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[Music] You want to go back to where your brother was found? Boy, >> yes. >> I want to go to the beach because that
is where it happened. If only the rocks could talk. It's my understanding that your brother was actually found in
the underbrush over here. >> Dale Pike was found on a beach Miami naked face down dead shot twice in the
back of the head. My name is Joe Takpina. I'm a lawyer, former prosecutor, criminal defense
attorney who's one of the lawyers for Enrico Fort, an innocent man who's been wrongly convicted and has spent the last
20 years in jail. >> Mr. Fort? >> Yes. >> Did you have anything to do with Dale Pike's death?
>> Absolutely nothing. >> Did you ever in your wildest dreams ever think you'd end up in a place like this?
>> Never. Never. Enrico Forte. His nickname is Kiko. He was a worldclass wind surfer from Italy.
He was a father. He was a husband. >> There's no forensic evidence linking Pico to this crime. None whatsoever.
People have made comparisons to this case in Amanda Knox. You don't decide this person is guilty and then look for
evidence to back it up. >> Is that what you think happened to Enrico Fort? There's no doubt without
question. >> The victim in this case is Dale Pike, the son of Tony Pike, >> who owns a famous hotel in Aiza, Spain.
It's a place where parters go, where people go to do wild things, Spain's version of Las Vegas.
>> She knew you were in this special place. So that attracted all different sorts of
people, you know, whether it be Frank Zapper, Julio, Glazia, Wham, George Michael, and
of course Freddy Mercury. [Music] >> Did you know that your father was seriously entering into negotiations to
sell the hotel to Enrico Fort? >> Yes. It just didn't feel right. Dale wanted to go and see this guy face to
face. Dale Pike was going to Miami and Enrico Fory was the one that was supposed to pick him up.
>> All I knew that my brother was going over there for the deal. So, it's really
like it was the deal that created the death. >> As you're sitting here right now, do you
think Enrico Fort either helped kill or actually killed Dale Pike? >> No, I do not.
>> But you were one of the 12 jurors who convicted him. >> Yes, I know. Heat. [Music]
Hey. Hey. Hey. [Music] [Music] The 1998 murder of Dale Pike has always been and is to this day a true murder
mystery. >> Always questions. Always questions. >> Brad Pike is Dale's younger brother.
>> I also don't think I'll ever know the truth. What is known is that someone shot Dale
Pike twice in the back of the head with a 22 and left his body on a quiet stretch of beach on Virginia Key minutes
from Kiscane. Sean Crowley, a former captain with the NYPD, is now a private investigator.
>> You know, Virginia Key is a common place for wind surface. On February 16th, 1998, a beachgoer
found Dale's body. >> He sees indentation in the sand from the water line into the vegetation. But in
that indentation, he sees blood stains all along. >> So all the way from here, like from the
edge of the water all the way to vegetation. >> Correct. >> He's found completely naked.
>> Uh completely naked. Yes. His shirt was a little off to the side, but bloodied.
And then some key pieces of evidence were under his body or right next to his body.
>> Crowley, who works for Joe Takapina and Rico 40's current lawyer, believes the
killer or killers staged the crime scene with obvious clues so the body would be
quickly identified. A boarding pass with Dale's name on it. a pendant from Pikes
Hotel in Atha, Spain, and a phone calling card with only one number dialed. That number belonged to 40,
better known as Kiko, an Italian television producer living in Miami. >> As if to say to the police, just in case
you don't know who committed this murder, it's the guy who picked him up at the airport cuz he has the boarding
pass and check the calling card cuz Kiko Port's numbers on it three times. Here you go, please.
I was wondering like how close were you to Dale? >> We were close, but I guess we were also quite
different. I love very much the outdoors. Dale wasn't really interested in that. So, he was interested more in
the clubbing, that sort of thing. >> Charming man. >> Yeah. Yeah, very much so. Brad was home in Australia when he got
the news about Dale from a Miami detective >> and she said, "Look, I'm sorry to inform
you that your brother's been found murdered." I told them the whole story about what was happening.
>> What was happening was that Brad and Dale's father, Anthony Tony Pike, had signed papers to sell his world famous
Pikees Hotel to Enrico 40. We had our suspicions about it. Dale wanted to just lay it out in line and say, "Look, I
understand you want to do the deal. So, what's the game? What are you playing up
with now?" The brothers believed the hotel was worth a lot more money than the sales price of approximately $1.6
million. In the 1980s, the hotel had become a destination resort after George Michael
and Wham chose it as a setting for the iconic video Club Tropicana. [Music] >> Tony Pike had a cameo role and he played
it to the hilt. That video and Tony's sex craze persona made Pikes a hedenist hideaway and a haven for celebrities.
He was a very very adventurous and very tenacious man. Incredibly charismatic, uh, good-looking, very charming, cheeky.
Tony had asked Dale to help run Pikes after Tony became very sick in January 1997.
>> They did test and immediately diagnosed him with AIDS and said he has full-on
AIDS and AIDS dementia. But thanks to medication, in November 1997, Tony was clear-minded enough to travel
to Williams Island, an exclusive enclave outside Miami. He was visiting an old friend, Thomas Kat, a German expat who
had a taste for the good life. >> His idea of living was to drink champagne instead of water. Chaveet
Mesmer managed a shop on Williams Island and knew Canot well. >> Everything had to be the best. His shoes
had to be Gucci. His everything had to be the best. >> While visiting Canot, Tony Pike met
Kannot's upstairs neighbor, Enrico 40, and they hit it off. >> Very successful, [Music]
>> incredible person. He had contracts going with ESPN, >> world champion since 1982.
>> In Italy, he had won a popular quiz show [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause]
>> and later produced extreme sports videos. >> He was a mover and a shaker. Buying up
properties right around in Williams Island seemed to be the perfect life, if you will.
Hi. >> Hi. My name is your mommy. >> For's wife, Heather, was pregnant. >> And the couple had two young daughters.
[Music] >> Oh my god. The most loving father. [Music] >> And the way he felt about the baby
coming. He was on cloud nine. >> He loved Heather. >> Oh, with all his heart and soul.
[Music] Then in late 1997, Tony Pike told 40 he wanted to sell his legendary hotel.
And a few months later, the hotel deal came together. Tony signed papers to sell it to 40. And that's when Tony's
sons got upset. They felt 40 had taken advantage of Tony. The nature of the AIDS dementia as far as I know is that
he goes in and out of lucidity. I guess Dale and I were just suspicious that because he wasn't mentally together that
any deal that he was doing anyway needed to be checked and looked at. >> Brad says Dale then flew to Miami to
deal with 40 in person. [Music] Enrio 40, once a sports champion who traveled all over the world, today is
restricted to a prison cell. But he says only his body is behind bars. >> I still travel a lot. In my mind, that's
my way to survive in here. >> He's constantly turning over the events that landed him here. Back in 1998,
you >> 40 was excited about becoming the owner of the legendary Pikes Hotel in Aitha,
Spain. Salesp papers had been signed, but Dale and his brother Brad still had questions.
>> My brother sort of said, "Look, one of us needs to go and and have a look at the deal and just find out what's
happening with this." [Music] >> 40 went to pick Dale up at the Miami airport on Sunday afternoon, February
15th, 1998. [Music] But Dale's flight was late. >> I almost left. I wait for him almost two
hours and uh when I didn't find him, I start paging him. >> These records show 40 and Dale's
attempts to locate each other using the airport intercom. >> They start playing this game of
telephone tag via the airport intercom system for about an hour and a half. Joe Takapina and Dina Neshwat, 40's
lawyers, say 40 was nervous about the time because he had promised Heather he would pick up her father that night at
the Fort Lauderdale airport about 45 minutes north. >> And she said to him, "Don't be late to
pick up my father." >> 40 says that when he and Dale finally did connect, Dale had a request.
>> As soon as he arrived, he asked me for some cigarette. I don't smoke. I didn't
have cigarettes. So, we stop at the first gas station that I could find for him to buy some cigarettes.
>> Dale Pike went in there, goes into uh the phone booth and makes a call. >> And then Dalek said, "Could you drop me
off at first?" He said, "Keba's Kane." And Kiko said, "No, I can't. I can't go that far. You know, I have to go pick up
my father-in-law." So, he said, "No, no, no, not Kais. Just take me to the Rusty
Pelican restaurant." And Kiko said, "Okay." >> 40 says they never talked about the
hotel deal. Instead, 40 says Dale told him he was going to a party with quote friends of Thomas Canot.
Sound like something your brother would do. It's not out of the possibility if he'd
been promised a good party. At the restaurant, 40 says Dale got out of the car and into a white Lexus in the
parking lot. He says he didn't recognize the driver. The guy inside the car that was waiting
for him was an elegant person with a white shirt and gold chain, gold watch. After dropping off Dale, 40 made a cell
phone call to his wife Heather at exactly 7:16 p.m. 40 knew she'd be upset that he had been wasting time with Dale.
So 40 lied. >> And I told I didn't pick him up. I didn't want to have an argument with
her. I was extremely late. >> 40 picked up Heather's father at the Fort Lauderdale airport and says he
didn't give Dale another thought. >> And the moment that I left him, it was out of my mind. It's not that I was
thinking, "Oh, what's going to happen to him?" No. And never for a second came to my mind that something bad or
terrible could happen. Dale's body was found nearly 24 hours later on Monday evening on that wind
surfing beach on Virginia Key about 2 miles from the Rusty Pelican. 40 says he heard the news about Dale's
murder on Wednesday and that Tony was flying to Miami. >> I was confused and I was uh I was I was
still under shock. I spent all night trying to locate where Tony Pike was. Nobody knew where he was.
>> And that's because the Miami police had spirited him away. They wanted to know
more about Dale's trip and that hotel deal. >> They certainly were convinced that the
deal with the hotel and the purchase of the hotel was, let's say, the impetus for the killing. 40 says he knew none of
this when he reached out to the police on Thursday. >> I thought it was the right thing to do.
>> Unwittingly, 40 was walking into the lion's den and police were ready to pounce. Suspicious of 40 and the hotel
deal. Detectives tried to trick him, suggesting that Tony might also be dead. >> The police lied intentionally to Kiko.
And what Kiko thought was, "Oh my god, I was in Miami. I picked up Dale Pike. He's dead. These guys think I killed
both of them." And he panicked. >> 40 then made what he says was the biggest mistake of his life. He repeated
the lie he had told his wife. He told cops he had not picked up Dale at the airport.
But if you were going to try to help the police, why didn't you tell them? You had picked Dale Pike up.
>> Because when I arrived there at that moment, I realized it was a suspect. Of course, I was I was confused. And I do
believe there is no logic on the way that I behaved that night. >> 40 returned to the police station the
next day and says he had made up his mind to tell the truth. When did you tell them you had in fact picked up Dale
Pike? >> As soon I had the opportunity. I don't remember exactly the timing, but
detectives say 40 only admitted picking up Dale after they confronted him with those airport paging records, proving
that he and Dale had made contact. >> That's a lie. They are lies from these policemen. They're way bigger than the
lie than I did. 40 insists he came clean about everything, telling cops all he knew about the Pike family. And 40
pointed investigators to that longtime friend of Anthony Pike, Thomas Canot. >> And Thomas Canot was stealing money left
and right from Anthony Pike. >> The police went to find Canot, but by them Thomas Cannot had vanished.
[Music] The man was just the happiest person I ever met. >> Shave Me Mesmer knew Enrico 40 even
before Thomas Kennot arrived on the scene. He was one of the kindest, nicest, most appealing people on the
island. >> But his downstairs neighbor, Thomas Kenat, she said, well, he was a different story.
>> When did you start to realize this is a con man right after I married him? >> It turned out Thomas Canot moved to
Williams Island straight out of a German prison. Kenat was convicted of 14 counts
of fraud, stealing millions. But when he turned up on Williams Island, the high-flying Canot told
everyone he was a tennis pro. So this guy who told you he was a tennis player and was making money from playing
tennis. >> He wore a lot of tennis clothes. >> He just wore a lot of tennis clothes.
Shave says Kannat was charming and she eventually married him to help him get a green card. But the sham nuts were
quickly enolled when she said she saw his fits of anger. >> Thomas had a really bad temper.
>> She wasn't surprised that Canot vanished when Dale Pike's body was found. >> I thought they got him for the murder.
>> With 100% certainty, there was not any motive for Kiko Forte to want Dale Pike
dead. Zero. There was plenty of motive for Thomas Kennot. >> Turns out for months Thomas Kennot had
been illegally running up exorbitant charges on Tony Pike's credit cards and Dale Pike knew it. 40 and Takapina
believed that was a motive for murder. Cops caught up with Kat days later in downtown Miami, but Kannot told police
40 had his own motive. that Dale's concerns about the hotel sale could ruin 40's deal.
>> Kant made a very compelling case that Kiko must have killed him. Kiko was trying to swindle him from the hotel.
>> Police had enough to charge both men with fraud. Canot for running up $90,000
on Tony Pike's credit cards, 40 for allegedly trying to swindle Tony out of his hotel.
But for the Miami police, 40 was still the prime murder suspect. >> The police have determined early on that
it was Kiko. That it was Kiko. It was Kiko. >> After all, 40 was the last known person
to see Dale Pike alive. And he had lied about it to the police. And Kannot had something 40 did not. An alibi.
He was hosting a dinner that night >> at a dinner party in his little apartment because he had a lot of people
in there at this particular time to give him enough witness for an alibi. >> But Takapino says if that alibi clears
Thomas Kat, then the timeline should clear 40, there isn't enough time for 40 to pick up Dale, murder him, and then
meet his father-in-law in 90 minutes. Prosecutors agreed that he might not be the trigger man.
>> They don't accuse Kiko of being the gunman, the triggerman, the shooter. They don't accuse him of that. They said
he was acting accomplice with someone else. With who? They have no idea, but with someone else.
>> Even if 40 wasn't the trigger man, prosecutors decided they could prove he had a role in Dale's murder.
Prosecutors cut a deal with Canot to testify against 40. even though the convicted con man had failed three
polygraph tests. And in October of 1999, they announced they had critical physical evidence
linking 40 to the crime scene. What's the crucial evidence against 40? Grains of sand. Less than a teaspoon.
Prosecutors say they recovered that much from Ford's car and that it matches the
sand here on this beach where Dale Pike's body was found. >> Now, let's focus on the evidence of the
sand. The first two times they searched that vehicle, they came back with an insufficient amount of sand for the
forensic technician to determine where that sand would have come from. The third time they recovered some sand
in the trailer hitch. They removed the trailer hitch. This wouldn't be allowed in a traffic
court, let alone a a murder trial. This wouldn't be allowed in a food court. >> But it was.
And at 40's murder trial in 2000, prosecutors poured over blowups of microscopic images of sand particles
with their experts saying the grains definitely came from Virginia Key. And he lives in that area and he's got
kids and he's a wind surfer. Why wouldn't he have this stand on his vehicle? >> Veronica Lee had just turned 20 when she
was picked for the jury. She had her doubts. >> Were you troubled at all about the fact
that there was no DNA that connected the defendant? >> No fingerprints, >> right?
>> But the state pathologist did provide damning testimony based on undigested food that Dale Pike
likely ate on the airplane. The pathologist said the time of death was consistent with some time between 6:00
p.m. and 7:16 p.m. when Dale Pike was with 40 and when Kennot was home at his dinner party.
How big a mistake was it for the defense not to call their own pathologist? >> It was an enormous mistake by the
defense not to call their own pathologist. >> 48 hours asked pathologist Dr. Gregory
Davis from the University of Kentucky to review the Miami Pathologist report. >> I'm shocked that this got entered into
evidence. >> Is there like one word that sums up this affidavit? How would you sum it up?
>> Irresponsible. >> Dr. Davis says pathologists have known for decades that people simply digest
food at different rates. >> Can you pinpoint the time of death to a minute the way
this is? 716 as opposed to 717? >> Absolutely not. >> In fact, Dr. Davis believes the lack of
animal or bug bites on the body and the state of decomposition indicates that Dale Pike could have died
later, even the following day when 40 would have an alibi of his own. Prosecutors stuck to their timeline.
They highlighted that 7:16 p.m. phone call 40 made to his wife when he was supposedly heading north to pick up her
father. A cell phone tower instead places 40 going in the opposite direction. And prosecutors without any
proof speculated that 40 was on his way to get rid of evidence. The defense countered that there were
too many variables, including the weather, to determine why one tower picked up a call and not another.
And they tried to offer Canot as a better suspect. >> Did you want to know more about Thomas
Canot? >> Yes, I did. Every time they tried to bring him up, oh, he's not the one
that's on trial here. Prosecutors ultimately decided against calling the convicted con man. And on June 15th,
2000, the case went to the jury. >> I tried to voice my opinion and tell them, "Look, there is no smoking gun.
How can you put this man away, you know, for for life?" There was a point where I
locked myself in the bathroom and started crying. They wouldn't nobody would listen to me. They said, "I don't
know what I'm talking about. I'm just a little girl, you know, and and it was really hard."
>> Veronica felt forced to vote guilty. >> He looked right at me and I mean, I couldn't even look at him in the eyes. I
felt like I let him down so much, but I tried so hard. >> Some jurors did not like the fact that
40 initially lied. >> That's the only thing they have against me. My they lie to my wife and the life
and they lie to the police. Nothing else. >> And that was a mistake. >> That was a mistake. Of course, it was a
mistake. But it's a mistake. They need to be punished with a life sentence. >> 40 was sentenced to life without parole.
>> I felt like he was done wrong. I I don't think it was a fair trial. So if Enrio 40 did not kill Dale Pike,
was it Thomas Canat? We went to find him. [Music] The only truth that I know for sure is
that Kiko would definitely not kill a person. Like all of Kiko Ford's friends, Francesco Guided, who attended the
trial, will never accept 40's guilty verdict. >> The trial was tragic. >> And what's more, lawyer Joe Takapina
says the police bodgeged a key aspect of 40's story that might have revealed another suspect.
40 told authorities that after he picked up Dale, they stopped at a gas station where Dale used a pay phone.
>> They went and pulled the phone records from that telephone booth and they came
back saying, "Yeah, he lied. There's absolutely no record of a call that was made from that phone booth on that day
at that time." >> And what was wrong with that? >> The problem was they subpoenaed the
wrong year. By the time the police subpoenaed the correct year, the records were no longer
available. >> So, because of police incompetence, we will never know who was on the other end
of that phone call. It's mindblowing to me that he was convicted. >> 40's friends and family agree and have
kept a drum beat over the years, insisting he's innocent. In 2013, 40's case came to the attention
of Italian journalist Manuela Moreno. >> I was in US and I looking for a big story. I start to study Kiko 40 story
and I said this is my story. >> Manuela visited 40 and he told her he was desperate for legal help. At his
suggestion, Manuela contacted Joe Takapina. >> She said, "You have to take this case."
She asked me to meet with the family. [Music] >> Few Americans have ever heard the name
Enrio Forti, but 5,000 miles away from his Miami prison cell, it's a very different story. Here in Trento, Italy,
he's the hometown hero. [Music] We met some of 40's closest friends, including Louisa Mangastropa, 40's first
wife, who remembered the days she and Kiko would ski and snowboard. Where are we exactly?
>> It's the place where we used to come with Kiko. >> You said he always had to be moving.
>> Yeah. Skis, snowboard, jumping with the skis, everything. everything with the
snow. >> Have you stayed in touch with his family? Kiko's family. >> Oh, yes. They love me.
>> And the mother loves me. >> She's 91 years old and she's still a young chicken.
She's uh my rock. >> You talk to her? >> Yeah. Yeah, I talk to her. She's great.
>> She speak English? >> Uh, no. >> She doesn't know how to bring it in. >> She's very smart. Italian communicate
with their hands. So she will be able to communicate with you. She will give you
a big and a kiss. >> We also visited 40's uncle Giani who is the keeper of all things Kiko.
Italian magazines compare 40 to Amanda Knox. >> How often do you think about Kiko?
>> It's not that I think of him. I have nightmares. I have spent 20 years looking at all the
evidence to see if there was any basis. It's my life. >> After 20 years, we must say and prove
that Kikoforte is not guilty, and he never was. Giani's relentless campaign to keep his
nephew's case in the public eye paid off when a witness came forward with an intriguing story after seeing a
television program about 40's case. >> I met Thomas Kat by chance on a yacht in Monte Carlo.
>> We found Fabriio Penduli in the small town of Luca. He's restricted to his hometown because of his own financial
crimes. When he told his story publicly for the first time, he said that in 2011, he met Thomas Kannade at a party
in Monte Carlo on a yacht called the Goldfinger. >> The true reason why I'm here is what I
was able to hear and understand. that there is a person who is in prison who is innocent.
I heard Thomas cannot brag of things that he had done, serious things, grave things,
and he managed to get away with it and others paid for him. He also used to mine the use of a
revolver, of a gun like this. He used to say, "I did things that I didn't pay for."
>> Pandi says Kannot never said he was the trigger man, nor did he use the names
Dale Pike or Enrico 40. But Kannot did refer to his friend Anthony who had a hotel in Aitha. Eventually, Pandalfi
provided this information to an Italian investigator and she gave it to Joe Takapina.
And what is your hope by giving her this information? By giving Kikofor's attorney this kind of information.
What's your hope? >> That the investigation would be reopened so that one could show that Kiko Forte
most likely maybe for sure had nothing to do at all with the murder. >> Canad has always insisted he had nothing
to do with Dale's murder. And after he served three years in Florida prisons for stealing $90,000 from Tony Pike, he
was deported to Germany. >> They let him walk out the door and let him take a plane and go to Germany and
live the rest of his life. >> We wanted to ask Thomas Canad about Pandalfi's story. So, we left Italy and
headed north on the Autobond. The trail then led us here to Munich, Germany. This is where Thomas Kennot
says he now lives. He even gave us his phone number. But when it came to sitting down with him for an on camera
interview or just meeting with him, you could see for yourself what happened. >> Can we just meet with you? I mean, all
I'll do is no camera and just meet with you for coffee. >> We told Canad about the story Fabriio
Pandalfi told us. Have you ever been on a a yacht called the Goldfinger? >> So you have been.
>> He confirmed that much. >> And so we have somebody who has come forward who said that he heard you
actually say that you had been involved in a murder. We you say he's a crook, but but to be honest, Mr. Canot, you
have quite the criminal history as well. >> Canot said Pandalfi had no credibility.
One con man pointing the finger at another. >> All right. Thank you, sir. >> He's not going to meet with us. Um, he
got very, very agitated. He does not say Enrico Fori is the killer. He just says,
"You want to know who killed Dale Pike? Ask Enrio Fory." Back in the United States, we decided to
fly Brad Pike, the brother of murder victim Dale Pike, in from Australia. He brought along family files where we
found something written by the homicide commander that was extraordinary. >> That's the first I'm hearing of that,
Erin. My reaction is to want to pound this table right now and say, "Are you kidding me? That's that's disgusting.
[Music] It's been 21 years since Brad Pike's brother, Dale, was murdered on this
Miami beach, and Brad is here from Australia to finally see what it looks like for himself.
>> Does coming here in some way just raise more questions in your head rather than answering them? It does, but then
it also answers a lot of questions because now I know what the scenario looks like.
I could think of a lot worse places to die. In Miami, Brad had a private meeting
with the prosecutor who tried the murder case against Enrico 40, stopped by the Rusty Pelican, and visited Williams
Island where his father Tony spent time with 40 and Thomas Canot. >> It remains now no longer an imagination,
but a reality. >> Brad brought with him a stack of papers he had collected about the case,
including this email. This is a email that was sent to Tony Pike after the trial.
>> In the lengthy email sent to Brad's father after the trial, Lieutenant John Campbell, the homicide squad's
commander, writes, "The prosecutors were very uncertain about proceeding, and we
almost had to threaten them to get 40 charged. >> I get a little scared. I get a little
scared that that's how the system of justice works down there." Lieutenant Campbell also wrote, "I was really
nervous that the jury would find him not guilty because we just didn't have a lot
of proof. Thankfully, they recognized that truth when they saw it. We showed that email to 40
>> from the beginning. They they wanted to crucify me and uh they were just waiting
to see how they could do it. And that fact that you have in your hand, it's just uh in other evidence.
>> Is that hard to read?" Yes, Arj. I wish I knew about these things uh when I could still fight on a legal way.
>> Your lawyer has us now. >> I hope he can do something about that. Campbell, now retired, admits he had a
contentious relationship with an administrator in the prosecutor's office, but that he and other detectives
all believed 40 was guilty and that they quote had sufficient weight of evidence
to meet our legal burden. Prosecutors refused our request for an interview, but wrote that they stand behind 40's
conviction. >> There's so many doors closed. Getting a sit down with the prosecutors is
impossible. We've asked, they said, "No thanks. We're not interested." We need somebody to listen.
>> Enrio 40 hopes that someone will come forward with new evidence like the identity of the man who 40 says picked
up Dale Pike at the Rusty Pelican. We arranged this sketch to be made based on 40's description.
>> That's very accurate. The only thing is missing is a a gold chain, but otherwise
it's a very accurate drawing of the person. And >> how do you just keep going every day?
>> I'm looking forward. You know, I do that for my kids. I do that for my friends. I
do that for my family. >> 40's wife, Heather, was 25 years old and pregnant when he was first arrested. And
his only son was born while 40 was out on bail. The couple also had two older daughters. When you were convicted, you
said something to your wife. What did you tell Heather? >> I I told her and it was time for her to
to get their own life because it would have been a long battle. >> Eventually, Heather moved back to her
native Hawaii with their three children. After divorcing 40, she married an old friend and raised a blended family. 40's
daughter, Jenna, once appeared on the CBS program Hawaii 5. >> I'm adding him to my to-do list.
>> And 40's son, barely 2 years old when his father was convicted, asked his mother for a special present for his
16th birthday to visit his father in prison. >> Do you think someday you'll have the
life you had back? >> I do believe so. I don't want to use the word hope. I believe in that.
I'm very positive my mind's still pretty much free. >> Remember, prosecutors conceded at trial
that 40 may not have been the trigger man. No one else was ever arrested in connection with Dale's murder, which
means the shooter is likely at large. Tony Pike died in February 2019. As for Brad Pike, He believes 40 has
spent enough time in prison. >> What do you want to say to Enrio Fort? >> I forgive him.
>> It's just a terrible, terrible, terrible situation. Whether he killed Dale or
not, it is a >> Had they met, Brad says he would have told 40 that he supports the calls to
free him. And I don't think anyone will really know what the absolute truth is. There's only two people that know and
one of them is dead and the other one pulled the trigger. It's those unsolved mysteries that we have to learn to live
with. [Music] [Music] [Music] You can't look at the water and at the sea without remembering what happened to
George. It's got too many bad memories for me now. Oh, I miss him. Miss him every day. I
miss his voice. I miss his phone calls. He called me all the time. I just miss him as a son.
>> Pretty much every night I go to bed, I see his face. >> No parent should have to lose their son
that way. Gentlemen, this is Captain Michael. May I have your attention, please? A person
may have gone overboard last night. I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that my son was murdered on that cruise
ship. There's so much evidence. It's overwhelming. >> It's just been a complete and awful
nightmare for my family and we still do not have justice for George. >> The first suspect is the surviving
spouse. >> She said she couldn't remember anything. eyebrows started to go up about what
exactly did Jennifer know. >> But the FBI soon turned its attention from George Smith's widow to a group of
young men, the last people to see George alive. >> There were sounds of a a fight, a
struggle inside my brother's room. >> I heard some males arguing on the balcony.
[Music] What we're trying to do is sort through the facts and figure out what happened
that night because unfortunately this has become pretty much a cold case. While on the cruise, did you meet George
Smith IV? There was a series of questions that I asked in each of the depositions of each of the boys. Do you
know what happened to George Smith? Were you present when George Smith went overboard? Did you kill George Smith?
Something crazy went down that night and I hope one day that they find out the truth.
>> A 48 hours investigation has uncovered failed polygraphs, questionable alibis,
and a provocative video made by some of the men just hours after George Smith disappeared.
>> On the videotape, you've got them joking about George's death. Very callous and
at one point incriminating. I just can't comprehend that someone could snatch my brother from a cruise
ship, throw him on an overhang and dies alone in the water, and then nothing's done about it. The evidence is
huge. Why hasn't someone been arrested? [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music]
Sometimes you still think, "Ch, he might be still out there cuz we don't have a body." We don't have a body.
It doesn't get any easier. And you know what? If we had our answers for George and know what happened, maybe.
>> We don't know. >> For 10 years, Morin and George Smith have been tormented. They don't know
what happened to their 26-year-old son aboard that cruise ship. >> We have to just keep pushing the buttons
and we won't let it go. It's our son. >> It wasn't supposed to be this way. George Smith IV had seemed destined to
have it all. >> Fine young man, handsome, hardworking. He was just an all round great kid.
>> He was the funniest guy, you know. I would sit and have a couple beers with him and he'd make me laugh for the whole
night. And besides, he was so good-looking, the girls just fell all over him. It was it was a lot of fun. He
was just a great guy. George was about to take over his father's liquor store in Greenwich,
Connecticut. >> George made the store. He was much more of a lively guy than I and loved to talk
and uh he had that gusto in him and he really wanted to take the store and build it.
>> Stop by today. >> This is George working alongside his father in a local commercial.
>> He always called me the old man because I wasn't into modern tools and techniques like he was. So, I was the
old man. I was the dinosaur that he had to deal with. >> George's future seemed even brighter
when he met Jennifer Hegel, an aspiring school teacher. >> I was overwhelmed with her because she
had this dynamic personality. She was very fun-loving like him, very attractive, and he was very happy with
her >> with this ring. >> After a three-year courtship, >> I the win. George and Jennifer were
married in a ceremony overlooking the sea. >> It was a really lavish affair in Newport, Rhode Island. It was a story
book wedding. It was absolutely beautiful. >> George's older sister, Bri, remembers
the day very well and how excited they were to go on their honeymoon. >> They were so excited to be starting
their life together and they couldn't wait to start their cruise. >> I can remember shaking his hand in the
street and saying goodbye to him. No one could ever imagine that just less than two weeks later, George would be
missing. >> In late June 2005, Royal Caribbean's Brilliance of the Seas set sail from
Barcelona. The footage you see is from a sister ship. Fellow honeymooners Paul and
Galina Kitnitzki were on board with the Smiths. We sat down next to one another and uh since the first day we we we
became acquainted. >> The couples hit it off immediately. >> They were really great. I mean, they
were just very normal, down to earth, happy people. >> I would say we spent a lot of time
together. >> They loved the sights. I remember they were taking a lot of pictures. Like
everywhere they went, they were like always with the camera. >> And back on the ship, they socialized
into the early morning hours. >> I think he enjoyed himself a lot, you know, um having a drink or two.
>> He didn't have a good tolerance for alcohol. Like you could see he would have like four beers and you know you
could see that he was pretty much drunk. >> Around midnight on July 5th, the two
couples headed for the casino. [Music] It would be the last night of George's life.
Jennifer, who's seen here on casino security cameras, spent much of her time at the blackjack table. and George, who
was also captured on tape, headed for his usual spot at the craps table. >> He was just having fun at the table and
uh you could see that right away. George was soon joined at the table by another
shipboard acquaintance, California college student Josh Asin. 48 hours spoke to Josh in 2006.
>> Hung out with them for a little bit. Nothing too in-depth. Jennifer played a little blackjack. I played a little
crafts with George. There were a lot of other people around as well who we'd met
on the cruise so far. >> And a group of Russian American students were also making the rounds that night.
Cousins Zachary and Greg Rosenberg and their friend Rusty Kaufman. Josh had met them on the cruise as well.
>> Everyone who was over 18 pretty much congregated in the casino. Everyone was in high spirits
>> and George and Jennifer were high rolling. At one point, George, who's seen here at the casino with Josh, went
back to his own cabin to get extra cash for Jennifer. >> I think George looked prosperous.
Additionally, had a really nice watch, which was a Brightling watch. Was worth a bit of money.
>> And Brie Smith wonders if someone on the ship was getting the wrong idea about
her brother. People may have made assumptions that George was a millionaire even though he wasn't.
>> And one thing that was clear to Paul that night was that by the time the casino closed, both Jennifer and George
were already drunk. >> And I just remember telling him, "It's time to call it a night. It's time to
call it a night." >> Paul wishes his new friend had listened. Two hours later, George Smith would be
gone. As the sun rose over Kusadasi, Turkey on July 5th, 2005, 16-year-old Emily Roush
stepped onto her balcony to snap some photos. And it was around 7:30 in the morning and I noticed something on the
overhang of the lifeboats. >> Instead of a spectacular sunrise, Emily's camera captured this. A huge
blood stain on the lifeboat canopy. This is Emily's account from back then. >> I just assumed that someone had died
there. Security quickly determined the occupants of room 9062 were unaccounted for and snapped these
pictures of the room. And then they began paging the Smiths. >> I had a stateateroom attendant outside
my room. And I said, you know, you should probably go into that guy's room and wake him up because he's not going
to hear that page because he was probably still sleeping. >> In another cabin, Paul and Galina were
startled by a visit from ship personnel. And that's when the guy came in and he said, "Have you seen George?" And I'm
like, "What do you mean, have I have seen George?" >> And we said, "What's going on?" And he
kind of told us, "He's missing." We're like, "Missing?" >> By now, they had been summoned to guest
relations. Jennifer was also there. She'd been located at the ship's spa getting a scheduled massage. The crew
soon delivered the crushing news that her new husband, George, was presumed overboard.
>> She just kept saying that she doesn't remember what happened. I can't remember. I can't understand. I don't
remember. >> Jennifer said she had almost no memory after leaving the casino and that when
she had awakened in the cabin, George wasn't there. She had just assumed George stayed with Paul and Galina.
She's shocked and panicked and she doesn't understand what's going on. She just kept saying that, "I want to call
my dad. I want to call my dad." >> Half a world away in Connecticut, the Smiths were trying to absorb the shock
from the call from Jennifer's dad. >> It's disbelief. >> You know, we just couldn't believe it.
He's got to be on the boat. >> But the Smiths had not yet been told about that blood stain or the
investigation now underway on the brilliance of the seas. Turkish police had boarded the ship. Royal Caribbean
documented the forensic investigation. And in the ship's lobby, they rounded up Josh Asin and the group of Russian
Americans, Rusty Kaufman and Zach and Greg Rosenberg. They had all partied with George the night before.
>> I just didn't know what was going on. I knew I did nothing wrong, and that's all
that mattered to me. This video secretly recorded by Josh's father shows the police interview. Rusty Kaufman on the
right appears to be shocked when he hears about the blood. >> The wife was crazy.
>> The video only captures snippets of what has emerged over the years as a very
complex story. A story and a timeline that would be dissected and debated for years.
>> After we dropped them off, we closed the door. We never saw him again. >> Never saw him again. I'm done. Never saw
him again. >> The young men's account begins at 2:30 a.m. after the casino closed. It was on
an elevator to the disco where Josh says he noticed some odd behavior from casino
manager Lloyd Boa. >> There was maybe a time when Lloyd, the casino manager, put his arm around
Jennifer and we thought a little awkward moment. It was just a little awkward for
a second. >> At the disco, the party was in full swing and the guys smuggled in a bottle
of a potent liquor called Absin. >> They were having shots of absin. They were having shots.
>> Albert Diane represents Rusty Kaufman. We spoke to him in 2006 and Diane says
there was tension between George and Jennifer at the disco. >> Rusty does not hear what is being said,
but he does observe Jennifer kick George in in his groin. >> Jennifer stormed out of the disco. And
according to Zach, Rusty, and Josh, the casino manager followed after her. Josh would emphatically make this point when
questioned by Turkish police later. >> She has no idea what happened. She was with another man, the casino manager,
Lloyd. You need to get him in here. >> The men claimed they didn't know where Lloyd and Jennifer went. But by 3:30
a.m., the disco was closing and George was in bad shape. >> George was kind of slumped over in a
chair. I asked my buddy help me take him home real quick. When they are walking to the cabin, they are literally
carrying George. >> At 3:52 a.m., the guys entered the Smith's cabin. The ship's key entry log
records the time, but Jennifer is not there. >> Did you see her? >> She was in the room.
>> Georgia all of a sudden expresses a wish to go search for his wife. And at this
time, the boys are having a a loud discussion debate about whether they should go and assist George.
>> The group heads out again. And after a brief search of the ship's solarium, they return George to his cabin at 4:01
a.m. >> I went to the restroom right when we went in. I probably saw him for like a
minute, 30 seconds. They actually lay George on his bed, take off his shoes, and he displays a tremendous gratitude
towards these young men. In fact, he hugs and kisses one or two of these young men.
>> And that was the end of it all together. >> But just remember, not not at one point
or no time does he ever seem angry or anything at all. >> But shortly after 4:00 a.m., passenger
Cleat Heyman, a vacationing deputy police chief, hears a disturbance next door. My wife and I were awakened by
yelling coming from the Smith cabin. This yelling sounded what I would liken to a drinking game.
>> A few minutes later, >> suddenly though, there was an argument out on the Smith balcony.
This argument appeared to be uh between three maybe four male individuals. >> But Rusty's lawyer insists that the men
never went out on the balcony. After about two minutes of the argument, uh, we heard one lone male voice uh,
repeatedly say, "Good night. Good night." Like they were ushering someone out of the room. I looked out and saw
three male individuals walking away from the room. >> Three males walking away. Then where was
the fourth man? Diane insists all four men left together. >> Rusty is a pretty wide type of young
man. I believe that the witness just failed to observe the fourth one. >> What Cleat Heyman hears next would
become the subject of endless speculation. Was George alone in the room? >> At this point, we heard just a lone male
voice in the room. We heard what sounded like the cupboard doors being uh closed
uh loudly uh and also sounded like furniture being moved. Greg and Pat Lawyer in the cabin on the other side of
the Smiths hear something similar. >> There was uh what I call trashing of the room sounds. I thought somebody was
throwing furniture around either either mad or having a good time. So we dismissed it at that at that point.
>> After about 2 minutes of total silence, however, there was a large what I would
call a horrific thud. That thud is believed to be the sound of George Smith hitting the metal canopy at
around 4:30 a.m. About that same time, Jennifer is found passed out in a hallway. As for the men, they say they
were all back in their cabin ordering a lion's share of room service. >> Yeah, room service. We ordered room
service. >> They were definitely in their own cabin in Zach's and Rusty's cabin ordering
food at that time. But as it would turn out, the young men's alibi would be called into question.
>> Doesn't hold up at all. As the details surrounding George Smith's disappearance emerged, so had
speculation about his bride, Jennifer. >> Was George murdered? Was Jennifer somehow involved?
>> The widow went on Oprah to defend herself. >> Not only to lose your memory, but then
to have nobody believe you. I don't know what happened. >> And Jennifer wasn't the only one in the
spotlight. >> What about the Ruskies in this story? The Russians. What are these three guys
hanging around a honeymoon couple? I mean, obviously. >> Did he fall overboard? Was he pushed
overboard? They found this big blood stain. >> It's a CSI story that keeps unfolding by
the day. The FBI would begin an investigation that would span 9 and a half years. At
the time, the ship's captain described it as a likely accident, theorizing that an intoxicated George sat on the railing
and simply fell off. The Smiths never bought the accident theory. >> The blood is compelling evidence. There
was blood in the room. Photographs taken by Royal Caribbean inside the Smith cabin revealed two small lines of blood
on the bed sheets. The Smiths say it was George's blood and another sign pointing
to foul play. >> In addition to the blood, there were sounds of a a fight, a struggle inside
my brother's room. The Smiths hoped that getting access to Royal Caribbean's investigative case
files would provide some answers. >> So that shows the room >> and they brought on attorney Mike Jones
to help them. >> Then you got the blood spot. What it's not about is an accident. And what it's
not about is a suicide. It's about a murder. >> Jones immediately got to work setting
his sights on the ship's documents and the four men last seen with George. I took Josh Asin's deposition first.
>> Do you know if George Smith was murdered? >> Invoke my fifth amendment right.
>> Do you know who killed George Smith? >> Invoke my fifth amendment right. >> That's a yes or no answer.
>> Josh Asin took the fifth. >> I invoke my fifth amendment right >> on everything.
>> My fifth amendment right. My fifth amendment right. My fifth amendment right.
>> In late June of 2005. Did you go on a Royal Caribbean cruise with your family?
>> I broke my fifth amendment right. >> I had him take the fifth as to his date of birth, his name. Attorney Keith Greer
represents Josh Asin. >> And so I told him, "The only way we're going to do this, Josh, is if every
single question you're asked, you plead the fifth." >> Greer says that Josh has always been
cooperative, speaking freely to everyone. But there came a point when he had to shut him down because the feds
were getting aggressive. And they have told us that if Josh ever says anything that is different than what he said
before in the grand jury, anything, they will fly him back to Connecticut on perjury charges. I couldn't have that
happen. >> Attorney Albert Diane says Rusty Kaufman got the same treatment and has stopped
cooperating with the FBI. >> And the more he wanted to speak with them, the more he wanted to tell him
what happened, the more they accused him of foul play. >> You know the truth? >> I do. During his deposition, Rusty
Kaufman didn't plead the fifth, but his memory on a lot of things seemed a bit rusty.
>> When you say we put him to bed, who put him in the bed? >> I don't have a recollection of that
right now. >> Josh said that he was he actually used the bathroom at that point. Do you
remember that? >> I don't have a recollection of that. >> Okay. >> Morning, Zachary. My name is Michael
Jones. Zachary Rosenberg also invoked his right against self-inccrimination. >> Was there any commotion in the room?
>> I'd like to invoke my fifth amendment right. >> The only one who appeared forthcoming
was Greg Rosenberg. In 2010, Mike Jones found him in a Florida prison. >> Why are you here in prison?
>> Trafficking. >> Greg was serving three years for trafficking in Oxycodone. He says to
support his expensive taste. clothes. I'm a fanatic for clothes, jewelry, watches.
>> That's why I'm in here, man. >> But murder is a different deal. >> Murder's a different deal, man. I ain't
I don't have it in my heart to kill nobody, man. >> Did you have anything to do with
George's dad? >> No. Never did. Never will. Never thought about it. No. >> Greg brought up that room service party.
>> All right. What'd you eat? >> Tuna fish sandwiches. I know that we had like tuna fish sandwiches and
I think cheeseburgers. I know we had something that that fast food type. We were infatuated with the fact that we
could order whatever we want. >> They ordered so much food and they couldn't have killed George because they
were in the room eating the room service. I mean, it's a nice story, but it doesn't work.
>> In 2010, Mike Jones finally got his hands on those Royal Caribbean internal documents.
>> The room service party is pretty much blown by the information we got from Royal Korean. I mean, that's a big fact.
The ship's records show that although several short calls were made from Zach and Rusty's cabin to room service after
4:13 a.m., there is no record of any order of any kind. >> The handwritten records show that the
room service was never delivered. >> Was it human air? They didn't write it down. Keith Greer insists the room
service party did take place, but it was never really an alibi to begin with since the food would have been delivered
after George went missing. >> The food service itself doesn't prove that they were in a certain place at the
time George went over because George goes over about 4:20 in the morning. So, at that point in time, really the only
alibi they have is each other. If the ship's records raise some questions about where the men say they were that
night, they also cast doubt on where they implied Jennifer was. Remember the casino manager the guys said she left
with at the disco? >> She was with another man. >> The casino manager, Lloyd, >> and that didn't happen. That just didn't
happen. Other witnesses say Lloyd did not leave with Jennifer and key records show that he entered his girlfriend's
cabin at 3:25 a.m. while the Smiths were still in the disco and he had gone to his girlfriend's room and she was able
to corroborate that. So I think Lloyd became the victim of this attempt by the Russians and by Josh Asin to deflect
attention from themselves. As for Jennifer, several witnesses saw her leave the disco alone and unsteady at
3:30 a.m. There are some witnesses from the cruise ship, cruise ship employees that actually escorted her uh onto the
elevator and tried to help her get off the elevator on her floor >> before she ended up going the wrong way
on on deck 9. An hour later, Jennifer was found passed out in that hallway around the time
George went overboard. Lloyd Boa and Jennifer both passed FBI polygraphs. >> People that the Russians and Josh were
pointing fingers at both came through. They very cleanly on their polygraphs. >> The four men are still on the FBI's
radar. And the discovery of a homemade videotape only raises more suspicion. It's ridiculously provocative.
>> Unfortunately, obviously, after 8 years, this has become pretty much a cold case.
>> For the last few years, Mike Jones has been trying to reignite a case he believes has gone cold in the
Connecticut FBI office. If you talk to the FBI, they'll say it's active and open, but um I I don't really believe
that. >> And Jones also doesn't believe the account of the four young men last seen
with George Smith. >> When you left George in his bed, all you guys left? No one stayed.
>> Nobody stayed behind. We all left. >> There's a lot of evidence to suggest that that it was not as simple as as the
Russian men and as Josh have said. You look at the behavior of these young men. They're not good boys or good
Samaritans. Royal Caribbean documents show complaints were made against some of the men for smoking, sneaking liquor,
and verbally abusing ship employees. >> They were dropping fbombs on the room service people.
>> And 2 days after George Smith went overboard, an 18-year-old passenger came forward with a major allegation of
sexual assault. She stated that she was in one of the Russians rooms and that there was group sex with her with some
of the Russians. >> In the woman's statement, she says she was completely intoxicated and in
between blackouts remembers having nonconsentual sex with Greg Rosenberg, Rusty Kaufman, and Jeffrey Rosenberg,
Zack Rosenberg's younger brother. >> And they actually videotaped the group sex. And the fact that they videotaped
themselves doing this, I mean, who does that? >> Rusty's lawyer says the sex was
consensual. >> That whole escapade was noncriminal in nature. Uh, the tape itself revealed
that >> Josh's lawyer, Keith Greer, says Josh did not have sex with the young woman,
but he was there. >> Josh walks into the room and there's one of the Russian boys having sex on the
bed with the girl and another one of the boys filming it. And Josh was concerned.
It became clear to him very quickly that the boys weren't taking advantage of her. The girl was taking advantage of
the boys. >> Before he left CBS News to rejoin the New York City Police Department, John
Miller investigated the case for 48 hours. People who have seen that videotape have told me
>> that the person holding the camera is doing kind of a narration and asking her
questions and she's responding to them. But as this continues, she's crying. >> I haven't heard anything about any
crying from anyone. >> Royal Caribbean had had enough and rounded up all of the young men and
their families for a tense meeting with the ship's lawyer. Josh Haskins's father was again
recording. >> The FBI has asked us to detain your sons. We're going to have to ask you to
put your have your sons go to their cabins and they're going to have to remain there.
>> The group angrily denied the allegations. >> They're ready for the lawsuit. >> Quiet.
Everything is lie. The four men and their families were then removed from the ship in Naples, where Italian police
looked into the rape allegation and washed their hands of it, saying they had no jurisdiction. No one has ever
been charged in the sexual incident. And lawyers for the men believe the tape saved them,
>> but for that tape, they could have been charged for something that uh they did
not commit. >> But that tape may come back to haunt them. The tape in the FBI's possession
contained something else. A lunch meeting filmed by the Russian Americans just hours after George went overboard.
Josh Asin was not present. >> They pass a video camera around filming themselves commenting about George's
death in a very callous way. And they're laughing and joking very callously about
him being wealthy. And certainly the way they were talking, they either knew or they had a pretty good sense of what had
happened. >> A source close to the investigation has told CBS News that on the tape, one of
the men, Rusty Kaufman, refers to George going parachute riding off his balcony.
It is not an admission, but it is at the very least provocative. And there's more. The really sort of
incriminating statement is one of them stands up at the end of the tape and sort of hunches his shoulders and
flashes gang signs and says, "Told you I was gangster." And that's in the context
of the discussion about George's death. Almost as if he's bragging about having done something to George.
>> Jones says that young man was Greg Rosenberg. I just don't understand how the FBI could have had this tape in
their possession and still we sit here, get the guys in there, question them. Lawyers for Zack Rosenberg and Rusty
Kaufman declined to comment on the video. In the spring of 2013, John Miller tried to see if Rusty himself
could provide any more answers. There's a statement made on videotape where you say
George went parachute riding off his balcony. I have no comment. Please, please contact my lawyer and then we can
arrange a time to speak. >> Greg Rosenberg's lawyer says Greg didn't know George was dead at that point and
that his client was just making a stupid comment. >> I don't think they're kidding around.
That's just not something you would just come out and say you're kidding around because if you didn't do it, why would
you be saying it? >> But if George was murdered, the question has always been why. Mike Jones believes
there is finally enough evidence to piece it all together. >> The first thing you look at is motive.
Okay, George and Jennifer dressed well. George had a very expensive Brightling watch. They sort of flashed the money at
the in the casino. What's more, witnesses heard George and Jennifer saying they had thousands of dollars in
their cabin. >> And this got around because there were other passengers not within the circle
of the Russians and Josh who heard the rumors about the money in the cabin. We don't believe it was true, but
perception is everything. >> Jones believes that perception fueled a robbery attempt, one that was hatched
when they put George to bed and Josh had gone into the bathroom. The theory would
be that they were arguing about whether or not one of them or or two of them should stay behind and see if they could
find the money and take the watch because George was in no position to argue or to put up a fight.
>> That arguing Mike believes is what Cleat Heyman heard on the balcony. Jones also
believes his theory fits with what Heyman saw just three men leaving >> and one of them stays behind, starts to
rifle through the drawers and the cabinets. He has a possible explanation for the blood stain.
>> The blood is on the sheets. The blood is in two sort of centimeter long splashes
and almost looks like if you were taking off a watch and you pinched your skin, it would be compatible with the the
blood splatter that was on the bed. While they're doing that, George wakes up, says, "What are you doing?" Fight
ensues, which is consistent with the noises that people on both sides of the cabin heard. And George goes overboard.
Other people hear the loud thud. >> Josh Asin's lawyer, Keith Greer, argues that is all nothing more than
speculation. >> Even Cleat Heyman, he even said that he did not hear the sounds that you would
expect if there was a fight. You know, you dirty so and so, the smacking, the the kicking and stumbling and yelling of
two guys going at each other in a in a fist fight. I just don't think it makes sense.
Greer thinks that there's a simpler explanation for all that took place aboard the brilliance of the seas. The
sex assault claim and George going overboard. >> I don't know why everybody's missing the
theme here cuz there's one common element and it's too much alcohol and we can go and you know blame it on murder
and blame it on aggressive sexual behavior here. You know what? It's just everybody drinking too much and stupid
stuff happening. That fits. >> But does it fit with what Josh Asin was heard saying on an elevator?
Mike Jones is a persistent man and he believes his persistence will one day pay off.
>> It's just a question of pulling together enough evidence to get an indictment and
a conviction. Jones and the Smiths maintain the key to solving the case lies in California.
>> Our theory is that Josh Asian knows what happened, but we don't believe that Josh
was involved in the actual, you know, tossing of George overboard. >> To support his theory, Jones is pointing
to an intriguing clue uncovered by Royal Caribbean. A ship employee overheard Josh Asin speaking to a friend on an
elevator. He said, "I know more than they think I know. Those almost got me arrested in Turkey."
>> Keith Greer argues the comments were taken out of context and Josh has nothing to hide.
>> Do you think that Josh Asin has told you everything he knows? >> Absolutely. No doubt.
>> But Greer admits the FBI told Josh he failed a polygraph. Greer questions the
test and the result. I think it's another rubber hose ploy, you know, where just to freak Josh out and upset
him more. I think it was just the psychological war that they were waging on him and his family or they didn't
take the time to do it right. One or the other. >> Sources tell CBS News Rusty Kaufman also
was tested and he too failed. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Greg Rosenberg was administered a
private polygraph test. >> I took a polygraph. >> You did take one? >> Yeah. It was inconclusive because I'm
I'm ADHD. As you could tell, I like to move a lot. It was inconclusive. There ain't no lies that I need to tell.
>> Generally, it's much easier to tell the actual lie on your own. >> 48 Hours decided to bring in Phil
Houston, a former CIA case officer who for more than two decades specialized in detecting deception. We asked him to
take a closer look at those depositions. Is there anybody of the group that particularly jumps out?
>> That's the honest truth. >> Greg stands out above and beyond everyone. There was just a ton of
deceptive behaviors. >> You can't judge a book by its cover. >> In Houston's opinion, it's not what Greg
Rosenberg says that seems deceptive. >> It is often what he doesn't say. >> What we should hear and see his focus on
is I didn't do it. It wasn't me. You got the wrong guy. Instead, we don't. Where
we hear his focus so many times are reasons why he wouldn't do this. >> But in no way, shape, or form would I
ever do anything like that to an individuals? No reason. That's not me. >> And it appears some questions are more
difficult for Greg than others. >> Did they find anything in either room that that was connected to George's
disappearance? >> He hesitates. He's clearly thinking. The question has thrown him for a loop. It's
almost what could they have found that that would have connected someone to the disappearance.
>> No. Okay. No. >> Did they not? >> And then it's like as he thinks through it, he realizes, I've got to answer the
question. So he goes, well, >> no. No. >> So he's thinking about something that is
not going to come out in his answer. >> That's correct. That's correct. Something he's not sharing. But Greg
doesn't hold back on the one thing the Smiths would agree with. He says George's death was no accident.
>> George Allen Smith did not disappear or kill himself or hurt himself or or slip
and fall of Bo at 6'4 or however tall he is and just dive off. I I know that didn't happen. Something crazy went down
that night and I hope one day that they find out the truth. In the years following George's death,
Jennifer has remarried and tried to move on. But for the Smiths, it's not so easy. In 2014, they announced they are
offering a reward, $100,000 for information that leads directly to the arrest and conviction of whoever is
responsible. We're hoping with this $100,000 reward, this might just be the thing that we need to get the arrest, to
get the convictions. >> Until the day this case is solved, the Smiths vow not to let George's memory
die on that ship. >> That's right. There you go, Georgie. >> We'll get justice. >> We'll get justice
>> somehow. Somehow we'll get justice for George. Somebody will talk. And shame on them that don't.
Shame on the people that have put us through this hell. [Music] [Laughter] [Music]
On January 9th, 2015, the Smith family suffered yet another blow. The FBI announced they were officially closing
the case on George Smith. >> FBI has determined that there is not sufficient evidence to continue the
investigation. >> When we were called in for the meeting that finally closed the case down, it
was it was just devastating to my family. >> How do you collect 97,000 pages of an investigation to determine
after almost 10 years that an accident may have occurred? Still, the family stands by that $100,000 reward, and they
still believe it was murder. The money that was going to be left to George, we thought that uh
since he wasn't going to be here to uh get that money, somebody else could use it to help our family.
We're hoping to generate more leads with the reward and um we're hoping the FBI will reopen the investigation,
>> but the toll is great. >> I never expected to be 67 and still sitting here uh trying to get answers
from my son. It's it's sad. We should be on with our life, but we're not. >> They could say there's no conclusive
evidence. They could shut down the investigation, but they're not going to shut down me. And I'm going to continue
until there is answers and justice for George. [Music] We were a bunch of women who came from
all over the world to Seoul in 1988 to teach English. Korea was transforming and opening up
its doors to the West. The 1988 Olympics really represented South Korea debut on the world stage.
We were helping teach English to Koreans so that they were prepared for the new world coming into their peninsula.
[Music] It was an interesting time. It was a dangerous time. [Music] There was Sandra. She took me under her
wing and we definitely bonded. Kathy Patrick, she was the head teacher, kind of our boss.
I was definitely a party girl. And then there was Carolyn Ael. She was sparkly. She was beautiful. Really
funny. She had a wicked sense of humor. >> My sister Carolyn was an adventure. People did notice her. She was vibrant.
She attracted people's attention. She had become friends with all of us, but particularly with Kathy. They were
like sisters. Life that year was great. We had so much fun. We worked hard. We played hard. We
partied at night. Everything was going so well. [Music] All our fun came to a sudden crashing
halt when one of us, Carolyn Ael, was murdered. >> It was absolutely horrible, brutal,
violent. There are multiple stab wounds. I can't even begin to describe what that
loss has been like. Somebody had detonated a nuclear bomb in the middle of the family.
So, whoever killed Carolyn is still out there. We're at Newark airport about to head
overseas to try to find some answers. What happened to this woman? >> Carolyn Ael.
And where did Carolyn live? >> Caroline lived over there. Um, >> out in this direction here.
>> Out in this direction. [Music] >> I've been asking questions for 30 years. >> What happened the night that Carolyn was
killed? >> Everybody loved Carolyn. >> Who was in the room? who put the knife in?
>> Why should anybody be able to get away with murdering somebody and never face charges?
[Music] More than 30 years later, our investigation has brought us here to a university in Bellingham, Washington,
where Carolyn Abel's alleged killer works. We just got word. We're going to make our move now. Okay, this is the
building. >> We were so sure the enemy was on the outside. It never occurred to any of us
that the killer was among us. [Music] [Music] [Music] 48 hours out of reach. Reported by Peter
Vans. For writer and author Nancy Burkhaw, flying to South Korea in the winter of
2018 reopened a painful chapter in her life, one of murder, loss, and fear. >> Not only were we devastated about the
loss of Carolyn. We of course wondered who's next. [Music] back in Soul. Where should be our first
stop? >> Well, I think we should go to the school to ELS where we all taught. >> ELS is the English language school.
>> This is the neighborhood >> where Nancy met fellow teacher Carolyn Ael back in 1988.
This is the school and the world was never the same for any of us who were in that building together on December 20th.
>> The events of that day have haunted Carolyn Abel's family for more than 30 years.
>> And the damage that's been done was just so devastating. >> Wanda Ael remembers her younger sister
Carolyn as the center of attention from an early age. This is our very first passport photo. Carolyn is on the right.
>> This is a passport picture with three people in it. >> Yeah. She was the youngest and the
cutest and the baby of the family. >> The youngest daughter of professors Dr. Francis and Evelyn Ael. Carolyn had a
love of photography and a wander lust that took her around the world. >> My mother said in retrospect, it was
almost like she knew she didn't have a lot of time. She wanted to do as much as she could in the time she had and not
waste a second. >> By the time she graduated from college, Carolyn had already lived in Pakistan,
East Asia, Germany, and France. >> She would get restless. She didn't like being just in one place for too long.
>> That restlessness compelled Carolyn to join the Peace Corps after college, serving in Nepal, where she taught
English. In 1987, Carolyn took another teaching job in Japan where she met this man, Tomoyuki Ayagaki, a customs agent.
>> She's always cheerful. >> Did she make you laugh? >> Yes, she's funny. >> Carolyn and Tommoyuki began a
relationship that very quickly became serious. >> Did you fall in love with Carolyn?
>> Oh, yes. >> Tomoyuki did propose to Carolyn. And what was her answer? Do you know?
>> Carolyn was trying to decide whether she would be happy being married and staying
in Japan. >> While contemplating a future life with Tomoyuki, Carolyn received an offer for
another job 330 m away and across the Sea of Japan. [Music] And in the fall of 1988, Carolyn set out
on her next great adventure in life, teaching English here in Soul, South Korea.
>> And from the minute she walked into the staff room, she was just breath of fresh
air. She sort of looked a little bit like Farah Faucet. That's where Carolyn quickly fell in with Nancy Burkhaw and
the other American teachers at school like Sandra Ames who requested that we alter her current appearance for this
interview. >> She was making her students laugh and sing and and have fun learning English
>> and Tamara Do. >> She made friends with everybody. She was very very friendly.
>> So this is Kathy. Carolyn also hit it off with the head teacher at the school,
Kathy Patrick. >> Carolyn and Kathy Patrick were extremely good friends. They were considered, if I
can use a modern term, besties. >> The women taught, traveled, and partied together.
>> Expat life in Seoul in the late 80s was wild. and one place where our worlds collided and that was Eetwan, the red
light district. >> This is where Kathy and Sandra and Carolyn and Tamara and I would come.
>> So what we did is we danced and drank like crazy people. On the weekend of December 17th, 1988,
just 3 days before the murder, Sandra, Cathy, Carolyn, and some Korean students took a trip into the mountains. Carolyn
took these pictures. >> We spent the time looking at temples and hiking and then partying in the evenings.
>> Classes were winding down for the winter break. Tomoyuki was getting ready to fly
to Seoul, hoping to get an answer to his marriage proposal. On Tuesday, December
20th, Carolyn never made it to work. And a lot of us missed work on occasion for
various reasons. >> I was not at that point concerned, but Kathy was concerned about Carolyn
because she couldn't get her on the phone. >> Kathy was asking all of us, had any of
us heard from Carolyn? No. >> Kathy was very upset, convinced that something had happened to Carolyn.
>> And I said, "Well, maybe we should go over there." At that point, some of our students
drove us to Carolyn's apartment. We went into the apartment and Kathy discovered the body.
She was murdered brutally and horribly and in a way that she did not deserve. And we were just all in shock just
trying to figure out what happened. [Music] I think we all just felt like, what the
hell's going to happen now? Are we in danger? How will Sandra and Kathy ever recover
from the shock of seeing their dead friend? Where do we go from here? [Music] Carolyn's apartment was on the 15th
floor. [Music] So, here we are. [Music] I'm Peter Ben and I'm a reporter for CBS
News and we are working on a story about a woman named Carolyn who used to live in your apartment and we came by to ask
you if if we may have permission to come into your apartment to take some video pictures.
>> Early in the afternoon on December 20th, 1988, colleagues and students of Carolyn
Abless came to this apartment building after she failed to show up for work. Kathy, Sandra, and three Korean men
walked down this hallway. Surprisingly, the door was unlocked and they went inside.
Who was the first person into the apartment? >> Kathy. She went did a beline right to
the bedroom. Kathy came out of the room and said, "Caroline's dead. We need to call an ambulance. No, we need to call
the cops." And she didn't want me to go look at the body. >> So, we have our shoes off
and we're ready to check out the murder scene. This is the room where Carolyn Abel left
this world and she put up a fight in her last minutes of life. She had a number of defensive wounds and she took the
brunt of it. More than 30 stab wounds including a cut from ear to ear on on the throat and there was blood
everywhere in here on the walls on the bed. It was a mess. Korean police and press swarmed the
apartment which had been ransacked and within hours. The murder led the national news in
South Korea >> and I remember watching the news and the cameras panning around the room and they
kept going in on this teddy bear and it was really horrible. The impact of seeing her body wheeled
out in a body bag really made it quite real. It wasn't a dream. It became the nightmare that it really
still is to this day. How did you get the news of what had happened to your sister?
>> I was at home and my mother called me. She told me that Carolyn had been murdered and I just I screamed.
We were just crying trying to figure out. I mean, how could this happen? Who would
want to do this to her? Everybody loved Carolyn. Why? >> With the killer still out there,
Carolyn's friends wondered, could they be next? [Music] We were all certain that perhaps a
Korean had probably killed her. If a Korean hated an American this much, was he coming after the rest of us?
>> The shocked friends turned their attention to Kathy and Sandra, who had discovered Caroline's body?
>> They seemed horrified. I was so concerned about them. >> They were hysterical.
It seemed as if they were having a nervous breakdown. Days later, Kathy Patrick led a memorial
service for Carolyn. >> I think it was quite moving. >> Even now thinking about it, you tear up
a bit. >> Kathy also wrote Carolyn's parents. Wanda still has that letter. >> Please know that I love Carolyn as a
sister and a dear friend. My roommate and I are the two people who found Carolyn in her apartment. Let me know if
I can tell you anything. >> In Japan, Tommoyuki learned the love of his life was gone,
but he decided to make his trip to South Korea anyway. He stayed with Kathy and Sandra.
Even today, after all these years, 30 years, this still gets to you, doesn't it?
>> Yeah. Sorry. >> In Seoul, rumors were swirling and South Korean police cast a wide net.
We were all suspects. Every single teacher on the staff was interviewed. You know, the Korean police were in our
faces just like, "Where were you? How did you know? Caroline, what's your story? Why are you here? Why did you
come to our country? Are you secretly FBI?" We just kept thinking, why are you asking me this? Get out there and find
the real killer. >> Then Nancy took a phone call in the teachers lounge that moved the
investigation in a whole new direction. >> Sounded like a Korean woman. And then
very quickly she said, "I know who killed Carolyn." I said, "What?" She said, "An American military officer."
Nancy told the South Korean police who brought in detectives from the US Army. >> And very quickly thereafter, John
Boatight walked in. >> John Boatright was a legendary chief of detectives for the Army's criminal
investigation division in South Korea. He quickly eliminated the US military officer who was pegged as a suspect by
his ex-girlfriend. He did not know Carolyn Ael and it appeared that she was just trying to get revenge on him for
the bad breakup. >> 3 weeks after the murder, an autopsy revealed the cause of death, a stab
wound to her right lung. The report also confirmed her throat was cut. >> In my opinion, her throat was cut after
she was deceased. after. How unusual is that based on your experience? >> Very unusual.
>> So, what did happen at Carolyn's apartment? >> And I was convinced that whoever did
this probably knew Carolyn. >> Why? >> Because there was no signs for entry into the apartment. It appeared that
whoever was in that apartment knew her. >> There were two coffee cups found in the
room. If there's a break-in, generally a criminal would not say, "Hey, let's let's have a cup of coffee before I
ransack your place and and attack you." >> That certainly would not be normal. >> Like his South Korean counterparts, Boat
Wright decided to question Carolyn's colleagues who told him, >> "You really should look at the two girls
who found the body. >> Those two women, Sandra Ames and Kathy Patrick. [Music] We assumed that a Korean had probably
killed her. But little did we know that the enemy was inside that staff room with us.
[Music] [Music] Just weeks after Carolyn Abel's murder, the investigation by John Boatright was
focusing on the two friends who had discovered her body. Roommates Kathy Patrick and Sandra Ames.
>> And do you get a chance to question each of them? >> No. Kathy Patrick had already gotten on
a plane and left Korea. We had encouraged her to go. She must have lost 15 pounds.
She just looked like someone who was about to break. >> Kathy returned home to Washington State,
but Sandra was still in soul. >> I took a statement from her and then I asked her, "Uh, did you kill Carol?"
And she just sort of sat there and stared at me. She's just staring at you. >> That's correct. After about 30 seconds,
she was very quiet, but she said, "No, that was just just not normal." >> Sandra maintains she had nothing to
hide. So, 2 months after the murder, she waved her right to an attorney and agreed to take a lie detector test.
>> I remember being hooked up to all the wires in a darkened room. He asked her, "Do you
know where the murder weapon is?" And she said, "No." And she really peakedked out on that,
indicating that she was not being truthful. >> I said, "I'm not lying. I'm telling the
truth." So, we took it again with the same results. And at that point, I said, "Let
me tell you about this picture in my head." The picture was a dark shape on a bed
covered in a quilt that I knew was a body. Sandra described that picture in her head as a fragmented memory of that
night. As Boatright asked her for more details, she told a new story. It was nothing short of a bombshell. The story
began with being in bed and having Kathy at the door of my room and coming in and
saying, "I think I killed Carolyn." "What with?" I asked. And she said, "A knife." "Where is it?" I asked. "In the
kitchen sink." Sandra said she was in disbelief and asked Cathy to take her to Caroline's
apartment where she saw her friend's brutalized body on the bed covered in blood.
>> To the best of my recollection, we sat in the living room at Carolyn's apartment and she convinced me,
manipulated me to help her make it look like a robbery. though she didn't mention it when we
spoke with her. Boatright says that during their interview, Sandra made another statement about her own actions
that night after she walked in and saw Carolyn's body. >> She says, "I touched her arm
and it was warm." And at that point, I realized that she may be still alive and that she might testify against Kathy.
And so I went to the kitchen, got a knife, and came back and I cut her throat to make sure she was dead.
>> Remember, Boatright believed that wound was inflicted after Carolyn was already
dead from the stab wound to the lung. So, what Sandra is telling you is actually forensically
matching up what was done to Carolyn's body. >> Absolutely. >> But Sandra's story quickly changed. In
these official statements, Sandra wrote that Kathy had admitted to cutting Carolyn's throat. And today, Sandra
claims that the only reason she made that admission was due to false memories implanted by investigators. But she
doesn't deny going to the crime scene or handling the murder weapon. >> You did tell authorities at the time
that you cleaned a bloody knife. >> I did. I did. And that was because I remembered putting the clean knife
into the dish rack. Kathy had said that that was the knife she had used to kill Carolyn.
It may seem far-fetched, but Sandra claims those memories had been suppressed deep in her subconscious mind
until the interview with Boatright. >> So, are you telling me the truth? >> Yes. Yes.
>> Because some of these lapses in memory are kind of convenient. >> Oh, they're very convenient. But no,
this is the truth as I lived it. Though Sandra's story was bizarre to say the least,
investigators believed the core details, which never changed, that Kathy woke her
up and confessed to killing Carolyn, and the two of them staged it to look like robbery, and the evidence they collected
appeared to back that up. each time that she was interviewed later, she kept changing the facts to to limit her
involvement in the murder, but she never denied that uh Kathy did the murder, and
she never denied that she was present uh just after the murder. >> Who do you believe
held the knife and murdered Carolyn Ael? >> Kathy Patrick. After her confession, Sandra Ames was
kept in house arrest here in Seoul. 5 months later, in July of 1989, she pleaded guilty to harboring a criminal
and suppressing evidence. >> I was fingerprinted, photographed, and put into a holding cell.
>> But why would Kathy want Carolyn dead? Investigators uncovered a secret which
provided a potential motive. Kathy really fell for Carolyn. >> Tamara Do was one of the few teachers
who knew Kathy was gay. >> And she would confide in me, you know, I really like this woman. I think she's
into me. And and I'm like, Kathy, I don't really think she's gay. You should really be careful. Kathy told me that
she was in love with Carolyn and that her feelings were not necessarily returned.
I believe that Kathy and Carolyn were alone uh during that initial attack. The thing that makes most sense to me is
Kathy tried to kiss Carolyn and Carolyn pushed her away and rejected that kiss. I think Kathy was so enraged and angry
that she lost control. >> Kathy Patrick was now the prime suspect in Carolyn Abel's murder. A murder
warrant for her arrest was issued in South Korea. Back in Japan, Carolyn's boyfriend,
Tommoyuki, heard the news. You stayed with Kathy at her apartment. Yes. For her part in the alleged crimes,
Sandra was sentenced to one year in prison. Meanwhile, Kathy Patrick was back at
home in Washington State. The South Korean government made diplomatic requests to return her to
Seoul from the US to face a murder charge, but hit a wall. There was no extradition treaty with Korea at the
time. >> When she left, they couldn't get her back there. >> Why couldn't we see through Kathy and
Sandra? It's just unreal, you know? So, in in one fell swoop, you learn that your friends are involved in this crime
and that the one who might have been the killer is free because of this loophole in
American law. In the States, Carolyn's family pushed for an arrest. >> The US attorney in Washington State
said, "No, you can't arrest her because she hasn't committed a crime in the United States." There was no
jurisdiction to arrest her for murder. And that's what pushed my family to say, "Wait a minute. This isn't right."
>> But American authorities weren't finished with Kathy Patrick. And soon they would come face to face with her.
>> Did you ask Kathy Patrick flat out, did you murder Carolyn Ael? >> Yes, I did.
[Music] [Music] >> So this is one of the last pictures taken of her alive. >> Right. Right.
[Music] >> In the days after Carolyn's murder, Wanda worked overtime during the holidays to bring her home.
>> We got her back in time to hold the funeral on New Year's Eve. >> Gone, but never forgotten.
Wanda Ael and her family were pushing the government to pursue a case against Kathy Patrick, who had left South Korea
just weeks after Carolyn's murder. >> So, do you believe this sudden move from South Korea to the United States was in
a way a an expression of consciousness of guilt? >> Yes. Well, Kathy knew she did it. So she
had to suspect that sooner or later somebody was going to put it together or that Sandra was going to crack and to
tell on her. So she spent as little time in South Korea as possible after she killed Carolyn.
>> With Kathy Patrick back in Washington State, Carolyn Abel's family was fearful
they could be targeted. I was worried that Kathy would try to kill us because Kathy wrote these
letters to my parents, that she was her great friend and that, you know, she'd love to meet them. And I was working
through my mind, what would I do if I saw this person or if she showed up at my house?
>> Despite the lack of an extradition treaty, there was still that South Korean arrest warrant for murder for
Kathy Patrick. My name is Steven Schroeder. I'm a retired assistant United States attorney
and I worked in Seattle. >> They also asked the US government for help. What did the South Koreans want
you to do? >> Among other things, they wanted me to take a deposition of Kathy Patrick and
ask her some questions about the murder that occurred in Soul. It was 1989 when Schroeder was assigned
the case with John Boatright and FBI agents along with her lawyer Kathy Patrick willingly sat down with them to
be questioned. Did you ask Kathy Patrick flat out, "Did you murder Carolyn Ael?"
>> Yes, I did. >> What did she say? >> She said she did not. >> And did you present her with what her
roommate had said? >> Yes. >> And what did she say about that? >> Simply it wasn't true. And did Kathy try
to shift blame at all? Did she point the finger of suspicion at all at Sandra? >> Not with me.
>> Kathy also denied under oath that she was in love with Carolyn Ael. >> Do you believe Kathy Patrick lied to
you? >> There was enough indication of that to justify us doing further investigation.
Yes. My strategy at that point was if the Koreans did not prosecute it, then to look whether we could for basically
false statements, perjury, obstruction of justice. >> Even though lie detector tests are
inadmissible in federal court, they are a tool used by investigators to confirm deception.
Kathy Patrick willingly agreed to take one and answer questions about Carolyn's murder. The
examiner concluded that she was deceptive >> and deception is lying >> lying. After the polygraph, Kathy
Patrick, whom South Korea still wanted to arrest for murder, was free to leave. >> Is that frustrating?
>> It was very frustrating. Compounding Caroline's family's grief, Sandra Ames was released from a South
Korean prison after serving just 6 months of her one-year sentence. And it wasn't because of good behavior.
>> Is it true you got out of prison because someone bribed a judge to get you out?
>> Yep. Absolutely. >> We just couldn't believe it. I mean, six months for assisting a murderer and covering up
the crime scene and making it look like a burglary and not even telling anybody,
not talking. I I don't understand. I When Sandra returned to the United States, she was recruited by the FBI to
go undercover and secretly record a reunion with Kathy Patrick in hopes of eliciting a confession.
I didn't even call. I simply went to her house. >> And what did she say to you? Sandra,
what are you doing here? >> Probably. And I think I said something along the lines of, "How could you have done that?
How could you have killed Carolyn?" And she said, "I don't know what you're talking about."
Without incriminating statements from Kathy, the feds were not able to press charges for perjury.
>> As long as she stays within these borders, she's a free woman. >> That's That's correct. Yes.
>> And with no extradition treaty in place, South Korean authorities put the murder
case on the shelf. I think the South Koreans were taking the attitude that this is a US problem.
It's two US citizens. >> Meanwhile, Carolyn's family carried on with their quest for justice.
>> My dad contacting every congressman, every senator. He wrote to news stations
60 minutes because he was hoping that if that happened then there would be more publicity, more pressure.
>> While Kathy Patrick carried on with her life. >> If it is true that Kathy Patrick
murdered your sister, is she a danger today to the public? >> I I think she probably is. And who knows
what would trigger some kind that kind of violence again. >> Kathy declined to meet with 48 Hours. So
we went to her in Bellingham, Washington, where today she's a counselor at Western Washington
University. >> Okay, guys. We're going to make our move now to Kathy Patrick's office.
>> Hi. >> Hi, Kathy Patrick. Hi. >> Hi, Peter Van Sam with CBS News. [Music] My sister never got to live her life.
Why does Kathy get to live a full life? For almost three decades, Kathy Patrick has lived a quiet life in Bellingham,
Washington, north of Seattle, where for the last 18 years, she has worked as a student adviser at Western Washington
University. >> Okay, this is the building. Okay, so when we get in, let's move quickly to her office. Kathy turned down
our request for an interview, saying Caroline's murder was too painful to talk about, but on this day, her past
was fast approaching. >> Hi, Kathy Patrick. Peter Vans with CBS News. There are investigators from two
countries that have now >> are certain that you murdered Carolyn Ael. What do you have to say?
Um, I have to say that I'm innocent and that I don't know what happened after I found
Caroline's body. These are Kathy Patrick's first public words on the murder of Carolyn Ael in 30 years.
>> Now, your roommate says just the opposite, that you confessed to her and that the two of you then went back over
to Carolyn's apartment and staged the scene as a burglary. No, >> that never happened.
>> No. >> So, she's lying to us when she told us that. >> I believe she is. >> You flunked a polygraph test. How did
that happen? >> I don't know the science of polygraphs. I'm not surprised that I would um flunk
it in retrospect given how clammy and nervous I am right now. And I'm even shaking. It was a frightening
experience. And I absolutely do not know what happened before I went to her apartment and found
her body. >> It has been >> It has been 30 years since this. Isn't it time to come
clean about this? Investigators are certain that you committed this murder. >> They are wrong.
>> If you didn't, who did? I believe it must have been Ames. >> Sandra Ames. She says you did it and you
had her go over and help manipulate the room to make it look like a burglary. >> That's not true.
>> Another circumstance in all of this is that people have >> You want these people to leave?
>> Um, can we stop right now? >> These are important questions to be asked about this. There were 30 stab
wounds on Carolyn's body and friends say that you attacked her after she rejected
you. Your romantic advances. >> No, this has to stop now, please. Um, you're really sidelining me here and I'm
not prepared to answer questions here at my place of work. This happened 30 years
ago. I have been available to investigators in Korea and in the US. In her interviews with South Korean police,
a deposition, and a polygraph test with American investigators, Kathy Patrick did not point a finger at Sandra Ames.
Steven Schroeder had a question about that for Kathy. >> Well, why didn't she tell us that 29
years ago? When we recently contacted Sandra Ames, she told us she wasn't surprised that
Kathy tried to blame her and denied having participated in Carolyn's murder. >> If it went to trial, I would be willing
to testify. I would need to testify. >> Where should Kathy Patrick be today in your opinion?
>> She should be in prison. Plain and simple. Thanks to the Able family's lobbying
efforts, in 1994, Congress passed a law that allows for the US prosecution of US
nationals who kill other Americans in foreign countries. >> And so today, American families, if
their loved ones are murdered abroad by an American, um, will have a very different
experience than Carolyn Abel's family did. And I think I think we all owe them a debt of gratitude. But in Carolyn
Abel's case, any trial seems highly unlikely. In South Korea, the statute of limitations for her murder has expired.
And the Ael family says investigators told them the physical evidence in the case has been destroyed. Evidence that
would have been crucial for a trial in the United States. >> No one should have to go through what my
family went through. How do we live in a world where a US citizen can go murder a
US citizen and then come back and live like nothing happened? That's the outrage of this.
>> In a case where nothing is simple, the long path to justice may never reach its
destination. [Music] I honestly can't picture her old cuz she was just always so so vibrant
and so energetic and I I I think she still would be, you know, I miss her. She was like my
best friend. We've all continued our lives as adventurous people, but you know, we kind of carry the memory of
Carolyn behind us. Whatever ground we walk on, it's hard not to remember that there's
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[Music] [Music] I think a lot of people misjudge me. >> Her name is Jasmine Harton. seen by many
as one of the most wealthy and controversial people. >> They don't see my wholesome side
>> in one of the most alluring places on earth. >> When I decided to come to Bise, I
thought that I was moving from the cold north into a paradise. >> Bleise is a tiny Central American
tourist mecca that's also a haven for the super rich, where jet setters and beach comrs rub elbows every day. And
it's where Jasmine, 32, was raising twins with her partner Andrew Ashcrooft, a real estate developer and son of a
British billionaire. >> A woman with one of the most prominent names on the island, is at the police
station. >> I've never had a story like this before. >> Shereice House is a news reporter and
anchor at Channel 7 in Bise and a CBS News consultant. She has been covering the case since it broke on May 28th,
2021. Reports tonight are that Harton was flattered in the officer's blood. >> Authorities detained Jasmine Harton
after finding her dazed and drenched in blood on a deserted pier near her exclusive beachfront resort home.
>> It's a mystery for which the intrigue is escalating. >> In the water was police superintendent
Henry Jamont with a fatal gunshot wound behind his right ear. A man beloved by his five children and
says his sister Cherry by the country he'd spent his life serving. >> He had done a great job for the country
of Bise. >> We will purchase shoes for some of the needy kids within the villages around
>> with a respected police officer dead and a wealthy powerful woman in a concrete
jail cell. There were rampant rumors about Jasmine Harton and Henry Jamat. Were drugs or infidelity involved?
The speculation was fueled by reports that Jasmine's account of that night had changed. According to Channel 7, the
first account she told was the fatal shot may have come from a passing boat. >> Why would she have ever told such a wild
story about a boat? After a jail house visit with a lawyer, Hartin admitted she fired the fatal shot accidentally.
Hartin was charged with manslaughter by negligence and eventually released on bail.
The things that are at stake right now is my relationship with my children, my freedom, my business, my money, my my
character, my reputation, and my my life is at stake. >> Tonight, you will hear Jasmine Harton
tell her side of the story. It's a story that begins in her childhood. She insists she was never a spoiled rich
kid. >> I think because I grew up the way I did, all of that has prepared me for what
I've just endured. She says she grew up poor in Canada as one of nine siblings in a small farming community.
>> Do you remember being hungry as a child? >> Of course. Yeah, many times. Jasmine's mother, Candace Castleone,
says food was in such short supply, she tricked a local doughnut shop to give her stale pastries to feed her kids.
>> I went in and told them I was a pig farmer. I needed the donuts for my pigs. The kids thought it was awesome.
>> She went to high school in a hard scrabble neighborhood of Kingston, Ontario, and set her sights on a career
in dentistry, hoping to help the needy. I started to do dental missions >> and bise
>> I saw an opportunity to come down and do a mission here for dentistry. >> She arrived in Bleise in 2014. She set
up shop on an exclusive island called Amberris Ki and made a splash on the social scene, acquiring a reputation as
a party girl. And in 2015, she met someone who would change her life. By then, she was
working as a realtor, and he was a potential client. >> There was something intriguing about his
level of confidence. >> It was Andrew Ashcraftoft. >> I thought he was very clever, very
funny, very witty. Andrew is a son of Lord Michael Ashcraftoft, a well-known conservative
political figure in his native Great Britain who'd built a billion dollar business empire with extensive holdings
in Bise. They reportedly have included ownership stakes in the phone company, two of the biggest banks, a TV station,
even the main port. Once you learned that Andrew Ashcroft is the son of a billionaire, how did that
impact you in your relationship? >> So I was curious about it. >> Were you in any way attracted to his
wallet? >> No. >> But the potential >> I wanted to build something together. I wanted us to be partners.
>> They got engaged in 2016 and the next year had twins, Charlie and Ella. It was
just months earlier at a brunch that Jasmine had met the other man who had become a central figure in her future, a
highranking police official on the island, Henry Jamat. >> Henry is a lot of fun and we would get
together often um with groups. >> Jasmine says he was on the island for about another year before being
transferred and they got to know each other well. >> He loved his food, loved my cooking,
often came to the house for dinner. She says Andrew Ashcroft already knew Henry,
so Jamat's name was on the invite list in May 2021 when the couple cut the ribbon on their professional dream.
>> Thank you. >> A Marriott branded resort worth millions. It was just weeks before the
shooting. >> For Jasmine and I, it marks the fulfillment of a dream to create the
Eliar Resort. >> Jasmine Hartin seemed to have it all. opulent lifestyle, lovely family, and
links to a powerful dynasty. Her life may have looked perfect, but she says by then, behind the curtains of the five
bedroomedroom beachfront condo she shared with Andrew and the children, there was trouble.
>> Andrew and I have had a very rocky road. >> "They tried to make it work," says
Jasmine, though they never officially married. >> We weren't even sleeping in the same
rooms. and she says they were essentially leading separate lives. So on a dark night in May 2021 when Jasmine
Hartin suddenly found herself in trouble at a party, she called for her friend Henry Jamat.
>> I said, "Please come pick me up. This is bad. [Music] [Music] Set the scene for us. This is a very
special place for you. >> Yeah, it used to be a very special place, but now brings back a lot of very
sad sad memories. This is Grand Colony. So that building in the back is where I lived.
>> At the glittering center of Jasmine Harton's world was a fantasy. The luxurious beachfront hotels of the
Ashcraftoft Empire in San Pedro on Amberris Ki Bise. San Pedro is where all that money comes in, rolls in, and rolls
out. >> Here, accommodations can go for upwards of $1,000 a night. It is just a few
barefoot steps across the sand, but a world away from everyday life in this Central American nation, where the
average salary is around $800 a month. There's an element of race in that expats do not tend to socialize within
the black community. >> I'm standing in front. >> But reporter Shereice House says Jasmine
Harton and Henry Jamat's life journeys cut a path that straddled both worlds. >> Henry Jamat is friends with a wide range
of Bleian society. as at ease with the Ashcrofts and their enormous wealth as he was with the
workingclass people he grew up with. >> You called him king. >> Yes, >> he's the king.
>> Yes, he's the king. >> My parents name him King because he's one and only boy in the family.
>> A king who followed in the footsteps of his sister, Cherry. >> Yes, we are both police officers.
>> And was your brother a good cop? a very good cop, very strict. >> We're trying to bridge the gap between
the community and the police. >> Henry Jamat is an upstanding officer >> and I believe that by
>> a senior police official and a family man, dedicated father to four girls and
a boy, son, brother, friend to many like Jean Lopez. He was a big fell but he was friendly
but stern. >> Tell me about the Henry that you knew. >> He would assist anybody if they need
assistance. >> He is a very good man loved by many. He have extended his love beyond the
family limits. >> Did you become good friends? >> Well, yes. The more I got to know him,
we had a lot in common. There has been a lot of talk around BISE that you and Henry Jamat were more than friends. That
you may have been lovers. >> That's not true. That's not true at all. >> You guys never had a sexual
relationship. >> No. >> Still, the nature of their relationship would become the heart of this story.
And the question is, what was such a prominent man, prominent yes, but workingass, middle class, doing on a
pair with someone who's from the 0.01% of wealthy expats? It just seemed like a mashup and a friendship that almost
shouldn't exist. Whatever their relationship, it was Jasmine's reliance on the man known as
King that set in motion the final days of Henry Jamat's life. It was May 22nd, 2021. Jasmine says she was at a party
some 70 m from home. >> A man followed me into the room and was quite aggressive with me,
>> verbally, physically, >> physically, um, in a sexual manner. So in that moment, I fought him off me. I
called Jamut right away. >> The man Jasmine calls her protector. Didn't hesitate.
>> He drove an hour to come pick me up. And he kept saying, "We need to really work
on getting your firearms license." >> She says Henry Jamont wanted her to have a gun for protection.
>> And you agreed to that? >> Yes. >> And when he had that conversation, did he show you his Glock pistol?
>> Yes. He wanted me to handle it, to get a feel for it. This is what a Glock 17 looks like.
>> When you got home, did you share what happened to you with Andrew? >> No, we weren't really sharing a lot with
each other at all. >> And Henry Jamat posted on Facebook that he was now single.
>> He posted something about being single like after 14 years. >> And so some 3 days later, it was
Jasmine's turn to help her friend. The next thing I know, I get a text message from Henry saying, "Hey, can you hook me
up at Grand Colony? I need to come out there for a couple days and just blow off some steam."
>> He checked in on Wednesday, May 26th. >> Correct. >> The next day, Henry went fishing with
his best friend, Francisco Penny Areo. >> He was happy. I was happy. I said, "So,
what's up tonight?" He said, "Well, I have a date." I said, "Who?" He said, "That one, I'm taking it to my grave."
But he was smiling when he tell me that. >> Were you that date? >> That's hard to say. If he called me a
date, he may have just been pulling their leg or exaggerating truth. I'm not sure, but I'm I'm definitely not a date.
>> She says Andrew was supposed to join them, but as a full moon settled over the tropical Caribbean night, Jasmine
met Henry alone. >> I had a police report that Superintendent Jam had been killed on a
pair in San Pedro. Just offshore from this pier, floating in the dark Caribbean Sea, Henry Jamat,
shot dead. >> Next thing I know, the police are there. >> She had called the police herself. They
took her into custody where Jasmine reportedly spun her first version of how Henry Jamat died.
>> Her story is that a passing boat shot Jamat. >> And that story is from Jasmine herself.
>> From Jasmine herself. I don't remember saying that like it was such a blur. Um,
you know, and I think I was in shock. >> Were you intentionally trying to mislead
police at that moment? No. >> To protect yourself? >> No, not at all. Later on the day of the shooting, Henry
Jamat's body was brought across the shimmering waters and home by his best friend Py in this same boat they'd been
fishing in just a day before. >> I said, "Can't be cannot be. I'm still still hurt, still bothered, still very
hurt." >> You were crying. >> Yeah, of course. Yes. >> The king was dead. The woman with
connections to a wealthy, powerful family sat in a cell at the police station. And
then reportedly that story she told about the bullet fired from the boat began to change.
>> It's past midnight now at the end of the pier. What happens? [Music] There are only two people who know what
happened on that pier on Amberris Key. One is forever silenced. Allegedly shot with his own gun. A Glock 17 like this
one. >> 42-year-old superintendent of police Henry Jamat is dead. >> More than 2 days after being taken into
police custody, the other person in this twisted drama, Jasmine Harton, made a startling admission.
>> You have admitted shooting and killing Henry Jamat. >> Yes. So, >> but let me just finish my question. Was
it an accident or was it murder? >> It was absolutely not murder. Henry was my friend.
>> That day changed everyone's lives. >> Documents from the cops, courts, and forensic experts in Jasmine Hartin's
case have not been made public. So much of her account of that night cannot be independently corroborated.
She told her story in detail for the first time on TV to 48 hours. >> How did you and Henry Chamat end up on
that pier? >> Well, we were sitting on the balcony of unit one, >> which is ocean front.
>> She says they were drinking >> cinnamon whiskey. Yeah. He took his like a shot, you know. I was sipping on mine.
Then we went, it was a full moon. The stars were gorgeous. So we decided, let's go down and sit on the pier. We
were sitting on the edge, our legs kind of dangling, just talking. >> As he'd done after rescuing her from
that party, Jasmine says Henry Jamat again pulled out his 9mm Glock 17 and handed it to her.
>> I am not an expert with 9 mm by any means. >> So Jasmine says Henry began teaching her
how to eject and reload the magazine clip and bullets. He said, "Let's see if you can do, you know, unload the clip,
reload it." So, help me get the clip out. I was unloading it. Then he took the bullets and put them beside him. I
was under the impression that the gun was completely empty at that time. >> It doesn't make sense to people. Why are
you doing this in the darkness? >> It just kind of happened in that moment. >> Jasmine claims Henry was a little
inebriated, but says she wasn't. I had had a few drinks. Yeah. I wasn't drunk. >> It's past midnight now. We're
approaching 12:45 a.m. >> What happens? What unfolds? >> We're sitting on the end of the pier
together. He makes the comment about how his shoulder is really stiff and he's like, "Just rub my shoulder." So, I kind
of scooched back behind him. >> Jasmine says she agreed to give Henry Chamat a shoulder massage. And then,
>> let's head inside, he said. So, I said, "Okay." So he has the bullets to his left. He asked me to hand him the clip
from the gun. And that's when I picked it up. I'm still kind of behind him a little bit
like he's sitting like this. I'm kind of sitting like this. >> Who's holding the gun at that point?
>> Me. So I reached for the gun to take the magazine or the clip out cuz he was going to reload it. He had the bullets
there. And all of a sudden, it went off and yeah, he it's uh it's hard to talk about
this still. >> Take me through that moment by moment. >> So, I lean over, I pick up the gun, and
I'm trying to click out the magazine, and it's not working. So, I'm holding it like this, and I'm trying to use the
moonlight or whatever to see if I'm clicking the right button. Jasmine says the barrel of the gun was
pointed to the left where Henry was sitting. >> Next thing I know, the gun went off.
>> And did you have a finger around the trigger? >> Not that I thought. >> Somehow you must have pulled the
trigger. >> I I I don't know. I I mean, it was an accident or the gun misfired, but
consciously did I pull the trigger? No. She says Henry Jamat never made a sound.
>> So the shot went off and he fell on top of me and all I could feel was warmth and I
later then realized he was bleeding on me. >> Jasmine says after the shot she struggled to get out from under Henry.
>> I was shaking him. I didn't know what to do. As I'm trying to wiggle my way free
to render aid, his body was slipping into the water from the dog. I didn't know what to do.
I didn't know if he was dead. >> She says it took time to make sense of what had happened.
>> It was a horrible accident. >> Taking Jasmine into custody, authorities discovered she was carrying a small
amount of cocaine. They didn't charge her with possession that night because it hadn't been tested yet.
>> Had you used cocaine that evening? >> No. >> Do you use cocaine? Do you have a drug
problem? >> I definitely do not have a drug problem at all. And I will say that the
substance that they found was not mine. >> Whose was it then? >> I don't think I can say that.
>> She said it wasn't hers. >> It's in her purse. Cherry Jamat, the police officer who
inspired her younger brother, King, to get his badge, isn't buying any of it. >> Do you believe that your brother on a
darkened night at the end of a pier at 12:45 in the morning was actually showing her how to use his Glock 9mm
pistol? >> My brother would never do a thing like that when it comes to firearm. He is so
skillful and he is so careful. You don't believe in any possible way this could have been an accident?
>> I cannot believe that. >> Cherry is hopeful that when the ballistics report is revealed, it will
lead prosecutors to upgrade the charge. >> Jasmine Harden should be charged for murder and not manslaughter.
>> Either way, Jasmine Hartin was about to run into a world of trouble a lot closer
to home. This is absolutely war. >> War with the billionaire family she once called her own.
>> Tonight we continue with the saga of Jasmine Harton versus Andrew Ashb. >> Andrew is inside hiding my kids inside.
Why won't you let me see the kids? Andrew, >> why won't you let me see the children?
[Music] From [Music] the swaying palms to the silent roads, journalist Shereice House and I went looking for Henry
Jamat's hometown roots. Peter, this is the hummingbird highway in Bise and it's the road to the culture
capital which is Dangria. That's where Henry Jamat grew up and where his family still lives.
>> We followed the dusty colorful streets of Dangria. >> Let's stop at that green house there.
I'm looking for where Henry Gamut used to live. >> And we're led to Henry Jamaat's nephew,
Edidel. >> This is it. >> He is clear on how his uncle died. murder >> and the whole family feels that way.
>> Everybody feels up here. >> But authorities charged Jasmine Harton with manslaughter, not murder. And
publicly, investigators have never suggested any motive for her to have intentionally killed Henry.
>> I had no motive to do that to my friend. >> But Henry's family believes the truth is
revealed in how and where he was shot. >> My brother was shot behind the air. execution style.
>> That shot echoed through a town famous for its music and drums. The beat Henry
Jamat loved. The heritage he was passing on to his children. >> We're getting close to the church where
Henry Jamat's funeral was held. >> As he had in life, the 42-year-old public servant
united the people of Bise. Wherever he goes, whatever he did, he shared that love with all of us.
>> But how to comfort sisters who lost the brother they lovingly called king. And how to answer six-year-old Henry
III's question. >> How comes my dad haven't called me? While Henry Jamat was mourned by a
nation, Jasmine Harton was getting a different kind of attention. And according to a prison official,
>> the 32year-old who will be dealt with like any other untried prisoner will become the only Caucasian among 141
inmates. >> Still, the people of Bise couldn't help but wonder if Jasmine's race, stature,
and wealth might benefit her. Then she was locked up for 13 days. >> Myself was infested with cockroaches.
>> Miss Arton, do you have anything to say? >> When she finally made bail, roughly
$15,000. It was paid for by an employee of the Ashcraftofts. But Jasmine was already
getting the feeling that her partner Andrew wanted her out of sight. The day that I got out, I was expecting to be
reunited with my children at home, but instead I was sent to a house in the middle of nowhere by myself without my
children without a phone. >> Andrew arranged for the house and for the twins to visit, but Jasmine claims
he only allowed them to see her one time. Andrew claims Jasmine left the house before he could arrange another
visit. and being apart from your children. What has that been like for you? >> That's one that will get me to cry. Um,
>> two weeks after making bail, Jasmine tried to visit the twins herself. >> My son and my daughter
>> at the Grand Colony where she had lived with Andrew Ashcraftoft. It was then that chaos broke out.
>> So, this is me recording. >> This is part of the video Jasmine shot. Andrew's running so I can't see my
children. Security is literally stopping me from seeing my children right now. >> In a statement, Andrew later wrote that
Jasmine was shouting and cursing and behaving aggressively toward the hotel staff.
>> You've been instructed by Andrew to stop me from seeing my children. That's correct.
>> He's just side hiding. >> Why won't you let me see the children? She is startled two days later when
she's arrested again, this time for assaulting a hotel staff member that day. >> All I did was try to collect my personal
belongings and see my children. >> And authorities add a charge for cocaine possession from the night of the Henry
Jamat shooting. >> This is absolutely ridiculous. >> Her bail is then revoked and she's
locked up again, >> but not for long. Tonight, after four more nights behind bars,
>> Jasmine was out again, her bail restrictions mandated she check in with police every day, a 4-hour roundtrip
drive across Bise from where she is staying. And so when you go in, what do you say?
>> Um, they ask me a series of questions where I'm staying, uh, my date of birth.
>> But this day's check-in, just 2 weeks after the confrontation at the hotel. Why are you keeping my children from me,
Andrew? >> Would prove anything but routine. >> Authorities hand her an order to appear
at a custody hearing, reciting Andrew's allegations >> for a reason that the mother of the
children hardly spends any time with the children. First of all, I was in jail. Andrew
Ashcroft seeks full custody of his children because Jasmine is charged with causing the death of a police officer by
negligence as well as the assault of that hotel employee and claims >> she is addicted to nonprescription
and illegal drugs and a habitual drunkard. >> It's a vividly different description of
the woman Andrew once welcomed into his rarified world. In my opinion, this is absolutely war.
This is absolutely gloves are off. >> The war would be about the custody of the children, a powerful family, and a
building international scandal. >> Money, power, image, and reputation mean absolutely everything to that family.
>> Next up in the war of the Ashcrofts, money. According to Jasmine, she's been cut off financially.
>> You didn't have a bank account, a trust fund, nothing that you could draw upon.
>> Not at all. >> Mr. Ash, is she an unfit mother? >> Andrew Ashcrooft declined to speak with
48 hours and his attorney says with legal proceedings underway, it would be quite ill advised to grant an interview.
The wheels had come off Jasmine Harton's life in paradise. and she was running scared.
>> I've been through what I would consider hell on earth. >> But the Jamaat family says they're the
ones going through hell as they continue to mourn the kind, conscientious man they believe Jasmine murdered.
>> She gave so many stories, so who knows when she's telling the truth. Central to Jasmine's story is that she
knew very little about handguns and that Henry wanted to teach her. But recently,
images have appeared of Jasmine in Bise with a shotgun. >> What does that video tell you?
>> That video tell me that Jasmine is wellversed, have wide knowledge of bigger firearms. This is you with a
semi-automatic rifle. >> Yes. >> It has a magazine, a clip. So, I'm guessing you know how to take out a
magazine and reinserted into a weapon. >> That picture was from 2012 when I was at a Las Vegas shooting
range. They don't let you load your firearms. What the video doesn't show is that it
really was probably my 10th attempt at the watermelon. I'm not very good with firearms.
>> Jasmine says she knew next to nothing about handguns. >> I do not know how to handle a 9 mm
properly at all. As we can tell, >> it would come down to this. Was the gun used to kill Henry Jamont fired by
accident? >> We asked an expert. >> Is it easy to accidentally fire this weapon?
There's a lot writing on Jasmine Harton's account of Henry Jamat's shooting. So, we wanted an expert
opinion about whether her story lines up. >> What are you holding in your hand? >> This is a Glock 17 9mm pistol. It's the
same type of weapon that was used in the shooting incident that occurred in BISE.
>> David Katz is a former DEA agent and a veteran firearms instructor who taught
at the FBI DEA Academy in Quantico. If used properly, how safe is a Glock 17? >> These are an extremely safe.
>> Cat says Glock handguns are designed to withstand almost any amount of jostling
without accidentally firing. >> I could bang it. I could drop it. It's not going to go off.
>> But Cat says there's one notable exception. a potential key to understanding what
happened on that pier. We showed him portions of my interview with Jasmine. >> I'm trying to get the magazine out.
>> As you can see from Jasmine's gestures, she says she was fumbling around to release the gun's magazine.
>> If her finger was on the trigger and the trigger moved to the rear with 5 lbs of
pressure, the gun's going to go bang. Pulling the trigger on Glock pistols can be easier
than on some other handguns, says Catz. >> This is a Glock. >> And accidental trigger pulls could
happen to anyone, even to veterans like this DEA agent who accidentally shot himself.
Let me get a sense of how much force it'll take to to fire this weapon. >> That feels pretty light to me.
>> Yeah, it's 5.5 lbs. >> Consciously, did I pull the trigger? No. >> Even though Jasmine says she doesn't
remember, she had to have pulled the trigger. >> There's no doubt about it. She pulled
the trigger. Cat says trigger accidents can result from something called sympathetic
contraction in which contracting one hand muscle triggers others too. >> Let's assume you put your finger on the
trigger in this position. You squeeze the bottom fingers, your trigger finger is going to similarly squeeze as well.
>> Another possible factor, alcohol. Jasmine says both she and Henry Jamat had been drinking that night.
There is no better way to get yourself hurt than by messing with firearms when you are impaired.
>> I was under the impression that the gun was completely empty at that time. >> One or both of them could have unloaded
the magazine, says Catz, forgetting there was a bullet ready to fire in the chamber.
Based on what you've heard her say and what you know about the Glock 17, could this have been an accidental shooting?
>> Yeah, it could have been. It's a troubling story from so many aspects starting with why you know why she's
practicing in the dark but then when she talks about where her hand was when the
round went off. Could it have been an accidental discharge? Absolutely yes. >> We don't know what forensics,
ballistics, or other tests authorities have conducted. Prosecutors aren't saying
>> I have no idea what evidence they have against me because they haven't released
any of it yet. [Music] But Jasmine says Henry's sister Cherry confronted her when the two women met by
chance in July of 2021. I said, "Jasmine, why did you kill my brother?" Her response was,
"I'm sorry, it was an accident." I told her, "Jasmine, you don't know what you have done to my
family. Do you believe you deserve any sort of legal punishment for what happened on that pier?
>> I believe that it's an it's it was an accident and I do accept any punishment
that comes my way. >> Under Blelesian law, she could get as much as 5 years for negligent
manslaughter, but also as little as a fine without any more jail time. It would be an injustice to the family.
>> Ever since his funeral, Henry Jamat has watched over his family from a portrait
on the wall. >> The children would sit in the sofa and they play with him up there.
>> Jasmine lost custody of her children in 2022 and is not allowed to visit them
anymore. [Music] and giving the enduring mystery of exactly what happened that night.
Jasmine Hartin may forever live under a cloud of suspicion. >> It's haunting me.
I think about how his poor kids must feel being without their dad. And I wish I could take it back.
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The episode examines Dale Pike's murder, Enrico Forti's wrongful conviction, and the quest for justice by the Pike family.

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The Hotel Deal. The sale of Pike's Hotel to Enrico Fort raised suspicions among Dale's family.
Suspicion on Thomas Canot. Thomas Canot, a friend of the Pike family, becomes a suspect in the murder.
Brad Pike's Journey. Brad Pike returns to Miami to confront the past and seek answers about his brother's murder.
A Night of High Spirits. George and Jennifer enjoy a night at the casino, but things take a dark turn later.
Speculation and Accusations. As details emerge, questions arise about George's disappearance and Jennifer's involvement.
The Tape's Dark Secrets. A video reveals callous remarks about George's death, raising suspicions.

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