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let's talk some true [Music] crime Brian Randall schaer grew up in Pickerington Ohio a suburb of Columbus
he is the oldest of Randy and Renee schaer's two sons Brian graduated from high school in
1997 and went on to attend the Ohio State University 6 years later he graduated with a degree in
microbiology in 2004 he began studies at Ohio State's College of Medicine during his second year of studies in
March of 2006 his mother Renee sadly passed away due to cancer Brian's friends say that although
he appeared to be handling it fairly well her death was very hard for him but Brian had a lot of friends to
help and support him he also became romantically involved with a fellow second-year medical student Alexis
Wagner she along with their families and friends believed that Brian would probably be proposing to her most likely
on a trip to Miami the couple planned for the beginning of April on February March 31st classes at
Ohio State ended for spring break the next week Brian and his father Randy schaer celebrated the occasion by going
out for a steak dinner that evening Randy noted that Brian seemed exhausted from his studies and cramming for some
important exams at 900 p.m. Brian met his friend Clint Florence at the Ugly Tuna saluna a
bar in the South Campus Gateway complex on High Street an hour later Brian called his
girlfriend Alexis she was away returning to her hometown in Toledo about a 2 and
1/2 hour drive from Brian's location to visit with her family before she and Brian were due to depart from
Miami from there Brian and Clint went bar hopping visiting several other drinking establishments and working
their way down to the arena district at each stop the two had one shot each according to
Clint after midnight the two met Clint's friend Meredith Reed in the Short North
she gave them a ride back to the Ugly Tuna saluna and the three of them went into the bar for one last round of
drinks at some point Brian separated from his friends saying he was going to go talk to the
band as closing time was approaching Clint and Meredith say they were looking for Brian and calling him
repeatedly unable to find him they left the bar with the other patrons when the bar closed at 2:
a.m. then they waited outside for Brian but never saw him they assumed he had gone back to his apartment without
letting them know Brian's girlfriend Alexis and his father Randy Schaefer both tried to call
Brian later that weekend but he did not answer on the morning of Monday April 3rd Brian missed the flight to Miami
that he and Alexis had scheduled long before at that time 27-year-old Brian schaer was reported missing to the
Columbus Police [Music] Department the investigation LED police back to the Ugly Tuna bar where Brian
was last seen the South Campus Gateway bar had security cameras detectives reviewed the footage which showed Brian
Clint and Meredith going up an escalator to the bar's main entrance at one 15 a.m. then Brian could be seen again this
time outside of the bar around 1:55 a.m. talking briefly with two young women the
two women leave and then Brian is seen moving off camera in the direction of the bar apparently to
re-enter later Clint told police that he had seen Brian after he returned inside
the bar and they were planning to leave but he lost track of him however what investigators could not
find on the security camera footage was Brian leaving the bar when the Ugly Tuna
closed to add to the mystery back at Brian's apartment on King Avenue just six blocks away from the Ugly Tuna his
car was found still parked outside inside the apartment nothing seemed out of place and nothing appeared to be
missing Flyers of Brian's picture showing a stick figure tattoo on his upper right
arm were distributed and the Columbus Police Department was asking the public for their help the stick figure tattoo
is from the cover artwork for the song Alive by Pearl Jam brokenhearted Alexis called Brian's
cell phone every evening before going to bed for for a long time after The Disappearance usually it went directly
to voicemail but one night in September it actually rang three times a ping from the phone was detected
at a cell tower in Hillyard just 14 miles Northwest of Columbus singular Brian's wireless provider said what
Alexis heard may have been due to a computer glitch in September of 200 8 during a
heavy wind storm in central Ohio Brian's father Randy schaer was out in his yard
clearing debris a branch broke off from a nearby tree and fatally struck him neighbors
found his body the next morning and called police after ry's obituary ran online a
condolence book was posted one of the signatures posted read to Dad love Brian US Virgin
Islands this suggested Brian might have left Columbus for a new life elsewhere however upon further
investigation the note was found to have been posted from a computer accessible to the public in the greater Central
Ohio area and it was determined to be a [Music] hoax Brian schaer has been missing since
April 1st of 2006 he is Caucasian 62 in tall with light brown hair and hazel eyes at the time of his disappearance he
was approximately 165 to 170 lb he was wearing jeans a short sleeve polo shirt over a white long sleeve shirt white
Adidas sneakers and a yellow yellow cancer awareness bracelet Brian was 27 years old at the
time of his disappearance in 200 2006 but recently would have celebrated his 40th
birthday authorities do not believe Brian left of his own accord but it is unclear what caused his disappearance if
you have any information concerning this case please contact the Columbus Police
Department at 8776 45 8477 if you do not wish to speak to the police you can submit your tip to the
central Ohio Crim Stoppers at stop.org or call them at 614 461 [Music] 8477 [Music]
back in 2016 we covered the missing person's case of Brian shaer and it has since
become one of our red light cases one of our favorite missing persons cases that
has intrigued us and the listeners throughout the years joining us today in the garage we're so happy to see you
guys longtime friends of the show Tim and Lance from crawl space from missing Mar Murray from how many podcast you
guys have like 10 now all of them except this one okay and I actually I just heard that they bought half of our show
oo but the sale is currently in the works so by the by the time this episode's over my half you bought my
half yeah well welcome to the garage guys thank you very much this is beautiful yeah thanks for having us it's
a lot more cozy than I anticipated it's it's very nice here could you tell us a little bit about your projects uh first
with the crawl space and then missing Mara Murray sure I'm Tim and uh we we cover a lot of uh missing person cases
we cover some uh murder cases we kind of bounce around a little bit on crawl space but we will uh do kind of
comprehensive looks into certain cases like Brianna maitlin for one and we also do missing MOA Murray that is uh 98
episodes uh deep at the current moment on the missing Mora and with crawl space we try to speak
with people who are like-minded in in this genre so criminal psychologists investigative journalists other
podcasters whether uh it's you know True Crime podcasters or maybe somebody that
has a connection to it um and so yeah we we try to be sort of a little bit more all-encompassing with crawl space uh
there's also empty frames which season one was about the Isabella Stewart Garder Museum heist in Boston which is
probably the most significant art heist in history at least in America and we moved on from
season one to season two we started covering other art heists other art crimes other significant moments in in
art history because we didn't realize how much we really liked it when we were when we were doing empty frames and we
made a bunch of connections and these people would email us uh stories say well did you know about this one did you
know about this did you know that this is a fake and they thought it was real so it really uh it really kind of piqued
our interest so regarding the missing persons case of Brian schaer I liken you guys to missing persons experts 90 some
episodes of missing Mara Murray captain and I have been longtime listeners of that show thank you do you guys remember
the first time you heard about the schaer case I think it was from you guys actually a couple years ago I remembered
seeing the a video of it and I don't even know where I saw the surveillance video and then yes
I made the connection after hearing you guys cover the case and then I realized oh that video that I saw that guy who
left the bar and he was sort of on the edge of the frame of the surveillance video oh that's that guy and I can't
remember when that video was released or where I saw it but that that was the first time and it was I maybe it was
like five or six years ago there was like a 9 Minute segment on a national show years ago yeah on the case um any
of your anything that jumps off the page to you guys immediately any red flags just from your initial reaction when you
first learned about this missing person's case because all these cases that that you guys discuss on your show
that we discuss on our show they're all unique in their own way they all have their wise and hows and and what ifs
that that you go into but any First Reactions that you remember having or first thoughts regarding this case
confusion and uh it's this is really really got to be one of the most perplexing missing person cases that
I've ever looked into because the other cases that we cover like Mora Murray brand Matlin and we're
dipping our toe into Brandon Lawson a little bit I feel like they have outcomes that are a little more Gras
grabbable graspable this one is just uh I don't know I mean I've been batting around ideas in my head and it's very
confusing one thing that is really confusing to me is that like Tim said we we cover morea Murray Briana Matlin uh
Brandon Lawson so you have a single person in a single incident not surrounded by anybody else uh that that
is in the immediate vicinity you know there might be a house or two here or there but with with Brian Schaefer he's
in a bar that's very busy and there's a lot of people and he he leaves and you have security footage of him leaving and
going back in one time and then there's there's no security footage of his actual exit that
was you know led to his disappearance so all of these things and he talked to the
band you know all of these things were like well this person doesn't really seem like they
intended to disappear mhm did he slip and get into an accident and there's no real circumstance in his life that you
can absolutely pinpoint and say well this is why he's he's leaving like there's nothing in his life that is any
different from things things that have happened in my life or other people's lives right they haven't disappeared
well I also think with missing person cases in general that when we don't have pieces of evidence or we don't know what
the story is we tend to start making it up and so what's weird with the Brian Schaefer case is you have to prove there
is no evidence that he left the bar you see what I'm saying so it's like there's a lot of times where it's like
you can go well maybe he went back to his apartment maybe he went to somebody else's house but you can't there's no
evidence of him actually leaving the bar safely that night well and what's really
truly at the center of this case and I think it's why it became such a internet sensation you know is the whole
surveillance footage of Brian going into the bar then we see him come out briefly
speak with some young ladies and then it appears that he's re-entering the bar and I think that the whole thing of
having no footage and as the captain pointed out no proof that he ever left that bar or that building is really the
the thing that jumps off the page right away that's I think that the quick leap that everybody wants to do and it's just
natural is you have less questions about Brian who he is what was going on in his
life right less questions about who he was with that night or as you said you know he's in a public place surrounded
by a whole bunch of people shortly before we no longer know where he is and I think that the natural reaction and
the natural leap is to go I have a lot of questions about this bar I have a lot of questions about this building I have
a lot of questions about this area which I think is unique to this case yeah but
what it makes it makes it even more unique because this structure was a newer build so it wasn't like some bar
that people have been in their whole life so even talks around Town people would go oh yeah he went missing from
the Ugly Tuna have you been there I've never been there does that make any sense yeah that that makes a lot of
sense because you want to somehow identify with it it's just it's another piece of the mystery that you
have to put together in your head and you have to start there and you have to right you have to start there a general
description of this building and bar Captain let's try to go through that for for everybody so the the bar itself
is inside of a a building second floor second floor it shares the building with some other
businesses it's a lot of things have changed with that building throughout the years um obviously this case is now
13 years old but um so the bar is on the second floor there's basically one entrance to and from the bar we'll call
that the main entrance to and from the bar that goes from the bar to the building to the second floor of the
building and then you take the escalator up and down to get to the main entrance
of the building right so let's just go you you walk through there's a big parking garage you park there normally
you walk through a courtyard you get to the Ugly Tuna you go through the main doors you have to go up the escalator
then there's a little Landing platform and then to the right is the entrance to the the bar once you're in the bar it's
basically a square and then there's little patio space outside but it's it's a cool patio because you're on the
second floor so you can kind of look down onto the courtyard and look down onto High Street which is the main
street of the campus but what law enforcement tells us is well we have footage of the escalators and we and
what they claim is there is no record of Brian Le that escalator that night the other back way out which would be for
the band which would be for service workers of the bar and possibly somebody that was in the bar a customer that left
the wrong way we know through conversations with the band and some of the people that
work there even security that that door the exit door didn't have a camera on it but what it did have was there was
a long hallway to get to that exit and that had a camera on it and they claim that there is no sign of Brian shaer
going down that hallway and that's a straight hallway well I've never been in that hallway it's basically again you're
on the second floor so it's a hallway that's going to lead you to a possible elevator or stairways right so but we
just know that if you take the bar which is basically a square that once you leave that front door it'd be kind of
hard not to be seen by that escalator and then the back exit there's a hallway that that is
monitored by a camera and they claim now they never released that footage now I have never heard the lead detective uh
Hurst actually talk about the back hallway it was a a secondary detective I believe detective Edwards he's pretty
clear that we don't see Brian on that video at all yeah because if they did see him what what do you think the law
enforcement's response would be to the public that he left the bar that right so they you think and I I agree right
like you think that law enforcement would give a an an official statement saying we did see him exiting through
the through the service um door yeah definitely yeah but but let's be a little more clear too because when you
go hey this guy never left the bar and we haven't seen him so did he die in the bar was there a was there foul play
inside the bar and there is no evidence of that right the bar was super Cooperative with the police I believe
they actually shut down for a couple days and and let them search everywhere and so there's no sign of struggle no
sign of Foul Play inside the bar so it's it's almost like poof he he vanished Into Thin Air absolutely and to put it
in its simplest form when we say he he never left the the building he never left the bar we have no proof that he
left law enforcement took that a step further we're we not only is there footage of everyone entering the bar
going up the escalator they went back and they they accounted for every person that they could see going in and every
person they could see going out Brian being the only one that that they never could locate could never speak to they
spoke to everybody that was there that night so much so that there was an individual that they were calling orange
sweatshirt guy or orange sweater guy right for a while and that's because there was an individual that came into
the up the escalator they had him on footage and then all of a sudden there's later when they Clos there's this
mysterious individual that they didn't see come into the bar and they could identify that this individual was
wearing an orange sweater or sweatshirt it took a while but they tracked down that guy and he had what everybody would
it's a believable story I went into the bar wearing this outfit and I brought my
sweatshirt with me I got cold I put it on and left with it on that's why I looked different may have appeared to be
a different person on surveillance footage so all these people were accounted for now there are obviously a
lot of theories out there regarding this disappearance of Brian Schaefer but one
of the more dominant theories well some of the more dominant theories are did someone murder Brian did he kill him
self is he still alive you know did did the death of his mother just 3 weeks before The Disappearance and the stress
of medical school caused him to run away from his life for the longest time I thought somehow he got out of the bar
even though we don't see him made it down the stairs and left the building this obviously would be difficult with
the cameras but if he did and this is what I've always kind of thought and I believe this was my theory
when we first covered it was that this was simply a robbery that went bad his apartment was six blocks away it's quite
conceivable being drunk and missing his ride after the bar closes that he would just walk home well let's go through
that for a second too so Brian goes up the escalator he's with his friend Meredith and Clint two friends that he's
been out drinking with all night and he's pretty flirty with some women at the Ugly Tuna at some point they're
going hey Brian we got to go and he goes I'm GNA go talk to the band They then say we they didn't see
him maybe he went to the bathroom they I believe they claim that they checked the
bathroom and they also called Brian I think several times to let him know hey we're leaving and plus the bar is
closing so they don't hear from him so they take off we we have them on footage leaving the parking
garage I do want to point out something real quick here too on that note Captain
regarding them saying his friends Meredith and Clint saying well we checked the restrooms we're looking for
our friend right the layout of the bar is such that the restrooms there's a very little
hallway I mean it's like two steps into this hallway and you very quickly can enter the women's restroom or the men's
restroom that little hallway containing the restrooms is very close to the main entrance of the bar
so it's not like they went to the other side of the checked the restrooms and he
could have slipped out the front door without them the friends seeing them they would have been in a prime position
had he been either using the restroom in the restroom or or attempting to leave but also this bar is such a square that
if you walk into the front entrance and there's a little bit of a a Nook that you have to get into the bar but once
you're actually into the bar you can pretty much see the whole layout of the bar so if your friend was way over in
the corner you could see him so very strange and then for the longest time we didn't know what the name of the
band was and luckily with um uh a new let's say investigator on the case Nicholas West he was able to come out
and say hey we we know the name of the band and the band is called Rock house and we were able to actually talk with
all three individuals and they didn't have anything spectacular to say cuz they don't
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2023 so Brian wanted to talk to the band at like 155 or something that's what um
I've read and the bark closes at 2 so so around5 is he is last scene going to talk to the band and you just said that
the band has no recollection of speaking to him and the bar closes at 2 there's a
bunch of people that are now exiting we've all been in bars where it's the end of the night the lights go on and
the bouncers go through and the staff goes through and they're like all right everybody out right
so no one sees him from after 155 and no one sees him after two to when the entire bar is uh evacuated not evacuated
but cleared I and here's the thing is I I'd actually argue so let's just go through a little
bit of what the guitar player told me okay and I actually played with this guy uh in a band for I want to say at least
five years this guy was very meticulous on how he loaded in his gear how he unloaded his gear he was the utmost
professional and I learned so I mean 10 years older than me but I it's like you play a gig
with him and you go oh that's how it's done and the guy would get to the gig pull up his car to whatever the the
entrance was unload his stuff and at the end of the night whether he took his guitar out to the car first or his
guitar amp out to the car first he almost did it the same way every time you played with him it was like and he
so I said hey what do you know about that night he goes well I know I was there I know I don't remember much but
they did have a handful of friends that came out to party with them because it was around Springtime and everybody's
like hey let's go check out rock house and I believe it was like maybe the second time they ever played
there they had to go through this back way which there was no camera on and he remembered that there was no camera on
the back because people just ask him over and over hey you were there the night Brian Schaefer went missing was
there a camera on the back door he's like no there wasn't but they have the the band on
footage going down that hallway or that's what the detectives claim so he says they're talking he do doesn't
remember talking to a guy he also is the type of guy that wouldn't give a guy much of time to talk like oh you want to
talk about guitar I don't really care so he loaded up his stuff he remember having an explorer at the time and as
he's loading up the Explorer his buddies not like customers left the same way he
left and they were all around his car and he also States there's three guys in the band they left the same way all of
our buddies left the same way and people that worked in the bar left that way so
there was a herd of people that left through that back entrance and I wonder if that's where the detectives are are
missing something they have to be missing something when they say that everybody was accounted for that's not
accurate they can't that can't be possible because I don't think that's true if Brian got out of the bar it's
true right if well if well how would he get out of the bar without being seen on
either one of those cameras I don't know right so if he didn't get out of the bar
and he didn't crawl up into the ceiling tiles yeah I was going to ask about the roof I mean I like uh hearkens to Alisa
lamb a little bit but was there uh obviously surges of the roof and things like that I'm sure that's interesting
cuz I don't think we've ever gotten into that type of discussion actually with anybody and I've talked about this case
a thousand times what about the restroom is there a window because now you're saying the roof okay so no window so how
would he get to the roof so regarding the band situation the the the stage itself is
like you know it's not like separated from the crowd anyone can just walk right up up to this little stage and
talk to the band at any time the the two times that I have been there it's not uncommon for people in the crowd to be
handing people on stage drinks so there is a lot of little interaction so it's not unheard of that Brian very well
could have spoke to anyone in the band maybe everyone in the band and they not recall him because he's just another guy
at the bar just another 20-some that they talked to 50 different people that look like him that night well and we and
we're all dudes I mean let's be honest if you're playing guitar and there's a bunch of girls there to talk to you are
you going to take the time out to talk to them or some dude you never met but it's also the type of bar that they the
management did not you know frown upon the the band getting nice and toasted while they were there as well so uh
there is one little there is an interesting thing that I that I've recently heard on this case is there was
another exit from the bar and that was a fire exit now so this would be one that
is clearly marked that says you know if you open this door the alarm will sound okay um you know so you it's not really
a public entrance or exit the interesting I thing that I heard recently and I I have no way of
verifying this but someone that was there that night someone that that spoke with Brian and this would be one of the
women that were outside that we see him on surveillance footage at 155 go outside and talk to right just outside
of the bar still inside the building she has said that it was somewhat common knowledge to the
regulars of the Ugly Tuna that that you could open that fire exit without any alarm actually
sounding well and let me stop you there it it doesn't have to be common for regulars it like brought ran wasn't
really a regular there but all he had to do is see somebody do it once that night
and then he was like or be so drunk he ignored the sign right true um and and and right it it's I from what I've been
told that fire exit will lead into what is the construction what would have been the
construction area at that time is that behind the building so Captain helped me out with
that that would have I I thought about like I said it's a new newer build so a lot of people talked about that there
was construction happening some of the uh restaurants in the building weren't complete yet some of the stores weren't
complete yet that speculation has uh kind of been thrown out the window recently claiming
that the stores for the most part were done there was some construction going on some light construction some
drywalling and stuff like that the major Construction was in the basement that there was I don't believe
that the stores were separated yet in the basement and I think they were trying to separate those to give them
possibly storage um now talking with the ban they said hey there was some construction but not
anything that you're going to like fall in a pit to your death and now this has been um put out
in the public l and people have been you put this out on the internet and a lot of people come
back going you know well you don't know for sure and cuz that's one of the big things on the Internet is that
he fell into a hole and got drywalled over or fell into a hole and they put cement on him or he he fell somewhere
and accidentally died and the construction company buried him inside the building and to cover it up this is
interesting I'm looking at this on Google Earth the building and so the parking garage
has always been there correct and that's behind it and it's right on a corner so
the construction was in like the little Courtyard here on the side so it looks like you can walk through a courtyard
where they probably have tables right it doesn't I what I'm saying is I don't see
an area where a construction site would be so big and and sort of treacherous dangerous yeah there were no yeah there
were no like like big holes there were there was nothing that he could have fallen into or anything like that I mean
I it's hard to believe no matter how drunk he is it's hard to believe he could impale himself or somehow
accidentally kill himself while walking through that and then all of a sudden what happens some the next person who
saw him just took him well and we're talking about search sites that once they you know a couple days after he
goes missing we have hundreds of people in that area in that bar searching so I don't think it's that
farfetched that the guy could have had an accident and and hurt himself I don't think it's that farfetched but what's
farfetched is the building's not huge I mean and if you have hundreds of people searching for him they're going to
they're going to come across uh an injured Brian schaer so right so yeah it's not far-fetched for someone to get
into an accident hit their head to get hurt I mean even if he fell and hit his head the the wrong way and and it kills
him so then what happened to his body where who who saw that I I have a hard time believing that a management group
of a bar while it would look very bad would suddenly turn to cover cover this body up let's dispose of it I I find it
really hard that normal people would go so far left of center and and deviate off of the regular way of thinking and
not have one person say guys we should just call the cops and and we'll we'll work this out I mean there might be a
lawsuit but we'll figure this out they weren't going to be culpable for his death you know I don't I mean if they
were or weren't I mean you normal people have that conversation right I mean I guess legally there's maybe an argument
but it's like in that scenario it's not like whoever approached him or found him
killed him so why would yeah it it's really hard to wrap your head around the idea that someone came across a uh
deceased Brian Schaefer and like did something with his body called a friend you know went to bury him or one
person's not doing that now and and two makes it more unlikely too because then you have two people involved two right
two or more that's why I've always wanted you guys to look into this case because it's funny to me that somebody
could look into a case like this and then make the leap that these construction workers that we don't know
who they are we make the leap that they came across a guy that had an accident and he's dead and they covered it up or
there is some thought that they constructed over him on accident that they didn't see him but as we just
discussed this isn't an area where we're talking about huge pits and and you know
deep crevices or anything like that that or that it wasn't checked right and and
the other thing too that we should keep in mind and I I understand that you know
everybody has their own work schedule but he's last scene at 155 is he he entered you know they out
partying on a Friday night so now this is very early Saturday morning he's missing legitimately missing by per law
enforcement by Monday morning so if if if nobody was working on that construction on Saturday Sunday the law
enforcement was back in that building I would say what by noon at the latest right I mean that was the first place
they they I mean they made make a couple phone calls and then they go straight to
that building to look for this individual on Monday on Monday so it seems unlikely too that that he would be
overlooked and accidentally constructed over yeah and also cadav dogs were brought to the scene and they didn't hit
on anything right from my understanding so that would tell you that that he probably wasn't constructed over so
regarding that uh jumping back to that fire exit that led to the the construction area and there was an exit
you could walk through the constru construction area and exit the building and the detective's exact words are that
would be a difficult area to walk through sober but the word I think people make the giant leap when they
hear somebody say that difficult doesn't mean like you right that it's a death life or death situation battle
conditions you know it's it could just be you could trip and fall you know or it could be difficult to navigate your
way but the thing is even though someone could go out that door now what I've been told and what I've heard through
interviews with the detectives involved in this case is there was no and I found
this to be strange there was no camera on that door that you could access from the fire exit through the construction
area however what law enforcement has said on the record that they did was they went to surrounding to neighboring
buildings and businesses that would have had surveillance in the area and they could determine through that that they
they have no reason to believe that he left through that door so that was actually one of my questions the
police looked at all the footage from surveillance cameras CCTV that were available at the time that were
available in the neighborhood in both directions and found nothing right he's on the roof he's got to be on the roof I
mean where does this person go how how in the world does this person unless he changed and put on um a like a scarf
around his face or something he a hoodie something well but cite one particular specific incident where there were I
believe there was a scent that the dogs hit on and it was in the direction of the Wendy's restaurant which I I don't I
don't know the particulars of where that would have been I think it might be across the street right but was that a
dog that was tracking Brian's scent or was that a cadaver dog they the law enforcement later told his father Randy
that it was probably just a a fluky thing that they don't think that the dog was actually hitting on something
regarding Brian that it might have been hitting on just right and the reason why he was
able to tell Randy that is I do do know that they did review footage from the Wendy's uh restaurant mhm so and again
found nothing to give anyone reason to believe that he walked in that direction and Columbus Ohio has a lot of uh
surveillance cameras from what I understand as well so he would have been picked up at some point on camera when
he was walking home right I don't know how far they went into that yeah uh or some of these
stores at that time because the campus was kind of going through a they were revamping it so they're they're making
it a little bit nicer a little more College friendly renovating a little more friendly for everyone actually it
was not so friendly of a place at 3:00 in the morning on a Saturday right uh you dangerous in the '90s you know yeah
but if you look at it now you'd be like wow I would walk anywhere at 4:00 in the
morning down there so regarding where his apartment is in relationship to the Ugly Tuna saluna
bar it's my belief that once he got off the main strip there he's six blocks away down King Avenue and the the
business is there's not many on King Avenue there's a big church there's a whole bunch of like uh
apartments and these are this is kind of an old area an old Street old buildings old
apartments it's my belief and I'm I'm very firm on this is that once he got off that main strip I don't think there
would have been any surveillance right or or or much to pick him up or anyone one one thing I I can't get out of my
head is um you know when you're in a bar when you're in a location or anywhere you know you're often being videotaped
and you don't know you don't you don't know it you're not aware of it and furthermore you don't know where you are
on the frame so if you're trying to hide from a surveillance camera that you don't know what the frame is how are you
going to do that seems impossible right well and like I was saying before we law
enforcement released the footage of the escalator and I believe at some point right after he went missing there was a
website I believe they would send you to and it was like an hourong footage it was
basically 15 minutes before the bar closed to an hour later and I remember watching the whole hour or whatever was
released to to the public now it's just like a couple short clips you see the clip of him going up the escalator you
see him talking to the two girls just outside the bar and then you see him uh you see some people leaving the bar but
you don't see Brian obviously but they've never released that back hallway footage and I just wonder I'd really
like for them to release both of the footages because I think now with people with trained eyes or this arm Shar
detectives how many people could sit there at their work instead of being on Facebook and go through this footage and
maybe pick up on something that they didn't see yeah it's a great point but I think if they were to release those uh
those videos then you would have people uh photograph like the band members for example so you'd have to blur their
faces out and then if you put out a a video with people's faces being blurred out the people the armchair detectives
are going to be like how do we know that's not Brian right well why would you blur out somebody's face why
wouldn't you if you're a law enforcement that's what they do you don't want you don't want uh
regulars you know approaching these people and saying I you I know what you did or what yeah that's true that's true
well and I'm going to give a couple uh statements that are going to contradict themselves but regarding that back
hallway footage let's call it that okay this back hallway they say they've seen the footage they saw the band they saw
other individuals leave through this area I I've Got to Believe that there there is no reason I don't find anything
weird about them not releasing it I what what I think we would have here is if they had reason to believe or any type
of actual evidence that they believe that he left the bar alone or left with someone that would be the statement that
that would be the statement that would because you need the Public's help you need someone to you need the public to
get off this idea of the building in the bar and go okay well did I see something
on the street that night at least the general direction we saw him walking towards this street it's only weird in
this situation because we have this mystery about someone Vanishing Into Thin Air never leaving a bar every other
case where you have a scenario that's exactly the same but there's evidence or something to suggest that they did leave
their location be it alone or with other people what is the statement law enforcement always gives we you this
individual is missing last scene leaving the bar alone last scene leaving the bar
with other individuals we would not only like information regarding this missing
person but we also want to know who these individuals are that were this person was seen leaving with MH and so
that would be there there's no reason for them not to release that type of statement so I I think that we can
firmly say that there is nothing to indicate to the investigators that are closest to this case
that that they have proof that he left the bar now here's where I go to the other end of this and kind of contradict
this I think that they while they don't have any proof that he left the bar I think that all of the investigators all
the detectives that worked this case the longest I think and they've not they've
not been on record to say this I think they all believe that he left the bar and these are seasoned Detectives
are SM individuals and the reason why I say that because we've had at least one of the detectives that you know ever
since that case anytime I'm in a large crowded area I'm looking for Brian's face well if you didn't if he didn't
believe that he left the bar he's not looking for Brian's face in you know in the crowd and police don't often speak
metaphorically right he's not saying you know his face haunts me right well yeah
missing person cases can mess with you in that way though for sure and make you think uh irrational things but I do I do
kind of agree that uh and I I I can see why law enforcement would believe that he is out there somewhere because he's
not in the bar mhm now would he pardon me for mispronouncing this is it the ol olangi olangi would he be Crossing that
River the ol and Tangi River on his way home I don't I don't believe so I don't think so
not the route from not the most direct route from the bar to his house water's not that far from the bar but he
wouldn't be Crossing some Bridge because that's the other speculation too is that
you know guys stopped to take a pissa and uh fell into the into the river and got and got swept
away yeah not a trace of him yeah but yeah but Brian would have to actually go out of his way to hit any body of
unless he was but that's the thing though too is if he gets out of the bar so let's put that to rest there where's
no there's no sign of struggle there's no sign of Foul Play when I have talked to security guards myself they've
said that whole idea that somebody couldn't get out of that complex or that bar without being seen on video footage
is absolutely nonsense that's what security has stated mhm that's obvious viously not what the detectives in this
case have stated it's not incredibly easy but it's not impossible that's what they're saying but but when you I used
to play at a bar across the courtyard and I talked to a lot of the security guards and a couple of them said look I
bet every weekend there is multiple people that leave that complex without being seen on on footage uh like a
clearcut oh I know that's so and so that left the bar so there goes the colonel um so that's coming from security guards
and then coming from the ban they're convinced that when they left that there was customers that there was their
friends there was people that worked at the bar when your buddy tells you a guy that you know really well it wouldn't
surprise me if if Brian was in that group of people when we left what about the parking garage his friends Clint and
Meredith yeah and camera footage from those too from the parking garage yeah from Clinton Meredith yes okay okay so
there's camera footage of them walking back to their car well Captain clear that up for me CU i' I've heard the same
thing too that there is camera footage in that parking garage which which makes sense this is a even to this day now
being 13 14 year old parking garage is still very well lit it's it looks brand new today right it's it's bright as all
get out like you you can't there's not a dark corner in that uh parking garage but regarding the footage do you know if
that's just footage of incoming and outgoing cars and vehicles or is it footage of people I think you can see
some people walking because what they did know and what it there's a video somewhere I think it was like I said or
like you were saying earlier this was covered for like 9 to 10 minutes on a DAT line or 9 to 10 minutes on a 2020 or
something and at some point they have a investigator walking from the parking garage and we know that they walked
through these two pillars and then they walked out the door to the the double door to the courtyard and then they went
up the escalator so if you know that they went through these two pillars you're seeing them on video
footage right and so there's a lot of times when I played that same area where I'd park on the same side try to walk
the same way that they did and and we know from uh because it's a it's a paid garage so Clint and Meredith had to have
an exit ticket mhm so they have evidence that Clint and Meredith left parked there right when when they said they
left right so here's here's a quick little rundown of the end of the night events as I understand them and now I'm
taking some pieces from people's stories and piecing them together to kind of make it a longer timeline that makes
sense to me according to Clint's statement is once Brian came back into the bar this is after talking to the two
girls just immediately outside the main entrance to the bar that he saw Brian enter the bar this is Clint's words on
the record we saw him enter the bar we lost track of him at some point and then before we knew it it was time to leave
so let's extend that on both sides a little bit so at some point I the way that I've envisioned this going down is
that Brian says to Clint and or Meredith I'm going to go talk to the band or keep
in mind this is a this would have been a loud crowded area we know there's a band
playing even if it's a break in music there's a lot of people talking and shouting he could have he could have
said I'm going to go talk to fill in the blank right it could have been anything
they could have misheard him what we do know happens is he does go outside it's fact he's seen on camera he goes outside
and he talks to two young ladies there is according to their words they exchange phone numbers I I I believe
they just gave him their numbers I believe is the way that this goes down they leave those two girls leave they
don't go back in the bar Brian is seen moving as such that you would believe that he's re-entering the bar
you can't physically see him walk through the doors then we have Clint's statement of we saw Brian re-enter the
bar lost track of him then it's last call it's time to go we're looking for him we check the restrooms then we go
outside with the rest of the patrons everybody else is ushered out through the doors now we're outside waiting
around Milling about looking for him waiting for him to appear from leaving the bar and at some point Meredith
starts calling Brian's cell phone and we do know this happen because of one phone
records and two somewhere you can hear a voicemail that she leaves and I think she says
something like it's just a real quick one you know where the hell are you you know it's something like that and this
seems all very the way you would think it would go down we've all been in this situation the only difference is none of
us ever went missing none of our friends ever went missing you know you you get separated and you call them you send a
text well let's let's stay on that point for a second since this is a round table
discussion have you ever been out with a group of friends that you you drove to that bar
with three people or however many people and you left without one of them dude I've been the guy who's who left I've
been the guy that left the group yeah I left all of them there for whateverit yes for what mostly because what did you
say that was Irish exit that's when you don't say goodby you just leave you're just a little drunk usually yeah yeah
and that's because you know if you stay you're going to get over that point of like too much drinking and and you know
your limit so you you you gracefully uh exit the situation you bow out you bow out now from there I would walk to the
train and take the public transportation back to my uh boom you're on camera and
I'm on camera yeah I'm also I'm also like clearly intoxicated and still aware like I can remember
doing this so I'm still aware of what I was doing because I left knowing that if
I had one more that would be too much yeah so it wasn't it wasn't like I was crazy
blackout drunk I knew that that that would be the case if I stayed well now more common for a male to do this yes or
this to be because I think sometimes when people look into this case they go I'd never leave my friend alone and I'd
argue yeah I if if a free if a female friend wanted to stay back and talk to the band I'm not leaving them but if my
buddy was like I'm going to go talk to the band I'd be like cool dude I'm out yeah sometimes sometimes you just lose
track you're doing your own thing yeah mhm and I think the other question the narrative was always Brian was going to
go on vacation starting Monday and he was possibly going to propose to his girlfriend and so the idea that he was
trying to hook up with anybody um I think initially was like taboo to say like because he's missing
we don't want to say there's evidence of him trying to hook up with other girls well there isn't you know he might have
gotten someone's number drunk but that's not hooking up with someone it might not
be cool but but we do have their statements saying that he was aggressively hitting on them okay and I
and I think that's you know again that that doesn't doesn't point to evidence that he was trying to have a one night
stand with anybody but he's also aggressively flirting with somebody that he didn't know and did he
have somebody else on the side did he have did Brian have an exgirlfriend that he called for hookups did anyone hear
about that well so there's some speculation lately that his high school girlfriend
um which was real close to him he grew up in Pickerington and she moved away for school and there was a lot of rumors
that been coming out lately that he had a on on again and off again hookup relationship with her so when she'd come
back into town they would hook up whether or not she had a boyfriend or whether or not he had a
girlfriend so but I as far as that night I don't think she was I don't even know if she
was in in town that night what about his mental psychological autopsy yeah what what's the mindset of somebody so in the
thick of medical school what's that person like outside of going out and having some shots and
and drinking with buddies this is a really driven guy correct yeah absolutely what he was in in uh College
University for six years at that point or seven years committed to being a doctor yeah but I I see I wonder to me
that's debatable whether he was committed to yeah okay just because there's there's very strong evidence for
both sides of that argument right here here's one thing that I found interesting uh is that he worked at JC
Penney at one point too oh yeah you were talking about that before I actually think he worked there for a a pretty
lengthy time and that's my point he worked there for I think four and a half to five years and so that shows
incredible commitment JC Penny no no I I ta guitar like I was telling you maybe 11 to 12
years I wouldn't count what does that mean no well you're saying that because he worked at a job for x amount of years
that he's driven I would say that that that point well no they're saying committed okay yeah I that's a
commitment I mean three or four years yeah because that's a pretty disposable job no to anyone who works at JC peny I
think but there's a lot of jobs exactly like that one exactly yeah so if it didn't work out for whatever reason or
he had to miss a shift and got fired or had to quit because of something awkward
got how many guys did you know roughly in their 20s that were dating somebody for 3 years and you wouldn't you you go
oh they're dating for three years they're committed but you know that they're not that committed to the
relationship all I'm saying is like just because you have a job for a long time it could have been one of the those jobs
where it's like it's really hard to get fired you can kind of do whatever you want all I'm saying is I think I mean I
think it's safe to assume that maybe he was committed but well I I think you have to because that's what that's all
we have to go off of is what the record shows and the record would show that he was an employee for x amount of years
not x amount of weeks or months so if we yeah but my argument is that we all know
somebody that's had the same job J for a very long time that you would not State
them as a committed employee to that employer okay I see your points yeah I think I think what what uh Tim is more
so talking about is committed to that the certain lifestyle that he has created and maintained right you know
he's a longtime student of the same University he's a longtime employee of the same employer and so regarding his
mental makeup up let's say the unfortunate horrible thing is his mother passes away like 3 weeks
before he goes missing and so he was very close to his mother there's no one to say anything different and no M even
if you're not close to a parent a parent it's a tragic thing yeah a lot of people
close in the circle call him a mama's boy and that's not a bad thing he really cared about his mom yeah what about his
financial situation was was he going to get an inheritance I guess so back to the the schooling thing real quick yeah
um but where I was going with that is there there are several people in his family that say he chose the medical
field as a way of making his parents proud uh it it was something that that was obvious that they would be extremely
proud of and he was very according to according to these individuals he was very driven to become
to work in the field of medicine a lot for his mother for that that that relationship be it whether she's around
or not now the the difficult thing about his mental makeup would be his father did kind of in my opinion skew The
Narrative a bit on Brian and this is not uncommon for parents or loved ones to Champion or romanticized their missing
or or or lost one but you know the narrative that he kind of put forward and fed to the public is Brian was uh
well on his way to graduating something that he had you know been working toward
for many years he was getting very good grades always has he was going to uh propose to his girlfriend probably on
this vacation right but let's dive into that those things right there yeah he never purchased a ring okay that
was my now and I understand you can you can't ask somebody to marry you without a ring that you can also purchase that
ring on the weekend it wasn't like there was there was a couple days left for him
to be able to purchase a ring right but there's there's but there's no evidence of him purchasing a ring to actually
there's all this evidence saying he never did right we don't know that he ever went and looked at anything or or
pursued that his grades he got if you if you talk to other family members and now
his father's passed away so we we we don't have him here to argue this but the other family members say he got okay
grades it wasn't like he he wasn't like you know you know Dean list Dean list yes
yeah he wasn't doie Hower there's a lot of accounts saying that a lot of accounts saying that he got excellent
grades right I think a lot of people would look at someone who's in medical school and wants to be a doctor they're
instantly like very very smart doyer well yeah but I think sometimes again it's a missing person so when you're
interviewed how was he as a student well he was he was excellent and the whole time they're going that guy was a [ __ ]
bag and showed up drunk all the time but I can't say that cuz he's missing but he's got a degree in microbiology like I
I got to be honest I couldn't do that I could wake up in the morning and get a degree I I can commit myself as hard as
I can and I don't think I'd be able to do it well after drinking with you last night I agree with you so you can see a
bit of the confusion regarding his lifestyle though where I I firmly believe that that Randy maybe even
unintentionally skewed The Narrative Randy the father yeah sorry thank you uh I think he kind of skewed The Narrative
whether he did that knowingly or not and and it might not mean anything at all but I think what it is is it's more ways
to suggest that something happened to my son that was beyond my son's control and
the the exact wording that police give when they're seeking information regarding Brian's whereabouts or what
could have happened to Brian is that they do not believe that he left on his of his own accord but their his
disappearance is mysterious it's unexplainable yeah suspicious disappearance right I'm on the uh I'm on
the old bing machine and it looks like a lot of new construction in the area so I'm wondering what there's even a on uh
on Earth here you can see a a construction site that has just been started and right across the street MH
right obviously that's a that's a new one that's not the one from when he went missing but there's a building here on
the corner that looks brand new does is this I don't know how familiar you are with it um this looks brand new but
there's a camera right there on top of the building that that shows the entire intersection which I think is
interesting but this I I would just be curious if this building existed back then I also wanted to just on the
surveillance topic real quick um I just wanted to mention that it a lot of bars had live streams back back uh 10 15
years ago on the internet and it actually looks like the Ugly Tuna saluna had a live stream so yeah but and what
makes this a little eerie and we talked a little bit about this last night is pretty much anything from that weekend
as far as promotion who the band was the calendar everything has been swiped away
yeah that's that's a law enforcement thing I think yeah see see that's that's interesting
because a lot of people think well that's shady on their part but law enforcement has said time and time again
this company has been very Cooperative to us and it's also a weird thing too because if he went
missing south of Columbus not by Ohio State campus this would stay on the internet and
information would stay on the internet longer but because it's connected to the university it gets buried in Google
searches like they try to hide some of this stuff who who who Who's they who's well is it is it intentional yes it's
the universities do it the university is trying to suppress some of the information that would be put out there
to protect their reputation well we've seen this uh a couple times cuz Joey leut went missing around that area
wasn't a student but anytime that there's a been a missing person from Ohio State you get on Google it's
flooded initially and then they start burying that that's why I that's why that's why I'm always on Bing because
they do not want you they do not want some somebody's parent Googling Ohio State and the first thing that comes up
is medical students missing yeah we've heard that with Mora Murray and UMass as well but um that's uh out of their
control at this point and the state of New Hampshire right at the people who run the white mountain region Junior
College enrollment just went way up way up I'm going community school for you son I feel safe at a community college
what about his cell phone yeah when did it stop ringing that's weird and when did it start ringing again and then
stop so his his girlfriend would try it repeatedly and then one day it so it would always go to voicemail when she
was trying it yeah and then one day it rang like three times it seems like that it didn't
ring at all from the beginning once they knew he was missing right they would call and it would just go straight to
voice so that night that that so that Saturday and that Sunday people are calling Brian now
so in the we know the girlfriend was calling on Saturday it's just you know boyfriend's girl girlfriends tend to
talk every day you know no big deal she's not heard from him but I think she kind of sounds the alarm sometime on
Sunday when she returns she's up in Toledo at the time visiting her family so she's like a two-hour drive from
where he was last seen so she comes back into town and I think by this point Brian's father Randy
has already called attempted to call him but there's no red flags for Randy yet until she returns to Town the girlfriend
and alerts Randy saying I you know I haven't been able to get a hold of him they go to his
apartment he's not answering the door then this this spawns uh the family the girlfriend to
start looking in the area okay and by Sunday night they're looking in dumpsters that's not not a great feeling
not a great situation when you are looking in dumpsters so they at some point notify
the police department to which the the the decision is made I don't know if it was made amongst the family and law
enforcement or if it was just made amongst the family that well if he doesn't show up for this plane ride this
this flight to Florida on Monday morning he bought the ticket yeah and we should throw this out
there too this is this is a guy that is very much in debt from his from being a college guy for so many years so it's
it's not like you willy-nilly just buy a plane ticket and don't show up right do
do we know if he charged it or if he uh paid debit or whatever my my guess this is just a guess is that he charged it
because I don't remember if it was the private investigator that was later hired by the family or if it was the one
of the detectives involved involved but when discussing Brian's finances one of them pointed to he had multiple credit
he had you know multiple lines of credit and credit card debt okay which is not that uncommon for a student because you
have especially a student of that as far as books and stuff goes those can be very expensive and and J C
penny is not paying for all that have you guys oh sorry so back to the cell phone thing though so it we know people
are calling him that weekend we can assume that the the calls simply to find out where he is continued for some time
right but at some point his girlfriend heartbroken decides to cope with this it's some kind of it's comforting to her
to call his cell phone and she said that she would do it once a day at least once
a day and it would usually be in the evening well he goes missing March 31st April
1st she's called calling this daily calling the cell phone daily and it was at some point in
September where the phone always went just straight to voicemail but on this one particular day in September it rings
three times I how in the world did she handle that she said it was the best sound she ever heard I think yeah I mean
and then but to so quickly have that hope just crushed right that's insane yeah cuz then they contact the cell
company so what was it so we got a ping right well singular told the yeah we did
get a ping so the Ping went to a tower in Hillyard Ohio so Columbus is directly in the center Hillyard would be as I
call it just straight west it's like a straight shot west of Columbus but the newspapers said it was 14 miles
Northwest of Columbus so but again if that's incoming call is that is that reliable cuz you're now seeing that with
like the Edon SED case where they're saying ping technology especially around that time uh only worked when it was
like outgoing call would be reliable but an incoming call wouldn't be reliable well and to further that thought they
give a pretty detailed explanation for that but it is a little bit of a guess but you're but let's keep in mind where
we're hearing the explanation from is law enforcement we're not hearing it directly from singular who law
enforcement spoke with but what law M has stated is that they were told by singular that what most likely occurred
is that there was so much action on the circuit so many people calling or or using data whatever that when she
attempted to call him it should have just gone straight to voicemail but instead there's so much activity it then
bounced to another Tower and when it bounced to another Tower is when it would have started ringing and then once
it's accepted by that Tower it's dropped because or or went straight to voicemail
because now it's actually connecting it's almost like a hold on signal for the person calling even though you think
that it's oh my God some he turned on his phone or somebody's got his phone the crazy thing though too is what's so
wild about this it's not unheard of for someone to kill someone and keep their phone I mean we know Long Island serial
killer did it to the point where he not only kept the victim's phone but then reached out to family members of the
victim to talk them and harass them right and that would explain the hundreds of cell phones in your trunk so
I remember before this explanation went out before this explanation came out by police because there was a rumor that
his phone rang MH and my immediate you know my immediate thought is somebody kept his phone and just happened to have
it turned on at that moment for whatever reason and it caught a ring it caught a
call yeah my initial thought was it was Brian turning on turning on his phone in
this suburb of Columbus which is a little distance away and uh yeah also not where he grew up in Pinkerton
Pickerington Pickerington not bad close enough so how far is Pickerington so it's almost on the
opposite side so Columbus would be pretty much in the middle and Pickerington would be to the East and
hilard to the West I would have found it to be better evidence if the ping happened in pick
yeah right did you guys hear any rumor about him wanting to break up with his girlfriend beforehand wasn't there
something out there that he said he wasn't coping with the loss of his mother and he told his girlfriend that
he she should move on the voicemail he leaves for his girlfriend the same night that he went missing he tries to call
her at some point while they're out bar hopping right and I he leaves a voicemail for her that that can be heard
you can track it down on the internet but it's to me like if you know I'm a I'm a
beautiful woman right you are I'm sitting a cow it would be it would be the voicemail that I as a beautiful
woman would want to receive from a handsome man I mean he it's like from Tim yes basically Brian and
this isn't verbatim but he he calls and he says something like just still out with the friends I they were asking
about you I'm telling them how wonderful you are you are the most amazing woman I
love you see you soon is that does that sound about right Captain yeah thank you
we should pause and and actually take a listen to it hey gorgeous I just want to say hi
and tell you that uh you're an amazing woman that I love you so all right [Music]
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This week we are joined in the Garage with long time friends of the show and missing persons experts Tim and Lance from the Missing Maura Murray and Crawlspace podcasts. Join us for some cold ones and an in-depth round table discussion regarding the disappearance of Brian Shaffer. Was Brian met with foul play or is Brian living out his days in Parts Unknown? Beer of the Week - Seventh Son American Strong Ale Garage Grade - 4 and 3/4 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Brian Schaefer vanished after a night out in 2006; his case remains unsolved and perplexing.

Key points

The Mysterious Disappearance of Brian Schaer. Brian Schaer went missing after a night out with friends, leaving behind unanswered questions.
The Orange Sweatshirt Guy. A mysterious figure in an orange sweatshirt becomes a key part of the investigation.
The Mystery of Brian Schaefer. Brian Schaefer disappears after a night out, leaving behind a trail of confusion and theories.
The Scent Trail. Dogs tracked a scent leading to a Wendy's, but was it Brian's?
Surveillance Footage Mystery. Law enforcement reviewed footage but found nothing to indicate Brian's direction.
The Bar's Back Hallway Footage. Questions arise about the unreleased footage from the bar's back hallway.

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