Brandon Swanson /// Part 3 /// 334 | Forensic Files

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[Music] all right we're back with part three of brandon swanson it's like we never left
yeah some people cover this case in ten minutes we covered in ten hours ten episodes so going through these
theories here captain we talked about how thinking sideways said it's impossible for alien abduction you said
no time warp no sasquatch there are people and i find this a little strange but it is
something that you do have to consider anytime you have a missing persons case is that the individual chooses to be
missing that they decide to walk away from their life yeah we both agree in this case the fact that brandon seemed
to be lost at some point so he's calling for help from friends they don't answer
so then he calls and gets ahold of his parents and he's asking for help basically right and we agree that he
didn't walk away from his life based off of his actions leading up to his last known whereabouts right and there's also
it would make zero sense to call mom and dad yeah and decide to walk away that same
night yeah and on top of that there is no nothing of his past or anything that his family is pointing to that this is a
possibility mm-hmm one of the more plausible theories and this kind of branches into a couple different options
here is that Brandon perished in some type of accident somewhere out there in that night this theory seems to be again
one of the more likely ones although it's the problem here in this case will continue to be that they've not ever
found Brandon they've never found any evidence of him clothing a jacket shoes anything of his glasses his phone
anything like that but let's get into this theory let's break it down right Brandon was
disoriented and confused about where he was that is not a question he was 20 miles from where he thought he was we
know he got his car stuck in a ditch we know he was frustrated based off of what
his parents were saying he decided to abandon the vehicle he starts started he took what he referred to as a more
direct route across fields farmland off-road areas terrain he was not familiar with well not initially he was
staying on the road initially and then he went off paths correct he's walking along fences and he states
to his father he can hear running water meanwhile what else do we know he it's very dark that night
Brandon is blind in one eye his father heard him exclaim oh [ __ ] and then the phone on Brandon's side goes dead so
what happened here well let's be clear it doesn't go dead from our knowledge there's a disconnection the call drops
what I'm sorry about that and and it's just words but you're right we need to clear that up because there is a hot
debate about if his phone went dead or if it was still active yes after he says oh [ __ ] the call ends on Brandon's end
from here a lot of people say Brandon could have fallen or could have walked into something this would be the river a
well a sinkhole or some other type of obstacle let's go through this because I think we can very quickly eliminate some
of these possibilities and this is based off of information that has come out and
it's pretty wild you know readily available the sinkhole theories have basically been debunked by Jeff
Hasse remember he's the search Manager that we spoke about who them methodically and meticulously was
searching for Brandon all these years he stated that the radius where he calculated that Brandon could have
possibly walked from his car and this is even after the call went dead according to the blog that he maintained
that we referenced yesterday the site's details in the search is conducted for Brandon provided you know making these
public he states that sinkholes form and karst or cave gyah now he also says that the only
cardiology in Minnesota is in the southeastern part of the state the area where Brandon went missing is in the
southwestern part of Minnesota basically he's saying he couldn't have fallen into
a sinkhole because they're not there right the other thing he points out too regarding like Wells open Wells and
things of that nature on farmland he points out that the farmland in this area of the country is extremely
valuable and they all old wells have been capped off or replaced per Minnesota law so the days of large wells
with buckets that people could fall into he saying are long gone right there could be capped off and also in this
area these farmers and these people who live in the area would hear about this kid going missing and they probably
checked their property for any signs of Brandon yes he's stating that all the water sources
on these industrial farms were quote unquote high-tech by 2008 now old cisterns could exist but again if they
do the searchers have never found one mm-hmm that could leave us with the river so we
have a local woman who participated in the searches for Brandon she posted that the terrain out there is riddled with
swamps bogs caves six foot tall grasslands wooded areas and ponds cattails along the riverbanks are eight
feet tall at this time of year Brandon could have walked or fallen into you know the river or the swamps or the bogs
at any point along this way his father says after Brandon says oh [ __ ] that he
heard some type of what he describes as a slipping sound and we know that the scent dogs tracked Brandon to the actual
River and then seemed to indicate that he got back out of the river so that this is goes into what you were talking
about earlier captain where you have to wonder is it possible to brand and fall into the yellow
medicine river and did something happen to his phone that he that he even maybe he didn't drown in the river or maybe he
did maybe he hit his head and drowned in the river but you also have this theory
that maybe he slipped into the river he gets out but his phone does not then the
question is what his phone continued to ring for a few days even after submerged Jeff Hasse says yes
this is a possibility that the the sound that the caller hears has nothing to do
with the condition of the actual phone so this makes this a very possible thing here right yeah and sometimes wasn't you
trying to call somebody if you don't have great service your phone will ring multiple times before it actually tries
to connect to them right right so the idea being here that maybe something happened to the phone here's here's the
the thing that you really got to consider right if he did fall into the river even if he got out he very likely
could be soaking wet then we he's staggering along the road until he decides to stop and rest somewhere maybe
this is a whole field or in the woods or an abandoned barn he could have died of
hypothermia temperatures dropped to 39 degrees that night we both agreed that he was wearing fairly warmth clothing
for that evening the river was only 55 degrees could Brandon have succumb to the cold especially if he was wet his
body having not been found yet could be because it was either too obscured or has been scattered by animals plowed
under and broken up by heavy farm equipment we have to remember that searchers were not able to access all of
the farmland in the area some of which were covered thickly with high tight crops there's some interesting things
that Jeff has States in his information that he's made public when he's talking about you know
we reference how many dogs they used in the search for Brandon over the years the problem is at certain times of the
years the the crops are at different heights and he says that the height of crops can make it extremely difficult if
not impossible for a dog to find the scent right and it's it's hard to search in general when you have obstacles like
that you see that in a case like the Long Island serial killer case jeff has he also states that this region
receives nearly constant winds which can come from any direction these winds move sent from the source
and deposited into what he refers to as scent pools this can throw off the cadaver dogs meaning there they won't be
able to settle on an exact location of the remains the other possibility to that he points out is that the remains
may have been scattered over a wide area and this could be by predators you know
such as animals or that they were moved by human activities such as farmers tilling their fields or baling hay or
corn stalks something like that mm-hmm then again we also have these access issues they've not been able to search
everywhere that they would like to search they have been very careful to protect landowners property over the
years generally avoiding searching fields with crops in them even though he states there's a very likely chance that
Brandon ended up in a field right he states that this yeah this only leaves spring and fall available for them to
search and then we have the difficulty of how much land there is to search remember he pointed out that you're
prioritizing 98.5 square miles yeah he says Oh Lance yeah he says to effectively search a single 160 acre
field a team a whole team of people must walk in excess of 10 miles in what he says is difficult footing along these
same lines here captain he points out that not all the private land own along these
same lines here captain Jeff points out that not all of these private land owners have agreed to searches because
let's say Brandon attempted to seek shelter from the wind or from the cold right at some point along his journey
maybe he crawls into an outbuilding or under some old machinery and then passes there he says that they've not searched
all of the farmsteads in fact they've only searched very few of the farmsteads in the area
well you said there was a radius that they had to search and there's a what was the percentage like they've only
been able to search about sixty percent sixty percent of the area that they've prioritized yes well and to go back to
the cadaver dogs to if you have like a small pond of water but it has a drains into something that the cadaver dogs
normally do not hit inside the pond like the body could be in the middle of the pond the cadaver dogs normally hit where
the water is training because that's where the scent is more dominant he also points out the conditions in Minnesota
at that time of year and by his all of his knowledge and all of his experience it's his opinion that a body could
become fully skeletonized within a week so that's very quick out there even calculating that Brandon's body was
likely fully disarticulated by mid July of 2008 and he says this would be very likely at the latest and one of the
things that makes this case so much more fascinating and like you've been talking
about is the documentation of the search that really changes everything with as far as like the Brandon Lawson case or
like even like Mara Murray like we don't have as detailed records of the searches
that happen and in those cases right and so what is fascinating here and really educating at the same time is all the
information about the search throughout the years detailed information where we have a complete
understanding of look so many so many shows in so many news articles in so many website forums and message boards
they keep coming back to the idea that something weird had to have happened because they've not found Brandon right
the problem here is we have the the search manager the guy in charge in his team that is very publicly stating we
had this huge area to search we went over the difficulties of the search or what could have happened throughout the
the years wherever Brandon may be that adds to the difficulty level of the search and yet we have them saying
there's still almost 40% of the prioritized area that we have not been able to get to you know which is sad
because this is somebody's child this is people's friends the you know and I understand why some of the places
haven't been searched but it's kind of sad yes I mean there's there's a multitude of reasons why certain areas
have not been searched and some of it is just happenstance some of it is just the
lay of the land itself what do we think happened here captain we we could spin our tires all day long on the
possibilities and the searches and what has taken place over the course of 11 years or almost you know 11 years now
what do we think happened well well let's take a quick beer break so we can gather our thoughts and gather some
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beer king's king of beers sorry what did I say I don't know I'm looking at my notes and trying to talk at the same
time I'm doing the same thing I'm moving some things around would you like to go
first my friend yeah I can I think to me it's where does the evidence take us I think one with this search we will find
you know with a banded car we're gonna find him within this area I think we're the the initial scent dogs hit into the
river that's the yellow medicine river correct where they hit there I then came out of the river I think they should
have just probably stayed in the river that's what my what my gut is telling me is the old [ __ ] again when he was
talking to his father he's saying I'm along this fence line I can hear water and then boom all [ __ ] we have no signs
of foul play but that does not mean that further down the line you know if there's send dogs
just stop that further down the line there wouldn't be maybe something but we haven't had no reports of that so I
think where the car was with possibly being tired I think with possibly being you know let's say buzzed I think
there's some evidence that he had a few drinks he was frustrated he was tired he
was walking he was trying to get help he was definitely lost or not in the area that he thought he was I think that
area is very easy to be confused and I think you're gonna dive into that more but I think like I said the dogs take us
to that area I think his conversation with his father on the phone points to being in that
area and to be around that to that River mm-hmm we have not found his body now I
think that is a leap like you said maybe 60% of this area has been searched for t
he hasn't so could you find his body somewhere else yes and I understand that they also searched this river I think
it'd be a lot harder to find his body in water in general so I I just think that
kind of leads to it and I know like I said I know that's a leap to say well well you haven't found his body on land
so therefore it puts him into water but I think there's other like I said those other pieces of evidence kind of points
us in the direction that there could have been an accident that happened along that that water line mm-hmm mm-hmm
I want to address a few different things that I think are confusing this whole situation from all of the armchair
detectives all the people on the outside looking in I think first I want to address the issue of I'm not totally
discrediting or discounting the possibility of foul play but what I do want to discredit is the
thought that because his name is on ViCAP means that he met with foul play and people keep going back to that well
law enforcement must know something that we don't know because they put him on ViCAP that is a possibility then they
know something that we don't it's definitely a possibility but looking into that specific situation what I
gathered from the database is that ViCAP was alerted of Brandon Swanson's situation on March 5th of 2010 and then
it was released to the public as being part of the ViCAP database on April 7th of 2010 now remember what we reported
earlier that back in March of 2010 the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension became the lead
investigating agency on the case new eyes look a cold case what I'm getting to here
captain is it's my thought that the reason that Brandon is on ViCAP is not because there is evidence of foul play
or that he was met with violence it's simply because a new agency took over his case and decided to ask it to be
applied to ViCAP as something that it can't hurt to put him on the database right the only thing that could hurt is
the rumor mill mm-hmm and then I also want to address the issue of him being disoriented or you know why he got lost
that whole situation first of all I question one how well he would have known any of these areas outside of
route 68 and route 23 I seriously questioned that first of all how experienced of a driver is he he's
only 19 years old and we have some stories that may indicate that he might have even lost his license at one point
and then people point out that well he traveled this route for a full school year to and from Marshall and Camby
where his school was I take I take a little issue with that too because this the typical school year at this school
is late August to mid-may it's not really a full year one and they take about a month-long break in the middle
of the winter so it's not a full year first of all and then second of all why would he know the area's off of Route 68
Grau 68 takes them to and from school so I really questioned how well he knew this area then on top of that we have
some confusion confusing things going on regarding the lay of the land so anybody
that has seen this area on a map will know that the streets and the roads the country roads out there are laid out
basically like a square grid yeah I believe there's a simple version of this map on Wikipedia
yeah I would I would encourage anybody to look up that simple version of the map and then use your own map app to
really zoom in on some areas and go through that trail that we discussed in detail regarding the dog's movements
when they were following or believed to be following Brandon's movements now what you will see here is regarding this
map okay so picture a square if you're not looking at it picture square route 68 runs diagonally from the northwest
corner of that Square to the southeast corner of that square above route 68 and below route 68 you have country roads
that are laid out in a grid now north of 68 we have street names and Avenue names
such as they're all kind of numbers there are some that are named but the overwhelming majority of them are just
numbers meaning like three hundred and sixtieth Street two hundred and eightieth Avenue one hundred in tenth
Street one hundred and fiftieth Avenue so on and so forth you get what I'm talking about now north of route 68 all
of the numbered roads if they're going east to west they are an avenue if they're going north to south or south to
north they are streets if you get south of 68 it flip-flops where all of the numbered
country roads going north to south are avenues and east to west are streets what I'm getting at here is you would
only have to take one wrong turn to end up going the wrong way if you let's say you are somewhat familiar with the area
and you are aware that oh avenues run east-west streets run north to south even though I'm lost I'm going to use
that information to guide me back to where I think I need to get to well if you make one wrong turn
basically take that whole square map that I just described and turn it on its side because now the streets are going
east to west and avenues are going north to south it's a very tricky area so I completely understand why somebody
anyone regardless of their situation how much they've had to drink how little they've had to drink what they've
ingested or not would get turned around and Confused in this situation and again
as we pointed out there are indicators to him that he is right in his statement where he sees I got a go across a major
road there is a river that runs into that town I must be where I think I write in the simple fact of the matter
is the people that say well he knew this area well he didn't because where he told his family he was he was not hmm
and that's all the proof that you need that he didn't know where he was that maybe he does know that area well but
that night um no he didn't know where he was at the other thing too that I think
gets in the way of really sorting through all of this is the oh [ __ ] moment right so this case
oddly enough made me think back to my childhood okay I'm a child of the 90s and what I'm talking about here captain
is the song the things that make you go hmm bye C&C Music Factory this was a 1990 release things that make you go
what hmm don't bother looking up the song it's as bad as you expect it to be mm-hmm okay
now look this case of course this is a tragic case here of this young man but it's truly a big question mark and why
so many people are fascinated by this case is that it's a big question mark now if you look at the lyrics for that
song the things that make you go hmm the lyrics in that song is listing out very
simply the things that make you go hmm now there are a lot of questions in this case but what I was really looking at
regarding the phone call he says oh [ __ ] and then the phone call ends I was really thinking to myself
what are the things that would make me go oh [ __ ] right and so we're going to put
ourselves in Brandon's shoes here so to speak now that could have been any number of
things it could have been some type of accident he could have hurt himself you know people people say a car up to
them pile of [ __ ] right whatever but the the problem is the call ends after this
takes place so you can't you can't just look at this and go oh what would make me say oh [ __ ] what would make me say oh
[ __ ] and then the phone the phone call ends you have to put those two things together because that's what took place
now of course it could have been some type of accident he could have fallen into the river the river kills his phone
but the other thing just as simple could be his phone is going to die right the phone is losing its charge it has no
battery life left his phone according to what you can the specs that you can find
online has 400 minutes of call time of talk time we know that this one phone call the last phone call took up 47
minutes of talk time that's one-eighth of the whole battery life right there now on top of that he
said wasn't a good thumb on top of that he's had multiple calls with mom and dad
before this last one he's also gone to two parties that night I mean this phone is basically a rock with antenna he left
his home by all accounts around 6:00 p.m. that night so he's been gone it's now 3:00 in the morning
he's been gone like nine hours so what I'm getting at here is our charger though that's very possible
but what I'm getting at here is that it's very likely that he could have been talking and talking and talking pulled
the phone away looked at the screen and went oh [ __ ] or got some kind of notification that he heard on his end
but his father didn't hear mm-hm and goes oh [ __ ] and then the phone goes dead simply because the battery life ran
out the thing here is that doesn't get us any closer to what happened to Brandon but what I'm
getting at is what I think is is so polarizing about that case this case is that phone call where I think it's just
kind of confusing and it's really clouding the whole situation the phone call and him saying ol [ __ ] may mean
nothing at all could be something super small something as simple as his phone dying and then
whatever took place took place after he no longer had the use of his phone I do think that there's some type of accident
that took place out there it that led to his demise mm-hmm that he probably did succumb to the elements at some point
that evening and I think it's very likely that he is somewhere in that area that they've been unable to search for
any number of reasons that's 40% of the area mm-hmm I think that's I think that's what it what happened here I
think everything that the people that are closest to this case are saying is probably exactly what happened he wasn't
that messed up he just he got disoriented because the area itself is confusing well it's late at night it's
not well marked it's it would be confusing for anybody traveling in that area he tried to turn around because he
knew had to go an extra mile or two to get to the next intersection and he was frustrated and upset that he wasn't home
already and he just wanted to turn around as quickly as possible and he ran into the bad luck of getting his car
hung up in the ditch and then he ran into further bad luck of having indicators pointing out to him that he
may in fact be where he thinks he is I think this is just at one of those tragic cases and unfortunately I've
heard statements from his mother and from his sister that are just heartbreaking where his mother says I'm
kinda come to the conclusion that we won't find Brandon in my lifetime and then his sister adds to that by going
I'm starting to think we won't find him in my lifetime yeah and because even if you take like I said my theory I lean
more towards the idea that he ended up in that River while we know what what the water can do
to bodies and speed up the composition you know decomposition of the body not to mention the weather out there being a
little more extreme and colder weather then and then also if you're right that he is somewhere in this 40% that they
haven't been able to search like you talked about yeah farm equipment you have you know a
lot of this machinery that's gonna be coming through you have animals you you have the the weather you have all these
things stacked up against you to actually find his remains mm-hmm right and I the thing I want to point
out here too captain is look I'm sure there's a lot of us out there listening to this and
going well whatever happened to Brandon would never happen to me I have GPS on my phone I have a much different phone
than what Brandon had to carry back in 2008 let's let's be smarter than that let's take this a step further put some
things in your vehicle put some safety precautions in your vehicle flashlights and he might have had something he may
he may have but it was a young kid this I think this is just a this was a friendly reminder to me or an unfriendly
reminder however you want to look at it a reminder to me that it's a good idea to have things like a flashlight
first-aid kit flares however far you want to take this thing blankets some people put bottles of water in their
vehicle this can happen to any of us and if you're better prepared you might have
a different outcome yeah and even though I really think my my gut feeling is correct and then even if it's not
correct then I would lean more towards the idea okay well maybe he made it out of the water and now we just haven't
found him and that that forty percent that hasn't been searched I can go with that that one of the things that really
makes me ponder this case more is the vehicles left and both doors are open mm-hmm that doesn't make a lot of
sense to me it seems one super strange to me and a bit creepy and scary at the same time
that's the only indicator throughout this whole story that whatever Brandon was telling his father and his mother
that something totally different could have been going on that's the only indicator to me one one way that I've
tried to apply some just very basic logic to why the the car doors would be open obviously if somebody came along
and tried to wanted to steal something or look for something of value in the car that's an obvious thing right but I
also wondered if look they were trying to use lights earlier in in this whole thing as a way of finding one another by
flashing the lights part of me wonders if Brandon look we know he was a smart guy there's nobody disputing that
I wonder if while he's troubleshooting his problem here if he thought you know I'm gonna head off on foot walking
Northwest towards this town yes I'm going to meet my father there but he's still under the belief at that time that
he is in the area of where his father is searching right so is it possible that he thought I'll take this a step further
and leave the car door open or doors open this leaving on the light inside of the car that my father might see so if
he doesn't find me at least he finds a car and I can we can use that as a landmark er to meet up so I kind of
thought that the only thing that makes that punches a hole in that thought in theory is that you think this might have
been discussed between Brandon and his father and it wasn't as far as we know yeah it's seen that detail to me seems
like something that's gonna keep this mystery around for a while right and his father and mother not only led the
search that night and really pushed to get law enforcement involved as quickly as possible but they've continued to
lead the sir for all these years yeah all missing children cases are difficult I think
there's an element of the fact that you both work getting up that night to go help him makes it even more difficult
mm-hmm well and I hope and pray that his mother and sister are wrong in their thought and their belief that they've
kind of come to the idea that they may never know what happened to Brandon in throughout their course of their
lifetime I hope that they're wrong with that the the family this has got to be haunting for them and they've already
kind of come to the idea in somewhat accepted the idea that Brandon's very likely no longer with us but to have
some answers would would be very big for them in this situation now there is a thing today called Brandon's law and
this is because of Brandon's parents Annette and Brian Swanson are responsible for the enactment of
Brandon's law which became effective in Minnesota on July 1st 2009 this law requires Minnesota police to begin an
immediate search for missing adults under 21 as well as older adults who are missing under suspicious circumstances
and Brandon's situation certainly falls into that regardless of what theory you favor or believe the Swanson's have kept
the porch light on for their son they have burned through many light bulbs in the 11 years he has been missing Brian
Swanson has acknowledged that the family likely won't find Brandon alive but they
still want to find him there has never been a memorial service for Brandon Brandon's sister is now married and
Brandon now has two nephews which he has never met the Swanson's want to know what happened to their son they say
quote you know people don't just vanish into thin air but it sure seems like he did
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Brandon Swanson /// Part 3 /// 334 Part 3 of 3 www.TrueCrimeGarage.com This week we take a deep dive into a fascinating missing persons case. Brandon Swanson went missing in May of 2008. The strangest part of his case, he was on the phone with his father when he vanished. Beer of the Week - Budweiser by Anneuser Busch Garage Grade - 3 out of 5 Bottle Caps This week’s show is sponsored by: www.BetterHelp.com/Garage - use code GARAGE and get 10% off your first month www.Noom.com/Garage to start your trial today! www.AwayTravel.com/Garage20 - use code GARAGE20 for $20 off a suitcase The full archive of True Crime Garage is available on the Stitcher listening app - for FREE. Our show “Off the Record” is only on Stitcher Premium. For a FREE month of listening go to http://stitcherpremium.com/truecrimegarage and use promo code GARAGE

Brief Summary

Brandon Swanson's disappearance is analyzed, focusing on search efforts, theories of accident, and family impact.

Key points

Brandon Swanson Case Overview. The hosts dive deep into the mysterious case of Brandon Swanson, discussing various theories and evidence.
Theories on Brandon's Disappearance. Exploring the plausible theories surrounding Brandon's missing persons case, including accidents and choices.
Search Challenges and Obstacles. The hosts discuss the difficulties faced during the search for Brandon, including terrain and weather conditions.
Brandon's Law Enacted. Brandon's parents pushed for a law requiring immediate searches for missing adults under 21.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Only a total psychotic would listen to this show at two times the speed.

Host's humorous remark about listeners' habits.

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Tension

60/ 100Some tension

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