The Snedeker Haunting: A Haunting in Connecticut | Morbid | Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is [Music] morbid it's morbid it's leopard print
morbid I we've been on a journey yeah we had the the little mini book tour yes went so well it went so well but man we
were slap Happy for a lot of it oh my God and just to explain the leopard print comment quickly up at the top we
were listening to Alaska Thunder Fox dis discography as one does and I showed Elena the song leopard print and if you
haven't heard it throw that [ __ ] on cuz it's a banger when I tell you it's one
of the funniest things I've ever I don't know why it's great it hit my funny bones and it hit again so it wasn't just
the slap Happy exhausted yeah cuz it hit during the day yeah it hit during the day too the same way he's laughing so
hard it's me it's brilliant it's who I am everything must be leopard print and if it's not leopard print it's irel and
I too Alaska Thunder [ __ ] would buy a leopard print elephant see so there you go there you go yeah the book tour was a
lot of fun it was it was great you guys were great so cool to see everybody I'm still not quite understanding how it was
real it was real I saw came like that was crazy crowds big crowds and you were lovely you were great and so engaged and
you asked great questions and you gave me good you gave me good face while I was up there like you serving face you
gave me good like I'm intrigued by what you're saying face which makes me feel good and I mugs were appreciated that
yeah it was fun it was a lot of fun I would do I would do it sometime in the future I would do it sometime
I would do it sometime again in the future it's it made me tired though that's the I'm yawning literally just
yawning I'm a very big uh introvert yeah so uh I get like super depleted by any kind of outside of my house activity so
it was a it was a an exercise in stamina for me I know anyone who met me at the birkar event I'm sorry if I was very low
energy I kept thinking on the way home I was like I hope I was like kind and like
we just really tired cuz I was like when I'm tired I can't make conversation like
I can't no I'm the I'm terrible at it and I just keep saying oh I love that I love that and I genuinely do love that
but I it's all my brain knows how to say after a certain point it's true but it was so cool meeting some of you guys and
it was awesome it was so much fun you guys rule so hard I can't even begin to tell you you rule you rule so hard that
[ __ ] want to find you and I it sounds like you know you guys are digging the second book which is blowing
in my mind and making me so happy because I really love the second book it's pretty all right yeah you guys are
have been awesome I appreciate that I love the second book but yeah the butcher game you know hang on tight cuz
you know don't go anywhere after yeah cuz maybe maybe there's more I don't know Alena's got more more to say at all
times I don't know I don't know but don't be mad at the end okay that's all I'm saying I'm mad I'm big
mad you're big manad but technically I'm not cuz I've seen some other stuff CU you know there's I've seen the secret
whiteboard you have it's true ha all right well it's spooky season and we have a haunting specifically A Haunting
in Connecticut which is right over there it's right over there looking at it this
is the sneaker family haunting I looked up how to say that multiple times so if it's wrong Google's
wrong okay so let's talk about it let's talk about it Alan Carmen sneer met in planville Connecticut oh in
1977 uh she was working as a server at a local bowling alley and he stopped in for a beer and they immediately thought
the other one was a cutie PTI they said who's that hottie they said who's that them but
then what what happened I I don't know why I said but then but then nothing nothing big happen oh they there was an
undeniable attraction is what happened but then an undeniable attraction came in the room told you guys I was
tired you really LED that one in you like but and I was like what there was undeniable attraction he like no they
just really liked each other yeah but there is a butt Carmen was a single mother with two small boys at home she
was very hesitant to dive back into a relationship again and Al had also just come out of a bitter divorce after a
pretty short-lived marriage so they both had similar hesitations about moving too
quickly into something that makes sense yeah and it's responsible that is so they took things slow they dated
casually but eventually things did become more serious over like two years and they decided to get married oh look
at them so after the wedding the family moved to Hurleyville New York where Al found work at a local stone quarry and
Carmen was babysitting for local families while raising her own children which included her son's Philip and
Michael from her first marriage and eventually two more children that she and Al had together their life in
Hurleyville was small it was simple but they liked it that way they had a good Community Carmen was involved in church
activities that kept her busy when she wasn't taking care of all the neighborhood children but in 1986 Alan
Carmen received very unexpected and very awful news that would upend their lives
in April of 1986 14-year-old philli developed a dry hacking cough that he just couldn't seem to shake and Al
mentioned it to Carmen he was like what's that about and he was kind of concerned that it could be serious but
she was like oh I think it's probably just like a seasonal cold you know everybody gets them but a week later
Philip called his mom's attention to this small lump he found on the left side of his neck and that was when she
got really concerned so they made an appointment with the pediatrician out of an abundance of caution that doctor
recommended that Philip be admitted to the hospital for tests and a few days later Allan car learned that their son
had Hodgkins lymphoma cancer of the lymphatic system oh damn at 14 years old I was just going to say so young really
sad now as one of the many small towns uh and Villages that make up the cat skills Hurleyville New York didn't have
a hospital of its own and the local medical providers didn't have any of the resources or expertise really needed to
provide ongoing cancer treatment yeah so Alan Carmen really didn't have any choice but to travel back and forth
between Hurleyville and Farmington Connecticut wow so that Philip could receive treatment out there so they were
making daily trips to John Dempsey hospital and these trips were 2 and 1 half hours each way so Carmen and Philip
were both usually completely exhausted by the time they got home and he's exhausted anyway course yeah fortunately
Al did have some family in the area so Carmen and philli could stay with them on occasion instead of doing the drive
back and forth but it became clear pretty quickly that staying with family and and driving 5 hours a day was just
not sustainable yeah it's and it's not helping the situation you're all stressed yeah you know adding lack of
sleep and all of that is like probably not great too much so in the interest of time money and most importantly Philip's
Health Allan Karma decided it was probably an everybody's best interest that the family moved to Connecticut to
be closer to the hospital so when Philip wasn't going through treatment at John Dempsey Hospital Carmen spent her days
looking for an apartment that could accommodate their now large family yeah I was going to say it's a lot of people
yeah a lot of kids the two of them but the problem was that what was available at the time was either too small or like
Way Beyond their budget one afternoon she was driving to see an apartment in nearby Southington uh and she drove by a
beautiful three-story home on a quiet street and it had a four rent sign in the front yard so she was like oh she
was like [ __ ] now the apartment that she was supposed to be um going to see ended up being too small it was not
going to work out [ __ ] that apartment [ __ ] that apartment honest [ __ ] that
noise yeah but she had some time to kill before heading back to the hospital so she decided to stop at the house that
she saw earlier that day with the big fent sign out in front and inquire about the
availability so inside she said when she got there the house was full of contractors workmen of all types all
renovating one part or or another of the first floor she wasn't really sure who she should speak to about renting so she
just went from one Workman to the other until she found the foreman and the foreman told her that the owners weren't
there at the time but he did let her into the second floor apartment to give her an idea of what the first floor
apartment was going to look like once it was all done okay now the second floor apartment it was beautiful it was
spacious it could definitely accommodate Carmen Al and the four kids it was perfect she loved it she didn't want to
get too excited though because she figured an apartment so large and nice was probably out of their price range
but she still took the landlord's number and she called him as soon as she got home cuz you never know you never know
she said shoot your shot yeah what did you what do you say you miss you miss 100% of the shots you don't take it's
not my quote it's the office right Gretzky Michael Scott yes of course you know so the landlord Daryl Kern he was
polite on the phone but when Carmen mentioned that they had four children she said she noticed a change in his
tone but he didn't say that kids weren't allowed and to her surprise the rent was
actually well within their budget so when he offered the downstairs apartment she didn't hesitate she took it she said
hell yeah she said that was a little weird but it's a gorgeous apartment whatever yeah so finding an affordable
apartment near the hospital was obviously a relief it meant that they could start saving money again Carmen
and Philip could stop spending half their day driving between New York and Connecticut but still Carmen was left
with this weird feeling in her chest like it was anxiety she couldn't shake it got to listen to that and she said
she figured it was because she hadn't seen the first floor and she was like what if it's not as nice what if it's
not as spacious and what if in her rush to make to find an apartment she made things worse for her family like
inadvertently you know know she didn't know it at the time but her decision to take the apartment in Southington would
definitely have serious consequences for their entire family and space and affordability would be the least of
their concerns soon oh boy yeah so obviously for most people moving from one state to another is uh pretty
[ __ ] difficult and daunting regardless of their circumstances but for Carmen and Al this was pretty shitty
timing like their son is very sick yeah very shitty and also Al put in a transfer request with his company but it
was going to take a while for them to fulfill it so he was going to have to stay back in New York while everybody
else moved to Connecticut oh that's sucks and Philip was too ill to be of much help in the moving process and
Carmen's second oldest son Michael was spending the summer with his grandmother in Alabama so pretty much all of the
responsibility was on her to get things packed and moved over obviously Al could
help but like he was also working and the process was made doubly challenging by the fact that you know of
course they needed to pack and move as soon as they could but at the same time Philip still was going back and forth
for treatments so they were hardly Out of the Woods yeah now one night a couple weeks before the move they're still in
their their place Carmen had this dream where she was walking through a this is so [ __ ] creepy she's walking through
a hallway lined with caskets and she said Each one contained a pale nude body of some unknown deceased person o and
she wasn't alone in Her Dream there was another man walking through the Halls she said he was quote zigzagging in and
out between the caskets carrying one of those old ominous tools that Undertakers
once used in the embalming process oh when she woke up she turned to Al and she just blurted out the apartment that
house it's a funeral home what the [ __ ] like just she knew what the [ __ ] immediately now no one had said anything
to Carmen about the home having ever been a funeral home she said but she said somehow she just knew that it was
or at least that it had been one at one point in time so Al was like okay do you
want to back out of it like we haven't signed anything yet but the thought of continuing to drive back and forth every
day was just too much to bear and she had already looked at a ton of apartments in the towns around the
hospital and they had either been too small or too expensive so she just felt like she couldn't give up this
opportunity yeah so on June 30th 1986 she started unloading the moving truck in the new at the new apartment now the
day they arrived with the truck was the first time that Al and Carmen actually saw the new apartment cuz remember they
saw the second they were working on it they were working on it so before they unloaded the truck they went inside just
to look around and contractors were actually still working on the first floor there was like sawdust wood just
construction mess everywhere but the basement was empty so they went downstairs to see what kind of space
they had to work with there like most basements in Old New England homes it was kind of musty the air was thick it
was cold down there oh we all know that basement I can smell yeah but the space was quite a bit more than either of them
was expecting at theot of the stairs there was a pretty large room that opened on to the right and then on the
left there was a set of French doors that led to an even larger room and there were three other smaller rooms
adjacent to the larger ones but Alan Carmen were like what would those be used for like why why is there so much
room for activities down here so they like poked her on the basement and they started to get a sense of what had once
gone down in these rooms oh Carmen found what she described as a quote gruesome Blood Stained wall and a quote chain
powerered body lift that looked more medieval than contemporary what the more they explored
the basement the more evidence they found confirming that the residence had definitely been a funeral home at one
point in time and it had a blood spattered wall according to going down there blood it's Wy everywhere you're
supposed to clean I kind of thought that too important it's important part of that job I would think yeah I was like I
was the morg I'll say that I feel like bloodborne pathogens are a thing yeah you never want blood spatter on anything
no I definitely don't you're so right in that statement yeah you just really don't I really don't you really don't it
happens in that industry for sure yeah I mean that makes sense it's going to be there while you're doing your thing you
clean it up after well isn't there usually like a sheet or something up like is there anything up speak for a
funeral home cuz I don't know how the um you know in the in bomb process I would
assume there would be precautions to make sure that blood isn't just spattering against a wall also I'm like
why did that happen like once it gets to the funeral home it's like that shouldn't be happening all the blood
usually happens in the morg that's kind of what I thought too and we clean that [ __ ] but we we'll get there we'll get to
the questions at the end what kind of shenanigans was going on I don't know but apparently at the end of the hall
there were shelves on the wall that held boxes of Olden balming tools that's kind
of cool I thought the same thing they didn't have the same reaction there was also a box in the corner that contained
blank uh plaques for the coffins that had already been removed from the house chilling that I didn't love I I didn't
like the the plaques but the embalming tools might be be very fascinating yeah I don't know if I'd want to keep them in
my house though yeah I don't know it's giving you it's giving you I don't know I don't know what that I would want I'm
fascinated by inbombing tools yeah and I can that definitely but Al and Carmen uh
were not they were shaken as they made their way back upstairs but Carmen reiterated that she couldn't bear to
look for another apartment while also taking care of Philip and the other three kids so they agreed to keep the
houses passed to themselves they weren't going to tell the kids they said you know we'll remove all the funeral items
before the kids can see them and I'll paint the walls and you know cover all those disturbing stains yeah yeah it's
fine it'll be fine seems fine the landlord special I feel like this is not going to end badly at all no NOP now by
the time they were Rock outside the landlord Mr Kar uh was said to have arrived to greet them Carmen was
surprised that he seemed amused when she asked whether the house used to be a funeral home and she said he told her oh
don't worry Miss uh sneaker the place hasn't been in use fulltime for uh two years or so oh it'd be like two years
that's two years pretty [ __ ] recent cool that's like fresh blood as far as I'm concerned that's pretty fresh he
also informed them that he would prefer that the old funeral tools remain in the
basement and he said they make great conversation pieces don't you think I mean while I agree with him I would be
on your side landlord uh no you can't maybe you should take them then well that's the thing you can't tell me what
to keep yeah you can't do that if somebody and understand you may find them fascinating other people might not
and that's okay right people can be put off by them and that's fine now it is important to state of course that this
is the neer's version of EV it's not it's not you know somebody following them with a camera and watching we don't
know that the landlord never said this but according to them that's what he said he did then you say Hey you know
yeah maybe that's not for you to say now it took a few days before the renovations were finished so Carmen and
the kids stayed in a motel room while Al uh went back to New York to finish out the last few weeks of work after all the
expenses that they had incurred the motel was an additional hardship cuz they didn't have a ton of money they
were this family was like very hard on on cash at this point cuz I mean they're the the illness the move that's a lot
that's a big family to take care of yeah exact so Carmen was relieved when a few
days later they were finally able to move into the house she and Al managed to move those objects in the basement
out over to the garage uh while the larger items like the body lift they tried to tuck into a corner to kind of
obscure it but it's a pretty big thing yeah body lift like a chain powerered body lift is not not going to be easy to
just like make into a a sculpture in the corner yeah probably not and I've never
had experience with one so I can't say but yeah it's not not going to be easy to hide yeah but try as she might Carmen
realized pretty quickly that the children were bound to find out sooner or later cuz like we just said it's not
uh easy to hide so after a few days moving in Carmen was in the kitchen washing dishes when behind her she heard
Philip enter the room and she said that he said to her quietly Mom we have to leave this house there's something evil
here oh surprised she turned around to find that Philip actually looked very serious and she was like leave we just
got here but he insisted that they needed to go back to New York and get the [ __ ] away from this house he said if
we don't leave here something bad is going to happen to us something really bad that's scary like I would be like
all right pack your [ __ ] up let's go like you know what let's go but they don't really have anywhere to go back to
which is a predicament if you will but so she explained she was like houses aren't e evil nothing here can hurt us
but Philip was not persuaded years later Carmen would say I didn't believe in ghosts I thought they were just a thing
of imagination but above all Philip's biggest concern was sleeping in his new room in the basement which I was like I
don't blame them on that one I don't know if we should put the kid fighting cancer in the musty Dusty basement with
EMB bombing tools with them bombing tools and just like it's colder down there and like musty like
it's a New England basement that's the thing it's a New England basement of a former funeral home I don't really think
this doesn't seem like a great idea yeah he didn't want to be there um he him and
Michael were going to be sharing the room but remember Michael's away so oh yes he he was in with his grandmother
Alabama with his grandmother which meant that Philip was going to have to sleep downstairs alone and he was like uh I'm
not going to do that he told Carmen he would sleep on the living room floor before he slept in that basement alone
oh same which retweet yeah no so Carmen knew that neither She nor Al had said anything to the kids about the home's
past as a funeral home and Philip hadn't said anything about it either but he just seemed to have the sense that
something was off about this place but she also was like okay it's fairly common for kids to be unhappy after a
move and Philip also has a lot on his plate right now like physical emotional stress which is true he's going through
daily treatments and the Cobalt treatments that he was getting daily had a range of side effects from faue and
hair loss to nausea and even cognitive impairments okay so they're thinking of it like yeah this potentially could be
that exactly she talked up his apprehension and anxiety just to his circumstances and she said you know what
I I just thought he would settle in eventually but a few days later when Al arrived for the weekend he reassured her
that she was probably right it was just anxiety Philip would forget about it and
and due time once he got more comfortable but Philip did not forget about it and he stayed true to his word
and he spent the first week uh sleeping on the couch in the living room he would
not set foot down there his fears of the basement were just the beginning of what
would eventually become what the family claimed was 2 years of psychological trauma and paranormal attacks who just
days after telling his mom that he felt the house was evil Philip started hearing disembodied voices saying his
name but he couldn't figure out where they were like he would hear them but couldn't pinpoint the origin oh at the
same time he felt this growing sense that he was never alone in the house or even in his bedroom it was like he was
just being watched all the time I don't like that but whenever he would experience something he couldn't explain
he fought the urge to run to his parents to tell them what would H what had happened cuz I mean they didn't believe
him so yeah so why you going to keep saying it and also he knew that they had moved to Connecticut to be closer to the
hospital so he kind of felt like he was the reason why everybody's lives got upended so he didn't want to he didn't
want to cause further problems what he saw is problem s in his mind exactly even though they were everybody was
happy to move but they were like it's okay like but he's thinking he's like a burden kind of exactly so one morning a
few weeks after moving in Philip was walking from the kitchen to the living room when he said he heard a man's voice
strong and clear say his name in a questioning tone like Phillip O so he turned slowly looking around for whoever
had called out to him but there was nobody there no in the bathroom down the hall he could hear the shower running
and he knew his mom was like in there and he was like okay maybe she's talking to herself but but that definitely
sounded like a man's voice and then he heard it again and they said Phillip he said the voice wasn't loud or Gruff but
it was clear and whoever it was they sounded irritated and continued come here Phillip O now the voice sounded
impatient like whoever it was was like expecting a response so he took a few steps toward the bathroom desperately
wanting to call out for Carmen but instead he took he so he like moved to the bathroom and he's like wanting to
call out for his mom but then he walks back to the basement to be like is it coming from down there yeah and he walks
toward the basement stairs and the door standing open and he said the voice called out again saying Phillip come
down here oh so he was like okay it's coming from the basement no thank you so he took a few more steps toward the
basement stairs and the voice called it again Phillip come down here you got to see this no can you describe it to
me I don't I don't want to see it I have a lot of plans today sorry thank you so
much and he said the tone like when it was like you got to see this was almost like joking like it was like a light
tone like a friend would be like oh my God you got to see this yeah and then the voice said again come here Phillip I
want to show you something just [ __ ] terrifying I don't like that at all I don't like it he backed away from the
basement he said slowly with the and the voice got quieter and quieter with each
step until he was in the living room where he just turned on the TV and hoped that it would drown out the man in the
basement calling for him I'm sorry if I heard somebody say my name from the basement and tell me to come down and
look at this that many times that many times there's no way I'm pulling this age this ageold Chestnut of well I
figured it would just stop and I went to sleep I never understand that cuz I'm sorry if I'm hear like there's certain
things you see something out of the corner of your eye you just move on you think you're seeing a sleep paralysis
demon and nothing's there I can get that like you just go to sleep cuz you're like that was my wacky mind right sorry
if I'm getting full-blown auditory hallucinations where I'm hearing somebody saying my name and telling me
to come downstairs and then I move closer and they continue to yeah I'm out of here I'm telling everyone I'm getting
the whole family and then I'm lighting the place of Blaze we out we out we out we out there's no way I'm turning on the
TV and hoping that that man in the basement doesn't come up to show me the thing he wanted to show me yeah that's
not my cup of tea personally that's wild I don't know so this time he did tell he
decided he was like I'm going to tell my mom about that that's a great idea that
was [ __ ] weird but she didn't take him seriously no come on your kids saying there's a person in the basement
you got to do something I think she thought that it was like a side effect of the treatments 100% probably but I'm
just looking at this from a totally third party 100% in 2024 the 2024 near the situation and so he was like no like
you got to listen it was it was and he said it was a man's voice but not a person oh no like she would somehow
understand what he was saying but she was like there's no no one downstairs Phil she she didn't even say what does
that mean she was just like there's no one downstairs like stop again like kids say wacky [ __ ] too it's like that's it's
so hard to like you don't want to feed into every single right thing like that because then you are going to cause
issues well and she also didn't want him scaring the the younger kids like she was like all right cut it out yeah like
don't make them suddenly think they're hearing and also she's got this anxiety that she's kind of shoving to the side
cuz she didn't love the idea that this place used to be a funeral home so she's like [ __ ] like please stop confirming
and she knows what's in that basement what they saw in that basement so she's probably like [ __ ] like no thanks but
all the more reason to be like [ __ ] well so she decided that she didn't want to
be wholly dismissive but wanted to soothe his anxiety so she confided in him I don't know why she thought this
I'm sorry Carmen I don't know why she thought this was gonna uh sooth his qu his Fe yeah thank
you I don't know why she thought this was going to make him feel better but she told him about the house The house's
history as a funeral home home and she said that she didn't say anything before cuz she didn't want to scare the
children and also she she was like please don't say anything to them but she was like maybe you're just picking
up on our anxieties about the history of the house and that's why you're feeling
so uneasy I don't know about that yeah I think she I mean I you don't know what to do in that situation I understand but
it's a route it's a route you can take it is it's one of those paths that you can choose iure don't know if that would
have been the one I would have chosen but yeah I don't know but you know for times I haven't been in this situation
she's also probably sleep deprived cuz she's like been doing the most so very true it's just like I don't know I think
you just confirmed his fears more than anything she said that she hoped her honesty would reassure him there was
nothing wrong with the house but um all it really did do was confirm his suspicions that this place was haunted
as [ __ ] he's like of course it is now in the weeks that followed the other kids
started reporting strange experiences in the house oh no Carmen's youngest daughter Stephanie told her mom that she
had seen a woman standing in her bedroom with quote her arms open as if she was beckoning her to come no like no thanks
no and that would also make me really angry cuz [ __ ] get out of my kids room Carmen actually figured that despite his
promise Philip had told the other kids about the funeral home past and that's what caused Stephanie to think that she
was seeing ghost but when she confronted him about it like when Carmen went to Philip and was like what the [ __ ] you're
upsetting all the younger kids now he was like I didn't say anything to them told I wasn't going to yeah so she gave
a lecture about scaring the little kids but she was like I also couldn't help but feel that he was telling the truth
like I believed him when he said he didn't say anything so they're just going through it and Alan Carmen hoped
that Philip's fears and anxiety would subside once everything got settled in the house like once the move was kind of
officially like everything unpacked you know in but things really only seemed to
get worse Philip continued hearing voices in the basement calling out to him trying to lure him down the stairs
and a few times he thought that had seen something moving in the dark at the bottom of the basement stairs but every
time he brought it up to his parents they dismissed his claims now fortunately he found an ally
and his sister Stephanie who quite a bit younger than him even though she had seen things in the house and she
believed what her brother was saying she was like I think that basement is also haunted as [ __ ] like I'm with you dude
now within just a few weeks after moving in the tension in the house was felt by
everybody Al was finishing out the last days of his job and Carmen just couldn't
wait to have him home whole time to help with the kids cuz she was losing her [ __ ] mind especially when everyone's
thinking they're hearing ghosts yeah that's a lot that's tough like they're this family is dealing with the most
philli meanwhile was now several months into cancer treatments and it was starting to take a toll on him
physically and of course emotionally so the stress was just affecting the entire
house and Carmen just didn't know what to do one afternoon while the kids were playing outside she was kind of lost in
her thoughts just mindlessly mopping the floors and she said she caught the scent
of something metallic and unpleasant and when she looked down she saw that the water in the mop bucket had become a
bright red color and had started to strain to to stain the strands of the mop so she snapped out of her thoughts
and realized that whatever was in the bucket she had smeared it all over the floor cuz she wasn't paying attention
before and then the smell made her pay attention and when she looked down everything was like Crimson colored oh
yeah so not wanting the children to see the mesh she grabbed a roll of paper towels and cleaned up everything the
best she could and she was like you know something must have been under the lenium it got into the water I don't
know yeah she was like maybe it's a chemical reaction to something but in the back of her mind she couldn't help
but think of what Philip had said about when they moved in now by Summer's end she was starting to feel more optimistic
about the move luckily her son Michael had come home from Alabama and he was he brought like very positive energy to the
house oh he brought Good Vibes he brought Good Vibes yeah and also Philip's treatments were almost done so
they had like a waiting period where things would settle a bit more and now that his brother was home Philip had
agreed to start sleeping downstairs as long as he and Michael could share a room and Michael was like yeah no
problem I bring Good Vibes I bring Good Vibes let's hang so a few nights after they settled into their shared basement
bedroom Philip told his brother about the history of the house and of the basement in particular and he expected
his brother to react with horror but he had a sibling like Elena so Michael thought this entire thing was hella
exciting see Michael with the good vibe Micha with the Good Vibes he was like this is interesting now his enthusiasm
waned slightly when Philip told him about the other things I would imagine the voices calling out from the dark
yeah that would [ __ ] me up the glimpses of things moving seeing things out of the corner of his eye like he didn't
love that now that night as they were getting uh you know ready for bed in their room Michael went upstairs to
brush his teeth and Philip was left alone in the room so he's trying not to panic he gets into bed and he says he
puts his headphones on hoping that the music would distract him until got back but out of the corner of his eye he
thought he saw something move so he froze in bed not wanting to look up but at the same time he couldn't not look so
he raised his head slowly and he looked toward the French drawers that led into the other room and he said then he saw a
man's face pale and young peering back at him through the crack in the doors which if you picture that that's [ __ ]
horrifying no that yeah that's true horror one thing about me is that I [ __ ] love French doors yep and that
could even ruin French doors for me French doors get out you're out of here yeah throw them out but he said the face
was one he had never seen before it was gaunt sickly and had dark black eyes and
he said the man's lips were moving like he was saying something but Philip couldn't hear anything he just saw that
the man was like talking but not saying anything oh why do I hate that more I do
too right okay thank you like why like I hate the idea of a man's face just looking through my French doors at me in
the middle hate the idea of a man and even just if they're sitting there just looking at you
that's the mouth moving would be the end cuz then it almost makes you feel like they're like Whispering something yeah I
don't want to hear what you have to say sir that's the thing I don't want to hear what you have to say I don't like
it it's probably some dumbass like anecdote that you're going to say that's going to [ __ ] me up for the rest of my
life and I don't need it it's it's also almost worse like not knowing what he's saying cuz then like your mind fills in
the blanks oh it's probably just like a bad opinion op a bad opinion you think I
don't need your opinion that's my opinion you gross face in the door oh gross so Philip watched in horror as he
saw the Man start to slowly reach one hand out like he was going to open the door don't do that and at that moment
Philip had finally gathered the courage to kick those sheets off the bed and he took two stairs at a time up the
basement steps my God I felt that in my legs you know that crazy ass feeling in your legs when you're running up from
the basement yes you have to shut the light off and you're running six stairs at a time but you feel that that bur go
got burning like and your back whenever I like run away from something freaky I feel like my back like locks kind of you
know what I mean oh and you just feel like there's electricity in your legs that are like tingling up your oh I can
feel it right now even my ears are prickly that made my legs hurt so he burst into the living room
and he crashed to his knees when he was finally in the safety of the living room
but the commotion Drew everybody to the living room it of course and everybody gathered around philli as he was just
breathlessly trying to explain what he had seen in the basement oh my God now Al rushed down the stairs unsure of what
he would find there he's probably like is there a person in the basement like yeah so he rushes down into the basement
to check everything out but finds nothing there and when he came back up to the living room he was [ __ ] pissed
oh I don't like that so he hey yeah he yelled at Philip demanding that he stop telling childish ghost stories and start
acting his age oh don't do that which like that's really [ __ ] the kid is clearly upset yeah and then from the
sounds of it at least then they just sent everyone to bed oh come on parenting in the 80s yeah I was just
going to say that's some ' 80s parenting right there I WR my notes Here not a parenting win no definitely not you got
to talk through that [ __ ] yeah that's can't dismiss fears like that you got to
Gentle parent your way through that [ __ ] oh parents in the 80s were so far away
from gentle parenting it's not even that's where that I'll give you something to cry about originated that
line that's the yeah I'll give you something a fear ghost about yep they definitely wasn't going to have like a
talk through feelings at that moment no definitely not so the weeks passed the voices and the apparitions became a
common part of the boy lives years later Michael said the first time I seen a ghost it appeared with cat-like eyes
glowing up on the ceiling looking down on my bed oh so even he's experiencing it you know my um my uncle used to tell
me that I had cat eyes really yeah they turn orange sometimes I could see that yeah so maybe that was me you're
weird you're so weird don't do that you're weird you're weird that was such a like [ __ ]
response you're weird you're weird I didn't know what to say to that yeah I honestly I probably wouldn't either so
but the ghosts moved about the rooms in the basement sometimes Michael said they
would like study him and philli from the corners of the room just kind of like looking at them
and other times they would whisper to each other in hush tones that sound [ __ ] rude yeah they would whisper and
he said it sounded to them like the hiss of a lizard or a snake like e no I don't know that was my best that
was my best shot like when you touch the end like a candle that's gone out if you touch it
with your finger that just sounds like boom roasted it does you know but Philip hoped having Michael home would make
things better but now his parents were just accusing him of filling Michael's head with these scary stories cool yeah
everybody's kind of being a dick to philli yeah but yeah oh so despite oh I see that you
know it's just okay I'll hang tight over here yeah hang T but despite her near certainty that it was nothing more than
just silly ghost stories Carmen still couldn't shake the feeling that something about the stories that her
boys were telling about these pale menacing figures dressed in [ __ ] suits was genuine she said they seemed
the stories just seemed too outrageous to be true but also too detailed to have been made up on the spot so she was like
I [ __ ] hate this and you could tell when your kids are really scared yeah like you really can you can tell that's
the thing and I think she saw that in them especially as like a mama yeah like she saw that in them it's real fear she
was like I don't want to believe any of this you might not believe that it's like this ghosts down there scaring your
kids but something is upsetting your child yeah she's worried about genuinely yeah so the end of summer brought some
welcome distractions as three of the four kids returned to school that gave Carmen some alone time Al finally moved
into the house for good like he got transferred but whatever relief the distractions brought was soon
overshadowed by a series of undeniable experiences that would forever change the family oh Al had only been home
about a week or so when his first experience happened he got woken up in the middle of the night from The Sound
of like movement and hushed voices he said to him it sounded like somebody was in the house but didn't want to be
detected so immediately he's like what the [ __ ] yeah I don't like that so he listened closely for a moment or two and
then he heard the faint sound of music playing in the distance and he said it sounded like 30s music from an old
victrola along with the music I could hear three or four older men okay that's like kind of awesome
okay so glad you had that reaction so did I yeah you hear like an old victrola three old guys just chatting it up let's
[ __ ] go girls I'm like what are you guys talking about let's let's do this you want a beer yeah let's go throw that
VC troll on so he got out of bed he followed the sounds assuming that he would find one of the kids in the living
room like watching TV or something listening to a victrola listening to a VCT trola yeah talking like an old man
yeah exactly but when he got to the hallway he discovered that the sounds seemed to be coming from the basement oh
at first he thought that you know maybe it was Michael and Phillip but also it didn't sound like just two boys it was
loud like it sounded like a party he was like did they sneak friends into the basement did they find a vict troll yeah
you know kids in their victrola parties are they're a problem like parents of the world Dave wrote in the notes here
he goes if they had why would they be listening to such mournful Antiquated music that's what I don't go like why so
they snuck a bunch of kids in just to listen to a vrola just to listen to quote unquote mournful Antiquated music
Dave's Dave's comments are my absolute favorite Dave for for the win so he started down the stairs expecting to
find this group of kids listening to Antiquated music but when got but when he got about halfway down he stopped
because he realized that the basement was completely dark and he could still hear hush tones of multiple voices
talking but he could also hear the slow steady breathing of his kids like they were asleep oh now when he noticed that
like when he heard them sleeping that was when the music stopped and the people stopped talking like very
abruptly oh I don't like that yeah he slowly pushed open the French doors and stepped inside and he said it was
unnaturally and inex ably fing in that room like but for he was like I don't know why it was so cold in
there cuz it was like a 100 ghosts in there having a vrola party having a bigle party a vrola party but so he just
went back to bed didn't say anything to kman about what he experienced communication is not key here I guess
wow this is so 80s but a few hours later he woke up again and this time the bed was like vibrating underneath him like
shaking so he just lay there stay he said staring at at the ceiling and trying to ignore the fact that his
[ __ ] bed is vibrating let's stop ignoring this stuff guys let's definitely at some point he said it got
to be too much to ignore so he got up and went into the living room to watch TV and just tried to like put the nights
events out of his head valid it's like I'm going to go watch the T yeah I'm just you know what hey my my bed is
vibrating so if you need me I'll be in the living or watching the television go what the what do you turn on that's what
I was just wonder I was going to say like oh I'll just go turn and I was like what do you do would you turn on my
immediate thought was the simple life Gilmore Girls boom comfort that would be it our different forms of comfort so
later once they were out of the house and living elsewhere Alan Carmen would talk of their experiences like they kind
of started like suddenly out of nowhere but the truth was each of them was having their own experiences but they
just never shared them with each other oh damn so like she had experienced the same thing too both of them also saw
things move out of the corner of their eye they heard sounds they heard voices and Carmen said more than once she had
woken up to the bed vibrating underneath her but she just never told her husband
and then there was also Philip's Behavior he had always been a really well- behaved respectful kid but after
moving into the new apartment they said his personality really started to change
he was more defiant he was challenging he was like Sullen which you could chalk up to the fact that he's a young kid
going through cancer like he's probably pretty [ __ ] pissed off at life I would be but more disturbing was the
fact that he actually had come to enjoy spending time in the basement oh which like he was he was so scared remember of
the basement that he was sleeping in the living room and then all of a sudden they couldn't get him out of the
basement like he loved being down there no I don't like that so Carmen she said she tried to ignore everything by
focusing on volunteer work with the church and Al turned to alcohol to quiet his mind but soon the horror in the
house was unavoidably present One Night in the winter Al woke up and in the middle of the night by the shaking and
at first he thought it was just the vibrating of the bed but soon he realized it was Carmen shaking him out
of his sleep like waking him up and she yelled to him that their bed was vibrating but for the first time since
this happened both of them could feel it at the same time o and in the weeks that
followed Carmen said that she would often hear a mocking laughter coming from behind her when she was at the sink
doing dishes oh I don't like that and Al could hear sound the sounds of things moving around the house and that they
said that there was always the faint Sound of Music coming from the basement like even when like Philip wasn't
playing music down there like it was like old weird [ __ ] music Trolla party music exactly holy [ __ ] now in
June of 1987 just about a year after the family moved into the house Carmen got a
call from her sister Megan in Alabama and Megan explained that her she was going through like a really bad time
with her health and on top of that she and her husband were going through a really messy divorce and she was hoping
that Alan kmen would be willing to take her two daughters 12-year-old Mary and 17-year-old Kelly just until she was
able to get back on her feet yeah so Carmen talked it over with Al that afternoon and they agreed that if Megan
needed help they wanted to lend a hand that's nice of them yeah now Carmen knew that you know helping her sister was the
right thing to do but she also felt very apprehensive about bringing more people
into an already like super chaotic house at this point the experience that the experiences that she and Al had been
having never talking about ever had continued and Philip's behavior and general demeanor was just getting worse
over the year like he was spending a lot of his time in his bedroom alone and even more disturbing was the way that he
talked about the ghosts he had once been like we just said terrified to be alone
in the basement and now they said he preferred the spirits of the Dead to the company of his own family and had even
started calling the spirits his friends okay which is like I would hate that yeah we're going into a a dark
place now yeah mm so by that fall Carmen's nieces settled into the house they didn't really like once they got
settled they felt like they were like part of the family they weren't just guests I just want to give a trigger
warning here um for like sexual assault oh yes it gets very rough here uh it's quick but it's not awesome so one night
in the early fall Mary and Kelly were asleep in their beds when Philip's quote unquote friends told him that it was
quote time to go visiting with his cousins so he went up the stairs from the basement to the main floor as
quietly as he could trying not to wake anybody up and he crept into the girls room where they were deep in sleep and
he stood over Kelly he put a hand on her shoulder to see if it would wake her and
when she didn't wake up he moved his hand down to her chest so he like groped her in her sleep what the [ __ ] later he
would claim that the men in the basement forced him to do what he did according to him the voices pointed out that Kelly
was is quote too big and could defend herself cuz she's the older girl this is so [ __ ] up it's this is very dark and
like actually very hard to even talk about but on the other side of the room he said that the the ghosts were telling
him that there was someone much smaller who probably wouldn't resist him so Philip turned away from Kelly and walked
toward Mary's bed and did the same thing to her oh my God now 2 Days Later Kelly
told Carmen that she had actually walked in on Phillip attempting to do the same
thing to Mary again and that she stopped him before he could get very far so Kelly did put a stop to this now Carmen
was stunned like Philip had changed his personality had darkened quite a bit but
she never thought he was capable of something like this these are his [ __ ] cousins and this is disgusting
and I don't want to hear about [ __ ] ghosts telling you to go molest your cousins like get out of here so I will
say it sounds like Carmen did the right thing she went and confronted him like and was like what the [ __ ] but he denied
everything with a smirk on his face oh I hate that so she was super frustrated and she didn't know what to do with him
so she called the police and reported the assault like on her own child that I mean that must have been the hardest
thing for her to ever have to do obviously the correct thing to do but cuz it's also her nieces you know like
that's a horrible position for her to be in those poor nieces I know especially going through everything that they're
already going through yeah so that afternoon Philip was taken to uh taken by police to the local Precinct and
questioned about the accusation of assault and he confessed after some questioning that he had been sneaking
into their room at night and touching them regularly while they slept God he also trigger warning this is really
horrible he said he quote attempted unsuccess unsuccessfully to have sex with his 12-year-old cousin what the
[ __ ] yeah so he was taken from the police station immediately to a juvenile detention center pH bye he was
interviewed at at length by a prison psychiatrist who told Alan Carmen that in his opinion Philip was experiencing
symptoms of early onset schizophrenia oh God yeah the diagnosis obviously was devastating for his parents but it also
kind of explained his behavior over the previous year the ghosts the voices the depression and now these assaults yeah
it's making more sense it is so the doctor recommended that Philip be placed in a psychiatric unit for 60 days of
observation and then from there they would develop a treatment plan but until they could find a bed for him
at the hospital uh the psychiatrist recommended that he remain in the juvenile detention center because he
didn't think it would be safe for the family to have Philip return home makesense obviously yeah so Philip's
diagnosis the assaults on their nieces they were devastating for Carmen Allan the kids but at the very least Carmen
hoped that with Philip out of the house for a while things would finally go back
to normal mhm she was wrong in the days and weeks that followed strange occurrences in house continued there was
inexplicable noises flashes of movement from the corners of the room there was always that strange music playing in the
middle of the night oh I hate that and having been traumatized by the assaults Mary no longer wanted to stay in the
house so Carmen had to make arrangements for her to stay with her other sister in
Connecticut that poor girl and a few days after her sister moved out of the house Kelly started having her own
horrific experiences in the middle of the night she had heard like everybody else in the house talk about the ghost
but she she was like maybe I heard a few like weird noises but I never knew what
to make of anything I never saw anything but then one night as she was trying to
fall asleep she felt something touching her leg she said later I couldn't see it
but it was freezing cold so she said she threw back the sheets and she kicked out
whatever was touching her but it only crept closer and moved up her calf oh so she didn't know what to do so she
grabbed her Rosary that she kept next to her bed and she started saying the Lord's Prayer over and over but the
cross in her hand suddenly bent she said like somebody was trying to rip it from
her hands violently what the [ __ ] so she screamed for her aunt and uncle and from
their bed Carmen heard her niece screaming for help in a way that by then was familiar from all the times that
Philip and Michael had claimed to see ghosts Carmen said I grabbed my Bible from the nightstand and I'm just saying
to myself I've got to find something to put all these ghost stories to rest I've
had it up to here with the ghost stories but when she so she entered Kelly's room
and she doesn't see anything but she listen she listened as Kelly explained what she felt and later Carmen said I
didn't believe her I thought the older boys had gotten her excited about the stories in the funeral home but the
scene repeated itself the next night and Carmen approached it with the same skepticism as she had the night before
but on the third night she just could not deny what was happening to Kelly and Trigger warning for sexual assault here
this was really awful that evening when Kelly yelled for help Carmen went into the room expecting to find nothing but
she said she found her struggling on the bed and when she went closer she saw a hand or she felt a hand sorry push her
back violently and she caught a glimpse of what was attacking her niece she said
I saw an arm the knuckles and Joints go up under her night shirt up over her breast and back through the wall at that
point I realized something was going on what the [ __ ] is going on here it only gets worse what so much worse oh my
after that night the attack on the entire family escalated to the point that one or more of the family members
were being attacked or harassed like daily holy [ __ ] at first Kelly seemed to be the main target and she was assaulted
several more times God by this unseen entity she said this [ __ ] of a ghosta she said the covers would be pulling off
the bed there would be voices and lots of scratches and she said it seemed as though with Philip out of the house the
ghost had shifted the attention to the other me members of the family and nobody was spared wow one evening after
Carmen had fallen asleep in the bed next to her husband The Entity turned its attention toward Al the uh he he I have
like a quote here of his experience and it's uh triggering I would say oh boy so
he told Sally Jesse Raphael I felt a strange sensation coming over my body it started at my feet and was climbing up
through my body before I had a chance to reach over to tell kmen to tell her something was wrong I was frozen and
couldn't move then I felt a stinging penetration in my anal area and I was trying to scream to cry out for Carmen
to help me somehow but I couldn't move after a while I don't know how long it got it had gone away and there was no
more sensation I woke Carmen up and I said Carmen I think I was just sodomized by this
demon yikes I I have no words I have so many feelings do carry on Okay so he said
when he tried to explain to Carmen what happened uh he struggled to find the right words he said and this is sad he
said it wasn't like a normal rape not like a personto person type like he felt like this was like an entity this is
horrific no it really is it reminds me of the um we covered it the SML family yes yes I thought of them too so a few
nights later Carmen had her own experience with the entity in the middle of the night she said when it would take
me sexually assault me it would laugh with such pleasure it enjoyed what it was doing to me and I just couldn't move
it was the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced so this started with like voices seeing things out of the
corner of their eyes and then it turned to fullblown like sexual assault demon style this is uh this is so much this is
not just a regular haunting this isn't a run-of-the-mill uh haunt it's not this isn't uh one of those fun ones yeah it's
definitely not nope so after more than 2 years at this point the family knew that
they couldn't just you know continue living like this being attacked nightly but they didn't really know what to do
or how they should even proceed their first instinct was to call the police but uh you can't what are you going to
say what are you going to say and they didn't think any anybody would believe them so instead Carmen turned to their
church for comfort and hoped that their priest father Wheatley would have some idea about what to do he did not I'm
shocked he had like one idea but it didn't really work out he had one idea he had like one idea he had a crumb of
an idea didn't really pan out though a few days later father Wheatley came over he was sitting in the living room and he
listened as Carmen told him about what had been happening and you know he was patient he was supportive but as Carmen
suspected he was he was skeptical to say the least he said your entire family has
been through a great deal but then he rattled off a list of the traumas that they had experienced since Philip had
been diagnosed with cancer and then you know everything else they had gone through yeah so he was essentially being
like you've gone through a lot and I think it's manifesting uh this way yeah but he
still offered to bless the house and he assured Carmen that he and the congregation would continue to be a
source of support for them but whatever relief Carmen felt after father wheatle blessed the house was very short-lived
because apparently hours after the priest left the house she was violently assaulted in her bedroom and that
experience only ended when Kelly burst into the bedroom and like saved her wow so after all that had happened in the
house nobody felt comfortable living there anymore but Alan Carmen didn't have any money to move like they were
stuck there that's usually the worst thing in these scenarios you're like I wouldn't stay there and then you're like
but where are you going to go exactly they hoped that the blessing would get rid of whatever was attacking them but
it actually only seemed to make whatever this was this entity angrier and more aggressive so as she sat thinking about
what they should do she remembered a magazine that her friend had given her a week or so earlier and in there was an
article about this Connecticut husband and wife team they were like Paranormal experts who specialized in Demon cases
I've never really heard of anybody like that no me either no yeah Carmen went into the living room she found the
magazine and she flipped the pages until she came to this article about Ed and Lorraine Warren you said Ed and Lorraine
yeah it doesn't really I'm I'm interested to hear about these folks these newcomers on the scene good old Ed
and lorine the article said that the Warren lived in Monroe which was just uh less than an hour away so Carmen called
information and was able to get their number oh boy she called and Lorraine picked up on the first ring she said
yellow she said hello it's line it's me Lorraine Warren demon demon exorcist At Your Service that's literally how she
answered the phone I know it me too so then Carmen immediately launched into her story so fast and with so much
intensity that lorine had to ask her to slow down several times and she was like
you need to take a breath you got to start over when Carmen finally got through the story lorine told her to
keep her Rosary handy and to use it that evening if there were any attacks but that she and her husband would be there
at that house the very next morning hell yeah they are and just as they promised
Ed and lorine Warren showed up at the house a little after 9:00 a.m. that very next morning Ed and line and they
interviewed Alan Carmen in the living room Carmen had worried about how she sounded on the phone the previous
afternoon and couldn't help that the Warren probably wouldn't believe her but before she could say anything more Ed
said we'd like to know that if we sound as if we doubt what you're saying that's
not the case at all we just have to be sure in every way we possibly can be that the things you tell us about have
been brought on by Supernatural forces okay so his words were a relief to Alan Carmen they felt like somebody was
finally going to help them somebody was finally listening and in Late July of 1988 Ed and Lorraine Warren started
their investigation into this family's haunting here we go it would ultimately last several months and it actually
involved the Warren living in the house with the family for 9 weeks that is so Ed and line coded I
can't even wee and F din for nine weeks straight they said roomies company roomies I like the little finger gun you
they did both of them did finger guns and said roomies and Ed said I'm literally So Random so Random you're
watching a haunting your house moving in your house God we were watching a haunting the other night with Mikey and
Dave and was there was like another casee likee he snorting it was like another case and this like person got uh
possessed at a table with Ed and like shoved him back in his chair but he's like making this like the actor that
plays him is making this face like and Mikey goes I'm literally So Random we were crying so now whenever
picture it's all I think about yep he's literally So Random literally he's so random but according to random Ed Warren
whatever was in the house was demonic in nature of course he said it's very old very cunning and absolutely without a
doubt very very evil mean you know yeah not nice just overall bad time Lorraine explained that demonic infestations like
the one that the family was experiencing quote always occur in a five-step progression encroachment infestation
oppression possession and finally death oh and she said that somebody probably Phillip had either knowingly or
unknowingly let the demon into the house and ever since then it had been working
to drive the family apart and Destroy them damn real nice whoever let the demon in I know but Lorraine was quick
to add that things weren't as dire as they seemed she told Alan Carmen we can fight it but only with the help of God
will we win okay I would think that God's like really busy yeah he I mean he's got a lot to worry about so that's
a little nerve-racking yeah but for more than two years Carmen and Al had struggled to understand what was
happening in their house and now they were finally getting some answers so they were happy yeah in a 1988 interview
Carmen said you always think am I going crazy did I imagine all this but the Warren gave them both perspective and
reminded them that they weren't alone and Carmen said the big problem is is whether or not so many people could be
crazy this isn't happening to one person that's true so she was like this happens
all the time and there you go you know I mean there's a little thing called hysteria but there is that but we'll put
that to the side I I I'm just here to say that I believe in hauntings I do too I very much believe in ghosts not sure
about this one but uh just you know just laying it all out just you know this is
the story we look at it from all angles it's a crazy story no matter what it's a
nut bag story this is a nut bag story a bag of nuts but in the in the months SL weeks of their investigation the Warr
ends along with their assistance they always have assistance oh yeah who is who is edin L Lorraine Warren's
assistant not now obviously but like who is that person there's multiple yeah that's what I'm like who who is the
person that help are you in your life like who who goes for that job I don't know I'm not saying it's a bad person
I'm just saying like who are you yeah if you were one of edin Lorraine Warren's assistants I just want to know hit us up
what was it like be like what yeah tell me I don't know anything I'm just I'm here yeah well they had like all
different kinds of people work for them like that even the episode we were watching the other night the one the
girl that got possessed was their assistant and she was Clair voyant oh yeah you're right so they always had
people with like different gifts were sensitive to the yeah like empaths yeah the sad this time their assistants were
John zafus and Chris mckennell um and they claimed to have experienced a variety of unpleasant and assaultive
experiences in the house that's scary on the first night in the house Z zapis excuse me and mckinnel claimed to quote
have suffered Burning Sensations when they tried to Corner this their Supernatural foe oh I love that and yeah
I love Supernatural foe we are Supernatural foe that that's a great one that [ __ ] slaps that's a banger of a
band Nam Supernatural oh yeah listen to their Supernatural flow oh boom just being like hey have you
heard the new Supernatural foe album what would it I love I love so much oh it would the first the first album would
be called ectoplasm whoa you should be a tour manager yeah I like this a lot but that
night every when they were you know facing off their Supernatural foe not the band the actual foe the actual
everybody in the house heard heavy footsteps banging noises there were flickering lights a ton of [ __ ] in one
instance Al had just fallen asleep and he was awoken by a noise and a bright flashing light and he said from within
the light emerged the dead decaying face of Jesus Christ that mocked him and tell
and told him there was nothing he could do to help this is when we really need to
start filming these because I just took the most judgmental sip of water I I'm just going to say had you seen the sip
of water that I said I said clingy clang clang raise eyebrows sip cuz like what a
what a [ __ ] move like it just be like nothing you can do about a loser it was like the demon it was the demon that was
not Jesus no it's not Christlike I just picture this like a decaying face of Christ just being like nobody likes you
boo you [ __ ] you're dumb I wish the decaying face of Jesus looked at Alan and said boo you [ __ ] boo you [ __ ]
that's funny I don't actually wish that but feel like I don't moving forward that's just there's some Wy sentences
being spoke during this I think that's that's where I am there are some Wy sentences the sentences spoken during
this are off the chart imagine having to speak them in a storytelling voice I love it well as the Warren and their
assistants continued their investigation the Demonic forces in the house were just growing stronger Bolder at one
point they even tried to possess Carmen oh F and it was at that point that Ed concluded the only way to confidently
get rid of the entities in this house was to have a Catholic priest perform an exorcism brought to you by Catholic
priest performing exorcisms let's go after the attack on Carmen Ed made a few calls allegedly in order to get uh
allegedly yeah very allegedly man in order to get permission from the Catholic arch dicese of Hartford oh [ __ ]
got real according to Ed and Lorraine Warren on September 6th 1988 two Roman Catholic priests and a deacon arrived at
the house and performed the exorcism which successfully drove the demons out of the home The Vibes so anti-climactic
oh that was just it they just came and they were like well we did it yes oh all right thanks priest yeah and Deacon it's
uh unclear how it happened but within a week or two word of the exorcism reached
the press as it always does exorcisms are always going to reach the Press you can't ever sweep an exorcism under the
rug yeah what are the things you can count on in life death death taxes taxes and word of the exorcism reaching the
press three things you can count on in life Tru so this family and the Warrens were flooded with calls from reporters
seeking a comment on the story Ed told a reporter an exorcism has been performed
in the house and it's been very successful but someone going into that house and performing a seance or some
type of ritual could bring it back there's something in that house that is intangible it's invisible it has the
power to inflict physical pain it is something something that is very evil oh yeah sounds like a movie it sure does in
his initial statement to the Press Ed Warren insisted quote the ritual was sanctioned by the arch dases of Hartford
but I smelled a butt I smell the butt coming when they were contacted for comment a spokesperson for the dicese
refuted those claims Reverend John gatsik I believe it is said from what I can gather there was an exorcism
performed and supposedly it was with the arch Bishop's permission but according to gatsik the dases never received any
formal request for an exorcism and as far as he knew none had been performed by any of his people I'm pretty sure
that Ed and Lorraine have a couple of those under their belt where they say they contact the arch dases of goopo
yeah and then they don't and then something happens and then the church is like we we didn't do that yeah that's
happened in at least one of our other stories I feel like that's kind of like that's like their thing yeah like you
know like we all have our thing did we contact the arch dicese or no like you know like like ash loves leopard print
yeah um I love I love ghost and Eden Lorraine Warren love to not contact the arch dicese of blah blah blah to get
permission precisely and this guy this uh Reverend said no permission has been given nor is there any intention in the
near future to have an exorcism performed because I'm pretty sure the church is like I mean at least like the
Catholic church I don't know about like all churches but I'm pretty sure they're
like not interested in exorcisms anymore yeah I'm pretty sure that's yeah I think got
them a bad rep at but I definitely I I think it's bad press for them I don't think they they love an exorcism I don't
think so either but in late I was going to say in late exorcism in the late exorcisms in late September rather just
a week after The Exorcism of the home the the family moved out of the house although the house was supposedly clear
of any de demonic activity after the exorcism the trauma that they claimed to have endured while living there made it
very difficult to stay Carmen told a reporter the memories and things that have happened we'll never feel
comfortable in that house again my children are frightened to the point where they don't want to go to the
bathroom alone that's so sad which is sad that's really sad so they they moved back to New York and their experiences
with the Paranormal seemed to come to an end but interest in their story only grew in the years that followed the move
between 1988 and 1992 several members of the family gave interviews to the press
and they came on uh they appeared on popular National talk shows there was Sally Jesse Raphael Larry King live my
personal favorite the Mory Povich Show oh my do you remember when you would stay home from school and watch the Mory
poage show and like change the channel when your mom would come in the best absolutely and Sally Jessie Raphael is
like a blast from the past she's the one with the glasses right red glasses I never watched her show cuz I think it
was like before my time yeah but I think so Mory Povich honey Mory poic wasn't Mor like the governor of somewhere at
one point was he I'm pretty sure was the governor of somewhere I'm going he just
looked at be like I don't know I mean you could absolutely be right but I don't remember that
Governor there's like Mory and then there's another guy there's one guy that was like the governor or something or
like the mayor was he like another talk show host yes think about like Jerry Springer was he somewhere yeah Jerry
Springer it is Jerry Springer oh he served as one year for mayor for Jerry Springer did Cincinnati Jerry Springer
wow I didn't know that yeah fun fact I wasn't allowed to watch Jerry Springer oh honey I wasn't allowed to watch any
of this but I was watching it I was M wasn't super crazy about like myy but she wasn't like forbidden but Jerry
Springer was forbidden in our house um my friend shout out to Taran once skipped school and I think it was Jerry
Springer she went to go see the Jerry Springer Show but her mom saw her in the audience and knew that she skipped
school to go to the Jerry Springer Show what an experience love you T but uh so yeah they were doing like all these talk
show appearances and according to Carmen their appearances in the press and on telev on telev we're getting to the end
on the television television she said they were motivated by a quote desire to help others with similar problems and
discourage people from dabbling in the Supernatural That's entirely possible but critics and Skeptics of this story
couldn't help but notice that the media attention culminated in a book about the
haunting that was written by Ed Warren in horror author uh Ray garden with the help of the family ah and those critics
may have had a good point because in a dark place the true story of a haunting was released in 1992 and all the media
attention that the story had received up to that point only help to promote the book look at that in a statement to the
reporters the owner of the house darl Kern our guy dismissed the family's claims and he said he had never received
any complaints about the house not even from that particular family wow he said they're just trying to make a buck on a
book as far as I'm concerned it's a Dead Issue oh among the more vocal of the sneaker's critics were the tenants on
the second floor because remember this was an apartment yeah Ivonne and Jim Safford and ivonne's brother Richard
were their neighbors on the second floor and Avon told a reporter I've been here
for 2 years and I haven't seen or heard anything wow that's that'll tell you that's a
little you know yeah in October of 1992 the safford's actually appeared alongside the sticers on Sally Jesse
Raphael for an episode titled I was raped by a ghost early '90s talk shows went crazy they went absolutely crazy
they went off they went Bonk you could never get away with the [ __ ] they used to get away with now never in the
episode the sneakers talked about their experiences focusing mostly on the sexual assaults that they said happened
uh after which the Safford were brought on stage to refute their claims Jim Safford said the most obvious thing for
me is the inconsistencies in their story I researched it with my wife and a close
relative of the sers told me there was nothing to it that they were making it up just for the money wow and in fact
Ivon claimed that the entire story was made up after the sneers started having really bad financial troubles I wondered
if which is sad Ivon told Sally Jesse Raphael they never had a problem till they got behind on the rent o which like
that's mean you don't need to like air their dirty laundry damn other neighbors soon joined the chorus of those who
believed that the sneakers were lying a friend of Phillips uh Jeff poer told Sally Jesse rapael that Philip had a
history of using hallucinogenic drugs oh and that went a long way to explaining the change in his behavior yes
absolutely he said I personally don't think there was anything going on there he was a Storyteller he always had to be
center of attention similarly the saker's neighbor across the street Catherine uh altimus
kept a journal of all the disruptive events and claimed that many of the loud noises and other claims that the sticers
made could just be explained by traffic sounds and cars with loud mufflers oh it
was her opinion that they had planned this from the moment that they moved in ah and even those who had been once
supportive of the sneers like nextdoor neighbor Joan Mirabel started to get suspicious after the story started to
spread she said I don't believe they made the whole thing up but every time I've seen kmen on TV the story became
more and more involved and it just got bigger yeah and that's when you know yeah among the more suspicious claims of
the story at least as far as locals were concerned was that they had no idea the
house had been the former location of a funeral home like they thought that was Mar Malarkey yeah according to Daryl
Kern who was the landlord uh the sneakers were told of the houses history before they rented the funeral home had
only shut down 2 years before they moved in and at the time that Carmen went to look at the apartment the old sign for
the business was still standing in the front yard come on and could easily be seen from the road okay there you go
yeah now while the criticism from skeptical neighbors was a prominent feature of the books publicity there
were perhaps none more skeptical of the sneakers than members of committee for the scientific investigation of claims
of the Paranormal or CSI cup you know that's kind of their job that's actually their entire job for job for those who
don't know they're a national group of scientists and Industry expert and it's their mission to promote critical
thinking in America I mean I love that yeah beginning in the mid 1970s CSI cop I I don't know if that's actually what
they're called but it's very fun to call sounds hilarious though they were very vocal critics of Ed and Lorraine Warren
as they should be and they saw this particular case the sneaker case as part of a pattern where the Warren were just
kind of promoting their own agenda yeah the Warren had some had done something very similarly a decade earlier with the
story of George and Kathy Lutz the family who inspired the idville horror and we all know how that one went which
we will be covering this spooky season we will because that is attached to a very real and very tragic story very
tragic uh CSI cop member Joe nickel wrote already having helped promote the Amityville Horror and similar West
pitson Pennsylvania nightmare the Warren continued their modus operandi of arriving at a quote unquote haunted
house and transforming the case into a quote unquote demonic one and you know claiming that they contact the arch
dases of a place not doing it also their thing that's a pattern of behavior Jo nickel don't [ __ ] forget that yeah
don't forget it that's their thing yeah Joe was one of the many Skeptics who spoke out publicly against the family
including appearing alongside them on Sally Jesse Raphael and the Mory Povich Show that's that's awesome I love that
everybody was like just beefing on television just beefing on daytime television like let's go just beefing
while everybody's at work yeah but like several other critics he pointed out the
many inconsistencies in the family story including the fact that contrary to how
it had been presented in the press the family did not actually move from the house
voluntarily uh nickel wrote long before the Sally show the saker's landl had served them with an eviction notice for
failing to pay their rent which is very sad he also pointed to several other facts about the family that were not
mentioned in the book or in their many television and media appearan appearances including the sexual assault
allegations Al's history of alcoholism and a very long history of just dysfunction in general yeah it sounds
like it and he noted that perhaps most telling was that many years after its publication Ed Warren's co-author on in
a dark place Ray Garden he repudiated the book and the Warren which is not great yeah I'm like
Jo join the long the long line of people yeah not a great thing for the story no
definitely not he quoted the garden as uh not the garden he quoted Garten as saying the family involved which was
going through some serious problems like alcoholism and drug addiction could not
keep their story straight and I became very frustrated it's hard writing a non-fiction book when all the people
involved are telling you different stories oh very sad that is sad it's kind of sad all the way through and then
it gets like realistically sad in the end oh no yeah in 1993 after the release of in a dark place had made them uh very
controversial Stars yeah Alan Carmen moved to moved their family to Tennessee to kind of like quiet down a little bit
Carmen's family lived out there but despite the controversy surrounding the story and the large number of Skeptics
and critics uh the book actually sold really well for the first couple years and in the mid 2000s members of the
family appeared in a featurelength docu drama for the Discovery Channel entitled
A Haunting in Connecticut that's oh I remember that y the family they told their story it was dramaticized with
interviews and paid actors and then in 2009 the story would surface again this time as the source material for The
Haunting in Connecticut which is a mostly fictionalized version of what they say actually happened artistic
license yes yes uh since the release of The Haunting in Connecticut members of the sneer family have tried to stay out
of the spotlight and in the decades that followed um Philip's cancer remained in
remission but in late 2011 his cancer returned and he passed away on January 9th 2012 at the age of 38 oh damn
yeah and that is the end of the sneaker family haunting AKA The Haunting in Connecticut wow it's a Wy story that's a
truly Wy story and anytime it involves that in Lorraine I say sign me up cuz it's you know it's going to be cucko
nuts bananas it's going to take you into another realm yeah and aren't we all just looking for that we're always
looking for that Ed and Loren are such like fascinating creatures like they're such a fascinating case study they are
on you know scammers that I think also believe some of the stuff that they pedal that's the thing because I don't
believe I I definitely believe that they were like scamming people yeah but I don't believe
that I I think they I think they believed some of their [ __ ] I think they believed some of their [ __ ] like I don't
believe they were 100% scammers I I really do believe that they they at least believed some of it yeah and I
think I think it got bigger than them and they were just like all right I think they just
it and they saw what Wasing for them and they saw the dollar signs and they they
turned it into what it shouldn't have been yeah but that's what I think they're Fascinating People I agree
fascinating creatures that in l l and also so Random literally So Random with such a serious pattern of behavior truly
the arch dicese of it all you know just the arch dases of it all is just a great
way to wrap up there it really is it is it's great a like two truths and a lie for them yes like that one of their
truths or lies can be like call say I call the arch dices but I never do or I always call the arch dicese and maybe
that's the truth or maybe it's the LIE who knows who tell it's Lorraine Ed Warren you know Wy [ __ ] they're crazy
well we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it we but not so weird that you don't actually call the arch
dases if you say you're going to call the arch dases because if you call the arch dicese and
you lie about it they'll get mad yeah just do it if you say you're going to do it you know I just kind of like to say
Arch dases call hello it's us the arch dases [Music] [Music]

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Brief Summary

The Sneer family's haunting in Connecticut escalates from illness to paranormal terror, leading to an exorcism by Ed and Lorraine Warren.

Key points

Book Tour Reflections. Ash and Elena share their experiences from a successful book tour, filled with laughter and exhaustion.
Carmen's Dream. Carmen has a chilling dream that foreshadows the dark history of their new home.
Philip's Warning. Philip insists they leave the house, claiming something evil is present.
The Basement Voice. Philip hears a voice calling him from the basement, increasing his fear.
Carmen's Cleaning Incident. Carmen discovers a strange, red liquid in her mop bucket, raising her suspicions.
Philip's Terrifying Encounter. Philip sees a man's face in the French doors, prompting a panic response.

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