Ed Edwards /// Off The Record /// Episode #22 | Forensic Files

Welcome, welcome, welcome. Schmelcome. Thanks for welcoming me. Welcome, schmelcome.
rainy and gray and foggy today. Like Are you hungover from your birthday week? Uh I'm not hungover from my birthday
week. I'm I'm I'm hungover from life. I have a cold and then I have like some guys that I watch NFL football with on
Sundays and I said I wasn't going to go hang out with them. But I I worked my butt off yesterday
morning. So, if you look at me and you see a man with no ass, that's why. I worked it off. But
So, even though I had the cold, I rewarded myself. I was like, "I'm going to go have a beer with these guys that I
watch football with." And then that turned into just a sloppy drunk everybody doing shots,
screaming at the TV. You would have thought we were You would have thought we were
Indianapolis Colts fans. That was a fun game to watch yesterday and they ended up not pulling it out at the end, but
I didn't do any of I didn't You didn't do anything like that? do much footballing this this weekend.
But I did get into this really weird rabbit hole last night, which it was like it was time to go to bed and then
I'm falling into this rabbit hole and everybody's been there. It's like there's that meme that's like, you know,
I need to get to sleep and then the picture is you at 4:00 a.m. trying to solve the JonBenét Ramsey case.
What pulled you into the rabbit hole? The computer, the phone, the tablet, or the TV? Those are the four like those
You know, if it's not a book for me, those are one of the four that's going to suck me in. Like I'll put something
on and I'm like, I'm just going to put this on while I doze off. And then next thing I know I'm like, wow, this is
the top of my head just flew off because this is amazing stuff. Okay, so I'm a cinephile, right?
Right. I love movies, but A habitual cinephile. Right, you habitual. You're one You're a real habitual cinephile.
Um No, I Okay. Uh Okay, side note. So you probably don't know who these people are. I don't really know who they are,
but it's a developing story and I think it's going to it's going to be interesting depending
on how it comes out, but there's these YouTube sensations, Jake Paul and Logan Paul.
Oh, the Paul brothers. And somebody in the last week, a group of people hacked their father's accounts
and started posting pornographic videos of him onto YouTube. Mhm. And they um it was just as a joke, these
hackers that wanted to see if they could hack this guy. He then makes a video saying, "Hey, come
work for me. I'll pay you." Right? So they contact him and it's basically just, you know, he's he's doing anything
he can to try to get these videos back. Um and then they released a message to the
FBI saying that they believed that they had um uh evidence that some of the girls that
he was in these videos with or pictures with were underage. And they wanted to give the information
to the FBI. So this is um Non-consenting Non-consensual sex and underage people?
no. All the sex is consensual, but it doesn't matter if you're underage. Right, you don't have if you're of a
certain age, you don't you can't consent. Right. And I always think uh what's funny is
that I don't know much about these guys. I don't watch their videos. Their demographic is basically 8-year-olds.
Um they do have proof of him going into 16-year-olds, 15-year-olds, you know, they're direct messaging them
saying, "Do you want to come out and meet my sons?" That's weird enough. Uh but so it's kind of interesting
So it's the Paul guys' father Mhm. that they think might be guilty of well, rape.
Basically. Yeah, I think it's more I think it's more along the lines of this guy possibly is a pedophile.
Right. Um now that's just the allegations that they're making. And they basically said they had proof.
And so I was what for whatever reason this was in my YouTube Tube uh you know, suggested videos. And I'm
going Who the hell am I that they would suggest this? I've never watched a Jake Paul video or
a Logan Paul video. I did find it super fascinating when they decided to box. Uh being a boxing fan and
and I think maybe that's how it was suggested to me because I was actually watching a lot of stuff about
the fight that's going to happen in October 8th with Conor McGregor and Khabib Magomedov, which I probably did
not say his name correctly, but I'm into that fight 100%. So I don't know if because I was watching videos on that,
then that's why these Logan Paul, Jake Paul thing. But it was basically hacker hacks into their father's accounts and
and he's exposed. And I was like, let's see what this is all about. Right. And uh the videos I watched that were
breaking it down didn't show any of the actual clips. Right. Um but one of the one of the videos that I watched that I
thought was super interesting was like it was just a YouTuber that was interviewing the hackers.
And it was just so interesting because they're like, "Yeah, it was all fun and games until we got to the point that we
thought we saw enough proof." Are the are the are the hackers still like trying to be anonymous or they or
have they received some kind of notoriety for Well, I mean they're breaking the story essentially.
I mean people are going to be following them more on social media. Okay. So, I mean they are getting something
out of it. Um but again, you know, you're being offered jobs by the guy that you
hacked his account. Mhm. Um it's just I mean one, that's silly anyways. Right. Um and this guy people have been saying
this guy's creepy for a while, but I my issue with Jake Paul and Logan Paul would always
be, which again, I never watched a video, so I don't I couldn't even tell you what their videos are about. Um
but I think if your core audience is 8 years old and you're making millions of dollars off of 8-year-olds and
10-year-olds, then maybe you should think that you have some kind of responsibility to actually put out
a little bit more positive content or or age-appropriate content. Is that what we mean? Cuz didn't they come under fire
for some kind of suicide thing? Wasn't there some some Yeah, he went um on a trip. There's like
a suicide bridge or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and he Well, there's a uh suicide forest somewhere in in Japan,
I believe. And it's like the the number of people that have committed suicide there, it's it's staggering. Like it's
crazy. Like Right. So, he just went there to see it and he they filmed their whole life. And
there was somebody that just recently committed suicide. Well, the problem is when you film that
um knowing that it's going to go out to a bunch of 8-year-olds and then the on top
of that to make fun of it. I mean, there was They stumbled upon a body, you think?
Like No, I don't think they did. I mean, they videotaped it. No, I know that, but you said you never
watched any of their Well, I mean shows. So Well, I've heard about that one because
Okay. cuz they basically took him off of YouTube and then he had to apologize and
then he had to actually make a I don't know if he had to, but he made a whole suicide
awareness video, which is actually the most watched suicide can't you know, suicide prevention campaign in the
history. So, they were able to turn it into some kind of good thing, but Yeah, but the my
This is what I believe. I think you you need to know why you're doing something um and not for, you know, you can't be
just, "Oh, I'm doing this for money." You should try to be doing something and have some kind of positive light
that you're giving to the world. Right. And I think if that's your mission and that stage your mission, whether you
make $25,000 a year you make a couple million dollars a year that as long as your mission stays
positive, then I think a lot of good things come to you in the universe. You got these guys that are making
millions of dollars that don't seem to really give a [ __ ] and don't really care
to put in quality work and to try to put positivity into the world. This is what comes to you. You have
people that hack your accounts and try to find your dirty laundry and guess what? There's dirty laundry there.
Mhm. I mean, if you hacked my father's AOL account, one, I don't think he has one,
but if he if he had one, he's not going to have anything remotely close to this.
So, I think it's just, you know, it's the universe that takes a while, but I think the universe corrects itself.
Well, and then that's two guys that have been given a great amount of uh notoriety, fame, and fortune for things
that they do, but they what they failed to realize is it along with that, they've been
given great responsibility that they don't seem to have taken on. They've accepted the fame and the fortune.
They've not accepted the responsibility. It's pretty I mean, you and I are not the smartest guys in the We're not the
sharpest tools in the shed, as they would say, but we understand the sharpest tools in the garage. We
understand that if your audience is 8, 9, 10-year-olds, it needs to be very PG 8, 9,
10-year-old. Well, I actually don't agree with that because as a creator, it's your job to create content.
Sometimes that Sometimes that content is found by certain groups of people. Right.
So, they have Okay, I don't Again, I don't know much about them. I hear more about them from my
nephews than I do anywhere else. But, I think they got their start on Disney. And I think that's why they have such a
young audience now. It's not their problem or something that they need to be concerned with always create content
that's just for 8-year-olds. Cuz if they started creating content about financial responsibility
or the stock market, right? Or being an being an entrepreneur, a bunch of 8-year-olds are going to
probably probably going to tune out. Mhm. They don't have to They can make whatever content they
want. That's their right. You know what I mean? Um but on the other side of that when you've
been making content that's been geared towards 8-year-olds and 10-year-olds, and that's
kind of your bread and butter, and you get to the point where you know that that's how you're making your money,
then maybe you need to reassess the situation. If you don't want to keep making that content then stop, or create
another channel that is No, that's what I'm saying. adults only or whatever. That's what I'm saying. I I
I I think your message was a bit lost on me there for a second. You kind of circled back to it. But no, that's what
I'm saying. If if if if that's how you received your fame and your and your fortune, then you There's a
responsibility that comes with that, whether you chose your audience of 8, 9, 10-year-olds, or if that happened to be
your audience. Yeah, but I mean, you see And like you said, you if you want to gear some things towards adults, or if
even if for some reason you think it's okay or appropriate to film somebody that unfortunately
had such a shitty life that they killed themselves or were suffering from some kind of
illness that they killed themselves, and then make fun of it. Well, then you need
to get a a channel for for adults that's geared towards an audience that for some reason thinks that that's
funny, you know. Um uh So, that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying I think that it it there is a certain responsibility.
Just in the in the same sense that if you and I decided to mail it in one week and we're
like, "Oh, you know, Nick's sick. He's and he was such an idiot that he spent all Sunday drinking
to try to cure He thought alcohol would cure the illness. Uh so, we're just going to sit here and
talk about football today rather than true crime." Because, you know what I mean? It's it We've we've kind of set
the standard and and we have a responsibility to our audience. Yeah, on our daily,
you know, yes. Yeah. We have a responsible Yeah, we we do true crime. We don't like to talk politics or talk
too much outside of the true crime realm. I mean, that's kind of what Off the Record is for is kind of
whatever else is happening. So, you think um or the rumor is that this guy they might be able to bring charges against
the the Paul Are they Paul brothers? Is that their last you know, they're both they're both have the same last name?
Yeah, and what sucks is um what I've been realizing in my old age is I'm a nationalist.
I'm really into my country. But You're the Captain's a patriot. But go Yes. But go even further. Um moving away
from Ohio, I have then moving back to Ohio like I believe people should really love
their roots and understand where they came from and for whatever reason that uh weighs on me more, you know, uh
I I I know a lot of friends of mine that have American flags but don't have Ohio
flags. Um and these the Paul brothers are from Ohio. They're from Ohio. And that's uh
Now, I'm just going to say it. I like I said, I've only seen little clips and stuff.
I think the Jake Paul guy is uh just complete trash. And there's some issues and I think
their dad is definitely number one creepo. And I think the the allegations being
made from this hacker group is that they think they have enough information that
they can give this to um authorities and and possibly that there's charges. That's the allegations
they're making. I Again, I don't know. It's It's YouTube. But But the weird thing
is I've seen just a couple little things about Logan Paul, which he's the one that filmed
the guy that committed suicide. But I actually think there's like there's a brain in there somewhere, and
I think there's he actually I think he was a Ohio wrestling like state champion.
So I I do think there's maybe some hope in there for but look, it's a difficult thing. I mean
to to say We don't know if they geared their initial videos towards 8-year-olds, or
if that's just what they they found audience that found them, yeah. Just like somebody the other day was
saying, you guys should make children's clothes. Well, no. Like True Crime Garage children clothes. We
should make bibs for for babies. Right, but if you're listening to this show and
you're pregnant, it's not going to hurt your unborn child. If you're listening to this and your 3-year-old's in the
car, but they're not really paying attention, it's not going to mess up your child, you know, like
but I wouldn't tell my 8-year-old nephew to listen to our show every week. Oh, I absolutely don't endorse
I do not endorse parents listening with their children. Now, I do know that we have some people
that have reached out to us, you know, we get the we get a nice thank you email every now and then saying, "Hey, you
know, the True Crime Garage has become part of my weekly life, you know, I I listen to your show every week, and now
my wife listens to the show, and now our 17-year-old daughter listens to the show." That's a little different, you
know what I mean, for me. What I'm saying is if a mom or a dad is driving their kids to school,
I used to listen to a show every morning, but it would vary. You know, sometimes
I'd listen to NPR in the morning, sometimes I'd listen to Adam Carolla, sometimes I'd listen to the Stern.
My step kids, they didn't really ever pay much attention. You know what I mean? Right.
Like they they just wanted. And then every now and then they would, and they'd have a couple of their favorites,
but my main thing was are these people cursing? Are these thing are are what you know?
And and the majority of our stories are our our storytelling. And it's not just um
I mean there are other shows out there that drop the F bomb more than we do. Mhm.
Um But yeah. So I don't know. I I just thought So that was the video that got me into
the Steven Kubrick thing. Right. So again, back to being a cinephile. What I find super fascinating about
movies is how they chose something. So if you look at like Goodwill Hunting for example, there's two scenes where
they place math mathematical equations on a board and the janitor solves them. The second
equation that they put on the board, the professor said it took MIT professors 2 years to prove this.
The gauntlet has been thrown. Actually, it's a exercise that people give to advance middle school students
or even high school students. And it's just this um basically you have so many dots and
you have so many lines and you have to you have to create there's I think nine different things that you can create and
there's like a list of rules and how to do it. The reason why they picked that equation
was because it was visually satisfying. So it had nothing to do with the complexity of it because they know
nobody's going to look at that and go, "Oh my god. Right. Uh I can't solve that problem." It's
it's more about when you do see the shot, it looks like it's something complicated.
Right. So, I find that super interesting. Now, you might have seen Superbad. Right?
I might have seen it. I've seen it like six times. Okay, so this this scene where
he's in the bedroom He He Jonah Hill? No. The other guy. guy. The The The The thin guy that starts
singing. Yeah. Right. I'm Sorry. Sorry. I I laugh just thinking about that. It's one of the best scenes in cinematic
history. In all of movies. Right. All of film. So, he starts singing These eyes are crying.
Mhm. They are crying. Well, here's how they got that. it, brother. Preach it. They They
They gave him a list of about 50 songs. And they said Like Like he's a DJ at a wedding. Here's
a list of 50 songs. songs, but these are songs that were cleared that they didn't have to pay for
or if they did have to pay for was under a certain dollar amount. So Oh, okay. So, then he looks at the list.
I wish we knew his name. Can we find his name on here? You keep talking. I'm I'm I'm I'm typing
away over here. Cuz he's awesome. He's great actor. And we just said it's one of the best
scenes in all of film. So, if you're going to say that, right? We need to know I mean, it's basically that scene is
basically if you put like Godfather 1 2 3 all together combined goodness and threw it into one
scene. That's how good it is. It's like basically taking all of Rocky 4's montages and throwing them together and
putting it into one scene. That's how good it is. Mhm. So, anyways, the reason why So, they
gave him a list and that was either because the songs were free or was under a certain dollar amount.
And he picked that song cuz it was the song that he knew the most. Now what was kind of funny about the
scene was he mumbles a lot of lines, but that's because they told him, you don't
have to learn it word for word. Mhm. So I just love the backstory on the decisions. Just like if you the famous
Matthew McConaughey when he says, "All right, all right, all right, all right." He's now he's said multiple backstories
on this thing, but one of the things I find so fascinating is the day before they're supposed to shoot this.
I don't know if the all right, all right, all right, all right was ever in the script.
But what he states is he's trying to figure out who this guy is. He's sex, drugs, rock and roll. So he's listening
to this live bootleg Doors tape and in between the songs Jim Morrison yells, "All right, all
right, all right, all right." Right, right. And he thought, "Oh, that's cool. All
right, all right." Right. So I from his So the the actor's name is Michael is it
Michael Cera? C E R A. I know I'm going to get that wrong. But uh Cera. Cera, there we go. But I've heard the uh
McConaughey thing from his mouth. And like you said, he's given several I think I wonder if this is where it
gets confused. Mhm. If there's multiple background backstories to this. Because it's a lengthy backstory. The
one I heard from him, not we weren't like hanging out obviously. It was some kind of interview. And it [ __ ] I can't
remember. Maybe it was on Howard Stern. Those interviews are pretty good on there.
Like if you want to get to know an actor or a musician, that's a pretty good spot
to go to to really get to know somebody in a in a lengthy interview cuz they're long. They're long interviews. They
could be an hour long. Mhm. Uh so McConaughey, the one I heard on there was almost exactly what you said where he
had this Doors tape that he was listening to, but it was given to him by either the writer or the director, maybe
they're the same because the guy's like, "Hey, you know, put your put yourself in this frame of
mind. Listen to this Doors tape." And it was between songs or at the end of a song, something like that, Morrison
says, "All right, all right." You know, something similar to that or yells it to
the crowd. But on top of that, it's he was asked to do a scene at the last minute during filming that wasn't in the
script that he was originally given. And he kind of panicked because he's a new actor. You know, he I don't know if he
had been in more than one thing at that point. And cuz wasn't he in like a Texas
Chainsaw Massacre movie? Like wasn't that his big break? I think him and Renée Zellweger were in
a a terrible remake of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And I only know that because I've watched every version of that movie
that they've put out. But he says um "Shit, well, I got to come up with some kind of line on the spot."
And he panicked and he thought of that Doors tape, but on top of that, he thought, "Okay, well, I can do the scene
because I'm not I'm not Matthew McConaughey. I'm this dude. You know, I'm this dude Dazed and Confused dude."
And I can do it because who is this guy? He's he's he's into cars, he's into drugs, he's into women. You know, and
he's thought, "All right, all right, all right. I got each one of those things. I
can I can handle it." Yeah, he came up with four different ones. So, tell me who You dropped a name.
You're trying to get to a story. And you dropped a name. a podcast, people, cuz we can talk about
absolutely nothing for Say that name again and tell tell me who that person is. Steven Spielberg.
Okay. I guess that's Steven Spielberg. I believe that's the best way to pronounce
Who is he and what does he do? Well, he's a director. Okay. But, um And the universe works in weird ways, my
friend, because there's been a lot of um I actually didn't know much about him, didn't know much about the name. I was
working on a uh a project in the studio. Hopefully, we get done with it some point. Um
What project? Can you say or can't you say? Um Uh let's see. It's kind of a Remember how Johnny Cash did all the
cover songs? Right. It's kind of like that. It's a group called Ghost Mountain. Um
So, it's but it's it's cool stuff cuz it's like taking a song that you've known your whole
life. Like we we've been we were working on doing a cover of Sober by uh Tool. So, to take something that crazy and
then turn it into this whole different thing. But, anyways, we're in the studio.
Uh Steven Kubrick made a movie called Oh, crap. What's it called? Well, so I'm pulled up his name here.
He's he did Eyes Wide Shut. He did 2001 A Space Odyssey. He's done like 15 2001 Space Odyssey.
13 feature films. So, what was interesting was the producer said to me, "Have you ever seen this I believe it's
Steven Kubrick Space Odyssey 2001? It's the last scene like it's 20-some minutes."
Okay. And there's there's uh a Pink Floyd tune that I believe was either I think they wrote to it. Like he told
them, "I need you to do this music." And I think they wrote to it. And we watched that
Right. in the studio, great sit you know a great sound system whatever and this movie was done a long time ago and
I'm going this is freaking amazing. I mean blew my mind. One never been a huge Pink Floyd fan lot of respect for him.
But stuff like that connecting a film with with music it was just uh I mean it was awesome and I was like man who is
this Steven Kubrick guy? He's done a ton of movies. Okay, I got a couple of notable ones.
All right, notable for me anyway. I'm sure people have heard of other of these other movies but I'll just do the ones
that pop off the page. A Clockwork Orange. Yes, I mean come on. Right. You know If you haven't seen that your head will
explode. It's it's it's violent. It's crazy. Uh The Shining. The Shining. Which I which is interesting.
Um and then Full Metal Jacket. Yeah. Which is which is one of my it's a movie that I probably watched 10
times like every few years I just pop it on and and I I sit through the whole thing. The the where when they're being
trained to be in the military at boot camp is is one one it's it's super interesting.
It can be funny at times but it's also like incredibly haunting. And and I won't get into you know if people
haven't seen that I won't get into why but watch that movie. Yeah and um he's done other stuff with Stephen King
movies but what I thought was really interesting was um there's been these rumors that Steven
Kubrick was actually hired by our government because of Space Odyssey 2001. Um that they hired him to fake the moon
landing. Now so we're a true crime show not conspiracy but I thought this was fascinating. Well,
what was interesting is So, I'm watching this video and they're talking about it
and they were saying that, you know, Steven had a IQ of over 200 or something crazy.
And he just didn't want to go along with the government, but that possibly that the government possibly
threatened his life or threatened his family's life or his daughter's life. Now, his
daughter emphatically denies all this. But, um they were interviewing these astronauts from the Apollo missions and
some of the people that were in like our ground control, right? Right. To Major Tom.
Ground control to Major Tom. Um So, what I thought was interesting was these guys were saying, "Yes,
there's this rumor that Steven Kubrick was hired by our government and yes, he was. And yes, we had a sound stage that
looked like the fake moon landing, but we actually landed on the moon." And then they said that NASA has also
released footage of some of the stuff Steven has done. That's why when you compare some of the
actual moon landing film and pictures that it doesn't line up with some of the stuff that Steven Kubrick did.
Again, Sorry, sorry. Stanley Kubrick. What am I calling him? Steven. Cuz I well, I we were talking
about Steven Kubrick Sorry. No, you're fine. I was rolling with it. Uh I didn't Steven Kubrick. Somebody yelled at their
phone 500 times, "It's Stanley, you son of a bitch." I hate you, Captain. It's Stanley Kubrick.
Stanley Kubrick. Well, Stanley Kubrick has a IQ of about uh uh 200, which is We affectionately call him Steven.
Well, we we like to say that Stanley has a IQ about 200 more than we do. Right. So, if he's at 212, I'm at 12.
Stanley, well, I'm trying to wake up. So, anyways, what I thought was really interesting
was this whole idea that possibly he was hired by the government to And the whole
idea was, what if we get to the moon and we can't land and then Russia wins? Cut to
We can't let Russia win at any rate. Stanley to Cut to Stanley and Steven Kubrick both
of them at the same time. Cut to their footage and then we go, Russia, we won, you suck.
Right. And this is all kind of interesting, too, cuz we got the First Man movie coming out with
my buddy Ryan Gosling. People always ask if we're best friends. We used to be, but we can't
Ryan would like to be, but the captain won't allow it. I'm kind of busy with the show. And the
problem with his job is he works on a movie for a couple months and then he has time off.
And I tell him, Gosling, I got a show to do every week. Right. We can't Step off, Gosling. Step off.
We can't be BFFs, bro. Sorry. Anyways, so I just thought that was interesting and the fact that these people weren't
denying it. So, that got me down this rabbit hole and they were saying that he would throw in these clues
into his movies and one of them was future movies. So, like So, 2001 Space Odyssey was done in '68
and the moon landing was '69 or his portrayal of the moon landing was done in '69, whichever whichever side of
whichever fork in the road you way you choose to go. But you're saying movies that he did after that. He's saying,
"Hey, look I'm going to drop a little clue that that I was I was really up to confusing
America." And film nerds and video games nerd nerds would know that Stanley was dropping
what we call in the biz Easter eggs. Yeah, I love a good Easter egg. Yeah, which is funny cuz we actually
dropped we've been dropping Easter eggs for a long time. And some of the ways that
You've been laying eggs for a long time. I've been laying eggs. Like The The captain can lay golden eggs.
But nobody Nobody's ever brought them to the attention. Like our logo, the way we
number shows, the way we name shows, little stuff like that, but nobody's noticed. Nobody's even brought it up to
my attention. I've been dropping Easter eggs on your heads, people. And nobody knows nothing.
That's right. Anyways, so there's a scene a famous scene in The Shining that is supposed to be called
well, it's called room 237. And King The rumor is King wanted it to be called room 217. Is that
Right. Well, in in the actual book, I believe it's called 217. Okay. And the reason why is cuz he has a book
called 217. Right? Um that I don't know, but but as far as The Shining goes, I've read a
bunch of Well, what's the movie with James Franco on Stephen King? What was that movie?
I don't know. Look it up real quick. I As far as Stephen King goes, I've read a bunch of his books, but I've not
actually read The Shining. Um that's not one that I've read. I have seen the movie,
the original movie, several times. Well, no, that's not it. I for That's the 11.
Yeah, he's got 112263. I kept on thinking Isn't there one with a room in it? So,
anyways, I I believe the room number is supposed to be 217 and that somehow connects to
other stories that kind of go in the Stephen King world. So, uh Stanley Mhm. Stanley, we got to get his name right.
Kubrick. He changes it to 237. Tells Stephen King, well, the the hotel, they don't want me to call it
217 because they don't want their This is a scary scene. They don't want their guests to
be so freaked out that they're like, "Yeah, we're not staying in 217." So, we're changing it to 237.
Well, supposedly the the hotel that they shot The Shining at doesn't even have a
217. But, what was Stephen King wouldn't know that because they just took his movie and they adopted it,
right? Right. Or adapted it to screen. He's not there. He doesn't know. He can't check.
And a lot of people believe that he calls it 237 because the distance or at that time, the known distance from
the Earth to the moon was roughly 237 thousand miles. And that he did that as kind of a
tip of the hat. And there's also a scene in The Shining where a kid is wearing an
Apollo shirt Mhm. and he like lifts up and it's supposed to be kind of like a representation of the
moon landing. But, I just thought But, what was so interesting about it was normally you hear some kind of kooky
cockamamie story and to have these astronauts and these scientists and these other people
back it up as if it was no big deal. Right. Oh, yeah. He did this. Oh, yeah. We made him do
that. Um I just thought that was really fascinating. And what And it wasn't from
like a conspiracy website, you know, so um but hey, now that we just uh did all that stuff. We we did have There
were some updates this weekend. Well, um I'll tell you what, as far as The Shining goes, it's a movie
that holds up. Like it You know how sometimes you watch a scary movie and then 20 years later you watch a scary
movie and it's not scary anymore. Uh this is a movie that even if you're watching it for the first time, it holds
up. It's still very uh it's it's filmed very well. Uh it looks good. What I mean, the way that
they the way that they filmed everything was very interesting. It was very uh Hitchcockian. Is that a word? If not,
we've now made it a word. Uh Put that in the Urban Dictionary. And then of course it's just a fantastic
movie. It's it's a little frightening. Um I remember the first time I watched it, I used to work third shift security.
So my shifts would start at at 11:00 p.m. Mhm. And for whatever reason it must have
been on cable, maybe HBO or something, and I watched it uh I would wake up usually 4:00 or 5:00 in the afternoon in
the afternoon or evening, get something to eat, start my day, and then go into work at 11:00 p.m. So I'm eating dinner
and I watch The Shining. I watch it from start to finish and then I'm going to go in and work my security
job after dark. Mhm. This This is not a well-thought-out plan, but I'm an adult and I thought
know, I didn't think anything of it at the time. I arrived to my shift. Now, mind you, The Shining is basically it's
about a man, his wife, and his child alone in this giant hotel that they're going to close for the winter that he's
supposed to be caretaking, uh watching over the grounds uh during the wintertime, right?
So, the whole general idea is it's three people alone in this big building. Well, where I worked security was a
giant building. It was a 28-story building. And I like to be a security guard of a big
parking lot. There was no there was no like businesses around there. There was no like residence
around there. There was nothing around the immediate area. Okay, so the building itself while we did have
occupants in there that lived there because they were high-rise condos, there was nobody on the there was a
basement level, a lobby level, and then there were four levels above me. Three levels above me, I'm sorry. So,
for five levels of this big building, there's there's nobody else there. And I worked with two other guys. So, we
we would roll a three-man security shift for the overnight security. That night, one of the guys was on
vacation. No big deal. Sometimes we would roll just two. I show up, the other guy that wasn't on
vacation, he called off sick. So, I watched The Shining and then I showed up to work my third shift security job
basically in a big building all by myself. Yeah. And Call for backup. There is no backup.
So, I I'm like making my rounds, you know, you have to make rounds and walk hallways and go outside and stuff like
that. I'm making my rounds in the hallways and I could swear that like I'm walking down the hallway
and I I must have been hearing the echo of myself walking, but it kept sounding like somebody was walking behind me for
this whole shift. And the thing is, thank god nobody had any reason to watch the
security cameras that the next day or or or or the archive footage of that because they would have seen a grown man
walking the hallways by himself constantly turning around as fast as he can to catch the person that's walking
behind him that keeps magically disappearing every time I turn around. Let me do a reenactment. This is Nick,
third shift security guard. See, he stops. The man behind me stops. How does he know how to
again. He stops right when I stop. How does he know when to stop? He calls 911. There's a man. He's behind
me and he stops every time I stop perfectly in time. And if I turn around, he disappears.
Well, now Now I feel like such a dummy. We got Stanley Kubrick and Stephen King.
We should call him Stanley King and Stephen Kubrick. You know, there there King has several
ties to true crime stories. You know, we mentioned a long time ago we recommended
a good marriage, I believe it's called, which is a very interesting book. It's based off of the idea of written kind of
from the perspective of a serial killer's wife. And and he has stated publicly that he got the idea from BTK.
You know, BTK That's what I was actually going to say when you said he got the idea, I was like, probably
from BTK. Yeah, he's cuz I think the thought fascinated King and it is a fascinating
thought to think of okay so you're married to somebody for 20-30 years and the whole time you've been married this
guy has been a had a secret career as a serial killer. Well, and that and that's really unusual
because you had you do have these serial killers that they get married but normally they're short-lived.
Mhm. And then you have It who if you read the book It in the beginning the town people uh what is it Derry?
Yeah. Derry, Maine um which I can't wait for the second one to come out and I don't think a lot of
people knew there was going to be a second one when the first one came out but in the book they they believe it's a a
human being like a a real-life child killer that that's kind of snatching kids and
killing kids in the town. Well, but also I think when you I mean we've had several situations
where there are there is a child killer on the loose. Mhm. A child serial killer and just the fear
that that puts into people and they start putting curfews on people and and don't walk alone and the buddy system
and all that stuff and just the pure terror that goes through a small community uh especially back then when there's no
cell phones and there's no internet and there's not everybody's so connected digitally.
Uh I just taking that idea now you're you're taking a cosmic clown from outer space but you're starting with the
premise of we have children that are going missing and we believe they're dead. Right.
And and cosmic clown or not like that's that's a scary premise. Well, and then there's a almost direct
tie. So in in 1997 this guy Michael Carneal he shot eight students So, he was a student himself.
And he shot eight fellow students at a prayer meeting. This was at Heath High School in Kentucky. Um I don't remember
what city that was, but I remember Kentucky. Anyway, they found a copy after after this thing was all
uh you know after the rescue effort and all that, once they started investigating this
thing, they found a copy of a book called Rage inside his locker, inside Michael Carneal's locker. Now, Rage is
actually written by Stephen King, but early in King's career, he wrote under a different name, Richard Bachman. Um and
this is a book by Richard Bachman, and the Rage book is about a guy uh uh I think he was 16 or 17 years old.
have used the name Stephen Kubrick, you know. Stanley Kubrick or Stephen Kubrick?
Yeah, Stephen. It was Yeah, quick transition. What we didn't know is that we we secretly created a new alias.
So, at Com- Comic-Con at CrimeCon this year, I'm going to check into my room under Stephen Kubrick.
That's right. Send gifts to Stephen Kubrick's room. They're going to say, "Stephen Kubrick, is that
are you a famous director?" And I'm going to say, "My father, Stanley, was." That's right. Uh
So, in the book Rage, the uh the student that Stephen King or Richard Bachman, however you want to look about it,
writes about, he like assaults he gets in some kind of argument with his one of his teachers, and I think he assaults
the teacher, which then in turn uh he's going to be getting suspended for this. Mhm.
He gets in some kind of verbal altercation with the principal when this is when he's getting reprimanded, which
then turns into an expulsion. Uh he's going to be kicked out of the school, I believe. And he decides to
take some of the kids hostage, shoot some of the teachers. You know, this is unfortunately this is a
book that was written I think in the 70s but unfortunately it was something it's
something that we have come to learn and unfortunately have the real life experience of school shootings happening
frequently. Right. And so when this when this shooting happened in 97 and they found his book in the dude's
locker King yeah King says look let's let that book go out of let's let it fall out of
print. We're not going to we're not going to keep publishing this book. I don't I don't know if this book
inspired this kid to do this but I'm going to err on the side of caution and we're not going to inspire anybody else
and I think if King had his way that if you could magically collect all those books I think he would do that but
obviously that's impossible so Yeah well it's but it's interesting though too because there's there are
several crimes that people think were directly influenced from reading a novel that the crime
the criminal was influenced by and and so you look at 1997 two years before Columbine
if this story becomes bigger you know is is Dylan and Eric reading this book to get inspired
you know what I mean or like they always talk about with the the John Lennon assassination him reading Catcher
in the Rye. Right. And then you know one of the best Stephen King books of all time I think
and oddly I don't think most people know it's Stephen King but uh or maybe they do. I don't I don't I
don't know. I'm not in everybody's head, but I'm waiting to be shot. Stand by. Stand by me.
Because it's not your typical Stephen King story. Right. I Which it I actually believe was
called The Body. Yeah. I think the book's called The Body. Right. Right. Which is then is adapted to Stand by Me.
But, every time I think about that, you know, I If I'm going just like searching the
internet, anytime I see a picture of just like the Stand by Me guys, I always kind of wonder,
you know, cuz we've been talking so much about West Memphis 3 lately, and the whole
the boys are trying to give them convince Vicki Hutchinson to let her son Aaron go with them.
Mhm. To somewhere. And that there's all these rumors that they didn't play beyond the pipe.
Right. But, that again, we'll we'll probably never know cuz Aaron claims that he doesn't
remember anything. He doesn't know what's true and what's a lie, but I believe he probably knows why they
went back beyond, you know, in in Robin Hood hills. Uh I believe he knows why they went past
the the pipe. What they were going to do there that day. And I think it was something
probably not that they're going to go look at a body, but similar to that idea. If you
watch Stand by Me, it's all like there's this body, and we got to go, and we got
to get collect our stuff, and it's like this big deal. Mhm. And and even though it's not that far of
a trip, I I wonder if it was something like that. Oh, we we've seen these guys smoking or drinking or whatever.
And we So, what we we decided that we want to go spy on them. Right. Well, that's that's an
interesting thought because even if they didn't play past the pipe, that sounds weird to say that play past
the pipe. If they didn't play past the pipe area, Right. What if What if something What if
they're playing in that general vicinity and something catches their eye off in the distance a bit and they're like,
"Well, let's go check it out." Or let's Oh, there's people over there like you said, let's go Kids Kids, come on. Love
to spy on people if they if if they can see somebody Right. You know, like, "Hey, let's hide behind
these trees and watch these these weirdos. Oh, they're teenagers or whatever. Let's just spy on them." But
Yeah, so you have Chris Byers. The One thing very interesting about that is Chris Byers was supposedly claimed to
some of his friends of his age group of 8 years old that he had some kind of fort that they had built in Robin Hood
Hills. Right. And I don't know where that fort was and I would love for more more information
about that because there is several stories that say Chris Byers wanted to run away from home. And his plan was to
run away from home and he had told some of the other kids that he was going to run away from home and live in his fort
that he built in Robin Hood Hills. And Which is not that crazy No. for a 8-year-old.
8-year-olds say, "Hey, I'm going to I think I pretended to run away." You know, like you say you're going to run
away and I I think I made it to the the the the school bus stop and then I turned around. Uh
but So I The way that I remember this story, Captain, is that Michael Moore had played with Chris Byers more than
Stevie Branch did. That that him and Moore were were closer, that they were really tight friends.
And this makes sense because they lived damn near next door to one another. Right.
And the two The thought is that the two had built this fort together and that the two of
them were traveling to and from this fort from time to time. Now, we have the whole story of well, they didn't
play past the pipe comes from Chris Byers' older brother, which would technically be his half-brother.
Right. Who was a teenager at the time, 14, 15, maybe 16. I want to say 15, but anyway,
he I think his name was Ryan. Does that seem right? It wasn't Stephen Kubrick. Right. We know that. But so, Ryan, if it
was in fact Ryan, but anyway, his half-brother, older brother, Mhm. is the one that said, "No,
they wouldn't play past the pipe." And and when asked why, you know, and we all know now that they
were found past the pipe. He said, "Something must have taken Somebody must have took them in there or
something got them to go in there." Right. Because they wouldn't play past there
because Chris was afraid to go that far into the woods. That uh and I think Ryan
even said that him and some of the kids his age group were slightly afraid of going that far.
Yeah, and and I mean, this kind of comes full circle because you take a look at that wooded area.
And now now we have some water. And we have some pipes. And what does it remind you of?
Oh, [ __ ] Yeah, I I this just popped in my head, too. It's Stephen King's It. Right.
Like the area that the that the kids would play. Not not so much in the newer movie, right? But the older movie.
And the way that it's described in the book, too. It's uh Sorry, I was drinking quite a bit when I
watched the new version, so maybe I'm off on that, but No, no, no, but yeah, it's different,
but the old version was more like, "Hey, this is a place to play and we're going
to build these little dams and we're going to And that's what me and my buddies used
to do all the time. And it's like, you know, we didn't have as much water, but Robin Hood Hills was kind of like that.
So, is it possible that these three boys saw Stephen King's It and were like, "Yeah, we don't play past the pipe."
Right. Cuz that's where It lives. Or even Or they heard it from the older kids. Right, but
Cuz Ryan says he says for a portion of his life he was afraid to play that far in.
Well, I'm not saying that they talked about that It Right, right. I'm just saying that if you watch
Stephen King's It, there's little points that you don't play past. Um you know, it's like you
you'll play near, but you won't play past. And And so, I wonder if there was something
maybe from some horror movie that didn't allow them or want them to play past that.
But then, did they have this fort? And was that them getting older and saying, "Ah, there's no boogeyman. Let's go a
little bit further." So, but it's But it's interesting how you can pull horror stuff into a true crime story and
then true crime stories, you could take pieces pieces of those and and make great horror movies.
Well, and you mentioned earlier how Stephen King likes to kind of sprinkle cool bits and pieces of his different
stories, or if you want to call them worlds, that he's created into one another. Well, one of my favorite books
of all time Stephen King is and you know, I could rattle off 10 right now. He's No matter what you think, actually, you
know, my father, I've had this conversation with him several times. He's like, "I I'd never read Stephen
King. I don't like horror." Right. And I'm I'm trying to tell him, I'm like, "Actually, my favorite Stephen
King books are not what I would call horror. They I wouldn't throw them into the horror genre.
Right. Kind of like Stand by me. Yeah, so 11/22/63 is roughly about the assassination of JFK,
but it's also science fiction, okay? But in the book, 11/22/63, the I think his name is Jake Epping or
George Epping is the the main character. He actually has two names in the book, so it's confusing. But um
he is traveling uh through through Derry, Maine, in the book. Right. And it's actually, I believe it takes
place maybe a year after what the original It story takes place, Mhm. about the when they were kids.
And he says when he's he lives there for a couple months, I believe, as he's traveling through. And while he's there,
he learns that there's a child killer or there had been a child killer loose and
and killing snatching kids and killing them in the town. And he was afraid his character was afraid to really speak to
any of the locals because he was just passing through. He's like, "Shit, nothing makes a better suspect than a
than a guy in his 30s that just showed up out of nowhere. that showed up out of nowhere, that
doesn't have a wife, doesn't have any kids. Um and he does have a conversation with
uh Beverly Marsh, you know, she's one of the characters from It. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And uh Richie, I don't remember Richie's Beep Beep Richie. I don't remember his last name, but he has a conversation
with those Richie Kubrik? I think it was. I think it was. You hit it on the head.
I'm just going to be so mad cuz we don't edit this we don't edit this show. So, it's like
if it was the other show, we'd go back and fix it. Old Stephen Kubrik. And I I'm telling
you there's somebody probably so mad at us driving. It's Stanley. It's Stanley. You know what's funny and maybe we
should this is this is might be a shirt idea, but um Steven Kubrick You so so the the Zodiac when the Zodiac
was loose and was threatening to kill more people, um there was a guy named Paul Avery who
was writing about the Zodiac in the newspapers and he was writing theories and I think at one point he says
I think Paul Avery might have said that uh he believed the Zodiac killer was homosexual.
Mhm. Which forgive me, but I'm just relaying a story, but it but back then could have
been taken as some kind of insult. You know, you know, this is the the late 60s, early 70s. So
Paul Avery writes something like that and then the the general public is like holy [ __ ] The Zodiac killer is going to
kill Paul Avery now. So so everybody started wearing buttons in shirts that said I'm not Paul Avery including Paul
Avery. He's walking around wearing a shirt that says I'm not Paul Avery. We could have true crime garage shirts that
say I'm not Steven Kubrick. Yeah. I'm not Steven Kubrick. Or I am Steven Kubrick.
Yeah, I'm not Steven Kubrick. I am Steven Kubrick. Stanley, you son of a [ __ ] It's
Stanley. Um real quick. I I got to put this out there. I've been working a lot. I have
not been able to watch it yet. I haven't had the time. The the series that came out about Cold
Case Cameron and Ed Edwards. Oh, that's out already? It's me or it was me, whatever they ended up calling
it. they didn't call it the same as the book. Okay. Which I don't know why you didn't because
you know that they used Cold Case Cameron for the whole documentary. Right. Don't call it the same as the book.
How about you do? And how about you stop being such turd bag? Okay. So all these people want to stop.
Well, we don't know. In fairness, we don't know whose idea that was to not call it that.
No, no, no, no, no. What I mean by not being such turd bag is stop coming up with [ __ ] that just doesn't make any
sense anymore. Um so, this is coming full circle. So, a lot of people have been asking us to
talk about Ed Edwards. Oh god, yeah. And we tried one time. We We started recording episode. The problem is when
Cold Case Cameron says that he's involved in every single case. Gives you zero to well, one
zero to two pieces of evidence. Well, what's weird is he you know, some cases he might present several pieces of
evidence, let's say, or several coincidences. Mhm. But in then other cases it's so damn
loose. It's like, well, the the house was set on fire. Well, well, Ed Edwards liked to burn things. Well, okay, I have
a fireplace at my house. That doesn't mean that I'm an arsonist, you know. Right.
Um Or the or the person that was charged with the crime also likes to burn things.
What would have been great What would have been smarter for him, I think, and maybe even more convincing
Mhm. would have been to pick some of the stronger cases where you might be able to make a stronger case that Ed Edwards
was, in fact, the perpetrator of an unsolved crime or a solved crime that somebody else got blamed for.
Mhm. Pick one or two of those and really give a deep dive into it rather than picking
It seemed like Look, I In In fairness to Cameron, I've not read the entire book.
I've read portions of the book. I threw the book out because it was like like you said, any case that seemed to be
unsolved in the United States from this period to that period, he he presents a case a
story that Ed Edwards did it. Right. Perfect example is when Making a Murderer came out, at some
point there was a man that had a odd-shape oddly-shaped man. I like what you said.
And he was in the courtroom. And Ed Edwards, I think not Ed Edwards, Cold Case Cameron's, I think his it was
his daughter or somebody was actually watching a clip and was like, "Dad! Dad, come in here.
That's Ed Edwards." And if you watch this clip and you know who Ed Edwards is and you've watched
interviews with Ed Edwards, you go, "Holy [ __ ] balls, that's Ed Edwards." Right.
It looks a lot like him. The problem is they actually tracked that guy down, figured out who he was,
and he's not Ed Edwards. Mhm. So, once he sees this guy in the thing uh in the in the back of the
film footage, Cold Case Cameron goes around saying he probably did this murder. Again,
not looking at all the evidence against Steven Avery. Look, you know, and and if you're for or
against Steven Avery, you're either, "Hey, Steven did this." or there's a police conspiracy,
and that has nothing to do with Ed Edwards. So, this guy sees one clip and then decides that Ed Edwards is the is the
person that that committed these crimes. Again, proven false. We we know for a fact that the guy
that's in that footage is not Ed Edwards. So, he he tries to say that Ed Edwards would have then killed Teresa
Halbach. Mhm. And and and left evidence around Steven Avery's property to not only to not only to kill
somebody and get away with it, but also frame somebody else. Yeah, because Cold Case Cameron won't
admit this, but at first Cold Case Cameron was just saying that Ed Edwards is the the most serial he
he's the serial killer that you never heard of, that you should have heard of. That was kind of his
original thing when he'd do interviews. Now, it's all about that that Ed Edwards' MO was to commit the
crime and then get somebody else to to the blame for it. Right. So, again, here's an example of Cold
Case Cameron not knowing what he's talking about. And jumping to conclusions, and then we
find out that guy in the footage, he was accounted for. He was a guy that lived in the area. That guy maybe he was
worked for the press or something. So, I would argue to you as since we've been talking a lot about West Memphis 3,
a lot of people bring up, and you can YouTube right now, you could YouTube it right
now and put Ed Edwards West Memphis 3. Mhm. And there's a scene in Paradise Lost
where Mark Byers is with his wife and they're at the gravesite and they keep cutting to this older man.
Right. And people claim let's just let's just look at it real quick. I mean, that's
not going to it's not going to hurt anybody. I just want to show it to you again so
you can you can see uh Uh, Ed Edwards. Sometimes it comes up right away, but Ed Edwards, West Memphis
3. Well, well, for for the Making a Murderer portion, I mean, Ed Edwards would have been
very I mean, he would have been 70 He would have been in his mid-70s, early 70s for the true when Teresa Halbach was
killed. Not Not to say that he couldn't have done it. You know what I mean? But But
like you said, that guy's been accounted for. The person sitting in the courtroom
was accounted for. Right. It's not him. And Oh, yeah, this is the scene. So, here's Mark Byers and he's
at the cemetery of his son or wife. Oh, it's of his son and his wife is still alive at this time.
Polaroids. I miss Polaroid cameras. But yeah, so he's taking So, it says Ed Edward Wayne Edwards, Zodiac Killer,
West Memphis 3 Cemetery. John Cameron. I'm guessing that's Cold Case Cameron, right?
Yeah. I think Or James Is it James Cameron? No, James Cameron is somebody else. Some
other famous person. We're just really bad with names today. So, we're about a minute into this clip
and we don't see no Ed Edwards. We We We can nail the last names. Okay, see this guy?
You see this guy? So, what year would this have been? '95? Mhm. The kids were killed in '93.
The trial would have been happened Well, this probably would have been released in '95, '96.
But this I mean, he he has a pear-shape. He's a pear-shape man. But the all we know. He's wearing a cane,
right? This guy looks like Santa Claus, right? Right. That's That's all we know. Now, just
take a look. You You can pause it and take a good look. Now, let's go over here.
Look like the same guy to you? No, but that's what That's why I asked when do you think that that footage was
taken because um the picture that you're going to flip to and say doesn't look like the same
guy is taken in like 2009. 2007, 2009, something like that. So, we're talking uh
if this was filmed in '93 or '94, now we're talking about 15 years later. Right.
But, here's what I I'd argue. It's 15 years later is when he looked like that. That That Ed Edwards looked that way.
If you take Ed Edwards from that interview, No, he looked like the picture you were
about to show. The um where he's got the um oxygen in his nose. No, that's 15 years later he has oxygen
in his nose. Right. What I'm saying is that guy is This guy is super old, too. And the And this video.
Right. So, you take this guy and how many years are you adding on to this? It would be I'm guessing
20? 15 years. 15 years? Right. This guy's not alive. 15 years? Probably not. It'd be interesting if
that guy would like come forward and say, "No, that's me. I was visiting my wife's grave or my brother's grave
Well, right, but that It does look the way it it does look similar to the way Ed Edwards would have
looked in the '90s, in the early to mid-'90s. Uh I don't I I don't see it. You don't see it?
An overweight man with a white beard. Let's I mean let's just pull Let's pull it up.
That's they're they're both overweight white men with white beards. No, I get that idea.
But come on. Every white guy looks the same? Yeah, I just don't I don't see the similarities. And also
just if you go this guy looks about the same age as Ed Edwards when he died. In that footage. So, I don't know. I
think a lot of this stuff is um Cold Case Cameron grasping at straws to keep you know, trying to make a point.
When it's just like like you said, dive into a couple cases, get more evidence of each case. But maybe at some
point I don't know if it's out yet, but if I think Paramount called it it was him.
Mhm. Um and so if that's out now, maybe we should uh It was him. Um Season 1. There Are there going to be multiple
seasons? Well, that kind of makes sense, doesn't it? Because remember we So, we one we
get asked this question frequently. When when will you cover Ed Edwards? Or have
you I like the one Have you ever heard of Ed Edwards? Right. Um When we did we were in Columbus and we
did a little presentation on um Paging Dr. Horny. Yeah, Paging Dr. Horny. Sam Sheppard, Dr. Sam Sheppard and the
murder of his wife Marilyn Sheppard. We did a little Stanley Sheppard. We did a little 45-minute deal
presentation on that. And then we took we did a little Q&A afterwards and we took some questions. And one of the
questions on that day in person, you know, what not an email that we receive frequently, can you cover Ed Edwards?
Horny? It was somebody in the audience said, "Hey, when will you guys, not if or
would you, when will you cover Ed Edwards?" And you told told the the real life story of we attempted to we sat
down in the garage and two recording sessions and both of us got pissed because it was
It sucked. It sucked. We didn't know it it's a story where you don't know where to
begin because some of the accusations seem so flimsy that it's have to start off with
this guy murdered people for real. And he was tried and convicted. And here's those stories.
You have to start off there. Okay. Then you have to go through every case in the history of cases and go JonBenét
Ramsey, yes, Ed Edwards killed her. Zodiac, he's definitely the Zodiac. Here's why.
All, Black Dahlia, yeah, he cut her up. Uh West Memphis 3, killed all three boys. Oh, Making a Murder,
he killed her. The lipstick killer. The lipstick killer. Which there's a guy in there's a guy in
there's a good debate on whether that guy actually did it or not. But there was somebody sent to prison for all
three of those murders. The lipstick killer. Oh, Atlanta child murders, oh, Ed Edwards did those, too.
he did that, too? Oh, yeah. Uh See, that that's like I said, I started Adam Walsh?
I started to read the book and I I tossed it. I tossed it. Adam Walsh, too, was killed by Ed Edwards?
was killed by Ed Edwards. Some Oh, I got the we talked about this a little bit when we covered Adam Walsh,
which feels like 10 years ago, doesn't it? Mhm. But uh when we covered Adam Walsh, we
talked a little bit about the theory that Jeffrey Dahmer may have killed Adam Walsh.
He did. And there's several people that have wrote books about that. One is Yeah, which I think we brought up on the
show. Witness? I think is a is a one of the books. And there's another one called um
Stanley Kubrick. Is it Dahmer's Dirty Secret? Dirty Little Secret or something like that?
I recently I had read one when we covered Adam Walsh, but not not in anticipation of covering Adam Walsh,
just to see if there was any weight to it. And there is. There is some weight to
it, but I I just received the other book. So, I've not read it yet. Well, I've always said, I mean, the
confession was complete horse [ __ ] And for whatever reason at the time um John Walsh came out and
said, "It's possible, and we're looking into connections." He never followed that up, and then eventually just kind
of went on with uh this guy confessed he's the murderer the case is closed, move on.
And again, rightly so, because at the time Dahmer was put in jail and then I believe people asked Dahmer about it,
but he never admitted to it. One, it would be a child murder. Two, so you you have reason not to
claim that you did it, cuz you're going you're in prison. So, you're not going to confess to a child murder, because
people are going to come after you. And then two, it was a murder in Florida. Death penalty.
So, even though I believe uh I do believe Dahmer got the death penalty. Mhm. Or maybe I don't
did. Okay, so that was the other reason why he wouldn't. I mean, ultimately he did because he
would have got it. Ultimately he did because somebody decided to off him um and in a well-devised plan.
But no, when you have you got to look up the story. It's pretty interesting. There's multiple
eyewitnesses that when Dahmer was arrested and his face was all over the news, they
actually contacted the Hollywood Hollywood in Florida um police department saying,
"The guy that I saw at the mall that day or the guy that I saw with Adam was this guy that was just arrested."
And that guy's name was Jeffrey Dahmer. And again, you have multiple eyewitnesses that come forward not years
later, the day that Dahmer's arrested, the day he's in the news. You had multiple eyewitnesses come
forward and say, "The guy I saw is the guy that they arrested." And that's all the proof I need.
Well, and this is not some cold case Cameron crappola. Mhm. Jeffrey Dahmer lived in Florida during
that time period. Well, yeah, and not only did they say that they saw Jeffrey Dahmer, but they
saw they saw a man with this blue van or whatever color the van was, but there's
multiple eyewitnesses that saw that and what was Jeffrey Dahmer doing at the time? He was making deliveries. So, he
basically worked miles away from this mall, drove a van Drove a van for work. Right, multiple eyewitnesses saw a man
that looked like Jeffrey Dahmer in that van saw a guy that looked like Jeffrey Dahmer in the stores following around
people, saw a man like Jeffrey Dahmer with Adam Walsh. You know, that's all the evidence I need
right there. Hey.

Ed Edwards /// Off The Record /// Episode #22 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com Nic and the Captain discuss: Stanley Kubrick, Stephen King and Ed Edwards. Subscribe on Patreon or apple Podcast for New Episodes of OTR. www.TrueCrimeGarage.com

Brief Summary

The episode covers the Paul brothers' hacking incident, content creator responsibilities, and Stanley Kubrick's filmmaking techniques.

Key points

Birthday Hangover. A humorous take on feeling hungover from life rather than just a party.
The Paul Brothers' Controversy. A deep dive into the allegations against the Paul brothers and their father's involvement.
Cinematic Choices. Exploring how filmmakers choose visually satisfying equations for scenes.
Matthew McConaughey's Iconic Line. Discover the backstory behind McConaughey's famous 'all right' line from Dazed and Confused.
Stanley Kubrick and the Moon Landing Rumor. Exploring the theory that Kubrick was hired to fake the moon landing.
The Shining's Room 237 Mystery. Unraveling the mystery of why Stanley Kubrick changed the room number in The Shining.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The universe corrects itself.

9:41WatchFeb 5, 2024

Tension

45/ 100Some tension

More from True Crime Garage TV

Solve the Crime

Read a real case one clue at a time, then see how your call held up against the investigators.