A Conversation With Rachel Stavis, A Real Life Exorcist | Morbid | Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and I'm Rachel and this is a special episode of
[Music] morbid [Music] wo W woooo guys we have Rachel stavis on the show today Rachel is a this is a
long list a world-renowned Exorcist she has written multiple books created the backstory for Laura Croft Tomb Raider
and really you're kind of just like an all-around badass so welcome oh well thank you that's like the best you could
get okay good I'm glad I really worked on it yeah and you know it's funny because
we were just talking about this before we started recording but this is really exciting because I just came across
Rachel on Tik Tok like one of your videos just popped up on my fre you page I immediately was drawn to it watched
the whole thing and was like oh immediate follow and then I just started like every time you would come up I was
like oo like yes like awesome and then we just like I think somehow we came together and was like oh she should come
on the show and I was like hell yeah like it was such an organic yeah coming together it felt so cool yeah and like I
I think I'm so terrible at Tik Tok so that was very validating for me what you just you're great at TI we love your
videos I'm like I try I don't know what I'm doing I'm just like following like Sinister Pond babe and that's it that's
what same we have been shouting the Praises of sinister P babe for months F the funniest person alive I am obsessed
with Sinister pom so good we do Impressions all the time and we are not so good at them constantly saying that's
Sinister bab it's given dark sided it's given dark sided every time there's a new one I'm
like I have to watch it as soon as I see it every time y every time if we're in the room together elen's like oh new
one I swear that's me that's totally me I'm like oh my God I love it so if you guys want we can kind of
Dive Right into everything we have a ton of questions for you Rachel so hopefully
that is okay yes I'm ready awesome all right amazing our first question for you is can you basically just give us like
kind of an overview about what being an exorcist means to you sure yeah so oh my
gosh uh let's see I've been doing this work well kind of in secret for a while for over 10 years now wow in Los Angeles
uh I work on everyone from I don't know like Oscar winners and heads of studio and rock icons like you if you can think
of them they've probably been here let's just put it that way but I don't out that's so cool I never say who um but
yeah and and basically what I do you know is exorcism work it's it really is what it is it's taking entities out of
people and places that's what I've been doing here forever I love it how did you discover
that this like was your unique talent that you had yeah so um ever since I was a kid I could see entities with my eyes
and I you know would complain about like monsters under the bed or monsters in the closet like one does but they real
you know and then parents would come in and be like there's nothing there go to bed like you're keeping me up so for me
they just never went away like I always could see them and I didn't know that that was weird when I was a kid because
like how would you know right so talked about it I talked about it at school I talked about it home
like you IDE by the way like worst idea ever so I found out very quickly that that's crazy and lunatic and you don't
do that so you know I believed that wholeheartedly because there's I don't know when you're a kid everything's so
weird and awkward and so I didn't want more weird and awkward things about myself so I just listened and I didn't
talk about it ever again like it went to the Vault and uh I had I always say like
you know how people talk about they had like some life-changing event and then now they're like can see spirits or
whatever right that was totally not me I I was able to kind of drown out the sight a bit uh until I hit like 30 and
then I had a fender bender not like the life changing thing that you but it was like one stresser too
many and a week full of stressors and so suddenly my site was blown open and I couldn't suppress it at all anymore and
like you know the unhoused person on the street like screaming I was seeing who they were screaming at or what they were
screaming at entity was just everywhere and I you I I thought basically like I'm
either gonna have to check myself in or figure out why I have this like what is this what is this thing so I always joke
like I sat down with a bottle of scotch and was like okay Spirit people like tell me let's dive into this I love that
here's my offering right and you know many scotches later here we are but I I just kind of learned to open myself up
more instead of closing everything down and in doing so I communicated with spirit with the good things right that
we want and just started working on people and friends at first and who would just let me and you know there
were a lot of uh issues that you don't think about when you see movies about exorcisms like you know if you put five
candles on the ground you're gonna kick them over and start a fire at some point
you know so I started a lot of fires and did a lot of things wrong and hoped that
people would bear with me and so then they would have a good experience and share it with somebody else and and it
just was so Word of Mouth for so long that's the best way to go about things though like Word of Mouth travels so
quickly and then make make sure you have just people beating down your door at this
point yeah well I never thought it would get so public I just thought well I could do
this nobody's gonna care yeah right that's not the case because what because that's what it is it's like when people
are saying their personal experiences with something like this it's like that's the most valuable thing you can
have is people telling other people being like I did this is real this worked I did it yeah that's true that is
true and these were people that people respected I think too and so that goes a long way oh absolutely did you feel
lighter once you kind of started leaning into it after suppressing for so long honestly yes yeah yeah I could imagine
you know it really sucks to not Embrace parts of yourself all parts yourself like you don't have to be an exorcist to
feel that you know absolutely and we do that so often to like not be ridiculed or not be judged
or whatever and I even had like a manager at the time I'm not my manager anymore who was like you can never tell
people you do this because I'm a writer as well that's like my job so you cannot
tell you can't go public with this you can't tell people you do this don't tell people in meetings like and I was like
oh okay but then eventually you know that catches up with you and you're just like this is who I am if you don't want
to work with me don't work with me absolutely yeah I'm not going to hide this part of myself just to appease
people right you make yourself small for people like so many people do that we just like make ourselves so small to
make other people feel safe and that's not cool I'm not doing that anymore I'm old for that [ __ ] now yeah leaning in
and it's funny that you said it happened when you were like 30 cuz I always say to as I always tell her I'm like
something about 30 I just hit it and I was like why am I doing like why am I making myself for other people like like
I need to I need to be comfortable with everything I am it was like I hit 30 and
I was like whatever can't wait for that true it's so true you do like you just don't care anymore and honestly the
older you get I feel the less you give a [ __ ] about others people's opinions at
all you hope for the best but you know but the worst at the end of the day it's like it's none of my business what they
think of me like that is fine exactly exactly it's so funny that it like coincided with that it's so true and the
I I also say that you know when you are high frequency you know how there are online like gurus that always tell you
like you got to love everybody and you got to forgive everybody and you know everything's the same
and not true that is not true like the the more high frequency you actually get the less tolerance you have for [ __ ]
like you just don't want it around at all that makes sense I feel like I'm nearing that The Closer I Get to 30 I'm
27 now and I can see like every year the less and less an that I have for I love
that for you true cuz it really does like once you get to that place of just being like Oh no like I don't give a
[ __ ] you don't like me you don't like me like that's fine we don't have to interact that's cool as long as I like
me that's what's good yeah as long as I like me and the people I love and respect like me then like that's it yeah
like my whole thought process is like as long as my little bubble likes me and I
like me then like we're good we're in the clear yeah we're good exactly totally agree with that yeah now it
obviously it's spooky season we're we're all excited about that you know sa we we
did a whole history on that I think it was like a couple years ago yeah um and during the Autumn months that's when the
veil is the thinnest and I've actually learned specifically from you on Tik Tok that right now it is currently the
thinnest like this is wild and I think you said it's from here until like sometime in November so for people who
don't even know what the veil is can you kind of tell us a little more about that
what the veil is why it might be the thinnest right now I'm so excited for this question and this answer yeah so
the veil is you know between our world and you know the spirit world that's kind of a big world you
know that's high beings you know that's deceased people it's a whole lot of stuff on the other side um and right now
it's the it's been in years and there's a lot of reasons for that it's so part of being able to read negative energy I
guess like my side effect is that I can read when energy shifts in the world so I always try to warn people about it and
good stuff too like oh this is a really good time for you to be able to manifest
things this is a bad time for that you know don't do that whatever like just stay home and like you know sleep for
five days um right so right now the it's the thinnest because there's a lot of uh
negative activity on the planet just a ton a ton of negative activity on the planet really kind of I mean we don't
even need to get into it everybody knows yeah um and then uh the flip side of that is there are a lot of people more
interested in connecting that makes sense both of those things work together to kind of thin energy out so it's like
a there's a reach going on if that makes sense like reach across to each other absolutely and so the negative part of
that it well depends on how you feel I guess but the negative part of that most people feel is that there's a lot of you
know not so nice energy trying to come through so you'll get like visitations from entities you'll get um you know
more stuff kind of like I've been getting a lot more of my name called huh it's like out I'll hear it and a lot
of people have been experiencing like oh I just heard my name and there's nobody
here and different voices of that that's so interesting and a lot of like stuff moving around so like doors
closing you know just you thought your keys were here somehow they were here that kind of stuff that's so that's
really fascinating actually because we've had like some stuff going on in our family and with my parents they're
good now but like we had some stuff going on the last few weeks and we were in their house which is the house I grew
up in and it's very old house there was always stuff going on in there when we grew up like nothing ever seemed
threatening or bad it was always just like innocuous things but we've been in there kind of cleaning and help organize
and stuff and I specifically and this has never happened to me I've never heard voices in that house I've never
heard anything like that and it's funny because I have yeah and I never have but
I was I was like I believe you you have I just never experienced it myself M and
I was in one room cleaning and Ash was in room across the way on the upstairs floor and at one point I heard a woman's
voice go hello and it was like clear as day and I was like what was that so I was like ash did someone just come in
the door like our sister or something and she was like what are you talking about and I was like I just heard
somebody just yelled hello like they came in the door and she was like I did not hear anything no one came it was
just the two of us and I was like that was so clear like what what you were shook by it I was like shook by it and I
kind of pushed it aside I was like okay that was weird and then the other day we
went into the house again to talk to my parents totally different area of the house we were in the room me Ash both my
parents and they all saw me look to the left cuz I was like someone's talking over there like it was like a man's
voice talking on my left and I couldn't figure out what they were saying but it was like so clear and I was like what is
going on like why am I suddenly hearing this right like okay that's a perfect because this has technically been thin
since like September 15ish but the Halloween is the thinnest yeah right so don't people don't do
stupid things please don't do stupid things on Halloween that's all I'm asking put your Ouija boards away people
like you know you know those Conjuring games that people love to play that they're just like scared and then I'm
always like what's the plan if it comes through like what are you GNA do what you do where do we go from here he's
have a plan yeah yeah but yeah it's so crazy that you're experiencing that because like even
people and and I don't think this is true of you I think you all are very sensitive but like there are people who
are like walking around like boards they're not sensitives at all like you unconscious and they're say oh I just
heard this I just heard this that makes so much sense it is crazy that really that was like so validating when you
started talking about like voices I was like okay like I'm not losing it that's nice to know
well I get that all the time in in my house my house was built in 1936 and um it's so loud here sometimes
like at 2 three in the morning it always like once a month at least someone's having a party in the living
room going on so we now have a like a code for it in the house uh we call it the anti- Whispers I don't know if
you're like Over the Garden Wall fans oh I love that yeah there's like a character called anti Whispers so we're
always like oh it's anti Whispers again just like I love that I love that so much
that's amazing just going for it damn just like popping off at 2 am good for them yeah you wake up and you're like oh
okay cool thanks like okay have a good time I guess welcome I guess yeah like so loud rude yeah well you you use the
term and we've heard it a couple times while talking to you right now um entities rather than like what people
might think of you know or something right um and in your book sister of darkness which by the way is an amazing
title I love that immediately I was like oh grab that book uh you talk about entities like you know the Clive a
wraith tricksters realm Walkers collectors can you kind of give us a little bit of the differences what those
things are what their differences are and kind of how you approach each one if you approach them differently sure yeah
so you know let let's just be clear too like deceased people and entities or or what people call demons are not the same
thing makes deceased people are just deceased they people they're dead right just everything else is like not been
people they hav an experience that different different lifestyle and it shows so cves are the lowest like if you
will on the malevolence branch and intelligence um there are things that people pick up quite often I call them
cves very scientific I call them cves because to me they look like Clive Barker drawings so I've just always
called them sort of like something between like a brain and a face hugger know if you can picture I can as
soon as you said that I was like oh I don't want one of those and they're the easiest to pick up
unfortunately um they're they're like the smallest and the easiest to pick up and people when they think about
attachment or possession they think about movies right like yeah oh it's like everything is going to hell really
fast and you know very obvious that's not how entity Works normally so like with Clive's for
example it's like they attach they're very small they come in they don't want you to know that they exist they're very
quiet you know it's not it's very Insidious I guess is what I'm saying yeah that makes sense a lot of people
have lives it's very easy to pick up so I would say I don't even know now like 85% of the population is walking around
with a cve and they don't even know not to be but like I feel like I definitely have a CLI or too well the the word the
name Clive is like so innocuous sounding that when you're like you know you're just walking it's not you know he's just
there just hanging out it what it does is it's it's an amplifier so like if you're sad you're depressed if you're
depressed is the worst you know if you're angry you have rage and it just works like it's a and it feels really
big but it's actually very small and very easy even for people to get rid of okay like they'll walk around with it
and then get rid of it without even realizing oh wow wow so you can just drop they kind of like jump to the next
person well like the if you work on yourself even a little bit and you you raise your vibration a little bit like
you've had I don't know like six really good days in a row sure or you're like trying to be positive or you're trying
to be like really nice to people for whatever your deal is or you meditate six days like it'll pop off I love that
that is cool yeah yeah so CES are kind of like you just have to kind of recognize that something is a myth yeah
and just try to rectify it a little bit within yourself okay exactly like they're the leeches of the the community
let's say you know they they're just trying to feed they're just not it's just they're just there yeah you know
it's it's not personal yeah just trying to sap your your energy go exactly so you start to starve
him out they're like on to the next that makes sense all right I get that but then of course it goes up from there
right like wraith attachments are attachments that people get that are associated with night terrors and sleep
paralysis oh I've sleep paralysis and night teror since you had night terrs when I was little so that you know you
know not to get into anything because we're not going to point anything out publicly
here our business erog right that there's two ways or well three ways to get that so either you're
in a house around someone who has it and you're an extra sensitive kind of empathic
person or something sexual happened to you when it shouldn't so people get that from um you
know unfortunately mestation and all kinds of terrible things um or even abusive part part ners sometimes you'll
get that from abusive partners and then the last way you can get that which is the most rare but it does happen and
I've seen it a lot of times here in my practice if you will um lineage rates so it came down through someone in the past
who had an encounter and it's just hung around that one feels like right because
we have a long line of people who have also dealt with the same thing and I've always been like oh okay like yeah
that's interesting and my kids had a few bouts of Night Terrors like pretty early
on and then they went away right and I was always like oh no did I pass this down something I could do you confronted
it head on and was like you were like you're not welcome here yeah I just kind of was like this isn't happening for you
guys so like I'm going to take cuz they they they had like night terrors like the night terrors where you know they're
awake but not awake and they're just kind of upset and we would just sit there and like kind of hug them until
they were calmed down my poor husband had no idea what was going on because he had never experienced it when he was
younger it's usually maternal it is all almost that makes sense wow my mom had the same thing going on so that makes a
lot of sense because they would then they woke up one night we've told this story on the podcast before so listeners
have heard it but uh I one night they woke up and they were so upset the two of them I have seven-year-old Twins and
they were saying that a group of people came in their room and were trying to cut their sheets with scissors and I was
like that is the scariest [ __ ] I have ever heard in my life but in my head I was like all right there you can't react
to this like how you want to in your head right now and start screaming and crying just run out of the house right
now so I was like all right I got to take charge of this whole thing and I was like I don't want them to go through
these like I did so I was like all right so I was like where are they are they still here and they were like they're
right there and they pointed into the hallway and I was like how did you okay and I was like my husband literally was
like no that's on you like he was like I'm not nope he's like this is a you problem he just stood in the corner and
was like ah I don't see anything it's okay and I'm like it's so I was like all right so I walked into the into the
hallway where they said they were and I just stood there and I was like are they
here and they were like Yep they're right there and I was like you guys are freaking out my kids this is mean this
is our house that is their room those are their sheets you can whatever you're doing is not welcome and like it's rude
and I don't appre apprciate it and we can all live together if you're not being [ __ ] but you're being [ __ ]
and I was like cut it out and then I was like okay you feel better never happened
again they never had another night terror they never saw another thing awesome and like also my guess is that
you all are high empaths which means that you feel everything and so when you're a high empath another thing that
comes through is a lot of deceased people a lot of deceased people will come through because deceased people
love to talk they're very chatty like they they do not shut up to see people and so if they can feel that
someone's a high empath even if you don't know it or even if you're like nope don't want that or whatever they
try to come through so it's very possible too that your children are high empaths and like I could see that
defitely wants to come through and like talk to them or see them and they're not
necessarily ready for that either so it's scary you know not the way to do it yeah don't
make about why you doing that like oh my God it was so specific that was the thing I was like wow you
really just that was too specific for when it comes from your kid when it comes when anything comes out of a
child's mouth it's always like the scariest thing possible yeah always because you're like I know you're seeing
it yeah like yeah I guess so yeah and they're like so open about saying it where adults even if they saw it were
like I'm not telling anybody that see that right I'm not saying it but they're just like at The Breakfast Table being
like you know what I saw last night it was wild and like this is creepy I want to run screaming into the night but I'm
not going to do that but I'm like it's fine like our youngest remember skeletone skeletone oh yeah she said she
saw she saw a skeleton but her little voice would call him skeleton and she said he was a nice guy and he
just hung out and smiled at her and she she wasn't even that scared of him and then she was like I was like do you see
him anymore I just asked her once and she was like no he wanted to see his family and I was like oh okay and then
he just never came back I was like I hope he did go to see his family yeah good for him well you know what's cool
about kids too is that well lots of things I guess but they're very connected to spirit because they're the
closest to Spirit you know the older they get the less connected because we kind of well maybe not anymore hopefully
but when I was a kid like people definitely were like that's not real so you stop know opening yourself up to
Spirit but one of the things that's really great about kids is that they trust what they feel yeah yeah instead
of what they see because oftentimes deceased people come in and even for adult people that's
too scary they don't want to look at it or they'll come in kind of half formed or they'll come in kind of looking weird
or whatever yeah and the immediate response is that's scary shut it down but kids are like well he looks like a
skeleton but he feels real good so like he's nice he's nice it's all right yeah he's smiling so I'll go with it yeah it
makes sense I used to see so much more stuff when I was a kid but then I could tell I was scaring people so I was like
okay maybe this is bad yeah yeah exactly yeah so it's nice when you kind of keep
it going for kids and I think more parents are a bit more spiritual now and are like seeing like tell me about it oh
does it feel about you know yeah like asking more questions instead of just being like no no like just ask a little
more better to lean in exactly yeah exactly absolutely and what about Trickster sound I don't know about that yeah
scared about that tricksters are the ones that form symbiotic relationships with their person because they stick
around so Trier is a little more malevolent because they're like yeah you can see what you want to see so I've had
clients who you know had imaginary friends you know that felt not good um they had uh Arch angels with them I had
a few clients who thought they had like Genies with them oh wow that's cool from
childhood I had one client who was I think in their 30s who was like there's a horse with me what horse because they
usually latch on in childhood and then keep going okay so wouldn't you think you know differently yeah and I had I
can't this is so weird to say well I guess all of this is weird to say right but like nothing's weird here weird for
me like I've had more than one client come in and be like archangel Michael is attached like goes with me everywhere we
go everywhere together wow and I'm just like okay and so to me when I see a trickster with my eyes they always look
the same they don't look like whatever they're presenting to this person they just kind of look like I
don't know like um it's so hard to explain but like like very tall very dark figures
o so it always looks the same I'm not seeing the hor or Archangel Michael or what you know
the grandpa or whatever whatever it is so I'm like try I try to be respectful about it because you know we're having a
conversation I like to have a conversation with people about what they feel is going on and so that I'm like
okay so but how's your life going and they're like oh it's a [ __ ] show horrible thank you for out of 10 don't
recommend and I'm like well okay so how do I explain so you know if you had AR Angel
Michael with you at all times yeah but yet your life is reflecting [ __ ] show right maybe not Archangel Michael and we
should take that out yeah like maybe he's just trying to make you think he's Archangel Michael right exactly and how
they do that is they can again this is like wild scary sounding [ __ ] but I'm I'm so used to it I'm like oh here's how
oh we love we're like let's go yeah we're into it they they can kind of pull something
out of your mind so they scan your mind basically wow and pull something you want out of it so I've had situations
where I had a situation where I worked on um one particular like Rockstar and I've actually worked on
several and they always think it's the same entity like they they'll see something in their mind and be like this
is what I have with me and I'll be like okay because it's like a famous you know
like demon like from pictures like they'll be like oh I have this demon this demon is the demon I
wanted I bought him at the store yeah exactly and I'm like okay and I'll just be like it's really not that but let's
just take it out you know like I won't even get into it I'll just be like you do okay let's take it out yeah it'll be
a trickster it's a trickster then they'll be like okay cool and I whenever I take something out of people I also
give them homework because we need to keep the energy up right so so doesn't happen again how entity attaches in the
first place is it's all energy so you know we are energy stuff is energy everything's energy and we're walking
around life with what I call a baseline frequency and so that's you know how we interact with ourselves how we interact
with the world how conscious we are like how do we talk to ourselves all that stuff matters so like I don't know if
you're walking around like if if it's a scale of 1 to 10 and one is dead and 10 is Buddha you know most people like four
yeah you you're doing good if you're out of four giving it your best go hanging in out of
four it may not be great but you're like you're there you're here so when we work
on ourselves we can raise that vibration we can raise that frequency but it takes
time so it's not fast it's like okay I'm I'm gonna do this every day and like try
to do better yeah you know great but when we go through a trauma that Baseline frequency takes an immediate
hit and since we don't really believe in this in our society we don't know how to
handle that like spiritually like we barely know how to function through that yeah
accurate so when that happens unfortunately that's kind of a double-edged sword we're in low
frequency space and here's this low frequency thing that wants to attach and so that's kind of how it happens yeah
whenever someone leaves here because we have to take that trauma signature out of the body as well as the entity out of
the body so that we can raise that vibration for you so you're not just going to attract other things right
away and so there's homework right so we want to keep that energy clean and Rising so whenever I've worked on people
in the past and I've done all the work and I've given them homework especially people that affect a lot of other people
so very famous like people who affect a lot of people people I'm like oh please please do the do the
homework do it but with a few people in particular they would come back like a month later
and be like well this demon came back I don't know do the homework definitely didn't do the homework and then I'm
looking at it and it's not the same trickster interesting but because they're they stayed in the place that
they were energetically and it scans the brain it was like oh it's me again hi oh
yeah it just knew exactly what to present as but it's just a different guy that makes sense but it's not because
when I take them out I don't give them the opportunity to keep going you know it's like it's gone it's gone poo
done done then I'm looking at this and I'm like oh my God here we go again like like I'm GNA put your name on the board
you did not do your homework I'm not helping you next time yeah exactly like I'm putting up like you passed a bad
check you're not allowed in here you can't come back in you're on the Red List welcome anymore God not until you
change your ways seriously one and You' think once you get like an entity removed from you and someone like you
like a professional is telling you like you should do this to like make sure another one doesn't come in you think
that you'd be like uh yeah I'm going to do that and I'm going to do more like I I was going to say You' like research
even more on a journey to make sure that doesn't come back yeah like some people are not ready yeah
like they think that gives them something like that's what gives me creativity or that's what makes me write
good sign that's what makes me whatever it's like that's not no true it's like the tortured artist special
yeah yes exactly and they're making you think that they're that you need them right to do that stuff right it's total
BS and like yeah I can explain that forever but it doesn't necessarily matter if you're not ready to let it go
you're not ready and the funny well I don't know if funny is the right word but like you know let's say I have an
actor in here and you know okay we go through all of these processes to take this out and you have all the homework
and he's like got it I'm gonna do all this I'm gonna do all this and you don't hear from them again so you're like okay
cool cool cool they're doing it then you go see their latest movie and you're watching it and you see the entity oh
wow and you're dude oh my God that's crazy so you can even see things attached to people in TV shows and
movies yep and photos wow is that really distracting for you is it hard to enjoy
like media yeah it's so distracting it's the one that's the one thing I I can't get over yeah right like I'm like H I'm
trying to stay in in the moment with the story and all this and then I just keep
seeing this thing and like if it's a horror movie I can kind of play it into the background right
there nobody's acknowledging him that's fine yeah it's fine interesting but if it's like some kind of like Hallmark
movie or something oh my God and to think about seeing that in a Hallmark movie wow the stark contrast there wow
happens totally happens because it's wholesome entertainment not so wholesome a person guess you're watching this girl
fall in love with a guy who ends up being Santa Claus's son of course and there like and you're like
oh my God God that's so wild but then there's more right like there are there's uh what are I love these names
to these last two names are so ominous to me realm Walkers yeah the worst to the worst o that sounds bad realm
Walkers are the worst of the worst they can um attach to people and spaces oh um
they're what people I would con like from my point of view consider the devil oh wow so they're the movie style
entity uh they can carry spaces and I think they're much more dangerous in spaces than they are in people I think
the any entity that carries spaces is much more dangerous because they're more malevolent more intelligent and can do
more because they can hold spaces right with realm Walkers they're they can do anything and
entity below them can do plus um and they can attract people can influence people from miles and miles
and miles away and in masses wow yeah they're pretty spectacular um and they can affect people in the space
dozens of ways so they can they obviously feed off of high high foot traffic it's always high foot traffic
areas so things that a lot of people go through because the ultimate goal is to feed from people yeah so in a space you
know um and I talk about in the book like the Cecil hotel which is downtown here in Los Angeles very notoriously bad
place one of the places that I really want to get in and exercise and like I've had a lot of resistance from
everyone it's changed hands so many times and I've had a lot of resistance from every single one because of that
influence they like to lean into it a bit yes exactly so I mean notorious murders have gone on there murderers
have stayed there the history is very vast and wild you know there's uh there's rumor that the black doia was
attached to that place you know every time someone wants to compare it to like they just want to say well it's you know
it's always been kind of a bad area it's always had a lot of you know whatever clientele I'm like okay but compare that
to all of the hotels legit right around it right yeah yeah they too have had things it's not like there's no crime
there but the crime does not match by far the seil hotel no no way at all especially that you know the Alisa lamb
story of of her being found in the water tower Tower yeah and like to this day they've done I don't even know how many
documentaries on this trying to find a way that that could have actually happened where she closed a water tower
onto herself yeah right and they still are like well we don't know but that's you know we're downplaying that there
Supernatural situations here of course but there are Supernatural situations there 100% there is a Rome Walker in
that space and but that's what it does so like it'll like all the police will come and they'll investigate and they'll
be like suicide yeah because that's it's like it's suicide it's whis exactly you
know so that particular entity there's not like a thousand of them or anything on the planet they're they're pretty
rare but there's more than one so it it it's not something I consider the devil but it's certainly real bad uh and the
last one I think is the collectors which to me sounds like the scariest that sound you say real realm Walker no it's
not it's the one down from the realm Walker so collectors collectors are the most
interesting though I think um and I deal with a lot of collectors in the work that I do um because I do spaces quite
frequently so collectors only hold space they don't bother with people that's not their
thing they're like cuz realm Walkers can also possess people and that's the movie
style right that's like everything looks terrible everyone's dying it's it's horrifying but the difference between
movies and real life on those things is that real Walkers will only do that for future World Changers oh they don't have
time for Just That Girl on that farm they don't care about that at all that's interesting that is really interesting
they only want the big time because think about it Go Bel and the most intelligent why you g to waste your
time it's like no but collectors only do spaces and they do spaces of mass trauma
so a place where Mass trauma has happened a collector can come in and form and what it does is it it keeps
deceased people in the space so deceased people are never stuck that's kind of a
lie it's not really a real thing okay um but they can stick themselves if that makes sense so you
know like if they're like I'm afraid to go on or I did something bad that was part of this Mass trauma so I think I
deserve to be here or they just don't know what you know they just don't have help or don't know they just stick
around yeah so collectors what they do is they like to pick a high traffic space again lots of people moving
through they keep the deceased people and they'll have the use the deceased people essentially to scare the living
people into giving the energy oh wow oh okay right so like Haun B like super haunted places where they've had Mass
trauma you can guarantee there's a collector behind that just kind of pulling out the stops and going like
okay now you now you now you wow he's like they M like they're terrible manager seriously just delegating
seriously you'll get a cut of anything yeah nothing at all yeah so what you have to do when dealing with um a
collector is you have to release the deceased people first because you want to take the battery away first because
it Puffs him up a bit you know right that makes sense all the deceased people out of the equation and that is just
conversations with deceased people because you know they're just like us but dead you know you just want to have
conversations with them and let them know like you don't have to be here anymore this is not for you and whatever
their fears are kind of address them and help yeah yeah little talk therapy with
disase people yeah yeah so like it's I don't know it's important to do that I think it's nice
to do that anyway because who wants to be in your own your own hell right so we get them out and then by the time you
get them all out the collector really doesn't have a lot to stand on at that point so he's kind of easy to remove but
it feels big when there's like a lot of people in the space certainly when people go through those spaces they
that's what the kind of space where you feel kind of underwater when you enter I
don't felt that sensation I don't know if I have but I've heard people say that yeah yeah it's like your senses become
very like it really is just like your underwater wow and it's very heavy feeling yeah okay the Lizzy Bardon house
was like that actually yeah now that I think of it when we went there oh I'm sure yeah there was a couple of rooms
immediately I think it was um the Stepmother's room upstairs yeah we we both were like H I don't want to go in
there like it just had a weird and I'd never felt that before I was like oh no I don't want to go in there and the
whole time we were in there it felt more and more threatening like you need you should get out of here you shouldn't be
in here you know I've never been inside that house but I do have feelings like I
wonder what really happened there I don't yeah okay it's a real heavy there's parts of it that you're like
okay like this I you feel a little wonky in there but like you're like whatever but there's as you go up it's like ooh
yeah the upstairs Harbors a lot more and and so does the basement yeah basement has some some weird energy down there
yeah well and I guess that's a hight traffic area technically right because people go a lot yep absolutely people
like travel from all over just to spend the night so makes sense yeah so she keep it going I sort of buy into the
hole someone was hiding in the Attic yeah the attic is so we were supposed to stay in the attic and I was like I will
not sleep I will not stand up there longer for the tour and then we're going downstairs yeah she would not like our
room was in the attic and we were like No And we just ended up sitting up in the sitting room actually where Andrew
died yep in the exact spot just sitting up but somehow that felt less threatening yeah weirdly enough yeah you
might have been healing a collector that that might be where he was hanging out like his I wonder it's like okay I did I
I did an exorcism on the Reinhardt Mansion which is the American Horror Story Mansion oh wow and this was for a
TV show for celebrity exorcism it's and um oh yeah I was just excited to go do the Mansion so I said yes so um we when
they told me it was a house I was like uh that doesn't usually have like an entity you might have like ghosts but I
don't know yeah because they didn't tell me what the H you know what house it was
so when we went I was like okay I will like actually feel this out and see if there is but I didn't realize it is
still a very high traffic area and so there was an entity in that space But it was in the basement
o and it wasn't like it so normally when an entity holds a space it can go through the whole Space it doesn't have
any kind of parameters but it'll have a place where like it likes to hang out and that's probably like an your adct
yeah like here they were this entity was actually forced down because at one point it was a church and there were
nuns that stayed there and they' figured out that there was something in the space so they had kept it down and when
they died they stayed wow it's like a whole thing we went through a whole thing um so that like the nuns were on
certain levels of the house and then this was forced to one level of the house and by the time we got there to
then I was to take it out it was like much weaker than it would have been had it not been for all these nuns fighting
for that's amazing but one thing that it did which I thought was so interesting and this I guess is a well I don't it's
not there anymore but it back in the day when it was there you know when it became the American Horror Story House
people used to go up to the gate and take pictures with it because it just sense like it's a very open fence and
you can see the whole house so it would take little bits from people who took pictures like it would feed tiny bits
off of people because it was stuck what from people piur so people would take pictures and then later complain
like they had just a small headache or just got tired or just it wasn't a lot it was just that's so creepy oh I want
to know if anybody's done that now and was like wait a second I know somebody listening is like right like oh my God
that was me yeah like I did that I fed him oh my gosh that's crazy oh my God that's wild so Are there specific signs
to look out for that some specific entity is attached to you you know most people don't have like high-end entities
it's not like normal you know what I like they don't have like the crazy [ __ ] right people honestly don't know they
have attachment at all and that's kind of a specialty of mine too like I love when people are just like well I feel
blocked in my life or you know I haven't worked in a while or um I can't find this relationship or my favorite one
actually is um we I've been having a lot of trouble conceiving I've helped so many people
conceive and I feel really proud of that because should absolutely well and it's such a big deal
like some people are are fine not having children all their lives like that's me
I'm fine with it but some people like that's all they want that's the only thing they want and that's me if you
have trouble that's the worst feeling because you're like why why is this happening to me when like it's so easy
for somebody else so I've had a lot of clients come in who had tried everything spent so
much money had so much hardship we're just like I can't and you know like I live here in Los Angeles people have
money and so they'll go to the ends of the Earth spend whatever it takes and when it's not working it's so
frustrating because it's like you're trying hard yeah yeah like I don't know what else to do so Word of Mouth has
sent a lot of um people here for that and so uh it's so interesting because so many times they'll be like
well they're telling me my ovaries are this or like this is happening and so you know every time or or they can't
find anything you know like it's one or the other like it's it's this dire situation where this will never happen
for me or like they can't find any reason why this isn't happening so when they come in here I go through my
emotions you know there so when we do the working here there are moments where I have to put my hands on people I
always warn them like I'm going to put my hands on you because if I see these blocks or these spaces in the body like
I want to pull it out I don't want it in the body anymore so like oftentimes when
people come in and I've even had clients come in who don't want to tell me anything right very skeptical clients
that somebody just had a good experience and so they said you should go and they
come in and they're like I don't want to talk about anything let's just get so I'm like okay fine let's just get this
done one of those clients was a client who could not conceive and but I didn't know this right that they didn't tell me
anything until I just started working so I kept putting my hand in the same place because over like the left
ovary area there was all this darkness and I was like I'm not leaving that in the body like I didn't know what the
plan was here but I just don't like leaving any of that in the body yeah right so I just kept going there every
round that I was doing this like that was where it was so concentrated and at the end of it this client sat up and was
like crying and was like why did you keep touching me here and I was like I said the same thing like I just saw a
lot of darkness and I don't like that in the body and so that's what I took out right and they were like I have been
trying to have a baby for two years I don't know what is going on doctors have told me that it's not possible they've
told me my ovaries are basically dead like that particular one is the worst and like I don't know what what to do
and everything that came in from spirit because finally we were able to talk right was like issues and Trauma with
their mom they had so many issues and Trauma with their mom that the body was stopping that from happening on like a
energetic level because that hadn't been released oh wow so I was like listen there is a 100% a
baby coming in like there is around like there is a baby there they're just waiting for the opportunity so let's
work on that here and we took all this stuff out we did all this whatever and I get a call I don't know a few months
later and it was like close to the holidays and they were like can I come in can I can I come back and I was like
you know I guess so yeah come back back and I was like what what happened like what's going on and they were like
well I'm pregnant oh my God I just got chilled I just got like a and they were like you know I just
want another one just to keep things going make sure it's like safe and healthy yeah and I would say that's
probably happened I don't even know maybe a hundred times over the last few wow decade that's incredible makes
so much sense though listen it's not the only thing right it's of course not is not the only thing that causes or or
Aids in those kind like infertility or mental illness or any of those things but it's part of the equation and we
just don't acknowledge that enough in our culture like we don't true we don't acknowledge that oh my God all this
stuff that we're holding in the body can be harmful to us it's not attachment even if it's just old [ __ ] like yeah
because we're taught to stuff down trauma so much because this Society is like get past it get over it you know
move on there's more to do yep like that happened a year ago yeah and it's what does that mean that doesn't mean
anything because getting over it means you're not getting through it and if you're not getting through it
how are you healing it you're not you're just keeping it it's just stuck somewhere inside of you I tell you that
literally all the time she does well and it causes so much like anxiety and depression and all of too when we do
that because it it takes so much of us away like it causes such unworthiness and like inner child damage and so much
[ __ ] it comes out different ways like I'll have clients who come in and like I
don't like I love my my like ladies my ladies who come in yeah because you know they come in
and they're like you know I do everything for everyone and I feel like really good about it but I just don't
know like I'm so sad and I'm like you're not not sad you're [ __ ] angry yeah you're doing nothing for yourself right
but you've been socialized to not be angry that's not an acceptable emotion for for people who are socialized girls
right so it's like you're not allowed to be angry God forbid a woman be angry and
so they're like well I don't know why I'm crying all the time I'm like because you want to scream because you want like
goddess energy to come in and like tell everybody to [ __ ] off it's true true it's very
relatable do you people to be angryan it feel it if you feel it it's true I mean that's what it's F because
that's what I tell my kids like I have three girls and I'm always telling them I'm like if you feel angry be angry man
like you are allowed to be angry in this house like you don't have to tell me you're not like so I feel like it's I
feel like there's a new generation of parenting that's hopefully GNA be like I because I know a lot of people all my
friends who have kids are doing the same kind of thing where it's like just let your kid feel how they feel like right
and them identify no right people think that and they're also taught that like from the spirit same spiritual gurus
like oh that's a low frequency emotion yeah no actually it's a high frequency emotion when used correctly we're not
saying like go be abusive to people that's no never but just feel it being allowed to feel it and I always tell
people too like when they think there's entity around like whenever they they think they feel like they're when you
feel sensitive and you're just like oh there's something here I don't like it I don't like it you tell it to [ __ ]
off I love you go no [ __ ] you [ __ ] off and I'm like use the words use those words and the reason why is because that
steps you into your power that raises your vibration that's how you get it gone yeah that makes sense it makes
perfect sense that's how I got them gone from my kids room I was like you're being rud as [ __ ] here
and I don't appreciate it you have to stand your ground yeah we are much more powerful than we think we are it's true
mhm it makes perfect sense do you have any specific tips for people to avoid having an entity attach itself other
than telling it to [ __ ] [Laughter] off so again like in movies and not that this doesn't happen ever but it's it's
more common the other way like in movies it's always like this nice little Rel child who sweet and you know needs to be
corrupted by te it's so excited about corrupting the Sweet Child um that's not usually how it
works so the best way to not get an attachment normally you know in normal cases is just not to be an [ __ ]
that's so easy you know because it sounds so cheesy right but it's like you know
being kind to yourself with your inner dialogue being kind to people out out in the world like helping a stranger if you
see someone needs help and is struggling with something you know buying someone a
coffee if you can like re you know giving up your seat on a bus like very simple things to to protect yourself
because every time you you create kindness It's the opposite of what that entity is looking for yeah so it ra once
again is like little things to not only raise your vibration but starts to raise
the dynamic around you and trickles it out people we're like in a society right now
that is incredibly selfish you know overall it's not everybody thank God but you know we see
the effects of entity every day let me tell you right oh yeah big time so being selfish is the easiest way to get entity
and attachment because you're so insular and unconscious about everybody else's experience the more we open ourselves up
to other people's experience and more we allow that in and we're like oh actually
wow this person's also having a bad day today like I can relate to that I'm not going to something worse to deal with
with my attitude or my whatever you know yeah that helps you not get attachment that's it that makes sense yeah and it's
easy just don't be a dick just don't be a dick I you think it's easy I know well
it's not for some people and if you're having a bad day I guess you know well and you saying like the one of the
important parts of that is being kind to yourself think is one of the hardest things I think it's much easier not to
be a dick to people around you but like I am very guilty of being a complete [ __ ] to myself all the time and like
I like ash is my like self-care Guru She's always telling me like self-care is important and I've been trying to
listen to her but CU you do so much for everybody else and I'm like hello number
one I be really critical of myself like I get impostor syndrome a lot I'm constantly being like yeah no like why
do you don't deserve that like why why you get that and so I'm constantly having to come and I can feel it how
negative it is when I do that to myself so I'm especially lately I feel like you've been like I'm going to give it to
Ash Ash has been helping me to be like no no like be kind to yourself feels better and I feel like I'm a better
person when I'm kinder to myself of course it's weird I told Elena and maybe you can explain this to me I woke up in
the middle this is so strange and I've never really had an experience like this but I woke up in the middle of the night
a week ago maybe and I just said to myself Elena needs to do raiki on her stomach and I should tell her that and
then I it was like I was barely conscious it was just like I Woke up had that thought fell right back to sleep so
I told her the next day and I specifically on her stomach and that was that was the only thing that like came
through I guess but I don't know where that came from I mean again high empaths and you're so linked yeah that's true
having like some wild dream or some wild situation going on and you must have felt it yeah was just so crazy felt that
yeah like you just cuz she told me as soon as we got to work the next morning she was like uh last night I woke up in
the middle of night you need to do this I was like wow yeah and I should do it and it was like specifically your
stomach me yeah like damn like I woke up and this happened and you got to go do it and I'd be like listening to that
right away yeah as soon as she said it I was like I should do that and you said you've been and I didn't even know but
you said like you've had some stomach stuff going on lately yeah cuz it's been we've been so stressed out in the last
few weeks that so I was ATT tribute and I'm sure it was mostly because of that that I've just been like like my I never
have stomach issues like I'm a very like my stomach's like steel like like like I'm like my dad I can like wake up in
the middle of the night and eat buffalo chicken and it's fine oh I wish but the last couple I've just been like uh like
I'm just like feeling off and I think it mostly is because of stress but I was like oh maybe I should do that to help
me out yeah and you're going through you're going through things so sometimes that makes you just more susceptible to
everything so you probably got on that and was like oh nope we got to get that before it gets nope it's true I love
that look at us just being connected and [ __ ] I love it that's so cool so now that we know a little bit more about all
the entities themselves what does a typical day for you I mean because this is your whole last job what does a
typical day for you look like dealing with all of these different things well you know if it's a space uh I get called
to do the space I go and unless I know whatever is there is there um I kind of go take a look see at the space and then
you know diagnose I guess if you will what what needs to be done and what I need to bring and how I need to do it um
I don't like taking other people so I'm always kind of a lone wolf in this situation I don't like being responsible
for other people's safety because in spaces since an entity can hold a space they can take that whole place down if
they want to wow I mean I've been in spaces where they've taken sinks off walls and done all kinds of dam so they
don't usually attack you with themselves I've only had that happen once but they'll pull stuff to attack you you
know yeah so if you got a lot of people around that's harder to control yeah yeah higher probability of getting an
injury that's liability they cause a lot of mass sickness too like Mass mess whatever or injury yeah just everything
so I like to go in by myself which is not the most fun yeah you're bra it's like you don't have a backup yeah so
you're just like okay um occasionally I'll go into if the Space is really bad like with one medium so I don't have to
do that work while like if it's a collector I can let the medium sort of handle those while I work on the just
the entity so in a space depending on how big it is that could last 133 14 hours wow can't stop once you start not
on a person or or a space wow oh okay and why is that well because it starts to agitate The Entity that will start
fighting back and so I have had that happen so like I said you know when it's a space in particular an
entity can control people on mass so I once I clean a lot of sets I'm asked to do Consulting on a lot of horror fil
um TV shows because they're like we're recreating this horrible terrible thing in the space or like in another space
that's wildly just as bad and so we want to make sure that we don't you know have
trouble yeah so I was doing one of those spaces actually this has happened twice
a a space like that and I'll go on to set I'll bring my little tool kit on my you know all my resins and all my BS and
like you know start setting up and inevit well at least in these two times I I'm
keep thinking it's going to happen again though I just keep thinking it's going to happen again I'll have somebody come
up to me and say oh who are you and I'll be like well this is what I'm here for this is what I'm supposed to be doing
and they'll be like oh no no we're not doing that today we can't do that like it's a fire hazard or it's a you know I
wasn't told about this or you're not on the list or you know whatever and I don't argue with that anymore I just go
okay and I pack my little stuff and I leave and then all hell will break loose that
day C back that people will get injured cameras won't work they won't pick up audio or they'll be picking up audio
from someplace they shouldn't or they'll see something they shouldn't be seeing or just something will happen and I will
get a call hours later that's like why aren't you here and I'm like well somebody sent me home and they yeah but
everybody knew you were coming every single person like we had a whole meeting about this like they should have
sent you home so they're like come back so I will go back and that same producer
will come up to me and just like looking at the floor saying I knew you were coming I don't know why I said that I
don't know why I told you to go oh that's [ __ ] creepy that is you can see the shock in the face like they're
practically Tears like I don't know what the [ __ ] yeah I think I may have been
possessed oh that's so scary [ __ ] has happen yeah wow that is like I can't even oh that
did seriously that's intense oo so you've been doing this for a while and you've kind of already touched upon a
couple are there any particularly or can you point to one particularly memorable
or challenging experience that you've had in your whole journey yeah yeah so I keep a journal of
like my scariest exorcisms oh I love that because I want to forget this [ __ ] like case see this again right um and I
okay so one time and this is so bizarre it wasn't even that long ago it was like a
couple years back never happened before never happened since so it was like its own one-off
situation I was contacted to um exercise a space and this was a like a not a hotel but like a very big Inn
um and I have to sign ndas when I sign when I do spaces quite often just because their spaces their places people
go you know yeah they don't want like a bad reputation like they just don't want I'm
very proud to say I don't sign a lot of ndas even with very famous people they trust me but spaces are like a whole
different story yeah makes sense you know I was called into the space they were like there's a lot of shenanigans
going into the space like we've had a lot of workers in the space that like keep Crossing themselves and we'll go
back into falling off ladders and they're seeing [ __ ] and you know it was a sight of a mass fire at one point like
way down it was a really old place and they'd rebuilt it and rebuilt it like kind of in you know different ways than
theyd built it before and now there was somebody coming in who wanted to restore
it to its Old Glory and you know so they were going to open like the next week and they were like we need this out
whatever this is needs to go because all my money's tied up in this and so me being cocky at this point I
was like no problem yeah fine I can do it you know little did I know um so I went into this
space and there were a lot of deceased people in the space like a ton of deceased people in this space and you
all once touched upon I think it was like an Ohio episode episode because Ohio is the craziest most haunted place
and I don't know why Ohio you got a lot going on oh oh does Ohio is crazy it is crazy but you had touched upon how
somebody had said a story about like they could see only part of the ghost because the place had built
and so that you know was that the um Paul Fe episode yes yes it was yep yes good call the coolest person on Earth
human love him so much like I've never met but it is a dream he's a kind kind human truly so uh yeah so in this space
it was kind of like that so you'd see decease people but because they built back differently yeah you know like
you'd see like part of the deceased person because the other part was like on a different floor now or like you
just coming down from the ceiling you know that used to be the floor like oh right exactly so which is always like
weird it's weird even to me now when I see that because I'm like is that an impr because usually it's an imprint so
that just means like they're just reenacting something that they did so that's why they they don't move yeah
they don't see it like that so normally that's very harmless just to put out there like you just see it and it's like
they don't even it's just like an energy trap you know so in this space I got led into a
safe like because you were just like like oh it's not so bad yeah I was like oh it's imprints okay like this is fine
and then wherever this entity is I'll just get this guy out that is not what happened um so I can't get into all the
specifics of it but let's just say that these ghosts in particular were not at all imprints and they were actually
malevolent they've been turned completely malevolent they were not themselves at all like whoever they'd
been in life they were not that anymore wow the entity that held that the space is the only entity that has ever
actually harmed Me by touching me whoa no way I have a scar on my hand like you I don't know you see it but there's like
a line here yeah it it gripped me and it was like a burning sensation down my hand and I it
it was like so jarring that I I don't even quite remember exactly how I reacted to it I know I took a step like
I stepped away and pulled my hand back yeah um but left this like kind of bloody opening oh my god wow terrifying
and I to again to this day I've never dealt with that again it's not normal it's not their normal behavior um so I
continued working I thought about leaving like so many times but I do feel kind of an obligation to do the work too
so I I was like well [ __ ] you know there's going to be like a hundred people here you know next week I can't
just leave it like what am I supposed to could get worse yeah and so it was controlling all of these deceased people
but again not like any collector I'd ever seen like these people were like full possessed it was
crazy like they were like deceased possessed people wow scary so they also were trying to harm you and also trying
to be in the way and like normally when you release them they're like oh thanks you know this time they were like we
don't want that you know like we're not going so I had to leave that portion of it to do its own thing and just work
with the entity and um it was hard it was hard to get this entity out um it was long story short
this entity was attached to something that that was in the space um which is a very specific to this
place thing so I can't say what it was but it is very old and it was used for something it shouldn't have been and so
there you go and so this thing came in and it took me so long and it was so draining to do the work to get it out
and it finally was out and so I left there like [ __ ] up but like oh I did it at least I did it right yeah so
everything's fine fine fine no incidences happened again and I'm like oh okay so that was that I
don't know what it was I'm not quite sure exactly but it's done didn't love that but all right but it turned out
that it was not done um it's technically out of the space but I have seen it around me quite a few times so wow I'm
at this point like okay I did a good job I guess taking that out but like it didn't it didn't destroy it and now I'm
like is it worse that it's out oh that's scary oh that's terrifying wow like at least then it was in the space you know
what I mean right and it's not attached to the object anymore the object's still
in the space yeah wow and now it has like a personal problem with you so that's absolutely terrifying does it
sure does wow made that very clear on numerous occasions when I'm like just driving and there it is or like just you
know wow oh that's so scary so do you have a do you have a process afterwards when you finished this kind of work to I
don't like cleanse yourself some like somehow yeah so I have um protective tattoos that normally work oh cool oh
that's awesome that's really cool yeah and they're they face inward so you don't you're not for other people
they're for me um and that has helped a lot since I've gotten those um but also you know mineral hot springs really
help for me like it sounds weird but like detoxing no it makes sense I've seen that a lot lately it's like trendy
on Tik Tok for ghost I don't know just in general I've seen people doing like mineral baths and they're like shocked
by the [ __ ] that comes out of them regular like yeah yeah no it's really it's really helpful and I have one that
I like that's like three hours away from here it's not too far um so that's really helpful the next day after I work
especially if it's a very difficult space or challenging person I don't really move much like I have to recover
because it takes so much out of you yeah to do this that I'm just like there is no way I'm responsible for anything
today just a little happen cannot um and and depending on like a space like that
that that takes uh a lot a lot of recovery time more time than anything just allowing that negative to to leave
if you will from your own body because there's a certain amount that you take in when you take it out of someone else
that makes sense yeah absolutely wow oh this is fascinating this really is just God
and I have to ask because you mentioned how you can like see these entity attachments on like film or in a in a
photo all that do you see entity attachments over Zoom right now because this room in
particular this is our recording area we've had to move it around a lot and like shift energy a little bit because
there was a point we had this very differently set up and my hair is moving over hair see there's a doll of Ash over
in the corner and it has like string hair and every now and then this the hair will just move around it just
started as you said that we also get like our weird our like our machines will make weird noises like we have a
roadter and it has a soundboard and the laugh or the Applause track will play sometimes at like very specific times
but it will also cut off and there's no way to cut to possibly make that happen so there's been some weird things that
we've been like what's going on in here I don't see entity in there per se and if anything were dangerous I would have
told you like right on the jump what figur that's I was like all right but you do have a lot of deceased people
around you oh I love that so that's interesting because Mikey our assistant has cleansed the space so many times and
he invites our ancestors in here he always invites like well that's why so of course they're just like we're so
proud we're just gonna hang out that's so cool they're just hanging out I think we we've actually asked before cuz we
one day was like a weird day kept happening like things just kept happening used like a little uh what it called
pulum pendulum to ask like are you like a bad thing in here like like are you are are you I think we were like are you
like a family member in here and said yeah so we were like okay yeah for sure we'll go with that especially if it's
putting on Applause like come on yeah just like good job but that's the thing we were like it's got to be it seems to
be leading Us in like good ways defitely does we'll be trying to figure something
out and we'll be like debating it and it will Applause at one of the choices and
we're always like oh we're listening to the roadcast it happened right before we
went on with you actually it did it hasn't happened in like a month yeah we and we were saying it the other day like
oh I don't know if they left or like what happened and then it just happened right before we sat down for this and we
were like oh well [ __ ] there you go that is so funny yeah so like telling you like I'm here here I am okay what's
going on that's really cool I love that that's good to and they do you know they
also like to make themselves known especially when you're having like a bit of a time yeah
that makes sense we're always having a bit of a time I think they're yeah I think they're just like hey they're here
to hang we're here that's probably why I don't see entity either is because you're you're always having a time so
you're just like I'm so used to having a time I'm just I don't have time for yeah
it's just like we try to sail through it yeah we're always cleansing this space or Mikey always is thankfully for Mikey
you cleanse with your space do you know do you do poos Santo yeah poos Santo usually and that's what I use at my
house because I know sage has like specific rules and I never want to [ __ ] it up I just don't think it's as strong
as palosanto really really so I think is a lot stronger and then if you really want to go there you burn uh copal and
then frankincense right after okay I have a ton of Frankin sense so I'll bring some over to the podl yeah we're
always trying to keep it chill like I like to share that a lot that takes entity out of the space if it's
mild and sorry what was the first thing you said opal c o adding it to my cart I pronounce it
whatever whatever local witchy store that we have around us we'll get some I love that place so good on the little
discs or the little discs you know the these guys oh no we don't have those we need
to get so if you have like an ashtray or whatever these are so good and you burn
the loose resins o a resin it's like an amber resin so you just throw it on the disc oh I like that sweet okay we have
to we have to so smoke detectors have to check them first been there done that we'll open some windows I've done that
before and my fiance Drew is like really did you have to do that right now yeah I'm like every once in a while John will
come up here to ask a question he's like what what happening he's like it's real
SMY in here like what is this smell cleansing I'm cleansing we're just cleansing it's okay we're busy right now
okay don't ask questions we're busy cleansing John so going off of that do you have any
advice for anybody who might feel like they have a similar gift to you um yeah you know just try not to block
things out you know people think they're safer when they shut things down and the
reality is that's not true so for example I post on my Instagram frequently about or or and also on Tik
Tok now um my 30-day connection to spirit because people are always like I don't know if I have an entity I don't
know if I need to raise raise my vibration or I want to just talk to my Spirit guides or my deceased loved ones
which is your natural Birthright gift by the way um everyone comes in with it so
I'm like okay here's how you do it where you're going to sit down for 30 days for
five minutes a day and you're GNA ask Spirit to enter your body and it's just a couple of steps right and I'll always
get somebody putting in the comments like this is devil [ __ ] when you ask Spirit to enter your body this is like
bad you don't ask because you'll invite something bad into the body the response
is always that's not true and the reason why it's not true is because you're talking about the difference between
High beings you know Angels ascended masters however you phrase it right high frequency beings versus low frequency
beings low frequency beings do not need your consent that honestly that Mak makes sense yeah they're just going to
come there if they want to if your free will the fact is if if you're the more unconscious you are the better
off they are right but High beings they care about your free will that's why you
have to ask them for help ah that makes so much sense until you ask they want to
but they respect you and they want you to to walk your path however you want to walk your path so you have to ask them
come in please come in and help this yeah so that's the difference so I always say
if you think you know even if you don't think you have a gift you do that's the thing even if you don't you were born
with the ability to speak to your Spirit guides and deceased loved ones it is your Birthright you may not remember how
to do that you may not think you do but if you do this that will open up for you
again that's so I encourage everybody to do it and also like if you're feeling stuck if you feel low vibrational if
you're not sure if you have attach like it's so easy it's free to you yeah there
um and it takes as little as five minutes a day it has it's awesome you know it's something I do it's something
they taught me to do right I want to do that now I know I really love that I'm GNA do that now that's really
cool and you know I'm sure like you were you were just mentioning like people would be like that's devil
[ __ ] I I imagine that you get some push back and some criticism from people who
are not open to it who are Skeptics and what do you do to kind of either ignore it or what do you do to kind of not let
it affect your vibrations like not bum you out or make you angry yeah like I get the both sides so I'll get like very
religious people who tell me that this is also devil's work you know because it's like I I'm not a man I have boobs I
don't know it's like a non denominational kind of situation well yeah right I work I would say even um
multi-denominational is probably more AC than you because everybody's welcome here like love that hell yeah yeah but
like I even get a you know how DMS are you know who slides into the DMs like they just like you look how you look so
therefore this I say whatever I want right or the opposite where you have people who are like this is [ __ ]
whatever don't believe this this person's just like doing whatever I don't know yeah um so for me it's
it's like I I'm not trying to convert you yeah I'm not if you believe it fine if you don't
fine yeah that's okay like it doesn't affect my work yeah like it's doing the work yeah
yeah so you don't have to believe me in fact you know don't um people who who are open to it the
people who are like you know maybe there is something more in the world than I experience or think I experience I think
those people are the people who benefit the most because I don't know it's kind of sad for people who are so closed off
that they're just like there's nothing but this life and that's it and everything that you see and that's all
it's like that's a like that sucks yeah like why wouldn't you want to be open to beings who want to help you
and and guide you through life and want you to know that you're support and not alone right it is a very nice feeling
yeah I love the feeling nice idea yeah yeah because you you know that's the truth though yeah it is the truth like
they're there if you want them to be believe it or not like I get that it's it creates a whole lot of cognitive
dissonance right if you've been taught like the world is one way and then someone's like here's different way of
looking at the world and some people you know looking out here in the world are like I can't possibly question my
beliefs that would be terrible yeah but I think if you do if you are a person who's open to like going well I
don't know maybe yeah that's all it takes down a road of something really beautiful it's true that's all it really
takes is just going maybe Poss like I don't I don't know like I think it's hard to say that you you know everything
like that's the thing like right it's so weird at least a little open to like I don't know everything so there's a very
real possibility that there's something beyond my world scope that I don't know about and I don't know why that's
difficult but I also don't know why apologizing or taking responsibility for nonsense is difficult but some people
very difficult you get it very true you get it you get it the girls that get it it's so
true I think you your question is next oh sorry it is I was just blanking so our
last question for you actually or second to last yeah second to last is what do you hope that readers are going to take
away from your book sister of darkness and your experiences as a modern Exorcist oh my gosh
um I guess I hope the thing that they take back with them the most is that yeah yes okay we all exist in the
world with all of these things right that's just how it is right yeah but at the same time you are so much more
powerful than you think that you are I love that and we have the ability to keep ourselves safe we have the ability
to live our dreams we have the ability to manifest things like all of this is in the same realm you know so yeah you
have all of these low things and that sucks and that can be a trouble yeah right have all of these
great things you have high beings you have the ability to to create what you want and visualize it for the world and
you are strong enough to do that one person at a time you know it doesn't we don't have to do it all together at once
to make a difference in the world one person can make a difference every day I love that that's perfect that's a great
thing to take away from I know it's like very inspiring anyway yeah absolutely yeah and I I know I took a lot away from
it so I know I know anybody who reads it will take just that away from it I would
say 100% so I appreciate that truly absolutely and honestly because it was such a great book and this has been such
an amazing conversation like you're a fascinating and badass human magical human uh can you do you have any
upcoming projects coming up you know like anything related to you your work as an exorcist your work as an author
anything yeah so uh well one of the things that we're working on right now is uh taking that journal of mine my my
scariest most challenging stories and bringing them to uh feature so yeah so I'm really excited about that um and you
know trying to do uh trying to share with the world I guess because I feel like I don't know whenever we see
exorcism on screen right it's really similar it's like always the same kind of story and the reality is even just
talking today like there are so many other kind a myriad of things yeah so many and I think you know I can't speak
for everyone but like as a horror lover you know and a horror writer like every time I watch them I'm like super psyched
for something different and it's so rarely something different and I'm just like and as an exorcist I'm like damn
this is different you know so now we're we're actually doing that we're literally doing that as we speak right
now love that yeah I'm super excited about that like we're have our own series of cool [ __ ] to show you that's
totally so cool excited for that that's awesome thank you yeah and then I've been working um kind of not again not in
secret but it it's not really been announced we've been working on the sister of Darkness scripted TV series
for the last few years um I'm partnered with like the coolest smartest person who ever Wasa Adin oh my God lots of
things but most recently better things um and we've been working on a horror comedy for for FX for the last few years
and we've been writing and writing and writing away like trying to get like the most perfect um
Vibe the toes the line between actually so scary and horrible and we're going to
show you how horrible and scary that is but also really funny and safe feeling oh I love I love when there's a comedy
element that's always really cool yeah yeah but like you know we're really trying to throw it at you like here's
this actually looks and feels right sure um and also dealing with like all the issues because I I grew up in trauma
with my mother my my mother was crazy abusive and um oh that's awful I'm sorry well it's okay she she's long past now
and um she's still comes to me and we've we've worked it out since she's good I'm
glad that's my biggest fear we have we've worked it out since she's died it took her a minute like we've had
such funny conversations though too like at first when she first died she was trying to come in so fast and then I was
like no you're not ready I am not ready for this I had and and we're actually writing about this this is like an
episode of the show we've talked about where I would I was like we're not talking directly I'm getting a medium to
come in and you have to talk to her hell yeah I love that we need a middleman we
doing this my way therap we needed a therapist yeah so that's what we did we and and so until she was like calmed
down enough to have a normal conversation with me oh my God we didn't do it so we went I went to the medum we
had a conversation I was like she's not ready it'll be another six months oh my god wow that's great though that you got
to do it on your terms because when you do go through like an abusive relationship with somebody it's not on
your terms so it's nice that you got to turn that around well and also I found out a lot about things that had happened
to her when she was a child after she died you know that she didn't tell me and not that that makes a huge like
you're if you're an [ __ ] you're an [ __ ] you're being an [ __ ] you know at least then I was like oh okay like I
can get it more you can empathize yeah exactly so I had more empathy for her and eventually she was
like she was that person who took no responsibility in life for absolutely anything so like in death I was like
until you can we're not having conversation we're not having this same relationship happened I'm over here
taking notes I know eventually she did she did she was like oh yeah [ __ ] okay like yeah good you deserve that you
know it's funny working with Pamela because doing better things she was the person who put her own life basically on
you know on display and so now I'm doing that with her and you couldn't do it with a better person because she
definitely knows do it properly for sure but she's so funny because you'll be having a
conversation and you know just going into something like oh this terrible horrible traumatic thing that happened
to me as a child and she'd sits she sits there and then she'll look at you and she'll be like that's funny I can make
that fun I can work with that but she's always right too that's the thing you're
Le you're like what the [ __ ] you're like it was not no no chear me out and you're
like oh my God it is it is funny yeah you're like you know what I feel working through trauma and humor go hand in hand
100% exactly yeah exactly and it's nice working with someone who has navigated that so well right and makes you feel
really safe like she be I don't I don't know what she'd say to it but I think she'd be super honored that I like she
makes me feel safe but she does she makes me feel safe through that because it is hard this is hard stuff to talk
about not just the but the work like I didn't know like what one of the reasons why I didn't tell people and haven't
been that active or you know out there as much as I guess I'm starting to now because this is a hard thing to be out
there with absolutely yeah it's not for everybody I'm not for everybody yeah you
know so I was really hesitant about you know doing stuff out there um but it seems like it's time and it's nice to
have you know people who navigate that with you absolutely yeah of course that make you
feel safe about your decision to do it yeah exactly exactly that's awesome I'm so excited for everything that you have
coming up well thank you so much I appreciate that I'm I'm excited to share something new with the world you know
the world needs it I was gonna say the world is going to be excited to receive it so let's go yeah and thank you so
much for taking the time to talk to us this has been so fascinating such a cool conversation we can't thank you enough
I'm so glad like I really really wanted to do this as I told you like I love you
guys so I so psyched I was like Yay I can't believe love is mutual oh my God I was
just gonna say that I'm happy to hear that I want us to be friends forever will yes you're
welcome back anytime yeah well thank you so much for having me thank you so much and where can
people follow you on social media if you want to plug any of that oh yeah um well
if you want to see these Tik Tok videos yes and you need to it's just RH stavis um you know it's like Davis with an
st and it's also Instagram RH Davis I try to keep it the same and easy that's SM people and we'll link them all in the
show notes so it's easy to find but yes definitely but again Rachel thank you so
much this has been awesome and guys go follow Rachel I was going to say awesome everybody listening go follow Rachel
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Welcome to a super duper special episode of Morbid with guest host, the incredible Rachel Stavis. We are so freaking excited to be speaking with the Los Angeles–based screenwriter, novelist, and exorcist. Yup, you read that right. She’s a full-blown exorcist. How cool?!?!? It was a grand time, so please enjoy!

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Brief Summary

Rachel Stavis discusses her journey as an exorcist, types of entities, and the significance of the thinning veil during autumn.

Key points

Meet Rachel Stavis. Rachel Stavis, a world-renowned exorcist, shares her unique journey and experiences.
Hearing Voices. A listener shares their experience of hearing voices in an old family home.
Night Terrors and Spiritual Encounters. A mother recounts her children's terrifying experiences with night terrors and the supernatural.
Children's Connection to Spirit. Exploring how children are more open to spiritual experiences than adults.
The Dangers of Realm Walkers. Discussing the most malevolent entities that can attach to people and spaces.
Conversations with the Deceased. Exploring how to help deceased spirits move on from traumatic spaces.

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Episode quotes

It's none of my business what they think of me.

Rachel reflects on self-acceptance and not caring about others' opinions.

8:46WatchOct 31, 2023

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