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true crime. [music] >> [music] >> September 7th, 1996, Las Vegas, Nevada. This was supposed to be a big day in
sports. A lot of people, a lot of celebrities, they had made their way to Vegas to see the big boxing match. This
is Bruce Seldon verse Mike Tyson build as the championship part two. >> Mhm. Bruce Seldon was the WBA
heavyweight champion. He had a record of 33 and3. And Iron Mike Tyson, just three
fights removed from his time in prison, won all three fights. In his previous fight, he had just captured the WBC
heavyweight title. Tyson's record, a very impressive 44-1. Of course, the big fight was broadcast live on
pay-per-view, and the fight was held at the MGM Grand in beautiful Las Vegas. And I can't remember if I actually
watched this fight, but any child of the '9s, um, you would know your your father
would get the Tyson fights and they'd last about like a minute and then your father would be yelling
>> cuz they they paid all this money to watch a a minute long fight. >> Well, unfortunately, the big fight was
really a much to do about nothing because Tyson mopped the floor with the guy, right? Tyson knocked Seldon down
twice, both times connecting with a powerful left hook. And Tyson won by way of knockout in the first round in just 1
minute 49 seconds, making it one of the shortest championship fights in boxing history. In attendance that night, as we
said, were plenty of celebrities. You know, Vegas is only about an hour and a half long flight from Los Angeles.
>> Yeah. Four 4 hour 5 hour drive from LA as well. So, of course, we have Tupac Shakur was present and he was there with
Death Row Record CEO Suge Knight and their entourage of friends, family, and business associates. Well, after the
fight, this is sometime between 8:30 and 900 p.m., someone in Tupac Sug's entourage, a guy by the name of Trayvon,
he spots this dude, Orlando Anderson, nicknamed Baby Lane. >> We'll just call him Orlando. But Orlando
is 21 years old and he's a member of the Well, I believe it's the a member of the
Southside Crips. Well, this is no good because they had beef. >> Mhm. >> Apparently, Orlando and some of his [ __ ]
buddies had robbed someone in the Foot Locker store earlier that year. Uh it sounds like this person who was robbed
was was with Tupac and Suge in Vegas that night. Right. So that guy uh Trayvon, he points out to or he points
out Orlando to Suge and Pac. >> And this is not going to end too well for Orlando.
>> No, no, this is going to end about as good for Orlando as it does for Seldon in the boxing match. Tupac led the
attack. He ran up and he hit Orlando. Uh Suge and the rest joined in. They took Orlando to the ground pretty quickly, uh
kicking him while he was down. Uh Tupac in the death row, guys. Uh they had their own security with them there that
night. >> Well, and you can if you YouTube this, you can actually find the fight online.
Uh not the actual Tyson fight, but the fight afterwards with Tupac. You can find that on YouTube.
>> Mhm. Yeah. It was caught on surveillance camera that night. Well, one of the private security uh for the death row
guys, he pretty quickly pulled Tupac from the fight. And if you if you watch the surveillance footage, this all
happens very quickly. You can kind of see Pac run up and appear to hit the guy and then you see this like just this
crowd of I'm guessing entourage people that that follow in very quickly behind. >> And I'm just going to throw this out
there because I've I've seen this multiple times as far as conspiracy theories go. A lot of people think that
it's actually not Tupac in the video that the size and the build of Tupac is disproportionate to actually what Tupac
was. Um, I think as as far as like the police reports of this incident and the security reports that happened, it's
pretty clear that Tupac was there. Also, there is some speculation that he was wearing a bulletproof vest at the time
as Tupac was known to wear a bulletproof vest multiple times. There's also a rumor that uh Sug Knight
>> that's now I can't find this myself. I've looked over and over, but there's somewhere in the video footage where Sug
Knight is actually trying to get Tupac to take off his vest. Now, again, that's just rumors that I've heard. I can't
back that up um by by me actually watching the video myself. >> Mhm. Well, after after this scuffle
takes place um around 900 p.m., everyone in the group uh they in Tupac's group, they kind of head their separate ways.
They all go to their hotel rooms. They're going to get cleaned up, you know, change clothes and get ready to go
out for the night. The plan being that they're going to a club. >> Well, right. And and I think the thing
is, and I'm not very for sure about this because they say that Tupac was supposed
to make an appearance. Now, I don't know if that was if he was supposed to perform or just show up because
sometimes these celebrities or these rappers would get paid to go to afterparty.
>> Yeah. And and you're right about that. I had heard I had heard it both ways. Um,
but the the way that I've heard it the most is that he was to perform that evening.
>> Okay. Yeah. And then some of that stuff too is it's just like a birthday party,
like a celebrity kids birthday party or something. You want to talk about easy money? Sometimes they're paid six
figures to show up and do one tune. >> Mhm. Well, and the thought could be, Captain, that that his appearance or his
performance that night at the 662 club might fund the entire trip for all those guys to go out there, you know, and and
it's good publicity for him uh to sell records as well. >> And and let's go back a little bit
because Tupac is there with Suge Knight, >> but didn't travel with him. He's traveling with his cousin. Um, and he's
traveling with his girlfriend at the time, which was uh Quincy Jones's daughter,
>> and I can't recall his cousin's name, but it's it's a female cousin. >> Yeah.
>> Um, >> they they shared like a birthday month. And so he's like, "Hey, come to Vegas
and and let's party." But before this all went down, uh there was a lot of speculation and rumors from Tupac's
family that he for some reason just wasn't feeling up to going to Vegas that weekend.
>> Mhm. Well, I think that points out something to me about Pac's character because we, you know, as we showed
yesterday, he did not have a great family structure, let's say. um he didn't have an easy time growing up, but
I've seen plenty of videos and plenty of evidence that as an adult as you know once successful that he always tried to
you know do things with his family, keep his family together and as you said brought along the cousin on this trip.
Well, this is when he goes back up to his room to get >> Well, to touch on that a little bit,
what you were saying before and a lot of Tupac's interviews, he would talk and and I have a lot of respect for him for
this cuz his whole thing was, yeah, I'm becoming famous and yeah, I'm getting a bunch of money, but I don't need a a ton
of stuff. I'm going to I'm going to support my family. >> Mhm. >> And I'm going to no matter how much
money that costs to to help them out, I'm going to help them out. Well, and as we mentioned, the cousin is along on
this trip, and when when Tupac goes up to his room to get cleaned up for the evening, change of clothes, uh he, you
know, and this is her words, she says, you know, he he was he was on like cloud9 when he came up to the room. He
he was excited because he he he loved watching the boxing match, >> right? >> Uh he was probably pretty jacked up from
that. And then that might have been why he ran up and it wasn't so hard to get Tupac to run up and punch this guy,
>> right? >> Um and so he was kind of pumped up and bragging to her a little bit about uh
the fight that he had had in the in the lobby comparing himself to Mike Tyson. And um she says that when he
>> Right. Right. >> You're not as big as Mike Tyson, but >> when he goes up there to change his
clothes, you know, it was it was regular Tupac, Mr. happy golucky and she didn't
see anything that would put off any any warnings to her. Now, one thing that she
did think was strange was he left the room without his bulletproof vest. >> Right
>> now, um when once he gets downstairs, a bodyguard suggests to Pac that he should
wear the vest that night and Pac says, "Nah, it's going to be it's going to be too hot here tonight." Right.
>> Um so they're going to Club 662. Um, I have in my notes that Pac was performing
there, but as we said, it could have just been an appearance. Now, the group before they make it to the club, they go
to Suge Knight's mansion. He has a mansion in the area, and they're there for about a half an hour or so. And
during the course of this visit, Pac and Suge, they're off in what I'm going to call it a secret meeting, but no, nobody
in the group titles it as that. They just said that for for a portion of that time at Suge's Suge's house, the two of
them were off somewhere. They didn't know why they weren't with the group or what they were discussing or what was
going on. When they go to leave Suge's mansion, uh Pox's bodyguard, this is Frank Alexander.
>> Well, and to be fair, I mean, this is his label, right? So, it could have just
been, "Hey, something came up. We need to discuss this real quick in private." >> Yeah. it it may not have been anything
of great importance of things that were going to happen that evening, >> right? >> Um the bodyguard, Frank Alexander, he
says that he would typically ride with Tupac in the vehicle and he was prepared. He said he was standing at the
car with the back door open getting ready to ride in the back seat with Suge Knight and Tupac on their way to the
club that evening. He says in this statement u in in this particular documentary that I was watching that Pac
had suggested to him that he should take another car, that he should drive in another car because they'll probably
have extra people, additional people coming back from the club to the hotel afterwards and they may need additional
vehicles. Right >> now, we've also heard statements that Pac told him to ride in the vehicle with
his then fiance or girlfriend at the time. The pro the problem I have with the the
and >> Quincy Jones's daughter, >> right? And the reason why I'm kind of pointing this out is because people have
put a lot of speculation on why the bodyguard would not be with Pac. And I think you should first of all, but
second of all, the problem I have with it is that there's so many different statements. You know, is it possible
that he rode with the girlfriend and additional guys in that in that car? Yes, it's possible. But in his
statement, he never mentions Frank Alexander's statement. He never mentions the the girlfriend at the time.
>> The problem though being I I believe that that we've seen varying accounts from Mr. Frank Alexander. Uh and and I
don't mean drastic varying accounts. I mean slightly varying accounts. So I'm just kind of covering our bases there.
>> But so he's not going to ride with Pac. Now, there's been other people that have
suggested that Suge Knight told Pac to suggest to the bodyguard to ride in another vehicle,
>> right? But we have the bodyguard's claims that it was Pox. So, >> so we have basically a threecar convoy
and we have Suge Knight and Pac. They are in a 96 BMW 750il, which uh I'm not a not a Suge backer. Uh
but he's got good taste in cars, I got to tell you that. It's a rental though, right?
>> Around around is it >> I don't know for Hey, look from all the statements after Pac dies is that you
know everything was leased anyways. It was own anything. >> I I Yes, I think we should be I don't
think it was Well, actually, I should say I know it wasn't a rental. It could have been a lease. Regardless, um around
11 p.m. they are stopped. This is uh Tupac's car. They're stopped on the Las Vegas Boulevard. This is by Metro
Bicycle Police. Uh, [laughter] >> come on. Can you imagine being stopped by cops on a bike?
>> Well, there's a lot of people walking around down there. >> No, I understand that. But I'm just
saying, you know, if you're walking and you get stopped by a cop on a bike, not a big deal. But if you're driving and a
cop on a bike stops you, I'd be going, "What are you doing?" >> Well, apparently they're stopped for
their stereo being too loud. and there's no license plates on their vehicle. >> Um, these license plates for whatever
reasons were not on the car. They're later found in the trunk of the car. Um, there's no ticket issued. Um, there, you
know, they kind of leave without any >> right >> without any altercation at all. Um, but
not long after that, this would take us to around about 11:10, 11:15 p.m. Now, we have to we have to kind of picture
this a as we're talking about it because, you know, this is audio. We can't show you any diagrams here, but
picture the three car convoy pulling up to the corner of Flamingo and Corval, >> right? And it looks like it's five lanes
at the intersection. >> Yeah. So you have you have a vehicle in front which has got you know death row
guys in it and then in the middle vehicle you have Suge Knight who's driving and you have Tupac Shakur who's
sitting shotgun and then there's >> Yeah. >> And then there's a vehicle behind them
as well which contains more of their entourage. So as they pull up as the captain said this is a multi-lane road.
Um, the vehicles are driving uh in this threecar convoy, but they're they're straightforward. They're not side by
side. It's one, two, three as they pull up. Now, they have a there's there's a bit of, you know, there's a vehicle next
to them that has some lovely ladies in it. And Sug Knight and Tupac exchange some words with these ladies, uh,
inviting them to the club, uh, for his performance. Well, a white four-door late model Cadillac with an unknown
number of occupants pulled up to the sedan's right side. So, we have the the girls in their vehicle are on the left
side of Suge and Pac. >> Mhm. >> And so, this vehicle pulls up to the right of them. So, if you can picture
this, their car, Suge Knight's car, is basically boxed in on all four sides. Mhm.
>> And so this vehicle pulls up to the right hand side, uh, rolled down a window, and rapidly fired gunshots. Um,
I've I've heard that 14 shots were fired is the most common number given here. Um, this is fired at Suge and Tupac's
vehicle. Tupac was hit four times. Twice in the chest, once in the arm, and once
in the thigh. One of the bullets went into Tupac's right lung. Knight was hit. Suge Knight was hit in the head uh by a
fragmentation or a piece of piece of a bullet or a piece of glass. It's a little unclear. Um and and I got to say
that it's unclear. Part of that is because of Suge Knight's own statements. If you you don't have to look very hard
where you can see him in an interview saying, "I was hit with a bullet in the head and and it I still got a bullet
lodged in my head." That's that's not accurate by anything that I could find it. It it actually is probably a blatant
lie, >> but he he's hit with either a fragment of a bullet or some kind of glass that
that does some damage to his head and he's bleeding quite badly. >> And the white Cadillac is it's in the
right hand turn lane and it's going to turn right onto Corvville. >> Yeah. In the bodyguard, Frank Alexander,
he says that one of the death row cars went after the white Cadillac. >> Uh, but he states that that nothing came
of this. Suge's car pulls away. Now, Suge is still driving. He's driving erratically at this time
>> and the car itself is badly damaged because I think Suge hit a few things with the vehicle and the car eventually
breaks down. Now, this is not terribly far from the scene of the shooting. The first officer to arrive at the scene was
a now retired officer. His name is Chris Carroll. Suge is out of the vehicle at this point. Uh the officer Carol, he's
trying to open the passenger door to get Pac out of the vehicle. Uh but it's stuck or it's jammed, but for whatever
reason, he can't seem to get the door open. Now Suge keeps coming up behind the officer and running up behind him
and the officer is trying to gain control of this of this situation because he doesn't really know what's
going on here. You know, he can see that that Tupac is in bad shape. Uh he sees Suge who is bleeding from the head and
in his his exact words were he's bleeding pretty badly, right? >> Uh the officer at this point, you know,
he doesn't know if these two guys might have shot each other. um he's not really
sure what's going on. So, he's got to kind of protect himself, but try to offer some assistance to these guys at
the same time, right? So, he keeps kind of pointing his gun at Suge and saying, "Dude, you got to you got
>> you got to lay down. You got to back off so I can get this door open." >> Well, in fairness to the cop, too. I
mean, Suge is a pretty big guy. >> Well, that's funny that you say that because he that's exactly what he states
in his in his interview. You know, he said, "My first thought is I see this giant man." And he says, "He's huge.
This guy is huge. He's running around. I'm worried about him coming up behind me." He goes, "And the guy's bleeding
from the head, but he seems all there." You know what I mean? He seems he knows what's going on. He's he's with it. But
he keeps saying, you know, I was shocked that this dude was even walking around.
I think I think the officer may have thought because of the amount of blood coming from Suge that he was shot much
worse than what he was. >> Right. >> Anyway, he's trying to gain control of the situation. He can't get the vehicle
door open. According to whoever you want to believe, the officer says he eventually gets the door open. Sugge
Knight says that he has to keep coming up and trying to help the officer because the officer couldn't figure out
how to get the door open or take off the seat belt. Well, we'd assume that maybe
the door is jammed because of the shots >> or or from Suge hitting something with
the vehicle. >> True. Right. >> So, there's there's plenty of reason for it to be jammed. According to the
officer, he finally gets the door open and he at this point he >> Yeah, but is at this point, isn't this
when uh they open up the door and Tupac's body just kind of falls out? >> Yeah. If he kind of falls out of the
vehicle and he's kind of like leaning up against the open door at this point. >> Yeah. He's been hit four times, right?
>> Mhm. He said, you know, so he, the officer says, I I grabbed him with my left arm. He falls out into me and I've
still got my gun in the other hand. Uh he say stating that Tupac is covered in blood and he noticed that immediately
noticed that the guy's got a ton of gold on and he's got, you know, necklace and
jewelry and all >> lot of rings that night. You can actually uh Google search Tupac the
night of the fight and you can see what he was wearing and you can see he had multiple rings on each finger. The
officer says that all of the gold, all the jewelry is covered in blood. Uh and he says that he the the other guy just
keeps yelling, you know, u and and Suge's still yelling now. Now Suge is yelling pac pac. Uh and he just keeps
yelling it over and over again. And this is when the officer realizes who who he's encountered. You know, he wasn't
aware that it was Tupac until now he's got him out of the vehicle. He sees all the blood and now he's putting
everything together. >> Now the officer is stating that Tupac is also trying to yell back at Suge Knight.
>> Yeah. And the officer says that at some point, very quickly, Tupac goes from yelling back at Suge to trying to speak
or struggling to speak. >> Uh he's not being super cooperative with the officer, but he's probably in a
whole lot of shock as well. Um to the point where he he basically could not he couldn't speak very much at all. You
know, almost kind of like, you know, [snorts] he's out of energy. He's he's been taken down. And
>> well, yeah. And >> the off well the officer is trying to get some information from Pac because
once he realizes how badly this guy's been been shot and injured, you know, he wants to find out who shot him. Can you
tell me any information at all? >> And he he asked him that several times. Who shot you? Who shot you? Um and he
says at some point Tupac looked at him and took a breath uh to get some words out. And when Tupac opened up his mouth,
the officer thought that he was actually going to tell him who shot him or or offer some cooperation, right?
>> Uh but then the words came out from Pac, "F you." >> And then after that, he started gurgling
and kind of slipping out of consciousness. >> And at this point, the ambulance is
going to show up. They're going to take Tupac to the hospital. Now, this uh this
officer that talked to Tupac or tried to help Tupac was saying that he never spoke another word after the FU. And
then there was also a officer that rode in the ambulance with Tupac and he also question him as well trying to get
answers because obviously they know somebody shot him. >> Mhm. Well, and then once they get to the
hospital, we have this situation where he has to be rushed immediately into surgery to try to save his life. So,
he's, you know, he's in surgery. He's heavily sedated. Um, th this is this is a strange thing here, Captain. A very
strange thing to me. >> It's possible that both stories are true, but yesterday we reported that
when when Pac was shot in New York that his somebody in his group had informed the police that that somebody was coming
back to the hospital to finish the job. And we stated that that that was probably very likely because Tupac
rushed out of the hospital. He left a lot earlier than the doctors wanted him to.
>> Now, the same story is basically repeated verbatim here as well where somebody in the group called the police
and stated that somebody's going to come back to the hospital to finish the job.
We need to get an officer here. Um, and they're told that they're underst staffed. There's no officer available to
guard the the hospital room or to guard Tupac. I don't know. >> But well, the other problem I have with
this though too is that you have bodyguards that you're that you're paying >> their salary. So, you know, wouldn't
these bodyguards be able to be at the at the hospital to protect Tupac? >> Yeah. It's it's just the reason why I
question it. Um, I don't question it in the sense that somebody's life was in danger. And there's, of course,
immediate threat in both situations. I kind of question it because it's the exact same story two times in a row. I I
just don't know that it that one of those stories actually happened. Um, I believe it happened at least once. I I
just think that the waters are a little murky and and some of the stories may have bled into one another. Sorry,
that's a poor choice of words, but it may have carried over from one incident to the other.
>> Well, and what I was saying before, um, to me, this is just all pretty sad. You
know, I I can't understand. Maybe Tupac didn't know who shot him, but I >> he might not have even seen anything. I
mean, he was he was basically ambushed when you think about it. He was he was shot. It was a surprise attack.
>> Well, and I'm Right. But I'm and I'm very well aware that me and you know me and Tupac grew up in way different
circumstances. I'm just you know if somebody shot me and I knew, wouldn't you want to say? Uh
right. >> I I understand it's a whole different uh situation. But that's what's so sad to
me is is that maybe uh his fans or his family or anybody could have got some answers uh if he was just willing to to
talk, you know, and and say the name. But again, like you said, maybe he didn't didn't say the name.
>> Yeah. I >> or didn't know or didn't see anything. >> I have a feeling that I I don't think he
he saw who did this. um or he didn't didn't know them enough to be able to identify anybody. Um but once he's at
the hospital, you know, we we we all know the sad story from here. You know, he's he's placed on some different type
of life support machines. Um, now now to show you how tough this dude was, uh, you know, Tupac would, you know, we
talked about yesterday he he's shot several times in New York and he leaves the hospital against doctor's orders.
Um, and you know, me me I break a leg, I'm down for six months. This guy >> maybe six years.
>> Yeah. This guy, he's just he's right back at it. He's a real man. So this situation here, they at some point they
have to sedate him because he's trying to get out of bed. This guy is is, you know, just breaths away from
lifelessness and yet he's got the strength somehow to to get out of bed, >> right?
>> Um unfortunately on the afternoon of September 13th. >> Well, yeah. Well, but the what's
reported, and this is where kind of the conspiracy stuff kind of falls into play, is some some of it um reported
that he goes into a coma and then he has to have more more surgeries because uh where the bullets hit and then that
possibly they had to remove a lung. >> Mhm. >> Uh and then several days later, like you
said, he he is reported dead. >> Yeah. He passes away. Um and it sounds like they were the doctors were trying
to revive him. Uh but after quite some time, his his mother uh made the decision and told the doctors to stop uh
trying. He's pronounced dead at uh 4:03 p.m. on September 13th. [music] >> [music]
>> All right, we're back. Cheers, mates. >> Cheers. Well, let's talk about the investigation a little bit. And this
won't take us too long before we get to some of the other more widely talked about things in this in this case, but
in September of 1997, one year after Tupac was killed, the Las Vegas Police uh made a statement. This is Sergeant
Kevin Manning. He told the Review Journal, that's the local Las Vegas newspaper, that Tupac slang, they didn't
believe it to be motivated by a gang war or arguments within the rap world. Um, it said he says that it appears to them
that the motivation would be some type of personal dispute more than anything. And two of the detectives that were on
this case, I I thought they made an interesting statement. They were saying, you know, yeah, you know, Tupac had a
lot of opinions on police officers, but that had no weight or bearing on their commitment to solve this case that that
when they signed up to be detectives, when they decid when they decided to be police officers, they took an oath and
and everybody that they were working for uh deserved to have closure to deserve to have their case solved.
>> Mhm. They also said that they had a lot of theories, you know, a lot of theories
as to what went down that night, who was responsible, but stating that they have
no witnesses willing to cooperate or any direct evidence implicating any specific
individual. Now, police at the time said that Tupac's associates knew who killed
him. Um, >> and that that would be definitely Suge Knight, which was in the car with him.
>> Mhm. But they unable to make a case, they state. Now, we also have some FBI documents that have come out over the
years. In 2011, a highly redacted 359page document was released on the AY's website. This is a common site to post
records that are of the subject of several Freedom of Information Act request. Now, within those documents,
you'll see that the that the FBI's information is slightly different uh regarding this investigation as far as
what we just heard from the Vegas police. But I also want to throw out there that within these FBI documents,
they are actually talking about their investigation into both the death of Tupac and Biggie. So within these
documents, it says that the FBI did spend a lot of time examining a link between uh the two killings. They also
spent a lot of time examining the link between some LAPD officers who might have been members of street gangs or who
worked security for Death Row and the ties between the record label and the Blood Gang members. And one of the
things that the FBI would talk about with the connection with the Blood Gang is that they actually thought possibly
both shootings were connected to the Southside Crips or the Southside Compton Crips.
>> Yeah. That they that the Crips may have masterminded both of the uh the killings. Um here's another strange
thing in this whole case though. There was another shooting. Uh this took place in November, just two months after
Tupac's death. Mhm. >> Um, this the victim here is 19year-old and I I have to apologize, but I have no
idea how to say this young man's name. >> I think it's Yafi Fuller. >> Fooler, I believe. And he actually had
uh two names. Um, the other name that he went by was Yaki Kaddafi. Um, but I apologize if we misspoke on those, but I
think we got pretty close there, Captain. >> We're trying our best. >> Yeah. Regardless, this young man, he was
he was a backup singer in Tupac's group, The Outlaws. Um he was shot in a ha in a
hallway of a housing project in Orange, New Jersey. This was 2 months after Tupac's death, just 19 years old. Uh he
was part of Pox Entourage in Las Vegas and was a passenger in a car directly behind Tupac's car when when the artist
was killed. Now, um, police say that Foola's murder was unrelated to Tupac's case, even though Foola was the only
witness who told Metro investigators that night that he could possibly identify Pox asalent.
>> Mhm. >> Fool was killed before police could question him further at length. And like
we were talking about a little bit during the break, our detailed account of the night or the shooting or where
the cars were and all that stuff. We probably didn't do um home room [snorts] job of, but we're going to get back to a
lot of that stuff when we go through the theories. >> Yes. And there's varying accounts of
those, but as you'll see as we go through these different things, it's going to come we're going to have to
come back to it a couple of times. Um, so let's talk about some of the widely discussed theories about Tubac's death
and who killed him. >> Well, and here's just a little um, warning. If you're just the facts man,
if you're just the facts man, then you probably don't want to listen after this.
>> You're just the first part of the show, man. >> Right. >> So, all right. So, the the first theory
is that the Illuminati had something to do with the death of Tupac. >> Um, you know, in 1996,
>> well, yeah, they Death Road Records releases. I'm just going to interrupt you cuz I don't think you'll be able to
say it. Don Klluminati. >> There you go. Very good. When I see that word, I I my brain immediately separates
it into two words. >> Captain Conspiracy is here today, my friend. >> Yeah. The the 7-day theory. Uh which
reportedly features lyrics predicting Tupac's death. Uh it is alleged that Tupac developed a dislike for the
Illuminati. uh the the power the organ organization supposedly yields while in prison in 1995.
>> Um so, you know, this has been brought up time and time again that this that these very important shadowy figures
with lots of power took this guy out because he was outspoken and he was going to speak out against such people.
Well, and one of the things that uh kind of the theory behind the Illuminati as far as it goes with the the rap world or
the music world is the idea that we'll, you know, we need to dumb down America. We need to dumb down the world. And if
we can dumb them down, then we can kind of do whatever we want and they're just not going to be focused on that.
>> So, you need rappers to be talking about [ __ ] and hoes, right? You need uh some dumb music out there. You don't
need to have people saying socially relevant stuff and [clears throat] >> well, you don't want to get the people
thinking too much, right? Or asking too many questions, >> right? And so a lot of the stuff that
Tupac and one of the things that drew me and you know, it wasn't like I was this
kid listening to Tupac was afterwards and this the studying of him and the and then I was really interested when um
some of my college professor friends were saying, "Oh, they're teaching classes on him now." Mhm.
>> Okay. Well, why? And you start diving into his interviews and what he is saying about, you know, you know, you
need to empower yourself. You know, you need to get education and it doesn't have to be through a four years in
college, but you need to educate yourself. And he was he was saying things like this. So, the kind of this
theory is, yeah, Tupac had some of these, you know, you know, quote unquote gangster rap type songs, but he was also
saying stuff of empowerment. >> Mhm. And and so the idea would be that they would want to get rid of him
because he was trying to uplift. And if you really dive into what he was talking
about with the thug life stuff, which I never knew much about that. I just thought it was just kind of some silly
thing he'd say, thug life. But it's really this mantra and these ways and he was actually writing up laws and and
things that people could follow. And if you follow this thug life, it wasn't really to be a thug at all. It was to
uplift yourself, educate yourself, get yourself out of this situation. >> And one could argue this is kind of, you
know, possibly from Tupac's upbringing. I mean, his mother was a Black Panther and a lot of the stuff that the Black
Panther Party stood for actually was, you know, there was some socially relevant stuff there as well. So, I
think some of that education came down from his mother. Well, and I think a lot of these thoughts too that that Tupac
was putting out and that some of the thoughts that the Black Panther Party has put out over the years is that, you
know, united we are much better than we are as individuals. And who would that scare? Well, that would scare the people
in power, the people that might trying to be quote unquote control us. You know, it's almost it's very reminiscent
of when we discussed uh Joseph Columbo, the the the guy that was uniting Italian
Americans, right? and the thought that he was probably that he could have been killed by people or organizations of
power because he was uniting people and he was he was getting people to believe in themselves, believe in their
community and believe in their brothers and sisters around them to to stand up for themselves and stand up for their
communities and and to have a voice. Well, and the other thing that Tupac talks about a lot is, you know, Gangster
Rap was talking about the real the real struggles that were happening on the streets and the deaths that were
happening on the streets. And therefore, since they were bringing it to light, there was some statistics that were
done. And he always talked about how the the powers of be want to shut that down.
And the government for a lot of times like uh Tipper Gore was like spearheaded you know let's just let's not allow this
music to come out and one of the Tupac's ideas was you don't want us to talk about this so so the problem goes away
but the problem's not going to go away you you know people are just not going to report on it anymore. There's still
going to be people killing each other but you're not going to care because it's never reported to you. Mhm. Well,
and we should mention the FBI thing here because I I don't necessarily know that
it fits 100%, but it but it in itself I don't know that it's a separate theory. So, let's just cover that now while
we're on this topic because, you know, the thought is that potentially the government or the FBI killed somebody
like Tupac because of reasons we just stated. But the evidence to that would be that there is uh there's some proof
out there that he might have been being watched by certain agencies. >> Yeah, he definitely was.
>> And he might have even being been watched while he was in Las Vegas. >> Yeah. Okay. So, he was a Okay, here's a
couple things. So, one, he was a outspoken black male. So, with power, too. I mean, the bigger his albums got,
the more power he actually had. And I think they knew that just as much as the CIA had uh, you know, has files on, you
know, Maynard Keenan, right? >> Uh, James Mayor Keenan from Tulle, they have uh files on John Lennon.
I think, and I think it's naive to think that they shouldn't have those, right? >> Right.
>> So, you know, we were kind of joking off off air that there's a good possibility
that the CIA has files on us. I mean, they're the most boring files they have, but they might have files on us.
>> They have compromising photos of me [laughter] >> from a what t-shirt contest? Um, but
yeah. So, did they have files on him? Yes. And if you if you look at these documentaries of Tupac, sometimes you'll
see these surveillance footage and it'll say FBI surveillance footage. Here's where it's not so clear. Is is was that
surveillance footage from the club that the FBI attained? >> Mhm. >> Or was it the actual FBI
doing the surveillance, >> right? >> And that's not clear. >> So, we have the Illuminati theory. We
have the possibility of FBI or CIA involvement. Um, the way that I look at this thing, Captain, is I wanted to kind
of, you know, for if anybody's panicking, I wanted to kind of start with the theories that were a little
more outside of the box and kind of work our way closer to the box if we could. So,
>> we'll eventually get to our opinions on these theories. >> Yeah. So, so the next theory of of who
killed Tupac would be that nobody killed Tupac, that that he is uh that he's alive and well and possibly living in
Cuba. you know, we we talked about his his aunt being there. Um there is an article that was published um that that
says that he's been in hiding the whole time. There's probably several of those articles. Um but we've also seen all
kinds of pictures of him supposedly that he could be living anywhere. Uh possibly
Tupac lookalikes or supposedly Tupac himself. >> Yeah, there's a lot of talk too that he
kind of knew this was going to happen. He fell in love with uh Maveli >> and Maveli was um was a guy that faked
his own death. >> Um I I believe that Maveli actually faked his own death and then came back.
I'm not really >> I I'm not schooled on that very well. Um I I thought he was somebody that talked
of some kind of strategy about faking one's own death, >> right? No, I actually believe he
actually did. So, so the fact that he talks a lot about this and and actually actually talked about being rebirth, uh,
Tupac talked about being rebirth and actually being Maveli now. Um, I think because of a lot of that talk, um, look,
when you're shot five times and you kind of see the writing on the wall, >> was he a fortune teller? I don't think
so. So, I think he knew that the the people he was surrounding himself with and the the entertainment
uh industry that he was in, he knew that if he wasn't making changes, he'd probably end up dead.
>> Well, and he's not he's not an idiot. I mean, the Tupac's a very intelligent man, and he he knows that he he might be
in a bad situation. You know, if this happened once, it could happen again. and I barely escaped the first time. You
know, it's very likely. >> Well, and then there's all these weird talks about the autopsy because you have
the autopsy photo. The the problem with that I I are those real photos or not. So, a lot of people
will say, "Well, this is photoshopped or it's a fake photo." Maybe it is a fake photo.
>> And so, then that destroys the whole argument about the autopsy photos. Um now I
>> but but then he got cremated. >> So he got cremated really quickly. >> Yeah. So the reports are that that he
was cremated the next day. Now it's they're kind of loosey goosey reports because some people will say as late as
24 hours after he passed away or as early as 10 to 12 hours after he passed away.
>> Yeah. And that's pretty suspicious. But then we also have the death certificate.
>> Yeah. So, I was trying to find an autopsy because there's been arguments that there was one conducted that there
is no autopsy. I got nowhere with that. The best I could do was locate a death certificate. Now,
>> well, and let's let me be clear about the autopsy. There might not be one, and
I'm not I'm not a doctor, you know. I'm a captain. But the the thing is here is that we know that he had a punctured
lung or something was wrong with his lung because of the gunshot. >> Shot in the lung. Yeah.
>> And they had to pull I I believe they had to remove >> um the lung. >> Yeah. >> So I think maybe there wasn't an autopsy
because they were already doing all these surgeries. So they already know. >> So it's not like a you know we showed up
to this house and Tupac was murdered. It was he was in the hospital for multiple
days. >> Yeah. But on the death certificate itself, um the two things that stand out
there are that the height and weight listed on the death, let's be clear, the one that I saw,
>> right? >> They're not accurate. They the death certificate that I saw has him listed as
6' tall, 215 lbs. Well, that's Tupac was nowhere near 6' tall. He was nowhere near 215 lbs. 5'8, 5'9". He was about
160 to 170 lb. >> Yeah. And I would say if he's 170 lb, that's soaking wet with 10 rolls of
quarters in his pocket because he was a very lean uh a very lean guy. >> Yeah. And I think if you look at the
like I said, Google image search Tupac Shakur the the the night of the fight, he actually looks thinner than normal.
>> Yeah. And the thing with the death certificate is is two things. Okay, so first of all, I reviewed the whole
thing. There's nothing else on that document that I called into question. It was only the height and weight that
appeared to be wrong to me. They even had his his birth name on there. They had, you know, that his mother had
signed off on it. The problem is I'm seeing it on a computer in the garage, right? It's not a an official document
by the state of Nevada that was handed to me. I it it's it's something that somebody could have very easily
doctorred and put on the internet. >> Yeah. Okay. So, I'm just going to give my opinion on this if he's actually
dead. Now, a couple things. Uh, a lot of conspiracy theorists will say that when
his mother gives interviews, maybe she smirks or something like this. She gave plenty of interviews claiming that he
died. I mean, and explaining to you, oh, by the way, I'm the one that had to let
it go, you know, and I had to say, hey, let's let's stop this. He he doesn't want to be a prison. Uh he doesn't want
to be a prisoner here anyways. He he's not happy with what's going on anyways, and he's now struggling,
you know, let let him let his soul move on. Mhm. >> And so I'm just going to go with the
fact that that's what she has stated over and over and over. And why wouldn't I want to believe a mother? I understand
that the idea of the conspiracy theorist of him faking his own death would be well, yeah, his mom would cover up for
him. >> And I Yeah, I think that uh unfortunately it would be great if he was still alive and but but I think it's
a very unlikely theory. Um the other the next one would be the Jewish >> Let me just Okay, so so we can put a bow
on this, right? >> There are maybe two because look, a lot of anybody that's into conspiracy will be like you you
guys missed this or you missed that. Well, yeah, I understand that there's some videos that were made in Cuba of a
rapper and possibly Tupac in the background for 0.002 seconds. Uh, I don't know what to make
of that. You know, it kind of looks like him. All I can say on that theory is there's there's two things that have
have me um that are hard for me to wrap my head around. One, the amount of eyewitness accounts in Haiti that have
come forward to uh um authorities saying that they saw Tupac, it's like a crazy amount, like 10,000 reports.
>> Mhm. The other one is there's like two photos out there. If you Google search
two box alive, you can search through and and take a gander yourself. But there's two
um in my eyes that I have a hard time explaining. So that's all I'm going to put out
there. But do I believe he's dead? I do believe he's dead. The third theory would be the Jewish Defense League. Uh,
the FBI reportedly discovered threats to Tupac as well as rapper Easy E from the
far-right pro-Israel political religious group, the Jewish Defense League, the JDL. Uh, it is alleged that the JDL made
anonymous death threats against Tupac and then offered him protection services for and trade for large sums of money.
When this money wasn't paid, it is alleged that JDL murdered Tupac. Um, but the the the FBI has has discovered these
threats and has stated this, but they also state that there is no link between the JDL and the killing of Tupac that
has ever been discovered by them. >> Well, if there's a conspiracy on death that you want to look into, uh,
something that's pretty fascinating, easy, that'd be one. >> As far as a conspiracy, that's one that
I've looked into. I can't explain it myself. The next theory would be Suge Knight that that Suge Knight had had
Tupac killed, that it was some kind of hit, some kind of conspiracy against a guy in his own organization. Um,
>> this is a theory that I really dove a lot into because going into it, I I thought that this was a pretty likely
theory. you know, when I was uh when I was younger, uh I I really did think that probably either, you know, somebody
from the East Coast group had Pac killed or that or that Sugge Knight did it. So,
this is one that I dove into quite a bit. The the the theory goes like this, that supposedly
um Suge Knight owed Tupac about $3 million, >> possibly a lot more. >> Yeah. and he also might have known that
Tupac was looking to leave Death Row Records >> uh in order to start his own label. So,
the theory runs that if Tupac was killed, Death Row Records would profit from any unreleased material, which we
know he had a ton of it because the albums kept coming out. Um, Death Row Records have released a number of his
albums since his death. >> Well, right. And then his mother comes out and does a report stating, "Hey,
when when we're talking about that BMW earlier and I said it was probably leased, the reason why I was stating
that is if you look at the the report that the mom came out with, she said, "Look, my my son died broke,
>> right?" >> And when my son would get angry um at Death Row Records and started saying,
"Where's my damn money?" They would drop off a Bentley. >> And so Tupac would be like, "Okay, well,
I got a Bentley." Oh, he Tupac's Madigan drop off another car. All Tupac's Madigan drop something off. Tupac
thought he owned those cars, >> right? >> He would tell everybody that he owns those cars. After his death, it they
figured out that all those cars that Death Row Records were saying that they're giving him, they were just
leased vehicles. >> Mhm. >> And that Death Row Records owed him a bunch of money. But three days before he
died, his lawyer sent stuff to Death Row Records lawyer stating basically like this is done.
>> Um, and that's why when we were talked about the little meeting that Suge and
Tupac had, it could have been Tupac and and Suge Knight talking about this like,
hey, this is how it's going to go down. >> Now, I don't think Suge is a dumb guy.
Uh, I don't think he's a bright guy either, but he's smart enough to know how to threaten people. He did it with
Dr. Dre when he wanted to leave, and I think if Tupac wanted to leave, maybe he would let him leave, but he's going to
get a percentage of that afterwards. >> Mhm. Well, the thing here with Knight, um, you know, for those of you not
familiar, this is a guy that's no, he's no stranger to being in trouble with the
law, and he's no stranger to probably acts of violence himself, right? >> Um, in 2015, Knight was involved in a
hit-and-run incident that left one man dead and another hospitalized. Uh, now, he did turn himself into the sheriff's
department for that, uh, the following morning. um and at that time was arrested on
suspicion of murder. >> You're right. But if you're going to have a hit on a guy, don't do it when
he's in the car with you. Don't do it while you're driving. >> It doesn't that doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. >> Well, the the incident that I was talking about with the uh the hitand-run
incident, it looks like he is still facing those his court date uh due to some health complications or health
problems he's been having. The the court date keeps getting pushed back. Well, he
pa he passed out when they set bail. >> Uh he passed out in the courtroom. >> Yeah. And at times he's claimed to have
been suffering from blindness um and some other ailments as well. But it sounds like that case the the judge has
said we're taking this thing to court in January of 2018 and there's health concerns, no health concerns. That's
going to be the start of the trial for those charges. Now, another thing here that gets brought up, and you're exactly
right, Captain, he there's no way that in my opinion that he would put himself in the vehicle
that's going to get sprayed with bullets. I mean, the vehicle 14 shots is what's most commonly reported. The other
thing is that that a lot of reports state that you know what that incident with Orlando Anderson in the lobby was
an incident that Suge Knight created in advance because it would give him some kind of out. It would give police some
kind of suspicion that Orlando Anderson and maybe his people were involved and this would pull the guilt or not the
guilt but this would pull a lot of the suspicion off of Suge Knight. The problem with that theory is well Shook
Knight joined in the fight. The dude was on probation and this was a violation of
his probation. He ended up having to go back and spend some time in prison because of the the the situation that
was caught on the surveillance camera that night. >> Right. So, okay. Right. So, then the
other things that are against him is that Tupac was probably leaving. So, if he's leaving then again, he'd still
probably get some percentage. He's still going to make money off of his old albums. If Tupac became bigger, look,
Tupac was probably one of the biggest icons in the world at the time. If he became even bigger than that, Death Row
Records is still going to make a bunch of money off of him >> from his from his past records. So, and
maybe unreleased stuff and things like that. So, uh you know, and also Sug Knight
doesn't ever come forward and says who he thinks did it. He always, it's like he changes his story all the time. Oh,
well, yeah, Tupac's alive. No, Tupac's dead. Tupac's alive. Oh, no. I saw him in Cuba. It's almost like he's just
messing with people. Um, the the the thing he said on record, and when I say on record, I mean in a videotaped
interview that aired a lot of different places. But one thing he said on record that really kind of upset me was that,
you know, the thought is that the FBI stating that or the the police stating that they believe that some of Tupac's
associates know who killed him, >> right? >> And so the question was, if you knew,
Suge, if you knew who killed Pac, would you report that? Would you turn the people in, please? And his answer is,
no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say a thing because it's not my job to do that. It's I don't get paid to solve crimes. Um,
>> right. But then, right, you run a record label and that was your artist. It's
your job to protect the artist, but you weren't really a a businessman or a record label. You're just a thug. That's
what he was. >> Right. >> Right. >> So, and this was your friend. This was your this was your friend.
>> And if he wasn't, he should have been your friend. Right. >> And And the thing is, you can't It is
his job. It's his job on some level. And you could argue it a hundred different ways and you'd be right.
>> Right. And I like I said, I understand that I come from a different uh background and upbringing, but this
whole idea the this uh snitches get stitches whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And and and what also
a couple things. One I think that goes with the idea that that Tupac is actually dead and what goes with the the
thing that uh Chug Knight was not involved was the amount of gang riots and murders after Tupac's death. The
next couple weeks they had a big issue with this. The next suspect on the list is Orlando Anderson himself. You know,
following the boxing match between >> Well, the next theory, >> the next theory, thank you. following
the boxing match. He was the guy that was attacked uh when the fight broke out in the in the lobby. Um you know, and
some stating that this was a fight between rival gangs, the Bloods and the Crips. Um stating that, you know,
Orlando Anderson wanted some form of revenge, you know, that that he got into a scuffle and he got his butt whooped
and, you know, stating what are you going to do now? Well, you're going to go you're going to go get your friends.
>> He got jumped by a bunch of people. you're going to go get your friends and you're going to go out and you're going
to correct this situation, >> right? >> Um I'm not going to lie, I like this theory. Um because uh unfortunately a
lot of times when these things go down in the way that they did, usually it's a result of some form of retaliation.
Somebody felt that they were done wrong. Somebody felt that they were embarrassed
or beat up or robbed or whatever and they [clears throat] go back out and they take some kind of
>> vigilante justice. Well, and there's some weight to this because there was an
I I at least believe one eyewitness that stated that the shooter was Orlando the
night of the shooting. >> Mhm. Well, and the there was some lawsuits involved as well, right? So, we
have Anderson who sues Death Row Records because he's attacked in Las Vegas >> and and what happens in response to that
lawsuit? Well, there's a wrongful death lawsuit against Anderson for the death of Tupac Shakur, correct?
>> Yeah. Yeah. The mother uh Afeni Shakur filed one against Anderson four days later. Now, what what came of that
supposedly is that uh Death Row Records actually settled and that he Orlando would have netted 78,000.
Uh he also reported to some magazine Orlando did in 1997 saying, "Well, I was a fan of Tupac. I was a fan of his
music. >> But again, the night of the shooting, you have a eyewitness calling, I
believe, 911 or the police department saying, "Hey, I know who shot him. It was this guy." Uh, now, who did that
call come from? Could it have just been somebody that was in the scuffle and just had a thought that, well, it's must
have been this guy. >> Yeah. And but the thing here is we have half the equation when it comes to
Orlando, right? We have him in the area and we have a motive. Um, that's that's more than we have for some of the other
people or theories on our list. Now, uh, Orlando was eventually killed in an unrelated gang shooting in 1998. Uh, he
and associate were involved in a shootout with some gang members. Several people died in that situation. His
associate was later charged uh, for his involvement in the shootout. >> Yeah. And there's also some other
I can't I can't find it right now and I don't think you found it in your research, but something to do with
Orlando was already being charged or was already a suspect in another shooting earlier that year.
>> Yeah, he he was definitely questioned in the shootout regarding Tupac. Uh he was
questioned several times. Uh but whatever took place during that questioning period didn't lead to any
arrest. >> Well, and then now we go to uh Powderpuff Daddy. No. And look, I just
making a joke that you know Puffy had a couple good tunes, right? He had uh >> Yeah, but I here I
>> All about the Benjamins. >> Can I go on the record and I'm not doing this to back you up. I just want to
throw my own opinion. Him him talk the Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. That that is annoying on the songs. He had a couple
of his own songs that were decent. He should >> He's like the captain of Bad Boy.
>> He keeps interrupting. >> Yeah. >> Uh he he should have stuck to doing his own stuff and when he was producing just
just produce, man, just produce. >> Yeah. >> Uh the thing is, uh he's a bad dancer,
but he's one hell of a dresser. I'll give him that. >> Uhhuh. Yeah. >> So anyway, of course, we have the the
rap war, right, theory. Uh Sean Colmes, Biggie. Um >> how how do you want to go about this?
Because people, you could easily lump these two together or you could separate them.
>> And when you say lump these two together, [clears throat] you're talking about the Orlando theory and the Shawn
Puffy Colmes theory. >> Well, well, kind Well, I was going to get to that, but what I meant was when
you talk about Biggie or talk about Shawn Colmes, do you want to lump them together as one suspect or talk about
them separately? >> Uh, just lump them together, I guess. Okay. Because >> I don't think, look, I I think a lot of
these, you know, it takes a special type of person to want to create content, to
want to rap, to want to create music, to for, you know, to write a book or whatever, right?
>> Mhm. >> And I think some of these guys, not saying that, you know, you know, Puffy
didn't want to create cuz he he produced some stuff, but people like Suge Knight,
they weren't creating. They were just, you know, one of the things in interviews that bring up all the time
with Tupac is, well, you're getting pimped. That's what they say to them. You're being pimped by the record
industry, you know, or these record label guys. So I don't think I mean yeah you might
grow up and there's might be some violent tendencies in how you grow up but I think both these individuals even
though they had you know Biggie and Tupac even though they had some of violent things I think a lot of that was
more because of the people around them and >> well and I think with Biggie a lot of it
was a bit of show um yeah you know I think that he was a hardcore rapper I don't know that he was a hardcore dude
Um, I didn't I never really got that sense from him. U, but the thing here is, Captain, you know, when we get into
this, when when when it first comes out, it's it it's brought up that that Notorious B.I. basically put out a hit
on Tupac, >> right? Um the the thing that we're going to get to here when you dive down into
it, it's actually it's more mentioned that it came from Shawn Colmes and that that Biggie actually had nothing to do
with this incident. Now, what we're talking about here is former LAPD cop Greg Kading. Uh he says he was involved
in a special task force investigating uh these different cases. >> Yeah. He started with the Big E murder
though, >> which led him to to the Tupac investigation on his own. >> And he claimed in a 2016 documentary
that Shawn Cololmes had paid gang members uh [ __ ] gang members Dwayne Keith Davis uh 100 I'm sorry, $1 million
to carry out the murder. >> Yeah. Well, and it's kind of weird because it's blurry. the the the rumor
was that that he it wasn't that he just gave him a hundred or gave him $1 million. It was just if this happens, I
will pay you. >> Right. And that was my going to be my question to you because when I dove into
this thing, it was confusing to me. Was this an outright hit or was it a bounty?
Because there's they're two completely different things. A hit, you pay someone. Here's here's your this is our
agreement. Go kill the person. A bounty is more like Job of the Hut. That's like, you know what? If somebody brings
me this guy, there's a reward. So, it sounds to me more like a bounty. Uh th this guy, his his name that he goes by
is uh Kei D. Uh so, we'll call him Kei D, but he lived he lived or was from the Los Angeles area.
>> Hold on. He goes by Kefi D, so we're going to call him Kefi D. Well, it's easier than saying Dwayne Keith Davis
every time. >> So, this guy, he lives around, from my understanding, lived around the Los
Angeles area. Yeah. >> Um, well, if if he if you were going to put a bounty out on somebody and he's
from the the [ __ ] he's a [ __ ] member, >> uh, and you wanted Tupac dead, well,
Tupac would have been in that area. This seems like a likely thing here. Um, but
the way that this story goes is a little different. It's not taking place in Los
Angeles. It's taking place in Las Vegas, right? Why? Because >> happen stance though.
>> Kephy D happens to be in Las Vegas. He claims that he and a bunch of friends, a
bunch of associates were going to be in Vegas for the fight that weekend, >> right?
>> The situation is this. Who is Kei D? Well, he is the uncle of Orlando Anderson.
>> Mhm. Well, Orlando Anderson is attacked by Tupac that evening, >> right? >> And so after that attack goes down,
Orlando Kefi D and all these guys are sitting around talking about this, you know, well, how are we going to correct
this situation because we just we just look like we got punked now. We going to we're going to correct this situation
here. Oh, wait a second. Isn't there that uh isn't there that bounty out there? Isn't there this situation out
there that somebody could make a whole lot of money, >> right? and we might be going after this
guy anyway for our own reasons tonight. So why don't we just >> Makes a bunch of sense.
>> Yeah. Why don't we just do both at once? >> Mhm. >> So the way that I understand this
situation now, these are Kefi D's words. This is his >> You can listen to his There's an actual
audio confession. >> Yeah. And he's confessing that him along with what it's it's seven guys. It's
eight guys total in the beginning, >> right? So they they have their crew of people. Now the one of the interesting
things was people said, "Well, or Orlando had no ticket to the fight. So why was
he at the fight?" A lot of people call him a pawn, you know, like, "Well, we'll set him up for the conspiracy theory."
Well, the reason why he was at the fight is cuz some of his crew was at the fight. They had tickets, but he didn't
have a ticket. So, hey, you guys go to the fight. I'm just going to stay out here in the lobby. when he gets caught
in the lobby with um Death Row Records, that's when the fight breaks out. So then while they're there and uh KD's um
um buddy or whatever says, "Hey, you can take care of that hit now." Like killed
two birds with one stone, right? >> Right. >> Well, we don't have any guns. The guy
goes, "Here's my gun." Gives him the gun. They pull up on Pac. You want me to keep going?
>> Well, yeah. The guy's name that he goes by, the guy that supplied the gun, he
goes by the name Zip, >> right? So, Zip gives him the gun. Uh, what were they renting that weekend?
>> H, one of the guys, his mother had rented the late model white Cadillac. So, they had access to a vehicle
matching the description. They have access to a firearm. >> So, what they do is they pull up,
they're in the right hand lane. Uh, no. Actually, so what happens is what KiD says. He says that they go to the 662
club >> and they decide, okay, well, we're going to drink a little liquor. We're going to
smoke a little weed. We're going to go to 662 club. And that's where Tupac's supposed to be.
>> It sounds to me like they were trying to ambush Tupac and Sugge Knight in the
parking lot of the 662 club, right? >> So, they pull up and they have two vehicles. There's four guys in each
vehicle. They sit there for about 20 minutes or so and during the course of this time when Tupac and Suge Knight are
not showing up, some of the guys start to get cold feet and they start to worry about what you know, the situation just
got real. You know, you can sit behind closed doors and say you're going to take down these people, but once you're
in the car and you get to the location, >> once you're at the parking lot, >> oh man, I would have ran out of there
faster than >> straight poop yourself, [laughter] you know. >> But I tell you what,
>> oh, excuse me. >> So, some of the guys start to get cold feet. KVD is in one vehicle. He's not in
the Cadillac at this point. And he tells the other guys, "You know what? Go off.
Do whatever you want. I'm going to hop in this other car." He hops in the Cadillac. So now in the Cadillac, we
have the driver. He goes by the name T. Brown. Uh we have Kefi D riding shotgun.
Behind the driver, we have DeAndre. He goes by He goes by Dre. And then behind Kefi D in the in the back passenger
right hand side >> is Orlando. >> is Orlando. And so they decide that they're going to
go I guess they're going to go look for Pac and look for SH. >> Well, I think the idea was more like,
"Well, let's go get some more booze. Maybe we'll get some more weed possibly >> and then work our way back to
>> and then we'll work our way back." And so as they're going up and down this strip, they're like, "Well, maybe we'll
run into them there." Well, as they pull up to this intersection, there's these girls screaming, "Pack, pac." Right now,
there's four girls in a grease green Sebring and they're um they're interviewed often.
>> So, they're the ones that drew the attention to to the >> location of Pac, >> right? So, now they're like, "Well,
there he is." So, Kei D turns around and hands the gun to Dre because Dre would be in the back passenger side and Kei D
is like, "Well, I'm not going to shoot him." >> Yeah. Because Kephi D was was the one
claiming he would shoot at the vehicle that he would shoot Suge and he would shoot Tupac. But their original, you
know, when they see the vehicle, their first thought is, well, get up on the left hand side so Kefi D in the
passenger seat can reach out the window and and spray the car, >> but they couldn't because if you look at
the positioning of the cars in the intersection, they couldn't get to the left side of their car. So, they're
forced to pull up on the right hand side. Now, Kefi D sitting in the front seat, he does not want to reach over the
driver and and blast in front of the face of his driver. So, as the captain says, he tries to hand the gun to Dre,
who's sitting directly behind the driver. >> Dre says, "You know what? I don't want
anything to do with this. Get that thing away from me." It's [clears throat] then
that we have Orlando, who was attacked earlier that evening. He decides to take the gun. He grabs the gun from Kei D. He
reaches over Dre and he puts his hand just outside of the window and he shoots the car as many times as he can.
>> Right. And then they drive off. This is what Kefi D says. So then they drive off. They turn right on the intersection
and then all of a sudden they realize that a car is following him. Now what Kefi D says is, "Well, we thought it was
the girl and the the girls chasing after us, >> but he claims that there was some
gunshots." So then they fire back and as we know uh based off of the u statements
that u >> from Frank Alexander the bodyguard >> the bodyguard and the other outlaws they
claimed that they chased after this white Cadillac. >> Mhm. >> So again he now this is not heavily
reported that there was other shots after the the first shootings with Tupac. So, the fact that Kefi D actually
states this to me has more validity with his story. >> Right. Right. And uh and it also
explains why the uh the members from Death Row decide to stop pursuing the vehicle.
>> Yeah. And then what Kefi D claims is that see now he grew up with Suge Knight. And what he claims is that when
Orlando was shooting at the car that Suge Knight made eye contact with Kei D. And he knew uh that Kefi D and his crew
were responsible for the death of Tupac. >> Yeah. And he also states that he thought
that Suge Knight would die that night because he thought he was hit in the head with a bullet.
>> Right. So then after they get away from uh the other vehicle, the bodyguards,
then what happens? Well, the the guys they park their white Cadillac and they actually park it it's strange because
they park it somewhere that's very close to where Suge Knight's car ends up at the at the end of the night. Uh they
park their vehicle and they put the gun, the way I understand it, they put the gun on top of the tire uh to kind of
hide it for the evening. They go off and party for the night and then the following day they go back to the
vehicle. They check the vehicle, make sure that there's no loose shell casings inside the vehicle.
>> Well, they're very lucky that the cops didn't find that vehicle. >> Mhm. >> Because all they would have to do I I
think uh even with it being on the wheel well, I I don't think they would need a
search warrant for that. >> Well, they of course they wouldn't need a a search warrant for that. I think
part of that is why they left the gun outside of the vehicle because if there was nothing inside proving that that gun
was inside the vehicle, then they could claim that somebody else just put that gun there. The problem is then they
would have to explain why they have rented a vehicle that matches the description of the car that was
supposedly shot at Tupac. uh and why that that rental car could be traced back to one of those those men in the
vehicle. >> All right. So, let's try to put a bow on this theory. Right. >> Mhm.
>> Now, this theory, I think, holds a lot of weight to me. And a lot of people would say, well, this guy is, you know,
KVD was just a criminal anyways, and he gave this confession, I believe, when he
was in jail. But where is the proof? Well, here's here's a couple things. out of the four people in the car that we we
have proof that three of them were in Vegas. Now, one of them claims they weren't in Vegas, but I think two of
those guys then claimed that guy was actually in Vegas with them. >> Yeah. My understanding is that it's the
driver of the vehicle says that he was not in Vegas that weekend. And as you just mentioned, the only other two guys
that are still alive that were in that vehicle that night say he was the driver of the Cadillac.
>> Well, right. And we also have the surveillance footage, I don't know if it's FBI surveillance footage or not,
but to me, you can see a white Cadillac on the footage >> of the parking lot at 662.
>> Yeah. Whether or not you can see KeiD, I swear at some point I saw footage that I
could see him on it, but I I can't I can't find it to to show you. And I think that there's probably no question
that that we favor this theory better than the others that we presented. That's part of the reason why we saved
it for last. That's part of the reason why you hear us jumping out of our chairs to talk about it, right?
>> The thing here for me is because it all kind of lines up. Uh there there are some questions that I have and I'll get
to those in a minute. But the thing here is, >> okay, we have people that put themselves
in the area. >> Uh they have the means. They say that they had access to a gun. They were
driving a vehicle that matches the description given by everybody. There's no question about the description of the
vehicle. >> And we also have a motive. We have an obvious motive. And not only do we have
an obvious motive, but to me, I see all kinds of motives when you claim that these guys are the ones that carried out
the murder. And it looks to me as though they in their intention was to shoot Suge and Tupac was to kill both of them
is what it appears to me because as he states that they would have preferred to have pulled up on the left side of the
vehicle and fired into the vehicle in that manner. Now we could have seen a different result with that. We could
have seen a Suge Knight get killed and a Tupac survive the attack had it gone down that way. But again, I their
motives uh retaliation. >> Well, also T and also Tupac's mom then files a wrongful death against this guy
as well. >> We have the retaliation thought for the motivation. We also have just the gang
aspect uh for the motivation. And then the the icing on the cake for their motivation would be that they could
stand to make a whole lot of money if in fact that this bounty that was supposedly put out by Shawn Colmes if it
was in fact a real thing. >> Mhm. >> The problem the only problem I see with the confession itself is the involvement
of Shawn Colmes. I I it to me I don't I don't I don't I don't make the connection. Uh, I understand that it's
probably, you know, it was a general suspicion by people at the time. Um, I think it makes for a better story for
KD. >> It also could have just been a rumor that Kiff heard. >> It might not actually been something
that came from Tupac's or not Tupac from Puffy's mouth. Right. >> Right. Right. And I think if there were
a large amount of money and I know Puffy, somebody that has the ability to deal in large amounts of money, but if
seeing a movement of that amount of money exchange hands, >> FBI or CIA would >> would have set off some big red flags
here. So where where I stand in my opinion is that this this theory makes the most sense. Well, and and on top of
that, LAPD when they were doing the investigation, a lot of detectives that have done work on this investigation all
think that the murders came from somebody from the Southside uh Crips. >> Mhm. >> And these guys were members.
>> And And just to be clear, you didn't misspeak there because you're saying LAPD and this took place in Las Vegas.
The thing here is we're seeing information coming out of former LAPD detectives and officers that are saying
we started investigating the biggie portion of this of this story, >> right? And
>> because this is what happened in our area. We started to see we started to look to see if there were ties between
the two murders and it led us to our own personal investigations into Tupac's murder and this is the theories and and
the things that we're seeing come to light now. Well, and on top of that, after the murders, like I said, there
was gang violence and shootings for weeks and weeks afterwards as a retaliation. Now, why would there be a
retaliation if your gang was not involved, >> right? >> It doesn't make any sense.
>> Well, and the thing here is I want to go on record stating this very clearly. I
think that this was a a gang uh a gang related murder. The thing here is I want to be very clear. I'm not stating that
it was Tupac that was in some kind of rivalry gang. I I believe this was carried out by a gang, probably with
people with gang ties. These guys, this confession from Kefi D, that all falls into that theory,
>> right? and and what we talked a lot about when we were researching this case. Um I'm just fascinated by Tupac in
general and I feel like he has I feel like the weight that he was carrying in his words doesn't get enough respect
from people that are outside of the hip-hop community. So if you if you're a hip-hop fan or if you're a rap fan, then
yes, this then Tupac was this icon. >> We ain't telling you something you don't already know,
>> right? But if you're not in this world and that that's not something you're interested in, then you're like, why the
heck are they covering this guy? Look, I'm a huge Beatles fan. As much as John Lennon was an icon to this world, so was
Tupac Shakur. And I think when you look into the FBI or the CIA or the Illuminati or he's still alive, all
these odd theories, it's because at the end of the day, somebody that was so magical of an individual,
you know, >> influential. >> Yeah. Well, don't say influencer because now if you have a a bunch of people
following you on Instagram, they call you influencer. I'm going to say this and maybe I'll get some heat from it and
I don't give I don't give a [ __ ] Okay. this guy was possibly some form of a prophet, right? I think that same
thought about John Lennon. I think that same thought about Muhammad Ali. I think
that same thought about Malcolm X. I think that same thought about Martin Luther King. This guy was saying things
that were relevant and he didn't have to. He was a multi-millionaire and he wasn't getting paid what he should have,
right? But his label's holding this money. He was not getting paid what he should
have. But he he had all this money. He had all this power. He didn't have to say this stuff. He could have just kept
to himself, you know, stayed in his own lane, eyes on the prize, been greedy, be selfish. I think because of his
upbringing, his intelligence, the way he saw the world, he would even say in interviews, "My brain sees things
different than most." And I believe and if you look at somebody that I think is a a musical genius, Quincy Jones, Quincy
Jones's daughter was was dating him and he said when you met Tupac, this guy was
on a different level as if he was touched by the hands of God or something. That's his state. That's what
he is saying. So I think all these other theories that he's still alive or maybe
the CIA killed him or the government. I think because at the end of the day, this guy was so special and so magical
that you don't want to believe some, you know, and let's say what Orlando was, he
was a thug, but he was also a young naive thug. And for whatever reason, uh, you don't want to believe that this guy
could take out somebody so powerful and so magical. I won't use the word prophet. I think all those guys were
great men. I think the loss here is that in my opinion, Tupac had the potential to grow into becoming a great man,
right? >> I think that he was incredibly talented, incredibly smart. I think I see a very
impulsive young man uh making some poor decisions. >> Yeah. Um >> obviously, yeah. What what I'm getting
at though is I think that if he could have stayed out of trouble, which would have been very likely if he could have
removed himself from some of those bad elements that had worked their way into his life,
>> that I think he could have grown into being he was already something special,
but he could have grown into being something very positive uh for himself and for everybody, for all of us.
Because I would have loved to have seen a Tupac in his 30s. I would have loved to seen a Tupac in his 40s,
>> right? Especially I mean not even just as a rapper, but as a [clears throat] as
an actor, he was amazing actor. >> Yes, he was. And the thing here is I'm I just think that we didn't get to
experience all the things that I know he was capable of. >> Yeah. And when I say prophet, I don't
mean like hands of God. What I mean, it's somebody I I believe that there's people that are put on this earth,
right? We're all put on this earth somehow, right? but that some of these individuals have something inside them
and they can't stop it. And I don't think he could stop himself from trying to help others or trying to present the
truth or ways to others. That's what I mean by all that. >> Well, we might get some more insight
into these stories because I I noticed A&E is doing a big uh Notorious B.I. and Tupac uh type documentary. We also have
Tupac's movie coming out sometime this month. >> I'm not excited about it. >> I'm not excited about the movie. I'm
excited about the A&E uh documentaries that are coming out. And what was the what was the title of the thing that we
we found the the confession from in case anybody wants to go look it up for themselves?
>> Yeah, if anybody's interested in looking more into these and also the Big East
side, which I I would like to dive more into the Big East side as well. um big fan of his.
Uh it's called Murder Rap and you can check out that book anywhere really. Amazon maybe.
>> Yeah, it's definitely on Amazon. I was just checking it out myself. Uh and if
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Tupac Shakur was one of the biggest rap stars of the nineties. He sold millions of records and landed roles in hit movies. Tupac was always the rebel and this would cause him legal troubles. After serving time in prison Tupac signed a record deal with the infamous Death Row Records. On September 7, 1996 Tupac attended a boxing match at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. After leaving the match Tupac and his entourage attacked a man in the lobby. After the brawl, Tupac went with Death Row Records owner Suge Knight to go to a night club. On the way to the club their car was shot up while sitting at a stoplight. Tupac was hit with four bullets. He died six days later. To this day no one has been charged with his murder.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses Tupac Shakur's shooting, the events leading up to it, and various conspiracy theories surrounding his death.

Key points

Tupac's Confrontation. Tupac and his entourage confront Orlando Anderson after a boxing match, leading to violence.
The Night of the Shooting. Tupac is shot multiple times in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas.
Suge Knight's Injury. Suge Knight claims he was shot in the head, but evidence suggests otherwise.
Tupac's Last Words. In a moment of desperation, Tupac's final words to the officer were a defiant 'F you.'
The Sad Reality. The discussion turns to the tragedy of Tupac's silence on his shooter, leaving many questions unanswered.
Government Surveillance of Tupac. Discussion reveals Tupac was likely monitored by agencies like the FBI.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This is not going to end too well for Orlando.

Foreshadowing the confrontation between Tupac's entourage and Orlando Anderson.

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