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briana's parents the mainland fielded hundreds of tips about Brianna's possible whereabouts in the day days and
weeks after her disappearance and they heard it all you know she was kidnapped and killed or she was tied to a tree she
was in a lake she was fed to Hogs but about a month after Brianna disappeared an anonymous phone call came in to Bruce
maitlin that said Brianna was being held in a Cellar at a farmhouse on Reservoir
Road in birkshire which is just about 15 minutes away from the Black Lantern in at Bruce's insistance on April 15th 2004
police went to the house in question and found that the house was occupied by none other than Ryan's and Jackson the
last names of the two drug dealers that we had discussed in the first episode a young local couple was also present at
this home these are two individuals both 17 years old at the time now police were
granted permission to search the premises and saw in plain sight drug paraphernalia cocaine pot and drugs but
there was no sign of Brianna and the house didn't even have a Sellar right police arrested all four present and
questioned them they all professed to know Brianna but no one knew where she was or what had happened to her they
were arraigned and released and Jackson and Ryan they actually left the area shortly after this occurred it's unknown
who made the anonymous call alleging Brianna was at the house in July of 2004 Brianna's parents and
their private investigators sifted through rumors about their daughter's disappearance one thing they heard from
multiple sources was Brianna's body could be found in a manure pit on a farm in Sheldon the manure pit was drained uh
Brianna was not in it uh the maintenance also followed up on tips taking them to
New York City and other places they even borrowed an underwater slash underground
camera to search parts of the area which included a river um and the river in question actually had portions that were
were now ice free by the time these searches were being conducted uh that would have had ice there when Brianna
disappeared right Brianna's parents accepted help from an organization that helps to find missing persons this group
is mja incorporated uh in this is an investigations group that is self-funded and does not charge chared the families
for work done on their behalf mja Personnel claims to have found some items in a ditch under some brush near
the crime scene and when we say crime scene we mean where her vehicle was found these were a pair of Victoria's
Secret underwear matching Brianna's size there was a syringe found as well and some zip ties with hair in them mja
turned all of these items over to the Vermont State Police if tests were ever run on the syringe zip ties or underwear
we are never told of these results right but in October of 2004 two mja employees
processed Brianna's car after it was released by The Vermont State Police lab according to Mark Harper of mja he found
traces of vomit on the door frame of the car on both sides a light blue syringe cap was also found and a minute traces
of blood um were found using a black light well they believed that the syringe cap matched the syringe that
they found in the ditch they also found three green fibers possibly from the trim of a jacket or a cuff or hem that
this didn't seem to these fibers didn't seem to match anything found at Brianna's home or where she was staying
so what we mean by this indication is that these fibers could have come from somebody else other than from something
that Brianna was wearing now what mja proclaims to have found in the car has been met with significant
skepticism the thing here is you you have to wonder how unlikely it may have been for the Vermont State
Police to have missed all of this evidence I'm not saying that they would have missed some of it or any one piece
of this evidence it seems difficult for me to believe that they would have missed all of this evidence inside the
small confines of that car well they also claimed that there was still fingerprint tape that was left from law
enforcement that looked like there was fingerprints that they could you know like when they pulled off the tape that
they could see fingerprints and why weren't those taken and why weren't those processed is what basically mja is
claiming yes and I saw that report as well I left out the fingerprint information because of the rebuttal by
the Vermont State Police stating that those were deemed to be be unusable prints for whatever reason yeah I think
they said they were unreadable there you go um so here's the thing or you know regarding this evidence or possible we
should say possible evidence as to what had happened it's hard to believe that they missed all of it but let's say that
they did or let's say that they found it and for whatever reason deemed it to be
unrelated because this car was in their possession for quite some time before mja was able to Pro access the car right
so regarding the the vomit the blood any thoughts there captain of of what you you feel because here's what my
gut tells me regarding the fibers okay so these fibers are are rather small um as we said it's likely they did not come
from Brianna right but this car is almost 20 years old and it's the inside as we described it there's there's
litter and trash all over this car yeah it looks like somebody's either living out of this car or that they just use
their car as a trash can yeah so it becomes very difficult to and again I I believe law enforcement when they say
hey these are unreadable Prints but when you say that you found vomit well dried vomit well was this
something that happened a month before she went missing and she just didn't clean it up I mean there's cans of tuna
there's trash everywhere mhm so one night you get a little drunk and you throw up and you clean most of it up and
there's some um residue left over yeah right or you're sick and you get sick um the blood as far as I'm concerned same
thing I kind of lump all these three things together the vomit the blood and the green fibers T well but you can test
the blood to find out if it's hers right but what I mean by this is not not look
you it could go either way obviously we don't know we just don't know it could actually be evidence of something or
this car is 20 years old and it wasn't well kept on the inside of this vehicle like you said any of this stuff could
have come from not just days or weeks before but it could have come even years before for all we know I it doesn't look
like they were in the habit of cleaning out the inside of this vehicle right so there's a decent chance at least in my
mind that there's a possibility that all three of these items have literally zero
connection to what actually happened and there has never been a real connection established between uh the victim and
the underwear that was found in the ditch right and we don't again I mean when you have needles involved and you
have rumors of drug use you then question and then you have the zip ties are you using the zip tie to tie your
arm off you know to inject something into you are you using the underwear to tie your arm off um these are
possibilities when there's rumors of drug use so we have Harper he's the uh independent investigator that quote
unquote found um things in the vehicle and he would state that he found enough things in the vehicle to back up his
theory and his theory is that Brianna was the victim of a serial killer operating in the area who leaves little
to no trace of evidence behind basing this on he based this off of footprints found on takeout containers on the floor
of her car and the rear view mirror supposedly being bent backwards stating that he believes that there was some
kind of struggle that took place in the vehicle that started in the front seat and may have moved to the back seat and
then to the outside of the vehicle he states that he believes that Brianna was ultimately subdued by using a hot shot
or a quick dose of an incapacitating drug and then the killer abducted and killed her and he' used that with the
syringe yes okay so again though I have but you have a guy that is supposedly a serial killer that doesn't leave behind
evidence and he's leaving behind a syringe right so but it's possible I mean we've seen plenty of serial killers
start killing people and get very sloppy it is very possible but again the evidence that he points to to suggest
this Theory I calling a question again footprints on containers that were in the vehicle I mean if if if he could
tell me that those containers didn't make their way into that vehicle until like 24 hours before she disappeared
then maybe I'll believe that those Footprints had something to do with her disappearance but again just like all
the other items we discussed those containers could have been in that car for a year right but for all we know if
they're bootprints or whatever and then you go okay well we have we know that this killer wears this type of
boot that's but how are we going to know that that killer wears that type of boot
he's I'm just going off of his words I don't have a whole lot of information on this Theory I'm just using the thought
that he says that this this serial killer leaves no evidence behind right but when when the guy says hey there's
some evidence we got these footprints do those Footprints match another case and if they do then I think you have to
keep open mind to that could be a possibility I mean she's only you know a mile and a half less than a mile and a
half from her her work where she left that that's very strange I mean could she have picked somebody up you know did
she pick somebody up in the parking lot before she left um those are all possibilities the other thing I wonder
while we're on the topic and we'll get back to the car again because there's a lot to talk
about with the car I feel but the thing I wonder too here Captain is it something as innocent on on Brianna's
behalf could she have pulled off the road thinking she either forgot something at work or needed to turn
around to go to a different direction for any number of reasons pull off the road and then kind of slammed it into
reverse and accidentally backed into the side of the we've all had accident so very possible or one of my thoughts
too was you know she gets off work if these drug rumors are true if the heavy drug use is true is she leaving work and
pulling off the side of the road to do some drugs real quick and this is a abandoned area and then you do a little
drugs and then for whatever reason she gets a little freaked out oh man I got to get out of here mhm or maybe a cop
Drives By or a couple couple cars drive by she starts getting freaked out I got to get out of here throws into reverse
hits the barn well after after about a year went by we do have some of Brianna's family
would say that they were starting to give up hope that she would ever be found alive but they did still continue
to search for her but then years would go by yeah and in 2007 Brianna's parents moved away from the area to New York to
the state of New York well and let's dive into that a little bit more because you're of the mind and I've been of the
mind too if you have a missing person in your family you don't want to leave the
area MH but during the investigation it came out that um Brianna was molested by
18-year-old male uh I believe that neighbor yeah I believe that male was a direct
neighbor and the family was getting threaten s uh the family was getting there was just a lot of stuff happening
and plus now you're you have this information you didn't have before about a neighbor and now you have to see that
person's very small town so this is one of the cases of a missing person where when
somebody says we left because things were getting bad I believe them uh we've seen it in so many other cases where
somebody is actually a suspect and the person going missing and they they jump town I'm always suspicious of that but
I'm not suspicious of it here well and and like you said we usually think that's a huge red flag but that would be
especially in the case of younger missing persons true where Brianna being 17 she and here's the vibe I get too
Captain with Brian and I obviously I don't know but I feel like this was a a young adult you know 17 years old about
to be an adult I really feel like this was somebody if she was getting her life on track like her mother says I kind of
feel like this is a a 17-year-old going on 25 right you know this was somebody that was ready to venture off into the
world and hold herself and carry herself like an adult now the thing that the thing that I also found to regarding
this and you put it in a in better more detailed terms terms was that we have Bruce I'm Batman her father he said in
the course of his searches for his daughter he confronted a lot of people demanding to know whether they knew
anything and this created a lot of enemies for him and his family and as you pointed out uh they received threats
uh in the process of looking for their daughter Bruce was working in the for forestry industry as well and he
publicly said that the strain on him was was big time and this is because he you
know he'd be out in the woods and finding scraps of clothing in the woods or seeing buzzards circling around it
was like or if he saw a fire he would have to check it out yeah I mean he he's at work and he can't get away years
later he can't get a away from this could this could have something to do with my daughter's disappearance or this
this could be finding my daughter today while I'm at work well it really makes you feel bad for the family and I think
in a lot of these cases we see um you know there talk about the victim but we don't talk so much about I mean the
effect that this has on the family members is is devastating it's lifechanging forever let's get into some
of the rumors because we've kind of been circling around this and but there are some very that uh very specific rumors
that have raised questions in this case the first according to several insights sources a lime wedge was found on the
trunk of Brianna's car right this despite the car having backed into the barn or the the I'm sorry The Farmhouse
and a portion of that Farmhouse collapsing onto the trunk of the car right so it's not known exactly where
this lime was found the lime gave rise to a slew of rumors that there was a party at the Dutch burn house that night
there is quite a bit of debate whether people hung out at that house at that abandoned house we do know that a gun
and drug paraphernalia was found inside there um could this have been a possible
meeting place for teenagers or used by dealers or a Meetup spot right um but on the other hand here here's the thing on
the other side of the coin Captain it seems a bit weird to me it seems to make little sense to me for illegal
activities to be inducted at what I would consider to be such a visible spot on a well-traveled road and what I mean
by that is her car is only there for a limited time and we have several people stating hey I saw her car there that
night right there's no evidence of a party and what I mean by that is we have eyewitnesses that saw her car we don't
have a single eyewitness that I've seen or that I've read about that saw multiple cars there where there was a
party right now it could be that again could it is it possible that she met people after work and they decided let's
go down to this barn and and do some drugs and have a little little tiny party that is possible MH uh but again
there's no evidence of that well like you pointed out earlier she's less than a mile and a half away from the Black
Lantern in yeah this is a bar and restaurant where I would expect to see and find lime wedges yeah you put the
lime in the coconut and we already reported the low temperature that night was 8° right A lot of people argue that this
line would be in contct with alcohol so therefore it wouldn't freeze and that's also not true just also depending on
like is in the proof is there's something to do with the proof that yeah so the alcohol by volume would would be
in direct relation to whether it would freeze or not right and again this wouldn't have to be in
contact somebody could just have lime in the water or whatever or it could be somebody some people like to cut up the
limes or the lemons and and and chew on them and eat them so is it possible somebody was out by her car or was
somebody just being a jerk and threw it and it hit her car and she didn't even know it was there M you I mean it's uh
well if it was discarded after somebody was done with their drink or if somebody
kind of you know you just kind of you toss out the drink with keeping the the glass in your hand if that were to occur
I would assume if if this is a mixed drink and that's what I would expect to find a lime on um or
in if they were discarding their drink it could be that it was the drink was considerably watered down by that point
and again like I said the low temperature that night is 8° we know that we we have to believe that she
wrecked her car between the time of leaving work which is about 11:30 at night and between the the first sighting
of the vehicle yeah which was just midnight or 1:00 depending on how you read that report so that's that's a half
an hour to an hour and a half later and at that time of night I'm going to expect it to be very close to the lowest
temperature of the night right again if the lime is on her on the roof of her car and we're also talking
about it's a big trunk yeah so it's not like the small trunks that we have today
so she hits the this building or whoever hits the building and that even if the line moves a little bit it could still
stay on the trunk I think it has nothing to do with this case I think it's simply
she worked at a bar she was a mile and a half from the bar I'm sure there's constantly things put on her car I I
don't think it has much to do with anything I had one time when uh when I was married that I was digging a ditch
and I needed to go to the store to get a new shovel and I took my I had my ring off while I was digging and was on the
back of my car on the bumper I drove miles went to the store then drove miles back and luckily the the ring stayed on
the car but so I I just don't put a lot of weight into this whole lime thing if it was even there we got to we got to
keep in mind that this is a we're going through the rumor section of what was going on I'll just assume that it it
seems like a strange thing for someone to just make up so let's go with that it was true but again I'm going to go back
to she was coming from a place where I would expect to be many lime wedges you know it's a bar it's a restaurant right
you know I think that it was likely Frozen to the vehicle before she even left there now another rumor in the case
that has been Central to this case has to do with a story told by Brianna's mother that Brianna seems to have seen
someone or something that day when they were at the mall the same day that she went missing that that shook her up yeah
remember there she had this uh thing happen where Brianna went into the parking lot then came back and she was
shooken up so one witness much later told maitlyn family private investigator that he had been told by someone unnamed
that this individual went to the mall and warned Brianna to not go to work that night right so I mean I I guess
this would go probably go back to something we talked about on yesterday's show did
she has she made some type of enemy or did she owe somebody money or was this something to do with the local drug
scene right or the girl that punched her in the face multiple times the other thing to that the the true two drug
dealers that we've discussed on the show that there seems to be some possible connection if not directly with Brianna
or would have been with maybe some of the people she some of the circles she ran in right would be this Ryan's and
Jackson character here's the thing okay I got to believe look in a lot of these cases
that we've covered especially when we go back to like the 60s or 70s there's always the rumor of well soand so must
have owed a drug dealer money and they didn't pay up so the dealer came after him and killed him right okay let's
think about that for a second now I understand that crazy things do happen and that mathmatically not everything
always works out but can we just agree that the overwhelming majority of the time when when a situation like that
goes down it's because somebody owes a considerable amount of money or a considerable amount of drugs to
someone a a a pot dealer doesn't go after somebody for a hundred bucks and kill them it just it it it does not
happen o well it depends on how you run the streets you know no but can can we agree I think as a whole as all the
garage Army I think we need to just agree that that's not the way that these things go down so that's not how I run
my streets well that's fine but the thing what I'm what I'm trying to get at here is then if we
have to under if we go down the thought of her being killed for drug money or a debt that that was owed to drug dealers
right that also means that those drug dealers permitted Brianna to rack up a huge debt that typically doesn't happen
usually often when somebody sells somebody something or fronts them something if they're not paid for it
they don't front them again and again and again and again and again right but this also I mean we have rumors that she
was doing not just smoking pot but you know possibly smoking crack and then on top of that getting a job the rumor was
that she got the second job to pay off a debt right but I I don't know how that counters what I was saying about racking
up a a large debt well but you could rack up it might not be over and over it could been a one-time thing where this
person felt like Hey we're pretty you know not only are you buying drugs from me but we're friends all you need this
much coke or you need this much whatever and or maybe heck for all we know the the it was she was going to sell it for
him or something and something went bad she owed him a bunch of money right I no
I agree with that um but I agree with your theory that a drug dealer is not going to let her rack up a debt over a
period of time what I'm saying is there is that possibility of hey onetime thing
you know because this is a 17-year-old that's living on their own and needs money right so well and then on top of
that though so as far as the drugs that we mentioned uh as being well not just mentioned but what we know was being
brought into the area most of those you would have to sell a a huge quantity for them to be
EXP expensive you know the only expensive drug in that list is cocaine and usually people don't front somebody
you know hundreds of dollars or thousands of dollars of cocaine especially somebody they don't know very
well well a guy might to a pretty girl the other thing we have to consider too is if somebody owes a debt to a drug
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the hell out of me and probably a lot of others out there and this was a very popular Theory early on that someone was
hiding in the back seat of Brianna's car while she was at work and as she drove down east Berkshire Road was attacked
and maybe the attack caused the accident somehow into the abandoned house and then this person hiding in her car
abducted her yeah possible I mean we again we have the rumors of the threats being made to not go to work she goes to
work anyways cuz she needs the money and then the person that maybe threatens her
or the group of people that threatens her goes hey we're going to teach her a lesson when she gets in the car we'll be
waiting and I know that sounds very urban legend is right but we do have Bruce maitlin he initially embraced this
Theory and police did say that it's still considered a possibility to this day so did the per wait in the car and
wait for her to pull off away from work there's a couple things that might be tricky about that we don't know how
long her shift was that day or when this person would have entered the vehicle we
do know it was very cold out that night it seems like um somebody sitting there quite bored and quite cold for maybe
hours waiting for this individual to return to that's why I would think it would be involved with the threats
because there's the people that were making threats to her would know what time she was starting possibly what time
she'd be ending as well you also have to you bring up a good um possibility could someone you have to
wonder could somebody go into the establishment and get a feel for when she might be leaving that night and not
have to wait out there in the cold right the other thought too and this was a theory that is interesting we have the
thought that Brianna was ambushed by multiple people with some type of Roadblock that may have forced her to
pull over and then she was taken from that abandoned house area this to me seems less likely than the perpetrator
hiding in her car the only reason why I say that is because the way this theory is
reads implies multiple individuals working together we already discussed that this is an area with no cell
service this would further complicate individuals working together plus that we never hear of any evidence or could
find of any evidence stating that there were skid marks on the road right but if
we want to talk all these possible you know crazy possibilities there's people it's the
threat's not coming from one person the threats coming from multiple people we know that that is something that spooked
her we know that they didn't want her to go to work for whatever reason that's evidence we do have so if these
individuals didn't want her to go to work who knows why right or but but but a warning doesn't it could be either way
it could be somebody saying we don't you know we don't want her to go to work for
whatever reason or someone that knows of something that could be going down and trying to say hey it's unsafe for you to
go to work right I but I think most people believe the threat that was was made while she was shopping was you
don't go to work not that something's bad's going to happen like you better not do that so she goes to work could
somebody be in the backseat of her car possibly could somebody be uh could they uh run her off the road possibly could
they set up a roadblock possibly could somebody be in the backseat of her car and they set up a roadblock
also all these things are possible I think we just have such lack of evidence these things I think that you're right
there and I I would agree with if I had to pick one or two of those being as being more likely the roadblock is the
one to me that doesn't make a lot of sense because we've already discussed that well the reason why it makes sense
though is it's the reversing and hitting the barn from reverse and if you set up
a roadblock like maybe you'd be like what the hell is happening here and then you'd slow down but once you slowed down
enough where you'd see who was in the cars of the road block block or who was out of the cards of the roadblock then
you might punch it back into gear cuz you're going to have to hit this Barn going 35 40 m an hour and that's pretty
fast going in reverse so that's the only reason why that that theory is plausible
to me I agree with that what I meant was that it's a busy road that we've we've already discussed how many people we
think were traveling on the road after midnight that night and it it seems to me like a roadblock would have been
tough for to pull off and not have anybody else see it or say hey there was some strange activity going on just
before midnight on that road I agree fully with that yeah then there's the other Theory and this might be even more
plausible that that Brianna met someone at the abandoned house or near the abandoned house the night that she uh
went missing and was abducted from there so pointing to the possibility of a struggle inside her car or just outside
of her car her family has stated that they do believe that there was a possible struggle at this scene some
investigators believe that there may have been a violent confrontation inside the vehicle we discussed that earlier
this based on the the lights and the blinkers going on and off so things scattered around inside and outside of
the car as well as those reports about The Lights being on the blinkers being on the blinkers not being on there is
the report from the police that states a broken piece of jewelry was found outside of the
vehicle again here's what I would like to hear in this situation a broken piece of jewelry was found outside of the
vehicle we know that the officer picked it up assumed that it came from the vehicle so he put it back in the vehicle
and then had the vehicle towed right can we get anybody friends or family to say
yes that was a piece of her jewelry right because just like what what we discussed about the vehicle being almost
20 years old and items inside of it could have been there for years for months for weeks that broken piece of
jewelry could have just happened to landed there years ago you know or months ago right if you could prove it
was her it leans that evidence leans towards the idea that there would be a struggle at that scene what I think
points more towards a a direct connection between uh to our victim or our missing person is the loose chain
that is a rumor to have been found on the ground outside of where the car would have been so we talked about what
she we do know that she wore to work that night that apron that had pockets on the outside of it uhhuh we we don't
have family or friends to tell us what else she was wearing that night but here just a general thought is either she
still has that apron on or maybe it's on her lap and either through the course of
some kind of struggle or even just the simple Act of getting out of the vehicle at that scene of the abandoned house
could cause loose change to come out of those pockets and fall onto the the ground there what I'm getting at with
this is you're saying well what does that point to to me that kind of points to Brianna could have very likely or was
very likely at that scene right that night so let's go back to 2006 for a minute this is when the maand started to
work with a private investigator named Greg overacker the maand were very frustrated with what they perceived as a
lack of progress in the case and at about the same time they're getting assisted by Kelly Maitland's sister
Tammy they have their website up and going right and they're receiving several tips and some of these tips are
about a man called The Joker now according to tips The Joker whom police later identified as Jorge SoDo 26 years
old of Springfield Massachusetts was an associate of Raymond Ryan and Nathaniel Jackson the two uh very well-known drug
dealers by our listeners at this point Soto reportedly bragged repeatedly that he had killed Brianna people in Richford
said that SoDo was Notorious in their town for having quote strangled a puppy to death at a party with his bare hands
end quote this is believed because its barking got on his nerves when the police questioned Soto about his
boastings concerning Brianna he told them that his claims were only bravado made up to make him quote appear big and
mean end quote in the eyes of those that He dealt drugs to right but he was big and mean well he was certainly mean I
didn't see the size of this man but I'll I'll go on your word um but even after police questioned him SoDo reportedly
continued to tell people that he killed Brianna and even told one group of teens
he buried her body in a cornfield behind a house he occasionally occupied so the the thing here is that I
did see someone this is tough because I couldn't find the actual information myself but I found someone discussing
that SoDo was actually arrested and put in jail prior to Brianna's disappearance and he was he was released
the day before she disappeared yes so I went down that trail and I was think well this person's going to say that he
was locked up and he couldn't have done anything to Brianna but according to this source which I've not been able to
verify he he was arrested but was in fact released just the day before he would have been somewhat in this area is
the thing that we do know at the time of her disappearance right I wonder if there's
any well they probably didn't ask but I wonder if what if he went to that bar that night saw her he knows her through
her other drug dealer connections M hey can you give me a ride that you know and
but there's nothing that I have found that puts him in that town that day but in law enforcement I think their claim
is we would have known if he's in town you wouldn't know there's 13 of you right you'd know if he's in town for a
while but you wouldn't know the minute he had there's not some radar that goes off so it's definitely possible I think
it's very creepy and you got to be a giant piece of [ __ ] to walk around telling people that you're responsible
for this uh and then when the cops come up on you you say ah I'm just bragging to you know to make myself look bigger
well and then go back to stating that you did kill her after you're done talking to the police right but they
need to follow up on some of these rumors I mean if he's talking about baring her and this cornfield you know
you know how much does it cost to get cadaver dogs to go out and and search it would seem to me like I can come to two
conclusions regarding Jorge SoDo or the Joker right we we either have an individual that actually killed Brianna
or we have a guy that's a freaking [ __ ] okay that's the only two conclusions I
can come to with this guy now both according to GRE Greg overaker um the private investigator he
stated that so eventually ended up being sent to a mental health facility and to
prison as well the other prevailing Theory another prevailing Theory I should say that while questioning locals
friends Anda acquaintances of Brianna Greg overaker repeatedly heard the following story there was a late night
party in Richford the night Brianna disappeared overaker was told Brianna attended and something horrible happened
to her at the party some people said she was killed at the party others said she
overdosed others said she was deliberately overdosed right several reports that overacker heard had
Brianna's body disposed of quote on a farm somewhere in Franklin County so under this Theory she would have
attended the party after crashing the car in my opinion the time frame between the witnesses seeing her uh leave work
and then seeing the car around 12 to 1:00 right it's seems likely that this is too short of a time period for her to
have gone to the party ODed and someone then ditched the car at the Dutch burn place before the witnesses saw the car
so if this is the case then does the car crashing into the barn have anything to
do with what happened to Brianna it seems unlikely that the car crash is just incidental in my opinion and then
her going to a party and dying of a drug overdose that same night right Brianna's
friend Katie believes that at least four locals know exactly what happened that night one was someone she considered a
friend until he told her he was present when he witnessed quote The Light leave Brianna's eyes Brianna's friend Megan
who says Brianna was involved in drugs also believes that Brianna odid and that the locals covered it up to hide the
lethal overdose by a minor and their own involvement other possibilities that have been raised over the years we have
a situation where Bruce and Kelly maitlin received a confidential tip concerning a 32-year-old Burlington man
named Gerald Montgomery the tipster told the maand that Montgomery was an associate of Ryan's and
Jackson we get into the story but one thing I want to point out here Captain there's a lot of rumors going on about
what could have happened to this girl doesn't it seem crazy that most of them seem to the names Ryan and Jackson keep
coming back up yeah that they're they're either Associates or they know or they were involved in somehow well and all
the rumors about her drug use if if you believe on one side that she was cleaning herself up or if you believe
that she was getting more into it or depending on it's a depending on what kind of habit you think she
had obviously people she's getting drug from Play A Part in that and they're going to play a part in a lot of
different scenarios I got you I got you it's it's like if drugs if you believe drugs were any way involved at all in
her life then the two well-known drug dealers are are in the storytelling right if she's doing crack or heroin
from these guys and she does these drugs that night and she dies from an OD well
guess who the cops are also going to come after yeah the people with the bad drugs so
so regarding this Gerald Montgomery the tipster said that um that he had something to do with this now the maand
are already aware of Montgomery at this point I would believe and this would be through newspapers because in March of
2005 Montgomery raped beat and strangled to death a 31-year-old woman this is Laura
winterbottom um the rape murder took place in a vehicle on Burlington Street after his arrest it was learned that
Montgomery worked in Burlington worked in a Burlington elementary school but was con a convicted sex offender in New
York so he was a convicted sex offender in New York and then moved to the Vermont area and started working in the
school before he killed this woman yeah I don't know the details of of him being
involved in Brianna's case or leading to her disappearance just this is somebody
that we know is capable of murder and it sounds like he was in the immediate area
at the time in 2008 the Vermont State Police issued a press release saying the following investigators believe that
there is a strong indication that Brianna is in fact a victim of Foul Play there is no evidence at all at this time
to indicate that Brianna willingly left the area so it sounds to me like in 2008 the Vermont state police were kind
of back to square one in a sense because square one started off being that they thought that she was either uh some kind
of runaway or just an irresponsible teenager that would turn up eventually right so in 2015 a Canadian
investigative journalist named trik started looking into the case now teric says he's 100% certain that Brianna's
disappearance was drug related although not because she owed a debt she was quote made to Disappear by several
people in that business not just a random killer but people said you know but people she knew according to tck tck
believes that the murder was planned that Brianna was warned about it that day at the mall and she chose to ignore
the warning both overacker he's the private investigator and TK agree that there is a conspiracy of Silence around
this case and agree to some extent about Brianna's fate overacker thinks that at
least three people know directly what happened to Brianna but it may be a group different from Ryan's and Jackson
the two drug dealers so in other words that locals were involved right he says up to 15 people likely have information
on the case looking into this case recently overacker heard from an informant that a car followed Brianna
that night from the Black Lantern in forced her to pull over and grabbed her according to this informant multiple
people were at the Dutch burn house when Brianna was taken and the car was disposed of or wanted to be disposed of
the informant told overacker that a tall male attempted to drive the car but his
knees got in the way and he accidentally crashed it into the side of the abandoned house these people all were
complicit in or had knowledge of Brianna's death and Disposal the informant was not a was not local to
this case but moved in the same circles as those responsible he said that Brianna was buried on a piece of
property a private property somewhere in the area now we would be remiss if we didn't
discuss a possible case connection right Captain there is one other theory that has now been well
some would say it's been debunked by law enforcement and Brianna's family but it's an intriguing one and one that we
should mention part of the reason that Brianna's case received so much attention from the media and the public
from the get-go was because it seemed all too familiar there is another case of a young woman taking off in her car
destination maybe unknown crashing it in the dark Rural Road in the upper New England area and Vanishing from the face
of the Earth yeah and in fact this case took place only 90 miles from where Brianna went missing and it occurred
just 5 weeks earlier and yes we are talking about Mara Murray let me just start off with the whole idea of only 90
miles if you said hey uh I'm moving don't worry it's only 90 miles away that's that's a far
distance yeah and remember we had this when we discussed the case of the two two murdered ladies that were both out
jogging and they were killed within like sorry I don't have my notes in front of
me but it would have been like a roughly a week of one another and they both happen to be out jogging when when they
were attacked by by separate individuals right the cases were not related at all
but they were in the general same area of the country and they were both doing the same activity when they were
attacked those cases had nothing to do with one another one thing I will say here though that that I I think it's
appropriate to get into it here is that I do understand the math you know everybody says regarding Mara Murray and
they say it as well with Brianna matlin's case well that's because you went to school for a computer no but
they say the math do you understand the mathematics of someone happen to they happen to be in an accident and before
they could could get to safety or get to another location they cross paths with a
serial killer yes I understand how ridiculous that would be the probability of that happening and then let's factor
in that it was the same serial killer that is as close to I mean we're not even talking about lightning
striking twice we're talking about something even more improvable than that but what is far more likely is that the
two could have ended with the similar fate right we could have a situation here where both did
accidentally crash their cars and they cross path with cross paths with a killer someone that would go on to
attack abduct and kill them not necessarily the same individual and what I mean by that is
we've covered enough cases Captain we've seen plenty of time times where somebody
they didn't wake up that day with the intention of abducting attacking and killing somebody but by the end of the
their day that's what happened for whatever reason and maybe it's because they came across the their eventual
victim just by happen stance right so if there is any relationship between these
two cases in my opinion would be that it's just a similar set of circumstances not that they're in fact
related in any other way so where the case stands today we have Lieutenant Glenn Hall says cops have
worked this case to death but still can't offer closure to the family Hall believes that the tips regarding drug
abuses uh parties and overdoses were exaggerated and there is no real evidence that Brianna was involved in
the drug scene as the rumors claim he stated in 2014 that authorities do have quote Persons of Interest in the case
but in a a surprise Revelation reported by WCAX in March of 2016 police indicated
that they have DNA evidence obtained from Brianna's vehicle and that they continue to work the case as a case of
missing of a missing person with suspected good to hear that though with suspected foul play as of March 2018 the
Vermont State Police say that the case is still active with several leads but no clear suspect so what are your
thoughts on the this case here Captain well this one is very difficult I think for two reasons one that you can
basically take all the actual evidence and put it on a very small piece of paper the amount of rumors you could put
the actual evidence on the lime wedge probably yes and then you could fill a whole book with the rumors yeah and and
that's what makes this very difficult and and the reason why it's similar to the mara Murray case to me is you have
all these things like the lime wedge like the the way the car was crashed mhm the are going to work these possible
threats you have all these things that they might mean everything or they could mean nothing
and probably mathematically you would have to wager that the majority of these things likely mean
nothing right I I I do put a little more weight um I've heard some of the private
investigators and some uh armchair detectives talking about the rumors that the friends have came forward I mean
it's been years later you know she's since she's gone missing and now you have some of her really close friends
that are coming forward and to me it's almost um they're trying to get something off their chest I don't think
the rumors were that the friends were there but they know of people that Abriana was with
I I put a little bit more weight into those um confessions if you will uh than I think most of the other people
because they're going well what they're saying makes sense but the scene at the car doesn't make any sense and I don't
think necessarily they have to go hand inand so we might not be able to explain the car crash we might be able to
explain this one in I put a little more weight into what they're saying um but this one is a big I don't know I agree
with that and I think a big problem like you stated not just the rumors but there's also so many different people
rumored to have been involved and right that makes it extremely difficult the other thing that I find Crazy is we're
not talking we shouldn't be talking about a large circle of people coming forward we already said there's only
like 900 people in the town total so the amount of people coming forward those rumors can't even seem to agree on who
the number one suspect is and the number one reason why she would have been killed right you know so that seems
weird to me and not even a clear understanding if she was even involved in drugs um on that level at all I think
that you know there are several possibilities that I can't walk away from one being that it could be as
simple as she intended to turn around on her drive for whatever reason any number
of reasons accidentally wedged her car up on that foundation and she couldn't drive off with that car and we know that
she picked up a a hitchhiker at one time this is her mom's statement that points
to me that she might be willing to get into somebody's car and that could be somebody that decided to do something
terrible at a moment's notice right for no real reason at all other than their a complete
monster the other troubling thing too is like we pointed out that those two same
drug dealers names seem to come up in most of the rumors as to what happened to Brianna uh so you can't discount that
really the other thought with her ex-boyfriend James is weird because he says later that he saw her vehicle yeah
we know they have some kind of History it's unclear to me what his history was with that key girl who I also said you
know like Bruce maitlin said has not officially been cleared in his opinion and I don't think she's officially been
cleared in my opinion either but this James guy I did come across some rumors that he may not have
actually been in Canada that night at all uh but I couldn't find any hardcore proof that that was in fact the case but
those are the rumors then the weird thing this is like the Encyclopedia Brown and me that going off on something
that's completely likely has nothing to do with the case but something that is mentioned
in the case and doesn't seem to add up or make sense was that she left the note at her friend's house stating that she
would return after her shift I wish we had a little more information on that because what also is reported is that
her friend was out of town that weekend and she reported or called the maand family to state that hey she's
been missing and I've been home since Sunday and now it's Tuesday and I can't find her I don't know where she is but
what I call into question is if you know your friend is out of town for the weekend why bother leaving the note
stating that you would be back at her place after her your shift you're telling somebody that's not there that
you're going to be there right that seems like a strange thing that that I wish we had more information on that now
in conclusion you know so we have the Black Lantern and it did close in 2015 eventually it would reopen under
new ownership the dutchburn house eventually burned to the ground in a fire in 2016 Brianna has been missing for 14
years many people looking into this case believe that it is likely this case will
be solved too many people seem to have information on what may have happened to her for it to stay under wraps forever
all it will take is one of them to break the quote conspiracy of Silence surrounding this case Bruce maitlin
doesn't believe Brianna is alive any longer he believes she knew the person who eventually abducted and killed her
he believes that Brianna met someone at the Dutch burn house and there was a struggle but beyond that it's all
speculation based on evidence that doesn't make a lot of sense quote I don't think this was a random act of
being in the wrong place at the wrong long time maitlin told foxnews.com he said there was something going on in
Brianna's life that we don't know about she had obviously made a connection with
someone that may have resulted in what happened to her all right we want to thank everybody
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Brianna Maitland's disappearance involves anonymous tips, drug dealers, and ongoing mystery with no clear resolution.

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Brianna's Disappearance Investigation. Brianna's parents received numerous tips about her possible whereabouts after she went missing.
The Creepy Theory. A theory suggests someone hid in Brianna's car and attacked her as she drove away.
Jorge SoDo's Disturbing Claims. Jorge SoDo, a known associate of drug dealers, claimed he killed Brianna.

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Brianna's parents fielded hundreds of tips about her disappearance!

Overview of the investigation efforts.

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