The Stars Over Salem with Special Guest Aliza Kelly | Morbid| Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and I'm Alisa and this is a special edition of
[Music] morbid so special this is so cool we have Alisa Kelly on the show today bestselling author professional
astrologer and host of PA's new show horoscope weekly with Alisa Kelly welcome welcome thank you so much I'm so
excited to be here a fellow weirdo I love that a lifelong weirdo weirdo The Vibes are right yes we knew immediately
we were like oh weirdos unite I mean I can I could sniff out a weirdo from miles away so yeah this is perfect home
sweet home for me you love it game see game so we're going to be getting into Alena's Roman Empire uh the Salem Witch
Trials again I know you all said that before Ash did they were like oh we're talking about Sal they like really
either Jack the Ripper or Salem was one of those two things one of the two but we're putting a fun spin on it this time
and we're going to talk about like the astrological events that were going on and um just to start us off Alisa how
did you get into astrology was it something you've always been interested in was it something that just like
knocked on your door well I mean it's sort of a combination I mean as as I mentioned lifelong weirdo here you know
so I don't think that anyone was surprised when I started to gravitate more towards astrology but at the same
time I was really quite surprised by it I was in my early 20s I was living in Los Angeles I was at that time working I
had graduated with a degree in art history I was working in Galleries and I was finding myself increasingly
dissatisfied with my life and just feeling that I mean what we all go through in our early
or many of us do the sense of like confusion who am I what am I doing and I started to try to solve that puzzle and
I found my birth chart I found out that Not only was I a Leo's son which I related to a little bit but not fully
but discovering I was a Pisces moon really oh my God at that it's a big breakthrough when you get that placement
yeah and it unlocked so much for me and then from there I just you know I kept researching
I kept studying um and then I started to realize that you know this language was
something that wasn't just applicable to me but other people were also interested
in my interpretations of what was going on with their charts so gradually it just started to build and there was a
whole Host this was 10 years ago now so this there was a whole host of things that happened I started an astrology
dating app in 10 years ago with a friend from college we were sort of ahead of the curve on that such a cool idea yeah
it was amazing I mean it was also right when Tinder and hinge and all of this were coming out smart so it was sort of
recognizing like here's an interesting space where people want to be making these connections but it right now it's
so superficial um so just s starting to realize and starting to sort of create this more modern vocabulary around
astrology has always been something that was really significant and meaningful to
me especially because when I started it was still very much reserved for like cookie aunts in Santa Fe you know like
it was like you were wearing like big turquoise jewelry and like going through beads to talk about astrology and I
wanted to find a way to make it relevant um because I saw how valuable it was and
how instrumental it was for helping people connect the dots and figure out who they were holistically and that's
what I've really been doing in in various ways in various formats ever since um I am really so passionate about it
because I really think it is a beautiful way of building confidence empowerment compassion understanding who you are
understanding what the people in your life are about and of course we can use it for cool things like looking back
into the past like what we're going to do today right and seeing what was going on what were the trends and that is
really valuable you know it's valuable to see patterns and to recognize where things keep coming up where those pain
points are so that we can ideally learn from them and not do Salem with trials all over again that's right that's the
thing because I feel like everybody knows their sun sign and like knows a little bit about astrology but when you
really start to look into it it can tell you all these different things and like
looking into the Stars over Salem I feel like it's going to be so interesting yeah and what you said about like being
more like like knowing more about yourself when you start learning more about your zodiac and like what's your
chart what's going on that's what cuz Ash like started getting into it and telling me more about things about me
and it helped me understand you better and it helped me understand myself better and it's like and then helped me
understand you know like my relationship with you like a Gemini why certain things like work and why certain things
are like iffy and why certain you know why we do this and it's I I don't think people look into it far enough that way
and it's like it's really helpful when you it can make you sit there and go like oh that's why I'm that way like
that checks like validates something always said is that to me you know the question of whether astrology is or
isn't real is less significant than recognizing that when we have astrological conversations we have
better conversations we have richer conversations we open up we're vulnerable we really are like allowing
ourselves to be multi-dimensional which is Tru but it's often you know we whether or not we are even intending to
we sort of stick to our own stereotypes you we we are a certain way and we show up
as that way and with astrology we are reminded of the fact that no how you present yourself might not be how you
feel and how you communicate might not be what motivates you and that each one of these pieces of you has its own
merits and has its own strengths and also of course its own weaknesses so that we can see holistically how we sort
of move through the world yeah absolutely I think the more into you into it you the harder it is to deny
that it's real and I think having this conversation today is going to prove that big time yeah I mean I will never
argue with the efficacy of astrology I've seen it it changed my life in or you know working with it and
understanding how these planets move and seeing their patterns is is really wild
you know it's it was wild to be an astrologer in 20120 and it was wild to be an astrologer in 2018 and 2019
looking at the astrology of 202 something big is coming God just not knowing what it was yeah and I have you
all of my receipts from back then in sort of being like you know let's keep focused on 2020 cuz something is really
interesting going to have in here wow not of course knowing what it was because that was not within my sort of
purview to understand but then at that time to see okay when Jupiter and Saturn connect these types of things happen as
has been reported over history when Saturn and Pluto connect these types of things happen and it all really lined up
so I really you know it's been for this duration of time for a decade of doing astrology I can say that it is there is
really something to it you know it really does check out and it definitely checks out in these charts too it's
going to be so interesting to hear some of these things I feel like it's going to be like dingding all of a sudden it's
just going be like oh okay so that was happening because it's a mass hysteria event that you no one's been able to
explain I mean people go into like the Urgot poisoning Theory where it's like you know there was a fungus on the wheat
that they were making the bread with and everybody to it lose it and it's like but maybe there's more to this like that
mass hysteria just seemed too much for like you know a fungus to be the reason or for just people having group think to
be the reason it's like maybe there is something that was going on that kind of set everybody off yeah and I guess you
know what I how I want to sort of preface all of this is that when we talk about astrology we have to remind
ourselves that we can't and we're not talking about it on a binary of good or bad um astrology is much more complex
than just there being a positive and negative right like there's lots of manifestations of how these different
planets in their different zodiac signs can come to fruition so just because if you know if we find ourselves talking
about Gemini which we're going to gem Gemini listeners are all Salem witch trial are accusers you know yeah
exactly it doesn't mean that they are the ones who are they're the problem right it's not us guys they're not the
problem it's it's interesting because we're definitely going to talk about a lot of things that are sort of oddly
parallel to where we are today and it doesn't mean that we are currently living in the same conditions as
these Puritans we're living in in colonial America you know obviously life is very different and things are very
different but what's cool about astrology is that we can start to see well if we take this path instead of
another path this is how these energies could play out right the and in the case
of these Tri and in all of these individuals who were involved in it they were definitely
doing sort of like the less ideal version of their signs and of these def but that doesn't mean that they had
to you know how it played out here in this context so that's sort of like my disclaimer as we go into this I mean
I'll also I will say no Capricorn to be found among this whole thing but but that doesn't even mean anything I'm just
saying I'm just saying I'm sure you have your own you're like the Crusades I going to say I'm sure we
have we'll find the Capricorn era we will find one Alisa's return to morbid will be the Capricorn era y like I found
one this is what you did exactly can you explain exactly what a birth chart is just in case people don't
know what because we're going to be talking about a lot of dates a lot of birthdays just so people understand like
what this is all encompassing so a birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the ex
act moment of a birth or an event so when we look at a birth chart we can see where all of the planets were in at that
moment and each planet in astrology has a role it has something that it's doing it's signifying something and then the
way in which it does that thing that it does is in the zodiac sign that it occupies so if we have the planet Uranus
which is the planet of Revolution and Innovation it's going to express itself differently in in Taurus which is an
earth sign it's about sort of groundedness and practicality versus in Gemini which is an air sign that has to
do with Curiosities and Innovation and and new sort of connections and new ways of thinking so when we look at all of
these different planets we're going to get a sense of what was the atmosphere what was going on in the backdrop of
this time and especially as we look to see sort of these events unfolding what's cool and what I observed as I was
pulling them is that there's sort of this Crescendo that happens um throughout this year and again you know
there were many points where it didn't have to go as far as it went and to me that's also really compelling because
there were so many points where it was like you could you have this big thing coming up and we're going to talk about
what that big thing was in the year 1692 and we sort of Applied this storyline to that big thing and that's
how it manifested unfolded in this case that's so I'm so excited to get into this cuz I feel this is just such an
interesting way to look at this definitely so I think what we'll start with is we're going to start with where
it all kicked off so the Salem Witch Trials began in January 1692 um they didn't end until May 1693
we'll go through a few dates in between there um but I think what we'll start with is can we start with when they all
began in January yeah and I love this because I think that this chart really sort of
establishes what was happening right and this chart to me this we have this January 15 1692 date and this sort of
kicks off um the story right so this is really the birth chart of the Salem with
which trial to me a good way of looking at it it is yeah and there's some really
interesting things so well it was Capricorn season oh no boom Oh we found it we found it right off the bat right
the first thing univers being like sit downa Max Elena sit down she did start during Capricorn
season damn so but when we look at um something as significant as this we're not going to pay as much attention to
the personal planets is what they're called which are the Sun the moon Mercury Venus we'll pay a little
attention to Mars because it's kind of between those but those planets that I just mentioned before they're important
but they aren't as much of the generational backdrop as the slower moving planets so Mars is sort of a a
between but definitely Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune and Pluto we're really curious about what's going on with those
because those are defining what that Zeitgeist is that's what the era is um so some interesting things going on at
this time we had Jupiter and Taurus uh I'll go through it first so sort of run down the list um so we actually it's
when it starts on January 15th 1692 we have Mars retrograde in Gemini Jupiter is in Taurus Uranus is in Gemini that's
a really important one so flag that we have um Saturn in Sagittarius also something to flag Neptune is in Pisces
and Pluto is in the final degrees of being in cancer so all of that um there each one of these planets is doing
something specific and unique at this time but when I pulled this chart the first thing that stood out to me was
Jupiter and Taurus that's kind of familiar we actually just had Jupiter in Taurus in the sky right now Jupiter was
in Taurus all of last year in 2023 oh wow so that terrifying you know but that happens that's not that crazy that
happens every 12 years so okay there's a cycle around that but then as I kept sort of poking around I also was
thinking about and anticipating that throughout this year we're going to have Jupiter sinking up with Uranus at some
point in in 1692 that just just happened and that one isn't that common oh that's just
happened where Jupiter and Uranus that was April of 2024 that those two synced up again and then as I'm continuing to
go around here I see Neptune is in Pisces in this chart Neptune is in Pisces right now wow in the sky wow and
that one is really rare that one is a really that's an 144 year orbit so that one does not happen very often that's
it's it's very special to have Neptune and Pisces and I would say that Neptune and Pisces is going to be a very plays a
very significant role in all of this in all of these trials um for us right now Neptune went into Pisces in 2011 and is
going to be leaving Pisces in 2025 so we're at the final end of Neptune's journey through Pisces I'm going to
explain what this means in just a bit as well but just sort of to this is my like
flyby of what's going on here um the last thing that is really curious to me is that we had Pluto which is the planet
of transformation at the final degrees of cancer why is that so interesting well currently we have Pluto at the
final degrees of Capricorn Cancer and Capricorn are opposites so it's exactly 180° away from where it was during the
Salem Witch Trials wow so when I told this chart I was shook yeah I was shooketh because I knew that this chart
was going to be interesting duh interesting thing but not that interesting not that interesting not
such a parallel to where things are right now wow which then of course is why I needed to have this little preface
at the beginning cuz I don't want to scare people into being like oh no it's coming Tri but there is something to be
said for where we are now we find ourselves you know quite a lot into the future from this time and yet somehow I
I can imagine that we can relate to this story of mass hysteria and that it is something that we as a society are
constantly needing to sort of check ourselves was just going to say always have to check ourselves before it tips
over yes and obviously the conditions of being in colonial America are very different than today but it is
interesting how with similar sort of transits we find ourselves almost always edging on mass hysteria wow that is wild
that is interesting we're just somehow better able to pull it back from the brink this time but if it was in a
different environment a different time a different you know series going it could
keep tipping over yes and because we have stories like this right stories like this are powerful reminders of what
could happen if we don't reain it in I don't know if if our friends here you know all of the names that we're going
to start mentioning the Proctors the cor the Putnams if was there a precedent for
this at that time that they were citing and referencing and being like careful because in the year 13
were these scary things like they were so probably swept up in this moment that they weren't aware of the fact that this
was that there was a sort of a cautionary tale to be said for it and it does feel like there's so many and I'm
sure we'll get to like there's so many times during these trials where you're like you could have stopped like you
could have stopped why isn't anyone stopping like why are we taking it further and they just didn't they just
kept tipping it over and they kept making it worse and worse finally it did explode and everybody's like wait a
second maybe we've overdone it here maybe this isn't okay yeah that's exactly right so just to sort of
summarize what these planets are doing here and sort of the the snapshot of the sky when the trials began um there was a
really interesting we were sort of walking this line and we were at this Edge between story lines which is kind
of where we find ourselves right now with Pluto being in the final degrees of cancer Pluto is the planet of
transformation but it also is the underbelly of things it really likes to go deep and expose it's definitely very
connected to sort of the esoteric and the Arcane and witchy things love that yeah love it I mean witch witch is great
we love witches yeah people being falsely accused of Witchcraft don't love it right don't
love that ha that actually it and I feel like that's sort of you know it this chart want wanted
to understand yeah you know this chart was really deeply trying to get to what is the truth of what is going on here
and I think that it backfired abely I think you know I it it sort of where that truth was was misdirected but I can
relate to this chart in it being very curious in it being very sort of um interested in what is going on behind
the scenes and trying to understand sort of the core narrative and I think the attention was really on sort of like
what's you know there's all of these weird things happening but what's really at the root of it like what's the Deep
narrative here and it was this false accusation you know is what is how they manifested that on a good day this chart
could be a cult chart could be witchy this chart could be interested in journalism you know this chart could be
sort of spilling the tea but it wouldn't and exposing things but it would do so with more morals attached to it rain it
in a little makes sense and it's true because this this exposed so much these trials like these they exposed the
issues with puritanism it exposed the issues with the colony as a whole Expos some you know issues with the trial
system how they laws that they were coming it's big families in Salem and the surrounding you know towns that were
doing things out of vengefulness and you know grabbing land whenever they could so it exposed so much right like in a
horrible way it's horrible that we had to go through all that to expose all these things but it really it was a huge
exposition of people for sure right and that's really interesting because it's what they thought they were exposing
turned out to be the the falsity right but what was actually exposed was the Injustice and was the sort of the the
power dynamics and it was the this really Wackadoo court system it's so true yeah big time which is wild well
this is so when when it first began it was basically Betty Paris and Abigail Williams who were the first accusers and
they were um they you know they got our girl Tiba they got Sarah Osborne and they got Sarah good for the you know why
they were Afflicted and the examinations of the accused began on March 1st of 1692 so I feel like that's a pretty
pertinent date cuz that's when it all kind of kicked off of them doing the physical examinations starting to bring
the spectral stuff in that's when things started getting wacky so on this day on
March for 1692 um it was Pisces season the sun was at 11 degrees of Pisces and it was making a conjunction to Neptune I
mentioned Neptune a minute ago Neptune is the planet of usion and delusion Neptune Neptune things it's it can be
very mystical um very spiritual very sort of between Realms if we're using Neptune correctly it's sort of our
ability to be able I mean it's our imagination it's spectral evidence right it's it's our fantasy world that makes
sense it also interestingly Neptune has to do with the entertainment industry which I think is another interesting
sort of modern uh Association SM mirrors the sun represents of how we are navigating a dayto day right it's sort
of this wherever the sun is this is what was going on at that moment and the backdrop of it was that it was connected
to this very elusive mysterious planet in the sign of Pisces which is also the last sign of the zodiac also a water
sign elusive mysterious so Sun Neptune conjunction we would absolutely say that that is
something that has it's high fantasy High fantasy wow yeah look at that spunkers a square to an exact Square to
Saturn at 11 degrees of Sagittarius Saturn is the planet of rules restriction responsibilities and it also
it's your house planet yes it is Capricorn is ruled by Saturn um and Saturn also represents the Le system ah
so we have this High fantasy making this really tight aspect to Saturn in Sagittarius Sagittarius also has to do
with philosophy religion the legal system so we're seeing a very religious legal system and then we have this harsh
aspect of square connecting this like Fantastical realm to the legal system and to yes and to our sort of um
rigorous religious beliefs wow so that's crazy how spot on that is for everything
happening right and I have I have Goosebumps because the party doesn't just end there so the sun was at 11°
Saturn was at 11° and Jupiter was at 11° Jupiter also has to do with the amplification of things making something
bigger wow so there was just the the overall message of this chart was like things are changing
guess what it's based on fantasy fantasy fantasy land and we're going to bring it
into the legal system which is supposed to be based on logic but it's ruled by religion here great that's exactly it
and throughout these charts we see this sort of um well at this point in the charts we don't this actually we end up
sort of losing sight of this as this the year goes on but at this point in the charts there's this really interesting
counterbalance between what is real what can I rely on what is factual and then what is fantasy right and there's this
sort of battle between these two things and eventually we end up sort of completely surrendering to the fantasy
world you know but as of right now it's this tension it's this sort of like I want this to be a I want this to be a a
nice place to live like we want things to be safe here we're doing this for the people right yeah the greater good yeah
the greater good yes but I I guess I should say that the backdrop of this is that we've we're sort of losing touch
with reality progressively definitely absolutely and it really is this is when it went from like they're Afflicted what
could this be and then accusations and this is when it jumped up that Notch to the examination period so it makes sense
that that's that like kick up to the next level yes that's so scary that's terrifying so the next date we have is
May 14th 1692 this is when this is significant because it's when Sir William fips arrived to take his role as
the royal governor and William fips does play a big role in all of this eventually ending them or at least
effectively ending them but this is when he took his role so this is when he began ruling over so the main thing that
I'm noticing in this chart when I pulled this up is that we have two really uh strong conjunctions happening again a
conjunction is when multiple planets are meeting at the same point so we have a Sun and Jupiter conjunction the sun was
at 24° of Taurus Jupiter was at 27° of Taurus Jupiter is the planet of expansion the sun represents sort of
what we are doing in that day so this is sort of exposing that the events that took place on this day are going to be
big right it's sort of being like this is important pay attention to what's happening right now interesting Sun
Jupiter is also generally considered very lucky so there's a sort of if you were to look at this chart you would say
this there's a sort of like a a something is fortunate or auspicious in the background of this chart um another
interesting thing is that Pluto that planet of transformation that wants to get to the underbelly of things and Mars
which is the planet of action and motivation are connected at this time too so simultaneously there's something
fortunate and auspicious and that desire to want to uncover gets louder and louder wow so those two stories are both
very present in this chart wow it almost seems like they're like fighting each other with him being appointed Governor
maybe that's the fortunate thing because eventually he's going to be the one that
says like hey this is a little crazy but first he's fighting this whole like is this really happening with the witches
is it not happening do I bring these people to Justice do I not do I want to cleanse our community like I want to go
with this yeah and there and it's there is this sort of true deep innate desire to want to figure out what is the root
of what is going on you know and I think that if we give this the benefit of the
doubt it's very Earnest you know it's very Earnest of like there's something something's weird here in this Colony
you know something's off something's rot in the state of s you know so what's going on here and I suppose it was
pretty fortunate that like you know that William fips was appointed governor and
not somebody who would have kept this going and maybe taken it even taken it further I'm not saying he did the
greatest job but like he did you know I feel like somebody else could have been a lot worse and it makes sense that he
didn't do the greatest job cuz he's got this internal battle in the Stars he might be doing the right thing but then
realizes he is not yes interesting very interesting one this one feels like it's going to be
like a pretty big moment it's May 27th 1692 it's when seven judges are appointed to the court of oror and
terminer oror and terminer I I've mentioned this in the episodes we've covered this it means to hear and
determine and they made this for this and it's Bartholomew gney Nathaniel Sultan stall John hathorne William
Sergeant Samuel Seawall weight still winthrip which I still think is a really cool name even though not a great guy
it's a banger Willam Sten it's a b great could star but uh that's when they were all
appointed to this court to oversee the trials which is a big deal so I mean it's this is definitely the Tipping
Point feels like it would be May 27th 1692 let's never forget the date because at this on this day Jupiter goes into
Gemini so Jupiter leaves Taurus right and we talked about Jupiter being sort of whatever is expanded Jupiter expands
whatever it's next to so we have this expansive energy now in Gemini at Z degrees it just went in and astrology
heads will know that when a planet goes first enter as a new zodiac sign that energy is off the charts oh it's like
Amplified yeah it it's really it's here to party it's here to party it enter Gemini very loud and we're here to party
and and guess where Jupiter is in the sky right now friends is it in Gemini in Gemini oh that's why I want a party yes
and it's also like kind of chaos yeah it's I love it a little chaotic it's breath summer in the worst
way so Jupiter is moved into Gemini and then we have Uranus in Gemini and then we have the sun in Gemini and then
Chiron the planet of or the asteroid the comet actually of um wounds of our deepest wounds is in Gemini and Mercury
is in Gemini so we have what is called a stellium this is when multiple planets are meeting at the same point in the sky
in Gemini and at this point all of that sort of tan rationality that Jupiter was
holding on to is gone it's it's we are now in a different realm impulsivity station we're in Gemini and I want to
sort of take a moment here because Gemini always gets a lot of push back our Gemini friends are constantly being
ridiculed tell me about it sister yeah tell me about it and there's Geminis are not evil there's nothing inherently evil
about a g Gemini's rule Gemini's rule I think that you know what we should know about Gemini is that they're the first
air sign they're symbolized by the Twins and people spin that to be like oh Jackal and hide maybe I just have a
duality that you don't understand exactly cuz twins are not two- faced that's not what they are so it's a
totally wrong assertion that's exactly right Gemini and twins are are there's they're separate right there's a and
what the symbol symbolizes astrologically is that Geminis are so curious they're so interested in
multiple things that they had to duplicate themselves in order for them to be able to do all of the things and
accomplish all the things that they're they're passionate about so it's really less about like one side and then the
other side and it's more like if we're all so busy that we can't make time in the day to do everything then I have to
just be two people so I can touch upon all the things I'm interested exactly so I think that often our uh push back of
Gemini is really a push back of our own Duality right and it's more it it exposes the the person who is shading on
Gemini as someone who can't really handle their own complexities so Justice for Geminis thank you so much for that
yes I had to say that cuz we're about to really talk [ __ ] about gemin as I say
that I'm not saying that Ash started the Salem Witch Trials but I'm not not saying well I had to say that because
this is now this this this is when the Turning Point happens right this is when the the trials go from we're trying to
do what's best for our community into full-blown Mass hysteria now it's Witch Hunt yes and it's gossip because that is
one of the you know we we can't deny that Geminis love the tea has a sign has a trait that could be
taken either way yeah yeah it's true so in this case um what's really interesting to me is that and we we
mentioned this at the beginning of the episode this Jupiter Uranus conjunction that is looming in you know is sort of
we it's coming in the year 1692 we're working towards this Jupiter Uranus conjunction the same Jupiter Uranus
conjunction we just had in April of this past year however we had it in the sign
of Taurus now in 1692 it's happening in Gemini Uranus will be in Gemini in 2025 but we will or 2026 but we will cross
that bridge when we get I'm so scared y so Jupiter and Uranus um are coming together or they're they're soon to be
coming together and the energy around this Uranus being the planet of innovation Revolution shocking things is
that we are moving towards a Witch Hunt Revolution with this chart and the judges being appointed to this court is
really marking a new era for what this place is going to be what the the standard what the precedent is so as we
will soon see laws come back right laws that had been overturn come back into the fold and that's because it's a
revolution they're not seeing this as something that's a regression they're seeing this as something that is
actually really Innovative which is new rules new way of doing things and they see themselves as being highly
Progressive for how they're approaching this that makes sense that they saw it that way it really does it does
absolutely and again we see this this stellium in Gemini is now making an opposition to Saturn and Sagittarius
which we talked about before as sort of our anchor of what the legal system was an opposition is uh 180° apart so it's
sort of being pulled in different directions on one hand we have like we want as much information as possible
says this Gemini stellium come in with all of your freaky ass spectral evidence whatever you have bring it we'll listen
to it we listen we'll listen we love it we will hear and determine and like there's no rules to
what it could be because the evidence can come from any place in any way what ever meanwhile Saturn is now outnumbered
with all of this so Saturn and Sagittarius is like okay well I guess if this is going to be the philosophy if
this is going to be the court system so be it so Saturn now has to sort of Bend to all of these Gemini
planets and it's it's changing the structure of the court because of it wow that makes so much sense like it really
does when you lay it out like that and it's so interesting when you said like it entered at 0 degrees and all just
pops off from there like and it gets it gets more intense as we go so absolutely
because you already mentioned on June 8th 1692 my birthday Ash's again I'm not saying
Ash K Justice for but that's when they did bring back an old Massachusetts law that was made
obsolete by another law against hangings they bring that back to allow execution
by hanging now so they were like I know we got r that and it's we miss it though
we're going to pull that back in here because why not yeah and for them they're like no this is actually this is
this is mity yeah look at us going into the future yes and in this futuristic Utopia we recognize that the
witches are among us and to protect our community we got to be executing them left and right we the heroes heres to
this let's go and I think of course you know this is such a cautionary tale of what how at any point in time something
that then you look back and you're like that's barbaric and bananas Y at the moment felt really Innovative and
Progressive like we're doing what we need to do to keep everyone safe yes and I don't think that it was even you know
looking at these charts I don't think that there was even a consideration of the fact that they were doing something
cruel and unusual no wow and you can tell they didn't feel that way and it it's interesting for me because you know
there's a different version of this story with planets in different signs right where we might interpret more of
that sort of like they were getting freaky you know like they wanted to really do some they wanted to be
experimental but like this is really like we think we're doing the right thing we think we're being Progressive
we want to collect all of the data we want all of the information and we're going to be the leaders in the colony
yeah we're going to show everyone else how to do things yes and we're not going to have this issue again it's going to
go perfectly fine don't worry about it everyone cuz it was literally only two days later on June 10th is when they had
their first execution of Bridget Bishop so right away yeah they brought in this law and
then they immediately put it into motion they were like who two days later we can hang
someone y like crazy yeah and at this time we have that same sort of that that motion that movement towards Jupiter
Uranus um and that conjunction is is we're actually at the height of it Jupiter is
at 3° Uranus is at 6° they're only three degre three degrees away from each other
uh within the week they're going to be forming that exact conjunction that's W wild and that and again 3 days after
that so within that same time period yeah that's when the church the Salem Church excommunicated Rebecca nurse who
was this like Pious churchgoing woman who everyone loved well into her cuz I have like a special place in my heart
for Rebecca breaks my Justice for Rebecca but they excommunicated her in the same week so it's like when all that
was going on it was just going up and up and up and again probably thinking they're being doing what they need to do
to keep the church clean setting the new standard setting that new standard that
like you're going to be excommunicated if you are accused of this right which is so scary right and what we see in
that case is that even though this very Pious woman and Community member who was
very beloved was you know it was it was unfathomable to think that this person could be a witch because this data is
being presented new types of evidence new types of material that Gemini like I want to hear it I want to hear it bring
it bring uned un like which again you know and it's It's haunting for me because here I am an astrologer and it's
a once again an election year and all I want to remind people is that with Jupiter and Gemini right now make sure
that you are really looking at the sources do we know know how to tell whether something is propaganda or not
absolutely so important and it's the same thing here the exact same so if they were just letting it all through
yes that's crazy and especially you know we have these similar sort of parallels
happening I I have no problem with AI like I'm not one of those people that thinks that AI is going to maybe I
should think it's going to take over more frankly know you never know but with all of that it's right now being
deemed as very Innovative right it's being deemed as very Progressive feels very much for and we have and we are
collecting all of the data right and it's like this we're giving all of the data to these different technologies
that we don't really understand right now and I'm just you know I just want to put that there I just want to let it sit
think but it doesn't take a look yeah I mean but I don't know I yeah because it really is a very I mean it's a very much
a parallel yes it makes a lot of sense it really does oh it's I'm like I have chills I know and that was like a short
period of time that's like you know in June like Bam Bam Bam they were just they were getting this started and it
clearly a lot happens throughout the rest of the year but we're going to bump it to September of 1692 because I think
that's when things started Shifting the other way that's when we went through all the turmoil that had been clearly
building up to a crescendo at this point but in September of 1692 the court of oor and terminer stopped meeting because
that's when people started going wait a second what are we doing here you're not
hearing and determining anything you're hearing everything and determining nothing only determining one thing every
change this it is interesting now that when you when I hear you say that as we're talking about Gemini and sagge the
hearing and determining I mean I feel like that is the spirit of the Gemini and Sagittarius Act ESS is hearing and
determining yeah my big three like oh my God but less determining more hearing more hearing everything unbedded
unfiltered not enough sag energy taking it all we need more of the sagge Saturn was in Sag but it was being totally
outnumbered by all of the Gemini mhm so now but interestingly um at this time you know that conjunction we are sort of
moving away from it that conjunction between Jupiter and Uranus had happened Jupiter is now at 20° of Gemini um so
that stellium that big you know if you I'll show I'll show you guys the chart but like it's in May on May 27th when
those uh when those judges were appointed it's like a massive amount of planets pooling in one area by the time
we get to mid-september it's dissipated there's no more stellium it's all sort of broken up it's a much more I don't
want to say there's nothing abnormal about a stellium but it's just a much more well balanced chart yeah that makes
sense and interestingly Saturn has more agency and control again now in the chart because it's not being outnumbered
by all of these you know heavy duty um Gemini placements that are sort of pulling at it on the from the other
direction so now the loudest aspect is actually the aspect between Uranus and Saturn Uranus is at 9° it's going
retrograde Saturn is at 6° Sagittarius so we have a Uranus Saturn Opposition Saturn has more power Saturn has more
strength to be like what's going on here a second let's take a re at all this we
need to stop hearing everything yes more determining more determining with facts
also at this on this day the moon was in Sagittarius as well so the moon and Saturn were working together to be like
cut it that was really interesting we love the moon yeah the moon comes through yes I mean we it's definitely things are
very in a short amount of time the sky is really different wow and it makes and it just when you look at the events it
just makes so much sense building building building and then it just kind of like slowly dissipates cuz it does
feel like it's suddenly slowly dis that's exactly what happened I mean if you were to show me these charts with no
sort of events Associated I would be like whoa what were we working up towards and then I would see the drop
off it slowly trickle like everything's fine now okay but what was going on there what's over there that little one
in the middle is everyone all right trials made it out of that and then the next thing and this kind of goes back to
our governor fips our friend Governor fips over there who apparent was there was fortune in the sky when he became
governor on October 29th 1692 that's when he after the court stopped convening um he ordered a stop to any
more arrests in the trial for witchcraft you didn't want anyone else arrested for
it and he later would in in the following year he later pardoned everybody remaining in jail so he did do
his part to make sure everybody was let out yeah just about 6 months after he stopped but it began October 29th 1692
is when he stopped the arrest so no about no more witchcraft arrests were going to happen it's interesting you
know obviously we know that this date is very close to Halloween um for me you know just spiritually I think that
that's really interesting because that marks a it's a threshold you know Halloween October 31st is the halfway
point between the Autumn Equinox and the winter solstice and it's you know known
to be this sort of transitional time so I just think that it's interesting that that timing is sort of like so close to
Halloween that we say like this is enough you know like this isn't this is spooky in the worst way we're not going
to make this spooky anymore yeah um the thing that stands out to me as we get into these you know the the fall of the
year the fall of 1692 is that Pluto the planet of transformation goes into Leo so it's not
in those late degrees of cancer anymore it shifts into a new zodiac sign and again as we talked about with Jupiter
going into Gemini when a planet goes into a new sign it's really notable it's really big it's really
significant now what's Wild is that currently Pluto is in the late degrees of Capricorn and is sort of teetering on
Pluto going into Aquarius these are the exact opposite sister signs of what was going on here so cancer is the opposite
of Capricorn Leo is the opposite of Aquarius Pluto was going through the last degrees of cancer into the early
degrees of Leo during the Salem Witch Trials it's currently in the last degrees of Capricorn going into aquarius
so we have this mirror image of that same Turning Point Energy of that same sort of threshold you know
who knew this was going to be so topical for right now I certainly didn't who could have known CRA wild seriously so
what that says to me and what we've been talking about as it relates to current events in astrology is being at a in a
transitional time well currently as we are in the late degrees of Capricorn for Pluto we're sort of seeing like
wow something needs to give right like we reaching sort of a Breaking Point in our culture
and it's like hard to exactly pinpoint what it is but we know that it's just gotten very loud and very exhausting
really has and we're looking for something new we're looking for Change and that's exactly what was happening at
that time um Pluto was entering Leo it was saying this has to be a new era there has to be something new that we
are exploring societally and culturally so it doesn't surprise me that at the same time that Pluto is moving into this
new zodiac sign which by the way it takes it spends 20 years in a zodiac sign so it's it really you know drives a
point home before leaving and entering something new is that we're saying like actually maybe this isn't the vibe turns
out you know what maybe we were like super duper wrong here our bad and as you'll see a lot of
the people in this are just like oh yeah we mess that was not good yeah so it's it's interesting to see that um you know
and and Pluto also was conjunct the South node of Karma and past life at this moment um the nodes were in Leo and
in aquarius so there is this sort of Reckoning that starts to happen it feels like by the Fall where we start to kind
of have a different perspective on what we want our future to look like and maybe it's like we have the we are
looking at what we had thought was going to be this Utopia where we're getting rid of all the witches and it's and then
we realized like actually half of our community is in jail like and some of the judges you know own
wives and children and sisters and are being accused suddenly and they're going wait a second maybe not I mean they had
a four-year-old in jail at one point they had a four-year-old in jail with their mom and she was accused of
Witchcraft by Anne putam by the way an putnam's the worst we ha her putam but she accused a four-year-old and they had
a four-year-old sitting in jail for like a year and it's like somebody had to look at this and be like wait a second
yeah is this like Community we really want to have a community where we're throwing four-year-olds in the Old Salem
jail this isn't what we were going for I don't know if this is the Utopia we were
thinking it was going to be yeah exactly so it totally makes sense speaking of an
putam speaking of Anne putam this was just an interesting one to me because like I am so focused on how much I hate
Anne putam my hat love that you hate an putam I have such a grudge against an putam uh but in so August 5 1706 so many
years after this or a few years at least M am putam finally says well maybe I made all that [ __ ] up
oops sorry and she did this because she wanted to get into a church and the church was not going to let her unless
she admitted all her sins that was a pretty big sin uh and I thought this was an interesting one I'm curious do you
know if like what did the church at that point say that they recognized that this
was all a disaster I think it was part of the Reckoning of everybody saying that we realized that the intentions
might have been pure at some point dur or what they think are pure exact they I think they also
recognized that maybe they had a bunch of bored little girls on their hands and that these little girls took it too far
and didn't know how to stop it so I think they were giving her the opportunity to say We'll pardon you for
your sins but you need to like come have a come to Jesus moment and tell us that
what you did was wrong and that you knew it was wrong MH and she obliged and she
did she she said she did it she said she she made it up and she was sorry for it
but it was all too late I was like yeah I mean it's interesting so at this time you know a considerable amount of time
later over 10 years later Saturn is now where Jupiter and Uranus were back then so it's you know Saturn has that
perspective it's now gone through half of the zodiac sign and Saturn is you know it has to do with discipline right
and and our responsibilities and maturation so it's almost like at that time we all and you know the chart of
this moment was one where we had a different perspective on that Gemini craziness
chaos the chaos of Gemini yes that makes sense it does yeah cuz it's like she had
I mean I'll I I'll give one little inch here and say like she she she had to have a little bit of a maturation here
to like at least know I still think it was selfish and I think she it was it was matur know that she wasn't going to
get into this church if she didn't do what they asked her to do but it makes sense that it has to do with Saturn yeah
I see that and speaking of my my enemy and plattinum we should get take a look at at least a couple of the main
accusers here what their charts are cuz I'm very curious about that we have am putam is um October 18th 1679 and she
was born in daners Massachusetts and she was really like the ring leader of all of this yeah she really kept it
going yeah so so an um is a Libra you know something that I want to something I want to call out cuz it's you know it it
really is very loud in these charts is 25° there's a lot of planets at 25° which is just you know it's neither here
nor there but it's just an interesting pattern to see an was you know a Libra 25 degrees Libra she was actually born
um on a full moon ah and not just a full moon it was a lunar eclipse oh so that's
really compelling to me because when we have someone born on an eclipse that you
we know eclipses they're really intense they're Looney they're they're they're high energy right we see that even when
we experience you know when an eclipse crosses the United States and suddenly it's like the day stops everyone's
figuring out their Eclipse plans where are you going to be you know they are arresting they capture our attention
energetically astrologically this is also the case when you're born on an eclipse you have a sense of drama baked
into your chart we were just talking about this the other day yeah and and there's a sort of extremism to you um
people might see your life and be like why is everything always so like feast or famine for you like why is it like
why are the stakes always so high when you're born on an eclipse and that's the case of an wow she was born on an
eclipse now she was also 12 years old when this started and she was she was born with Jupiter Taurus so she was
going through her Jupiter return at that time wow which happens to all of us when
we're 12 years old because Jupiter has a 12year orbit so she had this she was born on an
eclipse she was going through her Jupiter return a very lucky time um and believe it or not I mean the way that I
would interpret this is that she was really I mean I guess this isn't doesn't seem that surprising when I when I say
it out loud that but she thought that she was doing something really cool you know sure she thought that she was
really she thought that she was really participating in her community she I mean she was making things happen she
was seeing literally she had an immense amount of power for a 12-year-old girl and I do think there might be I I know
that this is not we we are not an stands here so apolog I mean who would like an
right she's clearly the villain but I do think it's interesting how in this puritanical culture where women
have no power that these young girls had so much power and they took it and ran with it yes and I also wonder if this is
a byproduct of a really oppressive um culture you know absolutely I definitely think that's a
huge part of I will give that for sure because especially kids kids were not in this culture in puritan you know times
and Puritan culture it was you didn't play you didn't read you didn't enjoy things you weren't you were not to be a
kid it act like a kid like the scene and not heard it was like let me not see you
let me not hear you it's like you will you you help out your family you do your studying and that's it and you shut up
like you are not outside playing with things you're not giggling with your friends you are you are seen as not even
a little adult like a little you know cult member you're you're not seen as anything you're one of the many that
needs to be doing this thing to get to the goal of whatever their goal was you know right and so I think seeing that
it's kids who started this was very telling cuz it's like they weren't doing anything else what else were they doing
they had somewhere to apply their imagination and that a Fantastical imagin I mean that's where the spectral
evidence comes in some of the things they come up with I mean it's like like we said you know an was the one who
accused uh you know a little Dorothy also like Dorcas in the in the trial transcripts the four yold she said that
like she came she was like biting her in her sleep like she flew in her window and was biting her and it's like that is
some like Fantastical Fantastical [ __ ] and it's kid [ __ ] and I think they were just
trying to be kids but it they like they say in the craft they took it to a dark place well when you're a kid you don't
realize the serious repercussions that everything you're doing is going to have and I think when they started seeing the
repercussions it was some of the I think it was just either keep going or that you bullshitted everybody and now you're
the one yeah but it's also I mean it's the adults who are calling the shots I mean if these kids are saying are are
recognizing that they have basically unchecked power now and that they have the freedom to be able to participate in
these spaces and they're T being taken seriously Val they're validated they're having the it's like they're one uping
each other and like how like wild these images and these imaginations are and then the adult are like very good us
yeah keep going it's like I saw Rebeca nurse in a rocking chair you know like and it's like how
far can you push it so as much as I recognize that it's not good to accuse an entire community of Witchcraft and
kill them I do think that it's obviously the adults who were responsible and the
kids were just testing boundaries and also I mean pretty iconic for being becoming so famous as little Puritan
kids you know like that's what that's how they were seeing it they like where the queens of the village yeah and when
we were talking about it earlier the adults in the situation are really having the kids do their dirty work
because they're after executing these people so they can take their land so they can get rid of the tax that they
owe somebody you know that's the thing and the Putnams especially are huge you know they they they were the huge
accusers and especially like Anne putam senior especially was she would direct Anne putam junor to do her dirty work
and it was like that family was gaining a lot by making their kid do the dirty work for them so you do have to give her
a Little Bit of Sympathy in that regard of like you were you were brought into this like you were just kind of raised
to do this which is sad yeah doing your parents bidding yeah like is she still an [ __ ] absolutely but she was kind
of and puam sweatshirts yeah yeah but like she was she was made to be an [ __ ] you know like like a lot of the
cases we where it's like yeah I feel you know I feel bad for the kid but this kid
happened to get a lot of people killed you know there is something I think if we think about this karmically too um
being born on a lunar eclipse means that the nodes of Destiny and fate are right
next to your sun and moon which are some of the most sort of prominent placements
in our charts you know we know our sun moon and rising signs um so her Sun and Moon are right directly connected to her
sun is connected to the north node her Moon and Aries is connected to the South node these are karmic Destiny points and
in addition to those placements being there she also has Chiron the wounded healer there I mean one could look at
this and be like yeah it was horrible what happened to her that she then had to live with the guilt of having killed
all of these innocent people but in doing so exposed that you know this was not the Utopia that they were trying to
create and like I mean massive changes in the court system coming out of the Salem witch trial so it obviously is a
tragedy to lose so many people to this but it also perhaps there was an inevitability to it if this was the
system something bad was going to happen right and it was someone like an who sort of brought it to that Tipping Point
to expose the injustices so it was like a a byproduct a byproduct very much so yeah well I
think another one we could talk about so Betty Paris and Abigail Williams are the
other two I think we'll touch upon because they were the initial accusers yeah they were the big I Sal 3 yeah they
were definitely so Betty Paris was November 28th um 1682 and she was born in uh Boston Massachusetts but we don't
claim her we do not understandable well she was born during a new moon um so we have another very
strong lunar energy here in this chart she was also so 9 years old right when really little 9 years old is so young in
life but also astrologically that what was happening in her chart at that time was like not that different what was
happening from when she was born you know like 9 years is you don't have that many transits having taken place however
the transit you do have at exactly nine is you have your nodal opposition so again talking about the nodes of Fate um
she was born with her North Node in Leo her South node in Aquarius at that time it was the opposite so the South node
was in Leo and the North Node was in aquarius so at that moment there was this turning point of like what is my
destiny going to be believe it or not the first time we encounter our destiny is when we're 9 years old according to
the noes that's crazy yeah wow and then I it seems like she was then plucked away from this from the whole she was
like sent to live with family like you don't you don't want to see what's going to
happen to hang out with an anymore yeah yeah so it's interesting that she sort of made her mark this little sagge New
Moon sagge Sun and Moon in Sagittarius going through her nodal opposition did this thing and then was sort of removed
from the scene so she didn't actually have to be involved in the trials beyond that time that makes sense that is
interesting CU her dad was a big player in the town right Sam Samuel Paris I believe it is um he was a reverend so he
was I think they were like you know maybe we shouldn't muddy our this we want him to keep his job so let's just
you did your job let's get out of here thanks Betty and then uh Abigail is someone that we have another stellium
with so Abigail was born with Venus in cancer Saturn in cancer Pluto in cancer the sun in cancer and mercury in cancer
so emotional girly it's an emotional girly yes and as we've talked about when we have a stellium a concentration of
energy it just is intense you know just it's it's sort of everything is pooling in these places so with all of this in
cancer it's like you know cancer is associated with the mother cancer is associated with our home with our family
with our values so it does not surprise me that it was the sort of like I'm doing this for the fam I'm doing this in
our shared value system in our shared value system um and I would not be surprised if this was also coming from
you know if this was being supported by her family oh yeah and encouraged by her
family mhm that makes a lot of sense that definitely does damn it makes me feel kind of bad for
them I I do I would say that we can feel bad I mean it's interesting because there's like a whole other take on this
where it's like these were the witches these little girls who because what is a witch I mean it's it's usually women who
are trying to figure out where their power is and to reclaim their power and these girls certainly figured out how to
have a lot of [ __ ] power in their Community most the most power so I mean I think that having a fresh set of eyes
on these little ladies is not the worst thing but then definitely no no remorse for the for the boys for the
orchestrators who are on the trial I mean fullblown adult they have full frontal lobe they know what they're
doing grown adult men no excuse for you excuses what are you doing and actually that's where we'll go next speaking is
to these idiots the first one I could think of was John hathorne big play this guy's so
bad that like his ancestor Nathaniel Hawthorne added a w to his name to not be associated with him wow know it's
that's the lore so it's that's how bad he is he was one of the most active judges during the trials he was known to
be super aggressive he forced confessions in ways that would be very unseemly even by those standards he was
super super religious and so he took this whole thing even more seriously than a lot of the other ones did um he
was the one to condemn Reverend George Burrows to death which is very interesting that a very religious man
would condemn a reverend to death um he also never showed remorse even after the
trials were done never apologized never said that he was wrong in anything he did um he ended up dying in um at the
age of 76 he's buried in that old burying Point Cemetery on Charter Street in Salem uh so that's an interesting
grave to V to visit just take a moment it's a very chilling grave but yeah he's one of the worst for sure well I I would
it surprise anyone to find out that he is a Leo there it is so John uh was born on August 5th making him a Leo son um he
also has a moon in Leo so he was born on a new moon and again you know we're seeing definitely enough of the charts
that have an interesting lunar signature to know that these individuals were born
during these prominent lunar phases a lot of them were and you know it's not being born on an Eclipse which is the
you know the most magnified version of it but being born on a new moon is also you know has there's a significant sort
of energy associated with that um and in the sign of Leo you know if this is done
poorly we have a very egoic Gentleman on our hand check moon in Leo sun in Leo Mars in Leo
and at the time this would again have been conjunct at the same point as the South node in Leo which is one of those
Destiny points and it's you know it's sort of the the Dark Side of Destiny right it's his it's the destiny to be
remembered as an egoic monster in the case of John well that worked yeah that's John and also to feel this sense
of um Leos can be very stubborn you know very Resolute it's a fixed sign so it believes what it believes and it
believes that it's right that's why you never apologize never apologize and it doesn't surprise me that this you know
there was this sort of um Vengeance for the Reverend you know and this sort of like I'm not afraid to take down a
religious figure because I know best to show my point that I'm right yes and to be bigger and higher than you know
because that is its own sort of egoic expression is to be like see you all thought that this was a Pious individual
but I as a judge am above this alleged Pious individual and I say they're a witch I know better that's fascinating
that is fascinating oh oh don't get wrapped up with the Leo's the worst but but the next one we have is uh a lot
of people know this name too cotton Ma so how could you not know the name I you not remember this and remember dead
remember cotton yeah you got to we remember cotton weary too from stream always but he was a Puritan Minister he
studyed he actually studied another outbreak of Hysteria it was the Goodwin family in um Boston Massachusetts and he
wrote about it he loved to write about this stuff and he blamed it on the devil and he mentioned in these writings that
Salem was the Devil's Playground is what he believed which which is awesome I mean that sounds so metal so metal
so if I was in Salem at that like hell yes like let's an also like leave us alone CU we're the Devil's Playground
don't mess with us but a lot of people think that was part of the seed that was planted to at least start some Rumblings
in Salem with hesteria but in the letter that he wrote to the justices he was one
of those people who said spectral evidence is [ __ ] you shouldn't use it you shouldn't use it in these trials
I don't think it should be used as like real evidence but in that same letter he also urged them to continue trying to
sus out witches in Salem so he was saying don't use spectral evidence but like you're doing you're doing the Lord
keep going let's keep going and he was also the one who said that um bringing back to Reverend George Burrows that
poor guy he was the one who said that no witch would be able to say the Lord's Prayer perfectly they were going to
stumble on it they would forget it they wouldn't be able to say the whole thing that's the tell that's the tell you'll
be if if they can do that they are not a witch and you should not condemn them rever George buroughs recited that
Lord's Prayer perfectly without stumbling without muttering anything on the Gallows Cod ma was there and he said
it's fine I guess in this case it's whatever he's a reverend so you know we're already here so let's just like go
through it and it's like what the [ __ ] like what a contradiction and he actually later claimed that Reverend
George burough was the king of all witches he used that phrase and basically said later you know what
spectral evidence it was actually fine it was fine that they used it the whole thing was justified to some degree we're
all fine he was he was basically a whiny little [ __ ] and he stood for nothing like that man stood for nothing he just
stood for spectral evidence wind blew and he would blow over here with it like he was the worst well a few things that
are really interesting so we have another stellam here in his chart he has an aquarius stum so this is Aquarius is
the opposite sign of Leo um so again we're still on those nodes which we going on at this time in the signs of
Leo and Aquarius so he's being really activated by them he has Chiron in Aquarius Uranus in Aquarius Mars in
Aquarius the sun in Aquarius and mercury and Aquarius so once again we see someone who has a lot of a
lot it's a lot of a lot um and I would say most compelling to me is that he was going through his Saturn return return
during this time interesting so he was pretty young he was young he was and the Saturn return is when we go through it
in our late 20s and early 30s I'm so scared buckle up baby I know careful of that spectral evidence I
know and it's when we become our own person and it's often a very challenging and complicated time and what I you know
I'm I'm probably jumping ahead spoiler alert he was the son mhm of increase matters coolest name
coolest increase but I think that what's really interesting about this is that we
have and we'll talk about increases role within this as well um we have cotton the son trying to figure out what he
stands for and what his place is and what his role in this greater sort of ecosystem is so it doesn't surprise me
that as he's going through his Saturn return he's like well a little bit of this but also that you know like this
makes sense whatever works and my and now I'm going to get into sort of my intuitive read on it for a moment
looking at the chart is that I think that he got over his head in what was happening for sure and because he was he
comes into this kind of as an academic you absolutely and but then he's swept up in this town I mean it would be an
interesting bio pick certainly he's swept up in this town and then it's like it's all happening you know like they're
dying these people on are being hung you know like we have people being tortured
you know it's like what a scene and he's trying to figure out is this what it's about like is this is this what we
should be doing is this why we did this and what are the limits and what are the
boundaries and I think that as people are dying it's like well I have to justify this you know I have to Mak
sense of this tragedy so yeah I mean he's the king of witches that's why he can say the Lord's Prayer so easily is
because the devil is go speaking right through him and the devil is you know a trickster so of course in this case this
is an exception to the rule yep but I think that this is the chart of someone who is really trying to figure out you
know who he is and what his place is in society and how he can be the most useful and how to sort of bring these
pieces together another thing that's interesting is that he was born during the Jupiter Saturn conjunction um that's
an a 20e cycle that happens every 20 years so it's an important it's a meaning it's one of the signatures that
happened during 2020 the Jupiter Saturn conjunction so Jupiter makes things bigger Saturn makes things disciplined
so he's trying to figure out you know how am I going to be the this sort of voice you know how am I going to be the
smartest one in the room I think is cotton story got that for sure yeah he does how can I be this and it's also
very Aquarius you know like you if you've ever met an aquaries you know that they also love to be right they
love to be intelligent so it's it has that sort of like yeah I know what I'm talking about
and he's like oh I can explain this I can explain this I know you're all you all think you know but I can explain
this yeah listen to me listen to Cotton Listen to Cotton 100% cotton but don't 100% it's still
100% that almost went over my head that was so close like what so the next one we have this isn't
like a huge I he's a big player because he's one of the seven judges and I think
what is a note about Bartholomew gney is one his name yeah definitely that and he's got um he's got an interesting
grave in the cemetery as well um and he was he was one of the shitty judges and he was one of the ones who fiercely
advocated to use spectral evidence which I always think means that you are one of
the worst cuz I'm like if you are allowing children to say that somebody flew in and bit their knees in the
middle of the night then like something's wrong with you you're a little cooky and he also condemned his
own friends like he would his back on people like his friends would be like you know me Bart and he like guess
friend and he'd be like I guess I didn't I guess I didn't know you and it's like
whoa he has no loyalty would you be be surprised to find out well let me ask you I hear a lot of hearing which we
know now is the Gemini stellium and B was a Gemini sorry June 14th 1640 see him turning on his friends
doesn't give us a good a good rep no it doesn't will but it doesn't you know I think it
makes sense for as we are sort of creating the archetype for the Gemini stellium energy of this time Peri perod
right it's like give me the most and in his case he was like you're my friend whatever like come on in to the to the
freaky trial world and like let's spill what's the tea like what do you have oh people are flying in and biting
interesting interesting love that yeah I mean honestly it was like the wackier the
better and I think that that's why he was into spectral evidence is because he liked the sort of the entertainment of
it that makes sense makes a lot of sense feel that for Bart I love entertainment
so I get it Bart was just here for the lws like he was just like this is interesting like why not go on yeah he
like please tell me more what happen it would be interesting to read his entries
in this giant Bible cuz it's probably like and then he said that this happen but wait let me tell you more yeah
exactly you'll never believe this one and I think that sort of like you know one of the overarching um lessons around
this was that actually it turns out more morality is a good thing right it's good
to when you know someone's character that actually should be considered when you are bringing them in and to an
accusation right that's why we have character Witnesses right it's important to understand who someone is but in this
trial all of that was out the window because it was really just the hearsay yeah people were accusing their own
spouses right and that was being that was being regarded it was being taken into more regard than someone's
character yeah and someone you've known forever forever right well one of one of
the worst ones I would say um it's definitely the Corwin family they popped off a lot of people know the witch house
in Salem that's you know the Jonathan Corwin house um he actually there was so many quote unquote witches being brought
in to be examined during this time because they were now they're picking everybody we hear about the you know the
ones who died at The Gallows but there's so many who died in jail there's so who
were put in jail and somehow got out of it but there's a lot of victims here so many people were being accused that he
opened up you know he's so friendly and loving and cozy accomodating he opened up his home and said oh I can conduct
examinations in here since I know so busy like I'm here to help and there's some like crazy stories about him in
that house um and he would also undertake the examinations himself which is a whole different vibe very pervy
energy super like I don't like it the energy in that house if is messed up snarly yeah it's dark energy and a lot
of his family was embroiled in the whole accusing process a lot of his children were quote unquote Afflicted at times so
that was a whole thing um and he never apologized for his role in the trials either he was one of the ones that stood
by and said nope it was right what's interesting is that as we're talking about this there's a I what I'm sort of
noting is that as you're mentioning these different judges who never apologized it's a lot of uh fix signs so
we met the Leo yeah we met the Aquarius and here we have the Scorpio ah so we have another stellium here with Jonathan
Corwin this one is in Scorpio so we have Uranus in Scorpio um we have the North Node in Scorpio Mercury in Scorpio the
sun in Scorpio and Neptune in Scorpio so again uh a stellium is a lot now we haven't talked about Scorpio a lot which
I think it would be surprising for a lot of people because Scorpio is the zodiac
sign that is so witchy and so sort of associated with the occult and and sort of Underworld things it's signified
through Pluto which we have talked about but Scorpio has been sort of low-key in
the background throughout most of these charts which is interesting and it does show me that again this whole trial was
more of the Gemini information like I want to collect the the knowledge than it was the Scorpio like ooh like let me
get into the sort of the mysteries of it yeah but in the case of Jonathan Corwin's chart he was about that he
wanted to get up in there and I don't want to I'm not typ casting all Scorpios as being perverts but it is a little
pervy it is associated it is associated with like genitals and like the you know
the private parts and sex and so you put SC so in the context of this yeah this is probably someone who is being a
little gross you know a little sexually deviant around this and using this as an
opportunity to like you know exam easier which I definitely think was a thing absolutely oh gross Jonathan well
moving on from him well and we're staying in the family which think is one of the worst
in the whole thing George Corwin he was he has an interesting birthday too his birthday is February 26
1666 scary he has the triple six in there and he's talking about everybody else being Titanic like check your birth
year my friend check your birth uh he was compensating yeah like so he was only 25 years old which blows my mind at
this point cuz I'm like you're a baby like you're a baby shut up go figure out life not even at the S what you doing
like ruining everyone's life he was the high Sheriff during the witch trials he was also the nephew of Jonathan Corwin
so that that family blood runs deep he was known very much he was very aggressive he confiscated a lot of [ __ ]
from people when he would arrest them like that was his favorite thing to do was just steal all your [ __ ] when he
arrested you it was like a treasure hunt for him yeah it was like there was certain like this was part of the time
period too where like you know they would confiscate things from you when they arrested you to pay for your jail
sentence essentially in your trial um they could confiscate your land all that but he would do it willy-nilly like he
was known to just steal all everybody's stuff um he was there for a lot of the executions um Bridget he was there when
Bridget Bishop the first one the first victim was hanged and she was forced to climb a ladder when she was hanged it
was just like a different thing he was the one who kicked the ladder out from underneath her um he then left her body
in a rock crevice after that just threw her in a rock crevice and just as an examp later just as an example um what's
also interested is he left her body in that rock crevice at the site and then he reported he had to write out a report
for this and he crossed out the words buried in place when he did this which is like snaky yeah that's weird he
literally intentionally was like I'm going to leave out what I actually did I'm just going to cross it out and I was
like that is so shady very shady yeah and he is Infamous for being the one that tortured Giles Cory
with um weight until he was crushed to death at one point we covered this when we talked about the witch trials Giles
Corey was I mean it was like days two days of him being pressed to death so at one point the weight was so severe that
his tongue protruded out of his mouth just on weight alone right and it was George Corwin who grabbed a walking
stick from somebody who was watching this whole thing cuz remember people would just walk
this watch this man be pressed to death for this old man be pressed to death for
two days grabbed someone's walking stick and poked his tongue back in his mouth with it which to me is like ruthless as
[ __ ] like that's like serial killer Vibes yeah totally but Giles Corey as we know did not enter a plea he said [ __ ]
y'all and he didn't do it and instead he cursed George Corwin and all of Salem which worked and he cursed so that we
have seen so George car died of a heart attack at age 30 5 years after this and since 1692 Salem sheriffs have all died
of heart conditions at very early ages or suffered from heart conditions at very early ages and it only stopped
after they moved the sheriff's department from the old jail right cuz before it was overlooking the yeah it
was like overlooking some I believe I'm not positive about that but it was I just know that it was a Cahill is one of
the sources that is a really his book is really good about this he mentioned he was one of the sheriffs he mentioned
that he suffered from heart issues when he was sheriff and he's like it is a curse like it's for real for real and
George Corwin had taken so much stuff from people when he was arresting them that Alene was actually placed on his
body when he died that it was not released back to his family to be buried until he his family paid for his [ __ ]
that he taken back at you so he got his in the end for sure but he's one of the worst
so what's he all about so you know it's interesting because he well is a Pisces and I think that that would really
surprise people because usually Pisces are considered to be you know sort of like harmless Mystic sensitive emotional
intense people but in this case I mean this is why you have sort of you know you can't you really shouldn't be
stereotyping the signs because there's so much dimensionality to them he was born with the sun conjunct Jupiter in
his chart and we've talked about Jupiter making anything bigger and more expansive and sort of like Larger than
Life so the Sun and Jupiter were in Pisces when he was born and as well remember during the Salem Witch Trials
Neptune was in Pisces so it was almost like he was operating in this Fantasy Land himself like he sort of went with
the he went with the this Mass hysteria and like ran with it as part of his identity he was playing a role within
this whole elaborate tragedy as someone as yes exactly as sort of like the the boss as the one who was ruthless as the
one who had no patience for witches you know like he would do he hated witches and would do anything to make sure that
they were never coming back again and it was also you know it's interesting that
he was pre Saturn return to me that also is is very compelling yeah it it really
shows that he was also trying to prove his manhood you know and there was this heavy compensating for being so young
and having so much power and it almost feels like it's a higher Octave of how the girls were behaving at that time you
know it's like when you're that young and you have so much power and it's and you're responsible for such brutality
it's like you have to kind of go all in yeah you know you obviously don't have to and you shouldn't listen likee don't
go commit when they're going he committed to that role that he was playing and it was that you know he was
being sort of egged on by the hysteria so much so that he thought he could get away with it right like he thought he
could get away with that kind of force he thought he could get away with stealing all of these possessions and
obviously so young that didn't realize like actually no when you die young from this heart condition after this curse
because you were so bad that you have a curse on you now that you're not even going to be regarded you know you're
there's going to be a lean on your body because people are going to recognize that you were a [ __ ] yeah you know
they're be like we're not even giving rid of your body to your family because it was actually
completely out of line what you did so it's I mean this is why you know it's when you have such young people who are
responsible for acting out in these ways it's like you're going to see often times the the most fierce and
evil ones are the ones who are the youngest involved you know and also frontal lobe
that's a huge role too definitely that is interesting um another one that I'm I'm said this is like a I'm just
interested in this one cuz he's a little bit of an outlier Samuel Seawall so he was a judge he was one of the ones that
later publicly apologized he even called for a day of fasting and Penance to for
reparation of what happened and he himself observed that day privately for the rest of his life like he was very
much a I thought I was doing what was right I did not do what was right and it was literally like he was like I know
that that wasn't right I thought it was right at the time right yeah and he is an Aries we haven't talked about Aries
yet um he was born conjunct the North Node of Destiny his son so again we're seeing that as an interesting signature
coming up a lot of these nodes of Fate are involved in the individuals who are associated with this which to me just
really exposes like yeah these are all people who have legacies now that are that are sort of surrounding these this
really um historic event and this historic series of events that took place yeah
what I find really interesting in his chart is that his Mercury the planet of communication is in the sign of Pisces
again we were talking about Neptune the planet of Illusion and delusion being in
Pisces so at the time of these trials the way that he was thinking Mercury rules communication it rules our mind
the way that we process information was being really heavily influenced by this neptunian fantasy world
so it's like as this was going on and people were presenting all of this freaky spectral evidence he was like I
guess so I guess I guess it's real I guess everybody's buying this I guess these girls are coming in talking about
people flying in through Windows like woo something it something weird and then after that Transit had lifted after
he was no longer you know as time went on and he had perspective and he had there was distance from what took place
you know as the chart sort of separated and opened up as we saw he then had more
perspective to be like whoa I was under a spell yeah and I think that if I think
that he would have said something quite like that that he himself was hypnotized
by what had happened yeah that like the real the real spell was happening in the
judicial system exactly I mean it's so interesting because with all of these we see the story of you know of of spells
and es and of persecution and it's just all sort of not what they thought it was
but it's all there you know the underbelly was being exposed but it wasn't Rebecca nurse you know yeah it
was them it was themselves it was the whole society he I mean he proved it with the like privately doing that day
of reparations like because he felt so guilty like he had guilt for the rest of his life and he's one of the only ones
who would admit that right and he's the only Aries and he's the only Aries yeah that's interesting is Aries a fixed sign
no it is not it's a cardinal sign so that's interesting that he's the one not a fixed sign and he can actually admit
that he was wrong where the fixed signs could not well what's interesting is you
know my girl not my girl let me let me rephrase that but an who I think we all need a fresh perspective on has her moon
in Aries and is herself a Libra sun which is the opposite of Aries so those Cardinal placements seem to be which you
know Capricorn is a cardinal sign seem to have some you know they are the ones who are coming in with a little bit more
remorse that's interesting that does make sense huh Welles maybe we should round this out by talking about a couple
of the the victims that everybody probably knows like the most yeah definitely Giles Cory Giles Cory got to
go Giles we know that he was pressed to death because he wouldn't enter a plea because if you entered a plea you could
have your land taken away and all your belongings from George Corwin essentially so instead of owing that to
happen and leaving his family without anything he decided not to he had two days of being pressed to death and the
only thing he responded when George Corwin tried to get anything from him was more weight and then he ended up
dying uh his curse was damn you Sheriff I curse you and Salem and that that's the curse that seems to have gone all
the way through I think that worked yeah I think so too but he's one that everybody knows about he he had like he
was a wealthy Farmer in the time so and he he didn't have like he wasn't super well-liked he had a moment I would say
he had a reputation of being a little aggressive a little violent a little angry um he was charged with murdering
his farmand in in 1676 so it's not like he was like coming out of the Scot yeah not Scot free at all he had a little
come up and blood on his he definitely did um but he was he was found guilty he only got a fine for it uh a lot of
people were mad about that and thought he should have gotten more for that and people think that might have play played
into him being accused so uh he was born August 16th 1611 in the UK so we are back with a Leo back with a Leo so you
know we had talked about the Leo as being you know of the ego right we had mentioned that with one of the with one
of the judges is that when we have this this Leo energy of this being sort of like egoic I'm I have more I know more I
could be higher than whoever and I think that that also you know this is the only
person in the Salem Witch Trials who was pressed to death and this is also the only person who was like I'm not going
to play by your [ __ ] rules like if you want to kill me you're going to have to do it in this other way where you're
going to have to creative get creative and also like going to be disgusting you know like it's going to be a really
gross scene for you and all the villagers so that's very Leo you know change it up for me yeah do it special
for me um Mercury and Leo Jupiter in Leo sun in Leo so again that Jupiter Sun conjunction coming up as a signature
here um in a lot of these charts which is just this Larger than Life Energy to me you know it doesn't surprise me that
there is in in his own way he if if he was going to go down he wanted to do it on his terms yeah you know and not
speaking to whether or not he was or you know was a good person or was not a good
person obviously it sounds like he was a complicated aggressive fiery man um it it is interesting that when it came to
his death and his legacy that it is a sort of a standout um a notable death right within this because he wouldn't he
wanted to maintain a sense of his dignity in it and for and that was his way of doing
it makes a lot and cursing right and doing a really iconic curse went on for yeah I's the real witch I know well I
was just going to say do you see anything witchy in his chart whatsoever that would give Credence to the curse
well you know the thing that I would say stands out to me in addition to him of course being a Leo and having that
Jupiter Sun conjunction is that he has his North Node in Gemini and Uranus in Gemini in his chart because he was
significantly older he was in his 80s yeah he was a lot so he was going through his Uranus
return at that time which happens if you live long enough if you get into your 80s you go through your Uranus return
which happens at 84 he was he was just a few years shy of his exact Uranus return
but he was going I your Uranus return is when you because Uranus is the planet of
Revolution and Rebellion so when you go through that you really just say like caution to the yeah I don't give any
[ __ ] at all and that FP on its to be like you're calling me a witch you're killing me for
this I'm going to curse you show you what wit I'll show you like there's something so
sassy something poetic addictive powerful sort of reclaiming one's agency and I personally think that anyone can
put a curse on someone you know I don't think to be a witch to do curses I think
that it's just your intention and where you sort of apply it in this case it sounds like it was a very well warranted
yeah time for a curse it's a very specific curse too he like I well deserved curse yeah truly the next one I
would say is Rebecca nurse just cuz that's my girl yeah we know Rebecca nurse she was
beloved you know they did the petition to try to get her out of it they got they found her not guilty but then our
our girlies there are afflicted girlies threw themselves on the ground in the courtroom and got her uh said to be
guilty again um and actually she was feuding with the putam family over border boundaries which they think had a
lot to do with it and she also disapproved of the appointment of Samuel Paris uh as the new Puritan minister so
there was a lot of people that were not pleased with her that were very powerful
and happen to be accusers I mean what I notied in this chart initially is that this woman was almost 100 years old oh
my God and she was like ailing too she was yeah she was born in 1598 so she was you know she was in her
90s and then getting wrapped up in all of this and the energy from that to me is so cautionary and is so a mirror you
know when you have someone who is that old and ailing and who is so beloved within your community and then you turn
against this individual who is just like the helpless old woman it's like what are you really doing here what what are
we what are we pulling people love her she was Pious she was like a churchgoing woman she was doing everything they they
wanted every said they wanted everybody to do and I think that some of the things that are interesting to me in
this is that she was going through her Jupiter return in fact it was exact Jupiter was in her chart at in Gemini at
6° that's where the conjunction between Jupiter and Uranus happened so to me like I have Goosebumps because this
woman was the symbol of like we have gone too far wow yeah this was it yeah a lot of people saw that too yeah and I
think that you know we have those two sort of events that took place right we have or you know that may 27th date is
really standout to me in terms of when things went haywire and then when Rebecca nurse was accused and everything
that we knew about this old old 92-year-old woman was just like completely you know overlooked for the
sake of hearsay this was and her Jupiter was right at that point of Jupiter Uranus conjunction which defines these
Witch Trials this was like the what have you done you know like what are you actually doing here go from how do we go
on from here how do we go from here cuz you did it you know you executed Rebecca
nurse great like where do we now what now and like and if you did this then what else will you do right right no one
is safe that's my girl Rebecca I love her pour one out for Rebecca KS pour one out for Rebecca I mean I also think that
like it's an interesting you know it's interesting that that breaking point was a 92-year-old woman you know it's
interesting that that was sort of not the four-year-old who was in jail but like this 92-year-old woman was enough
for people to be like wait what at least start thinking like wait a second like something is weird because how could how
could someone live 92 years and be such a you know a loving member of our community and participate so much and be
someone that we all Revere and respect only to be a witch right like this doesn't make sense this doesn't make
sense and the flip-flop of the the trial like finding her not guilty and then being like Oh the the
girl like like what are we doing what's going on we're just giving in to Tantrums right um I think the last
person we should focus on is somebody that probably everybody knows we were talking about this earlier The Crucible
is going to come it's the perfect place to end it's John Proctor I mean why is he always hot and everything it's John
Proctor you know him you love him you want to date him like why do we just know like he was I mean he was a wealthy
farmer right he was a wealthy farmer so he's got that going with he was also a very outspoken critic of the Salem Witch
Trials from the jump um he got a little aggressive with it he said he would but he would whip or beat The Afflicted
girls he didn't do it but he would threaten to do it cuz he was so disgusting by them not great his wife
Elizabeth Proctor was arrested on charges of Witchcraft uh that's when they turned on him he actually knew he
recognized that this is mass hysteria and something's wrong here he wrote a letter to the Boston clergy asking them
to intervene and move the trials to Boston cuz he was like it's not happening here like Salem's losing their
goddamn Minds bring it to Boston bring some law bring it to Boston we got to get a group Boston logic we'll figure it
out and the clergy actually was like yeah that's that seems to be the case but when they answered it was too
late he was already executed so John the hottie John the hot one John the hot one
of the whole trial is a Libra a Libra Redemption exactly so you know an putam a Libra John a Libra but also I
mean I do think it's interesting that when we talk about the cardinal signs having this sort of interesting
awareness of what's going on in this they weren't in the mix they weren't being as influenced by this mutable
Gemini sad pisan energy and or had the sort of stubbornness that we see with the fix signs right throughout it John
Proctor as a Libra was sort of like okay like what is fair here right Libra is the sign of the scales It's associated
with balance It's associated with sort of Harmony and Equity so we have this Libra sun coming in being like wait this
none of this makes sense this is not a fair system this is not a fair trial like we're not doing this we're not
approaching this correctly and I think that even though it's te that he said that he's going to whip the girls like I
get where he's coming from with it he was pissed and he was also showing like the they don't have that much power like
stop treating them like Saints stop treating them like they are not anything more than children right because I'm
sure that in puritan kids were being whipped all the time so they were like do what we always do exactly so treat
them like kids don't treat them like they are the ones who have all of this insight and who can dictate the fate of
our community members so in you know saying something as sort of aggressive as that I think that the message was
like let's get some logic back in here like hello like mugatu or am I taking crazy pills you
know so in the chart you it's a it's it's an interesting chart in that we have um aot lot of sort of planets
there's a lot of clusters going on so we don't have a stellium but for instance we have Pluto and Jupiter that are
connected we have Mars and Saturn that are connected and I think that there is this sort of like this recognition of
yeah this doesn't look like someone who is not strict to me you know this some John Proctor also played by the rules he
was not like a he was not a wild child no not my John proct saw yeah no he's Daddy he plays by the rules but he also
saw someone here who you know he saw a system that was absolutely falling apart he saw the collapse of his community and
that's I think what he was calling out I don't think he was saying I don't think
I'm not I don't think that witches are real are real like I I think that this could be legit but the way that you all
are approaching it is nuts and he sought out to help to fix it looked outside and
was like someone some logic back into this whole thing yes and that's really what he was
sort of seeking was like we have to turn this down rules bring the rules back I want rules but I don't want these
whackadoo rules cuz these aren't rules this is chaos yeah which is what it ended up degrading to exactly wow wow so
no wonder he's hot so no wonder he's always hot in all the things exactly it's just like Canon you have to make
make them hot and everything yeah it's so funny this was fascinating I could do this for like 18 hours like I could just
sit here and be like and what about this person yeah I mean it's it's so interesting and I think that you know to
to bring it back to how we started like all of these planets and all of these different placements didn't necessarily
need to manifest like this but it's interesting to have the story line and to know you know who these individuals
were what these events were what how did this all take shape and then how does what how did the planets support that
you know and like how were they leaning into these different attributes What mechanisms were there the worst versions
of them right it's so true and now with the sky looking so similar what can we do now I was going to say everybody's
got to like everybody hold on tight and make good choices yeah exactly and I think that it's such a cautionary tale
and it continues to be a cautionary tale of mob mentality oh yeah always and what
to do and we we constantly are battling this we're constantly battling like Mass
cancellations of people and just like you know all rumors and the swirling of social media and to me it's like yeah of
course Jupiter is in Gemini you know of course we have to navigate the same types of conditions wow it's just that
we're approaching it you know we have different tools yeah in a different age that makes so much sense instead of just
meeting by like the town water pit you're meeting on social media right talking about someone right but like a
mass cancellation without any evidence to back it up to me feels like watching you know gu's Cory get pressed exactly
ites exactly like that and who sticking the tongue back in the mouth like don't be disgusting yeah don't be that person
sticking the tongue back in the mouth Yes don't be George never be a George Corwin that's
the moral of this story never be a George Corwin maybe be somewhat of a Giles Proctor or I just morph them
together be your own character exactly be the good parts of and the good parts of John to do that I felt it that was on
purpose it was it was make up your own name increase SM how about that I like it no this was so much fun I want to do
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Brief Summary

Alisa Kelly discusses astrology's role in the Salem Witch Trials, revealing connections between celestial events and historical figures' actions.

Key points

Astrology and Self-Discovery. Alisa shares how astrology helped her understand herself and others better.
The Salem Witch Trials and Astrology. Exploring the astrological events surrounding the Salem Witch Trials.
The Accusations Begin. March 1, 1692 marks the start of the examinations of the accused, leading to chaos.
Jupiter Enters Gemini. On May 27, 1692, Jupiter moves into Gemini, amplifying chaotic energy.
The Shift in Salem Trials. In September 1692, the court stopped meeting, marking a turning point in the trials.
Anne Putnam's Admission. Years later, Anne Putnam admitted to making accusations up, seeking forgiveness from the church.

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The question of whether astrology is real is less significant than the conversations it sparks.

Discussion on the value of astrological conversations.

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