest affidavit like we didn't see that again which they
knew then that the dog tracked to the river that's right that's a huge piece of evidence that they left out yeah uh
they knew about the kot's hits we know that um oh here's where it is that the they also knew about the static drift so
again in the rest affidavit they say we can prove he's bouncing all over the house and he's got this wild story about
a chipmunk and then here it it not only disproves like oh he's can't be going 60
45 miles hour whatever it is they say that there was they were told at the time they were given that information
about static drift and they're like what we're showing you isn't reliable like he's we're not saying that this is what
happened right and this is this is the phenomenon of static drift and and it goes everywhere but they did not include
that in the arrest Aid uh also they did not include the thing about these phone being on airplane mode mhm that there
can be instances in which it appears to be on airplane mode but actually is not now I don't understand all that it's a
very very technical you know job analyzing cell phone data and at at like a high level I mean they they did have
terrible service I mean that was kind of a known thing at their Colorado Home in
these like this mountainous area and so they're like if if if it could not connect to service that is kind of the
same thing as being an airplane mode and can you actually tell the difference that's where I don't know in the arrest
affidavit they also claimed that Barry had a second phone that wasn't located like they they state that as fact and
one of the things they point out is there that's actually false because the search warrant that was returned from
Apple said that the second device identifier is not a second device or a phone but instead likely identifies that
Barry and Suzanne's iPhones were connected to the same iCloud account for a while that's right which I mean again
in my mind like like if they're on the same iCloud I feel like you can see a lot berries you see an awful lot so I
have more questions than answers um but they go on and on of just like all of these things that when you read it in
its totality mhm you're like oh man he's the most unlucky guy on the planet yeah
cuz everything I read in that affidavit I was like oh okay good they did oh they
did telematics on his car that's really good they did all the cell phone stuff they analyzed everything wow this is a
good investigation and there were times when I said wait a second now how could he be
running 45 miles an hour and then when you read this this oh they his his attorneys tear it to shred every single
thing Point by Point including the interrogations of Barry and the statements that they made he said wait a
minute he said X and now you're interpreting it out of the context of the conversation that type of thing and
suddenly your mind is blown it is even the the dark what they called the dark cap they even say you you literally lied
and called it a dark cap and it is a syringe cap yeah and it's found not mixed up in the sheets the way they
would have had you believe the sheets of this bed that this bedding had been stripped yes the bedding was found in
the dryer but the syringe cap was found 9 to 10 days later in an empty dryer in an empty dryer by an investigator and
his was the only DNA found on that cap when they tested it now Suzanne had a chemport you know she had beaten cancer
she had this port she was still on you know a maintenance kind of dose is it possible that she was given a needle and
syringe and her medication to inject herself I don't know anything about a chemport I don't know if that would make
it easier harder cheemo Port you know so you walk into the hospital put your medication in and boom you
don't to keep scking you with needles was she I don't the thing I don't know though for a fact is if she was still
taking medication I believe I believe I read that she was doing you know to prevent recurrence that they they taper
down may she gave it to herself yeah maybe but that's how I'm really reaching here I'm just looking for other reasons
okay cuz darkart cap is a funny word because they believe that he shot her with a dark gun that like the that's why
again they're they're framing everything within this like very specific box yes and then the second it doesn't and
that's what I keep saying I don't even know that it happened in that box and they but they have basically boxed
themselves out of everything else yeah so Barry makes this amazing case he's suing them he's asking for $15 million
because of what they put him through he was in jail he was in jail his daughters
are standing by his side and then Suzanne gets found three years later breaking news Colorado mom who
went missing on Mother's Day Suzanne Mor Suzanne morw Suzanne Mor's body has been
found Suzanne is found south of where they live in the town of Moffet and they don't find her because they're looking
for her and what's so interesting is when they dropped the charges against Barry they said we we're doing this
because we only get one shot we're really confident we know where she's going to be we just haven't found her
yet but they don't they were not looking for her when they found her that's right
they were looking for a woman named Edna kintana she had gone on a hike with her
boyfriend and her boyfriend said that she couldn't keep up she goes back to the car she's out the car when he gets
there and he never sees her again doesn't mention that to her family when they're looking for her but mentions it
later when he has her phone and her purse yeah so they are out there doing a search for her now while they were
searching for Edna they had actually found another missing person James Montoya according to his family James
was scheduled to go to the Marines the day after he had gone missing but it's now believed that he met some people he
didn't know while on this like night out one of them being Jesus anhel AR viso of
Denver and investigators say that he got a ride with this guy and maybe a group of people an argument breaks out and
then Jesus shoots and kills James I don't know how they have all this information I assume from Witnesses but
on the run so that case they're still looking for that guy but so they're looking for Edna they find James and
then they find another body which I'm sure for a moment they think is Edna but what was left I mean three years later
her Port was there and there had to have been that moment where they actually knew what they had found and after some
DNA testing it's confirmed that it is Suzanne so they found her in an area nobody was even
looking and then what they find from the autopsy results like just when we're all
like man Barry got railroaded they find bam in her bone marrow and they say that she died from
bam and so if you could help us break down what it is they found how they found it what it means like how
significant is this oh so very this is um this is this is mind-blowing now there's no flesh left you understand
she's out there three years in the desert there woring clothing there's bones there's some animal bones mixed in
and some of the bones from suzan are missing this is animal activity okay what's left to test there not a
scrap of Flesh so people say oh you can test the marrow nope marrow starts to Decay after 12 weeks is pretty much
useless she's been there three years but you can go to the ends the the of the femurs in the the top of the femur and
the very bottom of the femur there are more there large areas with tricular bone inside it that's where all the
blood vessels go through and in there you can find DNA even after years and years they test that DNA and sure enough
it is Suzanne they also identify her initially right from the autopsy before DNA was done by forensic odontology they
have her dental records they compare them to the dental work that's left within the Mand
and they identify her right then and there confirm with DNA and even better there's toxicology
you can get toxicology out of that tricular bone miraculous I mean that's unbelievable yeah AB obviously you want
blood that's the number one number two if you can guess a flashh some some some bone marrow but bone is good why is it
that uh one is better than the other does blood hold stuff you know you got the liquid it's right there and it's
full in it's full concentration in tracular bone you know the process again I'm not a DNA scientist so you know the
grinding down of it the extraction of it from bone tissue is just not going to yield the results that nice fresh blood
does but what do we find in that tricular bone what do we find a anesthetic a tranquilizer uses an antis
psychotic by the way and a deep deep narcotic majorly it said that metat medine is like seven times stronger than
fentanyl or some crazy thing like that I don't have the exact number but this is
what's used in combination to sedate big animals yeah you know bear attack a deer
you know any of these things yeah these aren't just like three random drugs right this is and this these were
specifically the three drugs that they had theorized very early on that Barry had used that Barry admitted to having
used to shoot deer with that's right at the end of April yeah the combination is
called bam and that is used by people to stop animals and Barry said oh yeah I use that to get deer to remove their
antlers um so we have toxicology and this is mind-blowing because now we have not a cause of death because all we
have is Bones MH and when they look at those bones very carefully you know they have a forensic anthropologist the
medical examiner there the corner they did a really good job they had the forensic odontologist they have the
Anthropologist and they go in and they look at the bones and they look for things like bullet holes saw marks uh
knife you know knife as you plunge it into someone's chest it Nicks a rib right they're looking for all these
things they don't find any evidence of perimortem injury in other words around the time of death there's something very
interesting in that toxicology and that is that they found metabolites of those three drugs when you have a drug in your
body your liver your kidneys metabolizes it breaks down the substance so that it's excreted from your body eventually
so in order to metabolize a drug you have to be alive for a little bit don't you so she was sedated with the BAM and
then lived for a bit which I find interesting because one of the things that people who believe and and Barry's
defense team people who believe he was he was railroaded he's innocent one thing they'll point to is that kadab
dogs were eventually brought in to the home to Suzanne's car to that Bobcat to Barry's car and there is they did not
hit on anything well I I think one time it was like the fourth time the third or
fourth time they brought in a kadab dog it hit on like something random and of course that's the one thing that made it
until they arrest affidavit course but then we learn about all the times that the dog didn't hit on anything
especially not in his truck like how how would he transported or nothing could have happened in the home it had to have
happened on the bike ride but then you think about what but what if she wasn't dead what if she was just sedated
sedated Cav dogs find the offut of of human decay of decomposition um the amoles whatever
they're called and so canaver dogs if a person's alive and sedated they're not going to be able to track that person a
tracking dog could mhm but of course Suzanne lived there so what's to track right so we have cab dogs no we we're
we're seeing then that she probably was not dead and decomposing in her home was
she sedated yes now again I have to say we don't have the toxicology report which is so frustrating it's killing me
because we need quantitation not just the the the um the fact that the drug is there but the quanti and the quantity of
metabolites how long was it between the time she was sedated it's a very very important piece of evidence and the
anthropology report good God do I need that I need to know um where the clothing was was found now
what's really interesting to me is you want to talk about the Magic Bullet they found right then and there a weathered
bullet they don't say if it's been spent or unspent they don't is it is it a bullet with a cartridge or is it an
actual bullet fired from a gun and it just happens to be right there with Suzanne and the FBI takes five fragments
of clothing and the bullet why those fragments of clothing they're going to examine microscopically to see if
there's any gunpowder residue any smear from the bullet any fibers that are burnt at the edges indicating that she
was shot because we don't have any evidence in the skeleton that she was shot that doesn't mean she
wasn't of course not because you know soft tissue yeah and so the FBI is holding in their hands that Treasure
Trove is it possible that that bullet just happen to be there as I said before anything's possible but is it prob ma is
the middle of freaking nowhere that's right I mean what and again but to be fair
we did just find potentially a sexual predator's DNA on her car and it's like if anything can happen it might happen
in this case that's right and maybe it was a shooting range area maybe maybe people went out there to shoot their
guns but in that case you would find a lot of bullets wouldn't you you'd find shell casings you wouldn't just find a
bullet next to a dead woman messing three years now I'm what I'm I wish they would I know they have more information
because the defense has kind of like thrown bits and pieces out within just like when they do interviews cuz they
say something about her having caffeine in her system as well I don't know caffeine and the chemotherapeutic Agents
so we know she was still taking yeah so they're saying so again they they're they're telling us the stuff that works
for them um so they're saying she had caffeine and they're like you know there was this coffee cup there that morning
that was half drank it had only Suzanne's DNA on it that proves that she was alive and well that morning when
that you know according to the the police's Theory she should already have been dead uh so yes caffeine I want to
know did she have any other drugs in her system again Barry has made allegations
that she was abusing her anti-depressants so no they would have mentioned those in the in the toxicology
you would think of course no you have to you when you well wait a second they didn't give us the full report maybe
there's a reason for that that's what that's what I don't know but then why didn't they why did they tell us the
three most important things the BAM because they that's what that's what led to her death right is that in their
summary yes what they called it is and this is an interesting thing you know normally I mean someone asked why is the
autopsy report so short well because all we have is bones we have no internal organs and then they say here that the
final diagnosis is homicide by unspecified means in other words unknown in the setting of bam let's
intoxication okay so what do they mean in the setting of it means this shouldn't be so if you're found dead in
the street and they can't figure out why you're dead there's no bullet wounds no
trauma no nothing but it's in the setting of being dumped in a dumpster head down that's not looking good you know so
in other words this is not correct this is not what should be a person shouldn't
be laying in the desert and no one should have bam in their system something that is prescribed by uh a
veterinarian for Animals yeah right the other the thing that again we get bits and pieces through the news because they
just say that she's got the weathered bullet and then some clothing that has kind of you know disintegrated with with
time as well but we don't they don't say what clothing the defense has said they'll just kind of off-handed say her
biking clothes I don't know if that's true no it's not exactly Yeti shorts I do have a description yeah from the
autopsy on external examination they're presented with three paper bags you know
biological evidence is always kept in a paper bag not plastic okay so we have Jane Doe day
one Jane do day one bag skull two bags then the third bag is County Day 2 and three so they
searched for three days before they got all the bones and evidence animals scatter the bones now it says which
Bones they have we have some missing we have the metaport The Cho Port purple medical device and now we have a pale
patterned balaclava is that that thing you wear around your neck or you could put it over your head okay we find that
we found a pink and light color leather work glove a light color p uh padded bra
ripped dark blue gray hooded sweatshirt with it says crested beew on it a torn green Nike tank top Yeti shorts and a
fabric fragment that's not her biking clothes no she wears the padded and nobody's
nobody who's doing serious mountain biking is is doing it in a sweatshirt yeah so maybe I don't I mean I don't
know what Yeti is maybe it does have padding but and where is her water you don't go biking the mountains without
water yeah exactly all right and then we have you know handed over to the FBI the
fabric fragments the weathered bullets um it's it's a it's a Puzzler this is it's interesting
and there hasn't been much from I always I always come back to his daughters just
out of sympathy more than anything else because they were so adamant and they stood by their dad
yeah and they lost their mom I mean they're how much more tragedy do you need here you know it's awful I just
don't know what they think now that like now that they have this they they haven't made any statements and they
might still be standing by their dad and and and Barry's lawyers are still saying
that they're that he is a man to stand by because they're they put out a statement afterwards that basically said
this should call for a reinvestigation it should absolutely and it should be done by somebody who wasn't involved
with the first one because it was so tainted and they should stop thinking about Barry and focus on whoever
actually did this and there is somebody who potentially has assaulted other women out there and there's all these
open-ended questions and right right now everything is is a little bit in limbo um as of this recording they haven't
decided her body was found in the 12th District she went missing from the 11th so they're wondering if the if the 12th
is going to be the one to actually prosecute it which potentially could be the best option since they didn't
weren't involved in that whole first part of everything it's it's a huge mystery it
really is and what's interesting too is did they see anything in Barry's car on his tele atics that showed or his DPS
that showed the car going down to this area where the body was found no so not in the days because again they went
through those telematics backwards and forwards for this window this very specific window they did not pull the
telematics on her Range Rover so on the other on the other car in the home and the thing that I had I was I was running
around wild with this case like running to our producer and like like with this paper in my hand this paper in my hand
and they had all the GPS coordinates from where his truck had been and so I went back farther and there's no date
but they also say here are the places it's been over time and it I mean it could have been years before but it
shows that his truck at some point was in crestone Colorado which is right by mofet I mean the coordinates are almost
overlapping with one another there's nothing down there Moffet is a town of between 100 and 200 people I mean
yeah there's there's no reason to go there so I'm really interested to learn why he went down
there at some point what was he doing in mafit because I know for a fact his truck was in creststone which is right
by Moffet right but when was that and why we don't know that and mostly because all the data we have or at least
the one that's the data that's been released has was just in that like very short time before she went missing the
the time that fits into their window yeah window I don't think he took his if it was him and I I'm not saying it's
Barry I don't think he would have taken his truck they know that he didn't in the time I also don't know when she was
last seen alive this is like I'm going to lose my mind over this one yeah this case has got me going back and forth
back and forth there are so many unanswered questions and you know there's nothing worse than not knowing
and it like is is he awful or is he I think of I think of Scott Peterson where it's just like is it possible that you
are just the most unlucky man alive right now and that you can be an awful husband and not a great guy and still
not be a murderer yeah and then and then but and all these things make you just look so guilty but what's Wild is if it
is if it is B the BAM and if it is what they thought it was but it didn't fit into that box like this is what really
sucks about a Department being dishonest about the way they get to the end it like the the end doesn't justify the
means because the means make like keep the end worth something yeah and right now everything
they've done even if they were right I don't know that it's tainted it's tainted
and what about Suzanne at the end of all of this yeah at the end of the day a a woman lost her life
and her daughter's lost their mother and a husband's wife is gone and we'll never
know what all it led to so there's you know there's still hope for Suzanne's case depending on a
reinvestigation to touch on the other cases I even mentioned you know Suzanne has gotten a ton of coverage those other
cases really haven't and so I think for James Montoya it's important to remind people that are still looking for the
man who killed him Jesus anhel Aro who they believe could be hiding out in the Alamosa area there was a woman who was
also arrested on September 5th of 2023 in connection with James's death and formerly charged with accessory to
first-degree murder after the fact so the family has been asking the Public's help in finding the man who who killed
their family member so if you have information you can call the metro Denver Crim Stoppers at 72
913782 7 there's a $2,000 reward available for information leading to an arrest and Edna the woman who whose
search led to these two other people being found she is still missing it's important to note that her boyfriend has
not been called a suspect what we know is that she was last seen on May 3rd of 2023 in the area of Swatch County so if
you know anything about her disappearance please call the C bi tip line at 719 416
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Brief Summary

Ashley Flowers and Barbara Butcher discuss the Suzanne Morphew case, focusing on evidence, investigation flaws, and recent autopsy findings.

Key points

The Case of Suzanne Morphew. A deep dive into the mysterious disappearance of Suzanne Morphew, a Colorado mom.
Suspicious Circumstances. Evidence suggests the scene may have been staged, raising eyebrows about the husband's involvement.
The Missing Journal. A crucial journal is missing, raising questions about its significance.
Suspicious Scratches. Barry has scratches on his arm that raise suspicion about their origin.
Suspicious Hotel Behavior. Barry's actions at the hotel raise eyebrows, especially the bleach smell.
The Last Proof of Life. A selfie sent to her boyfriend is the last known image of Suzanne alive.

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