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an a sticker on my car and obvious access or night to the campus I was picking up some very lovely young women
you know what we were talking about as we're driving around almost as often as not this guy that's going around doing
this stuff and the second they started talking that they didn't realize it but they were getting a free ride I couldn't
touch that with a 10-ft pole I swear you know but they' be telling me what all about this guy and there comparing notes
and speculating on what he looks like how he carries himself why he's doing this stuff telling me about it it's
getting easy iier to do I was getting better at it I was getting less detectable I started flaunting that
invisibility severing a human head two of them at night in front of my mother's residence with her at home my neighbors
at home upstairs their picture window open the curtains open 11:00 at night the lights are on all they have to do is
walk by look out and I've had it why did you keep the heads why'd you cut them off and why did you keep them something
out of my childhood I could put it on an incident I mean my father chopping the heads off
of our two pet chickens and my mother insisting that I eat them for dinner uh you know we could say it was
something that simple I don't think it was now my dad heads out back with a hatchet I got on my bike and I rode I
tried to stop it I remember that I got on the bike rode around the block I was crying haven't talked about that for a
lot of years I'm sure that may have implemented something that may have gotten something rolling but along
fantasy lines but it took a lot of years of development along those lines to really get off but how are you able to
in one minute have someone's head in your hands and very shortly there living through a
fantasy however that would relate to that severed head and then 5 minutes later I'd put that away and there' been
a knock on the door and I'd put it away and answer the door and the land lady would be there and we discuss it discuss
what reality her reality not mine some people go crazy at that point I felt it it was
one hell of a tweak I mean to just flip out and not know where I was to be walking up the stairs with a camera bag
that belonged to a young woman that had her severed head in it walking up to my apartment past a
happy young couple coming down the stairs who nodded and smiled at me as they went by good evening and they're
going out on a date where I'd love to be going and I'm aware of both of these realities and the the distance between
those two was so dramatic so amazing so violent that that really I can feel the wheel squeaking inside that was really
pulling on it and I imagine at that point some people break but I didn't literally go insane I didn't get
[Music] lost Edmund keer was committed to the at Tuscadero state hospital for the
criminally insane he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia this was a unique
situation though we have young Ed keer living at the state hospital for the criminally insane keeping in mind Ker's
high IQ now add in Ker's personality he is of the type that flourishes in this environment think about it he's the type
that if you put him in a situation he's been rejected his entire life all he wants to do is feel like he fits in or
not have to be in a situation of being rejected again this is not up to him to be there he's required to be there
considered by most to be a model inmate so he's granted Privileges and one of these privileges is that he is
delivering test and test results to from office to office so during the course of
this time when he's running these tests and running the results of these tests from one office to another he's reading
them he's perusing the files he's looking through the papers he's memorizing things diagnosis treatments
desired results all of this stuff so later he would be able to manipulate this system he's in there he's talking to
psychiatrists he's talking to people studying him he's talking to people that are trying to treat him and he's he's
able to give them answers and responses that may not be truthful that may be learned behaviors learned responses he's
in fact learning what they want to hear from him well do you believe that at this age that Ed wanted to be fixed
himself I don't know I don't know that he considered there to be something wrong wrong with him in the
sense that we would consider there to be something wrong with him he considers there's that there's something wrong
with him because he's rejected by everybody that's been in his life so he knows hey there must be something wrong
with me because I've been rejected by all these people but what we see is somebody that has killed two people
that's very different than what he sees right he kind of sees himself more as a victim where we see somebody that
couldn't cope couldn't handle whatever his environment was in his reaction to such was killing two innocent people
regardless we we will never know if he wanted to be fixed cured whatever you want to label it we will never know if
he even wanted to receive treatment we will never know if the treatment actually in fact worked when
you're given all the answers to a test how does anyone determine if you actually learned anything right you know
he's essentially just memorizing what they want to hear from him what they want his response to be and at this time
you know you and I kind of chatted yesterday a bit about well he could have been a mass murderer at age 15 and then
we probably would have locked them up forever and that's you're more likely right than I am in that conversation
that we had of course well not of course you we can't just brush it aside so quickly no I meant because it was coming
from me well you're you're not just right because you are who you are Captain the thing is in this country at
that time late in the 60s in the early 70s especially in California and look Californians don't
get all upset with the colonel I didn't do this I wasn't the I can't go back and
change history but what the history of it is is our country not just in California but especially in
California this country was was hellbent on the thought of Rehabilitation at that
time right you know know we talked on this show several times about why was there so many serial killers in the 70s
and 80s well it it has there's so many factors that go into that but some of that is the simple thought of this we
have at the time California going you know what oh you killed two people we can fix
you let's just talk let's lock you up for a little bit we're going to and not only that we're going to surround You by
other people that we've deemed to be not only violent but criminally insane yeah
and your IQ depending on who you talk to could be near genius level as high as 146 we're going to put you in an
environment that you can learn from our doctors which we want you to learn from our doctors right yeah it's not going to
be a basement there's not going to be rats we want you to learn from the treatment right mhm guess what you don't
want a 6'9 300 lb guy with an IQ of 146 to learn from the criminals that you've surrounded him with the adult criminals
the criminally insane people that you've surrounded him with he's now learning from them as well and the problem that
we had back in the the late 60s was we were doing this with killers and I say we because other states were doing it as
well we're still doing it on some level we were doing it with killers and we were doing it with uh child molesters
and people that would would would reoffend and were like well we can fix it and you know one big problem that
this country had and a lot of countries had back then was we didn't never have a
good understanding of these people that were raping children at that time we were almost identifying it as something
to being equal as homosexuality which of course now we're all educated and smart
enough to know that they have nothing to do with one another right never have and
never will and so back then we thought we could even cure something like that and we just throw them back out on the
streets and we would see oh they also thought they could cure homosexuality they would have these they still to this
day think they can and they have these these uh Church groups that you go out you know all men church group that go
out in the woods and and and they can pray away the gay well and of course you know we we've we've discussed it on our
show several times you know even States like Texas Florida Ohio everybody was releasing these very dangerous
individuals and then you have somebody as smart as Edon keer and look I'm not blaming the system especially in this
specific instance because we have a guy that was smart enough to figure out a way to manipulate the system right okay
so we can't blame the system for being tricked yeah but you know we need to take a look at some of these systems
that we've had in place for years and and correct some of that stuff well and that that's what I think we've learned
throughout these last few decades is really how quote unquote curable is what somebody be that's already committed
double homicide right maybe the method for releasing this individual is not to just have him check in once a week with
somebody and go talk to him and the person goes yeah he's still fine yeah cuz he's fine until he's not right he's
fine until he's not's fine until he's decapitating somebody he was fine for 15 years until he shot his grandmother in
the back three times right Ed keer is released to his mother's care which is another horrible idea oh this is great
the person that he hates the most during the talking yeah you think they would have figured that out like go we can't
release him to the mother you know what I will say in the defense of those that were helping him with his treatment at
the time they did tell the state you can't release him to his mother like you could the dad probably didn't want him
you could release this guy yeah but see that's the problem when a lot of a lot of states and I know that it varies from
state to state but from my understanding California I believe Ohio is the same way California even as an adult if
you're like pared if they release you on parole the first thing before considering you for parole they say well
where are you going to go to live well you've been in prison you don't you don't you haven't had a job you don't
have any money you don't have a residence so you have to go live with somebody else somebody has to agree to
take you in Ed keer has nobody but mama and Mama probably didn't want to take him in either but right she does for
whatever reason and so he's released to her care so now he's on parole and he's like we said 6' n he weighs 280 lbs
heavyweight champion of the world well and he's released into a world that he just simply doesn't understand yeah you
know he spent more than a quarter of his life locked up and with people older than him well he he also says things
like that like I I I couldn't even imagine what it wouldd be like to go talk to a female mhm that's kind of odd
yeah I mean like maybe at first like when you're 10 it's a little strange after that it's like yeah it might be
frightening to people but it's like if you find yourself in conversation like in the line at a you know Burger King to
get a whopper or something you find yourself talking to a lady that's not that strange to 98% of the the men out
there yeah and I mean but we have this though too we have the thought of you know keep in mind the people his age in
196 California they were free-spirited California they almost spoke a different language than keer and as you said he
had no experience with with women but I mean as a young adult he had no experience being out in the real world
as a young adult this is my issue with when they're always talking about almost genius level IQs but not smart enough to
figure out so much [ __ ] in life but I don't know that he had the tools to be equipped to do so and regardless I mean
I was thinking about this the other day you know let's say he's out and he's talking to um a woman his age right or
you know older younger whatever it doesn't matter where'd you go to high school oh I didn't go to high school
because I shot my grandparents and I've been locked up in a house hospital for the criminally insane right for the past
five or six years but I was a good patient yeah and I helped the staff well not only is he out but like we said he's
in his mother care or living with his mother and once again he's experiencing her verbal abuse right now he did get
his GED once he was out and he wanted to be a police officer but instead he landed at a job with the California
division of Highways he saved his money and eventually purchased a yellow 1969 Ford Galaxy vehicle this is a two-door
car mhm so for 2 years Ed is working he's trying to adjust to civilian life trying to fit in he's you know just out
there living doing his thing uh he's with his mother in Santa in the Santa Cruz area his mother now separated from
her third husband she's working as a secretary at the newly open University of California Santa Cruz Ed with his car
made a practice of picking up the beautiful young college female students that were you know in the area looking
for a ride looking to Hitch hike which was very common back then well and wasn't this because since his mom worked
at the school he had some kind of school identification on his vehicle yeah he had some kind of sticker I don't know if
it was for parking purposes or just to be able to get on and you know onto the campus area and drive around well but
that was probably so good for him be because if especially if you go to a small College when you see that sticker
on somebody's car or you see that thing hanging from their mirror it almost makes you like reassured that they're
okay this person's okay yeah you identify with them and you probably would think uh maybe they're a student
you know so looking to get into a car looking to hitchhike somewhere you would be willing to get in his vehicle seeing
the sticker is the general thought now he drove a lot of young women around for a long time and I actually believe
captain that he thought that maybe this might lead to a date or some type of relationship because we have an
individual that doesn't seem to have the means or the ability of meeting people very well but hey if I do something nice
if I offer you a ride now we're we're locked and loaded here right we're sitting together we're on a journey
together I'm going to take you somewhere I'm doing you a favor we can strike up a
conversation yeah if you can be Charlie cool about it but when you're pulling up
rolling down your window in your banana hammock and you're going oh Excuse Me Miss would you like a ride I can give
you a ride in my car well fairly quickly I would guess this letting women into his car picking women up for hitchhiking
purposes probably very quickly became more about his violent sexual fantasies and just like he learned in the hospital
he is now going to start to try some different tactics to see what works and what doesn't work
okay so you referenced the sticker on his car probably helped him pick up some young women he also said that he had a
look like he had a a specific style of sunglasses that he would wear just when he wanted to pick up hitchhikers he also
had a move too that he would do that when asked if he could give them a ride he would try to act like he was annoyed
like he had somewhere to go like you know looking at his watch and going oh I guess I guess I can help you out
that way to let their guard down that he's not so eager just to get this individual into his vehicle right he
says that he started taking things a bit further each time like he would start veering off of the natural route to
where they wanted to go or start taking them to a secluded location where they didn't want to go right so kind of the
the thought process here is well I'm going to turn right instead of left here and let's see how react yeah yeah worst
case scenario they go uh no you're not supposed to turn right here and you could always play dumb oh I'm sorry I I
took the wrong path eventually he takes this to the point of he starts to keep a
gun in the car with him when he's picking up women yes that way so when they go you should have turn left and
not right he just pulls the gun out and go don't you tell me how to drive on May
7th 1972 keer was driving when he picked up two 18-year-old hitchhikers these women were from the Fresno State
University they were students this is Mary Anne peshi and Anita Luca after driving for an hour he drove
to a secluded wooded area NE near Alam which he was familiar with from his work at the highway
department there he intended to rape the women but while he was locked up he learned from serial rapist to not leave
Witnesses so here's an issue for him he's decided that he wants to rape at least one of these women think about Ed
keer he's 6'9 almost 300 lb he's easily identifiable so he decides hey I learned
from these guys while I was locked up not to leave any Witnesses if somebody's 5 fo10 white guy brown hair he's
probably you know you could identify that individual to police and you not find him or home in on him so quickly
you say hey this guy was a giant he wore glasses and he drove a yellow vehicle they're going to home in on him fairly
quickly yeah so what he decided to do is he tied up the girl that he wanted to rape and he put Anita Lessa in the trunk
of the vehicle he attempted to rape peshi however he was unable to do so and when he couldn't get it up he got angry
with her and he took it out on her and he decides to stab maryan pesi right even though that we heard in the
interview he claims that his stuff works well he stabs her to death and eventually he
realizes crap I got this other person in the car I can't just let her go now she's in the trunk she doesn't know
what's happened but I can't just let her go now so he goes back to the the trunk
he lets her out and he opens it up and tells her that hey she sees blood on his hands and he tells her hey your friend
got out of control got crazy with me I had to punch her I think I broke her nose you're going to want to come check
on her you're going to want to come make sure that she's okay and as soon as she
turns her back on him he stabs her both of these these women at least one of them he slit their throat we have this
situation too where afterwards he kind of goes into an immediate Panic he closes the trunk he's now got
one of the victims inside of there and he believes that he he can't find his keys yeah he starts to panic thinking
that he locked his keys in the trunk of the car and now he's screwed he's got at
least one body in there at this point he might have had two because he did he did
ultimately transport both of them with two of both of them being in the trunk right so he's panicking he's thinking
crap I've locked my keys in there with these two victims he starts to panic he trips over his gun that he dropped on
the ground and he says that when he fell this kind of brought him to like he kind
of had a Moment of clarity there realizing that his keys were in fact in his back pocket he never kept his keys
in his back pocket he says he finds him in the back pocket picks up the gun that
he had that he used to control the women to begin with and now he's going to drive so he can dismember these bodies
and dispose of them on the way to his destination he gets pulled over for a tail light he's got a busted tail light
it's always a busted tail light now I wonder if that was busted before if it or if it got busted during the the
tussle that I don't know that's that's that's interesting but he did he's able to weasel his way out of you know the
the office officer doesn't search his vehicle obviously well of course not so he's able to make it back to his
destination and I'm not going to go through all the details but much like Ted Bundy and other individuals that
we've discussed before on this show Ed keer was a necrophiliac okay yeah he couldn't have
normal sexual relations or sexual intercourse with a living breathing woman hey like to have sex with their
heads yeah well and their bodies frankly we don't need to I said we weren't going
to go into details thanks Captain so he was a necrophilia sometimes it needs to be said and he would dismember these
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cheers captain on the evening of September 14th 1972 keer picked up 15-year-old Korean dance student IU coup
cp's family did not own a vehicle and she got permission from her mom to go to a dance competition so she was to take
the bus well after missing her bus she hitchhiked keer offers her a ride so he drives to a remote area pulling a gun on
coup before he accidentally locked himself out of his car W so you believe it it will happen well coup let him back
inside the vehicle and then keer choked her unconscious raped her and killed her
but this is after he pulled the gun on her correct he packed her body into the trunk of his car and went to a bar and
had a few drinks then back at his apartment he did all of the terrible things that we've already discussed
earlier before dismembering and disposing of the remains in a similar manner manner as his previous two victim
is this when he's going to the bar uh that the cops like to go to I don't know what bar he went to that night but yes
there was a bar that he frequented called The Jury Room and this was a bar that was the regulars were pretty much law
enforcement right and he he made a lot of friends he would go in there he's I mean we we've already said this from the
interviews that they have of him online he's easy to talk to he's a talker and he would go in there and he would buy
drinks for the officers they would buy drinks for him they would sit around drinking beers and talking about you
know everything you know everything from the weather to these missing coads well
he would talked so much he he actually knew that he was kind of annoying because how much he actually talked but
I believe in one of the interview interviews he was stating that he knew just don't bring up any of these murders
or any of these cases because if you do then you might become a suspect right and you know for a while with these
three missing individuals you know he knows that he's killed them but for a while they were simply missing persons
cases right you know they all three of them had disappeared we have coup's mother who she phones the police saying
hey my daughter didn't show up to this dance competition she was supposed to take the bus I've never seen her ever
again she phones police and and reports her daughter as missing so for a while they're just simply missing persons
cases eventually they're going to start finding the body parts of these different victims now in January of 73
keer picked up Cindy Shaw um and we would have the same result you know she's never seen again and in February
the following month he picks up Roslin Thorp and Allison Lou so what we're seeing here Captain is what we see often
with these serial offenders we're seeing an increase in the speed in the rate of
the crimes it's like he can't control his urges or fantasies well and there's less of a cooling off period so very
quickly he's getting to the next victim so to speak m so we talked about keer wore special glasses that he thought
made him look more like a college student made him look a little hipper you know he drove the vehicle that he
had the campus sticker on the vehicle yeah keer the original hipster and then he also had different things that he
would do like I said he would pretend to be in a hurry looking at his watch when
asked if he could give somebody a ride the other move that he did which is terrifying and it's really well thought
thought out though on his part is once he would get these hitchhikers into his vehicle think about his vehicle it's a
twodo vehicle so if you're in the back you're already at a huge disadvantage MH because the whole idea that he has is
he's going to drive you to a secluded area and then he's going to pull a gun on you well if you have the ability to
flee that's your opportunity you got to get out of Dodge as quick as possible if
you're stuck in the back seat you're going to have a difficult time getting out of that vehicle also take in
account that he's 69 so his wingspan His Arms Reach the other door the passenger door pretty
easily well that was one of his moves so he would only have a victim in the back
seat if more than one hitchhiker got in at a time right you know cuz the natural
thing is to ride shotgun so what he would do is he would reach over his passenger and he would say oh I don't
think your door door is shut all the way and then he would open the door you know
using the the little latch open up the door close it shut and in the same motion he would drop a tube of chapstick
down into the door so what it creates is it it prevents you from using that latch
to open the door you couldn't he's not locking the door in front of you which would be an obvious move making you
uncomfortable right he's unbeknownst to you he's dropped this tube of chapstick down there now if you go for the latch
it doesn't connect and you can't open the door from the inside of the vehicle right and and a lot of the doors now
when you go to open them if they're locked they'll unlock automatically or whatever they do but this is back in the
day but wasn't it Bundy that just didn't have a handle yeah he Bundy did all kinds of things remember he actually had
um he he altered the seats in his vehicle in some form too oh yeah remember he had him like he took the
screws out of him so if he need needed to just push a chair back or hide it he could right and in 73 that attack in uh
February with on the two young women he actually by this point he's in a bit of a frenzy because remember we talked
about with his first victims as an adult he drives out into the middle of nowhere
there's a bit of interaction between these victim and killer leading up to the killing right with his last victims
I think I personally think he's in a bit of a frenzy because he doesn't even bother to get them very far away from
where he picks them up and he shoots both of them he talks about how after the killing this paranoia of that that
he's going to be caught right away that everybody's coming to get him I wonder if that started setting in right when he
picked up the victim I think that he had developed what he likes to do to the victims and he wanted to get to that as
quick as he could mhm and what I mean by that as we said earlier is he can't he can't have normal intercourse or sexual
relations or or normal relationships with people the way that normal people can right so he wants to get straight to
having sex with their head or yeah he wants to get straight to the necrophilia as soon as possible because you know he
can create hope nobody's to eating their lunch yeah but he can create and make up
all these reasons why who he is you know and how he turned out and what he why he
does what he does well that's because one time when his when he was eight years old his dad I'm just joking but in
the end the reality is this is his this is his sexual fantasy right and it's now
how can I get to that as soon as possible and that's what's tough about some of the interviews for me is can we
learn something to possibly see this early early signs in a child and maybe stop this behavior from happening or is
some of this just complete [ __ ] to justify their fantasy their sexual um fantasies well I think it's a way to
rationalize it right you know either for themselves or for everybody else to understand that this is why they did
what they did but in this situation he shoots both of these young women he actually gets pulled over
with them in the vehicle I mean he's not moved them to the trunk of the vehicle he gets pulled over mhm and he he had
wrapped both of them up to the neck area in a blanket and they were both kind of
just like you know their heads leaning against the door and the other victim head leaning against that victim if that
makes sense yeah they're they're both like one sleeping on the other gotcha yes when he gets pulled over he tells
the officer that both of these women are drunk and he's returning them home M actually he's returning them to his home
but he doesn't tell the officer that right and the officer believes him and he goes on about his way and we've seen
this with several several different serial killers that in these moments some of them are able to not panic Not
freak out and just kind of offer up an explanation as to what's going on and they get sent along their way we saw it
with Bundy you know we saw it with uh BTK but it wasn't necessarily an officer it was um I I think it was another scout
leader or somebody that heed to dmer yeah D yes dmer did almost this exact same thing well for years he's had
hatred towards his mother now he's going to turn that against her and not these co-eds yeah at some point keer finally
realized that his Ultimate Fantasy was killing his mother now it's difficult to say how long he planned such an act it's
likely months or at the very least probably every time that they got into an argument because you have heard in
the interviews he will often reference that him and his mom we got into a bad argument on this night and then I went
out driving around right and so we do know from these interviews though that he was at least actively seriously
planning to kill his mother for about a week or so before he finally did this was 2 days before Easter Sunday on
gooday Friday 1973 keer decided to kill his mother he battered her with a hammer
stabbed her with a knife and he cut off her head and of course he did all of the
other things that we've already discussed that he did with the other bodies M and then we have Sally howlet
this was his mother's best friend he once he cools off he calls her up and invites her over to dinner mhm so she
shows up expecting to have dinner with Ed keer and his mother and as soon as she enters the place he gets behind her
this giant and he basically picks her up with with his arms and he's he's strangling her in midair MH and she dies
pretty quickly many people have suggested captain that given his homicidal obsession with his mother that we are
supposed to think that maybe killing his mother like exercised the demons that tormented Ed throughout his life
because this would kind of be the end of his Killing Spree well let's stay on this murder for a second because didn't
he also say that she went out with a friend and she was drinking and then she came home and uh he'd like pass by her
room or something and she made like some snarky comment like she always does right like oh I suppose you want to stay
up all night talking now yeah now is it true or false cuz I know and look it's your right I mean you don't want
to you're not one for the Gory details but is this just a part of M hunter or was this actually what
happened cuz he claims in M hunter that he took her Linex yeah and and put it in
the garbage disposal there are many different versions of that same story so I believe there's got to be some truth
to it mhm and if you want to take it to the most extreme he says something to the Appo to well the way The Story Goes
anyway I couldn't find his exact words on this right mind you there's like hundreds and hundreds of hours of of
interviews with Ed so can you please say it in his voice I I don't I don't think
I can do it you're not you're not going to even try I don't think though that I think the listeners would like to hear
you try your best you I think the listeners would like to hear you try but see that's how Cameron that's how
Cameron Britain talks that's not how Edmond keer talks but that's still hey that's still Ed keer impersonation now
yeah he's he's he's got the character spot on in the sense that Ed's very matter of a fact matter of fact right
you know he just kind of says what he did he has the look in his eyes the look in his eyes are very similar to Ed's yes
they are they're they're 100% so it let's take this story to the most extreme that I've ever heard mhm you the
most version of the story is that after killing his mother he couldn't silence her voice that she was still nagging and
bitching at him even in death so he he decided to remove her lck and her tongue and throw it down the garbage
disposal and when he turned on the garbage disposal pieces of that or the whole thing came back out at him to
which later he told law enforcement is it made sense to him because he wasn't able to silence her that even in death
she was going to continue to nag him and she was going to get the last word right
but when we listen to Ed talk the way that he would let us know what was going on inside of him is he throws out there
the suggestion that had I just killed mother before everybody else I wouldn't have killed anybody else right again I
have to wonder is this the absolute truth because the reality is he killed his mother and then shortly afterwards
he killed her best friend he didn't stop with his mother right he had the opportunity to you and I were just
talking about uh willpower well we yeah in in one's own will you could argue there's evidence against your theory Ed
he would call he ended up calling the police so he drove to Colorado he left a note this takes you back though he calls
from a phone booth right yeah he and he left a note at his mother's home saying hey you know I sorry about the ne mess
boys I had to leave I got things to do he thought that again that paranoia sets in where he thought all of a sudden
everybody's going to know what he did and as he's driving to Colorado he kept expecting to hear this story on the news
you know breaking news we found two dead bodies at this home and no he never hears that So eventually he decides he's
going to stop he calls Santa Cruz Police from Colorado and he says look come get
me before I do it all over again and the police they initially refused to believe
him you know this is the guy that they drank with at the bar right it took several follow-up
calls for them to believe that he had done what he said he had done and they they even asked him information that
only The Co-Ed Killer would know MH so keer finally convinced the police that he was the man that they were looking
for and he was quickly arrested without incident and charged with eight murders in the first degree now I do want to
point something out here that's that's not often discussed when Ed keer is discussed is there were there were more
difficulty in this case than than then looking back many of us would know of and that was there was another active
serial killer in that exact area at that exact same time as Ed M Kemper which created a big problem in the
investigation so we had Herbert he was kind of killing people at random you know where right we have keer who
has a very distinct victimology right the problem was that at the time investigators believed that all of these
murders were likely connected and therefore made the it made establishing a real
pattern it made it very difficult right because there was no real pattern you have one guy killing at random well then
you have two things also going against you you have a guy confessing and if any more crimes happen why he's in jail then
you go wait well then this guy's falsely confessing but then he's also only confessing to some of the murders so
you're going well why is he only confessing to some of them and not all of them and here's one thing that I'm
shocked of this is a great idea for anybody out there that has time to do it I'm a little surprised that there wasn't
there's not a movie or a book based around this whole idea of two working in the same area at the same time what was
that movie like Kiss the Girls or something Forest where they're operating on different sides of the country these
two serial killers you have a unique situation where two are operating in the same area and they're basically they're
almost apprehended roughly about the same time so they're active for about the same periods of time now we know
that keer beheaded several of his victims he would eventually tell his attorney that he had eaten the Flesh of
at least one of them so at his trial he did testify and during his trial he said
that the slangs were his way of acting out homicidal cannibalistic and sexual fantasies that dated back to his
childhood stating that that was the only way they could be mine referring to his
victims keer said I had their spirits and I still have them keer was found guilty and sentenced to life
imprisonment for the eight murders because there was a stay on the death penalty in the us at the time of his
conviction Santa Cruz County Superior Court Judge Harry Brower said at the time keer you
should not be released from prison during your natural life Edmund keer remains housed among the general prison
population at the California medical facility in Vacaville California ultimately John Douglas believes that
these types agree to talk with the FBI for a number of reasons but with keer Douglas believes he cooperated because
he was somewhat bothered by his crimes and this was a way to make some sort of amends and talking about his crimes also
allows ker to better understand himself Douglas also says that he believes keer was made to be evil rather than born to
be evil but he also throws in there hey we have to keep in mind if this individual was raised in a happy
environment a non-abusive environment by different people right he says I can't guarantee that he wouldn't grow up to
end up killing people yeah I I look I respect John but I also think when you almost become friends
with an individual like this I think that your viewpoints are going to be skewed a little bit yeah I can agree
with that I think that keer makes it difficult to remain unbiased in this situation because he is easy to talk to
you have Douglas in his own words and Bob wrestler and the his words as well stating that you know they found him to
be friendly easy to talk to easygoing and even had a good sense of humor to the point where they talked with him for
hours and would have to remind themselves hey this guy's a this guy's a real monster he's a killer well they're
also talking to other monsters that aren't being as Cooperative guys that are probably just completely lying to
him not giving them any correct information so therefore it's like here once again Ed keer is the star
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Edmund Kemper was raised by a mother that very likely hated him, even as a small boy. Ed liked to play death ritual games with his sister. He grew to be a very large man and extremely intelligent. Ed was about 6 foot 9 inches tall and his I.Q. was near genius level. As an adult he was convicted of the mutilation slayings of eight women. Was this monster born evil or was he made evil? This week we take a strong look at Edmund Kemper - The Co-Ed Killer Beer of the Week - You’re a Good Man Charlie - Brown Ale by Santa Cruz Mountain Brewing Garage Grade - 3 and 3/4 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Ed Kemper's chilling murders and psychological manipulation are discussed in detail, revealing his complex personality and the failures of the justice system.

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A Dark Reflection on Childhood. A chilling connection between childhood experiences and later actions.
The Complexity of Ed Keer's Mind. Exploring the psyche of Ed Keer and his time in the hospital.
Keer's Brutal Decision. After failing to rape one victim, Keer stabs her to death in a fit of rage.
The Panic Sets In. Keer panics after realizing he may have locked his keys in the trunk with the bodies.
The Hitchhiker Trap. Keer uses a clever trick to prevent hitchhikers from escaping his vehicle.

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I swear you know, they were getting a free ride.

Reflecting on a past experience with women.

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