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crime all right we're back with part three of Brandon Swanson it's like we never left
yeah some people cover this case in 10 minutes we cover it in 10 hours 10 episodes so going through these theories
here Captain we talked about how thinking sideways said it's impossible for alien abduction you said No Time
Warp no Sasquatch um there are people and I find this a little strange but it is
something that you do have to consider anytime you have a missing person's case is that the individual chooses to be
missing that they decide to walk away from their life yeah and we both agree in this case the fact that Brandon
seemed to be lost at some point so he's calling for help from friends they don't
answer so then he calls and gets a hold of the his parents and he's asking for help basically right and we agree that
he didn't walk away from his life based off of his actions leading up to his last known whereabouts right and there's
also it would make zero sense to call Mom and Dad and then decide to walk away that same night yeah and on top of that
there is no nothing of his past or anything that his family is pointing to that this is a possibility mhm one of
the more plausible theories and this kind of branches into a couple different options here is that Brandon perished in
some type of accident somewhere out out there in that night this Theory seems to
be again one of the more likely ones although it's the problem here in this case will continue to be that they've
not ever found Brandon they've never found any evidence of him clothing a jacket shoes anything of his glasses his
phone anything like that but let's get into this Theory let's break it down right Brandon was disoriented and
confused about where he was that is not a question he was 20 mil from where he thought he was mhm we know he got his
car stuck in a ditch we know he was frustrated based off of what his parents were saying he decided to abandon the
vehicle he start started walking he took what he referred to as a more direct route across Fields Farmland off-road
areas terrain he was not familiar with well not initially he was staying on the the road initially and then he went off
path correct he's walking along fences and he states to his father he can hear running water meanwhile what else do we
know he it's very dark that night Brandon is blind in one eye his father heard him exclaim oh [ __ ] and then the
phone on Brandon's side goes dead so what happened here well no it let's be clear it doesn't go dead from our
knowledge there's a disconnection the call drops is what what I meant sorry about that uh and and it's just words
but you're right it we need to clear that up because there is a hot debate about if his phone went dead or if it
was still active yes after he says oh [ __ ] the call ends on Brandon's end from here a lot of people say
Brandon could have fallen or could have walked into something this would be the river a well a sinkhole or some
other type of obstacle let's go through this because I think we can very quickly
eliminate some of these possibilities and this is based off of information that has come out and is pretty wild you
know readily available the sinkhole theories have basically been debunked by Jeff hassie
remember he's the search manager that we spoke about who methodically and meticulously was searching for Brandon
all these years he stated that the radius where he calculated that Brandon could have possibly walked from his car
and this is even after the call went dead according to the blog that he maintained that we referenced yesterday
that that cites details in the searches conducted for Brandon provide you know making these public he states that
sinkholes form and cars or cave geology now he also says that the only car geology in Minnesota is in the
Southeastern part of the state the area where Brandon went missing is in the southwestern part of Minnesota mhm
basically he's saying he couldn't have fallen into a sinkhole because they're not there right the other thing he
points out too regarding like Wells open Wells and things of that nature on Farmland he points out that the Farmland
in this area the country is extremely valuable and that all old Wells have been capped off or replaced per
Minnesota law so the days of large Wells with buckets that people could fall into he's
saying are long gone right they could be capped off and also in this area these farmers and these people that live in
the area would hear about this kid going missing and they'd probably check their
property for any um signs of Brandon yes he's stating that all the water sources
on these industrial Farms were quote unquote high tech by 2008 now old sisters could
exist but again if they do the Searchers have never found one mhm that could leave us with the river so we have a
local woman who participated in the searches for Brandon she posted that the terrain out there is fed with swamps
bogs caves 6ot tall grasslands wooded areas and ponds Cattails along the river banks are
8 ft tall at this time of year Brandon could have walked or fallen into you know the River or the swamps or the bogs
at any point along this way his father says after Brandon says oh [ __ ] that he heard some type of what
he describes as a slipping sound mhm and we know that the scent dogs tracked Brandon to the actual River and then
seem to indicate that he got back out of the river so th this is goes into what you were talking about earlier Captain
where you have to wonder is it possible did Brandon fall into the yellow Medicine
River and did something happen to his phone that he that he even maybe he didn't drown in the river or maybe he
did maybe he hit his head and drowned in the river but you also have this theory
that maybe he he slipped into the river he gets out but his phone does not MH then the question is would his phone
continue to ring for a few days even after submerged Jeff hassie says yes this is a possibility that the the sound
that the caller hears has nothing to do with the condition of the actual phone so this makes this a a very
possible thing here right yeah sometimes when you're trying to call somebody if you don't have great service your phone
will ring multiple times before it actually tries to connect to them right right so the idea being here that maybe
something happened to the phone here's here's the the thing that you really got to consider
right if he did fall into the river even if he got out he very likely could be soaking wet then we he's staggering
along the road until he decides to stop and rest somewhere maybe this is a hole a field or in the woods or an abandoned
Barn he could have died of hypothermia temperatures dropped to 39° that night we both agreed that he was
wearing fairly warmth clothing for that evening the river was only 55° could Brandon have succumbed to the
cold especially if he was wet his body having not been found yet could be because it was either too
obscured or has been scattered by animals plowed under and broken up by heavy farm
equipment we have to remember that Searchers were not able to access all of the Farmland in the area some of which
were covered thickly with high tight crops there's some interesting things that Jeff hassie States in his
information that he's made public when he's talking about you know we we reference how many dogs they used in the
search for Brandon over the years the problem is at certain times of the years the the crops are at different heights
and he says that the height of crops can make it extremely difficult if not impossible for a dog to find the scent
right and it's just hard to search in general when you have obstacles like that you see that in a case like the
Long Island serial killer case Jeff hassie also states that this region receives nearly constant winds which can
come from any direction these winds move scent from the source and deposit it into what he refers to as scent pools
mhm this can throw off the kadav dogs meaning they they won't be able to settle on an exact location of The
Remains the other possibility too that he points out is that the remains may have been scattered over a wide area and
this could be by Predators you know such as animals or that they were moved by human
activity such as Farmers tilling their fields or bailing hay or cornstock something like that MH then again we
also have these access issues they've not been able to search everywhere that they would like to
search they have been very careful to protect land owners property over the years generally avoiding searching
Fields with crops in them even though he States there's a very likely chance that
Brandon ended up in a field right he states that this yeah this only leaves spring and fall available for them to
search and then we have the difficulty of how much land there is to search remember he pointed out that you're
prioritizing 98.5 square miles yeah he says a lot of land yeah he says to effectively search
a single 60 acre field a team a whole team of people must walk in excess of 10 miles in what he says is difficult
footing along these same lines here Captain he points out that not all of the private landowner along these same
lines here Captain Jeff points out that not all of these private land owners have agreed to searches because let's
say Brandon attempted to seek Shelter From the wind or from the cold right at some point along his journey maybe he
crawls into an out building or under some old machinery and then passes there he he says that theyve not
searched all of the farmsteads in fact they've only searched very few of the farmsteads in the area well you said
there was that radius that they had to search and there's a what was the percentage like they've only been able
to search about 60% 60% of the area that they've prior przed yes well and to go back to the cadav dogs too if you have
like a a small pond of water but it has a drains into something mhm that the cadaver dogs normally do not hit inside
the pond like the body could be in the middle of the pond the cadav dogs normally hit where the water is draining
because that's where the scent is um more dominant he also points out the conditions in Minnesota at that time of
year and by his all of his knowledge and all of his experience it's his opinion that a body could become fully
skeletonized within a week so that's very quick out there even calculating that Brandon's body was likely fully
disarticulated by mid July of 2008 and he says this would be very likely at the latest and one of the things that makes
this case so much more fascinating is like you been talking about is the documentation of the search that really
changes everything with as far as like the Brandon Lawson case or or like even like Mara Murray like we don't have um
as detailed records of the searches that happen and in those cases right and so what is fascinating here and really
educating at the same time is all the information about the searches throughout the years detailed
information where we have a complete understanding of look so many so many shows and so
many news articles and so many website forums and message boards they keep coming back to the idea that something
weird had to have happened because they've not found Brandon right the problem here is we have the the search
manager the guy in charge in his team that is very publicly stating we had this huge area to search
we went over the difficulties of the search or what could have happened throughout the the the years wherever
Brandon may be that adds to the difficulty level of the search and yet we have them saying
they's still almost 40% of the prioritized area that we have not been able to get to yeah which is sad because
this is somebody's child this is people's friends the you know and I understand why some of the places
haven't been searched but it's kind of sad yes I mean there's there's a a multitude of reasons why certain areas
have not been searched and some of it is just happen stance some of it is just the lay of the land itself what do we
think happened here Captain we we could spin our tires all day long on the possibilities and the searches and what
has taken place over the course of 11 years or almost you know 11 years now what do we think happened and well well
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Kings King of beers what did I say I don't know I'm looking at my notes and trying
to talk at the same time I'm doing the same thing I'm moving some things around would you like to go first my friend
yeah I can I think um to me it's where does the evidence take us I think one with this search we
we will find you know with the the abandoned car we're going to find him within this area
I think where the the initial scent dogs hit into the river that's the yellow Medicine River correct um where they hit
there and then came out of the river I think they should have just probably stayed in the river um that's what my
what my gut is telling me is the old [ __ ] again when he was talking to his father he's saying well I'm along this
fence line I can hear water and then boom oh [ __ ] um we have no signs of Foul Play but that does not mean that further
down the line you know uh if the scent dogs just stopped that further down the line there wouldn't be maybe something
but we have had no reports of that so I think where the car was with possibly being tired I think with um possibly
being you know let's say buzzed I think there's some evidence that he you had a few
drinks he was frustrated he was tired he was walking uh he was trying to get help he
was definitely lost uh or not in the area that he thought he was I think that area is very easy to be confused and I
think you're going to dive into that more but I think like I said the dogs take us to that area I think his
conversation with his father uh on the phone points to being in that area area and to be be around that that River mhm
we have not found his body now I think that is a leap like you said maybe 60% of this area has been searched 40 hasn't
so could you find his body somewhere else yes and I understand that they also search this River I think it' be a lot
harder to find his body in water in general so I I I I just think that kind of leads to it and I know like I said I
know that's a leap to say well we haven't found his body on land so therefore it puts him into water but I
think there's other like I said those other pieces of evidence kind of points Us in the direction that there could
have been an accident that happened uh along that that water line mhm mhm I want to address a few different
things that I think are confusing this whole situation from all of the armchair detectives all the
people on the outside looking in I think first I want to address the issue of I'm not totally discrediting or
discounting the possibility of Foul Play but what I do want to discredit is the thought that because his name is on
vicap means that he met with Foul Play and people keep going back to that well law enforcement must know something that
we don't know because they put him on vicap that that that is a possibility that they know something that we don't
it's definitely a possibility but looking into that specific situation what I gathered from the
database is that vicap was alerted of Brandon Swanson's situation on March 5th of
2010 and then it was released to the public as being part of the vicap database on April 7th of 2010 now
remember what we reported earlier that back in March of 2010 the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal apprehension became
the lead invest investigating Agency on the case new eyes looking at a Cold Case
what I'm getting to here Captain is it's my thought that the reason that Brandon
is on vicap is not because there is evidence of Foul Play or that he was met with violence it's simply because a new
agency took over his case and decided to ask it to be applied to vicap as something that it it can't hurt to put
him on the database right the only thing that can hurt is the rumor mill mhm and
then I also want to address the issue of him being disoriented or you know why he got lost that whole situation first
of all I question one how well he would have known any of these areas outside of
Route 68 and Route 23 I I seriously question that first of all how experienced of a driver is he he's only
19 years old and we have some stories that may indicate that he might have even lost his license at one
point and then people point out that well he traveled this route for a full school year to and from Marshall and
cambi where his school was I take I take a little issue with that too because this the typical school
year at this school is late August to miday it's not really a full year one and they take about a monthlong break in
the middle of the winter so it's not a full year first of all and then second of all why would he know the areas off
of Route 68 Route 68 takes him to and from school so I really question how well he knew this area then on top of
that we have some confusion confusing things going on regarding the lay of the land MH so any anybody that has seen
this area on a map will know that the the streets and the roads the country roads out there are laid out basically
like a square grid yeah I believe there's a simple version of this map on Wikipedia yeah I would I would encourage
anybody to look up that simple version of the map and then use your own map app to really zoom in on some areas and go
through that trail that we discussed in detail regarding the dogs movements when
they were following or believed to be following Brandon's movements M now what you will see here
is regarding this map okay so picture a square if you're not looking at it picture Square Route 68 runs diagonally
from the northwest corner of that square to the southeast corner of that square mhm above Route 68 and Below rout about
68 you have Country Roads that are laid out in a grid now north of 68 we have street names and Avenue names
such as they're all kind of numbers there are some that are named but the overwhelming majority of them are just
numbers meaning like 360th Street 280th Avenue 110th Street 150th Avenue so on and so forth you get what I'm talking
about now north of Route 68 all of the numbered roads if they're going east to west M
they are an Avenue if they're going north to south or south to North there are streets if you get south of 68 it
flip-flops where all of the numbered country roads going north to south are Avenues and east to west are streets
what I'm getting at here is you would only have to take one wrong turn to end up going the wrong way if
you let's say you are somewhat familiar with the area and you are aware that oh Avenues run east to west Streets Run
north to south even though I'm lost I'm going to use that information to guide me back to where I think I need to get
to well if you make one wrong turn basically take that whole Square map that I just described and turn it on its
side because now the streets are going east to west and the Avenues are going north the South it's a very tricky area
so I completely understand why somebody anyone regardless of their situation how much
they've had to drink how little they've had to drink what they've ingested or not would get turned around and Confused
in the situation and again as we pointed out there are indicators to him that he
is right in his statement where he sees I got to go across a major road there is
a river that runs into that town I must be where I think I am right and the simple fact of the matter is the people
that say well he knew this area well he didn't because where he told his family he was he was not mhm and that's all the
proof that you need that he didn't know where he was at maybe he does know that area well but that
night um no he didn't know where he was that the other thing too that I think gets in the way of really sorting
through all of this is the oh [ __ ] moment right so this this case oddly enough made me think back to my
childhood okay I'm a child of the 90s and what I'm talking about here Captain is the song the things that make
you go hm by CNC Music Factory this was a 1990 release things that make you go what M mhm don't bother looking up the
song it's as bad as you expect it to be mhm okay now look this case of course this is a tragic case here of this young
man but it's truly a big question mark and why so many people are fascinated by this case is that it's a big question
mark now if you look at the lyrics for that song the things that make you go H the lyrics in that song is listing out
very simply the things that make you go hm now there are a lot of questions in this case but what I was really looking
at regarding the phone call he says oh [ __ ] and then the phone call ends I was
really thinking to myself what are the things that would make me go oh [ __ ] right and so we're going to put
ourselves in Brandon's shoes here so to speak now that could have been any number of things it could have been some
type of accident he could have hurt himself you know people people say a car stepped in a pile of [ __ ] right whatever
but the the problem is the call ends after this takes place so you can't you can't just look at this and go oh what
would make me say oh [ __ ] what would make me say oh [ __ ] and then the phone the phone call ends you have to put
those two things together because that's what took place now of course it could have been some type of accident he could
have fallen into the river the river kills his phone but the other thing just as simple
could be his phone is going to die right the phone is losing its charged it has no battery life left his phone according
to what you can the specs that you can find online has 400 minutes of call time of talk time M we know that this one
phone call the last phone call took up 47 minutes of talk time that's of the whole battery life right there now on
top of that he's had that wasn't a good phone on top of that he's had multiple calls with Mom and Dad before this last
one MH he's also gone to two parties that night I mean this phone is basically a rock with an
antenna he left his home by all accounts around 6:00 p.m. that night so he's been
gone it's now 3 in the morning he's been gone like 9 hours so what I'm getting at
here is car charger though could that's very possible but what I'm getting at here is it's very likely that he could
have been talking and talking and talking pulled the phone away looked at the screen and went oh [ __ ] or got some
kind of notification that he heard on his end but his father didn't hear mhm and goes oh [ __ ] and then the phone goes
dead simply because the battery life ran out the thing here is that doesn't get us any closer to what happened to
Brandon but what I'm getting at is what I think is is so polarizing about that case this case is that phone call where
I think it's just kind of confusing and it's really clouding the whole situation the phone call and him saying
old [ __ ] May mean nothing at all could be something super small something as simple as his phone dying and then
whatever took place took place after he no longer had the use of his phone I do think that there's some type of accident
that took place out there that led to his demise M that he probably did succumb to the elements at some point
that evening and I think it's very likely that he is somewhere in that area that
they've been unable to search for any number of reasons that's 40% of the area I think that's I think that's what
what happened here I think everything that the people that are closest to this case are saying is probably exactly what
happened he wasn't that messed up he just he got disoriented because the area itself is
confusing yeah it's late at night it's not well marked it's it would be confusing for anybody traveling in that
area right he he tried to turn around because he knew had to go an extra mile or two to get to the next intersection
and he was frustrated and upset that he wasn't home already and he just wanted to turn around as quickly as possible
and he ran into the bad luck of getting his car hung up in the ditch and then he
ran into further bad luck of having indicators pointing out to him that he may in fact be where he thinks he
is I think this is just one of those tragic cases and and unfortunately I've heard statements from
his mother and from his sister that are just heartbreaking where his mother says
I'm kind of come to the conclusion that we won't find Brandon in my lifetime and then his sister adds to
that by going I'm starting to think we won't find him in my lifetime yeah and because even if
you take like I said my theory I lean more towards the idea that he ended up in that River well we know what what the
water can do to to bodies and and speed up the composition you know decomposition of the body not to mention
the weather out there being a little more extreme and and um Colder Weather and then it and then also if if you're
right that he is somewhere in this 40% that they haven't been able to search like you talked about you have
farm equipment you have you know a lot of this Machinery that's going to be coming through you have animals you you
have the the weather uh you have all these things stacked up against you to actually find
his remains right and I the thing I want to point out here too Captain is look I'm sure there's a lot of us out
there listening to this and going well whatever happened to Brandon would never happen to me I have GPS on my phone I
have a much different phone than what Brandon had to carry back in 2008 let's let's be smarter than that
let's take this a step further put some things in your vehicle put some safety precautions in your
vehicle flashlights yeah he he might have had some he he may he have but it was a young kid this I think this is
just a this was a friendly reminder to me or an unfriendly reminder however you want to look at it a reminder to me that
it's a good idea to have things like a flashlight first aid kit flares however far you want to take this
thing blankets some people put bottles of water in their vehicle this can happen to any of us and if you're better
prepared you might have a different outcome yeah and even though I I really think my my gut feeling is correct and
then even if it's not correct then I I'd lean more towards the idea okay well maybe he made it out of the water and
now uh we just haven't found him in that that 40% that hasn't been searched I can go with that the one of
the things that really makes me Ponder this case more is the vehicle is left and both
doors are open mhm that doesn't make a lot of sense to me it seems one super strange to me and a bit creepy and scary
at the same time that's the only indicator throughout this whole story that whatever Brandon was telling his father
and his mother that something totally different could have been going on that's the only indicator to me one one
way that I've tried to apply some just very basic logic to why the the car doors would be open obviously if
somebody came along and tried to wanted to steal something or look for something
of value in the car that's an obvious thing right but I also wondered if look they were trying to use lights earlier
in in this whole thing as a way of finding one another by flashing the lights part of me wonders if Brandon
look we know he was a smart guy there's nobody disputing that I wonder if while he's troubl shooting his problem here if
he thought you know what I'm going to head off on foot walking Northwest towards this town yes I'm going to meet
my father there but he's still under the belief at that time that he is in the area of where his father is searching
right so is it possible that he thought I'll take this a step further and leave the car door open or doors open this
leaving on the light inside of the car MH that my father might see so if he doesn't find me at least he finds the
car and I can we can use that as a landmarker to meet up so I I kind of thought that the only thing that that
that makes that punches a hole in that thought and theory is that you think this might have been discussed between
Brandon and his father and it wasn't as far as we know yeah it see that detail to me seems like something that's going
to keep this mystery around for a while right and his father and mother not only
led the search that night and really push to get law enforcement involved as quickly as possible but they've
continued to lead the search for all these years yeah and all missing children cases are difficult I think
there's an element of the fact that you both were get getting up that night to go help him makes it even more difficult
MH well and I hope and pray that his mother and sister are wrong in their thought and their their belief that
they've kind of come to the idea that they may never know what happened to Brandon in throughout their the course
of their lifetime I hope that they're wrong with that the the family this has got to be haunting for them and they've
already kind of come to the idea and somewhat accepted the idea that Brandon's very likely no longer with us
but to have some answers would would be very big for them in this situation now there is a thing today called Brandon's
law and this is because of Brandon's parents Annette and Brian Swanson are responsible for the enactment of
Brandon's law which became effective in Minnesota on July 1st 2009 this law requires Minnesota police
to begin an immediate search for missing adults under 21 as well as older adults
who are missing under suspicious circumstances and Brandon's situation certainly falls into that regardless of
what theory you favor or believe the Swanson have kept the porch light on for their son they have burned through many
light bulbs and the 11 years he has been missing Brian Swanson has acknowledged that the family likely won't find
Brandon alive but they still want to find him there has never been a memorial service for Brandon Brandon's sister is
now married and Brandon now has two nephews which he has never met the Swanson want to know what happened to
their son they say quote you know people don't just vanish Into Thin Air but it sure seems like he
[Music] did all right Captain before we wrap things up this week how about a little
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Jensen you don't have to write that title down though because you can go to truecrime garage.com click on the
recommended page and we will have that title there for you along with other recommendations yeah and I think he owed
us the book because he thought that uh Bob Ruff was going to out drink me but um but like we know like everybody knows
Bob Ruff said good night therefore disqualifying himself and making me the winner of the drinking contest at
crimecon so thank you Billy and thank you Bob for quitting on the drinking contest that's right all right until
next week everybody out there be good be kind and don't litter [Music] [Applause]
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Brandon Swanson /// Part 3 /// 334

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This week we take a deep dive into a fascinating missing persons case. Brandon Swanson went missing in May of 2008. The strangest part of his case, he was on the phone with his father when he vanished. Beer of the Week - Budweiser by Anneuser Busch Garage Grade - 3 out of 5 Bottle Caps

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Brief Summary

Brandon Swanson's disappearance is analyzed, focusing on search efforts, theories, and the emotional impact on his family.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Welcome to True Crime Garage, where we dive deep into true crime stories.
Brandon Swanson Case Discussion. Exploring theories surrounding the mysterious disappearance of Brandon Swanson.
Search Challenges in Missing Person Cases. Discussing the difficulties faced in searching for missing persons like Brandon.
Heartbreaking Family Statements. Brandon's family shares their sorrow and acceptance of his likely fate.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

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Tension

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