Who Killed Jill Dando /// Part 2 /// 752 | Forensic Files

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crime around [Music] the investigation of course is going to lead us to some suspects they had some
good leads early on we've argued already how great those leads were but what we do get is some suspects so let's take a
look here captain at a couple of suspects in in this case we have inspector Campbell who initially said
that he believed that the killer would be found within Jill's personal life Jill as we know was an attractive woman
with a very successful job and career but she also had a significant dating history it was considered more likely
that this would be the connection rather than her work or something else in particular because the suspects seem to
have staked out her house waiting for her and then had shoved her to the ground and shot her at very close range
so they're working believing that it's possible that this was someone who knew not only where she lived but somebody
that had feelings for her or was very angry with her at the time of the murder you could make the argument if she was
possibly seeing somebody else and then she gets engaged and they thought the relationship was going in one way and it
went another way but my head jumps to the idea that she's a public figure and how many people watch her on TV and is
there some guy out there that got fixated on her and do we have any claims of her saying hey there's a
weird guy following me around or do we have any evidence of a stalker well there was certainly talk of that and
they definitely looked at that but let's start at the center of Jill's life and kind of fan out from there okay so we do
know some of the men that Jill had a history with one was a man by the name of Simon basil he was a game warden from
South Africa she had approximately an 8mon relationship with him he is 6' 7 in tall so right away doesn't exactly fit
the description of the smartly dressed man as far as height goes remember that was 59 to approximately 6 foot yeah I
mean that's a tall glass of water that's a big difference in in size there so 6'7
Ines tall this Simon basil he had moved to the UK to be with Jill before the relationship fizzled out
and we do know based off of his job his occupation that he was very familiar with guns now we do also know that
police interviewed him extensively and decided that they didn't think it was that bitter of a breakup or
at least he wasn't bitter about the breakup and they had ruled him out and I'm sure I'm guessing here captain that
there were more reasons than just that to rule this man out yeah there's we don't know for certain but he could have
had a pretty solid Alibi again doesn't match the description he's from South Africa could have been in South Africa
at the time yeah yeah on that date we also have her fiance Alan Farthing who we talked about a little bit on episode
one The Two met on a blind date and announced their engagement at a very fancy party which was actually covered
by at least one magazine police checked his schedule remember she woke up at Allen's house
that morning police checked his schedule on the day of the murder and based on his whereabouts and schedule they ruled
Allen out as well mhm there was a Russian Crim Lord who was rumored to have had Jill killed after she spurned
him apparently these two had met while she was filming the an episode of holiday the TV show holiday they met in
Cyprus it's unclear how he was ruled out but if he's a Russian crime Lord I'm guessing he specifically was probably R
out because he likely wasn't even in the UK at the time of the murder somebody like that though a
character like that Captain I have a hard time ever 100% ruling them out because if he's the boss mhm he could
have sent somebody else to do his Dirty Work yeah that's probably more likely than maybe these other individuals
sending somebody but all these individuals that we've talked about so far they make money yeah so it's not out
of the realm of possibility that they hired somebody yep and I think that's something you're going to be faced with
here based off of the success of Jill D those are the circles that she's running
in we also have the boyfriend ex-boyfriend I should say Bob weaton he is 14 years her senior Bob had sort of
been Jill's Mentor when she started out in the business he said that she was a total
natural in front of the camera that's why the viewers were going to love her early in her career he believed that she
needed a makeover to be a TV personality she needed more sophisticated clothing and hair and she needed to drop a couple
of pounds so Bob helps her with all of this he's her Mentor at the time and then this starts and Sparks a
relationship between the two they eventually became a live-in couple they were together for a long time 7 years
before splitting up in 1996 but some people at their work said that Bob was controlling of Jill or at
least that was their opinion M and Allan her fiance told the police that something that seemed to interest the
police that Jill had given Bob 30,000 so money for those listening here that might be confused £30,000 that's a
lot of dough he told the investigator it was to help with a down payment on his house while the two were actually still
together that he didn't kill Jill over money we know that Bob was looked at extensively but ultimately ruled out in
the end so I'm guessing that they purchase a property together she gives some of the money for the down payment
at some point when they split up was there agreement that he's going to pay her back that's what I wanted to know
was this an outstanding loan was he in the process of paying her back what I do know about Bob weaton I don't know how
he spends his money or was spending his money at the time mhm but he was very successful too so if he's responsible
he's not hard up for cash this may just be a simple transaction of while we're living together it's going to be our
place we're both going to spend money it might to call it a loan might be a bit of an exaggeration yeah I think
that gets confusing too because it's like okay so he killed her so he wouldn't have to pay her back but we
have no indication that she was going to file a lawsuit or anything against him so there's no pending there's no like
repercussion if he doesn't pay it back right away doesn't seem like a solid motive well and the other thing too is
they had split a decent amount of time before Jill was killed yeah but some people
hold grudges for for life then there was Jill's agent this is John Roseman police
noted that Jill's phone reflected some calls between the two of them the morning that Jill was killed he told
police John Roseman told police that he had sent some work rated faxes to her home fax machine and she told him she
would grab them on her way to lunch that meant that John this puts him in a different category when we talk about
Suspects this is a clear indicator that he would know based off of what he told police
that Jill told him that Jill would be heading to her home on that morning police were interested in a book John
had written about an agent so he writes this book it's a it's a fictional book and in the book the agent who he's
writing about their their client is murdered in a shooting so this is going to sound oddly familiar to police when
they're reviewing this guy but John points out to them that look I'm her agent she's very successful she's got
two TV shows who she's the main star of these two shows she's the presenter in both of them he's pointing out to police
if I kill her or have somebody else do it for me I'm cutting off a major source of income for myself we do know that
ultimately he was ruled out so I'm guessing here I want to be clear to the listeners I'm guessing that maybe he was
able to provide an alibi as well so all of the men that we just discussed here Captain they were all eliminated as far
as what the public is concerned based off of the police their statements in their investigation this is by August of
1999 the same year that she was killed do we know if they're giving any of these individuals polygraph test I don't
know the specifics on each one of these persons there might not be you know law enforcement might not be forthcoming
with that information you had mentioned a stalker and I think that that is probably on everyone's brains that is
where certainly my thoughts went when first looking into this case so to talk about stalker or potential stalker this
is from the BBC quote the presenter meaning Jill told police earlier this year so
1999 at a reception to Mark the 10th anniversary of crime watch UK that she was concerned about her safety saying
that last year there were reports that Mrs D had been stalked by a fan who had subjected her to frightening phone calls
and letters now the documentary the Netflix documentary reports that Jill had dealt
with obsessive fans and quote pervert male in the past the letters were upsetting
of course but she Jill being the professional that she was she recognized that it kind of kind of went with the
territory unfortunately and we do know from reviewing other cases this seems to be a bit of a chronic problem faced by
female TV personalities and news personalities men who become obsessed with these ladies and some of them even
creating fantasy relationships with news anchors in their heads the UK tabloids loved this stalker SL deranged
fan Theory because it was Sensational and sexy and it sold newspapers police reportedly were
looking into between 40 and 50 that's 40 and 50 fans who obsessively sent Jill male but if Jill had a stalker one
wonders why the guy would shoot her I mean that brings up a whole other set of of
questions and thoughts when you are looking at this case right because remember jod hen tro the news anchor
from Iowa TV we believe she was abducted that everything app points to everything
points to her being abducted in her case and police and the rest of us seem to all think that it was
either in a obsessed lover or somebody that she knew within her Social Circle that wanted to have some kind of
relationship with her or it was a stalker or slash obsessed fan of jod who and truth
so you can look at this and say well would it be more likely that a stalker would abduct Jill dando rather than to
kill her on the stoop in front of her townhouse or do we have a situation where Jill announces remember it was very
public a magazine covered the engagement party the fancy party do we get this stalker who finally has pushed over the
edge finding out that the love of his life Jill dando was marrying another man right and
goes from stalker obsessive fan mode into a homicidal maniac driven by jealousy and rage and we've seen this
with when somebody has mental illness that they create these scenarios and they create these fictitious
relationships with people that they've never even met there's another suspect Theory let's call this one Mr James okay
okay so police go down this rabbit hole with what is sometimes referred to as the Mr James Fiasco this is all laid out
in the documentary but to put it in its simplest form on May 18th they did an appeal for tips on
crime watch remember she's killed in April so the following month they do an appeal for tips on crime watch and they
the show is now hosted by Jill's presenting partner and co-host his name is Nick they released the information
that they were looking for the blue Range Rover seen in the area the day of the murder this of course resulted in
zillions of tips but one caller Mr James named active criminals in a major drug trafficking operation he said that they
were responsible for what happened to Jill this seemed as plausible an explanation as any given that gun
violence was very unusual in the UK and when it did occur it was often in connection with drug gang violence
police went all in on this digging into the drug ring using undercover officers and so on but it turns out Captain this
was a bust Mr James was lying framing some drug dealers he was involved with to get them off of his back none of it
had anything to do with Jill and that's what their investigation determined and if you remember we we did talk about
eyewitness that claims he saw somebody staking out Jill's House yeah and it took several months but police
finally found this man the one that was supposedly staking out Jill's house that
it took till September of 99 he was a man that was a loitering on Jill's block simply because he was there
for his job he he's a gas man old gas B how do they know the thing here is this is when
police are kind of like throwing their hands up in the air and they're they're showing to the public their frustration
with the case and their frustration with the scale of the investigation we talked
about on episode one how large this and how quickly this investigation grew into
a worldwide investigation and police are telling the public now look we are being
hampered by people that are coming forward with to with information that's not important to the case but then the
other the flip of that is they are telling the public look we've thrown out a lot of information that we've
collected in our investigation the blue Range Rover the sweaty man the smartly Dressed Man the blue Range Rover almost
getting a parking ticket the witness saying that they saw somebody staking out Jill dando's house
and the other thing they're telling the public is when we tell you all of this information if you are that person that
we're describing that a witness is described please come forward so we can eliminate you and quit chasing these bad
leads right they had to track down this gas man who was there working on the street that day he didn't come to them
they found him right they were openly telling the public about frustration of of and using him as an example if this
individual would have just come forward early when we released the information we could have stopped working that lead
so as far as the person's taking out her home police are back at square one yeah
and again I think the other issue because she's such a public figure and you feel like she's a part of
your life how how that amps up public awareness but those are also individuals that feel connected to her and feel that
they need to try to help in any way possible and like you said I think that leads to too many leads and that leads
to too many um people coming forward with information that might not have anything to do with the case so you're
basically constantly chasing your own tail in 1999 forensic criminal psychologist Dr Adrien West consulted
with police on the Jill dando case they were told that they should be looking for an obsessive
loner well soon police would find one yeah and this loner's name is Barry George Barry George using the name Barry
Balera at the time a man named in a tip is Barry Baler this is a tip that's called into
police on the Jill dando tip line number and they get this tip early on in the invest tigation Captain it's April 27th
the day after her murder the tip referred to balsera as a quote mentally unstable man end quote who lived in
Crookham road so this is just about 500 yards from Jill's home according to the independent
UK there was a second tip that came in as well also naming balsera and then there was a third naming him
it took police ages to follow up on these tips because of the media blitz resulted in thousands of tips that had
to be cataloged assigned and pursued and any one of them could easily have sunk into the bottom of the pile it seems
like this ballera tip one two three of them fell to the bottom of the pile they would learn they being the
police that Balera was an alias you said it Captain has his real name was Barry George mhm and this dude had quite a
record 41-year-old George had an attempted rape conviction in March of 1983 from when he had attacked a female
student he had also been convicted for indecent assault on a female office worker he had been arrested for
impersonating a police officer shockingly in the early 1980s he had been arrested on the
grounds of Kensington Palace wearing combat gear and carrying a 12-in hunting knife and a rope he was obsessed with
Princess Diana and appeared as though he was there to abduct her so he's arrested
wearing combat gear carrying a 12-in hunting knife and rope and they believed that he was there to abduct Princess
Diana somehow he just receives a slap on the wrist from authorities for this and
it's thought that he was somewhat written off as just being a c George was an unemployed loner who
just wandered the streets and tried to talk to women further he had a history of being a pathological liar police
learned that he had told women that he was in the Royal Air Force he posed as a stunt man named Steve
major and filmed an attempt at roller skate jumping four buses so he's telling people he's a
stunt man named Steve major and he films this whole setup of him going to jump over four buses wearing roller skates
and I'm guessing they got on to this guy because we we now the public now knows the area in which this happened and then
you go okay I'm familiar with this area and on by the way if you're familiar with this area you're also familiar with
this we yes but as said it's even a little more far strange than that so I I have to wonder here
Captain with this uh attempt of jumping four buses that he filmed was this the first use of the phrase epic fail
because he does not clear the buses and he broke multiple bones uh in his body so again at the time that police start
looking at him for Jill D's case he's using the name Barry Balera which is implying that he's the
cousin of Queen's Freddy Mercury birth name last name Balera wow he also went by the name Paul Gad which is the real
name of pedophile singer Gary Glitter George was what was termed as a fantasist by psychologist this is
someone who lives in active fantasy life and may or may not act on those fantasies it seemed like George was in
the former category he was living and acting on these fantasies and police what they want to do of course they want
to try to climb into this weirdo's head and see if his fantasies involved Jill dando yeah you don't want to jump In Too
Deep no but at the same time he could be a harmless weirdo that's like Grand Canyon deep yeah so
police Tracked Down Barry George at an unemployment office he denied knowing who Jill D was which seems a little
strange giving her popularity and notoriety as a news presenter and since he didn't know who
she was of course he's denying having anything to do with anything at all especially her murder police didn't
let George go they began three weeks of of surveillance of his activities they're going to monitor this
dude for 3 weeks of surveillance while they pulled together a search warrant for his home his home that was right
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and there's no way around his nick name was uh Barry Barry Dingle there's no way around this this dude
was to say hoarder I think would be an understatement okay so his house was a mess with trash everywhere I mean
everywhere so they showed some photos on the documentary of his house and it almost
made it almost made me sick I I had to get up from the couch and and go straight look at something else for a
few minutes I had to go s through my closets there wasn't just trash everywhere dude there was piles of
feces and there are bugs alive and dead everywhere the guy was beyond disgusting
cozy so this is one except this is just one example of why it is better to be a fake detective like us garage guys
rather than a real one because if I were sent to the scene Captain I think I would have just turned in my badge that
day these detectives had to walk inside of the place walk around this place and basically hand sift through debris to
look for possible Clues now they did find some things of interest on the search they found a dark men's
Overcoat similar to the one that the witness described M they found a gun holster problem is they didn't find any
gun we have Barry George who would claim that he didn't own a gun just the holster they found four copies
of Jill D's Memorial issue of the BBC's in-house magazine this with Jill on the cover okay remember when they first
talked to this guy he claims he did not know who Jill was this is clearly a lie he owns four
copies of a magazine that she is on the cover of yeah but he's a hoarder I look I'm not saying he's not lying but also
we see this in many cases where people get obsessed with somebody after they're murdered they found lots of undeveloped
film uhhuh when police went and developed the photos they found 2,248 candid photographs he had taken of
random women on the street one of these women they confirmed lived next door to bill
dando they also found a photo of a man in a gas mask the man in the picture wearing the gas mask is holding a
handgun that a gun expert identified as an 8 mm bruny compatible with the casing
that was found at the murder scene do we believe that that individual is Barry I
would say I would swear on a stack of Bibles well he has one in the corner over thereover in feces covered in feces
Barry George says that it was not him in this photo yeah I don't believe anything
this guy says so he's arrested on May 25th 2000 by inspector Campbell's team so this is just a little more than a
year after the murder we finally get this this arrest news of the arrest swept the nation people have been
waiting for this for over a year police made a bit of a spectacle of bringing George in because they really believe
that Barry George had in fact killed Jill he checked all the boxes weirdo loner obsessive like guns creepy with
women and a history of violence and criminal activity he was interrogated at the police station George denied having
any involvement at all he claimed not to have any idea who Jill was again I believe that the magazines in his
apartment tell a different story he denied that it was him in the gas mask holding the gun in the
photograph he did say at some point when talking with police that he had a replica
gun I don't know exactly what he means by this replica gun toy gun fake gun uh but the police would say that
they thought he was acting Shifty and weird during the course of the interview I've seen footage of this guy and I'm
not trying to run to his defense but he stri me as an individual that would act Shifty and weird in any
conversation I agree or sit down conversation I mean so that might not be indicative of anything right with
hoarding tendencies a lot of that has to do with you know mental health issues or and
anxiety so if somebody is very closed off to the world and closed off to society the more people that
they're around the more shift they almost act well and remember that Overcoat that they found in his
apartment that was similar in description to the one as stated by the eyewitnesses of the person leaving the
scene of the murder they're going to run some test on this coat the lab results come in and a test of the
Overcoat they found that there was gun shot residue or gunpowder residue in the pocket of this
coat okay and this is coming from a man who says I I don't own a gun I don't have a
gun I've had a replica gun we talk about this a lot in cases timelines become so
important because when you have a suspect now you have to try to place them at the scene and place them at the
time of the crime so law enforcement is going to dig into Barry's timeline of the day of the murders yeah and what
they figure out here captain that on the day of the murder he had kind of shuffled around the
neighborhood and according to the independent UK that after the time of the shooting Barry George was seen he
had ran home and changed his shirt and then he first went to the hamers Smith and fham
action for disability Center at grisell Street mhm this is like 5 minutes a 5 minute walk from the murder scene he's
arriving at this location around noon there he argues with the staff who had known him from previous visits he's
there for approximately 15 minutes he then makes his way to the traffic cars taxi offices on fham Palace road again
just another short walk away arriving just before p.m. he managed to get a free ride to the colon
cancer concern on Ricket Street after his arrest as many as 400 women came forward saying Barry George
had followed them on the street even accosting some of them and speaking to them with foul language his former wife
reported that she had suffered domestic violence at his hands and this from the Independent UK quote he also had some
experience with Firearms he spent nearly a year in the territorial Army before being discharged in November of 1982
being taught how to maintain and shoot assault rifles and machine guns end quote he's arrested and he's held over
for trial on the murder charge his trial began in July of 2001 evidence presented by the
prosecution included a a witness named Susan Mays who testified that she was quote very sure that she had seen George
on Jill's Street at 7:30 on the morning of the shooting and she said that the man she saw was hiding his face there
was another witness who said that they saw a man of his description running away from the scene and that individual
testified that it could have been Barry George at trials especially homicide trials you do not want to hear words
like could have when you have people on the stand there were persons who testified that George
appeared to have tried to solidify a alibi two days after the murder he returned to the same office remember we
said he went to the the office and he's openly arguing with the people the workers there the staff and it was
thought by these persons who were testifying that he was trying to be seen and heard make note that I am here at
this time so close to the shooting evidence was presented about the particle so this is one particle of
gunshot residue this is The Gunshot residue that indicated that George was in the
presence of a gun when it was fired and that the gun was possibly put in his pocket afterwards that's the coat that
matched the description of the ones seen by the witness to be fair to Barry George that style of coat is an
incredibly common coat style worn by yeah maybe a million British men we also had the numerous women who came forward
testifying about him harassing them on the street saying that George called them
vulgar names grabbed my arm and so on it's very difficult because you go is this guy just mentally ill and so
obviously he would be acting suspicious or is this guy a murderer it is very difficult the the main defense that they
put forward for Barry George was in the papers and everywhere else for the most part especially when they were calling
an assassination or Hitman when you see words like that being thrown around often times this
case was described in the papers as the perfect crime and one that would require
meticulous planning right the defense was that my client is not capable of carrying out the Perfect Crime my client
is not capable of meticulous planning take a look at his apartment take a look at his actions and you will quickly
agree with that statement and I do agree with that statement for the most part what we do know is that the jury comes
back we get a 10 to one vote to convict so Barry George was sentenced to life in
prison this one's a tough one because I think a lot of the evidence that they presented you
could brush away pretty quickly well he has these four magazines and she's on the cover well how many
items does he have more than one item that he shouldn't have you know what I mean like we jokingly said he probably
has a stack of Bibles somewhere so and he just happens to live in the area and he is known to follow
women but it's we have no eyewitnesses placing them at the scene we have no murder weapon we do
have someone who says they believe they saw George there but remember this person does not know Barry George prior
to the day of the murder right right just simply saying oh that guy that's sitting in the courtroom I saw somebody
that looked a lot like him and again the words were could have been bar George hiding his face so this while he to me
looks like a great suspect on the surface right once we're viewing the evidence that's presented at trial I
kind of sit back and go this is a little more of a head scratcher than a 10 to one conviction vote sometimes when
there's such a heinous crime the public just wants somebody to pay for it it's we need an answer here but again I don't
know if this is enough evidence to convict him and I agree with you definitely not enough evidence to be 10
to one and i' would also think with the fragile mental state that he's in couldn't we get some kind of confession
here well and you're exactly right there Captain people watch these shows they fall Jill dando was easy to fall in love
with easy to go to turn on your TV and go look at that person she's like me she's my friend I watch her every day
and so in a weird way a lot of people I'm sure probably felt as though they had lost somebody very close to them and
it wasn't due to some illness or growing old it was to being murdered on the street like a
dog and you're right it's human nature to want that pound of Flesh and so I think that maybe that
steer this conviction a little bit what we do get is upon appeal they're going to
start to challenge this GSR the the physical evidence found in the pocket of that Overcoat that was
suggestive that he had been in the presence of a gun that was recently fired and then put into the pocket of
his Overcoat they reach out to the FBI the FBI comes back saying look we don't know exactly how reliable that evidence
is in fact we would suggest that it's not extremely reliable and I think that that was what
tipped the scales to convict this guy so his attorneys are going to use this as grounds to
appeal and to suggest that this was a miscarriage of justice so they go to in front of the judge they argue that one
part article of gunshot residue in the pocket of the coat found in George's house was ins insufficient evidence of
his involvement the police had never specifically tied it to the shooting or the actual murder weapon remember the
murder weapon was never found that's going to complicate everything as well the coat was examined a year after the
murder so you can't say 100% with 100% certainty that the GSR did not get to where it was found in the year that had
gone by after the murder you just can't you don't know what gun it came from or when it was placed in that pocket so
where do we go from here well based off of that they're going to be telling the judge look this this evidence carries
zero or neutral evidential weight and the jury should have been instructed as such or the judge should
have tossed out this evidence it's kind of like saying again a large part of that I believe the
problem being that the murder weapon was never recovered right this is going to lead to a second trial for Barry George
which would start in June of 2008 so remember by this point he's been in prison for approximately 7 years at
trial number two the prosecution is not allowed to even mention the GSR evidence which was a very important part
of their case what plays out at the second trial Captain is basically they are presenting the same evidence minus
that GSR evidence and now after time has gone by we only have one person on the stand who is saying I'm 100% sure that
I've seen Barry George on Goen avenue right and that person is saying I'm 100% sure that I saw Barry George on Goen
avenue on the day of the murder but it was 4 hours before the shooting so the case kind of fell apart
very quickly for the prosecution and then they start to call into play things like Barry George's IQ
and other things that they would suggest that he is incapable of carrying out or
masterminding this crime that took over a year with this large scale investigation lots of boots on the
ground to lead to an arrest so the jury acquitted George he's a free man after spending seven years in
prison wow his petition to receive compensation for his time in prison was denied given the UK laws provide that
only when new evidence emerges proving a wrongful conviction so he's acquitted but it's not like they're
saying oh he's acquitted and he's absolutely innocent they're saying he's acquitted because the evidence there's
not enough evidence to prove that he is guilty yeah if they found DNA evidence on her and they were able to test that
and prove it wasn't him then he could get a Payday yeah nonetheless the Jill dando case was
reopened shortly afterwards police were almost a decade behind in the investigation by this point the
reward was 250,000 the largest on record in the UK uh but sadly the reward money is
going to go unclaimed because it seems like whoever killed jel dando either they acted alone
and if they did they haven't told anybody and no one's the wiser but also just because Barry was acquitted doesn't
mean he's actually innocent exactly so the theories that we are left with here Captain
the Serbian warlord Theory this was raised by Barry George's attorney at his trial this is a little bit complicated
and I'm not going to drag everybody through all of the ins and outs of this but to simplify it at the time that Jill
was killed there was a war going on between Kosovo and Serbia NATO was involved bombing Serb targets as the
serbs were the aggressors in the situation this is from the Independent UK on April 6th 1999 20 days before Jill
was killed she had fronted a BBC Kosovo crisis appeal that raised more than 1 million pound in 24 hours for those
fleeing the latest round of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans okay so what could this world event mean for our case
here Captain well three days before Jill was killed British and US war planes bombed the radio television Serbia
building in belgrad killing 16 of the news organization's employees then the day after Jill's murder the
BBC's news head Tony Hall received a call at his office a man with an Eastern European accent said your prime minister
Blair butchered inocent young people we butcher back this Anonymous call would likely have been unremarkable had Jill D
not just been shot and killed days before so people were desperately trying to find meaning in her death and also
like you said assign blame for it find someone to blame that pound of Flesh so it made sense that the serbs
were angry about their journalists being killed so as the theory goes they killed
one of UK's most famous presenters yeah reportedly serbs in the UK were angry at Jill for
participating in that appeal her agent John Roseman said he received a letter to Jill that was vaguely threatening
about the Kosovo appeal she had done an investigator supposedly received a message that said dando was murdered by
a Serb Hitman in Revenge for the attack that NATO mounted George's defense attorney took
all of this and ran with it he named the Serbian warlord Arin as possibly ordering the hit on
Jill he claimed that the crimping done on the shell casing was also typically done in the Balkans and that other
journalists had been murdered in belgrad a couple of weeks earlier the prosecution dismissed the Serbian
warlord defense as unfounded the lead inspector Campbell stated that they had looked into it and
there was no evidence for any of it and said the call his agency received was a hoax the other part of this too was that
there was a BBC veteran foreign correspondent his name is John Simpson who was in belgrad in 1999 and in fact
had met Aran on the day M dando had been killed so some people had wondered if they
wanted to retaliate if they wanted to get revenge for their journalist being killed they
could have just killed this guy that had a meeting with the guy that they're saying masterminded paid for ordered the
hit on Jill and another theory which I think is a possible theory is that she was a host of a crime show and you know
what Captain there are a lot of people that will share your opinion because this seems to
be a very popular theory that she was either killed because of her role as a host of crime watch or there was a hit
taken out on her by somebody that wanted to silence her for hosting crime watch and of course this show is a show
that focuses in on ruthless criminals involved in the Underworld and that somebody in that
underworld wanted to take Jill out because of her work exposing the criminal element in Britain right or
possibly even as a warning to the authorities to not mess with certain persons in organized crime or organized
crime self the thing here is this Theory resulted in all of the past episodes of
the show being reviewed by law enforcement to see if they could find someone that would have a motive based
off of these shows and of course the show crime watch covered the mafia terrorist bombings and so on but it
seems seemed very unlikely that perpetrators of large scale crimes like featured on crime watch would take
the time to take out a newswoman who's just doing her job we need to keep in mind too what her role was Jill wasn't
an investigative journalist that's reaching out to confidential sources and turning up leads and she's not breaking
stories right she's not providing the break in a case to law enforcement she's simply reading off of a
teleprompter telling the story and I know that that's not always clear to everyone who may see the show but what
we end up with is law enforcement taking a hard look at this Theory and they walk
away from it kind of saying we don't really see anything here we're not saying that it's not a possibility we're
just saying that there's nothing that jumped off the page to us this Theory has never really provided any solid
leads for the investigation and like you said her being the host of crime watches is a
popular Theory but I think the most popular theory is that it was some kind of that she was killed by a obsessed fan
and we just might not know who that fan was yeah and we've talked about this one
at length already and I do want to remind everybody too that Barry George himself who was once convicted of her
murder and then later acquitted I would put him in this category right he would fall in this
bucket for me there's a few far out theories one that involves the IRA killed Jill that she was part of an
organized Ira hit but that organization typically publicly takes credit for their actions and they've never
officially claimed that they were responsible for Jill's murder we also looked at this other
Theory which seems to have come from comments of a former colleague that Jill was about to expose
a pedophile sex ring and or pattern of ademic sexual abuse and harassment happening at the BBC again this Theory
sounds interesting but the chances that Jill a journalist whose skills involve documenting facts
and documenting her findings when police looked into this she had they found nothing in her
possession of her personal items or her professional items that she had documented uncovering any kind of sex
ring or pedophile ring so if she was on the brink of exposing something a major crime
story where was the information well and also when law enforcement was looking into individuals close in her
life like her fiance why wanted the fiance say hey well you know she was working on this
this big story and this was going to change everything thank you thank you you are exactly right that she she told
no one they could find no one in her Circle that she had said that she was working on any of this I mean other than
this former colleague and and they weren't able to provide very good information so I think like some of this
it feels like they're really grasping but police unfortunately in a case like this and so many others they
are forced to chase down every potential lead they are forced to pursue these all roads here and it looks
to me from the outside looking in that they did their best job that they could pursuing all these roads so here's where
I'm sitting now captain in the garage which actually directly across from you in a garage smell nice today by the way
it's I think it's that new soap that you purchased the thing here is though my head is swimming a bit with this story
and with this case because a large part of me wants to go well maybe it was just Barry all along
and they just weren't able to get enough evidence against him having never met the man and not being a
psychologist or anyone with a great understanding of that science I can't say with any level of
certainty look his psychosis could be could explain away a lot of this right that a lot of his behavior and maybe
even some of the evidence that was presented against him at the trial that got a conviction
I understand questioning the reliability of the GSR but I have a problem with a guy that
I can put near the murder scene 4 hours beforehand who lives 500 yards away has a lengthy history of harassing women on
the streets taking pictures of women on the streets taking a picture of a woman who lives next door to Jill dando
finding four magazines in in his apartment with her on the cover and he says he doesn't even know who she is
finding a picture of him in a gas mask with a gun in his hand and a gun holster in his apartment and he tells me he's
never owned a gun only a replica gun which it could be a replica gun in that picture and he's just lying about being
in the picture why is maybe his psychosis that's why he's lying about being in the picture or maybe he killed
a woman and he doesn't want to admit that he's the man wearing the gas mask holding a gun in a
picture the end of the day yes that GSR evidence may be unreliable but what it is
reliable what is reliable about that evidence is at some point that Overcoat that I found in your apartment it had a
gun in it that was recently fired that that is fact man I don't know when that GSR entered the pocket of that Overcoat
that I found in your apartment but it did and it came from a gun that was fired and we talked about and a gun that
we can't find a gun that we can't find and we talked about how uncommon how uncommon gun crimes gun violence is
at this year 1999 in this location so much so that it went out over the Police radios that they were responding to a
stabbing so I think that Barry George finds himself in a very small suspect pool in my opinion when they were
looking at thousands and thousands of people because the investigation in the public reaching out supplying tips and
leads to the police had made it that they had to look at thousands and thousands of
people when really you're looking for a small group of people here so I sit here
and I'm not saying I I I don't feel extremely confident saying that it was Barry George all along
but I find him to be very strange I find his behavior his History of Violence to be something that I can't
look past the GSR I can't look past and even though there's not strong evidence there is evidence where a lot of these
other theories are just that they're theories with not much weight to them he was pretending to be somebody that he
was not having an alias that was implying that he's the cousin of Freddy Mercury
telling people that using the same name is Gary Glitter Gary glitter's real name
as an alias for a long time telling people that he was a stunt man so he doesn't just develop these fantasies
he's attempting to live them who knows what kind of fantasies he had about Jill dando maybe he hated her and despised
her because she was the real life thing that he never was and he saw her from time to time on the streets and the
hatred grew and grew and grew and guess what I'm always pretending to be somebody famous or On The Fringe of
being famous right and if I can't be somebody famous how about I kill somebody famous the only thing about
that though is you would think he would take credit for it at some point especially once they honed in on him I
agree the and who knows how far he would have really went with this air quotes attempt to abduct princess die but it's
also look it's it's very possible because of his mental state that he doesn't know for certain if he
did it or not yeah and I I'm with you it's it's well I look at him and my first thought is well maybe the answer
is just right there and it's been there all along and it was Barry George all along there were some haunting words
that were said about this investigation coming from the Chief Inspector detective
Hamish who we've talked so much about in these episodes and he says that the biggest question
perplexing investigators grieving relatives and viewers of Jill dando's TV shows who shot Jill D and why
obviously but it's been pointed out that it seems to find the killer that there's gaps in
the day that she was killed in that timeline that still need to be filled in and and inspector Hamish says quote the
reality is many a stranger homicide inquiry the answer lies within the first tranch of information though I feared
that there was something and we had missed it that somewhere in the beginning there
was a message or information which had been overlooked to me that's haunting to hear the detective stating that he he's
concerned all these years later that there was something in the beginning that before this thing got blown up and
blown out way out of proportion that there was something early on that would have told them who the killer was and
that they may have missed it it may have been overlooked the lead detective later
States three questions he could not wrap his head around from the moments after Jill's murder he says quote who was the
man who had been seen running away who was driving the blue Range Rover and who was the the sweating man I say this and
this is something that you've brought up you bring it up more than I do but I think it's something that it's cuz I'm
I'm super smart could play a huge factor in this case and it's something that doesn't seem to it's not discussed
anywhere you want to talk about something possibly being overlooked where did Jill's money go she was
successful she didn't have any kids she didn't have a spouse right you say follow the money I'm with you I on this
one I say follow the money on this one also another thing here is if Jill's fiance Allen is as successful as Jill
how does his situation change once he's married and who does that situation change for Beyond Allan Right
is is Jill killed because she's in proximity with somebody else with Allan the other thing too Captain I sit here
and I wonder in her professional life in her profession world who stood to get ahead to Leap
Frog if Jill dando was no longer around well she's in a very highly competitive field I I don't even think that matters
you don't have to follow the money on that one it's just simply there's people out there that are jealous hopefully one
day we will know the answer to the question who killed jando [Music] want to thank everybody for joining us
here in the garage each and every week and sharing the cases on social media and telling your mama and papa do we
have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners it feels so good to be in the garage captain and of course
this week we are going to recommend who killed Jill dando the documentary on Netflix revisit the shocking 1999 murder
of beloved TV presenter Jill D which continues to mystify experts and the public this is a great watch and I like
the way that they broke it up into three episodes each under an hour so check out
who killed Jill dando on Netflix you can find that recommendation and many more on our website true Crim garage.com and
until next week be be good be kind and don't litter [Music]

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This week we are sharing a case that rocked Britain. It was a daytime murder of a major U.K. celebrity. On April 26th, 1999 someone shot and killed TV presenter Jill Dando on the stoop of her home in London. Jill was beloved by millions. Her girl next door looks, Princess Di hair cut, and her charm took her to the heights of British broadcasting. So who would want to harm the woman that so many adored? That is the mystery that has riddled the Kensington police for over two decades now. The Netflix doc-series “Who Killed Jill Dando?” came out in 2023 and has brought worldwide attention to this still unsolved murder case.

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Brief Summary

The episode covers the murder of Jill Dando, suspects including Barry George, and unresolved theories surrounding her death.

Key points

The Beer Review. Nick shares his thoughts on a micro IPA, giving it a garage grade of four out of five bottle caps.
Suspects in Jill's Case. The investigation leads to several suspects, including Jill's ex-boyfriends and a Russian crime lord.
Jill's Safety Concerns. Jill expressed fears about being stalked by obsessive fans, raising questions about her murder.
Barry George's Disturbing Home. Police discover a filthy home filled with trash and feces, revealing George's hoarding tendencies.
The Arrest of Barry George. After a year-long investigation, Barry George is arrested, believed to be Jill Dando's murderer.
Trial and Conviction. Barry George is convicted of murder, but doubts linger about the evidence presented against him.

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Episode quotes

If he's the boss, he could have sent somebody else to do his dirty work.

Discussion about the Russian crime lord.

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