Episode 777: Move-In Ready (To Ruin Your Life) | Forensic Files

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going to get it. >> Yeah, you might get your money stolen. So, don't buy from there.
>> No. Um, something else I really hate is that robot that you showed me the other day.
>> Oh, yeah, there's this robot in like Poland, I think it is. >> it was Poland.
>> And I think his name is Edward um, Warczaki. >> Yeah, I think it was. >> So, Warczaki.
>> She didn't even look at her photo, right? That just stuck in your memory. >> The [ __ ]
>> And he chases wild boars out of town while yelling "Go away" in Polish. >> Which is probably good cuz wild boars
will [ __ ] you up. >> but like they do need to go away from humans. So, I mean they'll they will
[ __ ] you like >> like eat you alive. Watch The Strangers 2: Prey at Night. And he's not hurting
the boars, he's just chasing them back into the woods where they belong. >> But I don't like that he can run. Oh, I
think humans building robots, we are the stupidest species >> I know. >> that has ever graced this earth. Have
you ever seen a movie? >> We, humans, make movies about robots >> killing >> killing us all.
>> all. >> And then humans are like, "That's a >> like a robot. >> something we should try?"
>> No. >> Come on. Stop making robots. >> Don't make like human-like robots. >> Yeah, you want to do like little
robotics things? Sure, fun. >> Yeah. >> Exciting. >> Exactly. >> Um but you One of my kids loves
robotics. So, like, yeah. And but don't make human-sized robots that can like chase you.
>> Run. And and too much personality. Clomp around. >> like it. >> Now they can shout real words.
>> Yeah, I don't like that. >> I know. >> But that was weird. Uh >> I think that's all we got.
>> Yawn, Maggie. >> Sorry, I keep it I'm it's not because you guys are boring me.
>> a bad sleep score last night? >> No, I got an all right sleep score. >> Not as good as mine.
>> I haven't had a good sleep score the last couple nights though, so I'm probably still dealing with that.
>> I have been sleeping so [ __ ] good lately. >> That's great. >> a 93 last night.
>> I've you know, cuz we have the Oura Ring, so that's what we're talking about.
>> Not an ad, but I love mine. Uh and and if you get one, I will get nothing out of it except the pure joy of
you also having that. >> Unless they want to sponsor us, in which case I would talk endlessly about it.
>> Yeah, Oura Ring, if you want to sponsor us, I tell everybody about my Oura >> We both recently told our separate
doctors about >> them, and I was like, "Listen, I know" We both of us were like, "Listen, we
know you're medical professionals. >> You're better than a ring, but like this >> But I do have this this data showing
>> Yeah, cuz the Oura Ring's great. >> And in both cases that like both of our doctors were like, "Oh, [ __ ] Yeah,
that's good." >> Yeah. >> So, I I know where I was going with that, but sleep I live and die by my
sleep score and I have yet to crack a 90. >> You've never gotten a 90? >> I don't think I've ever gotten above the
80s. >> Wow. These kids got to let you sleep. >> Yeah. >> Even when they do, you just don't.
>> Yeah, I don't think you >> get the deep sleep that you should. >> I'm enjoying my 90s while I have them.
>> Yeah, your 90s? >> Yeah. >> Um well, you know what? You're not going to sleep after hearing this story.
>> Oh, story. >> Yeah, both of these stories. We both have I don't even know what the freak to
classify this as. >> Yeah. >> It's just a weird phenom- phenomenon. A phenom. A phenom.
>> And you have a haunting? >> And I have a straight-up haunting. All right, so let's talk about my weird
phenomenon first. >> that. >> So, on Tuesday, September 8th, 1987, we're taking it back to the 80s.
>> Let's go. >> I was born. >> Period. >> You were 2 years old. >> I was. >> Um Minnie Winston was not. She was 77
years old. >> Oh, damn. >> And she had spent the day taking care of her husband, William Willie Winston.
>> William Willie Winston, Minnie Winston and Willie Winston. >> it. >> Uh he was 79 and sadly his health was
declining more and more recently. And these days he was on dialysis. Minnie was the one who brought him to and from
his appointments and then took care of him afterwards at home. She was a good wifey.
>> Yeah. >> Not only that, but she kept up with the house that they lived on on 1114
Fountain Drive in Atlanta, Georgia, baby. >> Okay. >> Hotlanta. By 1987, they had lived for about 22
years. This particular Tuesday, though, it had been a long [ __ ] day for Minnie. She
was ready for some relaxation at the end of the night and where do we go to relax, girlies? The bath.
>> I was like >> loves a bath. >> like, where do we go? >> You don't like a bath?
>> Uh I'm not a real bath person. I like a shower. >> I find that so odd. >> I like a nice everything shower.
>> I too love an everything shower, but to me there's nothing like a bath. So and Minnie felt the same. So she drew
herself one and she soaked for a little bit. She got that relaxation just all in
there. And then she took a moment to rest her mind, but it was not not long-lived. As
she was getting out of the bath, the worst part of taking a bath, she realized that there were little droplets
of blood on the bathroom floor. So she called out to her husband who up until that point had just been resting after
his long day. He came barreling out of the room when he heard the fear in Minnie's voice and
he too saw the blood on the floor. Now for a quick second Minnie felt relief that nothing had happened to him,
but then quickly she shifted her attention back to the blood on the floor. Where the [ __ ] did that come
from? They didn't have any pets in the house, but she was like maybe some kind of animal got in here.
Now Willie took on the task of searching around their six-room house and quickly realized that
there were pools of blood in almost every single room. >> I'd be concerned. >> Yeah. It was also seeping from the walls
and then the reason they were finding pools of blood is because it was pooling on the floor after just seeping from the
walls. >> Oh. >> Yep. It was coming out of crawl spaces that nobody had access to and even
underneath their entertainment center they also found pools of blood. >> What the [ __ ]
>> At one point Minnie said it started spurting quote like a sprinkler from a hole in the bathroom floor.
>> Oh. >> Yeah. So they didn't really know what to do other than call the police. So they
said, "911, we have an emergency. We're just not sure how to classify it." >> Honestly valid.
>> And the police arrived and they checked around the property and they too saw the
blood, but were just as confused as Minnie and Willie were because there didn't seem to be any source that the
blood was coming from, but it was it seemed at least like real blood, like not some other substance, you know, like
leaking from a pipe or anything like that. Yeah, nothing rusty. Just it seemed like straight-up blood.
To be sure, they did check and see if there were any busted pipes and sure enough there were not. There were also
no signs of a break-in and the house had an alarm system that was set earlier that night.
Now when they were asked, Minnie and Willie said they hadn't had any visitors in the last couple of days. So,
no visitors who might have accidentally bled all over the house. Someone crawled into crawl space his
blood in there. >> Yeah, exactly. Then just left to be And we would have noticed earlier.
>> never know with house guests, you know? You just can't be sure. >> Yeah. Have you ever seen Ramona on the
New York Housewives? >> Yeah, that >> Going to the Berkshires. >> might be different.
>> Yeah. >> Not blood, but something else. >> stuff. >> Just ripping sharks off.
Now, a lab tech, Brenda Dipple, was called in to take a sample of the blood and it was sent to the Georgia State
Crime Lab to be to be tested. Steve Cartwright, one of the homicide detectives on the case, said he had
never seen anything like this during his 10 years on the force. And he went on to
say that he said, "It was an extremely strange situation. I'm guessing it was an animal. Hope that's all it was."
>> Because it wasn't That's I mean, what else could it be? >> Here's the thing though, sorry to
[ __ ] disappoint you, Mr. Steve. When the blood came back from the lab, in fact, it was confirmed to be human blood
and it was type O positive to be specific. >> Wasn't me. >> Wasn't you. >> I wasn't bleeding all over that house.
>> Uh it wasn't me cuz I wasn't alive, but I don't know my blood type. >> That freaks me out that it came back
human. >> Yeah. >> Like I don't think we properly sat on that. >> Well, do you We didn't because we have
to get to the most important part. Minnie and Willie both had the same blood type.
Type A. Which is not O positive. >> So, it wasn't their blood either and they were the only two [ __ ] people
that lived there. >> Who, what, when, where, why? >> don't like it. So, the police were able
to determine that no homicide had taken place at the residence, but other than that, they were very stumped as to how
this amount of type O human blood just started seeping from the walls and shooting through the floor.
>> That's That's such a valid inquiry. >> Yeah, safe to say they had never experienced anything like that.
Rumors started to fly around Fulton County once this started getting out there. People were guessing everything
from paranormal to obviously some kind of hoax. Media was gathered outside of the house 24/7 to the point where Minnie
started to get agitated, too, especially because of the state that her husband's
health was in. >> Yeah. >> If they needed to leave the house to get to a doctor's appointment or if some
kind of emergency happened, it would have been dangerous to get through all those people.
Now, time went on and there were still no, I guess you would say, leads in the case. Once the detectives were able to
determine that there was no foul play involved, they really didn't have time to just figure out what this was. Like,
they had to shift their attention to more pressing matters. >> Yeah. >> Uh 1987 in Fulton County, Atlanta was
intense, to say the least, too. >> You don't say. >> There was a lot of racially
racially charged crimes taking place, a couple including the police departments,
too. 19-year-old Lamar Montgomery had been shot and killed by an officer who claimed self-defense, but it was
determined to be otherwise when they found the gunshot in the back the back windshield, meaning that Lamar had
driven his car past the officer and not into the officer like the officer said. >> Damn.
>> Now, when detectives couldn't figure out what had gone on in the house, they tried to say that it was some kind of
hoax. One of the lead detectives on the case, Horace Walker, spoke to a group of
skeptics in 1994, and he told them two reasons why this thing this entire thing could have been a hoax. He said, "There
were some family problems going on between the parents and the children." Willie and Minnie had three kids, one of
whom Horace claimed worked at a hospital and had access to blood. >> Oh. >> So, Horace threw out the idea that maybe
their daughter got the blood from the hospital and was somehow able to plant it in the house for like some kind of
gain. He thought maybe that was Yeah. He thought maybe that gain was financial to the daughter if she was
able to use the incident to prove that her parents were unwell or unstable. >> Oh.
>> So, but I don't know, maybe she wanted that. He I think from his theory maybe
she wanted the house and she could get them into like a care facility or something like that.
>> Yeah. >> He also though floated the idea and I feel like this is really mean. That
Willie could have gotten the blood from the hospital because he was always in and out of the hospital since he was on
dialysis. I was like, I think they're like keeping track of him while he's there.
>> Yeah, and like here's the thing, it's not like super easy to just snag blood as a patient out of the hospital.
>> I've never attempted. >> I mean, as far as I know >> Okay. >> it's it's not easy to just to just grab
and go. >> I wouldn't think. >> They don't have it in like a freezer like at a convenience store where you
can just like grab it all a cart. >> No, it's not like where you like there you they offer you a jello and they say
you can get it the blood's not in there. >> And you it's like, I could get a jello
or I could get a a bag of blood. >> Yeah, no. Well, his idea behind Willie getting the
blood was so that he or so that the couple could gain the attention that they were looking for from their
children. Which I was like, I feel like >> so sad. >> Well, and that's really mean to float
that idea and two, I think they could do like a million other things to get that
attention. >> They could do literally any other thing. >> Yeah. >> And I also think that's so sad.
>> Yeah, it really is. And anyway, in the beginning of the investigation, officers
were searching blood banks and they found that no blood had gone missing. >> Yeah, oh, even weirder.
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>> Being in your house, vibing, and then there's blood dripping down the wall. I
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>> Yeah. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's not even like a big dramatic moment at
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>> Which honestly is a very specific kind of panic that exists outside of haunted
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the case is Kurt Rowlette. He writes about the bleeding house in his book labyrinth 13 true tales of the occult
crime and conspiracy. He actually got the chance to interview Minnie Winston a while after that night
in September when all the blood just appeared. What a crazy story. >> house started bleeding.
>> Yeah. He asked her if anything paranormal had happened in all the time that she and Willie had lived in the
house and Minnie kind of dodged the question never giving him a straight answer. But she did tell him that she
was satisfied now that the substance oozing from the walls and shooting from the bathroom floor wasn't actually
blood. She said it was mud and rust mixed with water that came into the house because of a ruptured hot water
heater in the basement. >> Mhm. >> And she went on to say if she thought the substance was actually blood there
was no way she'd still be living in the house. >> I my here's my problem. Where's the mud that we can find that's
type O positive? >> Exactly. >> Okay. >> Exactly. >> Clearly I think Minnie was just freaked
out by the whole incident and probably had to convince herself otherwise to live in her home.
>> I I too would probably do that. >> Yeah. So she got to the point where she was like oh no it's not blood. The the
water heater did burst and it was rust. >> Yeah. It's you know know, lab said it's
human blood but like what do they know? Wrong-o, you know? >> Yeah, wrong-o literally.
>> Wrong-o. So, sadly Minnie's husband died 2 years after that night. >> At 81 years old. Minnie actually lived
to be 104. >> Winnie? >> And she never commented on whether or not she thought the house was haunted.
Or Minnie, sorry. I said Winnie. >> Oh, did I say Winnie first? >> Maybe. I don't know.
>> Minnie, excuse me. >> done that. >> I'll I'll take fault with you. You know what? We'll both forgive each other.
>> Solidarity, sister. >> So, Minnie. >> Minnie. >> Oh, I did say Winnie because I wrote
Winnie. What an [ __ ] I am. No, Minnie lived to be 104. >> 104? >> I know. What a bad [ __ ] Like I want I
want to live to be 140, personally. >> Woah. >> Yeah. >> You're trying to top that?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Personally, I would like to hang out with my kids for like so long.
>> Oh, I get that. >> point where they're like They're like, "Nana, let's get you back
inside." Now, in his book Labyrinth 13th, uh Labyrinth 13, excuse me, Rawlet points
out that this actually isn't the first time in history that blood has just manifested itself seemingly out of
nowhere. >> Love that. >> He wrote of an instance in North Carolina that happened in 1884.
A woman named Kit Lassiter was the first one to report the blood, but quickly other people in the 60-ft area confirmed
what what Kit had seen. She said she was working out in the field of a farm when
she realized that it was raining blood. >> Oh my god. >> It's raining blood. >> And then you don't say hallelujah.
>> just going to say that. >> You say, "Oh, [ __ ] Oh, [ __ ] What do we do?" So, the earth around her she said
started to become stained with this red substance, and it was pooling in some areas almost as big as a finger.
>> Ew. >> Yeah. It was found on the earth where Kit had said, but also in the surrounding area it had stained trees
and was found on bushes and grass. Like she did not make this up at all. >> Did a bunch of birds just like explode
midair? >> Maybe. Dr. Francis Preston Venable was able to test some of the blood that had
fallen, the blood rain, I guess you could call it, and he determined that it was blood, but he could not determine
the exact type. So, maybe a bunch of birds did explode. >> Maybe it did. >> I don't know.
>> I don't know. >> Now, Danny Cherry Jr. hints at a potential reason for why the blood
appeared in Minnie and Willie's home. Before Minnie and Willie had started renting the home, there was a previous
tenant named Albert Thompson. He was a black man working as the director of regional relations with the Federal
Housing Authority during a particularly racially charged time in Fulton County. One night, he was driving home and he
was hit by a trucker. It's unclear whether or not it was intentional because it was not really
investigated very much and the trucker was free to go. Apparently, it was determined that he had faulty brakes,
but there's a lot of mystery surrounding it. >> Yeah, there's a lot of thoughts. Now,
Albert was quickly treated at the hospital, but he later died in his home from internal bleeding that he was left
with after the accident that they did not catch. >> And allegedly, he died on Halloween
night. >> Mhm. >> Now, it's interesting to note that the blood in Minnie and Willie's home
appeared leading up to not only the anniversary of the accident, but also the night that Albert Thompson died.
>> Ooh, interesting. >> Right? Now, Danny Cherry Jr. related the bleeding walls at Minnie and Willie's
house also to the Catholic martyr St. Januarius. >> Mhm. >> St. Januarius was arrested during the
persecution of the Christians. And legend has it that his punishment for hiding fellow Christians would be being
fed to bears. >> Oh. >> But that the public might freak out a little bit about that.
>> Why? >> So, instead, he and the Christians that he protected were beheaded. Now,
cuz they were like, public doesn't care about that. >> They said public might freak out about
bears, beheadings they're still chill with. >> they are super chill with. >> It's okay.
>> Been that way for a while. >> Now, to this day people go to Naples where there's a sample of Januarius'
blood that is said to liquefy three times throughout the year. >> What the [ __ ]
>> That's cool as hell. >> Well, a few years ago the blood didn't liquefy and people took that as a bad
omen because the last time it didn't liquefy was September 19th, 1980. That is the saint's feast day. So, the
believers got especially nervous or they and they do in general if the blood doesn't liquefy on that day.
Rightfully so it seems because there was a devastating earthquake that happened just 2 months later and 3,000 people
were killed. >> Shut up. >> Now, maybe this was the case at Minnie and Willie's house, a sign of something
bad to come or a spirit or an energy that dwelled in the house just fed up with everything going on in the area.
>> Damn. >> Moral of the story though, blood be wildin. >> Blood is crazy. >> I also whenever anybody says blood, I
just think of that old YouTube video where the kid is going blood blood blood. >> Yep.
>> Isn't that wild? >> That's wild and also the blood of Januarius there just made me think of
that I saw this thing that was like how like um Catholic like um aesthetics >> Okay.
>> are just >> metal as hell. >> So metal and that right there is a perfect example like that they just have
like a a little bit of that saint's blood. >> Yeah. >> And it just liquefies a few times a
year. Like that is >> it doesn't >> so cool. >> people [ __ ] panic. >> Yeah, as they should. I feel like you
should. I don't I don't even know what it's about, but sure. >> Are you guys like mad at witchcraft?
That feels pretty [ __ ] witchy to me. >> That feels so witchy, but so cool. It's
all cool. I like that's cool. >> Yeah, stigmata is crazy. >> That's gnarly. >> Yeah.
>> Wow. What a tale. >> Top that. >> Top that? >> Well, I'm going to try to top that
with a Scottish house. Scottish. And it's called the Blacken House. Bless you. It's called the Blacken House. Okay. But
I like how Scottish people say it cuz they say Blacken. >> Okay. >> It was once known to be Scotland's most
haunted home. >> Ooh. >> they have since topped it perhaps, but was once deemed that.
>> Okay. >> Uh so Blacken House is uh it is a gorgeous like Georgian style manor house.
>> Ooh. >> Beautiful. It's like it sits in these like manicured gardens and it's in
Perthshire countryside. >> I like the way that sounds. >> I hope I said it correct. It's gorgeous.
It's sprawling. It's just It looks like you could have your like reawakening in this house.
>> Ah. >> It really does. It's beautiful. >> I think I'm going to reawaken in this
house. >> Precisely. That's Blacken House. It was built in 1806. It was built by a very renowned Scottish
architect, Robert Smirk. Uh it was commissioned for the Stewart family. >> Okay.
>> Uh the Stewart family was said to be descendants of King Robert II of Scotland.
>> Feels like that's a big deal. >> Pretty serious family there. >> Serious. >> In 1835, this estate So it was like in
the family the whole time and it ended passing to Major Robert Stewart. >> Okay.
>> And at the time that it was passed to him, he was in the military. He was serving overseas. I think he was in
India, actually. So it got passed to him while he was over there. So he ended up
renting it out while he was gone. >> Smart. >> Make a little cash. >> Yeah, he was like, "Why not?" So after
he retired, he finally I think he was like 25-30 years in the military. It was a long career.
>> And after he finally retired, he was like, "I'm going to live in Blacken myself."
>> So he did. >> Okay. >> He was eccentric by all accounts. >> Yeah. >> Um people liked him. Like it's not like
he was like mean or anything. He just He was a strange guy. >> We're kind of eccentric.
>> Yeah, I feel like I'm very eccentric, so like I get it. >> People like us. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And he did get hurt, I think, in the military, and he had a limp. >> Aw.
>> So I think like people were mean that made him, quote unquote, eccentric to people.
>> That's eccentric. I think that's just like he's struggling a little bit, maybe.
>> he should just get an injury. But like sure, people. Uh, but people liked him, but he really loved dogs,
which makes me love him. >> keeper. >> That's That's a good sportsman. And he had tons of dogs at Blakenham House.
>> All the dogs. >> Tons of dogs. Loved his dogs. He had a crew of dogs. >> I mean, what's a What's a group of dogs
called? Do you know? >> A litter. >> Is that it? >> A pack or a litter. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. All right, we knew that. >> of dogs, a litter of dogs. >> Yeah. Uh, but it should be something
more fun, though. >> I know. >> Uh, but yeah, he had a favorite who was a black spaniel. I couldn't find what he
named that black spaniel, which I'm upset about. But he loved that black spaniel. It was like his best bro.
>> Aw. >> And he also, when he came back and lived in Blakenham House, he had this like
really intense uh, belief in reincarnation. Like he got very into researching >> I
>> and I transmigration, I think it's called, is when you go into a non-human vessel.
>> Oh, okay. >> So he was very interested in that and believed in it. >> Interesting.
>> You know. >> I find that [ __ ] very fascinating. >> very fascinating, and it's also kind of
comforting. >> What would you come back as? >> I'd want to come back as cuz I'm like, I
don't want to come back as another human. I probably >> a human. >> Yeah, a crow would be cool.
>> A crow would be fun. >> Um, I think that would be rad. I would also I I wanted to say dog because dogs
live like the coolest life, but I'm like, what if you get a shitty owner? Then you got to rely on humans.
>> That is tough. >> That's a gamble. >> I was going to say cat because they sleep so much.
>> That's true. >> And they can like fit everywhere, and they just like bask in the sun. But like
you said, you got to you got to rely on a good owner. >> Yeah. It's tough. >> I know.
>> Humans that have it the earth are so lucky. >> what though? I'm good in this life. Like
I've done good things. >> So I feel I do I wonder, and I don't I've never really looked into it too
much, but I do wonder if part of reincarnation is like >> unfinished >> based on who you were in the last life.
>> That makes sense. >> Like you you'd get good things in the next life. >> Yeah, that'd be sick.
>> Yeah, it's kind of like karma. >> Yeah, like if you're like a [ __ ] person, you come back as a piece of toilet
paper. >> Oh my god, that'd be nice. >> No, even worse. You it need to be like an it would need to be animate.
>> Yeah, that's true. >> Um What if you were really shitty? You should come back as like a rat.
>> Yeah. >> Cuz you are a rat. >> Cuz you're a rat. >> Hear that? >> rat >> But yeah, he was really into that.
>> Okay. >> So >> Anyway, apparently I was really into it, too. >> Super into it. Um and one of his
greatest wishes in life, and he was very expressive about this wish, was that he
wanted to come back as one of his dogs. >> Aw, okay, that's why people said he was
eccentric. >> And he wanted to come back as that spaniel. He just like really wanted to
He was like, "When I die, hopefully they'll be alive still, and I can just transmute right into their
>> Oh my god, that's really cute. >> I think is just nice. >> wanted his soul to intertwine with his
dog's soul. [ __ ] I take back my answer. I'd like to become Dolores. >> Right? And that's the thing. And I feel
also I'm like that thing He wasn't hurting anyone being saying that, you know? >> No.
>> Like just let him be like that. >> I think they did, right? >> Yeah, I think they did.
>> Okay. >> He was very isolated, though. He liked being isolated, I think. He just
>> So they were just respecting his wishes. >> He was in his beautiful manor house in
Blacken >> Okay. >> house, and he was hanging out. Um he didn't really have a whole lot of people
around the house. He also didn't have a lot of like staff at all. >> He liked dogs.
>> At one point he had one single staff person. Like just one person who helped him out. Her name was Sarah and she
lived there. >> All right. >> There was questions and there still remains questions about what that
relationship exactly was cuz he never married. >> Okay. >> Uh and so like you never know. Uh she
was like in her 20s at the time. Like she was um and you know, seemed to be getting along.
And in 1873 though, Sarah, who was only 27 at the time, she died mysteriously and very unexpectedly.
>> Okay. >> Nobody knows what, how. Nobody knows what the circumstances were. >> questioned his belief on reincarnation.
>> know if it's foul play or what. >> Huh. >> It's very It's a little shady. >> That is a little shady.
>> Yeah, but it was also the 1800s and people died if you like looked at them the wrong way.
>> That's very true. And a lot of people claimed that she died in the main bedroom.
>> Huh. >> So that's interesting and that room would later become very central to all
the hauntings. >> Interesting. >> what happened there? >> Murder. >> love to know what happened there.
I think this is one of those situations where like you know how when we did the Sam and Colby
uh investigation at SK Mansion and we were trying to solve the mystery. That would be a good one to do to solve the
mystery. Let's go to Scotland and solve that mystery. >> Uh but 3 years later in 1876,
Major Stewart himself passed away. >> 3 years later? >> Yeah. >> Could it be guilt?
>> At the age of 70. >> Damn, he lived a long ass life. >> Yeah, I know for that time.
>> And in some reports, it does say that he's buried next to Sarah. >> Hmm. >> So I'm like
what's that about? >> Maybe she died in an accident and maybe they were like >> Maybe and they were just they were just
buds. >> Yeah, maybe they were homies. >> I'm really I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt.
>> I know. We're like people going to people and then we're like maybe they were maybe they
>> And they were was nice and kind. >> I just want to believe that. Please just let me have this.
>> Yeah. >> Uh we don't have any evidence to the contrary, so but in his will he requested that his
beloved dogs be allowed to remain at Balmoral Castle. >> Okay. >> Um and he still wanted to come back as
one of those dogs. But he just whoever moved in cuz it was going to pass to a family member. So in the will he just
said please keep my dogs in the house. >> That's a pretty simple request. >> very simple request for a big beautiful
dog. Now trigger warning. >> Oh no. >> Just for animal cruelty. Yeah. >> Meanness.
>> He did have a few siblings, but there was like a lot of uh like a lot of them were just here and
there. You know what I mean? He had a sister named Isabel or Isabella who became a nun at one point. She died in
1880. >> Rip. >> The reason I mentioned her is that possibly comes back later. Just remember
Isabella became a nun. It ended up that the estate ended up passing to his nephew, John Stewart.
>> Okay. >> Who apparently didn't want his uncle to get a chance to come back as one of his
dogs. Uh and he was so put off by this fact that before he and his family moved into
Balmoral Castle, he either executed or had all the dogs executed. >> I hope that he comes back as [ __ ]
>> Yeah. He's a mon- that's monstrous. >> That's horrible. >> This one this one request that is pretty
simple. You just get to hang out with a bunch of [ __ ] dogs in a cool house. >> What the [ __ ] is wrong with you?
>> Wow. >> And this was the real turning point for Balmoral Castle, I would say.
>> It really started off that gnarly energy. Immediately John Stewart's family started to be
haunted. And honestly, I'd haunt the [ __ ] out of my family. Because of all the scary [ __ ] that
started happening, servants and governesses that were liv- like living in the house for them, they refused to
remain in the house unless they were paired together. >> Wow. >> not work unless they were working in
twos. >> They said, "Honey, there is strength in numbers." >> I mean, this whole family wasn't allowed
to sleep because of these hauntings. Like, they were being kept up at night. >> Good.
>> They would hear These are just some of the things that they experienced. They
would hear violent knocking and thumping throughout the halls. Uh heated arguments echoing all over the house
when everyone was sleeping. >> Right. >> Like, full-on pissing matches when like
no one was around to be arguing. >> Not a pissing match. >> Sudden loud explosion sounds.
>> Explosion? >> With no source. >> You guys got to sit with that for a second. You're sitting in your house
straight chilling. >> Yeah. >> And you hear an explosion. And you look for the source and there is
none. >> Yeah. That'll [ __ ] you up. >> There was also footsteps in the like empty corridors and sometimes This is so
scary. Sometimes the footsteps would start walking and then they would start running.
And they would run full speed up to a door that somebody like was in the room and it sounded like they somebody would
throw themselves against the door as hard as they could. >> I have goosebumps. >> Which would [ __ ] me up.
>> All over my back right now. That's some paranormal activity type [ __ ] >> Yeah. No.
>> Ew. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's haunting. >> Yep. One day John's wife was alone in
like the library or the study or the office, whatever it was. She was She said she smelled the overwhelming
smell of wet dog. And then she said she felt multiple like what felt like dogs brush against her
legs. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Which you know those dogs were like, "Hey, you know what's one of the worst
smells known to man? >> Wet dog. >> So, they were like, "Smell it." >> "We got to rub this on your legs,
bitch." >> Now you're going to smell like wet us. >> Oh, wet us is not good. >> No. A maid claimed to like walk into a
hallway and see the upper half of a woman suspended in midair. >> I wonder if they did any renovations cuz
that happens. >> wondered that, too. Or it's just a half woman. >> Yeah, or could be even scarier.
>> That is scarier. >> Uh they would hear a moan sometimes and then it would sound like whatever moaned
fell to the ground. >> Oh, no. They hear a moan and then like a thump. >> So it's not a moan of ecstasy.
>> No, like a bad like I'm dying. >> Oh. >> Um some one of the strangest things they
would see is a spectral nun. >> What was the lady's name? >> Isabella. >> Isabella the nun.
>> It might be Isabella. Maybe she was like, "How dare you not respect his last wishes?"
>> was my brother. So, be nice. >> Apparently, everything was becoming way too much. Obviously, that's a lot to
deal with and he had children. >> Yeah, I mean you you had me at explosions. >> Yeah, exactly. So, eventually John had
an entire new wing built onto Blacken House and moved his entire family into that new wing.
>> Why don't you just move house if you can afford to do that? >> I don't know if they I don't know if
they could. >> Okay. >> At the time, I don't know what the whole shebang was. But they just kind of
abandoned a lot of the original house. >> That feels like it's going to make things much worse.
>> Well, and one of the like maids who worked there or governesses ended up quitting unexpectedly and like fleeing.
And later she was she reported that it was because she simply couldn't handle the haunting anymore.
>> Yeah. >> Um in 1895, John Stewart was in the room because they like abandoned the main
house, but they would have to go in there sometimes for certain things. >> Mhm. >> And he was in the main bedroom.
And he was using the telephone. He was talking to a like a business associate about going to London for business for
business things. >> Yes, business. >> Um and both peo- hit the person on the phone and John heard three huge bangs.
Like knocks, like big knocks. >> Yeah. >> And the person on the phone could hear
it, too. They were like, "What the [ __ ] was that?" >> Shortly after that, John went to London
for this business trip. And while crossing a street near King's Cross Station, he was struck by a a car and
killed. And a lot of people wondered if those three knocks were a warning knock or
like a death omen. >> [ __ ] >> Like, isn't that [ __ ] up? >> Yeah. >> And the rumors and tales of the haunting
of this house like were spreading all over the place. People were terrified to go near it. It became like that place.
>> Yeah. >> Because after he died, they moved out of the house. >> Of course. >> Um in 1892, a Father Hayden, who was a
Jesuit priest in the area, he was invited by I don't remember who invited him, but they said, "You should stay in
the main house and see what you experience and try to like make it chill." >> Yeah.
>> And so make it chill, bro. >> Yeah, make it chill. So, he did. And when he went to bed the first night, he
said he was absolutely tormented by a relentless just string of noises. >> Ew. >> I He said he could hear animals in the
room. Like >> dogs. >> I think he heard dogs. He could hear wailing cries and moaning. He could hear
whimpering of dogs. >> Oh. >> Um he heard knocks against the walls. He heard the person running down the hall
and slamming against the door. >> I think that one [ __ ] me up most of all. >> I Every time you say that, I get full
chills. >> Like, look at my leg. Can you see my goosebumps from across the room right
now? >> It's the worst one. >> I hate it. >> At dawn, he was like, "Nope." And he got
the [ __ ] out of there. Not long after this, a young family moved in. They were super optimistic,
very unaware of what they were moving into. >> They only planned to rent this place for
a year. >> Okay. >> So, they were only going to move in for a year. >> Um >> But and they were excited to do this.
And the haunting started almost immediately. >> Oh, it's not their fault. They didn't
hurt the dog. >> But nobody wants them living there. They heard constant bangs, knocks, and
footsteps again where it seemed like someone would throw themselves against the doors.
>> Ooh, stop saying that. >> They would encounter ice cold spots in the house and would hear groans and
moans, all manner of things. >> Hate it. >> Uh they also saw a white mist-like woman
walking through the halls. I wonder if she's like the half woman, too. And she would just go in and out of the
bedrooms. Like just kind of like >> Maybe she I wonder if maybe she was somebody who had worked there
previously. >> Maybe. >> Like she was just like making >> beds and stuff. >> Yeah.
>> Then one night they awoke to this huge thump in their room. And so they both like shot up in bed.
>> Ugh. >> And the bedsheets got ripped off their bed. >> No. >> Yeah. >> No. >> And it was I believe it was that
I think it was like the next night they were like, "We we got to get out of here." But like the next they were
trying to like just be like, "Okay, maybe this was what happened or this." >> Yeah, I love I mean, you do want to try
to explain things away in the moment. >> next night it really took a turn because
their children woke up screaming and they ran into the room they were in and they were huddled together, absolutely
terrified and yelling that a man was standing silently in the corner of their room staring at them.
>> [ __ ] a whole bunch of that. I'm insane. >> I'm so mad at you because I shaved my
legs this morning and now you've given me goosebumps eight times. God damn it. >> The family who was going to stay there a
year and rented it for a year lasted 11 weeks and then fled. >> 11 weeks? I give them I give them kudos
for that. >> They never returned. >> A man silently staring at the corner of your room.
>> And in 1897, um obviously Blackwood House had become famous and infamous, enough to attract
some paranormal investigators >> Yeah, duh. >> even for the time cuz spiritualism was
definitely booming. >> It was popping off. >> Um so the Society for Psychical Research
members and a bunch of other paranormal researchers and associates, um they wanted to do this like big mass
scale inquiry at the place. So they invited 35 people to come along with them. >> I wish that we had been invited.
>> Why weren't we invited? >> Pre-birth, invite me. >> No, apparently it was all sponsored by a
guy named Lord Bute. >> Yeah. Who was a famous paranormal investigator of the day.
>> Brought to you by Lord Bute. >> Lord Bute. >> This message is sponsored by Lord Bute.
>> And they were going to stay there for about 3 months, everybody. >> 3 months, okay.
>> there for 3 months and they were going to record absolutely everything they experienced while attempting to draw out
the spirits as well with Ouijas and other ways of communication. None were reportedly told about the
haunting ahead of time. Like they weren't told about like what they were going to experience.
>> to a haunted location. >> Yeah, we're just going somewhere, [ __ ] goes down, just record what you see.
Um they were just asked to document. That's it. Uh so of course they got knocks and footsteps, the banging on the
doors. They got sighs. A lot of them reported hearing sighs. Cuz >> They're sick of their [ __ ]
>> Yeah, that's the thing. They're all just sick of this [ __ ] They're like what else do we
have to do? >> Yeah, like we're slamming ourselves against doors every night. >> They One of a few of them documented
that they heard the sound of a priest praying out loud. Which I wonder if it was like mimicking the guy that stayed
there. One of one guy said he woke up and saw a disembodied hand at the foot of his bed
holding a crucifix. Which just saying that makes me shiver. I hate it. Cuz I'm just picturing this creepy ass
hand coming up holding a crucifix. >> All I can picture is Wednesday. >> I hate it.
>> What's the hand called? Is it just called hand? >> Thing. >> Thing. >> Just hand.
>> That's what I picture, Thing. >> Um one of them saw um who they described as a hunchback slowly ascending the main
staircase. Uh they they saw dogs everywhere. A lot of people saw dogs. A lot of people saw
black dogs, black spaniels. >> Um a lot of them would say they heard the sound of dogs' tails wagging and
hitting like floor like uh doors and door frames. Cuz you know that sound, like a wagging tail.
>> a like a thud almost. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a excited dog. >> Mhm. >> Uh one woman woke to hearing a
whimpering dog in her room. And so she immediately lit a candle cuz she was like, "What the fuck?" And she said when
she lit the candle, there was a clear, black dog standing with its paws on the dresser, just looking over at her and
whimpering. And I was like, I would have died. >> I would have been so sad. >> I would have been like, "What can I do
for you, pup?" >> And things got even weirder cuz again, they were doing like Ouija board
sessions. And during one of these like seances they were doing, investigators were told by the spirit to go to a
nearby glen. And so they were like, "Do we listen to it?" And I think some of them were like,
"I'm not going to go to the glen." "Let's [ __ ] go." >> You know that group was divided.
>> Oh, yeah. You know some of them are like, "I am staying in this haunted house. You go to that haunted house."
>> That's like a body of water, right? >> Yeah, like or like just like a like a valley almost.
>> Oh, okay. >> Like a um >> No water? >> Cuz I'm thinking like, "Oh, Danny Boy."
>> The pipes, the pipes >> are calling from glen to glen and down the mountainside. Sorry.
>> I used to work with a waitress who would sing that literally all the time. >> I'm looking it up. It's a narrow,
secluded valley, typically deep in the mountains. >> Okay. >> containing a stream.
>> Ah, see. I knew there was water. >> Uh but that's yeah. That's what I was picturing in my head was like a valley,
like a scoop. >> That's why he said your back hurt. >> I got to say. >> And it really is.
>> Goes hard. >> It really is. >> Poor Danny. >> Poor Danny Boy. Uh but yeah, they were
like, "Go to this nearby glen." And then you know, some of them were like, "Go [ __ ] yourself." And some of them were
like, "Off to the glen we go." >> The glen calls. >> So they followed it. And there,
according to reports, they saw immediately saw a full-body apparition of a nun. And this nun was just walking across the
glen. >> Vibes. >> She looked very distressed at times. She would be crying at times, like weeping.
And they wondered they tried to get her attention, but if they did she would like
disappear and then reappear somewhere else. >> What? >> And they wondered if it could possibly
be Isabella. >> Yeah. >> Maybe. So this was all weird. They ran back to the house and were like, "Fuck
that shit." The findings of this whole inquiry were later published in 1899 under this the title The Alleged
Haunting of B House. >> I feel like it's more than alleged. >> And someone later and it's like in I
forget where it is now. It's it is somewhere these papers. And someone later wrote Bleakinn in pencil on this
on the original report report which is really funny. >> it what it is." >> B House, it's Bleakinn House.
>> Yeah, I don't necessarily suspect the house. >> And that it remain I think it actually a
fire might have burned it mostly to the ground so we actually can't go. >> We can't go.
>> Now that I think about it. >> Can we go to the remains? >> We could go to the remains, I think.
>> I might bum me out. I know. >> I don't want to be around sad dogs. >> sad dogs.
>> Like I want to be around them if I can soothe them. >> Yeah. But otherwise, nay.
>> I want to help the sad dogs. >> Oh, what a sad story. >> I know. >> What a horrible haunting.
>> Bleakinn House. >> Bleakinn. That's fun to say. >> Wow, girl. >> Yeah. So there's that.
>> Blood and hounds. >> Blood and Bleakinn. Blood and Bleakinn. >> There it is. >> That's what we should name the episode,
Blood and Bleakinn. >> Blood and Bleakinn. >> Well, I need a fun fact after all of
that. >> I too need a fun fact. >> Sorry if I sounded weird. I grazed the microphone with my shoulder.
>> She actually punched it. With her full fist. >> You shouldn't tell them that. Let's talk
about farts. >> Let's talk about it. >> Sloths are very slow. They're also slow at digesting and that
is because they Wait, no, sorry. It's not because they're just slow. But because they digest food so slowly, they
have to breathe out their farts because they can't actually fart. So, you know that that Glow Up song
where she's like, "Did that is that your breath or did you just fart? Is that your heart did you Is that your heart
did you Is that your breath or did you just fart?" You know that song? You got I don't know where that was
going to end. My girl, what? Were you just listening to that or something? >> I would just like to mention that I
predicted that this was going to happen because I asked >> that fact? >> No. I Remember yesterday when I was
like, "Imagine if you farted out of your mouth instead of your Remember when I said that to you yesterday?"
>> You did. I didn't even think of that. >> I am a psychic everyone. >> Wow. Wow.
>> Yeah, sloths breathe out their farts. >> That's hilarious. >> So, that is their breath and they just
farted. >> Damn sloths. >> All right. Wow. >> Thanks for listening to this crazy ass
show. We hope you keep listening. >> hope you >> keep >> it >> but not so weird that you as a human
breathe out your farts because that would be disgusting. >> Yeah. >> Bye. >> Bye.
>> Mhm.

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A house in Atlanta bled from the walls, while Blacken House in Scotland is haunted by ghostly apparitions and strange noises.

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Launch of New Merch. The hosts excitedly announce the launch of their new merchandise.
AI Robots Chasing Boars. Discussion about a robot in Poland that chases wild boars, raising concerns about AI.
Mysterious Blood Incident. A couple discovers blood seeping from their walls, leading to a baffling investigation.
Minnie Winston's Muddy Mystery. Minnie Winston claims the substance in her home wasn't blood but mud and rust.
Blood Rain in North Carolina. In 1884, Kit Lassiter reported blood raining down on her farm, confirmed by others.
The Eccentric Major Stewart. Major Stewart, who lived in Blacken House, had a strong belief in reincarnation.

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