We Talk about Things /// OTR 44 | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] that is really that that's a real guitar riff and that's real crowd noises mhm
from the 500 people packed into the garage was it was a real guitar yeah everybody good did the um the wind
yesterday nuts I I don't know if there was like were there tornadoes anywhere like nuts it was hor it was crazy it was
like nuts everywhere it was scary there was one point where I heard some noises and I thought oh finally my windows have
broke and just gave in from this crazy that we got going on and I was surprised that the garage didn't lose power as I
was driving here today there was a power line you know the pole deal outside that
they were they were working on putting it back in the ground but we actually lose power here pretty easily cuz we're
at the back of the at the section at the back where nobody cares they're like oh
it's the last batch yeah if it goes down it goes down could the crazy in the back
power went out we don't need to restore it well I've been uh under the weather for an unusual amount of time usually if
I get or AKA under the nuts if usually if I get a cold it lasts like 24 hours and that's it but I've I've had this
thing for a while I don't know what it is but uh got some nuts in your throat the good news is that I've been a I've
been catching up on a lot of TV the past yeah as I'm just lying there on the couch so yeah but it's good I mean we
work really hard and it's it's pretty bad that you have to relax when you get a cold like that's the only time but
there's a bazillion other things I would rather be rather be doing mhm uh you brought up something earlier one of the
documentaries that I think were we told to did somebody tell us to watch it or were we paid to watch it no I don't I
think it was that I didn't I meant did a listener suggest it or uh abducted and plain sight yeah so there there are some
people out there God bless you if you're one of these people but uh there are some people that are di hards that no
matter what True Crime documentary docu series comes out they they will watch it
they will tune in and that's fantastic um one of their Hobbies I don't know that I don't think I had an
email from a listener to watch it I think it was just like a recommendation you know like uh is it was it Amazon or
Netflix do you recall it was Netflix those things are just running together for me but you know how when you when
you when you open it up sometimes they've filtered some things to the top for you that seem like suggestions like
oh you you might like watching this yeah they have this new feature now when it there's like like a new movie hits like
it'll be like the like the first thing that starts playing oh yeah yeah yeah I like that yeah um I
have mixed feelings about that after I like I I opened up Netflix I think it was Saturday maybe and the suggestion
was um paddleton with Ray Romano oh I like Ray Romano yeah and so I watched like the
first little clip kind of like the trailer and it was It was kind of dark on some level
but it was there was also a joke in there and I was like well that's kind of funny I could use kind
of especially a lot of these comedians they they go into the Drama World they go into it's like Steve Carell right
like all his movies are just to make you cry now and you know what though I like
the Steve caral like I I think that he say I didn't like him I know but I think he's becoming one of those actors or
actresses for me we were talking last week and I said you know I kind of have a list of people that it seems like no
matter what they are in is it's good or worth watching you got to give it a go even if it seems like something you
wouldn't be into right he's he's starting to work his way onto that short list of people for me well Ray Romano is
on that list for me and and one of the reasons cuz he did a show called men of a certain age that was This brilliant it
was a brilliant show never seen anything like it and because because it's so creative and and
such of a different you know mindset than the norm it just never took off you know um which was a shame but yeah so
paddleton pad Paddington no that's a bear that's a bear I think uh paddleton look I I did see the little the little
clip same thing when you turn it on the little clip starts playing and it looked
like it was Ray Romano in the actor in a doctor's office which I should know his
name cuz he was absolutely brilliant in this movie he's a good actor but here's where I'm going to have a problem with
that paddleton that fact that you're just going to cry your face off well the other guy that we don't know his name
that's sitting in the doctor's office he played a guy in the second series of Goliath which I absolutely loved Goliath
season one and two mhm but he plays a bad guy and he's like a disturb I mean his character is just
so I don't I don't even want to get into it it's so disturbing and he does such a
good job playing that character that I don't know that I can see him as anything else you know what I
mean you know how sometimes an actor an actress is so good in a role that it kind of ruins them for you yeah but I I
I think you'll have no problem 5 minutes in you I'm not doing different I'm not you'll cry your face off but also what's
sad about this movie is that because it comes out so it came out so soon that and it's such great acting and I think
that's going to be overlooked because of the story people are going to go well the story is sad so
there but it's like the the acting is just brilliant and I think it'll be overlooked for awards later next year
what's the name of that again paddleton oh I thought you said you hadn't seen it oh I saw it Oh I'm confused I'm sorry
I apologize no I so so I watched it that's why you said you'll cry your eyes out cuz you know Cry Your Face Off you
know the the face you at some point melt your face you'll be halfway through the
movie you'll look down and your face will be on the carpet well what what was weird was there's a lot of Choke up
moments you know where you're getting choke you got to fight through it you're like yeah well so so I ended up fighting
through it and you know and this kind of hits home like with some stuff that's going on in just
like personal life but it like I got through the movie and then I realized like oh the the crying my face off
didn't happen mhm and and it should haveh so now I'm going to end up crying my face off but I don't know when it's
saved up for later yeah so I'm going to like I'm going to have to watch like a you what's that show uh the tear bank is
full and it's just waiting it's just waiting to pop I'm going to have to watch like a a gry's Anatomy or or
episode of this is us or something and just let it go like when some random dirt bag pulls
up to an ATM and tries to bust into it with a screwdriver you never know when it's going to happen you could be at the
Starbucks or uh tomorrow is T is uh Taco Bell Tuesday do you still do Taco Tuesday sometimes you end up at the Taco
Bell yeah you could be at the Taco Bell tomorrow and The Tear bank is just going
to door is going to open up I'm going to stop being friends with people that don't do Taco Tuesday would you like
sauce with [Music] that why is this world so sad extra Fire Sauce yeah please in my eye I'm having a
moment shoot it in my eye what was that documentary again name that one the the one we we started off talking about
abducted in plain sight oh I hated it it was awful I hated it I hated the people
in it I hat I hated the story well you can't do that cuz there are victims they might be they might be victims I feel
like the daughter is a victim I feel like the parents are uh could yeah yeah morons yeah it's it's weird I wouldn't
uh my recommendation is don't waste your time well the thing too was some people
liked it uh I I posted I posted on the Instagram that I was going to watch and and there was all these comments coming
in I didn't know what to make of it and and it really made it seem like oh there
this is kind of crazy yeah uh but it was a crazy story but it was put together so poorly that
the whole time I'm going this is fake this is a fake story mhm and this is of this girl was abducted uh there was um
you know as far as we know um molestation to to a minor right and and that's a crime and that's a crime that
um that I hold as far as like those are the crimes that get me the most as far as like piss me off the
most and and this was put together so poorly and came across as such a phony story
that I just couldn't believe most of it and I tried to look up some of the the facts that of the story that they were
telling and I could not find record of some of the parts on on the interwebs right the only time that you could is if
you stopped like Googling like real words and you started Googling you know like you know child
abduction you know the person's name and then and then you'd get a bunch of information but all the information
would have been about the documentary there wasn't like oh well there's record of this we have records of this um or
these all these newspaper clippings that they keep showing in the documentary I don't even believe those were real
because I started looking up the newspaper that they claimed that was coming from and that newspaper didn't
even look the same so yeah I I mean I felt horrible for the for the real victim and and but that was
the problem with the documentary it's like you know so many of the cases we talk about about that there's a whole
garage full of victims you know you have you have somebody who was victimized by
some [ __ ] and then what ends up being is their families are victims you know so forth and so on and in this
particular case and forgive me uh because I didn't watch the whole thing I I couldn't finish it so if there was
some kind of Revelation at the end or or some bigger part of the story that I missed out on and I'm being an [ __ ]
here then I apologize but but that's my caveat I didn't finish it um well the guy that they were talking about you
know it started out as a book he was never technically was he technically charged with anything no that or
convicted that what gets weird is a this is where it's difficult because we know
that this person existed we know that some of these events took place but the first abduction when she came back there
was no signs of any sexual contact so they couldn't even charge him with that but you know her claim is that
there there was I I'm not going to not believe her right you know let's give her the benefit of the doubt but it is
strange that you'd be gone that long you'd have you know sex well let's not even call it sex you're going to be
raped by this older gentleman and there's going to be no physical proof of it MH
so so basically what you get in the end is that they put out this book and when they put out the book the guy that
they're talking about accusing and accusing uh you know they call him be in the story he sues them and he's trying
to get them to and he didn't really care what what it kind of seems like in the documentary is that he didn't really
care so much about the book now he made the book okay everything that you said in the book is untrue according to him
right so I'm going to state that on the record but he had a problem because he heard they were making into a movie oh
yeah and he was just like this you know this has to stop like enough is enough like yeah right and then at some point
she's saying you know no we're not trying to make into a movie or or yeah they were but it's not going to happen
whatever but then it's like the guy dies and you make this documentary and now he's not around to defend
himself right yeah and that's uh but I mean and what they claim is that other women came forward but that again
that's a claim that he can't you know argue now now the the one claim is that they claim that there was he got charged
with the rape and he spent a year in jail now all all I would say is produce that
information if I know that that's true then I'm more likely to believe the other stuff but I think because it was
po so poorly put together and I think on top of that the fact that the girl that
you know is the victim in the story she's an actor she's a real life actor mhm and so
I think some of the scenes I see what you're saying is she being authentic or is she acting her way through some of
the scenes I mean one of the scenes is she she was talking about her father's house uh father's business being burnt
down and again accusing this guy of burning it down well actually accusing him of pain it was something ridiculous
like well he told these uh inmates that he'd pay pay him $1,000 a week or $1,000
a month for a long period now you're going to tell me that these criminals went and burned down a building which
burnt down like half the city again I had a hard time even trying to find any talk about this in those Town
newspapers and you know if he if he told him he was going to pay him that much and he
stopped paying him eventually they found him and probably beat the [ __ ] out of
him would have some record of this couldn't find record of that either but it was this whole scene about how her
her her dad was hugging the family and saying let it burn let it burn I got everything here right here that I need
you know and she's crying and it's like it's just seemed a little overdramatic and it's like not to mention that your
father um was driving in a car with this guy and the guy had a heart on and he decided to reach over and relieve the
guy sexually and then had a homosexual relationship with this guy well and uh and then and that's kind of just panned
over real quickly yeah yeah I mean look that that was what was troubling for me you know
our hearts and thoughts are always with the victim and the victims but in this case as you said it it was poorly done
this documentary it was poorly put together and almost to a sense where it it does seem fake almost right
and so therefore it like it makes it hard to Champion these people that are coming forward and they're like you know
we're finally able to tell our story and and and you know God bless them for uh being getting the strength together to
tell their story but it was just it it was tough to get behind it um um yeah I mean basically the story is here's this
guy that they meet a family friend B he becomes interested in one of the daughters it's interesting to me that he
wasn't interested in the other daughters even though they're similar age um that just didn't make a lot of
sense to me but then he has a sexual relationship with the mother he has a homosexual relationship with the father
he basically wants to molest and marry this young girl um and just like and just things
that you would wouldn't believe would happen like he goes away and gets therapy and the therapist tells him that
he has to share a bed with this girl that he wants to molest and he lays in bed while listening to tapes that
describe him having sex with this girl and he did this like four times a week for like 6 months and the fact that the
parents were allow allowing this to happen and then at the end of the documentary you know the victim is
sitting there saying hey you know I I had to forgive this guy so I couldn't have any power over me which I totally
get but it's like the other question should be have you forgiven your parents well that's the thing that made it hard
for me to watch because it look and I'm just an outsider looking in I don't know
the whole story you're you're not a part of their family [ __ ] I didn't even finish the documentary did you give be a
hand job but cuz that's like to be in the family you have to relieve him sexually the thing that was so difficult
about the whole story was my take was that the it was almost like the parents of this poor girl
allowed her to be molested and and I know I know their story is we didn't know that this was
going on but it it to me from an outsider looking in it was like how the hell did you not know
one I I mean it just really like like you said it almost felt like that this girl who's now an adult it you wanted
you want her to be mad at her parents too and I and I get that she's she doesn't seem to be from the from what I
watched but it just seemed it seemed like there was a lot of blame to that could have been pushed around and I
thought should have been pushed around and well and they did kind of hit on the fact that the first abduction cuz she's
basically abducted did twice but the first abduction um what's interesting about it
is that they don't charge him that the I believe the state ends up charging him or the government ends up charging him
he ends up having to do time for that because the parents won't come forward and and and press charges their hands
are tied now the reason why they didn't press charges is because they have this homosexual relationship that went on and
this other Affair that went on and they didn't want that to come out in their Community this is also a time where
communities were smaller and something like that that could cause you to have to close your shop move to a different
city um but if you really thought that this guy but after that even if you don't press charges he spends a little
time in jail if he comes around you again you stop it you don't let there be any more
contact but but but they just were so naive oh well there's no signs of him sexually abusing our daughter so maybe
he didn't so so now let's let him sleep in the bed with her it's just I mean it's disappointing ridiculous you can
move you can build a new store build a new shop build a new business what you can't risk is ruining your daughter's
life right or allowing someone to ruin her life but I'd say that there was a lot of confusion going on there I mean I
think her father was a homosexual male that was living as a straight male and that was probably huge for him to deal
with and probably still huge for him to deal with um and then there's also a family trying
to stay together in the Dynamics of what that would be like you know cuz you know
here's the the mom that's easily duped by this guy well why is she easily duped by this guy well her her husband's not
attract Ed to her and hasn't been maybe ever you know what I mean so it's but it's so poorly put together that it just
comes off as completely phony um to the point where I was looking it up in one of the number one searches is abducted
at plain sight is this fake um oh yeah so that's just bad but what what's interesting about this and I don't want
to give spoiler alert and I think we've ruined the whole thing well don't who cares I mean they've
ruined it so no but spoiler alert if you haven't watched True Detective season 3 what's interesting about in this
abducted and plain sight was the second abduction again spoiler alert so if you're watching True Detective turn this
off what happened in the second Abduction of abducted in plain sight is that he ends up abducting her but then
putting her enrolling her into like a Catholic boarding school and then he he pretended that he was a CIA agent and
what he would do is he would she he put her into school and then on the weekends
he'd come visit her see what I'm saying so if you then watch season the finale of True Detective season 3 last
night you'd realize a similar thing happened in in that story so it's interesting with these True Detective
Seasons how they take pieces of real life and put it into the story um one thing I do want to go
through here today this is an update but it's not an update on a case that we did
but it's interesting stuff because it it it plays into a couple of different things that we've talked
about uh through the history of our show plus a lot of stuff going on with cases
and breaks and cases cold cases last year and this is from the Los Angeles Times so if you want to see the picture
that I'm um that they're referencing you can find that at Los Angeles Times on their website and you probably just by
Googling the name James Allen Neil So they show a picture it's an old picture um and it says James Alan Neil is seen
seen in an undated photo released by Newport Beach police who H to find additional Witnesses in the murder case
against him related to a 1973 slaying of Linda o'keef and it says yeah they're hoping
to jog the memories of longtime residents who might have crossed paths with the suspect in the kidnapping and
killing of 11-year-old Linda O'Keefe in July of 197 three authorities have released a photo of James Allen Neil to
show what he may have looked like at the time of the slangs the photo is thought
to have been taken between the late 1970s and early 1980s Newport Beach police said Neil today is 72 years old
he was arrested last Tuesday by authorities in Colorado where he lives and remains in custody barring any legal
challenges he awaits extradition to California according to Newport Beach police Neil has been charged with
special circumstances murder kidnapping and lewd and lascivious acts against a minor under 14 in connection with
Linda's death authorities say Neil went by the name James Albert Leighton Jr at the time of the killing investigators
believe he changed I'm sorry he lived in Southern California in the 1970s and changed his name following an incident
in Florida so I bring this up for a couple of reasons because they busted this guy after all these years that was
1972 they just they just arrested him last week got him got him and this was because of genealogy you know something
we've discussed several times DNA from the crime scene rub the genie and he comes out of the you rub the lamp and
Genie comes out of the lamp well Newport Beach detectives in 2018 contacted parabon nanu Labs who we we've discussed
several times a Virginia based medical lab which used DNA from the crime scene to calculate a possible suspect's facial
composite uh they released one of what he would have looked like in his mid 20s they believe the perpetrator to be in
his mid 20s as well as a composite of someone in his late 60s or early 70s genealogy is what caught up with this
guy even all these decades later so that that's an that's something we've championed on our show and will continue
to do so in in in in high hopes of what will 2019 bring how many other bust how many other cold cases will be cracked
and solved because of this new technology yeah I think the tough thing with some of these cases that are not
being solved is because the DNA that they have from the crime scene is contaminated and some way shape or form
or there's not enough yeah I watched this 20 minute breakdown of the John B Ramsey DNA that they used um I think in
2003 to clear the family and then it's tested again in 2007 and 2008 and I it's like one why are we
testing it again what was done wrong in 2003 that you have to test it again and then eventually they used it to clear uh
the family but when you break it down they could take some DNA samples from you and there would be some matching
figures from me to be matching figures because there could be a mixture of two people maybe three people so I think
until and and that's obviously just one case but we've talked about it with the deli murders case is their DNA because
we keep getting these people that are suspects and then we keep you know time passes
at first it was quickly here's a suspect please quickly that that's not them well
how are they clearing these people so fast and then all a sudden that kind of started slowing down and that that's
what made me think they're testing DNA well they keep clearing this P person so then that's where you start
questioning after hundreds and hundreds of suspects that you have essentially cleared or won't name a suspect
um is the DNA in that case is it contaminated is there was it collected properly what's going on with that that
we are not able to solve that so yes what's going to happen in 2019 you're going to definitely see some
cases that are solved because of this technology but how many of them are unsolvable does that make
sense unsolvable because of of uh well there's there's a lot that are unsolvable and I and unsolvable in the
fact that they have DNA but it was collected poorly or it's contaminated but what I'm saying but it's not just
that though like there there are there are there are hundreds of points of factors involved in this act so right
when these different labs and parabon Nano Labs is not the only company out there doing it but there's there's a
bunch of different factors to consider because there there are a lot of cases where they may have DNA that are not
good candidates for this type of Technology mhm they need and I put it in the the the only way that I understand
it is in Lay terms I'm not going to pretend to know all of the science in and outs of of the whole thing
but what I've been told by both parabon nanu Labs directly from them as well as other articles that I've read on other
companies doing the same type of um investigations and from law enforcement as well is one they need a certain type
of DNA to be able to do this and two they need they need a decent amount of it as
well so if you have a case where there's very little DNA if they're working with
a small amount a small sample size it's not a good candidate not a good fit for this type of investigation
and again they need a certain type of of DNA so not every case ites it doesn't it's not going to work where where we
can just go all every Cold Case that we got on the Shelf we can clear all of our
books we can solve all these unsolved homicides because all we got to do is take this little thing and punch it into
a computer and boop boop boop boop we got our guy let's go to Colorado and arrest
him yeah I'm just saying that this just not going to happen with Ramsey case I mean after watching
this you know report on the the way they collected this evidence and the way that
um the people in power have misrepresented this evidence I mean it's it's shocking well
and and I know that uh you're just repeating what some other people have said but I think to
say that they've officially cleared John or py or both is is can't be a correct uh statement
um well I mean you'd have to look into the case more but there there's actually a report that that the
prosecutor uh lays out I believe it was in 2003 well I don't want to I don't want to get into it too much because I I
know we want to cover that case and um you know we'll we'll need to go through the facts then and there
but regarding some one of the one of the problems with her case in particular was
the way that they collected her fingernails when they clipped her fingernails they used the same clippers
for each fingernail which is technically not the way that they're supposed to do
it they're supposed to use a new set or clean and sterilize the set that they're
using and then collect and c and catalog right each fingernail and what finger it
came from therefore whatever's collected from that the you know that fingernail or those fingernails can be used
properly as evidence if you if they found some kind of DNA under one finger and they use the same
Clippers without sterilizing or or cleaning them or using a new set essentially it either could happen or
you could make an argument for mhm if you you're the defense team that something collected underneath one
fingernail ended up on all of them because it was transferred during the course of you trying to collect
evidence right the The Da the XDA cleared the ramies in 2008 right that guy's an idiot um was it
a guy or a girl it was a she a she oh sorry she's an idiot um so this case though with this uh Linda
O'Keefe and this James Neil being arrested one thing that's interesting about this is that there was talk of
Lindo Keefe's murder being connected possibly being connected to Amy mahalic right and the reason that is is because
one of the suspects and he's you know one of James rener suspects and a suspect in in the eye of
a lot of people in the public he lived in California and he he he lived not too far from where this crime took place
when it took place when Lindo O'Keefe was abducted and killed she's 11 Amy was 10 so there was a lot of a lot of ways
to make a connection between the two cases so now we have this arrest in lindo' Keefe's case and it's interesting
that they're releasing a photo of this guy and it's even more interesting that he was going under a different name at
one point in his life but I wonder if they're going to be able to connect him to other things or if this was just a
oneoff situation um but it looks like they might be trying to build you know they have the
DNA but if if they can if they can't get him to confess they're going to have to
take him to trial and therefore they they may need I don't know that they're going to need more to convict him body
found um to to be honest with you I don't know the details of the Linda O'Keefe case so much
um I believe that she was but I don't I don't want to I don't want to state that
I that I know for certain um but it looks like they're going to need uh if he doesn't confess if or if he
challenges this that it looks like they're trying to get some witnesses and some other people to build a even
stronger case against this guy I don't think they'll have any problem putting him away from the from the little bits
that I have seen um back to the TV stuff though Captain I did watch uh BTK a killer
Among Us it was on Discovery ID channel and it did have some interviews some little little interviews with his
daughter Carrie rosson with uh well she came out with that book yeah Dennis Raiders daughter Carrie rosson yeah that
was good I liked that one I think it was two hours long uh a lot of commercials I
felt um but it was very good and what did you watch it on I just I I recorded it and watched it
later right so um but I I felt like I was fast forwarding a lot during the course of watching it it was very good
and it was uh I had never seen I don't think I'd ever seen uh pictures or video of Ken lwar he was the guy that they
they air quotes here super cop that the FBI pushed for a super cop and he was that guy he was kind of Dennis Raiders
sworn enemy yeah can you imagine if somebody called you in and just run- the- mil cop they call you in got a job
for you what's that we want you to be a super cop super cop time I'll be like okay it's better than robo cop I've been
doing super cop stuff since I got here since I haven't got the pay grade yet right but that was interesting and and I
I've always had a fondness for that investigation and it it's really such an I still think it's such an incredible
interesting story to have it's very interesting and it it's very much similar to Green River where you had or
Golden State killer you know whatever however many monikers he has but to have all these years in the span of the
crimes and the span of the investigation and then finally having an ending in a in a way kind of like True Detective
where right you know it's what 35 years of on again off again investigation before they finally figure out what
actually happened yeah what was your final take away on True Detective by the way for season
3 I I thought it was good I mean there was I don't think there was any as far as the finale goes and like we already
said spoilers on that um there there wasn't a bunch of twist there was and then even like the if you even want to
call it a Twist that's at end it's so set up and softball right in front of your face that if you don't catch it the
first time um I just kind of question your intelligence at all but uh because it
was so blatant you know what I mean you know the clue that they give you at the end right it just so blatant where it's
like I think they could even done that a little bit better maybe just so there was kind of a little um oh aha moment
but um but I thought it was good because there was a lot of loose ends and so there's a lot of questioning uh time
gaps you know what what happened in 80 what happened in 90 what happened in here and I I like the fact that they
they tied all the those up right so you're not like walking away going you know what happened again you know what I
mean I think they tied it up really well well I thought the story was phenomenal
I mean from from from start to finish season 3 I really liked the writing I lik the actual story I like the mystery
the actors were unbelievable the actors actresses Fant fantastic job from top to
bottom I can't think of a of a bad um you know a bad role or a bad um no uh cast member and what was interesting too
was um that the son took a took a note that he was going to throw away and he put it in his pocket and I started
thinking you know what it' be kind of cool this guy didn't play a major part and he's definitely not a major actor
he's not like a guy if we if I looked him up and told you who played the son of the
detective his name wouldn't ring a bell but he did a good job and I started thinking what if they wrote a story with
him in it and you know what he he's got the he's got the build in the look of somebody to me that is is made for being
a a cop on TV right you know what I mean like he he's a a strong young man well he might be my age I don't know how old
he is but but he's a he's a strong intelligent dude and he portrays himself as such and I mean he's got kind of like
a like a very athletic football player almost kind of body right uh looks like the the only thing though
is there there there could have been a scene where he takes somebody down I kept waiting for him to be like in some
kind of Confrontation and take some down well um you know what they say uh time is a circle or whatever remember that
from season one yeah uh when they pull the guy down and then and then Matthew MCC Hay's character Russ goes what is
that [ __ ] nii um really what's interesting about that is the way all these the way it's all written
like the bread and butter of this True Detective is time is going back and forth in time right that's kind of like
what makes it so fascinating in this case we they went back in time in into three
spots um but what I thought was interesting was the ending the scene is almost like you know maybe not I I'm trying not
give so anyways okay here's how I can explain it the the whole show when it starts off
is a brother and a sister riding their bike down the street and then bad stuff happens right
mhm and the show ends with a brother and sister riding their bike down the street
and to me that was like you know back to the season one time is a circle and maybe not the not the brother and sister
that rode by them uh maybe nothing bad happened to them but somewhere in a town somewhere
in the world that cycle of story is repeating itself and maybe some of the details are
changed and some of the players are changed but and they kind of allude to that in the ending is that this stuff
just keeps happening that it will just keep happening and it's just and then the players are going to different I
don't know I just thought it was kind of interesting um I thought it was kind of
a deeper thing that he was trying to portray throughout this the story I thought it was as good as season one
that's that's my opinion I think it was as good as season one so yeah I think I think a couple things that they're
missing is season one had one episode that was maybe the best action film suspense action film
or best hour of action suspense that was on TV ever yeah in season one and or maybe two
I mean season one was I thought much more action-packed than season 3 yeah I just think there could have been maybe
like you know that especially like that shootout episode season 3 like they could have really turned that into a
whole episode a little more suspenseful too or maybe half of an episode yeah but
it's like this the in season one when Matthew MCC is you know goes into the projects with the this like biker gang
it's like that is a intense episode I mean and I'm not a huge action fan guy but it's like but that it was
so so intense I mean some of the best is just great one of my buddies is dieh hard action guy like film guy and he
ever since we were little kids up to this day and he does not like True Crime he doesn't really get into mystery shows
or movies and he did watch season one um and he loved it absolutely loved it he couldn't I was surprised he was
calling me to talk about it to be honest with you but his his stamp that he put on on season one was that part you're
talking about where they go to the projects he's like my God man that like 30 minutes 40 45 minutes is some of the
best action I've ever seen yeah ever seen just so much suspense there so no I thought it was good I mean I I like
great I'm sad it's over yeah yeah a good ending though I'm glad you know I like the way that it
ended yeah I I like like I said I mean just the fact that they tied up the Loose Ends I mean there's nothing worse
than when they you know even like with like a show like sharp objects which is supposed to have a Twist but even when
they kind of give you the ending and then they definitely give you the ending they're still like loose
knots and you're like you know right they could have cleaned it up a little bit yeah yeah yeah um another thing I
watched and this is not true crime related but I thought I have to say to someone and Captain you end up getting
to be that person yeah uh watch won't you be my neighbor the Fred Rogers documentary on HBO MH my God man that is
really good remember how you're telling me about how the Weezer video Weezer covered the song um Africa by Toto yeah
and you were telling me about how funny you thought it was with uh Weird Al Yankovic yeah playing he's supposed to
be he's acting like River Cuomo in the in the video right yeah I think it's I think it's a new
video the problem is sometimes I'll say something's new it's new to you you know
but then I find out it's three years old dud I did that the other I was telling you to watch something I was like have
you seen the music video for blah blah blah it's so good I was like I and I had seen it for the first time I think it
was a mumford's and Sons video or somebody I can't remember who but I had saw it for the first time like a week
before and I was talking to there's this bar that that plays music videos and and and I I love the idea cuz
I can just sit there and stare at that stuff all day and I was like why have I not seen this before and the bartender
who was much younger and much more hip than me said yeah this video is amazing and I just saw it I I think I just saw
it two days ago so I assumed that it was new and I was telling you about it at a
party I'm like you got to check out this new music video find out on on YouTube that it's like like you said it was like
three four five five years old maybe yeah So Weezer has a tune where they're doing the whole Mr Roger thing I haven't
seen that yeah which since you're talking about Mr Roger they're doing the the uh the song the intro song to the
Rogers I think it's a cover of something else okay but you know he goes in and puts on the card again and changes the
shoes and does that whole thing I watch for a minute and I I really liked Weezer when they
first came out mhm first few albums but like I don't know kind of lost their Edge for me like they're still good but
it's just like I also taught guitar lessons so it was a lot of like can you teach me Beverly Hills right you know
it's like know so I don't know I went to a concert of theirs let's say 10 years ago might be a that's
a guess but never as many concerts as I've gone to I've never seen such a spectrum
of of Ages I mean it was everything from from kids that were probably eight to men and women in their 50s right and it
was all like the kid the boy or girl that was eight was like the same level of fan as the man or woman that was 50
you know what I mean like uh I had never seen that wide a range of uh of of age of an age group at a concert before well
I think it's a tough thing too cuz when you when a band comes out you want them to stay similar to their Roots but at
the same time grow right they played in the garage though when I saw them which was which was cool for me
um cuz I I remember when we were kids we liked that that song I used to um they were on a short list of mine for I had a
Walkman and we you know you and I both had uh newspaper routes mhm and I would ride my bike throw the papers and listen
to my Walkman and I their first album was a cassette for me was a cassette their first album was a cassette they
only released it on cassette it was it was a you know was a thing but um no that that was one of one for me that was
was in my newspaper route The Blue Album yeah yeah but I didn't know what color it was cuz it was the cassette was the
same color as all the other cassettes it was not a blue cassette no maybe they did at some point make it a blue
cassette I wonder if they ever did in the garage was a great song in the garage I feel safe yeah no one cares
about my ways in but yeah I I highly if if anybody out there is looking for something that's
not too heavy to watch uh but will put you in a good mood and maybe inspire you to be good and be kind and don't Litter
watch that uh won't you be my neighbor Fred Rogers uh uh show I haven't watched it yet I'm afraid I'll cry you might did
he have tattoos not that I'm aware of that is something that came up in the documentary though tattoos well no
there's a um so he went through a period where where people that didn't know him or
didn't really understand him kind of would would badmouth him or throw weird questions about him just out into the
ether right and one of the rumors was like they had all these rumors about you know why is he who is he all that one of
the rumors was that he was some kind of Black Ops Navy SEAL guy who who you know
at one point had worked for the government in his younger years another rumor was that he was covered in tattoos
on the on the portions of his body that you can't see on TV um you know one rumor was that he was
homosexual right you know they had all these rumors about him and um you got to watch the documentary it's it's
fantastic yeah that would be tough though too because sometimes like what what you assume I
haven't seen the documentary but what you assume is here's a guy that fell into a job thought thought it was a good
thing but also had to deal with the backlash of whatever people think oh he's a homosexual or or this guy maybe
likes kids too much mhm but you know I mean well yeah yeah I mean people called that into question I think um I think
the documentary does his legacy a good deal of justice and it it also it also pointed out to me that he
was actually more important of a person than I had had thought going into watching it well and I mean you're the
only person that I know that that has been through the same experience as I have I mean it's been somewhat different
but you know we go from guys that just you know wake up and we drive to our jobs and work our jobs and come home and
and now we're not famous in the sense of like we don't like go on tour or but like you know I'll be at a
bar and somebody be like hey are you the captain I always go no I'm Nick that's no I'm Nick well which one's your
favorite that's what I start with which one's your favorite oh I like the captain Oh well I'm the captain
if they say that they hate the captain I'm like oh what I go in the bathroom and shave my
beard real quick but no but it's strange though too because you know just the stuff that you
can read about yourself online that is most of the time not true mhm but you know I have friends that sometimes send
me stuff and some of the stuff that they were sending me this week were was pretty ridiculous I'm like I'm learning
a a lot about myself and I'm learning some very bad things right um that obviously aren't true but are they're
not no well you know I was hoping for some cool stuff you know like but it was all this stuff about that I had I have
um uh drug addictions and in and out of rehab and and that I um was battling alcoholism which look battling
alcoholism is that's a serious thing mhm and if I was battling alcoholism do you
think I would feature a beer on a show that I help produce it doesn't make a lot of sense so it's just kind of
strange um so I guess I can relate to Mr Rogers in a way of you you you wake up try your best you put it your intentions
are good you know our intentions our intentions are to entertain people and talk True Crime and sometimes there's
backlashes to that for no reason oh yeah yeah but I mean I don't know people can find better
ways to spend their time or maybe they can't that's that's the thing maybe it is that they can't we've just given you
plenty of shows and things to watch right we've just get we've just discussed a whole bunch of things worth
watching and some things that are not worth watching yes yes that is true one thing that is worth doing that we've not
been very good about is is reminding everybody about crime con this year crime con
2019 in your face who says we're not good about it I what do you mean you just said one thing we're not good at I
don't think we're good we're good at reminding people about crime con so uh I just wanted to make sure that I threw
that out there that we'll be there we will be there and if New Orleans want to save 10% on your crime Con tickets our
code is TCG 19 this the cg19 I know what it is this is the bonus show we're covering all angles we're not
supposed to have ads these are the only people that are going to show up the people that listen to off the record
will be at crime con hey just to let you know if you come up and tell me that you
listen to off the record I'm buying you a drink these are the people that show up to stuff when we do stuff is the off
the Record people the stuff when we do stuff that's why I'm making the announce here because the the if we announc it on
the other show it just fall on deaf ears yeah cuz they don't people that listen to that show they don't give a [ __ ] no
they don't [Music] [Applause] but

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Brief Summary

Hosts critique the documentary "Abducted in Plain Sight" and discuss true crime storytelling and emotional responses to various films and shows.

Key points

Paddleton's Emotional Impact. The movie 'Paddleton' is described as emotionally intense, with a promise of tears.
Critique of 'Abducted in Plain Sight'. The documentary is criticized for its poor execution and perceived lack of authenticity.
Cold Case Arrest After Decades. James Allen Neil, arrested for the 1973 murder of Linda O'Keefe, highlights DNA advancements.
DNA Technology's Impact on Cases. New DNA technology is solving cold cases, but challenges remain with contaminated samples.
Weezer's Concert Experience. A diverse audience at a Weezer concert showcases the band's wide appeal across generations.
Mr. Rogers Documentary. The documentary about Mr. Rogers reveals surprising rumors and his true legacy.

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It's pretty bad that you have to relax when you get a cold.

Discussing the irony of needing to rest when sick.

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