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[Music] crime this is true crime garage and this is the case of Christy [Music] Mullin the summer of 19
1975 August 23rd 14-year-old Christy Mullin accompanies her friend Carol Reeves to
the wulco department store Carol had received a phone call from a disc jockey inviting her to a
cheerleading contest in the parking lot of the department store the girls had cut through the
woods arriving in the parking lot promptly at 1:45 p.m. the disc jockey that they're
looking for is nowhere to be found and they do not see a contest in sight Christy Mullins sits on the guard
rail Carol Reeves she goes into the department store to check to see what time it is
just a few minutes later Carol Reeves returns to the parking lot Christy Mullin is
[Music] gone this week we have a very strange case strange indeed the case the murder
case of Christy Mullins this takes place August 23 1975 in North Columbus Ohio 14-year-old Christy Mullins is swimming
at a pool at an apartment complex on Broad Meadows Boulevard when her 14-year-old friend Carol Reeves asked
her to go to the shopping center around 1:30 p.m. Christy's friend Carol had received
a call from somebody claiming that he was a radio disc jockey and he was having a contest it was like a
cheerleading contest and the prize was going to be a pass to the upcoming Ohio State Fair christe and her friend Carol
walked to the wco department store at the Graceland Shopping Center that was just blocks from her home the disc
jockey had said that the contest would take place in the parking lot at 1:45 p.m. the girls they walked through the
woods there was a cut through you could take a couple different paths from the apartment complex to the uh shopping
Center when they arrived they were unable to find the disc jockey and they couldn't see any contest taking place
Carol who was excited about the contest decided that she would go into the wco store to double check the time to make
sure that they had arrived on time when she comes back out she's only in the store for a few minutes she comes back
out and her friend Christy is gone when she last Saw Christy Mullins Christy was
sitting on the guard rail they had a a long stretch of guard rail there near the department store she had sat there
and she was she was waiting for her friend combing her hair and just a few minutes go by and Carol comes back and
christe's gone Carol waited about 20 minutes for christe to return uh and when she did
not return she went to the home of another friend of of hers shortly after Christy disappeared around 2:20 in the
afternoon a man named Henry n Jr he's 23 years of age of Kenowa Avenue now Kena Avenue is about three blocks from the
Graceland Shopping Center he was walking in the woods with his wife Pamela and their 5-year-old daughter when he heard
screams and he ran to investigate where these screams were coming from what was going on when no arrived in the area of
the screams he saw a white man about 18 or 19 years old wearing cut off shorts no shirt with long black hair and he's
swinging a 2x4 bored and he's beating something into the ground no looked and saw that
it was a woman or a girl that the man was beating with the large board he saw the man strike the girl in
the head about three or four times with vicious deadly blows the killer then saw
n and took off running he went running South in the woods to flee the area n ran up to the girl who was laying on the
ground and and he becomes emotional when the girl is laying there lifeless and there is the board that she was being
struck with is laying across her body he picks up the board and he he like launches it into the woods he throws it
into the woods and then he takes off his shirt I mean mind you she's badly beaten
in the head in the face and he takes off his shirt and he covers her up he covers
up her head n then went to the department store to call for help uh he was very upset he was pretty mad
and he and several store employees started searching the area behind the store looking for the as
salent when police arrived at the shopping center Henry n LED them to christe's body police said that later that evening
a woman came into the store and told police that she had seen a man earlier that matched the description of the man
police were looking for the as salent had been riding a bicycle and had rode past her home which was just south of
the shopping center on Monday August 25th The Columbus Dispatch which which is a local
the major local newspaper featured the composite drawing of the suspect the person believed to be christe's killer
this prompted hundreds of calls to police most of them were calls coming from the north side of Columbus and a
lot of them near the Graceland Shopping Center Detective Tom Jones said that more than a dozen calls seem especially
promising Jones said investigators have canvased hundreds of homes in the area Apartments buildings uh and businesses
in search of more eyewitnesses detective Jones was very confident that they would find other
Witnesses who had seen the a killer before after the murder took place Jones also stated that in 15 years as a hom
iide detective in Columbus that this was one of the most brutal beatings that he
had ever seen and although police at the time were pursuing several other theories the strongest theory that they
were going with was that the girl was forced into the woods by a man who wanted to molest her and then killed her
when she struggled that was the same that her F that Christy mullen's father same statement he would give to the
newspaper that same day that that he believed that she wouldn't have gone into the woods with somebody willingly
well her hands were tied as well right yes there there is one source that says that her hands were bound yeah with
a telephone wire now the detectives they were going on that theory but they were also
checking uh reports of molestations in the area and they were doing what they were called referring to as backtracking
saying that many times when someone is molested or assaulted sexually assaulted that they don't actually report it but
when they read in the paper that a 14-year-old girl is is murdered then they will come forward and say such and
such assaulted me or so and so uh you know we were involved in an altercation these reports would come out later with
hopes of helping solve a much more brutal crime the next day Tuesday uh officer Thomas stad he's working foot
patrol and traffic Patrol down in the downtown area the corner of Street and he notices
a face in the crowd there's a group of about 10 people walking and he notices a man in his 20s and he approaches the man
and what what stood out to him was the hair of the gentleman the way that the hair kind of stood out from the face and
the the length of it was almost exactly that of the composite drawing that he had seen in the dispatch the day before
kind of looks like a mallet right yeah you definitely yeah a mullet or like a uh like a
slickback kind of alucino kind of thing after you haven't combed it backward in a while you know uh somebody on Twitter
said he looked like a redneck version of Jerry sandfeld okay um anyway officer Stout
approaches the man and he asks the man for some identification the man provided the officer with his draft card
registration number so for those of you that don't know that's something I guess
that people used to carry around with them back in 1975 officer stoud he arrests the man on
probable cause because he looks exactly like the composite drawing and he says that the man went without incident there
was no resistance police identify the arrested man as 25-year-old Jack Carmen police take Jack down to the police
department they're going to call in Henry n Jr who had seen the attack take place and he brings his wife with him
and they conduct an identification lineup now him and his wife would successfully pick Jack Carman out of the
police lineup after the positive ID is made police sit down with Jack and they put him through some questioning for
about 6 hours during the course of that questioning Jack Carmen admits to the rape and killing of 14-year-old Christy
Mullen detective Thomas straussberg would talk with media after the questioning and after the confession and
he would tell the newspaper that Jack Carman is in very very poor mental condition he also does not have the
ability to read or write Jack was living at The Volunteers of America dormatory at 379 West Broad Street Jack also does
not drive a car detective strawberg would go on to say that Jack Carmen while he did confess to the rape and
killing of Christy Mullen that Jack was uncertain why he would have been at the Graceland Shopping Center
he said that he was unsure how he happened to get there but he may have gone there to buy a shirt Andor some
pants uh and then he would go on to say that he was also uncertain what he did after the murder itself other than the
fact that he knew that he stayed in the Columbus area he said that most likely after he killed her he probably got on a
bus and headed back to the downtown Columbus area police trying to corroborate Jack carman's confession
they announced that they were looking and trying to find a bus driver a Kota bus driver who might have seen Jack
Carmen or had noticed a shirtless man wearing cut off jeans that could have had blood spatter blood specks on their
on their cut off jeans now they also would go on to say that there's a possibility because she was beat to
death with a board that those that the blood spots would be so small that could have gone notied by a local bus driver
police did recover more than one pair of shorts from a rag container at The Volunteers of America dormatory where
Jack Carmen was staying they couldn't confirm if they were Jack shorts or not but they did have some stains on them
and they had sent them off to a chemist to be tested uh DNA tested well not DNA at the time but they wanted to test to
see if they were blood human blood on the shorts I want to Circle back to the phone call real quick Captain remember
the phone call that the girl received from the disc jockey mhm asking about the could you come down to the
cheerleading contest we're giving away passes to the Ohio State Fair it's kind of a weird contest for a radio station
to have yeah but they were using the police were using that as their lead that was their lead until the
description of the man went out and somebody had found a guy that looked exactly like the description uhhuh well
after they arrest Jack Carmen they're going to well let's talk about the phone call real quick okay so a little more
detail about the phone call the phone call was actually answered by Christy mullen's friend's mother now that was
Carol Reeves is Christy's friend so the phone call was answered by Carol Reeves mother and she said that the caller did
ask for Carol by name now Carol would go on to say that the man spoke with an Appalachian accent and she did not
recognize the man's voice nor did she have any idea who the caller was other than she believed he was who he said he
was a disc jockey with the local radio station yeah wasn't there some speculation to that there was actually
calls earlier that week yeah there was and that that's why I had to circle back to the phone call because after the
arrest of Jack Carmen police released a statement to the media that that phone call had simply that it was simply a
fluke that Jack Carmen this Maniac killer ended up in the same location where these two girls were because they
had went on this prank phone call what the police are now deeming as a as a prank phone call right and he just
happened to be in the area and he happened to grab Christy Mullins and pull her into the woods even though that
there was phone calls made earlier that week correct yes the authorities did this is a bunch of bunch of fluke phone
calls yeah there were several of these phone calls and they were all made in that same area these were all North Side
girls who had called into police and told them that they had received received similar phone calls that same
week which is very similar like we were saying earlier uh outside of the garage to the Amy mahalic
case after the announcement of Jack carman's arrest his former foster parents come out and they start talking
to the newspapers and they are saying you know he is his mental state he's he's at the level of a child and not
only that that they they don't believe that he could have done this now it's typical that family members don't
believe that somebody a loved one is responsible for a heinous crime like this I mean this is somebody that had
was being charged with beating a girl to death after raping her right he's mentally handicapped extremely ment
mentally handicapped he he doesn't drive he doesn't read he doesn't write and but
what the foster parents would go on to say is that that Jack would kind of do anything you told him to that he would
also you could lead him anywhere you know uh when he was younger if he did something and the Foster father said
Jack did you do this he would immediately confess whether it was something he did or not right and then
just minutes later the Foster father would say no Jack you didn't do it and then he he would just agree yes I did it
and then a minutes later no I didn't right um and not only that they said that that he never that he never heard
anybody they they actually believed that a small child could probably overpower Jack because he wouldn't understand the
situation he wouldn't understand that there was a struggle or a fight going on and furthermore the police would would
come back to media and say no that's impossible we know this guy did it because he led us to the crime scene he
led us to where the body was found now the foster parents would come out shortly afterwards and say that's
impossible we believe that the police must have walked Jack there and pointed to the spot and said this is where this
took place or is this the he disagreed yeah and he he would just agree the other thing that the foster
parents were curious about was Jack had admitted to raping Christy Mullen well there there's a lot of contradiction
here because an autopsy that was conducted they could not confirm that she was raped now she was found her
pants were unzipped and her top was pulled up M but other than that they couldn't find any evidence of a or
sexual assault but the top could have came up during the actual beating part correct correct or or there could have
been been an attempted rape that that was never successful that ended up in the demise of Christy Mullen the foster
parents would go on to say that yeah Jack confessed to raping Christie but would somebody please ask Jack what the
word rape means because we guarantee he doesn't even know what that word means right I mean how can you confess to
something that you don't even you don't even know the definition of it yeah so they're they're leading this guy and he
confesses to it and then they're going to take him to trial September 2nd 1975 a grand jury indicts Jack Carman for
rape kidnapping and three various accounts of Murder in the death of Christy Mullins and the very next day
on September 3rd Jack Carman he agrees to a plea bargain in which charges are reduced to one count of aggravated
murder in exchange for his guilty plea and he sentenced to life in prison so let's review this real quick Captain
because things are happening very fast here right mhm things are happening very fast to a guy that is that is mentally
handicap uh and that we have already talked about might go along with whatever the group is telling him to do
or go along with yeah hence the plea bargain yeah on on August 23rd Christy Mullins is killed on August
6 uh Jack carman's arrested that's just 3 days later on on September 2nd he's indicted for three counts of murder and
then on the third he pleas guilty to one count of murder so this takes place all
within the course of 11 days from Death to conviction it's around this same time
that workers at The Volunteers of America on West Broad Street where the mentally disabled Jack Carmen live they
start reporting that they had seen Jack that day and that he was at that location as late as 1:45 p.m. in the
afternoon now remember we said Jack didn't drive a car so he relied on kabus to take him everywhere that he went and
roughly the murder took place about 220 225 according to the eyewitness that had
seen the girl being beat in the head he said that around 220 he had seen Jack Carmen beating the girl in the woods
well that's that's a bit of a stretch so it's 16 minutes by car with no traffic from that location on the west side of
Columbus all the way up to the north side of Columbus 16 minutes so if they' saw him at45 that puts him there about
2011 but now she wasn't just she was taken from from the side of the department store brought into the woods
I mean maybe by car but anybody that's traveled by bus they know that that bus moves a lot slower than a car and you
got to stop and make all those different stops right mhm well what's interesting
is okay they they claim that they got there at 145 we don't know that for sure right we we're we're approximating
correct that they get there at 145 it never states that she went and checked and oh by the way it was 145 they were
on time I do think she was excited about the contest so I think they were on time
um but then she comes back 10 minutes later so she would have so you're trying to tell me that Christy Mullins would
just be wandering off for no reason it seems like there was that window of opportunity for somebody to lure lore I
can't speak today L but the captain I I like the captain always adds five minutes to timelines because this
forwards and backwards yeah this is this is 1975 people aren't walking around with with cell phones now they do have
wrist watches obviously but what you're saying here if we add 5 minutes I have a
uh wristatch on right now and it's not working so it's right twice a day exactly so if we're saying by the
captain's timeline that if they did arrive on time at 1:45 and if the friend Carol was in the department store for 10
minutes she would have came back out at 1:55 maybe 2:00 at the latest that means
jack Carmen would have had to have taken a car straight from the West Broad location all the way up to to the
Graceland Shopping Center well he wouldn't have taken a car he would have taken a bus but exactly but that was the
that's the only way is what I'm saying to get there in that amount of time and we know when you go to the home then you
got to go back and forth okay did he leave at40 or did he leave at 150 or is that this the last time they saw him and
that he was actually just there the whole time these workers as said came forward saying that there's no way that
he could have arrived in time to commit the murder now not not only that there's
people that start checking the the police didn't check this the detectives did not check this mhm they just
believed the confession now these people start checking and they start signing petitions to that he needs to be retried
that they need to do a new a more thorough investigation because according to the bus schedule and according to the
transit authority there's no way that he could have made it from the west side of
Columbus at 145 to be at that location at grin shopping center at 2:20 p.m. yeah in 1975 it' probably be a lot
easier to make the drive traffic was probably less than it is now um but also it to me it seems like the cops are more
worried about closing the case than they are uh finding the truth and I think that happens a lot in cases and we
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things that are going on in the world at this time period so this is the summer of 75 and we had covered at the
beginning of this season the Son of Sam well the Son of Sam murders started taking place Late July mid to late July
of the same summer so New York City has got a maniac running around killing people they haven't solved that crime
there's there's more victims the victims are adding up okay and then you have a 14-year-old girl in Columbus who is
murdered this is a well-populated area it's Clintonville Ohio North Columbus there's
a lot of people there today there was a lot of people back in 1975 this is a well populated area and all of a sudden
they got a maniac on the locd killing kids in the woods you know and so killed a kid yeah right and but this was front
on the front page of the major newspaper at the time the dispatch MH and this was
a crime that you're exactly right the cops were very concerned about solving this you saw the picture you saw the
composite drawing that they put in the newspaper the guy looks like a maniac he I mean he he he looks like somebody
you'd be afraid of him then you heard that he raped and beat to beat a girl to death with a board yeah 2x4 so um yeah
but here it goes back to my original thought though is we I understand that there's pressure to solve a case but the
pressure should never be to close a case or just solve a case or you know to finish things the pressure should always
be to find the truth and I think they just came across a guy that was mentally handicapped I think they interrogated
him they you know I think their tactics probably were questionable and they got a confession out of a guy that didn't
know what he was talking about now you have to sign a confession right uhhuh okay Jack Carmen Couldn't Write the the
police said he couldn't read or write so so let me get this right I'm going to have to write out your con if I'm the
officer I have to write and your jack car mhm I have to write out the confession
for you right right and and I put a little X at the bottom and say here Jack sign here and not only did I write the
confession for you but you can't even read it to know if that's what you told me correct right and most of the time
they'll they'll just hand you a piece of paper and they go just write down everything you know they leave the room
a tactic that I've heard that uh detectives use often is they won't even read it they'll just come back and say
uh I'm guessing there's some lies in here so just rewrite it so they had to write out the confession for him and
probably put a x by it so again he can't read what he what they wrote um now working in the banking industry I I
dealt with a lot of mentally handicapped and they would have a signature that they would sign mhm so that a lot of
them could sign some kind of signature um so I'm I'm assuming that uh Jack did that yeah I would guess
that he that he signed I mean he had some identification with him usually that requires a signature as well he's
25 years old I'm sure that he had some kind of signature or a scribble that that he used as a signature um oh
whether it's a scribble or not that's his signature have you seen my signature my signature is is a scribble yeah is a
scribble and I'm no doctor September 8th this is just 5 days after the guilty plea more than 70 people attend a
meeting at Sharon township hall to question the police investigation shortly after the meeting this is when
they estab establish the justice for Jack committee yeah and basically what this committee is doing what everybody
should have been done doing for the from the get-go is they're pushing the issue
for look if he did it fine but let's uh get to the truth let's review the other evidence
though too I mean we talked about about the timeline that that it was impossible
for him to make it there well it's highly unlikely very unlikely but the the the test of the shorts nothing comes
of that right they couldn't even confirm that they were his shorts at the time being in 19 uh75 they're probably
looking for blood and then just to see if the blood matches like her type of blood yeah or if if it was even blood at
all that was that had stained the shorts I wonder if uh it was Jorts you know jean shorts I it was jean shorts the cut
off yeah cut offs old shorts uh the other evidence here is they couldn't find a bus driver remember they had said
hold on if you're listening in your garage right now and you're drinking a nice Brew right yeah and you look down
and you're wearing Jorts just get up take your Jorts off throw them in the trash light them on fire just don't wear
Jorts wait no no I disagree if you are in the garage drinking a beer uhhuh and you look down and you're wearing jeans I
want you to stand up take them off get a pair of scissors and cut them into just
above the knee and then throw them in the trash or send me your picture of your Jorts on Instagram all right got
sidetracked there all right but on November 19th of the same year a court appointed attorney Richard Addison files
a motion to set aside Carmen's guilty plea and conviction on grounds that Carmen is mentally incompetent yeah they
they gave him a new lawyer technically mhm yeah so I find that interesting and I think probably at this point the
police are starting to backpedal like what are we doing or what is what we doing uh morally correct and you know
what I have no evidence of this but uh other than the fact that he did get a new attorney um I suspect the first
attorney might have just told him to plead guilty I mean that's that's the gist of it right yeah and the da and and
everybody is connected they all know each other a lot of people play golf together so who knows it could have just
been like look we have a bunch of a mountain of evidence saying he did it and then the attorney just said okay
cool but that it was after the plea that they come out with The Alibi mhm and I think if the defense uh attorney the
first one knew about The Alibi they probably would have said wait a second what's going on here well keep in mind
everything was happening very fast I mean he he was arrested on the 26th at the end of August and the the first
couple days of September he's pled guilty um so they're piecing this together here and for for this type of
murder conviction don't give a [ __ ] about fast though some should have been spent on this right that's what I'm
saying I don't give a [ __ ] about uh fast I give a [ __ ] about correct but you know
what I do give a [ __ ] about people coming together for the right reasons wearing s together and coming together
for the right reasons and you had you had those people those 70 people that attended the meeting in Sharon Township
uh and you have and you have the lantern okay that was the Ohio State newspaper right right the lantern there was a
couple of gentlemen there that so this is a College Newspaper correct College Newspaper a couple of reporters there
they start doing covering this story and they're the ones that start voicing to the public that hey there's something
going on here that this guy has been convicted wrongly convicted of this terrible crime and Clintonville is north
of Campus so it's not this really doesn't have anything to do with the campus area but it's a publication
regardless and then in late December of the same year Columbus monthly which is a magazine today I'm assuming it was a
magazine back then as well but they decide to cover the same story that the Lantern's covering they they bring in
the same uh invest ative journalist and have them release their story on a much larger scale so you said that's released
in December so that's what 3 months after the correct correct December 29th Columbus monthly released their J
January 1976 issue uh that covered the case and covered the story so then once he gets his new attorney now they're set
to go to actual trial with a jury well what takes place is January 30th of 76 Jack Carmen's conviction is set aside
and a competency hearing is ordered and what did they find during that competency hearing so it took a few
months to figure this out but at the in the end uh in miday of that same year a judge a judge ruled that Carmen's civil
rights were violated by the Columbus Police Department and and and that's based I think on the
interrogation yes and here's here's what I like uh I find this odd you know when
somebody when somebody when they confess to a crime yeah you know when you hear like this
this mentally handicap person was stuck in a room for 6 hours we were questioning him no 6 hours that's an
interrogation let's I mean questioning and interrogation those are two different words right yes they are
Captain Obvious but it's a way of skewing what you're actually doing right yeah but you
originally reported that they were questioning him for 6 hours I wanted to just chime in and go 6 hours is a long
time that's an interrogation those were the words of the Columbus Police Department as given to the local
newspaper at the time all right so his civil rights are um violated and what else so the prosecutors appeal that
ruling and then Jack Carman is ultimately granted a new trial on December 19th 1976 after a 6-day trial in
849 days behind bars Jack Carmen is acquitted in a retrial and he's set free you're skipping over a lot of stuff go
go ahead Captain all right so who do they call as their Prime witness I don't know they call Henry null ah and Henry h
n Jr and where do they find Henry null at is he in jail yeah he's in jail do you
know what he's in jail for um he burnt down his own home and so he burns down his own own home and he's put in jail an
accident I'm assuming oh yeah no it was it was arson and so they pull him out of
jail and they bring him to the courtroom and then the defense attorney basically
combats everything he says and the jury doesn't believe a damn word he says and they actually
believe Henry is responsible for the murder M and that was the Christy mullen's family had believed that from
from the beginning I mean right when back in September of 75 when the local towns people started getting together
and questioning the guilt of Jack Carmen her family flipped almost immediately and said and you know they they didn't
believe this Henry Newell story at all yeah but now what's weird about his story is you know he's walking in the
woods with his wife and his son right or daughter I can't remember it's their 5-year-old daughter okay so now you have
to go against what Henry is saying you got to go against what his wife is saying and obviously they're not going
to question the 5-year-old yeah let's think about what he said he said that him and his wife
and daughter are walking through the woods he hears some screams and he decides he's going to run to investigate
where those screams are coming from right run towards the danger yep he runs towards the danger he sees a tall white
man shirtless white man in Jorts with long black hair swinging a 2x4 which they actually said was probably only
about 2T long M um you know as a broken off or cut off uh board and Swinging this 2x4 and what he he says at first
beating he sees him beating something into the ground and he looks down and it's a it's a girl or a woman that he's
hitting in the head he sees the as salent hit this person in the head three or four times he then says that the
asent turns and looks at him and they looked each other in the eyes and after this Maniac had seen Henry n he drops
the board across the body of the girl and he takes off running well let's think about what Henry decid decides to
do then all right he says I'm emotional I I became overwhelmed with the emotion and I ran up to the girl now he must
have noticed that she was that she was dead or or or beyond help at that point right because he he he says in
frustration I picked up the board I threw it into the woods and I took off my shirt and I put it over her head no I
could see myself removing the board from her body I could see myself doing that uh I could also see myself pulling off a
piece of clothing once I if I knew she was passed away if I knew she was deceased I could see myself covering her
face out of respect you know just you know or not wanting to see it I guess so I it's I to me that's not super
far-fetched I think it's a clever story that he came up with at the time you know I think that it's a way to explain
away my fingerprints on the board and why my shirt is covered in her blood right and second of all I think the act
of covering her face with my shirt implies that he believed she was beyond help and that she was dead at the time
that he ran up to her body so let's think about this right if if she's dead when I find her then I could obviously I
couldn't have killed her and I'm a man in my young 20s right you're not you're not well well Henry null is um I'm I'm
Henry right now in the woods shirtless and so he was 23 I believe at the time and so his wife would have been about
the same approximately same age so my wife and young daughter are in this woods somewhere I just left them and ran
towards the danger and I chased away this Maniac this this bloodthirsty Maniac that just ran through the woods
right so and I determined that the girl is dead but he doesn't have his weapon anymore so okay keep going but what is
my first reaction I run to the department store and I call for help the W Co yeah I and I guess everybody would
would react differently so maybe I shouldn't go read too much into this but to me my first thought would be [ __ ]
this maniac's in this woods and my wife and my daughter are in this Woods too right I I don't know that I would flee
the woods and search for help I would want to help that I'd probably be yelling for help but I'd also be calling
for my wife and my daughter to make sure that I'm there to protect them well yeah
but part of me thinks that if I saw that I'd be sizing the guy up and then uh I mean I hate cardio but I think I think
part of me would have just um you know what they say a fight or flight I think I would have went towards the fight
instead of staying with the body but I guess I guess also if you're coming up on somebody and you don't know if
they're deceased or not that maybe that hesitation by the time you look up the guy's already long gone now at least one
eyewitness that was that was at the W Co store when Henry n arrived there to call
he says he ran there to call for help right right one eyewitness says that he thought or sorry it never explained if
it's a he or she but they had thought that Henry looked to have become upset and angered when he was informed that
the cops had been called and it was after this time that him and several of the wco employees went outside of the
department store to look for the killer to look for the maniac all right so Henry goes to wco
to call the police basically or get help he he's trying to get help from the wo that's hard to say wulco um
department store he's trying so maybe he's not trying to call the police he's just trying to get help in general but
so you but then you claim that somebody says he looks uh visibly upset once they say the cops
are on their way yes and then then it's after that uh that he goes outside and with some of the wco employees looking
for the killer now this is just one eyewitness his account I mean who knows he could have been shaken up by what he
had just seen and he wasn't you know it could have been whatever the reaction it's just interesting to me that that
little tidbit was in the newspaper at the time I do know know that n and his wife Pamela they were questioned for a
couple hours after the incident now a lot of that's probably just you know you can say question because it was only a
couple hours yeah and a lot of that's probably what did you see what were you and I witness of right you know going
over the description of the man um but here's one thing that you asked me earlier that was that was interesting I
kind of danced around it because I didn't want to go too much into it at the time but you had asked I had said
that no and his wife had ident positively identified Jack Carmen as the man that they had seen in the woods mhm
well here's some issues that I have with this right okay and you had asked were they did they did they do the lineup at
the same time were they did they ID him at the same time I don't know if that actually made it in after an edit but
okay but yeah that was my question was did they go in to do the identification of Jack Carmen together or did they just
do it separate because to me I I feel like uh legally you should do it separate or it doesn't hold up in court
legally you should do it separate but let's also review his story his story says that he ran ahead of his wife and
the killer ran off and I guess maybe maybe what we're missing we don't know all the details cuz the police don't
release every detail to the new newspapers but according to that story how I wish they would though did his
wife actually see the killer or did the or did she just see the back of him or was she just going off of what Henry
told her to say or what he said he saw and here's the other thing if they both like you said if they both ided them
Jack Carmen together was she just going along with what what whoever Henry pointed to right it's it's interesting
and then then the other question to me was was he the only one in the woods or is she just lying about being in the
woods altogether the thing here too is yeah I mean there's a lot going on here that
that took place in a very short period of time you know there's that phone call did Henry n make that phone call to
try to lure the Christy's friend right to the store near the woods I mean the wood back right up to to the store into
the to that area yeah a lot of people believe once you look at this case that you know what was Chrissy's friend's
name again Carol Reeves so Carol gets phone calls probably earlier that week and then gets one that day again like we
said kind of like the Amy mahalic case so I think you know when he said oh I'm a DJ and we're having this cheerleading
contest just meet me outside and and I think he thought I'm going to get lucky and she's just going to come by herself
and then I'm going to negotiate a situation where I can get her alone but what happened she brought a friend and
then I don't think whoever called her was expecting there to be two and it just so happened that um Christy decided
to stay back instead of hey I'll just go in with you she stayed back and that was
the Killer's opportunity right there m and so really this uh the victim was supposed to not be Christie it it's that
whole wrong place wrong time thing does the caller pretending to be a disc jockey pick the wo Co store or pick that
parking lot because he knew that a girl that lived in that area would cut through the woods and he could have got
he could have been in the woods with her alone watching her following her grab her and and and as you said now there's
a friend there now there's two yeah that's the other speculation is that the killer would have just called meet me
here knowing where um she lived she'd have to cut through the woods and he would have got her just in the woods to
begin with but since there was two girls there it was not an opportune time he could have just stayed back in the woods
and didn't react until he saw her go into the wool Co and then but then he had to act on Christy instead of her
friend now after Jack Carmen is acquitted in December 19 of 1976 um it's determined that Jack Carman
didn't even know Christy Mullin that he had actually pled guilty to killing a girl that he had never seen before and
he spent 846 days in in jail or prison uh because of that yeah and if you see some of the the pictures just of Jack
Carmen when they're arresting him he just looks happy all the time he looks just like he's happy to be there happy
to be talking in on his way into court he's smiling on his way out of court he's he doesn't understand what is
happening and and and it breaks my heart I mean the the guy he seems like like what his foster parents said like he's
just a nice guy that doesn't he does wouldn't know to fight somebody because he doesn't understand the situation yeah
he's basically living in a shelter yeah they they said that his foster parents at his defense you know they said that a
four-year-old could have could beat a four or five-year-old kid could beat up Jack Carmen because he wouldn't
understand the situation and ask him what you said you raped that girl ask him the definition of rape does does he
even know what that means and and this is terrible that that somebody took advantage of this person and and I mean
had these people not come to his defense the the the the citizens came to his defense these reporters came to his his
defense life in prison Yeah but I I think that's a that's a problem with the justice system is when you're pushing
the issue of closing a case there is pressure on these counts to close this case and that's I mean it's a one it's a
heinous murder uh two it's a it's a it's a sophomore in high school it's a 14-year-old girl not not a woman not you
know just uh somebody just stting their life and somebody uh beat her to death in the woods I mean there there's
pressure from the whole community but God you got to get this [ __ ] right yeah you can't just be taking a guy that's
mentally handicapped and just feeding him the answers and then going oh I mean how look at the end of the day you're
the only person that has to live with you and you're going to tell me you're going to be able to look in the [ __ ]
mirror when you set down a guy that you knew was incapable of understanding what
you're talking about and you just get him to confess to this idea well there were some things working against the
police um you know obviously the the ethics well basic human decency is one thing um no what I'm getting at though
is they were put in a bit of a pickle I mean you have a a eyewitness who's just lying okay he says I saw this Maniac
killer he describes the killer they make a composite drawing of this person and not only that typically you would you
would put this guy through the ringer you would say you saw the The Killing go down you would put him through the
ringer because he's very likely to be your number one suspect right but because he says that my wife and
daughter are with me now all of a sudden you have to you have to believe him you
don't have to but that's what they but he has an alibi yeah yeah he has an alibi and then then second of all they
release the composite drawing now here's one thing I will say the composite drawing Jack Carman looks exact he's a
dead ringer for the composite drawing I think the person that made the uh redneck Seinfeld joke was Mr do it or
something on on Twitter I I stole that joke from him so yeah and and no I don't mean any any verbal harm to Mr Jack
Carmen I already said that you know that that I feel terrible that this happened
to him but he you know there's there there okay this is 1975 when you hear that a girl is Beat to Death in the
woods and image comes in your mind when it's described that it was a white man with long black hair and it was it was
like just below the ears it wasn't long black hair and the composite drawing is just below
the ears and it's kind of handicap so one he probably doesn't have a lot of money to get a haircut he's got a wild
he's got a wild Look to Him yeah well but the other thing too is a lot of them don't understand how to shave so when I
was working in the bank and they come in every week and and you got to help them
out you'd realize like they don't shave as often I mean I the captain never shav
but you don't shave I sto shaving when I was 20 years old I was like wait a second I don't have to do this [ __ ]
anymore but no uh and so what's what you're basically saying though is if you see him in some pictures he just seems
like this happy cheerful guy that doesn't understand what's going on and in other pictures he does look like like
this Psycho Killer you know um yeah and and that that probably confused the police because when you when you start
if you're investigating this and you start to maybe not believe Henry n's account of what he saw yeah but here's
what we do here then then the very next day within 24 hours they pick somebody up that looks exactly like him and
you're going what's the chances of that no no no no that's one in a million but the but the problem is you got to start
CH you got to change the way that we investigate murders because here's what we do if if we're investigating let's
say a drug cartel right you put somebody's name on the board and put jack carman's name on the board and then
you just keep going you need to go find the next guy that he's connected to right mhm and
same way with uh the Henry null you go and you say okay now let's go dig more into him but the way murders work is
that you put these people on the board and so what the police did was they put Henry n on the board and they said well
Henry n was the one that saw the eyewitness right mhm and his wife and his kid were in the woods with him so
boom Alibi cross his name off the list sorry just punched your mic um and they cross his name off the list and then
where do we get the eyewitness testimony in the deposit sketch we get it from Henry null and then that uh that sketch
matches Jack Carmen so now we just keep following that path and so they they follow that path and guess what it leads
to a guy that agrees with everything you say so I understand that point you go okay well obviously this looks like the
guy Henry saw and Henry was with his wife so therefore he couldn't have done it so
nisis talked to this guy well maybe they didn't even push too hard it doesn't seem to me like they would have had to
but maybe it was going to take a while to actually I mean they could have said were you did you do this yes did you do
this yeah and maybe his story was just all over the place cuz he was disagreeing to everything and so they
had to clean that up a little bit and I think maybe you know maybe they they're not horrible people maybe they actually
thought they were on to something until the people from the shelter come out and
say wait a second he was here at least till 1:45 yeah and where I think they really
dropped the ball was just before that because after he's posit after Jack Carmen is they positively ided by n and
his wife and they they take his confession they're immediate medely telling the newspaper the next day it
was just a fluke that Jack Carman was there and what is what are their first statements to the newspaper his he he's
a very very poor mental condition and the next statement is he doesn't drive and Jack Carman doesn't know why he was
at graand shopping center right and he doesn't know where he went after the murder he he other than we know he
stayed in Columbus so he's saying I guess if if I was at grelin shopping center then I must have got on a bus and
went back downtown well so they were very quickly dismissing the phone call that Carol Reeves received they're
immediately saying well this was just a prank that had nothing to do with with the murder again putting things on the
list and just crossing them off they're just checking it right off saying nope that has nothing to do with it but then
furthermore they don't even bother to remember they said we are looking for a Koda bus driver that would have seen
this taking a bus to or from the area before after the murder yeah that bus driver
never came forward right and if he's not driving if he's getting around town if he is at all um these bus drivers are
going to start recognizing that you know their patrons so I don't know it's I like like you said I think it's I think
it's pressure I think it's unfair pressure I mean look I like cops I think there's a lot of great cops out there
there's a lot of amazing detectives uh I think they're put into these high pressure situations to close these cases
and uh I think sometimes cuz look you're getting pressure from the whole community community but you're also
getting pressure from the family MH you know and and I and I do believe that the
the family um you know cuz hindsight's 2020 so then after the fact you go well yeah we never believe that Jack was
involved to begin with I I think once they saw Jack and they saw the sketch I Pro I bet money that they're like yep
that's the guy but you know you take a couple more steps and it's like wait this this doesn't add up something's not
right so he's acquitted and then Henry uh n Jr gets out of prison and then what happens when when does he get out of
prison I'm not really for sure CU I don't think he spent that long of time in in jail I knew that he was in prison
but I had a hard time track that down as well and why did I wanted to know when he got out of prison because in January
of 1982 this is less than 7 years after the killing of Christy Mullins pamn his wife that was with him that day files
for divorce now about a month later in February she his wife Pam n is found dead in her apartment the result of a
barbituate overdose and there is a suicide note found by her her side okay which I mean strange because I don't
well strange because we discovered you know a possible suicide case and now null is the number one suspect in this
killing and well it's not a killing I mean it's technically no in Christy mullen's death
all right right and who who who was the one person that would have known for sure if she was with Henry null or not
pam pam yeah and I'm telling you there is this picture uh you might be able to find it at Columbus monthly.com I'm sure
you can find it somewhere on the internet but there is a picture of Henry null at the crime scene where he's
talking to police and he's telling them what he witnessed and what he saw and he's crouched down and he's kind of like
pointing at the ground and looking at the ground and his wife Pamela is 5 six feet from him and she's crouched down as
well and she is and you know they say a picture that says a thousand words the look on her face when she's looking
at her husband right the look on her face is almost like like she doesn't believe a word he says or why are you
making me lie for you that just it's just a disgusted look on her face yeah cuz I wonder if she saw any of Christie
cuz I think that would be enough to you know definitely definitely emotional reaction that happens there and if you
know like if you're not for certain if he did it or not you know you you could be looking at him just going what are
you a [ __ ] animal well what I'm thinking is that he probably came home without a shirt on
right and he asked his wife to go for a walk in the woods I mean I can't does he come home
without a shirt on no I I I think I think he bring I think he tells her after the fact I think there whatever
goes down between him and chrisy goes down and then for whatever reason maybe he thinks somebody saw him and so he
goes run to wco to which that doesn't make any sense either anyways no but that's the thing about this case there's
so much [ __ ] that doesn't make sense right and and how does do you blame pamila do you blame
the wife no because if she wasn't there if she doesn't know and then you he's the one that finds this body no but what
I mean is she knows whether or not she was with him in the woods right when he said he heard screams and went running
off and then but it's her husband so I I could see her just going look it's a little white lie no I wasn't with him I
was just a little bit far farther away and then you know but that's the thing why would he go to w Co why wouldn't he
just run home cuz if he ran home he could then just tell his wife I was walking in the woods and I found this
girl m the same story applies and I saw this guy and then you call the police from there but maybe he knows that if he
goes home that he has to call police I don't know or again though my first reaction would be he states that his
wife and daughter were in the woods with him my first reaction would have been to
run to my wife and daughter to locate them and then go for help that's what I would have done I don't know I think
there's a part of me that thinks that I would have ran after the guy if there was a guy you know but but who knows so
so she so Pam ends up committing suicide possibly in quotations that's what it's
you know that's what everybody says but I'm sure there's plenty of rumor to the contrary uh well this is also 75
so the other thing too is I don't know if she's working at the time and and maybe he's maybe it's just a one income
family right and so there there would be another motivation for her to to go with
his story well he's the bread winner he's bringing home everything you know he's taking care of us mhm so you know
if he goes away then what the hell you know well and Christy mullen's family would continue to fight for justice for
their daughter for their sister for their you know and uh their father Norman Mullen was of the belief that
Henry no was the person they should be looking at all along right and he he begged and bothered and poked at the
police department to continue to investigate this to look at no and they the other thing here is they just kind
of swept it under the rug for a while they they I think they what they were doing was they were ignoring their
mistake that they that they were refusing to put a spotlight back on something that they had done wrong well
the problem too though is that you have a eyewitness and he's claiming one I touch the murder weapon so really I mean
you get fingerprints oh well he covered his story there and then he put his shirt on top my argument with that is if
you have the shirt it's a big difference of you laying your shirt on a bloody body or splatter coming at you and I
know that uh forensics was different back in the day but I'm sure they could have saw splatter and went and one thing
that I find really interesting is the trial of ja Carman the jury believed that the witness was the murderer I
thought that was very interesting MH yeah and that was kind of the uh the the general consensus among the citizens of
the area at the time too so then Pam passes away alleged suicide and then where does this story go from here well
unfortunately in April of 2006 Norman Mullins he's the father of Christy Mullins who was still fighting for
justice for his daughter he passes away at the age of 72 in September of 2013 Henry n Jr he dies at the age of 63 from
cancer yeah and you can find his obituary online and there's not much written about him he did get remarried
uh he was married for about 16 years to his uh in quotation loving wife um and it just kind of listed his kid kids
grandkids and uh step grandchildren yeah around that same time John oler he begins researching the
mullen's murder case what he he wants to write a book about it and he thinks that
this is going to be a lengthy book he was going to look into the investigation and try to get another investigation
going here what he does is he ends up contacting the two gentlemen that wrote for the lantern back in
1975 and he ends up getting all of their old notes all of their uh interviews and
every bit of evidence that they collected along the way he gets that from those guys and he's not digging
into it too terribly far until he realizes this is no longer a book project this is more about finding the
real murderer and what was going to be a length a full length book that you would
see on the shelves everywhere ends up being becoming an ebook something very important takes
place in 2014 in May the Columbus Police agree to review The 40-Year-Old murder case of Christy Mullen now this takes
place now keep in mind the Mullen family MH had begged the police to look into this for almost 40 years and they got
little to no help in a new investigation of this case and and this is another pet
peeve so just let me jump on the Soap Box real quick we're very quick to be like hey let's let's close this case
let's get Justice right away as much as we can so much that we'll take a mentally handicapped guy put him in a
room and interrogate him and get a false confession MH but then after they lose the
case it's like they sit on their [ __ ] hands and don't open up any of these cold cases it's just it just sits there
so it it seems so to just sit at the beginning it's rush rush rush and then after that it's like it's kind of like
hush hush hush you know what I'm saying yeah well I think a lot of that was that
they had little to no evidence for any other suspect I mean they had no evidence on Jack Carmen who they took to
court and furthermore just a couple years after uh the murder the area was bulldozed over because they were
building up that area at the time well yeah they built um 3:15 North yeah so any any additional stuff that they were
hoping to find or or to to conduct any kind of uh surveys or anything like that in the area you know they had lost the
opportunity for that now it wasn't oler it wasn't the author that was able to get the police to agree to review The
40-Year-Old murder he actually said that he got involved and try to get them involved and he got the same runaround
that the mullen's family had got it was only after the Clintonville area commission had requested the police look
into this again now and sometimes what happens is you get new detectives and guys that were younger coming up they
hear about this Injustice and they they sink their teeth into it yeah because the Clintonville area commission has no
authority to make the police reopen the case or to look into it further it's just at their request now the the
current police Department granted that request and their Cold Case Squad reviewed the case and it took them about
a year maybe two years uh and they come out in 2015 November 6th and the Columbus Police Department announced
that Henry no killed Christy Mullins more than 40 years earlier and they rule the case solved and closed and they they
and one of the reasons offer go ahead one of the reasons they did that too was um one of Henry nolles uh nieces came
forward and said look this has been a family secret for years or at least family suspected him of doing this and
he supposedly he confessed to her to he confessed according to the family he confessed to her and at least one other
family member um stating that he had taken the girl into the woods or got her to go into the woods with him and he
made a move he made a move he he was going to rap her it never got that far things got out of control and he killed
her um well and and I I don't even know if it just happened that way I mean it it could be as simple as I just want to
I'm not simple but it could his motive could have been I you know interested in younger girls and you know what he said
to the niece was that he made a move and then she you know didn't react the way he wanted her to and then that's when
escalated uh that doesn't make him any less of a [ __ ] dirt bag he's a dirt bag period you know um yeah and we do
got to be clear I mean obviously he he had died before they make this announcement and what I was sorry what I
was trying to say captain beforehand was that the the police did offer a full apology to the mullen's family uh for
their slip up and they called their their uh work 40 years ago shotty at best um but right you know you you can't
try a guy who's dead um and I guess it's easy to say that he did it and they closed the case and there is to be
honest with you there is not a ton of evidence that that he did do it however what police can say is that they had
enough that if he were still alive he would be indicted and he would he would be tried for that that murder yeah and
so here's what I find frustrating so that's 2015 and the case is closed right mhm
cases closed my friend no not so fast 2016 the police discover that there's a new technology out there that technology
is called Global Filer and basically what this is it's a different way to test DNA
and what this Global filer works best on is old DNA or possibly um not really contaminated but
deteriorated DNA exactly and so they have this new uh test and this is now in 2016 they will not um they will not
discuss what item they're testing so we don't know if they're testing the shirt or the 2x4 if there's something else at
the scene the cops will not talk about what it's uh what item will be being tested now they did say because it's the
case is technically closed that this could take anywhere from 6 months to possibly even 2 years which is a little
ridiculous like so they're they're saying that if the case were open it would be a a more
expedited and I'm not for sure on that it might just be that this uh Global filer DNA testing maybe it takes longer
it's new technology right and there's there's a you know kind of a chain of command you know obviously if things are
set to go to trial they need to have those DNA tested I mean who knows how backed up they are I mean this world is
going to hell in a hand basket real quick but as said I don't know exactly what that evidence is but I do believe
if they're saying we have enough evidence that if if he were still alive today he would be on trial for that
murder and these are the same people that uh put jack Carmen on trial well not the same people the same Department
the same Department the same Department 40 years later so hopefully I mean if we
get an update on what the this DNA test come out we'll we'll update everybody once we know information on it and one
thing that's obvious here though is you know 40 years ago police believed that three people were at the crime scene
Henry Henry null Jack Carmen and Christy Mullen yeah and we only think that Jack
Carman they only thought Jack Carman was there because of Henry null and Henry null pointed at him in the lineup and
said that's definitely the guy that was there well they prove he was definitely not there so that leaves two people at
that crime scene well it's definitely interesting it definitely has some twists and turns to it it's a case I've
never heard of uh I do like covering the cases that are lesser known you have to
really kind of dig deep for the information uh so do we have a recommended reading for the week well
yes we do but real quick before we get to that this was a case that kind of blew my top because
uh you know seldom I came across this case about four or five years ago and looked into it and then you know it goes
away and you look into it a little bit later you read up on it and but the the strange thing here is seldom do you
review a cold case or stumble across a cold case and then there's an actual outcome usually these things just sit
there and continue to be cold forever so our hats should be off to the author to
the gentleman that worked at the Lantern and way Back 40 years ago to the people
of Sharon Township that that got together and said no Jack Carman didn't do this and you got to get him out and
we got to figure out who did this so there was a lot of people that had a hand in this to find Justice whether it
be after the perpetrator was dead you know but at least Justice was found at the end of the day so we got to give our
well don't don't speak too soon because we will wait for the captain to update us on the the DNA
yeah I mean you put that on my shoulders but you asked about recommended reading
yes of course we have one and this week we are featuring life after death This Is by Damen Eckles you may know him as
the uh one of the members of the West Memphis 3 he was the uh socalled devil worshipper uh this is his book that he
wrote and released after he was released from prison and uh it talks about it m it talks a little bit about the case but
it mainly discusses his time in prison and things he witnessed and experienced there it does also go quite a bit into
his childhood which was which was very insightful I recommend this one highly life after death by Damen Eckles you can
get that through our website true Crim garage.com click on the Amazon banner and pick that up today so until next
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A smart and beautiful young girl is beaten to death in the woods. Two eyewitnesses saw the maniac deliver the final blow that ended her life. Police locate the man the next day and bring him to headquarters for questioning. He gives them a full confession. 40 years later and the smart and beautiful young girl's murder is still unsolved. What went wrong? Tonight in the garage Nic in the Captain discuss the very strange case and murder of young Christie Mullins. Join us for a beer and a chat, won't you?

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Brief Summary

The episode details the 1975 murder of Christy Mullins and the wrongful conviction of Jack Carmen, later exonerated when new evidence implicated Henry N.

Key points

The Disappearance of Christy Mullins. 14-year-old Christy Mullins goes missing after a cheerleading contest invitation leads her to danger.
The Brutal Attack. Witnesses report a horrifying scene as a man attacks a girl in the woods.
Jack Carman's Arrest. Police arrest Jack Carman, who matches the suspect description, leading to a shocking confession.
Justice for Jack Committee. A community meeting leads to the formation of a committee advocating for a retrial.
Carmen's Guilty Plea Overturned. Jack Carmen's guilty plea is set aside after questions about his mental competency arise.
Carmen Acquitted After Retrial. After 849 days in prison, Jack Carmen is acquitted in a retrial.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

This takes place August 23, 1975 in North Columbus, Ohio.

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Tension

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