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crime [Music] Monday August 7th 1972 16-year-old Janette dma told her mother she was going to go to her
friend's house to spend the afternoon the friend lived about 8 miles away and Janette did not yet have her
driver's license her mother offered to drive her but it was nice that day Janette
insisted on walking she left her home just shortly after 1:00 p.m. that day the plan a 3M
solo hike to the train station and then the train would drop her nearby her friend's
home while Janette was seen walking that day she never arrived at her friend's house nor did she
call it's believed that she never even made it to the train station she simply disappeared
on September 19th after Janette had been missing for 6 weeks and one day the discovery of a rotting human forearm LED
police and investigators to her body discovered in the woods badly decayed and resting on a cliff known as
the devil's teeth the coroner could find no signs of bullet or stab wounds after examining the body he could
provide the police and the dma family with no cause of death for Janette and the police could offer no
explanation as to why her body would be found in that location investigators suspected drugs
or strangulation her death was being treated as a homicide mainly because of where the body had been
found when the community needed answers the rumor mill began to generate stories
about Satanism and Witchcraft this only fueled more gossip how did this innocent teenage
girl die and if it was in fact murder who had killed her and who knew about this was she killed by a stranger that
saw her walking that day or was it a friend or maybe a boy she knew or was it the mafia or some kind of police cover
up this is a continued story of the bizarre death of 16-year-old Janette [Music]
dealma as everyone may remember from last week after they found janette's body the police were quick to identify
her however they could not offer anything conclusive as to how she had died or what the cause of death was it's
pretty obvious that the investigator suspected drugs early on statements from the investigators state that when they
located the body remember her pocketbook was found nearby obviously you check the
pockets of her pants and the pocketbook looking for identification maybe a driver's license school ID or even a
library card to tell you who this body May belong to but the investigators were also checking and looking for drugs on
her person or in that pocketbook or even evidence of possible drug use they suspected either a suicide or
possible accidental overdose from drugs they found no drugs and no evidence of drug use either they also didn't locate
any forms of identification on her putting a name to the body came later by the way of her dentist comparing x-rays
in her dental history more importantly L they would test the body for drugs these tests
provided no answers only more questions as there were no trace of drugs found in
the body they did however find a high level of lead came back in these tests so possible lead poisoning but I I don't
think that would explain why her body was found in the woods on top of a cliff also the amount of lead detected from
these tests shows a level that while it is quite High it is not a level that is high enough to
where you would commonly see death occur so what does this all mean well it certainly clears up one or two of the
what seems to be very likely possibilities when you look at this case from afar that being she didn't use drugs to
kill herself right and she didn't overdose on anything yeah at some party correct so that might put to an end the
possibility of her showing up at that BL at the blattis house dying from something you know drinking too much or
doing drugs and something happening to her so it couldn't have been an overdose now while we cannot fully determine if
she was or not at the blatus home that day this kind of clears that up in my opinion well it wouldn't be uncommon to
find a body that's been on a ground that is a Dumping Ground for construction to
have traces of lead because if they're dumping construction items they're dumping paint which would have lead in
it in 1972 yeah and you bring up a very good point because we have to keep in mind
that her body had been resting there for weeks before she was found and remember
we said that her body had sunk into the ground to the point that later a girl that knew her and had visited the site
just days after they removed janette's body from the devil's teeth right she's there she's saying that she could see
she could still see the outline or the impression that the body had made in the ground and janette's body was badly
decayed so bad to the point that some have said portions of her body and the clothing had become one could portions
of the body and the ground have done the same or did elements hiding in or making
up the ground below her seep into the body through osmosis or you know leaving high traces of lead later found in the
body through osmosis here's the thing though that that I don't think that they did Captain and and you're you're
exactly right I I wonder did they take soil samples of the area it doesn't appear that they did we can't find any
record of that right um but it's a it's a Dumping Ground for construction and and if you ask the people that are
dumping stuff what did you dump and they said well we use this paint which has lead in it and we dumped it into the
soil and then this body is found inches within the soil what is what is it going
to absorb mm that paint and what is that paint going to have in it lead so it's pretty easy I think to explain yeah yeah
I think they could have gone the extra mile and actually went back to the scene and maybe taken a soil sample yeah
couldn't have hurt the investigation uh in any direction at all but let's let's move you on because I think those are
all reasonable explanations why these high traces of lead were found in her body I want to move on to a possible
suspect here captain and this takes place about a month or so after janette's body was found now please keep
in mind by this time two things had already occurred in this case yeah the rumor mill was turning out whichcraft
stories and well and the second thing Captain is that the stories coming out in the newspaper were starting to taper
off so less information either coming out or being presented however you choose to look at it this is when a
young dude this is 21-year-old Terry Rael he goes to the police department and he tells them there is something
they should know about where janette's body was found he tells them that where she was found is right by where someone
lives Terry told the detective about a homeless man that made part of the woods that is fairly close to where the body
was found well this this homeless man he he made it his home you know he was staying there he wasn't homeless right
yeah I guess that's a contradiction right uh this patch of woods is is the home to this homeless man what's this
guy's name you know what Captain you you mentioned something that you said well he's not really homeless that makes me
think of an old uh George Carlin bit who who I miss dearly M when he was good friends yeah all very good friends we
used to go picnicking in the park and uh he said that uh George Carlin said that
there are no such thing as homeless people because because home is a state of mind what they what they are is
houseless right so I in good memory of my good picnicking friend George Carlin I will refer to this guy as houseless
right so this young man tells the police that some of the locals refer to this houseless man as red that he has a like
a shanty or a lean to or something that he's he's fabricated in the woods out here and he says that the man is called
red because of his long red hair and beard he's got a wild beard not uh kind of a hippie yeah looking guy yeah there
you go and this guy does work though he works um I don't know how much but according to the book that we've
referenced a few times the death at the devil's teeth he works several days a week at a local golf course you know
caddy Jack Looper you know well well so yeah so he's a caddy and he's working there for cash tips you
know sometimes you can make pretty good money doing that if the course is busy that day yeah or if you're not caddying
for the dolly Lama himself mhm this guy red seemed to be pretty resourceful as well you know we had said and mentioned
that he had fashioned himself some type of dwelling there in the woods well he would sleep and he would also cook meals
out there and I don't think anyone really reported anything on this guy than that he lived in the woods and he
caded at the golf course in town he's referenced in several different accounts of the investigation into janette's
murder but it looks like other than the caddy thing nothing else is really known
of this guy now the suspicion Falls because of the proximity from his dwelling and where the body was found to
further the suspicion it sounds like this guy read like he may have took off and left yeah which is a tricky thing
because when I think of houseless people uh I typically jump to the thought and conclusion that they're
nomadic you know moves around based off of need or or you know right but I but I
guess you know each is their own so maybe that doesn't work with everybody but well well let's get into this point
right because this is a big point of speculation yeah is we have this guy that's living in the woods that's where
she's found a lot of people think that maybe she was traveling or something and that she went into these Woods for
whatever reason and then he attacked her there like she has stumbled upon him at
night right yeah there's a few different theories regarding that but one thing I
want to one thing I want to clear up right here before we get into this too much Captain is okay so I have some
experience with this and and I'm sure lots of people out there do as do as well but back when I was doing Property
Management there was plenty of times that I would have to chase off a guy from time to time that was clearly just
squatting in a place that he found for a night or two and there's a there's a big
difference here this everything that we hear from the police regarding this red guy he seems to have been living there
it wasn't like he just found a place that he liked and he was going to stay for a few nights or a couple weeks this
seemed to be a setup that he had arranged and he was planning to stay there for quite some time the rumor
being is that he would show up in town stay at this place that he had set up in the woods and he would stay there
through the course of the golf season and then he would kind of disappear during the colder months and then he
would pop up again and he would stay in the same place yeah and he did this for multiple years so before we get into
this I just want to clear up that you know people are going to say suggest well maybe he was just staying there for
a couple nights that's not the case here the the thing is is how suspicious is it
that this guy took off because you got to wonder did he take off the there several rumors that either a he took off
shortly after Janette was murdered this would be in August of 72 B he took off shortly after her body
was found which would be in September of 72 now you have the maybe another possibility that it was shortly after
her body was found but once this report was given to the police this is in October of 72 they went out there in the
woods looking for red they found all of his stuff well we don't know if it's all
of his stuff but they found some of his things there and they saw what they suggested was evidence that he might
have left in a hurry like that there was food that he had prepared and just kind
of left it there that he didn't come back and collect any of these items it seems to me like he might I don't know
his setup that's hard that's hard to gauge here because if he's the kind of guy that he's just going to leave these
items behind and whatever happen happens to be left over when he gets back there
the following year he makes use of well what makes the most sense is let's go to
the golf course and let's say hey let's try to figure out when's the last time that red worked the problem with this
though was that the caddies are quote unquote subcontractors so they don't have like a
technical work schedule but I think if you interview the members of the golf course you could get a better timeline
because nobody really knows the schedule and it wouldn't be that crazy to think somebody living a nomadic life I mean he
comes into town multiple times throughout multiple years and then he goes off to work somewhere else MH you
don't know if he left a week before or two weeks before right so they need to they should have uh you know asked the
members of the golf course to try to get a smaller timeline yeah and what they did was they did go to the golf course
and like you said he a subcontractor or whatever you want to refer to it as it the golf course didn't know his real
name either they just referred to him as red as well he didn't he didn't work work for the golf course the the way
that I understand it to be is back then that these guys would just kind of show up
randomly from time to time and they would sit there and wait for a golfer to come up and say hey I need a caddy yeah
and then they would carry their bag and follow along and get tipped at the end of the at the end of the round so he
didn't you know he didn't in a sense work for the golf course and I think you're right that would have been an
interesting Avenue to take is to talk to the actual golfers because you know how
this thing works Captain some of these people when they I know nothing when they when they show up when these
golfers that are there time and time again they may ask for him by name right right you know somebody may know his
schedule or at least the last time they saw him or he caded for them well the the other speculation here is that you
know they find they find her body in the woods right mhm and then this guy hits the hits the road maybe it was just that
they found a body in the woods and that scared the the crap out of him if I'm living in the woods right mhm down by
the river um and they find a body you think I'm going to stay there I have standards of where I live when I'm
living in the woods I have standard and I can't be living in woods that they found a body in I love that cuz I think
you and I share the same feeling on this where you have the rumor that this guy left after having killed her like left
in August after having killed her she's not found until September you and I kind
of lean towards the possibility that maybe he was living there till closer to the time that they had found her or
maybe even afterwards well right but they did track this guy down yeah yeah they did and this is this is what what's
weird I don't know the particulars of how they tracked him down but they did identify him and they did eventually
speak with him so supposedly this guy R must have checked out because either they have nothing on him which could
just be the case or either through questioning or some other technique they let him go after having cleared him
several online reports of this case will say that the guy was cleared personally
I question that yeah but the the rumor mill is that red came from money and that when they went to uh look
into this guy as a suspect they ran into a situation where he came from a lot of
money filthy stinking rich and that is the reason why we have thoughts of there being a cover up that he was going to
lawyer up and they decided they couldn't fight the good fight and defeat this guy
in trial yeah or the people that he um his family was so powerful MH that they stopped the investigation anyways and
that's just a rumor right and but I would like to I would really like to explore why they cleared the guy because
I've seen online reports stating that he was cleared not that not that we just couldn't charge him with anything that
oh we checked into him and he checks out yeah but again this is a a weird time in
in history 72 so late' 60s 7s you have a lot of people uh living in Vans and traveling across the country and just
you know taking some time off to discover themselves MH and this guy could have came for money and said you
know I'm just going to live off the land and I'm going to caddy during the day and and he could have went to visit some
family or friends during this time where she went missing cuz like there's a six
week Gap right right no and well that's what I'm getting at though with if okay so if he supplies you with an alibi the
trouble that you run run into here is I'm guessing that if you cannot determine the cause of death then
determining the approximate time of death is way out of the question right so unless in some type of interview he
can sit down and say hey I was in Europe with Bill Todd Tammy and Ethel backpacking through the hillside from
August 3rd to the 30th right you know I I would question really any kind of Alibi that you get from anybody on this
to me The Alibi would be kind of a non-factor here right like you said I mean the frustration with this case is
okay this guy that seems like a plausible suspect what is his Alibi M my other thought would be is you know back then
this is this is 1972 And this this would be a just a total guess I've never seen
any evidence of this but my thought would be think about 1972 they put a lot of faith in the old lie detector test
back then a lot of faith in the polygraph test back then and if they really like this guy or if they really
wanted to try to clear him or really hone in on him they're going to try to get him to give a polygraph test
especially if he's cooperating during the the questioning portion right and so maybe he took that test and passed it
passed with flying colors and they're like all right we're all done with you now one thing that uh and you referenced
this last week I believe you referenced the West Memphis 3 last week when we were talking about this Devil's teeth
case and it kind of made me remember something uh regarding John Douglas uh from the FBI's behavior science unit now
one thing that he said and he said this in several profiles that he's given not all of them this is not something that
that runs across the board but he gives this in several profiles and he even gives it when he gives the criminal
profile of who he think may have perpetrated the West Memphis 3 case okay and he states that in a lot of these
cases that somebody but will pass this guy will pass the lie detector test you could bring him in you could hook him up
to the polygraph he still killed her but he will pass the test right I wonder I wonder if they use that to clear him and
hearing that from John Douglas makes you suspect I mean it's a scary thought to think of how many people throughout the
years they may have used the polygraph test to clear them and then it turns out they they only passed the polygraph
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something strange going on and we we need to point out that Janette depalma's murder and her case is not really the
only one of the time that goes unsolved we have to fast forward to 1974 where we have girls getting killed at
what I've made in my notes here as an alarming rate in New Jersey in 1974 I want to bring up something uh and
this is mainly taken from the New York Times and we've summarized the article but the uh the article's headline is
rights held for two girls latest of six slain and this is is from uh December 30th
1974 they had a Catholic mass celebrating the lives of two teenage girls two teenage girls that were
murdered hundreds of people attended the Wake while this is going on there were detectives from three different counties
meeting all New Jersey counties meeting and comparing notes on Unsolved killings
of six teenage girls now the church service was for Joanne dardo 15 years old and Dorene carluchi who is 14 years
old they were last seen walking together on December 13th they first went to a recreation
center they left there and going to a nearby convenience store and after leaving the store they disappeared into
the night roughly 2 weeks later their bodies were discovered in a wooded area in Mana lappen Township New
Jersey an examination revealed that both had been badly beaten and they died as a
result of strangulation both bodies were found partially nude and one of the girls
still had a length of electric cord wrapped around her neck father Strano oversaw the services for the girls and
he directed most of his sermon at the classmates of the Dead girls telling them learn to live life as it is do not
expect everything to be joyful happy or pleasurable don't look for constant climaxes constant highs turn away from
drugs grass and booze so I think Captain we may have to do with them being murdered exactly I think that you and I
might have been right about something here you know what why do we see the priest using the sermon at the service
of the murdered girls as a teaching moment for the other kids cuz he's a [ __ ] mhm and I think regarding Janette
dep Palma that is how some of these rumors about her behavior and about her character came about if you start
talking to kids at the services saying stay away from drugs grass and booze some of those kids start thinking well
these two girls must have been doing some or all of those things and that behavior may have led to their demise
yeah and isn't that some form of victim blaming I think so it's a 14-year-old girl you're going to blame her you know
she's some drug addict it's ridiculous and even though we can't put together a cause of death for
Janette there's good reason to suspect that she had nothing she was doing is what led to her her death right we we
can't we can't find anything any big red flags anything standing out saying oh this is this is some bad stuff that she
was doing or some bad people she was hanging out with we can't find any of that yeah it's most likely her trying to
find a ride is what caused her death so who are these other girls that that they
are mentioning in this article part of these six girls that were killed in 1974 well here's two more of them in in
separate incidents uh first one in January of 74 and then in February of 74 we have Suzanne Garden who was just 14
years old and Cynthia lesie 18 years of age both were out uh walking after Susan
was out walking after leaving her home and then cthonia who was out running errands both were found dead just days
after they were last seen both strangled both partially clothed and the bodies left in wooded areas now neither of
these girls had been sexually assaulted uh this happened over in do Township now
I want to take us to Friday August 9th 1974 and let's move to a place called North Bergen this again in New Jersey so
now we are about 20 mi Northeast of Springfield where Janette was from and just actually almost two years almost
two years exactly from the day that Janette went missing we have Maryanne prior along with her friend Lorraine
Marie Kelly Maryann prior is 17 years old and Lorraine Marie Kelly is she's actually just days away from turning 17
years old they were planning to go to the mall walking to the mall according to prior's family this was around 4 in
the afternoon when they left saying that they would be back a little after 5:00 p.m. but they they don't return right
MaryAnn's mother calls the police and attempt to report that her daughter is missing well Captain you can probably
guess what happens here right so her mother and you know they're they're told she's not missing until it's been 24
hours we can't take a report such [ __ ] so her mother and older sister go out looking for her and unfortunately
they find nothing once the mother mother is finally able to or shall we say allowed to report her daughter missing
the police insist that she is a runaway and therefore she is labeled as such on the report that they
take do your job yeah they did do some looking for her uh we have to be fair and state that one person they spoke
with among others was Line's boyfriend this is uh Ricky molinero now Ricky fills the police in on some of the
details of that evening he says that he had picked the girls up and drove them for a portion of their trip I'm guessing
toward their destination but dropping them off along the way it sounds like the two teenage girls had a few stops to
make on their walk before returning home right Ricky tells the police that the plan was that he was going to pick them
up at a predetermined location at approximately 900 p.m. that night Ricky goes to the pickup point and his his
girlfriend Lorraine and her friend Maryanne they never show up 5 days later on August 14th
1974 and about 20 mi away the two girls bodies were found on a hill in Montvale New Jersey the two girls were naked and
lying next to each other uh and this is an account mainly taken from Pix 11 in New York and checked with the New York
Times it's referred to as a hill but it's more like this there's there's a parking lot and then there's some Woods
near the parking lot MH this is pretty much a small stretch of land between the parking lot and the woods that's where
the bodies were found so what I picture is someone pulling up pulling into the lot and a truck or a car pulling up and
to a little land strip there and unloading these bodies and either carrying them or more likely dragging
them one at a time from the vehicle and then laying or placing them between the lot and the woods mhm just to give you a
quick idea of what we are looking at the Pix 11 headline one of the Articles mentioned is says torture rape and
murder of two North Burgan tees still a mystery now the girls like Janette were found face down M and other than just a
couple pieces of jewelry there was nothing on these girls and both were in bad shape we we see signs of taunting
and torture here bruising to the face and burn marks on them now these these would be small burn marks so possibly
cigarette Burns both had been strangled and due to leature marks on the wrist and Ankle
some have suggested that they may have been hog tied this is quite possible but I want to throw this in there as a
thought rather than hog tide and I only mention this due to the time of death offered up later by the medical examiner
so keep in mind the girls were missing for about 5 days well the newspaper accounts says says 5 days they they
technically went missing in the evening right and they're not found until later they're not found until a morning time
so it's more like 5 and a half days if you want to be technical about it right well the medical examiner comes back
with that they had been killed between 24 and maybe as long as 48 hours before they were found I love love these
windows they give yeah but they were they were killed within an hour to four days well it can it can get very
difficult to determine it's not it's not like on TV where they they stick a little probe in somebody and they're
like this person was killed at 3:15 right um but it doesn't necessarily mean that they were laying there the entire
time but they were just dead for 24 to 48 hours before being placed there so now we have we have a window right a
rather big window of 60 to maybe over 80 hours of missing time time that the girls would have been alive but missing
probably held somewhere so I offer up that maybe rather than hog tied risk to ankles I suspect tied to something uh
maybe more likely the ligature marks tied before or they were killed yeah that they were held hostage somewhere
these two deaths are very different in the sense that we see signs of torture and both were assaulted sexually well
with janette's death I mean we still don't have a cause of death and that's going to be the big problem so are these
connected I mean I think one you have uh women of the same roughly the same age so that connects them also they're you
know uh traveling by foot mhm so that connects them you know are these connected I I don't know if there's any
way of us knowing because we don't have you know to me it would be these would be in a line and that maybe Janette was
one of the first victims yeah you bring up something good there because you're right we see if if if she is in a series
of murders uh that we just discussed here you would see an escalation going on because and it's tough with janette's
because she was badly decomposed we don't know what evidence we would be missing because of the time that her
body sat there right but in these in these two women's cases we have you know the situation where they're they're
tortured they're they're raped they beat in janette's case it could be as simple
as this was one of the first attacks he had on somebody and he strangled her but
he didn't strangle enough to break her pyoid bone right but I do want to point out that there is a medical examiner
that is quoted in that article regarding these six murder victims that are separate from janette's case and this
medical examiner in his opinion is quoted as saying that the the killings are dissimilar but the prosecutor and
the investigators at the time they wanted to wait to make a conclusion until they had the opportunity to sit
down together and compare everything that they had now they never come out at any point and say that these are
absolutely connected they're just stating to the media that we are sitting down and working on these together
because we have an alarming situation we have girls that are walking down the street they're going missing and then
they're later turning up dead now I want to bring up somebody that uh most of us
are probably not familiar with and his name is Robert zarinsky MH now I'd be surprised if many of our New Jersey
residents even know who this guy is this guy is a real problem okay uh and look as as you can see in the early 70s a few
counties in New Jersey had a real problem now this guy zarinsky he might not have been the single source of all
of their problems but I'll sum up what we know about him and I'll let you be the judge so Robert zarinsky was born in
1940 and at the ripe age of 18 it's believed that he had killed for the first time this is in 1950 eight they
think that he killed a cop and the story goes like this there's a officer Charles
berari so this officer responds to a burglary that's in progress at the Miller Pontiac car dealership in raway
New Jersey MH the officer when he arrives and he startles these two guys he's fired at uh and he returns
fire now the officer was shot and killed at the scene fingerprints were left and
lifted from the crime scene hang on to your horses Captain cuz this is strange 41 years later M they
identified the fingerprints and matched them to a man by the name of Theodore schiffner now turns out that Schiffer
was at the Pontiac dealership that night way back in 1958 he was there with his cousin Robert
zarinsky and when the officer caught them there they shot at the officer the officer managed to actually shoot both
of these men that night good for him and yet they find a way to get away in 2001
zorinsky sister testified at court that her and her mother had removed bullets from both Robert zarinsky and his cousin
that night the boys telling them that night that they had shot at a cop zarinsky was tried for this like we said
in 2001 but it was not successful he was acquitted of the charges how okay so we have his
fingerprints well they have his cousin's fingerprints his fingerprints weren't actually found and they they tie him
there because of what his sister States about removing the bullets from the two of them and the two telling the story
hey we shot at a cop tonight right but shouldn't one piece of the evidence is let's just see if he has a bullet wound
let's just find out if he's ever been shot before yeah I don't know if they took that Avenue I I would guess that
they right but then if you have been shot before and you claim that your sister didn't take it out of you can we
see the doctor's report from which hospital you went to take this bullet out of you you know it's you should have
been the prosecutor and I'll tell you why the reason why they picked apart that that case and they couldn't
sentence this guy was because they discredited the sister they you know they basically tore her apart and her
life apart and stated you know you can't trust This Woman's uh story she's a sleazy she's a sleazy woman she's easy
you can't believe a word she says but you bring up some some good things so now this dude zarinsky of course you can
see that he's going to be a career criminal you know and he did you know he had things like robbery arson a lot of
that sort of thing in his background and on his record but in 1965 it's believed that he started
killing women and girls but this didn't catch up to him until 1975 so is it a coincidence that just
one year after these six female victims were killed that he's finally locked up and they stopped and the killing sto he
was given a life sentence for the 1969 murder of Rose Mary oh man I'm going to butcher this last time go for
it Colin coland Drell Nice Shot nice try buddy uh unfortunately I I apologize to her and
her family she was only 17 years old she was from Atlantic Highlands New Jersey um but it's not just that simple cuz
zorinsky was indicted for the 1968 murder of Jane Durer just 13 years old but this wasn't until
2008 now he ends up dying in prison before the trial could start and then even crazier after his death this didn't
take place until 2016 D DNA evidence connected him to the 1965 murder of Maric kinsky who was 18
years old he was also a prime suspect and four other murders of young women in teenage girls from the years 1969 to
1974 and this includes the murders of of two that we discussed here this Dorene carluchi and and Joanne dardo these were
the two that were walking together to the mall right it looks to me Captain like if I had to pick somebody just
based off of previous crimes other activity that we know they were up to and being in the area at the time I
think that he probably killed these two girls I'm not convinced that he killed the other four I certainly don't i c
don't really think that he killed Janette DePalma well who knows I mean he's a he's a serial killer but I right
and it's not out of the realm of possibility right and he certainly belongs on the suspect list certainly
for those that include a serial killer Theory or an unknown serial killer Theory uh when discussing janette's
death he's definitely also on the list of pieces of [ __ ] that he is Captain I you know I suspect that had Robert
killed Janette that there would would have been signs of the cause of death there would have been some marks some
indication that she might have been tortured before being killed and I mean I I know she was badly decayed but I
think it would have been an obvious homicide because Robert zarinsky I mean he left the item he strangled girls with
at the dump scenes and even on their bodies yeah he was a real genius um that's why I question the autopsy a
lot because I know that she was badly decomposed but I just go back to the fact that um maybe this person didn't
have enough experience maybe this person just didn't do their job that weekend but it just seems like those are the
things that were missing that could really helped this case and I think you may have hit the nail on the head there
Captain I think I mean it smells a little FY you know well but you're talking about I think you're right that
the person may not have had the right experience mhm and the reason why that comes to mind is because the 6 weeks
between the time that she went missing and then the body being found I think that a lot was left uh from there a lot
was lost uh over that portion of time and that somebody with less or experience didn't know what to look for
or didn't know who to go to to ask the appropriate questions and I don't have the person's name here in front of me uh
the the acting coroner or medical examiner or whatever you want to call them at the time what I do know is that
the person was a an appointed uh it was similar to the FY Malik situation where it was somebody that was appointed right
uh the position it wasn't a position that they applied for and sat in front of medical boards and earned the
position it was an appointed position it was a practicing physician uh the person
was a doctor uh that that held that position but not a trained from what I could find not a trained
pathologist so you you might be Hest something there we we could be missing the cause of death simply because this
person giving the examination may not have had the proper amount of experience M now I do want to kind of move towards
a high note uh and maybe I should be bigger than this but I'm I'm not uh so I'm happy to report that the the guy
that we were just talking about Robert zarinsky is under dirt like we had said he had passed away he's under dirt where
he belongs he died late in 2008 in prison he had pulmonary fibrosis this is a disease that makes it increasingly
difficult to breathe so like I said I'm not bigger I wish I was bigger than this
but I'm not I hope it was hell for him at the end this is a guy that he's killing people by strangulation right
yeah so I mean the universe you know Karma sometimes is a [ __ ] that chokes you up really slowly for a long time
well and maybe fitting in a way that that was how he passed away but uh you know serves him right that son of we
bring him up because he's a he's a lesser known likely serial killer and there is that theory of an unknown
serial killer having worked the area maybe janette's part of that series maybe she was not a victim in that
series uh one thing that I would encourage people to do is I think that zarinsky could be a like
suspect for a victim that's named Joan Kramer and now she's not somebody that we've discussed here and some people
have have been led to believe or some people believe that there's a possibility that Joan Kramer's death is
in fact connected to janette's in some way right and we've not discussed that death here uh but I would encourage
people to check that out in the book that we keep bringing up the death on the devil's teeth hopefully we get a
talk with Jesse tomorrow tomorrow yes and the thing here is though Captain I do want to kind of wrap a few things up
you know as we've gone through all these different theories and and all the thoughts and rumors that were out there
regarding Janette DePalma and what could have happened to her you know we've talked we we spent the last half hour
talking about this possible unknown serial killer idea we talked about what happened to to the man that I brought up
Robert zarinsky uh what we what we failed to mention here is some of the other uh
theories that we've discussed and one of those being that one of the blatus brothers had disposed of janette's body
that something happened to her at that at that so-called party that night and one of the blatus brother brothers left
her there in the woods right now I do want to clear up one thing we kind of we kind of put the kibos on that because
we're stating you know there were no drugs found in her system right and second of all so why would you dump a
body that somebody ow deed but again if the person doesn't know how to do their job and do the autopsy right maybe they
don't know if there were drugs in their system or not well I don't think he conducted those tests and I I don't have
the information right in front of me I think yeah I think he sent that was sent off but I think it it was in a way
that and this is going to sound very crude and I'm sorry but it's it's what happened um I I I think because of how
decayed the body was that he had to remove a a piece of Flesh mhm from a remaining piece of Flesh from the body
that was sent off for testing now I I don't have you know I'm not a doctor I don't play one on TV I
don't pretend to be a doctor um but I I do want to point this out from my limited knowledge on how
this stuff works it's my understanding that that the manner that they perform that test by cutting off a piece of the
Flesh and sending it off is not the preferred way that they that they would like to do conduct that test right so
the test could be inconclusive it could be it could be wrong but there is some speculation and rumors and and some some
loose evidence to prove that she left that house MH so that would kind of well there's a couple people that said that
that's what they believe you know that they they heard from other people you know these are all people of the same
age that go to the same school saying hey I heard from soand so that she showed up there that night that she
showed up there that evening now there are a few police officers out there and we referenced them uh last week stating
that uh you know regarding the blattis brother theory is well I wouldn't work the Janette the Palma case because I'm
90% sure that this blatus brother and I'm going to refrain from using his first name had something to do with this
that left her body in the woods and he died he's passed away in it was in the late 8 ' 80s or early
90s and so therefore what did he die of drug overd Noose I I don't know I don't know all I know is that because if he
did then there was a little more weight to that story all I know is that he's passed away and there stating you know
look the guy we believe that did this or that had something to do with this is dead and gone so there's no point in
investigating that theory any further we talked about the homeless the houseless
man excuse read uh that theory he he did you know we questioned how they cleared
him uh he has passed away as well um he they found him in the woods he in another dwelling that he had put
together and I believe this would have been about 12 years 12 or 15 years after the Janette the Palma case he was still
soul searching he was still doing his thing in the woods there uh in a different part of New Jersey and he was
found and I believe it was an AC it was ruled an accidental death and the list case that
we covered was the conclusion of that for the listeners that were probably wondering oh yeah so John list after
having killed his mother wife and children in 1971 um he was on the run for 17 and a
half years Jesus during that time he had relocated a couple of times moving to Michigan then to Colorado and on to
Virginia m uh where he was apprehended in living under the Alias of Robert Peter Clark going by Robert Peter Clark
three first names yeah I didn't pick up on that he he did go by Bob for short oh
that's that's very Bob Clark uh during this time on the Run he had married again uh he was arrested in June of 1989
in Richmond Virginia uh the and I'll give a brief a brief story of this cuz it's kind of of
it's quite lengthy actually um but this is one of my favorite kind of old true crime stories
that I'm very fond of it's a it's a story that I read many years ago and some of you might be familiar with this
but for those of you that are not John list was actually apprehended in in large part to the America's Most Wanted
Tv show uh they had presented his case at least one time multiple times I believe and to the point where they made
a bust of what John John list would probably look like in 1989 MH now one of his neighbors a person that had lived
with him yeah I remember this episode yeah somebody that had lived near him in Colorado called America's Most Wanted
and said look I know this dude he looks exactly like him he's a weird guy uh he's the same age and he's going by this
name and he three first names he and his wife moved to Richmond Virginia and they
later tracked him down now the crazy thing here though Captain is John list he for like it was like for like nine
months he denied Being John list and he was like nope I'm Robert Peter Clark I'm Robert Peter Clark you have to
prove that I'm not this person that I've been living as for at least 17 and a half years but this is the crazy son of
a [ __ ] that decided I'm going to kill everybody in my family because I'm afraid they're going away from God so if
I kill them now they're going to go to God right now it's pure insanity and it's what what baffles me and all these
satanic Panic cases is those are there's a lot that we have talked about are that
are popular cases like the West Memphis 3 for example mhm don't you think these like very religious uh people killing
their whole family cases should be a little bit more popular to warn people right right I mean but often what we see
in these situations is we have somebody that's probably especially with John Liss let's use just use him as the prime
example but in this example we see somebody that is a complete psychopath and he's then going to use religion
God's name in heaven as some kind of excuse or or some reasoning behind something that the rest of us do not
want to have to comprehend right because it was a a [ __ ] and he wasn't a believer
in God anyways you know and look I'm all for religious rights and spiritual beliefs you know in a healthy manner
though MH well to to kind of wrap this up though the way that they and remember he was going to stick to his guns and
and say that he was Robert Peter Clark and the way that they did identify him Robert Peter Clark Trio yeah it's
the one man band uh they they found his old from his old mil military records when he was a young man they fingerprint
you when you go into the military well they compared those fingerprints for with his his fingerprints and they
matched him up so you can't gotcha got him can't get out of that so he was positively identified as John list
remember he left that letter to his Pastor that kind of was a confession remember he said exactly what he did but
like you were saying it's it's less of a confession fashion and more of um an excuse excuse and and and putting
some U backing up his reasoning or what he did but I I only bring that up because at trial they used that letter
against him as a confession good and then his his attorneys pointed out that they couldn't use it because that was
something that he left addressed to his pastor and they have that relationship you know they have the confidence
between the two of them can't be brought up in in court don't worry they they had
no problem um convicting him and unfortunately he was given the the um the worst penalty he could face at the
time was five life sentences so they couldn't they couldn't give him the death penalty they couldn't give him
anything more than five life sentences but uh uh that's what they did in the John Liss case if John L still went by
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Episode 181- This case begins with a teenager who goes missing. Several weeks later in September of 1972 a body is discovered atop a cliff, above an abandoned quarry in Springfield, New Jersey. Later it was determined this was the body of the missing teen, Jeannette DePalma. Along with the body it is said that cult related items were recovered from the area. Her body was said to have been resting on a makeshift altar in the woods. The murder of Jeannette DePalma is very bizarre and is still unsolved. This case is not known to most outside of the state of New Jersey. We gather in the garage to try to shed some light on this cold case. Beer of the Week - War Elephant by Rushing Duck Brewing Garage Grade - 3 and 3/4 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the unsolved murder of Janette DePalma and the investigation's shortcomings.

Key points

The Disappearance of Janette DMA. 16-year-old Janette DMA vanishes on her way to a friend's house, never to arrive.
Mysterious Body Discovery. Weeks later, Janette's body is found in the woods, raising questions about her death.
Lead Poisoning Mystery. Tests reveal high lead levels in Janette's body, but no clear cause of death.
The Power of Alibis. Exploring the complexities of alibis in a murder case, raising questions about their validity.
The Tragic Deaths of Teenage Girls. A look into the unsolved murders of two teenage girls in New Jersey in 1974.
The Mystery of Robert Zarinsky. Introducing Robert Zarinsky, a figure linked to multiple unsolved murders in New Jersey.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

She simply disappeared.

Describing Janette's sudden vanishing on her way to a friend's house.

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Tension

60/ 100Some tension

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