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true-crime 37 year old Jessica Johnson was found dead in June of 2017 as we said yesterday captain basically tied to
a mailbox post in a rural area this is in Mississippi now we started to talk about the photograph there is what you
could call a famous online photograph regarding this case law enforcement has called this a suicide her friends and
family say no way this has to be a murder mm-hmm you and I agree it's at least a mysterious death well look your
your job is to serve and protect and when people of the community that are law-abiding taxpayers they say hey look
we know the person we think this is suspicious at least investigate it yeah and yesterday we talked about what the
photograph depicts and what can be seen in that photograph we also told you where you can find it to view it for
yourself now looking at this photograph because this is essentially possibly the
biggest piece of information we have left in this case without you know we do have some eyewitness statements and
things like that but this is a big piece of this case that has remained so your first your initial reaction when you see
this photograph what what jumps off the page to you is there anything in particular that that jumps off the page
to you well I think the first thing that we talked about on the phone last week is that
around her neck the shoelace that's around her neck also has hair caught in it yeah her hair is in that in the
shoelace yeah and to me if somebody was gonna it would be like a subconscious thing where
maybe if you're gonna put something around your neck especially a female that has to deal with a lot of hair that
she's gonna pull that hair through the shoe lace and so to me that it's kind of points me I lean towards the idea that
that makes it seem like somebody put that around her neck and that she didn't put it around her neck herself the first
thing that I think jumps off the page to me immediately is the positioning of her
body and as we stated this post this mailbox is about 38 inches high so with the positioning of her body she's almost
squatting sitting down she's sitting on our feet right and one thing we talked about was the if
if this was an attempted suicide or if this was a suicide one thing you have to keep in mind with the position of her
body she could have just if she would have panicked at the last second she could have just stood up mm-hmm and it
would have stopped it would have stopped the the shoe strings from constricting around her her neck now we did talk
about our clothes yesterday and I'm saying that these are clothes that the family like fan we don't think should
wear these now she did pick up her friends so I would like to know from her friend was she wearing these clothes
when she saw her or was there a change afterwards oh yeah 515 mm-hmm and and I'll get to
that later on I'll bring up that point again later on but again then you see this purse and you see that this charger
is kind of out of the purse mm-hmm I had a friend my friend Morgan was looking at
this picture and he was saying well maybe you know if it was a suicide and she's
going well maybe these shoestrings or maybe this charger cord yeah maybe that's why it's out of the purse that's
the other thing I don't know the length of that charger cord but if you were looking to pick an item to hang yourself
with if that cord is long enough that's what you're going to pick over the shoe strings in my opinion and keep in mind I
find it strange that the shoes are found very far away from her you know the police report is weird it reads weird
about where the shoes were found it seems to indicate that they were either found up near the home or inside the
house itself mm-hmm and this is you know at least a hundred yards away and she's
got the shoe strings there with her the other thing that jumps off the page to me is whoa okay that's a pitch off and
be rude but I'm gonna pull the captain I would like to know what the condition of
her socks are or her feet because that would show us something which we can't see and right Haven again if they if she
took off the shoes you know if it went down like the friend Jesse said where she was making threats that she was
going to kill herself and then she threw her shoes somewhere and and decided well
I'm going to start walking with the the shoelace we would have some evidence that of that on the bottom of her feet
the other thing to keep in mind regarding Jesse statements and others you know other people's statements
it's believed she was last seen if we were to believe them she was last seen around 6:00 p.m. the night before she's
found around 11:00 a.m. the next day right the death report states that they believe she was she died sometime in the
early morning hours so if that report is correct and we've talked about in the past of questioning the the time of
death it's not so it's not such an exact science all the time all of the time try
it's not black and white where would she have been four we're talking about hours
so even if you go to the earliest point right early in the that morning the earliest point would be 12:01 a.m.
that's still a six-hour difference right at the very earliest point yeah I think
that to me is another red flag we we know that the time of death would have like you said there was a smaller window
so oh we haven't seen her since six o'clock well so she was missing for how many hours before she decided to take
her own life mm-hmm like that just seems fishy to me that's a red flag we need to investigate the
details of that night a little bit more and see if these guys are telling the truth because I just don't believe so
that I don't think the last time she was saw by these guys was six o'clock and I'm with the the general public who have
viewed this photograph seemed to believe that her purse looks more like it was placed there after she you know was
killed I would agree that it looks that way to me as well but then I have to keep in mind what we know regarding
eyewitness statements we do know that the the second mail carrier that showed up when when the first mail carrier saw
this panicked called a colleague the second mail carrier shows up and did go through the purse because we know that
he gave the driver's license to the responding police officer right and which might be the reason why the the
cord is sticking out risers those cords aren't super that there's some stiffness
to those cords so if you just kind of pull some stuff out and you bump it could kind of be hanging up outside the
purse by itself so that could be a reason for that well and it also could very likely be
the reason why the purse appears to have been placed there after she was killed because if if this person
picked up if the mailman picked up the purse to retrieve the driver's license judging by this picture he would have
placed it back down at some point right right yeah so that that could explain the court being out that could also
explain the positioning of the purse itself well I'm gonna say some of them I know that there is a picture the picture
that you're gonna commonly find is Jessica's faces blurred out and that becomes a issue and I'll explain why
because if you look at this post the main post that's going vertical so there's three post one that goes
vertical and then that one goes horizontal that holds the mailbox hmm and so those come to a ninety degree
angle you can see the shoelace has slipped down in between them right and it's probably stopped on a nail yeah so
what's interesting is if you look at the way because I always thought them Oh shoelace being tied one time it's not
like they doubled it up for strength or anything it's theirs they're too connected to make a big
circle long a long length of rope right but so what we do know is when I first looked at it it looked like was there
just a single strand that you know did to see tie the shoelace and to some kind of a noose or is it just a big circle
that she took and twisted around her neck and then put the other end you know up over this post well it's been it's
been described as basically a figure eight okay with with one loop going around the neck one loop going the
bigger loop going around the the mailbox post right where and that you can't see
the back side of where the other the shoelace would be coming out of the backside does that make sense
so I think there is some things that are kind of missing here but at first it does look like somebody put her there or
it's staged for some manner but the more I thought about it the more I think about just the mechanics of all of it
it's very possible that she could have took her own life by this and maybe not even meaning to
now where the argument becomes with that theory is well if you weren't meaning to
take your own life she's in a position like you said if she started to struggle boom she all she has to do is stand up
yeah but the argument I have here is what if this is just speculation but what if it
was one of those things kind of like the pass-out game mm-hmm so you're not cutting off when you do
the pass-out game you're not cutting off your airway you're you're basically cutting off the blood circulation to
your brain mm-hmm so is it possible that she put herself in this position and then she passed out and then because of
passing out and because of the weight that would have caused the strangulation it's possible but so here's the the big
question that I have when I see this and I've you know I've blown this picture up
as much as I can I've you know even got out the magnifying glass and tried to really see as close up close and
personal as possible but from what I can see here is okay so if you look closely
at the picture of Jessica tied to the mailbox her head is actually tilted up and the lace around her neck is clearly
visible it doesn't seem it seems weird to me that you could possibly hang yourself at
this angle and and furthermore it does not appear to be cutting the lace does not appear to be cutting into
her throat or causing much constriction at all yeah but it's okay and what I mean here is there doesn't
appear to be any kind of ligature marks or indentations from the laces which know if you blow that up which surely
would have dug into her throat if she'd been there for hours right but if she was there from like six to whenever they
found her but I don't think she was there that long but it's definitely causing a day into her neck right do you
see that oh okay in the very front there it does appear to be constricting right but for
strangulation like the pounds of pressure that you need to strangle yourself is I think under 20 pounds you
can strangle yourself that's why I'm saying is is it possible that she passed out whether it's from cutting off
circulation to her to her brain or or was it a pass out due to the drugs and then that caused an accidental
strangulation right but I want to back you up to something you said just a second ago you said you don't believe
she was there for hours is that right yeah I don't think so well if if that is the case if she wasn't there for hours
then then this is a this is not what it seems this is not a suicide why was that
because if if the cause of death is correct and she died in the early hours of that day and was not found until
11:00 a.m. that could be as long as 11 hours right so what I mean by that is if Wow if you don't believe that this body
was there in this manner for four hours then it has to be something other than a
suicide it means that she died at some point and somebody put her here no what what I was trying to say is that we have
people at this party or people that were hanging out saying we haven't seen her sick since 6 p.m. hmm
and what I'm saying is I think that's probably bogus but let's say that's true then she's wandering around for however
long but whenever if it is a suicide then she didn't decide to do this till closer to daylight if that makes any
sense okay and so I don't see why that would determine whether or not it was a suicide or not no I'm just going off of
the statement that you said you don't believe she was there for hours that that that was just unclear to me well
maybe I should have said that I didn't think she was there for since 6:00 p.m. is what I'm saying well and I don't
think anybody thinks she was there since I I think whatever happened to her and however she was placed there that was
closer to the break of day right and again though if if but to me that doesn't determine whether it's a suicide
or a murder or even an accidental death that somebody tried to cover up and make
it look like a suicide hmm I mean it's it's very possible you know it's very possible that she owed
heed on something you know I understand that they took a toxicology understand that they took a toxicology report but
they didn't investigate this as anything other than she took her own life but if
she od'd then again it's not what it seems right yeah I agree yeah so I mean what
what we're working with here is a few a few troublesome ideas one that she was potentially last seen by these people at
6:00 p.m. if the death if the death ruling was correct not so much in the suicide but the time of death was the
early morning hours then we have at minimum a missing block of six hours yeah if not more a missing block of six
hours and then the other thing too is you know if for those of you out there listening look at this photograph
whew if you choose to and and the thing that I would question is do you believe she was there and in this position for
hours and the reason why I keep going back to that is because that that is the only way that the that law enforcement
findings are correct is that she would have had to have been here in this position for hours right again which
like you said it creates at least a minimal of a six hour gap so if we have a six hour gap and she's found on the
property it calls for an investigation yeah and that's not to say that she couldn't have been wandering around or
doing who knows what that's still a possibility but it seems odd that we have a six hour window and you touched
on something that's very interesting too because you have law enforcement with the finding of suicide the family and
friends say no it was a murder and you bring up something that we talked about when we looked first looked into this
case last week the potential of did she OD we know that this Hawks ecology did show high levels of drugs in her system
could something else have happened to her and then she is later placed here in this manner and over and up well yeah I
guess to cover it up but that also seems weird to me too because well you do some
weird [ __ ] when you're on drugs yeah I've never been on meth but I'm guessing they do some really really strange [ __ ]
oh I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure but but it seems to me though that if someone if someone
Odie's accidentally Odie's in your house or on your premises right a great way of
covering it up is not to hang her from a from the mailbox pose with a suit in front of your house mm-hmm it almost
seems like a million other things could have been done so that you don't end up in trouble for that somehow right
there's also a million other ways to live your life that's better than smoke and meth right yeah but so the fact that
it makes zero sense makes a lot of sense you see I mean no like the fact that I see your point
but I fail to the position where she's sitting doesn't make any sense the the fact that you would try to take her life
with the shoelace doesn't make any sense the fact that the hair is between you know is you know the hair is between the
shoelace and the neck that doesn't make any sense to me the hair doesn't bother me one bit and that doesn't make any
sense to me and again the clothes that the that the family said that she wouldn't wear so
that doesn't make any sense then the shoes that they said she wouldn't wear those shoes so that doesn't make any
sense mm-hmm you know where are you going with that well I'm just saying when when all
these things don't make any sense sometimes it's like well if somebody can say well it wouldn't make any sense to
cover it up this way well maybe because it's a lot of it doesn't make sense then
it makes sense so so that makes sense no I again I'm I see your point I know where's their drug addicts they're
morons you know that there there's people that OD and then they take the the dead body and drop it off in a
hospital this stuff happens you know or see that would make sense to me that would make sense to me dropping the body
off at the hospital but there's also people that OD and then they go bury the body yeah that would make more sense to
me than this none of it makes any sense to me you know like if there was if somebody owed heed you call the cops
right right we know that that makes the most sense to me right so the fact that this doesn't make any sense
well none of the the other stuff makes sense to me either and I'm not saying that that's what happened I'm just
saying that that's a possibility but that also warrants an investigation right well yeah I mean it would be it
this should have been ruled a suspicious death and therefore a suspicious death has to be investigated
that's that's the rule there's no getting around that now what the photograph does not show is
the arm the arm that Jessica's arm that we discussed that had these marks these bruises these scabby marks and abrasions
on her arm right that the family saw when they were at the coroner's office I believe and they photographed this arm
in this hand and so let's talk about these scabby marks in the in the bruises and the print there's also a print on
Jessica's arm now no one seems to know or have an idea where these bloody marks could have come from yes as far as
eyewitnesses go the marks don't concern me as much in the way that maybe this is
just some kind of repercussion from doing the drugs right like he burnt yourself doing the drugs the bruising
concerns me more and the print is very concerning to me mm-hmm yeah Linda Johnson says that she is absolutely 100%
certain that these marks none of them were on Jessica when she left her house on Wednesday evening what about her
friend that's the that's the person that we should be wondering because if she went to pick up her friend Kate you
would think that should see these marks on the left hand at some point from her driving or if she wasn't driving that
Jessica would have been in the passenger seat so the left hand would have been very visible to her and did she see any
of these marks beforehand because it also makes me one there too like with these bruising of the wrist was she like
you said what she bound somewhere else or the other possibility is did they carrier somewhere and there are there
bruises on the right hand that would match the left hand and you know hey grab her arms grab her feet we'll take
her out to the mailbox well I believe that the bruising on her wrist the there appears to be three
bruises to me is what I see and I believe the bruises on her wrist must have happened before death and again it
looks to me well what a proper autopsy prove that well yes a post-mortem wound or and that that's the other problem
yeah but I think scientifically the the way bruising works it would have to happen before she died so this is a lot
of people have question could it possibly be caused by some kind of restraints you know was she tied up was
she or even just a strong hand around her wrists it doesn't to me it doesn't look like something she would have done
to herself based on where it's located unless unless these bruises were left from her attempting to hit someone or
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[Music] all right we're back Cheers captain I do want to point out one more thing before we move too far
away from the photograph itself and what we can see or questions that are raised
by what we can or cannot see in the photograph the the strap to the purse you know we mentioned the shoe laces
being an odd choice for for anyone we we talked about maybe the phone cord would
be a more likely go-to for some type of strangulation be it suicide or murder but chances are that the cord wasn't
long enough for that right but then that's where I go to the the the purse strap seems like seems like another
option another thing to point to the shoe laces being an odd and odd choice but again we don't have the the the
lengths of those items in front of us for comparison so back to the scabby marks the on the hand we talked about
the bruises a little bit the scabby marks Linda Johnson says she's 100% certain that these marks were
not on Jessica when she left the house on Wednesday you brought up the friend Katie that she picked up from work this
would have been at 5:15 so if we are to believe Jesse's story that she was last seen at 6:00 p.m.
that's 45 minutes before 6:00 p.m. you brought up did Katie see these my guess is no I don't have a definitive
statement from Katie in front of me to back that up these are pretty obvious apparent scabby marks oh and I I and I
know that's not the a great term to be calling these but yeah the this is something that if you were talking to
someone you were in a car ride with someone you're not going to miss these marks on the back of her hand no and so
I feel like had she in fact seen them we would have some was some statement of that yes I saw
those when she picked me up and we don't have that I think it's it's more likely
that we don't have a statement from her regarding this specific item then it points more towards they weren't there
on her person at that time yeah and if you look up meth burns there are similar type burns now not all
of them are gonna look like that but well yeah because that is something to get like I said to consider but again
those bruises are so strange because that doesn't have to go with meth with the using of meth well or you know yeah
and the more I look at this the bruising it doesn't look like it's a like a thumb
mark and then another thumb mark initially that's what it looks like but the closer I'm looking at it it looks
like like there's a like strap like there was a strap around the wrist hmm I mean there's like even indents on a
wrist where I could like draw this is where the strap would go and that's very strange mm-hmm yeah
regarding these these marks though according to Linda Johnson Jessica's mother the coroner chalked it up to some
kind of contact with a gravelly surface or possible insect that's possible but her arm also could be pushed up against
that post hmm and that post would have wood grain and it kind of resembles a little bit of a wood grain pattern well
I think you and I are talking about two different things here I'm talking about the bright red scabby marks now about
the indent yeah so let's go to the indent now because that's an interesting thing because there are some people that
have brought up that it looks to them this is a like an impression almost like tracks and I don't mean
injection marks or anything like that and an impression on the arm that some of pointed out looks like it could have
been a boot print of some kind some people say that if they look close enough they can see an outline of a boot
or shuh particularly on the left side of that print this could be I mean this could be from someone stepping on her
arm after death perhaps while tying her up or moving her mm-hmm others though see what well it could be for me it
could be from the goddamn police stepping on her by accident when they move her because they decided parked
their police cruisers right like right on top of her basically the other thing that that some people online say that
they they believe is that possibly so if if you were to believe it was a boot or
shoe print now we're talking likely murder situation or they chose to cover up this drug overdose in the weirdest
manner possible yeah and I look I'm with you like the likelihood like it's so weird but I'm just saying I'm not ruling
it out because these guys just seem very fishy to me the what the other people say that would
point more towards suicide is that what they believe they see the impression was
made by the mailbox post itself yeah as it was pressed against as her arm was pressed against the post that's what
makes sense to me you know what's weird about that though that's when I I look at this photo of her hand and arm and
then I go back to the photograph of her at the mailbox because I'm trying to look for the angle and I know that we
can't see that arm in that hand because that that's the one that would be behind
the post there so yeah it is up against her arm is up against that post and her shoulder is as well but the wood grain
is going straight up and it's not impossible for the wood grain to have made those marks on her arm or that
impression on her arm I think it's less likely because because the positioning of them and the way the angle of them on
that arm what I think that makes that difficult to say definitively that it's not the wood grain is it appears to me
so she's technically behind the mailbox right so if you were in the street delivering the mail you would have the
mailbox right directly in front of you the post behind the mailbox and then she's behind the post mm-hmm it appears
to me and this is very common especially in on country roads is the the ground will go up you know up at an angle near
the road once you get closer to the street especially at that mailbox and if you look at the picture closely it
appears to me the the front of the mailbox might be on higher ground than the back of the post or where she is or
her arm is yeah and so what I mean by that is I you know because if you say well her arm would be straight down to
her side to the left side of her and leaning up against the post and the wood grain could not have caused that
indentation because they're going the wrong direction what I say is her the positioning of her legs and her right
arm could be lower because of the ground is elevated there and that her left hand
and arm might be bent somewhat as they rest on the ground therefore the the wood grain itself does not need to go
straight up and down for it to be the wood grain yeah the other also you have you have grass right we need so and I
think that's probably the more likely scenario that it's not just her arm pressed into the wood grain it's it's
debris and grass and weeds that are smashed between her arm and the post itself right and like I don't think you
wish you could go any direction right and I don't think you believe that she was you know tied to this mailbox since
6:00 p.m. well but even if she's tied at 6:00 a.m. and they find her at 11:00 well that's five hours if I sit in the
grass for 15 minutes I'm gonna have some indents right so five hours what's that gonna do
and where's the weight our weights leaning to that arm so you're gonna have a deeper in debt that's not going to go
away once a transporter so that that makes sense to me right so let's get to some witnesses and
suspects all right so what about the people who were actually with Jessica before she died
we have Jesse Isaac's the homeowner and Garland's friend spoke to a local news channel on camera but his face is
obscured in this in this footage he does say here that there were up to six people coming up and down going to and
from the house both Wednesday and Thursday others say there were more and we actually know of three women who were
there just to see Jessica so if he says only six people came and went from the house on those you know through the
course of that time the time in question that means only three of those were women that were there to see him earn to
see Jessica so so that only leaves three other additional people that seems like
a small number to me almost that somebody's not being included that there were more than six people going to and
from that house and there are people that say that they seem to have saw a lot of traffic during those two days
going to and from that house well Jesse's either lying or is it stupid or he's just so high on drugs that he
doesn't know so it that becomes a conflict of trying to get to the truth because you don't know if he's lying or
if he's just high or we also don't know that if he was actually present for the entire time on Wednesday and Thursday at
the home right okay so the conflict that we have in the stories here is we have the homeowner Jesse whose
as the only six people came to and from the house on Wednesday and Thursday again the problem with that is three
women came to see Jessica we have Jessica we have Jessica's boyfriend Garland we
have the rumor of him being with two girls so you know my public school math right there puts me at seven people now
let's talk about Friday morning because that's when she was actually found Jessie tells WMC TV quote and he's
referring to Jessica just she just appeared out of nowhere it feels like because I mean you had people riding up
and down the street all morning he's talking about you know just pass her buys people passing by on the road not
to mention the night before one thing that's interesting here though to captain is at 6 p.m. in in June in
Mississippi it's still daylight you know and I know that neither of us believed she was there at the mailbox starting at
6 p.m. but that's the last time that she was seen in fact some other claiming yeah sunset wasn't until 8:00 8:03 p.m.
that day Jesse says Jesse seems to believe that Jessica's body may have been placed at the mailbox shortly
before it was found he says quote whatever happened to her it didn't happen here and then he goes on he
thinks there's something suspicious about Jessica's death he says quote the way she was tied to that was kind of
unsettling you know what I mean this is what he told W M CTV so turn over the tapes so we can see well you know the
the footage of the mailbox he goes on to add that kind of gave you the feeling that she didn't do it herself or she
didn't do it to herself mm-hmm and again that statement to me is enough of a red
flag to go hey we need to invest this mm-hmm you know I I understand that she was a drug user but she was also a
mother and she's a person and a lot of people get hooked on this stuff through through the dumbest reasons they hurt
their hand at work and now they're on pain pills and then the pain pills don't work anymore so then they switch to
heroin or meth or whatever so there's a lot of good people getting wrapped up in
this [ __ ] and a lot of that is the big [ __ ] pockets of pharmaceutical companies that are doing stuff that it's
that shouldn't be done and giving drugs to people that shouldn't be given these drugs to and but she's a mother and
she's somebody in your community and this is very very suspicious and they should have they should have
investigated this to the fullest well we also have garland Hart okay Jessica's boyfriend and I know he's got
to be the obvious suspect in most people's minds and he asked of course he is in mine as well
the interesting thing about him is is is several things but the first one is he does seem to have an alibi or at least
someone claiming he has an alibi there's a woman that he dated after Jessica's death okay and she says he was with me
the night before Jessica was found and the morning of that's a I wish we had more well I wish we had less of a vague
statement from her regarding his alibi because the tricky thing here is garland Hart we have the homeowner Jesse Isaacs
saying garland was at my house the night before we have Katie who took Jessica back to that house who says garland was
there the night before but there's probably another two or three witnesses that you could track down that would say
that garland was at that house on the property where Jessica was found the night before so that makes you think
well this woman might just be lying for Garlan heart but the strange thing is he
ends up getting assault charges because he he hit this woman he later gets assault charges
yeah this case this guy ISM any sub work and that's when you wonder well why didn't this woman then change her story
if she was lying for him right why doesn't she come out and say look I was protecting him I would lie door I had my
nights wrong or misremembered anything because it seems like you have more people that can put him there on that
property the night before then put him elsewhere well but what's interesting though is we
have a bunch of people that seemed to be doing really shitty drugs and how can you believe any of them again okay we
think her relationship was somewhat abusive and she's found hung by a mailbox I'm not gonna believe any of
these junkies words I need to do some more research well you know what I'm going to go on I'm with you 100% we need
to do some more research this should have been investigated I'm completely with you on that what I am going to go
with is I'm actually going to go with some of these junkies words and not all of them I'm going to pick and choose and
if I cherry pick some of their statements it goes further more to the fact that this should have been
investigated a thorough investigation and it should have been labeled a suspicious death because the homeowner
who has almost as many reasons to look guilty of something as the boyfriend mm-hmm he even says on camera I think
there's something suspicious about her death I think there's something suspicious about the way she was found
she wouldn't have done that to herself right he I mean you could if you were gonna make a list of suspects he would
be suspect number two right well he's high up on the list and and even he even he is saying this is suspicious and one
right but one of the things that missing and that a lot of people are missing is okay if we take this drug
addicts word and he goes we haven't seen them since 6 p.m. well we need to look at those phone records cuz did she call
somebody and did she get did somebody pick her up and did she go to another party did she go somewhere else for I
mean let's just say that she left at 6 p.m. like they said and and she didn't return the her body didn't return till 6
o'clock in the morning that that that's a 12 hour gap hmm where's she at and who's she with you know and like you
said the guy that owns the property which he is he would be your number one suspect or net number two if we're gonna
make if you're gonna make a list he's number two's number two and the number two suspect is saying that this looks
fishy yeah this is suspicious right this is she it doesn't look like she would have done that to herself and then let
me add this in here when we talk about the the witness statements Garlan heart okay when he was walking into court on
that domestic violence charge he gives first-hand information on camera he says I loved Jessica anybody
that knows me would know I could never do that to her anybody that's accused me of that when
they see that it had nothing to do with me as I've been cleared already I don't he hasn't been cleared because there's
been no murder investigation so we can't believe that statement that he's been cleared but he's clear he did say
everybody's cleared he did say this and this is backed up by fact he said I willingly went down there myself meaning
the police department because she was my best friend he goes on to say I don't expect an apology because it would anger
me the family the Johnson family have to have somebody to blame I understand that
I'll be that dude but I will never apologize for something I didn't do especially to somebody that I loved but
listen to this this he also added but yes I do feel like something happened to her because I
don't think she would have done that to herself my god man yeah so the latest list of suspects the number-two suspect
if you hold your hold your [ __ ] horses for a second because the number one guy that you would consider to be
the likely killer number one and number two both of them are saying this is suspicious pee and poop pee and poop
number one and number two are coming forward and saying this [ __ ] is suspicious
now what's what's weird though and what's fishy that goes back to you know because when I first read those comments
that they stated I'm like well maybe they're not guilty of anything because they're called they're they're calling
into question why this wasn't investigated yeah but at the same time the homeowner Jesse Isaac's giving those
weird ever-changing answers for why he cannot produce the surveillance footage right if he like you said if he truly
felt that something terrible happened to his friend or somebody that he knew that
he was not guilty of why does that answer change I'm not blaming him I'm not saying that he's guilty of something
because he doesn't have camera footage to show us what I'm saying is that he should have a definitive answer not for
different answers for why he can't produce that footage yeah but maybe peepee and poopoo are actually geniuses
right and this is what I mean by that they go criminal geniuses they go well we killed her what are we going to do
with her well us let's hang our up on the mailbox and make it look like a suicide why
would we do that we're gonna leave her on the property that doesn't make any goddamn sense
that's why it makes so much sense it all baffles people's mind and then when they
rule it a suicide we're going to be the number one suspects if it's not a suicide and we're going to be the ones
that come out and say we think this is kind of fishy mmm genius well in the deal I don't
think that's what happened though no but here's what I when I am willing to put stamp on is that this was a suspicious
death should have been treated as such right from the get-go which would have opened up the investigation to all you
know and opened up people to questions that weren't asked opened up pieces of the investigation that would fill in the
gaps on that timeline that might produce some kind of camera footage that could have produced any number of pieces of
evidence to show us what actually did occur that night what actually did happen to this poor young woman and
because it was not looked at that way because of what I'm going to flat-out call look I I wasn't there okay
obviously I wasn't there so saying you're not a suspect no no no no what I'm saying is that I can't say 110
percent this is exactly the way it went down what I can say is from what we can view what we can find all the articles
all the information statements by friends family statements by people that you might even consider a suspect what I
can say is that this appears to me that for no other better reason than a lack of effort on the behalf of the police
department this was not investigated they did not do their jobs they didn't do their jobs that day it was just total
laziness complete laziness that led us to not knowing what happened to this poor young woman and I will had they
actually treated it for what it is a suspicious death again that would have opened up investigation what that would
have what they would have found shortly into that investigation is that money is
believed to have been missing from her person and I don't know who the best suspects would be if if she were to have
been killed by someone but at the top of my list would be well let's figure out where that
money went first or why she doesn't have that money with her and let's start there you'll see where the trail leads
us I'm gonna do you one better yes I think followed the money but get the information on the cell phone because
we're gonna find out real quickly if they're telling the truth that they didn't see her after 6:00 p.m. mm-hmm
because if you show up just to a house and you're supposed to be hanging out with people and there's rumors that your
boyfriend is with some other women and she was like I'm gonna get out of here who did she call she's hanging out with
shady people she's doing drug deals she is she has connections who did she call and the guys that see her she was
hanging out with peepee and poopoo they're their bags of turds but but they might not be guilty of
right but they're not her that might not be murder drug users and and so did the
people that she contacted if she did and she left that property are they even worse did she get herself into a worse
situation and and this should have been investigated and sad it was it well and you you you have to wonder - is is
statements by Garland and Jesse pointing out that it's a they believe it to be suspicious but kind of just leaving it
at that is that indications that they may be who they suspect they might be afraid of right without you know without
throwing more because when I see this picture what what it says to me it doesn't look like a suicide it doesn't
look like doesn't feel that way no and it doesn't look like an accidental death that was was staged what it looks like
to me is this something just like the homeowner said something happened elsewhere and then later she was placed
there in this manner as some kind of statement or threat to others this looks and screams to me like a vlad the
impaler type situation and again you're right the phone would have been their first
angle to go with such a simple simplistic idea check the phone if you can trace her movements see who
she was talking to and here's another thing - if you could have really nailed that time of death if you could have
closed the window and shorten the length of time of the possible time of death if
they could prove that she died before 329 a.m. well then we got a murder here my friends because what that means at
the very least is that text that was sent to her son at 329 a.m. did not come from her did not come from her and that
means this was a murder [Music] I do want to take a second to applaud Jessica's family for keeping this in the
media and for trying to get people to talk about it and I know that some of the things that their daughter was into
they weren't super proud of I'm sure Jessica wasn't super proud of those things as well but those things have to
be talked about in order to try to get closer to the truth I want to applaud them for keeping the story in the media
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Brief Summary

Jessica Johnson's death raises questions of murder versus suicide, with key evidence and witness statements discussed in detail.

Key points

The Mysterious Death of Jessica Johnson. Jessica Johnson was found dead in 2017, tied to a mailbox post. Was it suicide or murder?
The Controversial Photograph. A famous photograph may hold the key to understanding Jessica's death. What does it reveal?
Bruises and Marks. The presence of bruises and scabby marks on Jessica's arm raises concerns about her last moments.
Conflicting Accounts. Witnesses provide conflicting statements about the number of people present before Jessica's death.
Jesse's Statement. Jesse claims Jessica's body appeared out of nowhere, raising further suspicions.
Suspicious Death Investigation. The investigation into Jessica's death raises many questions about the circumstances surrounding it.

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Discussion about the photograph related to the case.

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