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on September 29th when the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 777 according to wealth simple.com this
was the largest single day loss in Dow Jones history up to this point the stock market crashed in 2008 because too many
people had taken on loans that they couldn't afford lenders relaxed their strict lending standards to extend
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[Music] garage [Music] we started off this week discussing the stock market crash of 2008 as it does
play a factor in this week's case but our story starts off nearly 30 years earlier with the birth of a baby boy
Jeffrey Russell Hall was born November 21st 1978 his mother is Joanne Patterson I
couldn't really find anything about his father but Jeff Hall's childhood is not our main focus in the garage today our
Focus will be his adult life in early adulthood Jeff got married to Leticia Neil and the young couple had two
children a boy and a girl their names are Joseph and Shirley Joseph was born June 19th 2000 shortly after the birth
of Joseph and then Shirley Jeff and Leticia split up it was wasn't long after the divorce that Letisha was
pregnant but not with another child by Jeff no Leticia was pregnant with twins by another father the birth of the twins
was successful however in 2003 the two still very young Twins were hospitalized for failing to thrive this resulted in
child protective services stepping in to investigate the whole family and living
situation social workers which by the way may be the sing single most difficult job in America so cheers to
those who do that job and do it well the social workers reported that Leticia and
I'm guessing Captain her new Bose's home had no electricity or gas that seems to
be a reoccurring theme here as of late on our show we spoke a couple weeks ago on our jelik rainwalker episode about
parents raising their own children plus some adopted children in a home with no electric no gas or outdoor Plumbing only
but that was by choice from those parents right the home that we are talking about right now the living
situation that we're talking about right now has those amenities and I'm guessing
that Laticia and her man's home well they just chose not to pay those bills or could not pay those bills and the
people over at the electric company gas company well they shut that [ __ ] off I'm
thinking here that this home only had running water because the good people over at the water company in most areas
won't turn it off even if you don't pay so social workers found poor living conditions for these two children a
filthy house with maggots growing living and even flourishing on dirty dishes throughout the
home yummy yummy mhm the children were not well taken care of in fact they were malnourished the kids were not clean
either they were covered in dirt and worse covered in bruises so we've got to take these
children out of this bad living situation so easy fix right when the biological parents are separated we will
just send the kids to live with and be raised by dad Jeff Hall right well that's going to be wrong because Daddy's
got a drinking problem right Jeff Hall was on probation for driving Under the Influence as a result his two children
were temporary ly placed with their grandmother and then about a year later this would be 2004 by now Jeff must have
cleaned up his act a bit because Jeff Hall was granted full custody of his two children Joseph and
Shirley after Jeff's divorce to his first wife and the mother of his two kids he was in a good relationship with
a woman named Christa McCary and the two did get married and they would go on to have three children
together and it looks like they were all girls So eventually in the hall household we have Jeff and his second
wife Christa his two children Joseph and Shirley from Jeff's first marriage and then Jeff and Christ's three daughters
so a larger family of seven all living Under One Roof it's such a common theme in this country where parents aren't
able to take care of their one kids of the first marriage and then then the second marriage they go on to have more
kids and it's like you couldn't take care of the first set of kids is it the ones that can't that can't take care of
the kids the most tend to have the most kids yeah are you trying to have enough kids so that eventually in like a
Shameless situation they just raise themselves they raise each other yeah or maybe they're just such a great tax
write off well Jeff earned a living and provided for his big family with his job
of course and Jeff is a plumber but then sometime in 2008 Jeff lost his job again
we should keep in mind for those not old enough to have experienced this as an adult but the wicked Triad of the stock
market crash the housing bubble bursting and the massive job loss truly affected
everyone in some shape or form and of course some more than others in this country right as said in the trailer
America America in most areas anyway stopped building houses and a lot of people lost their jobs and some
companies were disappearing well he was a plumber but I think his specialty was new builds right and they really stopped
building houses for years mhm and as said some companies were disappearing so even if you know you're laid off from
your job but then eventually your company that you worked for goes away so that job disappears forever for eternity
and it would take years for a lot of these jobs to return years for the economy to recover right
but a plumber with new builds once the new builds go away you still have the trade of being a plumber and people
always need plumbers right and and he lost his job and when he did he was not finding work and it sounds like this
continued for some time a good deal of time upset by this and in what is just a display of bizarre ignorance Jeff
decided that minorities and Jews were to blame for the thinning job market and his inability to find a job this is
going off of the words of his mother I cannot tell you what influenced him to to decide to join the local Neo-Nazi
movement but he did and her words are that it had to do with his inability to find a job well here's this guy that
look the economy sucks your job is gone you can't find work or or maybe you're not really looking for work so then you
start looking for somebody to blame and and then for whatever reason he's in a situation where there's a
local Neo-Nazi group somehow he not only becomes a part of that he becomes a a thriving member yeah he becomes a bit of
a leader in the local chapter now we mentioned that the unemployment rate peaked at 10%
Nationwide but in Jeff's area in his local area it at one point was as high as 15% those numbers are normally skewed
down so it could be as high as 20 25% for those that don't know and despite really what I think some may think the
neo-nazism is a global phenomenon and it's not something that just is happening or happened in this country
mhm uh but its representation is in other countries as well in fact in many countries and of
course neo-nazis seek to employ their ideology to promote hatred and attack minorities and in some cases create a
fascist State there's probably larger groups found in European countries than than are found in the states and as said
he would grow to prominence amongst these idiots right so he becomes a bit of a he's a leader of idiots right right
he becomes a bit of a leader a vocal guy vocal leader in his local chapter this is for the National Socialist movement
or the NSM and I guess the NSM is the largest Neo-Nazi group in in this country maybe in most countries I I
don't know enough about this to be honest with you here captain it's not something I've spent much time on in my
lifetime reading about when you see some of these meetings they're pretty small and it also looks like the average
person that's attending like it seems like there's some normal people or they appear to be normal and there's other
ones that look like that maybe their parents were cousins um it's it's it's a unique group
I mean it's it's like Walmart at at midnight uhoh that's that that's that's rude to
the to the Walmart people well so he is involved in this group and as said he's a vocal leader
now one thing where he really this really drops on the map where you start seeing this group not just being
involved because they're always involved in these like protest and things like that but you see Jeff's heavy
involvement this starts with a rally near a day laborer site in Jeff's hometown of Riverside California this
was in October of 2009 now at the rally Jeff and the rest of his band of idiots wore World War II era Nazi uniforms you
you know you don't have to use much of an imagination to picture one of those not only did he join this little hate
Club but apparently these members like to play dress up as well well think about how stupid these individuals are
we we can't get jobs we we're we're lazy that's that's how I'm taking it these guys are lazy I know people struggled
through this time but they're protesting day labors guys that would sit on the corner somewhere and hoping somebody
would pick them up to take them to a construction site or whatever instead of protesting maybe you should have been in
that line wa to get picked up to do some work that day well Jeff would travel out
of town and even out of state to join in on these rallies I mean there were there
were at least two that he went to that were out of state I'm suspecting it was was several more and th look this is
really when I question someone's motivations right when somebody is complaining that hey I'm involved in
this or this got me involved in this because I couldn't find work if that's the Genesis of this whole weird hate
club that you're in I don't understand why he's not spending more time out looking for work it seems to be a lot of
time involved with this with his Neo-Nazi group and then also spending money on money that he does not have
right on the on playing dress up with his friends right and basically it's because if I hang out with these losers
I'm the king of the losers so it makes makes my dick feel a little bit bigger it's people giving him an excuse for
this horrible behavior in 2010 Jeff Hall ran for election against an incumbent for the Western Municipal Water District
board as a member of the National Socialist movement Jeff to what I hope is to the astonishment of everyone
listening he received about a third of the vote that's right just a little more and Jeff would have been elected and the
good people of Riverside California would have had a hate fueled racist sitting on the board of Municipal Water
District this when people look at this from the outside looking in especially people in other countries they'll go
that makes sense because America is quote unquote a racist country that this guy managed to get a third of the vote
one problem amongst other problems that we have here in the states is that people and communities pay very little
attention to local elections our voter turnout rate for local elections is is really despicable
right people don't pay attention they don't know what's going on they don't care and therefore they don't vote now
when you have a guy as vocal as Jeff Hall who says hey I'm with this NSM he's preaching to his NSM brothers and
sisters and saying hey get out there and vote for me votee for me because then you're putting one of you on this Board
of Water and actually the board of water there is a decent amount of power that comes with that I won't go too much into
it because I one I don't know a whole lot about it but anybody that has seen one of my favorite shows Goliath season
3 will understand that there is a decent amount of power and responsibility that
comes with this position he did not get elected in March of 20 Hall and his group of about two dozen
white supremists took to the streets in the affluent primarily residential Claremont Los Angeles County sometimes
called the quote city of trees and phds they had a screaming confrontation with counter-protesters of more than 200
immigrant rights activists who who declared the group as racist dozens of officers from several
police agencies were on hand to keep the peace now during this whole three-year time period remember Jeff divorced his
first wife the mother of two of his children Joseph and Shirley years ago and the kids were taken from her his
first wife eventually moved out of the state of California and remarried but in early
2011 she moved back to California and because she did such a great job as a mother the first time she was attempting
to regain custody of Shirley and Joseph in all fairness though people make mistakes people should be allowed the
opportunity to turn their life around and get back involved with their children's lives agreed now according to
Jeff's mother Joanne Patterson she says that little Joseph was a difficult child
he was volatile and at times even violent yeah it said he was kind of a odd duck from the beginning
well this all to the point that Joseph was kicked out of several different schools over the years I saw one report
that said he attended I believe seven different schools I'm guessing he was kicked out of all of them wow uh some of
the more notable offenses committed by Joseph he attacked students he attacked School staff I believe he was accused or
did stab another another child with a pencil and he was even um expelled for choking
a teacher with a phone cord so this is a very violent little child yeah it's the
chicken or the egg though because he was also I guess violently disciplined by his father he was abused is is the way
that I I see this and I don't mean to argue that point but I'm just saying from everything that I read it wasn't a
situation a where Dad gets drunk and mad and starts punching everybody it seems to me like this situation was kid gets
in trouble dad takes the P takes the punishment too far the kid experienced in his still abuse yeah in his 10 years
of life up to this point the kid experienced 20 times that child protective services were called on his
parents and they did not remove the child from the house maybe they didn't find anything wrong going on but usually
where there's smoke there's fire and that's that's 20 calls and the other thing too a lot of
his his behavior and and the the problems that that Joseph has a lot of this stems from something we talked
about a few weeks ago with jelik rain Walker's case it's a very similar situation during the pregnancy with
Joseph mommy and daddy were drinking and using drugs you know Mom was using smack
and drinking alcohol all the time and I understand she's the one carrying the baby dad's just as much to blame he was
using drugs and drinking as well during that pregnancy so they had a real problem with Joseph controlling his
behavior and then it sounds like as the captain pointed out a real hob a real problem with Jeff controlling his
behavior as well the difficult thing with Joseph though is the real problem is not just controlling his actions but
it also seems like the understanding of consequences of his actions his grandmother said that that
Joseph doesn't understand cause and effect and I think that this statement here Captain is a bit more complicated
than just the way it sounds on the surface so Joseph having the inability to comprehend the consequences of of his
actions goes beyond just his failure to understand that he does something bad he
will be held accountable and there will be a punishment for his bad behavior but
also it's his failure to recognize and be able to understand that his actions also have lasting effects and
consequences on others as well meaning he doesn't understand that if he violently attacks someone it's not just
Joseph acting out it's not just Joseph getting that anger and aggression out of his system it is him physically hurting
and causing harm to someone or something his violence can have a real impact can
cause real trauma and can have lasting hurt or damage or even permanent damage or
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we are now at April of 2011 and Jeff's little dress up hate Club well they're getting some media
attention on Saturday April 30th a reporter was on location at Jeff Hall's home this was for the purpose of
witnessing one of their meetings this was a typical Saturday meeting I don't know if they were hosted at every other
Saturday it's my understanding it wasn't every Saturday right but they called this their Saturday meeting hosted by
Jeff at his home at his house and at this meeting his wife and children are present there is some video footage of
small portions of this meeting that are available does not appear that the children were participating in the
meeting they were simply there and can be seen running in and out of the house it's more more like a family Barbecue so
they might not have been participating in the conversations being had during the meetings
but when reporters talk to his mother about how these meetings went down she said look these were these seem like
family barbecues where people are happy to see each other having some drinks grilling out food and and kids would be
running around playing yes that is a part of it but I I want to be clear there is some formalities to these to
these barbecues they they are official meetings and you can see video footage of individuals taking turns standing at
the front of the room addressing the rest of the group her sitting in rows uh hanging on every word of the person
giving their speech at the time well and and I want to be clear though too they're they're not forcing the
10-year-old to sit down and listen to every word but those kids are in that area so they're going to hear all those
words right that's what I mean they're going to hear all this hate speech you can see the children in the video
footage that I saw you can see them running in and out of the house repeatedly opening and closing the
sliding glass door to access the backyard and then to come back in from time to time so you're exactly right
they are hearing ing this and it looks like most of the meeting portion was held in Jeff's living room and following
a round of hate speech they would finish off the get together with a cookout and
then oftentimes games as well the reporter interviewed Jeff and other members of the group and even spoke with
little 10-year-old Joseph who showed off a leather belt bearing a silver Insignia
of the Nazi SS that his father gave to him the article would run in the New York Times in May of 201 the title was
white supremist immigrant rights activist face off in Claremont this would be Jeff Hall's last NSM meeting
you say it's called a NSM National Socialist movement not smart men right or no this is my
favorite no stiff members well in all fairness they were females members as well that's why the
members couldn't have stiff members at 4:02 a.m. May 1st 2011 26-year-old Christa McCary calls 911 yelling into
the phone she explains that her husband has been shot she's reporting her husband 32-year-old Jeff Hall has been
shot in the head there is some audio available online I've only managed to hear a clip of it so not the full audio
file but you can hear Christa yelling and you can also hear what sounds like children crying in the background she
says that her husband has been shot and the shooter was her son Joseph when asked by the operator how
old is your son Christa says 10 and the operator clearly surprised by the answer
or maybe even to the point of believing they did not hear the woman correctly says
again what age is your son and Christa says 10 now if I could Captain I'd like to read for you and everyone else a
police report filed with the County of Riverside Supreme Court of California this was filed May 17th 2011 and I think
this best describes what the police findings were regarding this homicide all right now mind you this is an
official document filed with the court so it does get a little repetitive as you must use names as much as possible
to make it super clear who is doing or saying what well I think me and the listeners are all used to you being
repetitive on May 1st 2011 Riverside PD was dispatched to and the address is redacted in the city of Riverside
California upon arrival Jeffrey Hall was found deceased on the couch with a gunshot wound to the the left side of
his head there were five children ages 10 9 7 3 and 2 months old in the residence along with their mother
Christa McCary those subjects were removed from the residence and transported to the
Magnolia police station for interviews detective Roberta hopwell conducted interviews with four of the five
children obviously the two-month-old was not interviewed during the interviews three
of the four children knew where Christa and Jeffrey kept their gun and the youngest named redacted 3 years old knew
the gun was in the house okay so before we we move on from that Captain let's clear that up what they're saying is
there's five children in the home the one's just a baby we we can't interview the baby but of the four kids that we
did interview three of them knew exactly where the gun was that was used to kill
Jeff Hall located in the home where the parents hid it and the youngest of these
four did not know exactly where it was but knew that there was a gun present in the house MH so it's no secret that
there are firearms in the house and these children know how to some of them know how to access this firearm the
oldest child which is Joseph admitted during the interview that he was tired of his dad hitting him and his mom
now he calls his stepmom mom just to be clear he's known her for for years and Christa really is the closest thing he
has to to a mother she's the acting mother Joseph said that he thought his dad was cheating on his mom and thought
he might have to choose which person he would live with Joseph told detective hope well he knew his mom and dad had a
gun and knew where they kept it Joseph said he went into his mom and dad's closet got the gun which is a Rossy 357
revolver from a low shelf in the closet Joseph said it was right there on the Shelf Joseph told detective hopwell that
he went downstairs with the gun pulled the hammer back aimed the gun at his dad's ear while he was asleep and shot
him Joseph said he went upstairs and hid the gun under his bed that is where the
responding officers did find the gun when they arrived at the house detective Hopewell asked Shirley 9 years old about
the guns that were in the house Shirley described the gun as small and black she
said mom keeps it on the shelf behind the jewelry box she said that all the kids knew where mom kept the gun Shirley
said mom had a small gun and dad had a big one there was also a rifle that was found in that same closet Shirley said
all the guns were kept in the closet she said that she had been Target practicing
with Mom and Dad but was told not to touch the guns detective Hopewell talked to now the name is redacted I don't know
the name of this child but it's the seven-year-old daughter who said she knew mom had a gun in the house and dad
had a gun she said mom kept the gun in her closet where the clothes jewelry and other important stuff are she described
the gun as black and silver she described the gun sitting on a low shelf and this little girl put her hand
up during the interview to about the level of her forehead and said that that is how high the Shelf was so this is a
low shelf in the closet the girl said that dad had a big gun obviously describing the rifle that she saw him
shoot at target practice and that he keeps it in the closet continuing on page two The Residence at again address
redacted was filthy there was dirty clothing on the floors everywhere you couldn't walk through the upstairs rooms
without stepping on clothing on the floor the bedrooms smelled like urine the bedroom mattresses pillows and
blankets were stained and soiled the floors were dirty and didn't appear to have been vacuumed in a long time the
bathrooms upstairs were also filthy officers located the 357 Magnum Revolver under the bed in Joseph's room
officers also located an empty holster on the described lower shelf in the closet of the master
bedroom a bolt action rifle was also found in a locked case on a higher shelf in the
closet there were several edged weapons in the closet of the master bedroom there were also accessible to the
children knives bladed weapons that sort of thing the downstairs was very dirty empty beer bottles were in the area and
National Socialist movement flag in California Republic flag were hanging in the living room a 22 caliber rifle was
located in the garage leaning against a wall accessible to the children the rifle was unloaded there was an unlocked
cabinet in the garage with ammunition approximately 10 ft from the rifle the cabinet contained 22 caliber long rifle
ammunition as well as several edged weapons that were accessible to the children this detective goes on to State
I interviewed Christa about any abuse in the house against the children Christa said Jeffrey has been violent with
Joseph and herself Christa said Jeffrey kicks hits and yells at Joseph more than
the other children Christa said that Jeffrey did these things to punish Joseph Christa said
Joseph would get punished for being too loud or getting in jeffy's way he's kid's getting punished for for pretty
small infractions right Christa said Jeffrey would get out of control when he punished Joseph including punching and
kicking him several times in the back Chris said Joseph would get punished on a daily basis but not always to the
extreme punching and kicking Christa said Jeffrey would also punish the girls but not like he would punish Joseph
Christa said the girls would get yelled at pushed and spanked by Jeffrey for their punishment the detective says I
interviewed Christa about the weapons that were in the house Christa said there were two guns and she knew that
they were registered to Jeffrey the officer says they were not registered to there was no registration located so
they weren't registered to anybody that's what it sounds like or at least based off of 6 days of Investigation
that's what they came up with I don't know what they found after this was filed Christa said there was a rifle
that was kept somewhere in the closet and they also had a black revolver in a holster the black revolver is the one
found under Joseph Joseph's bed used to kill his father Chris said the revolver was located on the lower shelf in the
closet and she admitted that the revolver was on a low shelf where the kids had access to it Christa said that
Jeffrey kept it there so he had access to it Christa said that she did not think the children knew where the gun
was kept obviously we've interviewed four of the five children and had the the youngest child been old enough she
would have known where the gun was as well right cuz three out of the four know exactly where it is and and the
fourth child knows that it's in the house somewhere well this is laziness upon your responsibilities and I I want
to go back to one of the things that you said is when you see the reports there's cameras inside their
home it doesn't seem a mess to me or I agree dirty at all I mean that what you described that's abuse to have your kids
sleeping on piss-filled beds for your house to be that dirty that's abuse that is laziness of your
responsibilities so if you're not even willing to clean up your or help your kids clean up their
bedrooms are you going to really know if the your guns are secured and away from
your children well but what I see here Captain is no attempt to secure the guns it's not like they oh we forgot and this
happened it it just appears that there there's no attempt to really the most most that they're doing to keep these
guns from the kids is to tell the kids don't touch the gun yeah but it's just so weird to me cuz and again I'm not the
reporter but the house doesn't look dirty so the fact that the upstairs is just a disaster area but you have to
believe it I mean it's it's a official report but it's very possible they go oh well we have some a news reporters
coming over we got to clean the downstairs real quick and that's what I think happened and I agree with you that
was what jumped off the page to me immediately I'm like wait a second I just watched video footage now mind you
it's not they're not going around and looking in every crack and crevice of the house two rooms it's two rooms that
you see and you're getting really a you know ey level view of the living room and maybe portions of the kitchen at
times but that's what I thought too I'm like wait a second this this report what
they're reporting here in this court report is from roughly about 12 12 or less than 12 hours later from what was
videotaped right on the day before and I'm like that house didn't look dirty to me and it to be honest with you it
looked fairly clean the the small portions I could see but you're right the the report as it reads is clearly
specifically talking about the upstairs of the house which is not visible in any
part of the video footage that I saw yeah so we go on about we're talking about the inability or the the lack of
caring to secure these guns away from the children it sounds like you know old Jeff wants to have at least this handgun
accessible to him at the quick so in that thought he's not gone a step further to have it available to him but
not to the children or anyone else and the detective does get Christa to admit on the record it says right here Christa
admitted the closet door does not have a lock on it so they don't even have the ability to
lock the closet door to keep these guns from the children to which after that statement the detective says I advised
her that there was so much junk and clothes on the floor that I did not think the closet door could shut Christa
just acted surprised that the children knew about the gun Christa said that Jeffrey did bring the gun out
occasionally and put it on the nightstand for protection Christa said Jeffrey took Joseph target
shooting when they went to a border trip so Joseph knew how to shoot guns the detective goes on to state that the
conditions of the he says apartment which seems confusing to me because it very much it's always described
everywhere else as a house and it looks like a house to me yeah I thought you can see that outside of the house during
the report as well yeah I don't know if maybe it was a duplex or right but but it looks it's a house right we
can agree on that or maybe they're renting the house so that's where the term apartment come from I don't know
the detective says that the conditions were filthy and not sanitary for the four children and infant to live in the
residence was also unsafe with loaded weapons as well as edged weapons readily accessible to all of the children there
appeared to be some abuse of the children by Jeffrey according to Christa although there were no cruises found at
the time of these interviews there have been numerous contacts to this family by
Child Protective Services but most of the allegations were unfounded due to a bitter child custody dispute over Joseph
and Shirley by jeffy's ex-wife that is the official report that was filed for the court system right so we have this
10-year-old that doesn't seem to understand a great deal about cause and effect effect it seems also like he's
been abused by both sets of parents and he's been in situations where the situation becomes abusive being dirty or
PE filled beds and and then his dad becomes the leader of losers and he's constantly probably speaking hate speak
plus speaking about violence towards other people yeah and it's I mean look it's a
we talked about the stock market crash and all of the the bad practices and Mis dealings that were going on behind the
scenes that really led to that where you see something that hey this is inevitable there is going to be
something bad that will come of this that's the same thing with Joseph he's born with behavior issues and
disabilities because Mom was using and drinking during the pregnancy he's a victim day one on this planet on the Big
Blue Marble and then he's raised by a guy that can't control his actions right you're trying to you're trying to teach
this kid to learn about consequences learn cause and effect learn to behave learn to control your actions but yet
the the father in the household every time he gets mad or see something or hear something he doesn't like it's a
smack or it's a whack or it's a yell it's the father using violence to solve his
problems does not teach the child to do anything different right it's a very lazy way of trying to discipline the
child and on top of that you have again these children are born with these lazy parents and then the parents continue to
have more children it's like you're you're too lazy to one take care of yourself let alone take it care of a
child that you brought into this Earth and now you're going to have five of them to take care of it's ridiculous
and you you also have a man who is preaching that there are masses of people out in this world that are lesser
than you that are not equal to you to a 10-year-old does he even identify that what that
means does what is his understanding of all this hate speak that's going on and look when the camera was
on it I mean it it didn't sound super crazy super violent stuff that they were preaching right but who knows once that
camera was off what kind of talk was going on was this man screaming about genocide right right but these
were let's not get it twisted what they were saying was uncomfortable to hear if
I heard that in public I'm be the first one to say you need to shut your mouth you don't know what you're talking about
you know I mean uncomfortable to hear I'm sorry go ahead what I'm saying is in their meetings what they're talking
about is it's still hate speak they might not be saying we're going to go around killing every agreed yeah 100
yeah I'm I'm not confused about that right what I'm saying is it's speak that I wouldn't stand for whether it's in
somebody else's house or in public but yeah I'm wondering how far does it go when the cameras aren't there I mean we
have we have a lot of things going on and and again we're getting the perspective of a 10-year-old but he
saying some pretty scary things to the detectives when he's being interviewed look this
this statement by Joseph is terrifying he's told police that a few days before the shooting his
father Jeff threatened to remove all of the smoke detectors in the home and set the house on fire while the family is
sleeping right that's horrifying if that really happened that is a horrifying thing for a child to hear and then let's
times that by 10 because it's your own father saying that to you or to your family this is this child is telling
police and detectives that he is being hit and kicked by this man and he's also witnessing his mother who technically is
his stepmother but to him it's his mother being abused by this man as well hit and he even describes that a few
days before he shoots his father that that Jeff threw a glass or or a beer bottle or something of that nature at
Christa cutting her on her face and I find it interesting that in that report he
says he kind of feels like there is a divorce that's going to there's going to be a split up that's going to happen
between Mom and Dad he's going to have to go choose who he lives with you almost wonder he's old enough to know
and understand that Christa is not his biological mother that maybe he won't get a choice he'll be stuck with this
piece he's a [ __ ] loser the guy that he's scared of he's afraid of his father his father was de good hand and his and
his father pissed it all way and was lazy and didn't work hard and then wants to point the finger at everybody and
wants to blame everybody in other cultures and other religion and people of other colors are all to blame but
himself he's not he's blaming everybody but himself and this weak minded piece of [ __ ] then
takes it out on children and his wife that shows you how big of a loser this guy was of course if he's if he's
blaming masses of people for his for his failures of course he's blaming his own
family behind closed doors for those failures as well or for his own unhappiness yeah and he strikes out and
lashes out at them like like a like a child would like a like a like a infant throw or a toddler throwing a temper
tantrum that just shows that all their their hate speech and all their rhetoric is nonsense I mean these people that go
well we just want to protect the white race you don't want to protect the white race you don't even want to protect your
own children they're sleeping in pee filled beds you're protecting your children you massive pile of [ __ ] of
course Joseph was arrested he was taken to uh juvenile juvenile hall the other four children were taken into protective
custody this is because Christa was later arrested and charged with criminal storage of firearms and child neglect
look he I'm for people owning guns but the most important part of owning Firearms is being a
responsible owner of firearms and understanding that you you are responsible for that gun at at all times
right no matter where it is no matter where you are you are the one that needs to conceal that and keep it locked away
from a child this this boy regardless of his problems even regardless of the abuse that's going on let's set that all
aside but this kid knew where this gun was and when he talks to police he clearly you can blame this on his age
you can blame this on his disability you can blame it on everything Under the Sun but when he's talking to
detectives he's saying things that are clear that he does not understand the consequences of putting that Gun and
shooting his father behind the left ear at zero range at near zero range he shot
this man right he says to detectives I just wanted to I just thought I would teach him a lesson I just thought that I
I would teach my father how it feels to be hurt and maybe he would learn something from this and we could be
friends again he also asked the detective how many lives does a person get he in some other questioning he says
to says about his father I I hope we can be friends again uh if he's not dead he
doesn't understand what he did or what's going on and and guns and ammunition readily available to to a child of that
age very very dangerous yeah partly that's disability but also that's partly his age the yeah but but also the lack
of responsibility that his parents took upon themselves it's just like if you saw a 10-year-old that didn't know how
to ride a bike you don't blame the 10-year-old for not knowing how to ride a bike the parents never took the time
to try to teach the child so the fact that this kid never had maybe never had a conversation on a on life and reality
and anything right but this is a whole different story maybe not even a story story at all if they would have bothered
to just lock up the guns now Joanne Patterson Jeff Hall's mother and Joseph's grandmother she was given temporary
custody of the other four children on a interview that she did with 60 minutes she said that she was not surprised that
Joseph killed his father but she expected it would not have happened until her grandson was much
older on Jan uary 14th 2013 Joseph Hall despite his age at the time of the killing was found to be
responsible for Jeff Hall's death Joseph was sentenced to a Juvenile Detention Facility until he reaches the age of
23 he is eligible for parole at the age of 20 Joseph turned 20 years old in June
of this year so then again it becomes the conversation of chicken the egg and as far as 10year olds or or I guess
young children committing violence against their parents that would end in death
there's not that many cases it seems like there's multiple reports that I've seen where it's like nine 10 year old
since 1980 and then I've seen also reports where it's like this happens roughly once a year but I thought something that
was kind of of telling from the grandmother was that she suspected that her grandson would eventually kill his
father it just would happen later in life yeah I mean so let's let's analyze that for a second I I take her statement
to mean possibly a couple things maybe it's her opinion that this boy Joseph was was
violent and misbehaved and misunderstood the world from day one and it never changed and it never changed when he was
five when he was seven when he was 10 years old it never changed and he was violent enough that that she believed
you know it's difficult when you analyze her statement because you go does does that mean she believed he would kill
someone or or specifically kill his father right at some point in his life you also have to wonder is she deflating
the blame that that you could put on the victim here and that's what's very difficult in the telling of this story
and even when you hear interviews by the family of Joseph of Jeffrey Hall and Joseph Hall you have a situation where
look the victim is not likable the the victim is is talking about some pretty disgusting and disgraceful things and
teaching them to his children likely definitely teaching them to not only his children but other children and it's
hard because you don't want to victim blame somebody and again the problem with death in this case is This
Racist bastard you can't write his wrongs either because he's dead so there's there's no change in him now yeah but
then on the on the flip side of things would he have gotten worse and would he have made this small group of
small-minded individuals would he have made them stronger and would they have caused harm and would it have gone from
not just protesting and hate speech to actually criminal activities against other people and you wonder if it's just
a better world now because he's not here well it's exactly the same thing that we
talked about a few weeks ago when we were talking about the 1995 article written by criminologist John delulio
where he's discussing look when you raise children in a in a terrible environment that is filled with with
hate or neglect or or violence this is what you're teaching them to become right they they they F
they become one of those three things where they either neglect their own children or they grow up to become
violent and you start to see that violence lashing out to others in the communi in the early ages of even
teenage years and with with Joseph again it's a difficult situation Captain because his
statements to police clearly show to me he does not understand the ramifications
of his actions or anything that he did that night it doesn't it doesn't make it that he should not be punished right and
I say that because what you're doing is you're creating a dangerous situation for the public if you continue to allow
this child to to live in a community you're you're putting everybody else in danger because of that and
hopefully hopefully he was young enough when he went into the system and look I'm going to get attacked for this
because there's not a lot of people that like the system I don't blame you not I'm not cheering on the prison system
here but what I am hoping for in Joseph's case is that he can live in an environment that has clear rules that
are black and white that there are no gray area there is no father smacking punching kicking him there is no father
overreacting and beating him up over something that this child is able to live in an environment where there are
clear-cut rules that there's some form of Education that he can get and maybe he can live in an environment where he
can be rehabilitated and he can move on from this at some point because we are already at a point where parole is is a
discussion for this young man yeah it's really interesting because when he asks the
question how many lives does my father get it's very clear that the child doesn't understand what it is to be
human but clearly his father believing that there's some kind of superior race or that we're
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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the 2008 stock market crash and the tragic shooting of Jeffrey Hall by his son Joseph amid a backdrop of family abuse and Neo-Nazi involvement.

Key points

The 2008 Stock Market Crash. The largest single-day loss in Dow Jones history occurred on September 29, 2008.
Jeff Hall's Troubled Childhood. Jeff Hall's early life was marked by instability and family issues.
Rise of a Neo-Nazi Leader. Jeff Hall became a vocal leader in the National Socialist Movement.
Joseph's Troubling Background. Joseph's behavioral issues stem from a troubled upbringing, including parental substance abuse.
A Shocking 911 Call. Christa McCary calls 911 reporting her husband has been shot by their 10-year-old son.
The Condition of the Home. The police report describes a filthy home environment, raising concerns about child welfare.

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