What Really Happened to Spencer Irwin in Fresno? | Forensic Files

Hi Crime Junkies, I'm your host Ashley Flowers. >> And I'm Britt. >> Today's story about Spencer Irwin is one
that I know you've never heard before because it's never been reported on before. And that's probably because if
you were to ask Fresno police, there's no story to tell. Or at least they would have said that for a while.
Spencer was a 30-year-old man they found naked covered in dirt at the bottom of a
loading dock back in [music] 2024. They initially assumed he was homeless, assumed he died of a drug overdose,
assumed there was nothing they deemed worthy of investigating. So they didn't. But boy, were they wrong. [music]
Because Spencer Irwin was none of the things they assumed. And he has a mother in his corner who has been doing all the
investigating they weren't. And now she's got us in her corner. >> [music] >> And you won't believe what together we
found. This is Spencer [music] Irwin's story. From the moment Kelly Irwin first got a
call from the Fresno County Deputy Coroner telling her that her son was dead, things felt disorienting. It was
just before 11:00 a.m. on Friday, August 2nd, 2024 when she was told that her 30-year-old son Spencer had been found
the day before naked near some dumpsters. And they couldn't say for certain yet, but based on the fact that
there were no external signs of trauma, they were pretty sure that he died from an overdose. Kelly never knew her son to
use drugs and she had no idea why he would be naked or why he was found where he was. Honestly, part of her was sure
that this was some kind of huge misunderstanding. Like it had to be someone else and everyone was just
confused. It had to be. Kelly wanted to go down to the Fresno County Sheriff Coroner's office to see him for herself.
But they tell her that she can't. They are sure it is Spencer and she's going to have to wait
agonizing days while they get him cleaned up and transferred to the funeral home before she can see him. But
five agonizing days later, that doesn't even happen. Now, Kelly knows the guy who works at the funeral home and he
stops her. He's like, "Listen, Kelly, I'm not going to let you see him." Because Spencer was in such an advanced
state of decomposition that they wanted to spare her from that being the last mental image of her son. So, instead,
she asked to see at least a picture of a tattoo that Spencer had. When they gave her that, she finally
believed them. It really was her firstborn that they found. But she still can't understand how.
According to the medical examiner, they were still waiting on the toxicology results to come back, which they were
pretty confident were going to confirm what they'd been thinking all along, that Spencer just died from an overdose.
Like I said, Kelly had never known her son to do drugs. And I don't mean that in like a naive parent way where you
think your kids is like some kind of saint and you're like oblivious to what is like actually going on in their life.
Kelly is the first person to tell you that Spencer struggled with alcohol use and was currently in a period of
recurrence. He was really open with her about his struggles. But he wasn't the party with drugs type of guy. She said
that he would drink alcohol, beer or vodka, but typically at home in sort of like a self-medicating type of way, by
himself. Now, the thing you got to know about Kelly is all she's after is the truth. So, even though drugs didn't make
any sense to her, she wasn't even ruling that out. She was just asking herself, "Why now? Who would Spencer have gotten
them from?" Like, "Is it possible that someone else drugged him? Was there something that they were all just
missing here?" >> And did the autopsy show anything at all? >> Well, no, because there was no autopsy
done. >> I'm sorry. What? I mean, how are we even talking about tox screens, but there's no
autopsy? >> The ME's office told Kelly that Spencer was released without one because they
didn't think he needed one. >> How do you even know that at this point? >> Because they just said they took some
blood samples to do a tox screen. >> Like a tox screen to confirm the conclusion they already made even though
you can't actually make that conclusion without the results. >> Exactly. >> Okay.
>> And listen, Kelly didn't just sit back and take this answer. She knew that they
should be doing one. She was pushing them over and over to do one. Except the more that she pushed, the more she said
that the coroner's office refused. And the deputy coroner tells her like "Listen, we've seen this before. Based
on how we found him, we are confident he took some kind of illegal drug, something that made him so hot he
stripped down naked before he died." And they point out that there were no footprints in the dirt around him. They
only saw what they call a "snow angel" pattern around his head and arms that they suspect he made while overdosing.
They tell her that there are several other people who have died in this same manner. And Kelly's asking all the right
questions. Like, "Okay, I hear you. If he took something and removed his clothes,
then where are they? Did they get collected? Do you have pictures from the scene to confirm if his clothes are
around him? No one's turned clothes back over to me, so like where are his things?
But Fresno PD are like, "You know, I don't know. Didn't collect anything." >> Because there was nothing to collect or
because you just didn't collect things that were there. Like those are two pretty different things.
>> That is what I'll be attempting to answer throughout this episode. I believe some of his things may have been
around there. And it's a real shame that they didn't try to collect more. Because
near the end of September, Spencer's toxicology results do come back. And they do not make this the open and shut
case that Fresno PD thought it was. Based on the coroner's report that Kelly got and shared with us, Spencer did have
alcohol in his system, but only at the level of .03 and only two drugs showed up, a
barbiturate and gabapentin, but neither of them were at toxic or lethal levels. >> So then, what killed him?
>> We won't ever know because by the time these results came back, Spencer had already been cremated. Authorities
wouldn't do the autopsy, so when Spencer's body got released, Kelly, Spencer's dad Dave, and Spencer's
girlfriend Kate got together and decided that Spencer would have wanted to be cremated. And then after they did that,
they had a service to honor his life. And get this, Kelly didn't know that private autopsies could be requested.
So, she just took the coroner's office at their word. >> Right. Because like, they're the
authorities. It's their job to handle these situations properly. Like if they say like, "Nothing to see here." you
want to be able to believe them. >> Exactly. Why would a family be read up on like this option of a private autopsy
without reason? And it was heartbreaking for us to be the ones to tell her that that was an option. There's even a
really easy phone number to remember that Kelly hopes people listening to this will pay attention to in case
they're ever in this unimaginable scenario. Super easy. 1-800-AUTOSPY. >> Yeah, I remember we learned about this
in the Amanda Wenkoski case, right? >> So, you guys, commit this to memory. 1-800-AUTOSPY.
Maybe a private autopsy would have given Kelly the answers that she was looking for. Because she is stunned to see in
the report that not only did her son not overdose, the coroner's report ultimately rules her son's manner of
death as natural and his cause of death as probable sudden cardiac death from chronic alcohol and tobacco use.
>> Okay. I'm going to need you to like walk me through this. If he just had some random cardiac
event, why is he one naked, and two at a loading dock where he, unless you know differently and haven't
told me yet, had no business being. Like this is like a pretty random place for him to be.
>> That part has zero explanation. [music] The report just focuses on his past medical history of alcohol abuse, his
high blood pressure, elevated heart rate, among other conditions. Yet when Kelly actually sat down with the
coroner's office to go over all of the results, she says that they admit to her that since they couldn't find a clear
cause of death, their only option was to call the manner natural causes. >> Okay, I'm not a coroner, but I'm pretty
sure that wasn't their only option. >> You could be a coroner, though. Remember, in many places you don't need
to have a medical training to be a coroner. >> Which is still wild to me. >> The sheriff coroner on these reports,
John Zanoni, doesn't have medical training. He's got a BS degree in criminal justice with a minor in
agriculture business. >> I feel like with my history I could also be a coroner [laughter]
with with those like credentials. >> been a career law enforcement guy who was voted into the position.
>> I mean, great reminder to pay attention to local elections. >> You need to be voting for the person who
you would want in charge of solving your homicide, not the person with your preferred color tie. And I keep saying
I'm done with right and left. It is about right and wrong here. But here we are. Kelly has the coroner's office
telling her that this is the best they can do with what they have because they don't have an autopsy.
But this version of best is just not good enough. So Kelly goes to meet with the Fresno PD detectives and begs them
to do a real investigation. She's like, "Listen, I just need answers and everything you've been telling me about
my son is wrong." Like listen, she was patient. She tried trusting everyone, gave them time to do all their tests,
but now something different needs to happen before more critical evidence is lost out on. And in response to this
impassioned plea, she says that one of the detectives on the case is like listen,
your son died from natural causes. There's no evidence of a homicide here. Case closed.
Your son struggled with alcohol use. At least now you don't have to worry about him relapsing.
>> Okay, Ashley. [laughter] I've been in recovery for 4 years, and I hope to God that you would prefer me
here and like doing well, but maybe struggling here and there than I don't know, dead?
>> If someone dared say that to my face, so help me God. And we reached out to the
Fresno PD for comment, not just about this specific interaction, but any comment about this case as a whole, and
they declined. But Kelly is a better woman than me because she told us that even though it was jarring for her to
hear that, and obviously it stuck with her, she didn't have any ill will against that detective. She's had a lot
of people say strange things to her after her son passed, so she could look past that. What she couldn't look past
was the case closed, no evidence of a homicide stuff. >> Yeah, we don't have evidence because
we didn't do anything to collect evidence. Like that's that's the issue there, right?
>> but if they want evidence, fine. Kelly's going to give them evidence. Cuz little
did they know, just days after Kelly learned that Spencer had died, she started doing her own investigation. And
there is nothing like the power of a mother on a mission. >> Quiet coastal towns may seem peaceful,
but they can harbor dark secrets. I'm Kylie Low, host of Dark Down East, a podcast that tells true crime stories
from my own New England community to help victims and families get justice. Listen to Dark Down East wherever you
get your podcasts. >> [music] >> Thankfully, Kelly Irwin is a Crime Junkie. So, when she found herself in
the impossible situation of having to investigate her own son's death on her own, she knew all the right
documentation to collect and what leads to follow. And by doing that, she was able to lay
out for us a clear timeline of Spencer's last movements, going all the way back to the month before his death in June
2024. That was the month that Kelly first noticed Spencer had started drinking again.
She kept an eye on him and he was still going to school at Fresno City College, maintaining his grades, but she could
just tell. And those fears were confirmed in the beginning of July when she found out that Spencer had to go to
the hospital and get stitches after he drank too much, fell, and got a pretty big cut on his [music] forehead. After
this, he was open with his mom about wanting to get help and he planned on checking into a local rehab, but he had
to wait for a spot to open up and that wouldn't have been until the end of July. Now, anytime Spencer started
drinking again, it made Kelly nervous. She she's a mom, right? Like she worried about him. But they'd made it through
this before and Spencer had been pretty good about communicating with her when he was trying to get back on track. Now,
in the time before he was set to check into rehab, Spencer tried detoxing. He told his girlfriend Kate that starting
on July 10th, he was going to go to a detox program for like a week so he'd be off the grid. But I know his sobriety
didn't last because Spencer went to the hospital on July 24th with abdominal pain, nausea, and a headache. The same
symptoms that he had come to the hospital with before when he was in withdraw. Now, the report says that
Spencer told them he last drank alcohol 2 days before that, but he was trying to
detox again so that he could start a rehab program on July 29th. Now, he was discharged from the hospital that same
day and in communication with Kelly in the days that follow. Like there were things that he needed to get in order
before checking into rehab. Number one on his list was getting his phone fixed. Like
it had been randomly like turning off and he needed it because he was going to still be able to keep doing his classes
at Fresno City College while he was checked into rehab like through his phone and online. On Saturday, this
would have been July 27th, Kelly knows that Spencer walked to a Verizon store. This would have been like a 4-mile walk,
but unfortunately, it was closed when he got there. So, he had to walk back to his apartment. The next day, Sunday,
Spencer called Kelly and asked for a ride to that same Verizon store, but she told him that he need to wait a little
bit before she could give him a ride. And he's like, "Listen, no problem. I'm just going to head out before it gets
too hot. I'll walk again." >> Wait, whose phone did he call from if his phone wasn't working?
>> I think he used a buddy's phone, this guy named Angel who he had met in that like July 10th detox place. And Angel, I
guess was actually going to be checking into rehab with Spencer on the 29th. >> Okay.
>> And just to make it clear like his phone it obviously wasn't working this time
cuz I know he called from Angel's phone, but it wasn't like totally broken from what I could tell. It just kept turning
on and off or whatever. >> Yeah. So, shortly after 8:00 a.m., Spencer walks out of his apartment
carrying a black backpack. He's got a black hat on. He's wearing jeans, a white shirt with black shoes. And Kelly
confirmed these details with Spencer's landlord, and she also got a still image of him leaving. So, we have like visual
proof of what he looked like when he left. Now, the exact route that he took is unknown. Now, Kelly asked detectives
to look at traffic cameras in the area along the route that she was pretty sure Spencer would have taken, but that
request was ignored. So, there's no concrete evidence to prove his path. The best Kelly can do is map out the most
likely route, which would have taken Spencer along this busy street through a mostly residential area. But somewhere
along the way, Spencer's path had to have diverged because when Kelly tracks down the Verizon employee that was
working on Sunday, they told her they never saw anyone matching Spencer's description that day. Plus, Spencer's on
Kelly's account, so she would have had to authorize any kind of like transactions that he would have made.
>> And there's no footage of Spencer coming back to the apartment. >> No, he just vanishes somewhere after
leaving the apartment around 8:00 a.m. >> And then his body is found when exactly?
>> His body is found Thursday, August 1st. But the thing is like no one can tell
her when his body actually had ended up there. Because on the corner's report, Spencer's day and time of death is
listed as the day and time that they found [music] him and responded to the scene. And we know that he was already
showing signs of decomp by then. >> Right. >> So like had he been there the whole
time? Less time? Is there like time missing? We don't know. >> wouldn't he have been found if he was
there the whole time? >> Not necessarily. So when you see pictures, he was kind of tucked back
behind this building and this wasn't a super busy loading dock. And for most of the day, he would have been in a shaded
area. So even if someone was driving by on like the parking lot part above the loading dock,
>> Mhm. >> I don't think that like he would have stood out. But the thing is even in a
shaded area, an expert that we talked to said that the thing that they would expect was for him to have been more
decomposed if he was there for all four days. So I don't know, I think there very well could be missing time that
like we need to fill. >> And in relation to like his apartment, the Verizon store where
he was headed, where is this loading dock? >> Not on the way. I mean, it's closer to
the store than his place, but there's like no direct path to the store that goes by this area. And actually, the
next piece of the mystery clicked into place when Kelly actually went in person to see the area where Spencer was found.
So, this is like a storage area for a waste company in Fresno. This is basically where they store dumpsters and
stuff, and it is not heavily monitored at the time. Now, when Kelly was there, she was looking for places with cameras,
and she found multiple, but most of them gave some kind of excuse for why they couldn't help. They were either like,
"Oh, we don't like have tape or whatever, or tape erases after 24 hours, or if you want our tape, you got to
bring the police back with you." But thankfully, there was one business that still had footage, and they were willing
to let Kelly see it. And this camera is pointed in the direction of one of the two gates that allows people on and off
this property. [music] And just to like orient you, so like imagine you're overhead looking down on a rectangular
building running vertically. At the bottom, you have like the main road, and to the right and left of this
building, you can enter what's basically like a parking lot that runs like a U around the building. And the loading
dock where Spencer is eventually found is like in the very back. So, from the vantage point overhead, the camera is
pointing at the entrance on the left. Now, Kelly spends hours going through the footage, which seems to only capture
when it's motion activated, but she's hoping to see some sign of Spencer going behind the business between July 28th
and August 1st. And while she doesn't get any confirmed footage of him on this camera, there is something that catches
her eye. The timestamp on the footage said that it was just after 10:00 p.m. on July 29th when a car pulls up to the
entrance. The security gate is already open, so this car can drive right through.
But as it does, it turns off its lights. Now, the quality isn't great, and what we've got is a video that Kelly took of
the original footage on her phone, but you can see that the car pulls in, goes off screen, and then it's out of
sight for less than 15 minutes. Then, it comes back and just leaves the way it came in.
After the car leaves, there's something else that is captured. Now, I only have a short clip of this, but the video
starts with someone standing by the front of the building alone and in the dark. And then, they walk off like out
of frame, but in the opposite direction than where the car came and left from. But, Kelly finds it odd that anyone is
out there in this area at this time. >> Okay, could she tell anything about the car that was driving in and out?
>> Well, the footage is too blurry to make out any kind of license plate, but the
good news is the car is distinctive enough that you can very clearly tell the make and model. It is a white Kia
Soul. >> Oh, those are like super boxy and identifiable. >> Yeah, which gives Kelly hope that maybe
if she can find a connection to anyone involved in Spencer's life who has access has a white Kia Soul, maybe this
is going to be some kind of link that will like lead her to what happened. Cuz though she can't prove anything from
this video alone, she feels confident that something happened to Spencer on Sunday the 28th. And whatever that car
was doing back there on the 29th had something to do with how his body ended up back there.
After Spencer's death, Kelly would go back to that area and look around at the back of the building where he was found,
looking for anything that might resemble evidence. And oddly enough, one of the first few times she went there, she saw
a pair of dirty underwear laying at the bottom of the loading dock. And I'm using the term like loading dock kind of
loosely. Basically, there was this platform and then like three [music] steps down and you were on the ground
level. So, it's not like this big pit or anything. But, she took a picture of the
underwear because without a doubt to her, she believes these were Spencer's. Kelly told our reporter, Taylor Day,
that Spencer wore a specific brand with unique designs on them. He had like 30 pairs of these things. Now, Kelly didn't
collect them at the time, and she wishes she did because when she went back another time, they were gone.
>> And I assume that it wasn't the police who went back and got them. >> No. She told them about the underwear,
though. She's giving everything that she finds to Fresno PD as she finds it. But,
what they do with it at the time is a mystery to us all. Kelly believes that Fresno PD just wrote Spencer off from
the beginning because they just didn't want to investigate. And when I say from the beginning,
I mean right there at the scene. Because guess what else she saw on surveillance
footage when she kept combing through it. She saw officers respond on August 1st. And she said she watched a police
car drive back there real slow, then an ambulance. A crime scene unit van even pulled up.
But, they didn't go back there. It just drove away. >> The The crime scene unit didn't even
drive back to the crime scene? >> Nope. >> Uh The more you tell me, the more pissed
off I'm getting. I can't They didn't know who this person was, what his history was, what had I mean,
they don't even They But, they don't They shouldn't even need to know that to do their job.
>> Right. This is their job. >> That's what I'm saying. They wrote him off and never gave him the courtesy of a
proper investigation. Now, remember, their excuse at the beginning was like, "Oh, we see this all the time. We get
calls like this. Man on drugs strips nude." That's why they handled it the way they did.
>> Okay, but did they? >> Well, this is This is the question. We requested records for calls of service
within this like triangle around where Spencer was found. When our FOIA came back, it turns out Spencer was the only
death of a person called that came up in the year leading up to his death. >> So, it's not like they were getting like
multiple calls like this. >> At least not in this specific area. Now, I'll say their jurisdiction is much
bigger than just this small area, and in this area, there were quite a few welfare check calls, like sick or
injured people. There were three suicides, but like nothing like this. So, Kelly takes all of this proof, what
she feels is important evidence, and she has a sit-down with detectives. And she's like, "Listen,
I'm going to walk you through this, and then you tell me if at the end this all sounds like natural causes." And
hypothetical after hypothetical is disproven. On drugs? Nope. Tox results came back with no red flags. So, our
detectives are like, "Well, you know, like maybe he had a mental crisis and took his clothes off and was like
walking around naked." But Kelly's like, "Okay, but like probably not because wouldn't that have been reported?" So,
they say, "Well, you know, maybe he got hot and went back behind the building to
cool off and then just like passed away." But Kelly's like, "You're telling me that Spencer walked over 4 miles to that
loading dock to cool off?" >> That literally makes zero sense. >> And then they point back to the fact
that there were no other footprints around him in all that dirt. There was just that snow angel pattern. And then
Kelly's like, "Okay, but then riddle me this. How did he end up there if there are no
footprints?" >> No footprints are no footprints and there's someone here, so like
he didn't just appear. >> Every time Kelly pushes back, detectives are like, "Well, you know, yeah, you're
right. This doesn't make sense." And so, Kelly keeps advocating for Spencer. And
eventually, finally, Fresno PD opens a formal investigation. At this point, they're
like 6 weeks behind, and so much evidence has been lost. But Kelly has developed one more lead that
she hands them. And it's the one in her mind that is the best place for them to start. You see, before Kelly got the
call from the coroner's office, she had been looking for her son. She hadn't heard from him in days, which was
unusual. So, on July 31st, she had called his landlord and asked her to do a welfare check. And the call that she
got back on that same day was weird. The landlord said that she had checked Spencer's apartment, and Spencer wasn't
there, but someone else was. Kelly told us that Spencer was part of something called the Hope Program, a
housing initiative designed to help and support Fresno City College students experiencing homelessness. The program
also provided substance use counseling for those dealing with addiction. And part of the agreement with Spencer's
college and the program was that the landlord had full authority to go into the tenant's apartments to make sure
that nothing bad was going on. And so, on July 31st, when Kelly couldn't get a hold of Spencer, she asked him to go in
and check on him. So, when the landlord called to report back, she told Kelly this strange story. She said that when
she entered his door code and walked into the small studio apartment, she didn't see anyone. So, she was about to
turn around and leave, but then she heard this sound come from the bathroom. So, she goes over and opens the door,
and there was this guy just in there. And she's like, "Who are you?" Because she knew it
wasn't Spencer. And this guy's like, "Oh, uh you know, I'm Spencer's cousin. He's letting me stay here while he's in
rehab." But the landlord doesn't think that's true. Like I said, she like knows Spencer, she knows Kelly, she's also
seen this guy around. She didn't know who he was. She was pretty sure he wasn't Spencer's cousin.
And Kelly later learns that this guy's name is Angel Gonzalez. >> Angel, that's the guy whose phone
Spencer used to call his mom, right? >> Correct. >> And I guess that's what I'm getting at.
Like, Kelly knows that like Spencer and Angel were supposed to be checking in on
the 29th, right? >> Right, exactly. It's not adding up. Angel was supposed to check in, too.
He's not supposed to be there. So, Kelly asks if detectives can look into this guy. But, Fresno PD just tells Kelly,
"Listen, we'll keep you posted." And they also want her to stop doing her own investigation, especially in that part
of town, because they tell her it's not safe for her. Naturally, though, Kelly doesn't stop.
>> Thank god. >> Day after day, she shows up going from business to business asking anyone if
they've seen her son. She shows them Spencer's picture. She also goes into different homeless encampments along the
route that he would have taken from his apartment to that Verizon store, but she
doesn't get any leads. And to Kelly, even after the police start investigating, she says it feels more
like detectives were trying to do everything they could to prove their conclusion rather than look into whether
or not foul play could have occurred. Like, they spoke to Spencer's girlfriend, Kate, months after his
death. And in their quick 15-minute interview, they basically tried to explain how meth could cause someone to
die in the manner that Spencer was found. Our reporter spoke to Kate, and she told us that she was adamant with
detectives that Spencer was never known to use meth. Yes, he drank, but he did not use hard drugs like that.
>> And his tox results prove that. >> Yeah, so Kate is saying like the detectives were trying to tell her that
meth may or may not show up in tox results. And she said that they told her it wouldn't have been impossible for it
to be in his system without showing up in the results. >> Is Is that true? I mean,
I guess I've always been under the impression that if you die from meth, I don't know, meth is in your system.
Like, like >> that seems like a one-to-one. Like, that's what happens. >> Yeah, and listen, I was like, I felt
like I was losing my mind. I felt like I was being gaslighted with them. I I tried finding something definitive, and
I did find a couple of studies. There was one from 2015, another from 2024, and everything I'm reading indicates
that if you got meth in your system, it would show up. Basically, Kate feels like they were telling her this so maybe
that she would convince Kelly that that's what could have happened, and maybe this whole thing would just like
go away. I mean, if you're Kelly, I have to imagine it feels like you're like losing your grip on
>> reality. >> Gaslighting you, right? That's what I'm saying. >> Everything seems so black and white cuz
it it is, and the people who are supposed to be helping you, like you said, they're just telling you not to
like believe your own eyes and ears. >> Yes. >> That's what led Kelly to our website at the end of last year,
to fill out our case suggestion form asking [music] us to help her. So, I put one of our reporters, Taylor
Day, on it to help Kelly. >> [music] >> And together, they have still been uncovering new information, including
finding a witness who is near that loading dock the morning that Spencer was found.
They were there when officers arrived, and they told us that to them, it looked like a homicide right away. Now, the
witness who was at the loading dock the morning that Spencer was found asked to remain anonymous for a number of
reasons, but we verified their identity and the reason they had for even being in that area, which was completely
unrelated to Spencer in any way. This person told our reporter that they were there when officers first arrived, and
they said that the officers were immediately super dismissive, basically just like, "Oh, another transient that
OD'd." Now, they may have jumped to that conclusion because this place was an area where sometimes transient folks
would be. And on a few occasions, unhoused people would use that area to camp out in. But the witness said that
they don't even know how they jumped to that conclusion about Spencer because he
didn't have any of the telltale signs that he was living on the streets. And they took even bigger issue with the
fact that they were writing this off as an overdose because this witness says that they saw marks around Spencer's
neck, specifically a purple mark on the back of his neck. And the witness said that they spoke up immediately saying to
the officers that this did not look like an overdose. Which, if that's true, changes
everything. >> Yeah. >> So we knew what we had to do. Our reporter goes to Kelly
>> [music] >> and gets her to put in a records request for the crime scene photos.
>> Wait, so there were photos taken? >> There were photos. This is the one thing
they did do and did it well, it seems. [music] Now we had Kelly ask for them because departments will often release
more information to families than they will to media outlets. And sure enough, they were willing to give them to her.
Now she wasn't ready to see them, it's why she had never requested them before. So she, as soon as she got them,
forwarded them right along to us and Brent. If this case wasn't confusing enough, these pictures add a whole
'nother layer. But one thing is clear as day, and that's that Spencer's cause of
death is not clear. And there absolutely should have been an autopsy to determine
how Spencer Irwin died. Now the photos we got are essentially fully unredacted. So I could see a lot
of detail. When Spencer was found, he was face down on top of a thick layer of dirt and surrounded by discarded trash.
He's fully nude and just like investigators said, clear as day, there are what look like snow angel marks
around the upper half of his body. But interestingly, nothing around the lower half that would show like similar
movement. And we talked about decomp earlier. Spencer definitely had been dead for at least a little while before
these photos were taken. Cuz when they rolled him over, you could see that lividity was present and all of the
blood had pulled to the front of his body. But weirdly, his arms and his head were much darker than the rest of him.
Though it was like kind of hard to tell like what was dirt, what might have been
decay. I didn't know what that meant, but here is the thing that I honed in on because thank god for high-quality crime
scene photos. I was like zoom zoom like zooming in on his neck trying to see what this witness saw. Now, I couldn't
tell much from the back like his hair is kind of in the way. But when they roll him over, like right freaking there is a
line across Spencer's neck. Now, here is where I have to take a step back. Like I've been doing this a long
time. I've seen my fair share of crime scene and autopsy photos now, but I don't want to do Spencer or Kelly a
disservice by getting carried away with my opinion. I needed like a real seasoned forensic pathologist to look at
these pictures and tell me what we were seeing. So, we got a hold of Dr. Priya Banerjee, a board-certified forensic
pathologist who was gracious enough to help us make sense of all of this. First and foremost, the fact that Spencer was
found face down, nude, and [music] outside is a red flag enough that an autopsy should have been done. That's
what she said, full stop. >> which is what Kelly has been saying. >> Yeah. And Dr. Banerjee's next comment
was on those snow angel marks. She said those didn't make sense to her. And honestly, she brought something up that
I hadn't even thought about. One that the coroner's office surely didn't think of. And it's that the marks could have
been completely unrelated. She says this is a high-traffic area with dumpsters like moving around. And she says the
marks are almost too symmetrical. She says it's like too circular. Like maybe something else caused those before he
was even there. And we asked her all of the things, of course. I'm like, "Well, what if like someone was on his back
like holding him down? And he's like flailing around. Like could that cause what we're seeing? And she says, "No,
still. It's too symmetrical." And so then, you know, I was like, "Well, you know, he abused alcohol." And one thing
that has kind of like loomed over this case is the possibility that he died of something related to that. Like, could
he have had a seizure or something? And she said, "Nope. Like, with these marks,
like same thing. Like, >> [music] >> you run into the same problem with them being too symmetrical. That's not him
flailing." >> him having some kind of medical emergency related to his alcohol abuse
doesn't make any sense to me because he's naked. >> Agreed. And even in an overdose
situation, Dr. Banerji told us that stripping down isn't something she typically sees. The paradoxical
undressing, as she called it, is typically seen in situations where the body is super cold, like hypothermia.
>> Right. I've seen that before. >> It's July in California. Like, it is not cold. No. Him being undressed, though,
helped in a huge way with Dr. Banerji's assessment because she could see almost all of him. She could see that
there were no signs he'd been in a fight or in a struggle of any kind. There were
no bruising on his knuckles or anything. Now, the one thing I asked her about specifically were his head and his arms.
I told you they were a lot darker. And I thought this like meant something. Thank
god we talked to an expert. She said, "No, this is actually something pretty normal to see like when a body decays."
So basically, when looking at it all, Dr. Banerji said, "There is a world where she could see this being
unsuspicious death. There is no external trauma, you know, like the sheriff's coroner is saying. So, maybe no foul
play." But she said, "The only way to know that would be to do an autopsy." She said, "You have to to connect the
dots, to rule out other options, or to even prove their theory right." >> Which their theory we know is wrong
because of the tox results. >> Yes. And listen, she clocked that same straight line mark right under Spencer's
jawline that goes straight back. But she said there is a world where it isn't suspicious. She said it might just be a
skin fold from like how he was laying. But it also could be a ligature mark. >> And the only way to know for sure would
be >> autopsy. Yes. So Dr. Banerji can't tell us from the pictures what killed Spencer. But after her consultation,
what I am confident of is that his case was mishandled from the jump in a way that would have serious implications for
its solvability down the line. >> Did In these pictures, did you see any of his clothes or like other things?
>> No, there's actually like a couple of clothing items up on the dock itself, kind of like above Spencer, but we
showed images of just those to Callie and she said those didn't look like Spencer's things. So as far as we've
been able to tell, his stuff is still missing, including that phone that we know he had on him when he was headed to
the Verizon store. >> Oh. >> But, you want to know something weird about that? >> Sure.
>> Kate told our reporter that sometime after Spencer's death, she was on Snapchat and she saw Spencer's name pop
up as like a suggested friend. Like cuz it's people in her contacts or whatever.
But under his name is what stopped her in her tracks because it was a username she didn't recognize.
It started with smiley and then it had six numbers after it. And when it hit her who that could be, it stopped her
dead in her tracks. The six digits in the username that popped up on Kate's phone
were an exact match for Angel's birthday. Angel, whose middle name, by the way, includes
Smiley. And they know this for a fact because Kelly found Angel's driver's license in
Spencer's apartment with his full name and date of birth. So, let's go back to Angel for a second.
It turns out, we know he only knew Spencer for like 3 weeks. Like I said, they met at that detox program that he
went to on the 10th. After that, Spencer let Angel stay with him while they waited for their spots to open up in the
rehab center. Angel was experiencing homelessness, and Spencer had made it his life's mission to help people in
similar situations to Angel. Now, when Kelly was telling us about Angel and the way that he was basically integrated
into all the different aspects of Spencer's life, you could have made us believe that Spencer had known this guy
for years. And listen, being an associate doesn't make him complicit. Neither does him being found in the
apartment the day before Spencer's body is discovered, and likely after he was already dead.
>> If that white Kia is really involved. >> Right, if. But, Angel lied about Spencer's whereabouts. Like, he's saying
that he checked in to the rehab place, which like doesn't make sense to me because they've been doing everything
together. You know Spencer's not coming home cuz you're there. You didn't check into rehab. So, like, what's up?
>> And Spencer was on Kelly's phone plan, right? Like, did she pull the logs? Was
there any more activity? >> Oh, yeah. Again, she's a Crime Junkie. That's one of the first things she did.
There was no outgoing activity after the 27th. And only two numbers had like been
incoming after that. So, the phone basically had stopped using her phone plan. And in case you're wondering, yes,
of course, police have all of this information, too. Initially, Kelly said Fresno PD couldn't locate Angel to
question him, despite getting his mom's address where she heard that he spent time. Now, Kate said that she was able
to talk to Angel through Facebook, and she asked him if there was literally anything he could tell her about what
could have led to Spencer's passing. And Britt, I'm actually going to have you read his response.
>> Ugh, I completely understand and I was kind of expecting this message. To be honest with you, I don't mind at all
opening up to you. I just feel like it's not fair to Spencer to talk to you about
this in the state/frame of mind I'm in. And if it's okay with you that we pick up on it tomorrow,
probably in the morning should work for me. I just want to be in a more sober sort
of more genuine state of mind. I feel like he deserves at least that. I have nothing but good to say about him.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That makes sense. Except he doesn't follow up. Kate sent us screenshots and
she asked him about the area where Spencer was found. She told him it didn't make sense why he was over there.
And Angel did respond to that, but just with this short message. He said, "I've never been there with him. That's odd
why he was over there. He's never mentioned it." So Kate messages him back asking about
Spencer's like state of mind, if he ever saw Spencer hanging out with somebody who drove a white Kia Soul, but nothing.
Ghosted, never got a response. And let me tell you, Angel is not an easy guy to track down. Our reporter has called so
many numbers associated with him or his mom, but they all led nowhere. Though I will leave you with this one little
glimmer of hope. As we were wrapping up our reporting, Kelly sent us an email saying that Fresno PD located Angel and
interviewed him. And it was thanks to that screenshot of the Snapchat. She said they also got search warrants
signed and subpoenaed Spencer and Angel's phone records to see if there is any helpful location data. TBD on those
results, but like this more than anything to me feels like like progress for the first time, right? And I'm
hoping that they're even looking beyond just Angel because there is someone else
that Kelly has questions for. I told you there were two numbers that had contacted Spencer's phone after he
disappeared. Well, one ended up being his therapist, but another they couldn't identify. So, Kelly and Kate sent a text
to this number asking if it was Angel. And the reply was, "No, this is Happy." And this is where things like start
falling into place a little bit. Because when Kelly and Kate were canvassing the
area trying to find people who had seen Spencer, they had stopped at this one smoke shop and were showing pictures of
Spencer. But, they had also brought along a picture of another guy, one of Spencer's neighbors who Spencer told his
mom he was having issues with right before his death. This guy's name is Tyler. But, the person behind the counter looks
at that picture of Tyler and is like, "Oh, that's Happy. He's a bad guy." Now, Tyler lived next door to Spencer and he
was also in the Hope Program. And the reason they'd been carrying around his picture is because two weeks before
Spencer's death, Spencer allegedly told his mom he was pretty sure that Tyler broke into his apartment while he was in
the detox program and stole his money, his PlayStation, and a laptop. And at the time, he was sure it had to have
been Tyler because he knew his door code. >> Is this someone that he had trusted?
>> So, I don't think so, but for some reason he told Kelly that Tyler was like the only one who knew his key code.
Though, I don't know how he got it. >> Tyler and Angel. >> Well, yeah, Angel. But, like I'm pretty
sure Angel came after his stuff was already stolen. >> Got it. >> Now, Spencer didn't call the police at
the time. He wanted to like handle it himself. And all we know about how that worked out comes from Spencer's landlord
who said that after he accused Tyler of stealing a bunch of guys came over with knives and bats, I guess to like
intimidate Spencer. But, Kelly said that Spencer locked himself in his room and then nothing
happened. Now, Kelly feels pretty certain that Tyler did take the stuff because as fate would have it, Kelly was
going through Facebook Marketplace and she typed in Tyler's full name and sure enough, there was a sale posted on
Facebook for a 2012 Lenovo ThinkPad, which is what Spencer supposedly had. There's even a picture with the specs
and Kelly showed her husband, Spencer's dad, who is like an IT guy. Apparently, he like fixes and builds laptops all the
time, so he's got like an eye for these things and he tells Kelly he's pretty confident that that laptop is the one
that he gave to Spencer for school. But, here's the thing, if Tyler took [snorts]
that stuff, that was back on like the like 10th or or during that time, >> Yeah.
>> it seems like he got away with it because like nothing happened after that. So, I don't know what motive Tyler
would have to do something to Spencer. >> And Kelly gave all this information to
police, too. >> Yeah, of course. She says that like basically what she got back is they told
her there's no connection or even proof that the laptop like that he even stole the stuff because they're like, "We
can't do anything without the receipt for the laptop." Now, I don't know where police stand with Tyler or if they're
investigating him at all. To me, like I'd be like trying to run this laptop down. Like, who has it now? Who did he
sell it to? You could probably do like a forensic audit to like prove it was Spencer without the receipt. I don't
know. Again, these are leads, but they're still not proof of anything. And there is a very real possibility that
we're looking at this all wrong. Maybe Spencer was in the wrong place at the wrong time, which would take this
investigation down a completely different path. Maybe Spencer died because of complications related to his
abuse of alcohol. The problem is enough wasn't done to prove anything, which feels like a crime in and of itself to
me. That for almost two years, Kelly has had to fight, to wonder, to investigate
lots of times on her own because the proper actions weren't taken early on enough in the beginning to actually to
give her like an answer or peace. So, she has been looking for answers on her own ever since. Reaching out to us was
one of Kelly's efforts to do that. She also connected with a medium. Kate did, too. And their experiences were pretty
similar. It's not physical proof of anything, but it has been helpful for them. Both Kate and Kelly were told that
three people may have been involved in Spencer's death. And the message that Kelly got from Spencer is that he wasn't
doing anything [music] wrong. It was just wrong place, wrong time, wrong people.
The medium said Spencer wanted Kelly to know that he was sorry for what happened. And above all, he wanted her
to be careful. Kelly's being careful, but she is also been a relentless investigator and
advocate for Spencer's story, not taking no for an answer. And now that's starting to pay off.
Kelly tells us now she's incredibly hopeful for the work being put in by the current investigator, Sergeant Antonio
Rivera. She said that he is following up on leads, contacting the right people, and
taking her seriously. The tragic irony of it all is how Spencer cared so deeply and wanted to
help people, especially unhoused individuals. Spencer talked a lot about how if he could just save one soul by
helping someone through addiction, then his own suffering would have been worth it.
And Kelly told us about this one time when Spencer said he met this young guy named Louie while he was walking on an
outdoor trail one day. Spencer saw that he appeared to be unhoused and he stopped to talk to him. And Spencer said
that he wanted to give him hope. Spencer even went back and took him some clothing and some food. And this
happened like several years before Spencer passed away. Well, a few days after Kelly found out that Spencer had
died, she was sad, she couldn't sleep, so she opened Facebook in the middle of the night and she had gotten this
message. And I'm going to read it for you. It said, "I only knew Spencer briefly. I was
homeless and going through a very tough time in my life. I met Spencer at a park
one day and we chatted for a good while and even hung out once or twice after that. He was sincerely a shining light
in those dark times. One of the reasons I made it through was because of people like him who treated me so well and
pushed me to make things better. I've since then been doing fairly well for myself and can say I grew a lot. I never
would be able to say that if it wasn't for him being the person he was. I cannot express my sorrow for what has
happened. I sincerely hope it brings comfort to those close to him to know he helped save one soul. May he rest in
peace and may you all cherish in the memory of him >> [music] >> as I will." >> Mhm.
Wow. Kelly has no clue how this guy found her or remembered Spencer's name, but that was the reminder she needed to see
that Spencer's life was purposeful and he helped so many people along his journey. Because to Spencer, everyone
was valued. But yet in his death, responding officers assumed he was an unhoused individual who overdosed and it
doesn't seem like they valued him at all. They wrote him off immediately, ruining his chances at a proper
investigation. Like I said, Kelly has been championing her son's story and I truly believe that together, Crime
Junkies, we can get answers. I feel like we are on the edge of a major breakthrough.
So if you have any information regarding the mysterious death of Spencer Erwin, you can contact the Fresno Police
Department directly at 559-621-7000. Or if you want to remain anonymous, you can contact the Valley Crime Stoppers by
texting Valley to 738-477. And you can always reach us by emailing [music] tips@audiochuck.com.
You can find all the source material for this episode on our website [music] crimejunkie.com.
>> And you can follow us on Instagram at crimejunkiepodcast. >> We'll be back next week with a brand new
episode.

On August 1, 2024, 30-year-old Spencer Irwin was found dead near a loading dock in Fresno, California. He was discovered alone. No clear cause of death. Initially, investigators assumed there was nothing suspicious to investigate.But they were wrong. In this video, Ashley Flowers and Brit Prawat uncover the case of Spencer Irwin, a story that had never been publicly reported, and the questions his mother, Kelly Irwin, refused to stop asking.

They explore Spencer’s last known movements on July 28, 2024 in Fresno, California, the timeline leading up to his death, why no full autopsy was performed, the surveillance footage that may show suspicious activity near the scene, and the key individuals connected to Spencer in his final days As Kelly began investigating on her own, new details emerged including a potential sighting of a vehicle entering the area where Spencer was later found, missing personal belongings, including his phone, conflicting accounts about where Spencer was supposed to be, and evidence that may have been overlooked in the early stages of the case Now, with new information and renewed attention, investigators have reopened parts of the case.

If you have any information regarding the mysterious death of Spencer Irwin, you can contact the Fresno Police Department directly at 559-621-7000 or anonymously through Valley Crime Stoppers by texting ‘VALLEY’ to 738477.

Key Episode Moments: 00:00 Intro 1:03 Found in Fresno 3:36 No Autopsy, Case Dismissed Early 13:58 Last Known Movements 18:50 Suspicious Car Near the Scene 21:47 Surveillance Footage Raises Questions 25:02 Family Starts Their Own Investigation 37:41 Activity on Spencer’s Missing Phone 42:48 – Neighbor & New Leads -------- Follow Crime Junkie: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crimejunkiepodcast Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CrimeJunkiePodcast/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/CrimeJunkiePod Crime Junkie is created and hosted by Ashley Flowers.

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Brief Summary

Spencer Irwin's mysterious death prompts his mother Kelly to investigate police negligence and uncover troubling evidence.

Key points

The Mysterious Death of Spencer Irwin. Spencer Irwin was found dead under suspicious circumstances, leading to a mother's quest for answers.
Kelly's Heartbreaking Discovery. Kelly Irwin learns the devastating news about her son, Spencer, and the circumstances of his death.
A Call to Action. The importance of knowing your rights regarding autopsies is emphasized with a memorable phone number.
A Mother's Determination. Kelly Irwin takes matters into her own hands to uncover the truth about her son's death.
The Distinctive White Kia Soul. Kelly hopes to find a connection to Spencer's life through a distinctive car seen on footage.
Suspicious Circumstances. Witness claims Spencer's death looked like a homicide, contradicting police conclusions.

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