The Bedside Murders /// Part 2 /// 774 | Forensic Files

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[Music] on the Rainy Night of October 13th 1968 cida who was 8 months pregnant and
her three sons spent the evening at Don Delaney's apartment watching a televised
Disney movie according to Don Delaney he took them home after the movie and dropped
them off at Nancy Warren's property at 8:45 p.m. we're going to get into some of the details of this case the what
details we have but I want to I want to put something forth here where this statement says 8:45 p.m. I've seen other
reports that would put this drop off time as late as 9 :3 p.m. and it seems like most of the reports are stating
9:30 p.m. rather than 8:45 p.m a difference of just 45 minutes but that could be could be Paramount to this case
we talked a little bit about the time of death and not being able to narrow that
down to any great degree on part one of this case but it's key because there there were major questions about this
case case from the start and and this drop off time is really where my major questions about this case start and the
devil is in the details captain and he certainly has been hiding here for a very long time according to the
statement Don Delaney after dropping them off let's say 9:30 p.m. he then headed to
Sacramento this is because remember he's a California highway patrol officer he is in the process of undergoing
specialized training and from my understanding this was a training course that lasted two weeks where he has the
weekend off so he hangs out with his wife or at least the woman who has his last name who he has fathered the unborn
child with and her three kids at his apartment with his daughter up until dropping them off that
night and then having to leave to travel to Sacramento so he can stay the night that night to be there waking up there
the next morning to start the what I understand is the second week of his training which would take place Monday
through Friday now we should point out here that this would be approximately a 2hour and 30 minute drive from where
they are located which is about five or six miles maybe south of Yukaya California and he's headed to Sacramento
so in any murder investigation the timeline is going to be crucial but also the evidence that we
can find at the crime scene but because part of the crime scene is outside the weather is going to become a
factor here yeah the the weather is is a big- Time Factor right so you would expect and I'm I'm always shocked you
know we talked about this in the Nancy eagleson case where there was no reports of any type of shoe prints bootprints
tire tracks we know that in that case that she was abducted placed into a vehicle drove down the road about six
miles away just six miles away and pulled over to the side of the road where she's killed and
dumped in the woods like right at the tree line I've been to that scene you would have had to have parked your
vehicle in the dirt Andor mud regardless if you killed her in the vehicle and then then dragged her out to where she
was found or killed her where she was found you should have some Boot and shoeprints there's no mention of that in
that in that case here in this case we know that that was their hopes they had hoped that they were going to find tire
tracks Boot and shoe prints to potentially find and lead them give them a good lead to a suspect but because of
this rain and it's described as a a heavy rain the police openly talked about that in the early stages in this
investigation in the newspaper saying we we were hoping to get tire tracks but due to the weather conditions of that
night and early morning that simply was not possible now sometime between the waning hours of Sunday night and the
dawning of Monday morning Clyde a jeene and Nancy Warren were attacked and killed both women were viciously beaten
and strangled now we talked about in part one that CID was likely only struck once so the statement the report we have
here Captain States cida was struck in the face a single time we don't there's no description if they believe that this
was with an item or just with one powerful fist but then she was strangled with this leather boot lace or as some
newspapers were calling it a thong unfortunately she dies from this strangulation
her baby this is she's eight months pregnant at the time perished in the womb and her lifeless body was left on
the ground found between her trailer and her grandmother's home Nancy inside of her home Nancy Warren in her trailer
nearby was attacked in her trailer suffering multiple contusions of the face and head fractured right ribs and
hemorrhages of the spleen so her attack seems much longer many more blows much more severe
than what we see against cida now like her granddaughter cida she was strangled with this leather cord and
ultimately died of ligature regulation she's discovered lying in a puddle of blood on her living room rug
the as we mentioned the leather cord that was found tightly looped around both of the victim's neck necks so we
have two leather cords both approximately 36 in in length when the mandino County Sheriff's Office and
their deputies arrive on the scene they find the two women fully dressed killed in that identical manner of the
strangulation with the leather cord no sexual assault occurred on either woman that seems to be a pretty definitive
state really we have no Witnesses here uh with the exception we should note that we
have a doxen a little dog that belonged to Nancy Warren who was found almost next to her when the deputies arrive on
the scene they they ruled out remember we talked about them initially ruling out robbery as a possible motive and I
want to make sure we Circle back to that before we wrap up here today because I think that that was one of a few
missteps in in what was a very complicated and convoluted crime scene but sometimes when you're law
enforcement you just don't have anything to go off of we we don't know who the targeted victim is we don't know if it's
one attacker or multiple attackers we don't have a a definitive timeline it's kind of vague and large that's what she
said and and then at the crime scene we have really lack of evidence other than the the blood evidence that you you
talked about we have one statement and I I really wanted to find a way to see if
we could back this up with anybody else's statements and and there just no was no way but one of Nancy Warren's
daughters would claim that that she had called attempted to call her mother at 10:15 p.m. that night remember we have
Don Delaney saying he drops off cida and the kids at approximately 9:30 Nancy Warren's daughter says that
her call at 10:15 that night went unanswered if in fact she did call that night at
10:15 the phone's not answered that means either Nancy Warren ignored the call was busy and missed the call or was
being attacked or already killed when the call came in the crime scene here's where they they were able to to to do
some to do some real good work and I bet you they thought that this was going to
lead to the killer or when you have a situation where you you do have a suspect pull which we will see that here
in a bit you're you're hoping that this evidence will separate your best suspect
from the not so good ones right but what they did find was the crime scene investigation revealed fingerprints in
Nancy Warren's trailer that that did not belong to family members or to the First
Responders we also know that typo blood was found under her fingernails she had type A blood a few days later it was
revealed or believed by the family and presented to law enforcement that an antique jewelry box that could have
contained the information here States could have contained anywhere from $300 all the way up to $5,000 worth of
jewelry and merchandise was missing from Nancy Warren's trailer robbery could be a
motive but like you said they said it wasn't and and the the purse is dumped in cida's trailer when you have a
situation where you go we we can't figure out the motive just because you found a a cash box with 300 bucks in it
that was in plain sight maybe the Killer missed that maybe robbery was the tent here and maybe it wasn't a situation
where we're going to threaten this woman and try to get money from her could it have been somebody that knew her that
killed her and then decided they're going to take what they want but may have had to get out of there faster than
they wanted to it's it or or is it just a situation where we're committing this crime and why we're here might as well
grab a couple items of value mhm that that's what gets so tricky with some of these cases especially when there's
little items or like you said this box the Box doesn't have to be that big to carry a lot of valuables in it and so
then you just go okay so we murdered her and let's grab this box mhm or is it let's grab
this box because maybe it'll throw law enforcement off the trail now one detail here that I think is is very
key because Don Delaney he was interviewed the the following day yeah and he's got a great Alibi right he's
he's in Sacramento for law enforcement training a refresher course he's either in Sacramento or he's on his way to
Sacramento yes the records have him as being at that law enforcement training facility in
Sacramento he according to the sheriff's report seemed genuinely upset by the triple
murder and we do have the reverse the flip of that Captain is family members of Nancy Warren saying that they doubted
his sincerity he upon being questioned he's he's being questioned he's being talked
to and he is at the property with the sheriff's office when he's giving some of these statements so during that
portion of giving the statements he offers up a theory to police that maybe the women were
attacked by hippies who had came to nany's door looking to borrow gas and he says that he believes well he says that
he believes that there was a gas can that was missing from the property and that's what he's basing this off of it's
a weird story to surmise that's your new favorite word surmise it isn't so weird
if there is in fact a missing gas can but the the problem that that I have and I think that the family has with this
story is Nancy Warren's Family tells the the investigating officers look our mother kept a 38 in a drawer a
silverware drawer right next to the front door if anybody knocked on the door especially after dark that gun was
in her hand when she's opening up the door well I guess it's just weird that he says hippies cuz when I think hippies
and obviously I wasn't around during that time but when I think hippies I think peace love peace and love man well
that's that was that was the idea but uh we know it it didn't always work out that way the other thing too is you get
some of these drug fueled hippies sometimes you have pieace and love people that woke up with peace and love
in their hearts and now they're they're up to they're doing and committing acts that they never would
but because they're fueled on on drugs and they have to keep the Habit alive and they got to keep this nomadic
lifestyle going but also keep it you keep in mind the divide the Great Divide in the late 60s in this country would be
between the cleancut law enforcement officers and the long-haired hippies of course cleancut police officers are
going to believe that hippies with no jobs that hitchhike rides and smoke dope all day are going to be gonna be up to
no good okay yeah I I I forgot he's La law enforcement he's a highway patrol officer think about how many hippies
he's probably pulled over leading up to this situation so maybe he's going into it with some Prejudice or maybe he's
trying to cover his own ass in the situation do we have any other murders at the time that would resemble this
murder in this direct area the problem was I was trying to look for homicides in this direct area leading up to this
October 1968 date the only reference I could find was they were referencing other double homicides right they were
probably looking for something that was very similar and I don't think that that
gives us a great indication of if there could be another murder at some previous
time that could be connected to this because as I pointed out in point in part one there's a large part of me that
believes that murder number two only happened because murder number one happened right and and like with any
situation if somebody sets out to do something your crime scene can get very wonky real quickly if it doesn't go down
the way that he or she anticipated and if he or she or a group of people had to kill victim number two because of victim
number one well then that really mucks up your whole motive because their motive was never to kill two people
their motive would have been to kill one right to me I really believe that with this case and we've talked about how
important motive is so much in these murder cases that you know I I get it that that a prosecutor doesn't really
have to prove motive at a homicide murder trial but for an investigator motive is very powerful stuff to finding
out who did it and why they did it but the the thing that I'm I want to hone in on here and circle around and around and
around we have statements from the sheriff's office that say when they were told this statement of well mom keeps a
38 in her silverware drawer right next to the front door and if anybody knocks on the door that guns coming out of that
drawer that tells me something very important about our victim here Nancy Warren locks her front door why is that
important to this case her killer obviously was in the trailer with her so she wasn't just sitting there
watching the Nightly News and some some guy busting through her front door comes
walking in through the front door and attacks her and kills her that's not what happened here you don't keep a 38
in a drawer next to your front door and not lock your front door either somebody
tricked her into allowing them into her trailer or it was somebody that she knew
and she put that gun back in the drawer because when her family gives that state
to the sheriff's deputies at the scene of the murder they open up the drawer and that gun's still in there no I agree
with you and I'm going to point something out and I hope you don't get mad at me the problem though too is we
have these two trailers that are very close together what was the dynamic what was
the protocol that would happen when one individual would go visit the other individual's trailer so is it possible
that both of the victims started out in the same location yeah I I wanted to get a better description of
of cida's body and how it was lying between those two trailers was there anything there to suggest that she was
fleeing ny's trailer was there anything to suggest that she was running toward Nancy's trailer that unfortunately we do
not have a description that would provide us with any any way to speculate on that detail of this of this case this
is also information that the kids might not have known so even if they question the kids they might not know you know
when visiting the other trailer when they step in the door do they lock the door immediately at night or they do
they just leave it open uh do does the person that's you know every time the person leaves leaves their trailer do
they lock it behind them um when the kids are there or not there you know that's that's where it gets a little
more complicated but I do believe if if they're in their trailers and it's dark out it would make sense that they would
lock the door especially if they have a gun right next to the door oh yeah you don't you don't have a loaded firearm
next to your front door and be a person that doesn't lock the door now on over the course of a Thousand Nights or 2,000
nights could somebody forget to lock their door absolutely but but we're not here to talk about ifs ANS or butts you
this is a game poker you play the averages you play the numbers and the numbers and the averages here would
suggest that her her door was locked that night there's no sign of forced entry she's brutally attacked and
strangled and killed on her living room floor I'm here to talk about butts and thongs and Cisco we do have a neighbor
that reported seeing a blue pickup truck sitting in an orchard this would be near
the antique shop again the antique shop was not entered during the course of that night wasn't broken into there was
nothing missing from the antique shop that police are on record saying multiple times nobody entered that
antique shop I have to take them for their word on that okay so the antique Shop's not that far from the road but
the trailers are further back than the antique shop see that's what makes the most sense to me but very close in
proximity yeah what makes the most sense to me is instead of pulling into the driveway like you said if it's if it's
raining or if it's muddy it's not a paved Drive dway just stay on the road go in commit the robbery and
chances are it's like if I'm at this antique shop and I know that the owner just by talking to her lives behind the
shop well I'm I'm just going to assume that she's not leaving the money in the shop that she's probably taking the
money home with her so park on the road run in there maybe multiple people take what you can run out and
nobody's the wiser the thing is I mean if you're just looking for a snatch and grab to get valuables and potential
money you you break into the antique store and like you said for for somebody to believe that any valuables that would
come out of that store would be in a location other than that they would have to know the detail that the owner of the
store lives next door lives right by there again it's suggesting some some intimate knowledge of the victim
yeah or like you said this other box of jewelry that would be intimate knowledge
whether or not the the owner of the shop takes the money home whether or not she
takes a box of the most precious items home regarding this blue pickup truck that was spotted by one of the neighbors
he recalls seeing five boys wearing hippie type clothing in the vehicle according to his statement when asked
why they were there by the witness he said that they claimed that they simply pulled over to to sleep or take a a nap
for the night a second witness confirms seeing the same pickup truck but we don't get a description from this second
witness as to how many people may have been in it or who was in the pickup truck just that a similar truck was
spotted by a second witness who says that they saw this pickup truck drive out of the orchard around 8:15 a.m. now
now doesn't this iwit and this contact by the eyewitness doesn't this make you wonder was Delaney
the the husband let's say quote unquote the husband was he privy to this information because if he was then his
story about hippie hippie stopping by to get some gas would make a little more sense well yeah I mean you could easily
explain it away if he truly believed that there was a gas can missing from the property and and he overhears that
we now have two witnesses that spot the same the same style and color truck right in the area one of them saying
that hippies were in the truck he's he could just be putting two and two together and offering up a theory to
police the problem that I have with this second witness's statement is that they're saying that the the pickup truck
pulled out of the orchard around 8:15 a.m. well the bodies have been discovered by the 8-year-old boy prior
to this time frame and and police would have either been in route or at least a deputy car on scene
before 8:15 a.m. now all the more better reason to get out of Dodge right but uh
what you're going to you're going to kill these women I I don't think either of them went to bed that night there's
we find one woman in the the living room and another woman her she's outside and
her bed is still made from the day before what you killed both women and then you just hung around there and just
stayed there for hours and hours and decided not to leave until the police showed up that doesn't that doesn't make
any sense doesn't make much sense and the other thing that doesn't make a lot of sense to me is five individuals in a
pickup truck right I what I think we have here is I think that we have this is this is
desperation shown on the behalf of the persons that live nearby who would have the reason to be most fearful in the
situation the neighbors right they're TR they're just trying to be helpful they're trying to offer up any
information to me I I hate to be so dismissive of this information but it seems to me like we just have people
that are trying to help they probably saw something but it's I don't think that it's of any importance to finding
the killer or killers of cida and Nancy Warren well on top of that if these guys
are The Killers why would they not just kill the eyewitness they they just killed two women one that was pregnant
why would they have hesitate to kill this [Music] individual all right we are back peace and love cheers cheers to you
Colonel cheers to you Captain usually here I'm cheersing the people in the back and and and having a a moment of uh
cheerfulness in saying tall cans in the air but I want to point out something that's very important to everybody right
here right now because this is something that is taking place very soon there is
a an incredible incredibly important parole hearing date that is going to take place this month July 24th this is
the South Carolina Board of paroles and pardons and they are going to analyze and decide if Jeffrey Whitlock should be
paroled now Jeffrey Whitlock is responsible for the abduction murder and rape and it was
incredibly brutal murder that took place in February of 1990 he was convicted I believe a year or two afterwards the
victim is Joanne PU it we covered the case and went through some of the particulars of that case recently on off
the Record but I am reaching out to everybody today and asking for your help to help encourage the South Carolina
Board of parols and partons to not allow this individual to be paroled this month
you can go to change.org and simply search Jeffrey Whitlock the petition will come up please sign this petition
the name is Jeffrey J FF y Whitlock is w t l o c k look up his name and sign that petition let's not
let this incredibly violent individual evil individual back out on the streets and we will put that information in
today's show notes as well and if you haven't already check out the off the Record that we did on that case we have
some suspects as we talked about here in this case captain and I you know I can see by The
Hourglass that we need to move along and you and I have danced in some of the details or danced on some of the lack of
details in this case but again it's from 1968 so it's a difficult case to report
on and to bring you our coverage of but we're hoping that even all these years later that we can our coverage will
spread awareness about this case that seems to have been forgotten and it's a essentially a triple homicide case now
there were several theories and let's go through theories and these theories all
involve some different suspects here so one name that we've talked plenty about is Don Delaney so Theory number one as I
labeled it the main suspect in the slangs of clida Delaney her unborn B baby and grandmother Nancy Warren was
California highway patrol officer Don Delan now while he had an alibi we talked about his reoccurring training course
that he was taking in Sacramento the circumstances of the couple's Quicky marriage their living situation at the
time of the murders that's all to me very highly suspect of this individual so let's say they did get married in
Reno after their Reno wedding Delaney continued to share an apartment with his teenage daughter her name's Terry and
cida and her boys remain on her grandmother's property in retrospect his Alibi seems shaky very shaky and I'll
get into the details of that here in a bit he says in his statement because because what we get all these years
later Captain is people saying that you know what there's like 30 to 45 minutes missing from Don Delaney's timeline so
he checks in we have this law enforcement facility training facility that says we know he was here
at 1:45 a.m. now they may be saying 1:45 a.m. at the latest but their records indicate he was there at 1:45 a.m. his
statement to the Sheriff's Office was that he dropped them off at 9:30 and then he he head on down the road to get
to this training facility we already talked about earlier it's a two and a half hour drive look I
know that math is not the colonel strong point here but there seems to be to be more than 30 to 45 minutes missing
from his story and his Alibi he claims that well I my trip took longer than expected
because at some point I realized that I had left my uniform at my apartment and I had to
double back retrieve the uniform and then head to the training facility so that's why the trip took longer than
expected I cannot say based off of his statement how far along he was into into that 2 and 1 half hour drive before he
had to turn around and retrieve his uniform if I am to believe that at all right if he dropped them off at 9:30 and
then immediately went on his way to the training facility Well 2 and a half hours 10:00 midnight I have an hour and
45 minutes missing from this guy's timeline and I think it he wouldn't look as Shady but to have a situation where you
drop off your kids and then you're heading to this training spot and you just happen that the night that these
murders took place you just happen to not have your uniform and you have to turn around causing your trip to be
exponentially longer but what's his blood type that's the problem his blood type doesn't match the blood type that
was found at the scene I would like to know were any of those fingerprints found in blood because I don't think it
would be out of the realm of possibility that Don Delaney did not kill Nancy Warren and his fingerprints were found
in her trailer right I I mean he had a longterm relationship with her granddaughter who lived yards away from
her trailer so if now if you find those finger if you find those fingerprints in
Blood and they don't match his then then I'm thinking we have a different that Don Delaney and the killer are not one
and the same right the the family you do get these skew dude here's the problem though and we've seen this with CA cases
that we've actually worked boots on the ground you get these statements that that sound so incriminating from family
members of victims pointing to one suspect time and time again but you have to keep in mind they have a dog in the
fight right they they they may believe that this person is guilty and so when when family members say look he he
seemed like he was pretending to be upset he sounded like he was attempting to be upset we think he really wasn't
willing to cooperate in the investigation that's all he say to me because of the the emotion and the loss
that these people have experienced they're looking at it through through a different lens than than the rest of us
would but we also see these statements change over time too where maybe initially they they didn't suspect him
of the crime then maybe his demeanor his actions and then they again like you said they're they're seeing these
actions through a different like anti-ros pedal glasses well and I think you might have
the same going on on the flip of that where you may have it's 1968 you have Menino County Sheriff's Office
investigating this case and they are looking at this man who is a state highway patrolman and maybe they're
looking at it through a different lens going well we should take him at his word he's a fellow officer we should
yeah his statements should carry more weight than than others and oh his his blood type doesn't match the blood
that's found at the scene so there are some sources that say that the County Sheriff's Office cleared him as a
suspect I don't love reporting that because one I don't know how true that is and two I I don't know that that if
if they did in fact clear him I what did they base that off of just his word the
information that follows that statement is that he has an alibi The Alibi is this Sacramento training facility well
we've already covered that there's an hour and a half to an hour and 45 minutes missing from his timeline that's
not a great Alibi considering you can beat and strangle two women in less than an hour and a half's Time who are some
of the other suspects in this case well you have the father remember he was fighting for full custody of or fighting
for custody of his three boys right which ultimately it sounds like he was granted after the murder so that that
makes me really want to look at him there were rumors of and I I want to say rumors because I couldn't find any
police reports to back this up but there are rumors that the the marriage ended due to domestic violence on his part so
the statements are that he was fiercely battling over custody rights of the these three boys and then Mom ends up
killed she's seeing somebody else already pregnant maybe already even married again though with with John with
the Father the statements are that he was eliminated from the suspect list as well
based off of verified verified statements of him being in Medford Oregon at the time that
the women were slain which that's where he lived at the time he has since passed
away he passed away in 2021 and from my understanding Captain there's while he might look good
circumstantially there was no evidence that ever tied him to the murders of his former wife and her grandmother probably
the most intriguing and this is one that maybe the listeners will find to be the
most intriguing is the Manson family or at least a portion of the Manson family has been considered and still sounds
like still to this day might be a possibility in this case and we know that the Sheriff did not rule out this
possibility the way that they become suspects the Manson family or at least a portion of them it's pretty loose but it
also cannot be ignored in my opinion so this is not just some [ __ ] where a nerd on his computer came up with this
and posted this on some kind of message board or on somebody's blog decades later no the the number one
best-selling True Crime book Helter Skelter page 619 actually don't quote me on that it
might be 617 it's either 617 or 619 discusses the possibility of the Manson family having killed cida and
Nancy Warren so that this is something that's been discussed for a long time now if you go back and you look at the
newspaper reports in 1969 after the Tate and the Le the Lano murders right we have the sheriff in this case the
bedside murders who is requesting information evidence crime scene photos after the Manson family is arrested in
December of 1969 so this is well over a year this is a year and little more than
a month or so after the bedside murders but due to similarities and due to the fact that they he has record of portion
of the Manson family being in Yukaya California the summer before the bedside murders took place we know that that is
fact that is absolute fact we cannot nobody can deny it Charles Manson himself we cannot prove was there but
several members of the Manson family several members that were present and involved in either the Tate murders or
the labianca murders were in Yukaya California because they were arrested after a drug party in fact there was
they were labeled The Witches of mosino County which sounds fanciful and it sounds like oh whoa what were they up to
what kind of crimes did they commit really they just caught them at a at a drug party and they caught caught them
with drugs on their person this would have been Quay luds marijuana and LSD so no no record of committing violent
crimes or even robberies in this area just but later L they did yeah but later they committed violent crimes and we
have this eyewitness saying that hey I saw this truck with these hippies on well and not just a violent not just
violent murders but think about some of the similarities right Somebody went into Nancy Warren's house into her
dwelling into her trailer and killed her yeah well Tate in the Tate case and I yes there's multiple victims so but it's
always referred to as the Sharon Tate case in the T case they went into that home and killed multiple victims okay so
bedside murders multiple victims where the perpetrators entered the home Lanka where Mr and Mrs Lanka were killed they
went into their home and killed multiple victims so there's some similarities and
let's not let's not gloss over the the fact that it takes a special kind of evil to kill a very pregnant woman 8
months pregnant yeah was cida guess what Sharon Tate was like 3 weeks away from her due date so two women who were both
very obviously pregnant were killed and in the Lanka murders Manson was present for that one we know for a fact he was
present for that one they tied up Mr and Mrs Lanka telling them given the old Dennis Raider oh we're just here to rob
you you know zodiac told told some of his victims the same thing I'm just here to take your car I need your keys and
some money I just got to get out of here they told the Lanas the same thing and guess what they tied him up with leather
cord very much like what was found at this same crime scene and if you look up pictures if you go to okay you can go to
celow drive.com and you can see all kinds of pictures from the Lanka crime scene and you can see photo
archives of the evidence in that case and you will see the leather cords which are referred to as leather thongs that
were used to tie up the couple's hands before they were murdered in that case now in in both of those cases they stole
random items from the property they didn't steal everything these were successful people that have lived in big
homes with lots of fancy things and lots of money right they didn't steal everything but they stole some things
watches credit cards stamps driver's license valuables they stole uh things that that were Antiques and to me it's
that's not pointing to the motive of the murder to me that's what these individuals had to do on a daily basis
is they had to constantly be on the lookout for valuable items that they could stuff in their pocket so they can
continue on with this nomadic partying drug drug induced lifestyle yeah and so the sheriff we know looked
into this and was pursuing this as a a big lead in the case in 1969 so much so that it hit the newspapers and it stayed
in the papers years after now there is a an interesting story Johnny the eight-year-old boy who found his mother
and great-grandmother Dead uh that he told a reporter this would have been less than 20 years ago when he was being
interviewed about this case all these years later it was asked do you think that the Manson family Charles Manson
and the Manson family had anything to do with the murder of your mother he said no he said you know I my instincts tell
me that they didn't have anything to do with it even though the sheriff wouldn't
wouldn't deny the possibility even at that time all those years and decades later but he said he said you know you
might be interested in hearing this story is that my father did time in prison multiple he did time in prison
after the murders as well and at one point Charles Manson was locked up in Vacaville uh longtime listeners of the
show will be familiar with that name because that's where Ed keer has been kept all these years so in
Vacaville Manson was locked up there and the story that his Johnny's father told
him was that one day he was walking with a group of guys and he saw man who was sweeping the floors he shouted to
Manson hey hey Charlie who did that thing up in Yukaya now his father told Johnny that there was no way for Charlie
to know exactly who out of the group of guys yelled at him but as his story goes
he says Charlie Manson looked up looked directly at me in the eye and said quote you'll never know will you
now that's a very Charles Manson answer to a question he may have no idea what the guy was even talking about I mean
for a very small individual he is a giant pile of [ __ ] yes there there's there's not many that are bigger piles
of [ __ ] but uh you know it it is certainly an interesting lead I will say that the the sheriff is on record as
saying that both the Manson Murders and the bedside murders case both fall into the same category
of they don't make any sense I think that part of that is where this was lost right unfortunately I think that once
once there was no confession once there was nobody that showed any obvious signs
of guilt and once the the tire tracks shoe prints and bootprints were washed away from that Heavy Rain that downpour
I think they were a little out of their league I think that they they may have run out of ideas I got really tired
investigating and and researching this case and constantly hearing that there they the lack of motive was always a
hindrance in this case what do you mean lack of motive there's every sign to me that there was robbery involved that
that there were stolen goods right from at least Nancy Warren's Place her family
saying that there there could have been valuables up to up to maybe possibly $5,000 if you want to Stage a scene
Guess Who would know to Stage a scene right a guy that served time in prison would know that you know what if I'm
going to go in here and knock off a person or two it wouldn't be a bad idea to make it look like the the motive was
was a robbery or to steal a bunch of stuff and just take it anyway the other person that would know to stage of scene
would be a state highway patrol officer make it look like a robbery stage the scene make it look like it was something
that it wasn't the the problem I have here and I and I hate that they moved off of or at least by that one statement
that I saw is that they moved off of this Don Delaney I think they took him at his word because of his law
enforcement background and it was 1968 right you probably wouldn't move on from a state highway patrol officer so
quickly in 2024 one thing that the Nancy Warren's Family out I don't know we have we have
the Karen Reed trial one thing that Nancy Warren's Family points out is Don Delaney says that he couldn't afford to
buy a home big enough for the five of them that's why they weren't living together the Warren Family says that
Nancy Warren gave him $5,000 to use as a down payment on a house she's dead and all of a sudden he doesn't know anything
about $5,000 now that is a he said she said or he said they said situation right but let's pretend for 30 seconds
here that that's true the the Clock Was ticking for this guy my friend who stood
the most lose and the most to gain and probably the most that he wanted to lose in this whole scenario Don
Delaney the the clock is ticking the the Warren Family is expecting him to buy a
home so that they could move out of the trailer by the way grandma is driving four times I'm sorry three times a day
five days a week to take these kids to school they went to school in Hopland California so she's driving because they
had different start times or finish times based off of their ages she's driving these kids to school that wears
on a person she's housing these people at some point if they got married like she was told aren't you telling that man
it's 1968 aren't you telling that man be a man and get your your your wife and her
kids and her and your soon to be child out of my property and start being a man here the Clock Was ticking she was due
to give birth in November they're killed in the middle of October and who was harassing him about the
$5,000 if he got it did he spend it on something else maybe he wasn't lying when he said he couldn't afford to buy
him a house maybe they weren't lying when they said they gave him $5,000 maybe he just spent it on
something else he also would know that Nancy Warren's got valuable property inside of her home he also would know
you know what it's not a bad idea to go into this trailer and dump out this purse real quick oh I got to kill CLA
because she spotted me coming out of the trailer or may have looked in the window
and saw me in the trailer killing her grandmother and could easily identify me the other thing too that I wonder about
here Captain does Nancy waren whether she likes Don Delaney or not does she open up the door for him
willingly on that night no gun in hand because they have to have a talk about the
$5,000 or or they just have a have to have a talk about their relationship yeah do we have to have a talk about the
situation of everything or is there a ruse of hey I'm here to talk about the money with you paying it back to you or
what have you it's just I have a real hard time and I get that he was doing what seemed to be routine because in his
defense there are several persons that say you know what it was not irregular for him to be dropping them off on a
Sunday night that they would often have Sunday dinner together whether it be at the Warren's place or his place or at a
restaurant or what have you and that he would be dropping cida and the kids off on Sunday nights so that's not out of
routine but what it does is it puts him at the murder scene and he also has a missing over 1 hour time frame from his
from his Alibi time frame I'm picking up what you're putting down my only issue though is one of these things doesn't
belong here right the blood evidence is difficult the blood evidence is difficult the fingerprints evidence is
difficult and the other thing too is we have if this eyewitness is correct and they saw
individuals that shouldn't have been there see he by dropping off the kids Delaney should be there
that makes sense why he would be there yep but you have these other individuals that are spotted why are they there
they're not supposed to be there Y and that's the thing I can't wrap my head around well and and that probably mucked
it up for the the Sheriff's Office back in 68 right you look the sheriff's office
is not going to be fond of hippies in' 68 and guess what they're not going to be fond of in ' 69 after a group of air
quotes h go out and murder two families and do you think because of the Manson connections do you think that's why law
enforcement maybe hasn't had the pressure on them to release more information about this case um no I
think that it's uh it was 1968 and a lack of investigative resources did not provide them with physical evidence
to give us certain details about the case right I I think that that they were limited by technology and investigative
knowhow not just by their outfit but by the time and that I think that this obviously I think we all can agree that
this would been investigated very differently and much more evidence would have been uh collected and stored if
this took place two weeks ago one part that I can't fault them for saying that Don Delaney's blood type doesn't match
the blood type of of who we think is the killer the other thing that's not great
for law enforcement when you get a typo blood type of of your suspect is that that's the the
largest population the largest portion of the population has typo blood so that doesn't you know if you're really hoping
to narrow it down that doesn't help a whole lot but I I think that there I question the
technology of 1968 I question we know that our victim bled a good amount at the crime scene we know that our suspect
at least at least one of the suspects bled at the crime scene do we have a mixing of that blood
that would would leave us with tainted blood evidence that would lead us leave us with tests that are not accurate
that's my that's my strong suspicion here in this case is that the the evidence is probably just not so great
and a lot of that is due to it being 1968 now as to what you were saying yes that's something that has to
be explored and considered because the there's no doubt that the masses believe and there's 100% %
evidence in fact I believe they were even convicted of this or some of them were convicted of it there's other
murders that the Manson family committed outside of the Tate murder scene and the
Lanka murder scene right they're they're absolutely is uh at least two that I can
think of and then keep in mind it was like six months uh I'd have to go and check the the exact dates but I think it
was like 6 months between the time that those murders took place that that made them so
Infamous between that time and the time that they were actually picked up and arrested for it so what murders did they
commit in in the meantime yeah that's one of the things that fascinating when you look into just the maning the Manson
family murders is you have known criminal activity known murders and then there's a pretty big list of
other murders that they're suspected of and they just haven't been able to I don't know if it's they couldn't get the
confessions or they couldn't get the evidence to try them in court or is it one of those things like with the
Atlanta child murders where there's just so many victims and you go well we we got them on these murders and they're
going to most of the uh Manson family murderers are going to spend the rest of their life in jail so close the books on
these other cases yeah and here so to give a little bit better information here clean up of some of what I've said
so the the murders that the Manson family is Infamous for took place in early August they weren't they were not
arrested until December you do have a good period of time that goes by a gentleman by the last name of crow was
killed by the Manson family and Gary Allen Henman was killed by the Manson family as well and then you have the
Shea murder that took place and then you have they they're suspects they're considered to
be suspects in it's like nine or 10 other other murder cases now some of that may be just simply you're trying to
make connections where there is no connection but like the sheriff said in this case he's not ruled out that
possibility it doesn't seem like a strong possibility I sit here and I look at this case and I think there's better
suspects one in particular that that should be focused in on more than the Manson
F you could be anywhere in the world but you're choosing to be with us be nasty talk a little True Crime Colonel do we
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Whitlock this week Captain let's recommend to the great listeners a book called chaos Charles Manson the CIA and
the secret history of the 60s this is by Tom O'Neal for 20 years Tom O'Neal had a
fascination with the Manson Murders and his interviews and his investigation leads to shocking New Revelations about
the FBI about the CIA and as said in the title The Secret history of the 60s check out the book chaos Charles Manson
the CIA and the secret history of the 60s by Tom O'Neal you can find that recommendation and many more on our
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Sometime between the waning hours of October 13th and the dawning of October 14th a young mother and her grandmother were viciously beaten and strangled. The night of Sunday, October 13, 1968 was a gloomy one, with rain falling steadily. Clyda Jean and her three boys arrived back at their home around 9:30pm that night. Clyda’s grandmother Nancy Warren lived in the trailer beside theirs. The next morning both Clyda Jean and Nancy Warren were discovered having been murdered in the night, found on the family property. The three boys were left unharmed. This case remains unsolved. The Manson Family is considered a possible connection and may have been responsible for the deaths.

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Brief Summary

The episode investigates the 1968 triple homicide of Cida and Nancy Warren, focusing on suspect Don Delaney and possible Manson family connections.

Key points

The Timeline Mystery. Conflicting reports on the drop-off time could be crucial to the case.
Brutal Attack Revealed. Cida and Nancy were viciously attacked, raising questions about the motive.
Missing Gas Can Theory. Delaney suggests a bizarre theory involving hippies and a missing gas can.
The Clock is Ticking. Don Delaney faces pressure as the Warren family expects him to buy a home.
The Manson Connection. The sheriff's office faced pressure due to the Manson murders, complicating investigations.
Recommended Reading. Listeners are encouraged to read 'Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the 60s.'

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The devil is in the details.

Discussing the importance of timeline in the case.

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Tension

65/ 100Some tension

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