LeeAnna Warner /// Part 2 /// 517 | Forensic Files

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[Music] me [Music] [Music] when we were wrapping up yesterday's episode captain we started talking about
possible persons of interest or at least people that the police told the public they were looking
for people that they wanted to interview and this came in the form of some names
as well as descriptions of unknown individuals we need to start diving into some of
these people that they were talking about at the top of today's show one of the individuals that they were
looking for was a 23 year old convicted sex offender who later would be known as
a person of interest in this case and his name is lee allen wu 23 years old convicted sex offender now
they have not specifically announced or addressed any direct connection between this lee allen
wu and leanna warner however they said that he became a person of interest one because of his
criminal background and two because he stole a vehicle on the same day that lyanna disappeared and operated that
vehicle with a expired license or invalid license at the time of course when you have somebody with a
criminal background and it is a sex offense you have a little girl who goes missing a guy that's known to be in the
area and he steals a vehicle on that day and chooses to break other laws you want
to know as an investigator why why on this day did you feel the need to steal a vehicle and operate illegally
operate a vehicle authorities also asked for help in locating john bartel who they said was not a suspect all we know
about him is that police said that he was known to travel between chisholm and the twin cities
they were also looking for a bruce william christensen of hibbing minnesota he was not a
suspect but could have vital information in the case bruce christensen had 17 criminal cases
filed against him between the years of 1997 and 2006 so a busy guy he eventually went to prison for robbery
where he beat a fellow inmate to death with a piece of railing that he broke off in order to use as a weapon he was
sentenced to an additional 30 years for that murder an article about his sentencing
says that in september of 2003 he pled guilty to making terrorist threats against kailyn warner
very interesting sounds like a piece of [ __ ] 2003 september he pled guilty to making terrorist threats against the
mother of leanna warner christensen apparently blamed kailyn for the police interest in him in leanna's case and
threatened to shoot her we don't know if there was any direct connection between kailyn warner
and this guy but he attempted to attack a prosecutor in court and was subject to
several mental health evaluations around the same time yeah a real piece of [ __ ]
so it sounds to me captain like when police ask you that horrible question that that nobody wants to be asked do
you know anybody that would want to harm your family or hurt your child or would
have any reason to do something against your family i don't know this to be the case but i'm
wondering if this man for whatever reason was somebody that was named by the family
because it seems like he wanted revenge or to retaliate against the warner family specifically kaelin
for the police interest in him yeah but it shows you the reason why they're looking at you
because you go on to threaten the mother it's like look if you had nothing to do
with it it's like look i'm i'm willing to cooperate i'm willing to answer your questions
i had nothing to do with this yeah he's definitely a violent man at the end of the day no doubt about that
sean burteck who we referenced and yesterday's episode was arrested on july 10th burtec was arrested on outstanding
warrants rather than anything to do with leanna warner's case but he was one of the individuals that they named at that
press conference as having an interest in speaking with but while police did confirm that bertek was a convicted sex
offender they said that after interviewing him he was being considered more of a witness than a suspect we see
that in a lot of cases when somebody goes missing or there's possibly a crime within the
area they do the old pedo roundup they realize some of these guys are not registered correctly
some of these guys have warrants and they make arrests and so there's a lot of arrests that are that have nothing to
do with the disappearance but that's just a byproduct of of this girl going missing right on these are issuing
and um carrying out outstanding warrants on this guy and then after you speak with him you you can
tell that he was in the area and you could probably back up what he was doing in his whereabouts during that time so
he like anybody else in that neighborhood or that that general area would be now
witness status of course in any missing child case investigators would not be doing their job if they did not take a
hard look at those with the easiest access to the missing child and of course we're talking about the family
authorities said fairly quickly that they were comfortable with what the family was telling them that lyanna
disappeared while away from home and they had nothing to do with it in fact they don't seem to have suspected the
parents at all or if they did it was very brief and behind the scenes reports indicate that the warners were
not asked to take polygraphs as you pointed out captain but the fact is kaelin warner was one of the last people
to see leanna lyanna could have returned home after finding that the quirks were out
putting her home by 5 20 or so if that were the case then what happened her mother didn't call police until 8 48 pm
and we know that based off of the phone records and everybody else involved in this case so what do we know about the
warners the media covering the case revealed that kailyn and chris had been married before and there was some
indication of turmoil in at least one of their relationships the year before lyanna was born in 1998 chris warner and
his ex-wife got into a violent confrontation involving blows both sought mutual restraining orders and
chris's ex maintaining that he had an uncontrollable temper chris's petition for a restraining order stated that his
ex-wife had threatened kailyn and her two daughters from a her previous marriage
authorities looked at the situation but said that the incident with the ex-wife quote didn't raise any red flags
now we don't know how thoroughly they looked into the ex-wife but we i would say that raises some flags
yeah and you should look into it but again if she has a solid alibi then maybe that's why they moved on well
and it sounds like a lot of this a lot of these issues between him and his ex by then they may have buried the
hatchet right because the the the confrontation the violent confrontation between the two occurred in 1998. uh
leanna warner didn't go missing until 2003. chris warner was a heavy equipment mechanic
at a nearby employer as well as a volunteer for the ambulance service he shared a son anthony warner with his
ex-wife kaelin was a manager at easy stop a convenience store in chisholm there is another weird story involving
lyanna and the warners that came out and again investigators dismissed it as amounting to nothing but it is a little
strange according to the warners and this is the warner's telling us this story someone reported to social
services that leanna had been tied up the warner's told the social worker investigating the complaint
that liana was playing with neighborhood kids and they had been playing maypole and had used lyanna as the maypole while
they wrapped a jump rope around her it's hard to know whether social services dismiss this as a simple
child's game or child's play or whether there was a file opened on the warner's this is one of those situations where
it's like you can understand if there was a misunderstanding but you also go okay well it's hard to believe that
somebody would bother to report this incident if they didn't feel that there was really something here it also seems
captain that we're sitting here 18 years later and if this was a red flag if this was
something that we should really question call into question the people investigating the
disappearance and and the possible suspects are not dummies this is not something that slips past the goalie
here this is something that would be at the top of the stack as far as information goes on the parents and
something they would have looked at and something they would have questioned both chris and kalyn about all right so
we have this issue of question some of the behavior question letting the child go off on her own
i think that's all fair game so you have to wonder could the parents have some responsibility here do they know what
happened to their daughter is one guilty and not the other all kinds of questions
immediately pop up when you see these types of cases i feel pretty confident but it's just a guess and it's just a
gut feeling that i don't see the parents having any involvement in the disappearance of this little girl
the only involvement i see is people that were desperate to find her and went to every effort that they
possibly could if somebody told them that they here's something that could help your
case or help you find your daughter they did it they didn't hold back well also with christopher being a
volunteer emt worker a volunteer emt worker that if there was some accident they wouldn't try to cover it up
they would call call squad and and try to get her help immediately here's a couple things that i want to
point out to people too and it doesn't seem like the general public consider the parents to be suspects either and i
think that anybody that really takes a good hard look at this case what you're going to see is a couple
things it looks to me that chris was gone during the time in question and an ambulance run at 6 20
p.m that's a pretty ironclad alibi as far as i'm concerned there's going to be other individuals there there's going to
be documentation of this so on and so forth that's pretty straightforward to me now we can call into question
kalin's decision making as a parent we can call in a question the wiggle room in the
timeline that the sheriff referenced the other thing too you know we're quick to point out hey
eyewitnesses are not always great about giving you an exact time on something because they're not sitting there
noting everything that happened that day and noting what time that they witness something right so with her having this
moving time of when leanna left her site it could be just that exact same situation she said that we just got back
from the lake i was busy unloading the car bringing in stuff that we purchased at these garage sales
and the kids badgering me about wanting to go to her friend's house i really didn't want her to go there
and i told her she could go well what time was that well i don't know it was after we got home from the lake
well that's when that's when sometimes you can arrive at the wrong time by the encouragement of law enforcement
because incur they're encouraging you because they're telling you look i understand you weren't looking at the
clock i need you to ballpark this thing for me or at least give me a guess i need something a starting point
and she may have given a bad time we we're talking about a mother who's busy the reason why i think that law
enforcement did not consider them suspects and didn't consider them suspects early on is
the window of time to do something to this little girl dispose and conceal that crime
takes time and effort and i think that when they really broke down the timeline and the people that
were seeing the parents interacting with the parents and the what the eyewitness
statements were that saw the little girl at 5 15 did not give a window of time that anybody could have
done anything and covered it up and we don't know what kind of searches that law enforcement did on their vehicles
and so if if you have cadaver dogs sniff the vehicles if you run some tests on the vehicles
you're gonna go well we we don't believe she was transported well and nine times
out of ten hopefully it should be 10 out of 10 this is pretty standard police protocol but if you are
responding to a call about a missing child the first thing you ask the parents of course you want to know what
were they wearing when did you last see them but one of the first actions that you
actually take beyond asking questions of the parents or any person that may have seen the child
is ma'am we understand that your daughter's missing we're going to search the neighborhood we're going to ask you know
we're going to search the area we need to search your home first and that happens in in every case that
i've ever reviewed that is the first action that seems to be taken when police are responding to that type of
call and i have no reason to believe that that did not happen here and that also could be backing the thoughts of
law enforcement that these people didn't have anything to do with it i also want to point out
one big problem with the parents being guilty of anything or or or uh kalyn being guilty of having done anything
they weren't the kailyn wasn't the only person home that day remember her the daughter the other daughter
was with them for the entirety of that day she was 10 years old at that time now she's not an adult obviously but
she's also not a little kid if something bad happened she could tell us about that and the 10
year old daughter was active in the neighborhood search for lyanna almost immediately yeah it'd be hard to one
convince her that you have you have to lie for mommy and two that she would be able have the
capability to put on a great acting show for the public right and the other thing
too is both kailyn the daughter that was 10 years old at the time and chris warner have remained
active in front of the media on this case for 18 years so this 10 year old daughter is now an
adult and she continues to do interviews about this case so it again there doesn't seem to be time
for anything to happen involving kailyn well two kind of creepy things and like you said when
they when they when law enforcement shows up at the scene they go hey let's search the house
but they also start asking the parents like did anything weird happen in the last month or so has there been
a vehicle that's been seen in the neighborhood have you seen some uh creepy character
walking around one of the things that they said was well she one night when we went into
leanne's room she was sleeping in her closet because she was afraid that the monsters outside her window were gonna
get hurt yeah that's a very curious situation to this whole story and unfortunately this happens
daily where a child is afraid of something and we don't know exactly what it is as a parent
and most of the time it's almost always it's nothing here it's something we really call into question
because of the state of this case where we have a little girl who disappears and
we can't find any trace of her but like you said a child being afraid of the monsters under her bed or monsters under
her closet you hear that more than you hear monsters outside my window right and in this situation you do have
the parents who would be later telling us that they thought that lyanna was behaving oddly
in the days or maybe even weeks leading up to her disappearance which is very interesting to me and we'll dive
into that some more but while we're still talking about the parents you know i don't want to get accused of
leaving anything out here because we do have a situation where a few months this was october after
their daughter went missing we do have a violent altercation between the two parents uh kailyn and chris
where apparently kalyn attempted to run chris over with their vehicle almighty they had apparently they had
some kind of disagreement earlier that day or earlier that night to which police responded to their home
and settled the matter whatever it was at the time and then within an hour or so
this argument is now taking place in their vehicle as they're driving to which a very frustrated chris warner
gets out of the vehicle and says that he would be walking the rest of the way home i'm sure he probably said it in in
a different manner but uh kalyn uh hit the gas pedal and and took off after him in the vehicle
and he jumped out of the way he received some scrapes maybe a couple of bruises but uh what
happened was kaelin ended up being charged with a a misdemeanor in that case but the police have been extremely
vocal about that situation saying look we spoke with the couple before this happened and we spoke with
them obviously afterwards and we have kaelin who she says that the gears got jammed up
and and she kind of lost control of the vehicle so she denies the saying that you know she denies that she
attempted to hit her husband with the vehicle regardless of what actually happened we
have the police saying this matter and leanna's disappearance are not connected they are two completely separate matters
the couple was fighting they were arguing but they were not arguing about lyanna or anything about the case
and look i'm not gonna lie to you captain this seemed very troubling to me because what it shows is
angry impulsive behavior especially on kailyn's behalf which we know that she's on her behalf her own word well she's
the one that if if if she's lying if the gears didn't get stuck if she didn't lose control of the car and she did try
to hit her husband with the car that's the violence getting out of a vehicle and saying i'm
gonna walk home is not a violent act at all but what we have here is we have a person who is
admittedly the last person the last family member to see leanna so that really made me call a lot of things into
question but then i found this little tidbit here that made me feel completely different
and go back to what my gut was telling me in the beginning that kalyn and the family has nothing to do with this
this comes from patty wetterling whose son jacob disappeared in 1989 and when at the time when she is quoted
in this article this is 2003. so keep in mind jacob disappeared in 1989 and by this point in the article he had never
been found they didn't know what happened to him they knew he was abducted she says in this article
that she's would like to discourage anyone from making a judgment about the warners because of this particular
incident she says quote nobody knows what it's like to have your child missing for this
long people always ask me did it bring us closer together and i say no it's just the opposite
jerry who is her husband jerry and i went through some very hard times with so much anger frustration and anxiety
it's absolutely the biggest test you ever go through as a couple it's a nightmare now we know that the
wetterlings have nothing to do with what happened to their son jacob they were victimized just
like everybody else in that situation and i think that what what we have patty wetterling telling us
here is very interesting to me because this is the way that i've always kind of seen
these types of situations right if in the wetterling case it was the father that decided yeah you guys can ride your
bikes down to the video store and pick up a video this was after mom said no you can't
you cannot tell me that there are not arguments between mom and dad over who's responsible who wasn't a good
parent who didn't do their job if he was in my care this would never have happened
because you get sad your your heart breaks and then you get angry those are natural feelings
and i have to believe in leanna's case something very similar very likely happened
where you get in a disagreement about this that or the other thing but your heart is broken and you're hurting and
you want somebody to lash out to and it might be easy to go you know what mom you told her she could walk down there
why the hell would you let a five-year-old walk down there by herself if she were with me that day this would
never have happened and you can't tell me that that woman's not going to defend her self as a mother
so i can see this playing out exactly how it did and have nothing to do with the case and not suggest that they
are guilty of anything other than being grieving parents that are hurting and heartbroken
all right just to put a bow on this here captain regarding this situation we need
to point out that chris warner stood by his wife telling the media that kaelin was on
edge and had reached a breaking point he blamed this on a montel williams show that the two recently taped but it had
not aired yet at this point now on the show the psychic sylvia brown told the warners that lyanna was murdered and
buried in a shallow grave not far from their home chris warner says they didn't know
that that's what was going to happen during the taping of the show they didn't know that somebody was going to
tell them that they thought she was murdered and buried near their home remember at this point we're just months
into the case and they're still holding out hope that their daughter is alive and i think they felt like they were
blindsided by this and they said that they left the taping feeling used and upset
by the montel williams show and that this was something that that created an issue
between the two of the parents and it was it was just not good i mean this was they kind of felt like
we're down and you're gonna kick us while we're down so i think one can see quickly how
these types of things can happen [Music] all right you knuckleheads hey front and the back front in the back
to the windows to the wall cheers everybody cheers everybody on september 15 2003 this is three months
after leanna disappeared news reports began to surface about an interesting development a man
named matthew james curtis age 24 had been questioned multiple times in connection with leanna's case police
talked to him the day after leanna vanished and again four days later questions included police asking about
his whereabouts and when lyanna was last seen curtis lived at a house near the warner's in the neighborhood in fact
just a couple of houses down at the time that lyanna went missing according to a
news article in the virginia m n paper police spoke with curtis in the course of the investigation into lyanna
presumably because he was such a close neighbor whatever they learned during these interviews was enough for them to
get a warrant to search his home and when they went out to carry out this search warrant there they found kitty
porn on his computer so curtis was arrested charged and released on bail on september 17th
curtis was found dead of an apparent suicide three men were practicing archery in a
gravel pit area on national forest land and found curtis's body this is about eight miles from his home right he was
found with a plastic bag tied over his head and the cause of death after an autopsy was declared to be
self-inflicted asphyxiation the sheriff's department said it was investigating to
see whether there was any connection between the two cases and said that curtis had never been declared an
official suspect but had never been cleared either on the day curtis's body was found he
was out on bail and was scheduled to appear in court for that child porn charge but he failed to appear he killed
himself before the court appointment the sheriff's department searched the gravel
pit in curtis's home twice but found no signs of lyanna what we don't know is what turned police
onto curtis in the first place what was the basis for that search warrant well at the time that lyanna
went missing there was a man that some people say maybe was in his 30s was walking around
the neighborhood uh described as approximately 5 10 to 6 foot and had some kind of dark tattoo so i
always wondered there was like i said people in the area saying that there was this suspicious
guy walking the neighborhood did they connect that back to curtis i guess that could be a
possibility but that statement from police when they're looking for the person of that description
comes it's made public after the suicide no after they requested the search warrant for his home
so what's difficult here is we know based off of what the police are telling us that they spoke with this curtis
character the day after lyanna went missing and then again four days later okay so some so we can just assume that
something within that questioning made him go something's not right here that's what i'm thinking captain i agree with
that something during the course of them stepping foot into his home or standing
on his front doorstep and asking him questions told them this guy his home is of interest to us
specifically in this liana case and that could be something as simple as this guy seemed extremely nervous
when we were asking him that day after that she was missing right or he couldn't tell us where he was or had no
alibi or he was sweating profusely or he told us something on day one and then told us something different on day four
it could really be any number of things but the thing that's crazy here is that when they do get that search warrant
they search his home they file child pornography on his computer well that doesn't look very good
especially when this dude lives just a few doors down from the warners yeah i never like it when there's a
suicide in the sense of we don't have answers then and my gut always goes towards
this suspect you commit suicide you you're so distraught about what you did you can't
even live with yourself and suicide is not a obvious sign of guilt doesn't necessarily mean that he
felt guilty or or did something to lyanna i mean really he could have killed himself for any number of reasons
and he's not around to tell us why he did so we do have the warner's lyanna's parents who say hey you know we
saw this guy around the neighborhood but never saw lyanna interacting with him and we
didn't personally know him i do know that police continued to look into curtis postmortem
they did admit shamefully admitted that it would have been desirable for them to have talked
to him some more which possibly they were going to do that after he was charged or convicted we don't know but
of course now they will never get the chance to do so we do know that the minnesota bca
confiscated matthew james curtis's truck after he killed himself and processed it for forensic evidence
of lyanna's presence to see if you know they could find any proof that she had ever been inside his vehicle right
this did include dna and fingerprints and fibers and hairs they couldn't find any trace of lyanna having ever been in
that truck but we do need to point out this was after matthew james curtis's death which took place in september
leanne warner went missing the 14th of june so there would have been plenty of time for one to
clean this vehicle if one needed to do so well like i was saying to me when there's a suicide in the case you know
take like the amy mahalovic case when there's a suspect that takes their own life
my gut points to that that suspect but here is a different case because he's found
because when they're investigating this missing girl case they find this individual we don't know what led them
i'm guessing like we were talking about before when they're interviewing him he says
something not correctly or maybe just acts strangely and then when they when they do get the search warrant
they find child pornography and that could be enough for this individual to say hey look my life's not going right i
maybe have this i'm a sick individual for looking at this stuff i have these urges that i'm
trying to control and that's why he took his life so there are types out there that have
these fantasies urges whatever you want to call them desires and they never act on them
i mean we just don't know again it's a situation i'm with you captain it's you hate the suicides one
uh for any you know you hate the suicide for a million different reasons but one of
the big reasons especially in this case is that it creates another mystery in this case it creates one less person
to talk to and in my opinion this guy in in the humble goat garage opinion here captain this matthew james curtis
guy i would put him in the top three of suspects in this case now that's going to lead us to another
top three suspect and this is an individual that i despise one of the most hated men on the planet
as far as my mind goes that's not a nice way to talk about me this is a guy that
we've spoke about several times here in the garage and i never enjoy talking about him i'm talking about joseph
edward duncan iii so we're gonna jump ahead two years in this case to july of 2005.
now of course leanna's case is continuing to be worked at this time but meanwhile in coeur d'alene idaho
investigators captured suspected murderer and sex offender joseph e duncan he was charged with the abduction
of eight-year-old shasta grony and suspected of murdering shasta's 13 year old brother
mother boyfriend and missing nine-year-old brother dylan now you may remember for the long time
listeners joining us here in the garage today you may recall that we covered this case in our fifth nail episodes the
fifth nail was a blog basically an online rant written by joseph duncan in which he published his rambling
fantasies and dark thoughts he also talked about his love for computers you may also recall that duncan served
time in prison for the rape of a 14 year old tacoma washington boy when duncan was just 16 years old himself he was
released in 2000 so how does duncan's case possibly tie into leanna's case chief erickson
said that federal investigators were tracing joseph duncan's movements over the past
few years because of a posting on his fifth nail blog that appeared on january 4th
2004 in fact this post was the first of the fifth nail blog duncan wrote that learning about
lyanna's case was quote the proverbial last straw that led him to start his blog to rant about the stigma of being a
convicted sex offender yeah because that's what we want to hear about he does not mention leanna by name and
it seems that he felt the need to construct an alibi for the time that lyanna went missing
the exact words of the post were quote just found out that a five-year-old girl went missing from chisholm minnesota
on june 14 2003 i did not even know until today this happened so i have tried to figure out what i was
doing that day since i'm always afraid of getting accused when something like this happens end quote the post said
that duncan wanted to be sure that he figured out his whereabouts in june of 2003 when leanna vanished so that he
wouldn't be accused of being the one that abducted her he says he was doing this for his own safety and wrote i
figure it is just a matter of time before i am falsely accused of some crime or another
well yes you will be accused i don't know if it will be falsely in several different cases we know captain just to
for the people that didn't listen to the fifth nail he was convicted of all those
crimes he was accused of or thought to have done this guy has a dirt bag he's an animal he basically murdered a whole
family so he could abduct the two youngest children and he had those kids with him for a
long period of time where he tormented and tortured the kids yeah thankfully one of them was found alive
and is still alive and doing well to this day all these years later another thing to
be thankful about is they were able to tie joseph duncan to some other homicides and i suspect he's probably
done others that we are unaware of duncan was not the type to admit to any of his crimes he was the type that
one he would like to play games mind games and torment and tease the police and the public in the media
and i think that was a big part of the reason why he created his blog so he could do that from behind prison walls
the other thing too is that when you did finally convict him of something he would go out of his way
to explain to the public that the victims were not so innocent themselves that they had some blame in this and he
blamed some of the victims that he killed for their own deaths which is just completely bizarre in demonic behavior
in my opinion thankfully we can sit here in the garage today and raise a glass real high because joseph duncan passed
away last year and i hope he enjoyed every minute of it now chief erickson stated in this case that there was
nothing specific tying duncan to lyanna but did say it's very suspicious that he
brought the case up on his blog in fact if we are to believe joseph duncan he says that the case is what started the
whole blog to begin with blog more like clog i again duncan's a hard guy to get to put your finger on
i don't know if he would do this as something just simply to taunt i'm never putting my finger on him
police or lyanna's family i also don't think that he's above enjoying being suspected of crimes he
didn't commit yeah it's attention seeking you're exactly well looks like you just
put your finger on him told you i'm not gonna touch that son of a [ __ ] duncan says that he according to
his records that he was able to figure out what he claims to have been doing that day was watching some co-workers
parachute and that he did some shopping but could not find any receipts which makes sense he's locked up
anyway duncan did live in fargo north dakota and was when he was arrested on the grony case
but he was wanted on child molestation charges stemming from an incident in detroit lakes minnesota in 2004. now
fargo north dakota is much closer to detroit lakes minnesota than it is to chisholm minnesota and in fact
much closer to detroit lakes than detroit lakes is to chisholm minnesota if that makes sense uh duncan was
arrested for molesting a six-year-old boy on a playground in detroit lakes which is about a three hour drive from
chisholm minnesota now i do want to point out the other crimes that he did he would have had to drive a long
distance to do so so i can't i cannot completely just go alright he he says he was doing this on that day
and the distance between him and where this disappearance took place i don't think any of that rules him out
in fact there was uh one person who's done some good gangbusters work here and online an online sleuther that
posted that a treasure hunt winner found a treasure hunt winner log of a camping and scuba trip putting joseph
duncan in crosby minnesota in august of 2003. so this is interesting it's it's not you know it would be weeks away from
the disappearance but it puts him much closer in proximity to chisholm minnesota and it lists jet
duncan on this treasure hunt winner log joseph duncan called himself jet duncan he won a snorkel mask and defogger
in that contest by july 21st of 2005 investigators stated publicly that they had cleared
duncan of any possible involvement in leanna's disappearance i have no idea how or why they reached
this conclusion the best that i can think of captain they we know that investigators seized video
footage that duncan took the day of his co-worker skydiving so there that's not in question he he was there and
witnessed these people skydiving at some point the time stamp shows that they were diving in the afternoon the airport
where the dive took place is about a four-hour drive from chisholm i would like to see that exact time
stamp i would like to interview those people his co-workers can we determine 100 percent that he was
where he was when that time stamp says could he have altered that time stamp in any manner right those are just the the
questions that i have again he's such a horrible and despicable person i think if he's talking about a case and he's
putting himself on your radar you cannot remove him from your radar until you need to definitive proof yeah
because like we said this guy's a animal he's very capable of abducting a child that would that's
actually low on his list of what he's capable of you almost need the word of god to tell you that he did not do this
for for me to remove him he's i i'd like to move on from him now because i'm just sick of thinking about
him if that's okay with you captain well you're the go because this is going to bring us to
another story and probably the strangest portion of this case in my mind this this actually
gives me nightmares in 2006 some more information came to light and this was not news to the family this news is
going to come from the family because they say this is actually something that they discussed with investigators
but the investigators didn't seem to agree with them that this was an interesting avenue to investigate the
family decided at some point well you know what we're just going to tell the public about this we've told
investigators about this no you know i don't know if they have done stuff the investigators i don't
know if they did anything with this information or not they've never referenced it but the parents say that
the investigators did not seem interested in this information so now we're going to put it out to the public
and tell the world chris and kailyn warner went on the maury povich show this is october of 2006
and they decided that this information was worth disclosing after three years of it being largely ignored or given no
credence by police leanna they said one day came home with a case filled with barbie dolls and clothing for the
barbie dolls but would only tell her parents that she that she had got them from a little old
lady furthermore a week before she vanished their little daughter had packed up a
suitcase and said she was going to go live with her new family at her new family's house this was around the same
time that she started sleeping in the closet telling her father that there were monsters outside of her window yeah
to come home and see your daughter playing with maybe a a doll right and saying somebody gave it to her
okay maybe a garage sale in the neighborhood maybe she was playing with the doll at her
friend's house parents said hey just take this but when there's a doll and there's
a case filled with dolls and clothes multiple items and all she can say is it came from a little old lady that's it's
pretty creepy well yeah and let's go back to you know we referenced an online sleuther putting up
some information about uh duncan and his possible whereabouts you know in august of 2003
there was a person a woman who posted on tape a talk's website under the leanna warner discussion group
that says that she was about 12 years old at the time when leanna went missing and
was a sitter a regular sitter for lyanna she tells a story that once at the park
with leanna that leanna had told her she was going on a trip without her parents
now again this is something that somebody's posting online i can't verify that this
person was an actual babysitter for lyanna i can't verify that this story took place
it does seem to line up with some information that lyanna's parents are saying that they said in 2006.
so i found that to be incredibly interesting the thing that this really reminds me of here captain is is a case
that we've discussed here in the garage the asia degree case out of north carolina
this is where asia seems to have taken off on foot in the middle of the night we don't know where she was going or why
but she disappears we've never found any trace of her the only thing that they found after she went missing was a
strange photo of another little girl and this photo's never been identified there's never been anybody that came
forward that said oh i was that person in the photo or i was the person that gave
asia that photo right so to me that photo will always be tied to her disappearance and the reason possible
reason for her leaving her home that night and then in this case very same situation right it's it seems
very similar to me captain where we have the parents telling the public you know somebody gave our daughter all
these barbie dolls and all the clothing to go with these barbie dolls we asked her where she got them some little old
lady gave them to her we've never that was in 2006. let me check my calendar it's 2021.
we've never had anybody come forward and say i was that person that gave her those dolls
i i you know they were used to be my daughters my kid had grown up i had them laying around i was going to throw them
out or i was going to put them in up in a garage sale i saw the little kid gave them to her there's never been
anybody come forward and say or people come forward and say oh i know who gave them to her you know there's no
answer to this question well that's why it reminds me of the a ramsay case because day john benedict ramsay goes
missing she is telling people that santa claus is coming to visit her after christmas it's just one of those
weird stories where you're never going to get that out of your head why is this little girl playing with
like you said it's a collection of dolls and a collection of clothes for those dolls who was this
little old lady did the little old lady even exist because these individuals that abduct children and thank god it's
such a rare crime but even these individuals that groom children or molest them or try to
groom them into some kind of bizarro relationship they're very manipulative they're very
in tune to how to trick these kids it's much easier for them if they can get and convince the kid to go along
with whatever it is that the adult wants to do willingly rather than kicking and screaming
it doesn't have to be a little old lady i'm i'm with you i want to know who the little old lady is but then i also
wonder could it have been a 20-something year old man or a 30-something-year-old man that says
oh if anybody asks where you got these right you know i don't want to have to come and take them from you
if mom and dad or mom finds out that you got them from me you're going to get in
trouble right just tell them that you got them from a little old lady here's the other thing that's interesting too
to me we know that both of leanna's parents came from they were they were married before they were married to each
other if i'm an outsider and i'm viewing this situation or i have any idea of that oh
you got you got brothers and sisters that have other families well guess what little leanna
you have another family too just like your brothers and sisters you've just not met them yet
and here's a gift from one of your family members yeah but there's also sickos that
want to want to steal children and raise them as their own yeah they see this precious
beautiful little girl and they go i want her i want her to be mine and that's equally
possible i think captain you and i we stand in agreement here that these three scenarios are of the most
interest to us yeah i agree these individuals joseph edward duncan who for no rhyme or reason decides to
discuss the case on his blog we certainly know the horror horrific acts that he is capable of
right we have the guy that lives just a couple doors down that's caught with child pornography
in his home and he during the course of questioning he goes from being a possible witness to
somebody that police have such an interest in that they get a search warrant to search his home and that's
when they find the child pornography in his house yeah and that is matthew james
curtis and then this weird story about lyanna having another family or going to live with her other family and receiving
this gift from a quote-unquote little old lady is really bizarre stuff i think those three things
to me in this case where you have a lot of questionable behavior and a lot of persons of interest and we've discussed
a lot of those those three for me sit at the top of my list as far as the disappearance to leanna warner well and
don't forget about the monsters outside her window that are going to come take her away lyanna's parents
chris and kailyn have moved away from the home in chisholm that lyanna lived in with them they say that this decision
was very hard for them and that they were worried that she might not be able to find them should she return but it
seems after 18 years of holding on to hope on the basis of nothing reality has prevailed they still leave the porch
light on though cases like the solving of jacob wetterling's abduction and the three ohio women found in ariel castro's
basement continue to give them hope and the fact that no trace of lyanna was found in the thorough
and painstaking searches of a wide radius makes part of them believe that she was taken out of the area and
possibly could still be alive most likely chris warner believes that she may be a victim of a black market
abduction 2021 marks 18 years since leanna vanished the now chisholm police chief
believes that lyanna was abducted and investigators in law enforcement have said
the same thing within a week or so of the case that they believe this is one of those rare
cases of stranger abduction they still consider this to be very much an open case
but everyone is incredibly frustrated because there seems to be nothing to go on in 2013 the national center for
missing and exploited children released an age progression picture of what leanna might look like at the age of 15
and continues to issue flyers and posters about liam [Music] [Music] as always we want to hear from you
on any of the episodes that we covered we want to hear your thoughts and opinions because we know you guys are no
dumb dumbs no dumb dumb heads here in the garage colonel do we have any recommended
reading uh yes we do captain a little recommended reading also maybe a little more of the recommended
listening this week we are recommending they call me baba bowie we're gonna step
outside of true crime and have a little fun this is for anyone that's a howard stern fan i highly recommend the audio
version of they call me baba bowie by the great gary delebate you can find that recommendation as well as many
others on our website truecrimegarage.com some say it's the best book ever written
some say that and until next week be good be kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause]
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www.TrueCrimeGarage.com LeeAnna Warner was just 5 years old when she went missing from her neighborhood in Chisholm, Minnesota back in 2003. LeeAnna was last seen walking home from a friend’s house, which was a block and a half from the Warner residence. LeeAnna went to play with a friend at 4:30pm but no one was home. LeeAnna was last seen walking on Southwest Second or Third Street, westbound between 5 and 5:15pm on June 14th, 2003. The Chisholm Police department believe that LeeAnna was the victim of a rare “Stranger Child Abduction.” At the time of her disappearance LeeAnna was 3 feet 2 inches tall, 48 lbs., and she was wearing a sleeveless dark demin dress with an attached belt, orange Hanes underwear and a flower shaped earring with a red garnet. If you have any information please call 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678) or submit information online (CyberTip report) at www.Missingkids.org

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Brief Summary

The episode examines Leanna Warner's disappearance and potential suspects, including Lee Allen Wu and Matthew James Curtis.

Key points

Introducing Lee Allen Wu. A convicted sex offender becomes a person of interest in a missing child's case.
Bruce Christensen's Violent Past. A man with a history of violence could have vital information in the case.
A Disturbing Report. A report of a child being tied up raises questions about the Warner family.
Questioning the Parents. Investigators look into the parents' past and their potential involvement.
Patty Wetterling's Heartfelt Insight. Patty Wetterling shares the emotional toll of having a missing child, stating, "Nobody knows what it's like to have your child missing for this long."
The Strain of Grief. Patty Wetterling reflects on how the disappearance of a child tests relationships, saying it's the biggest test a couple can face.

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