The Backpacker Murders /// Part 2 /// 331 | Forensic Files

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crime [Music] we have seven bodies in this investigation a huge investigation going
on in a lot of media coverage now law enforcement they were worried that the discovery of the bodies and the media
coverage that followed could invoke an evil reaction from our undetected serial killer where he might go on a mass
murdering spree ultimately seeking more victims more chaos and panic in a suicide-by-cop ending and we have these
extensive profiles but really we don't have a ton of evidence the biggest evidence that we probably have in this
whole scenario is the bullets that they left behind from the target practice yeah the cuts and stab wounds are not
extremely valuable from a clue standpoint you know we've discussed this before it's just difficult matching
these up to a knife or another sharp object when you have nothing to compare them to
now the bindings are of good value though anything that was used to bind the victims in some of these capes cases
we know that they used rope and electrical tape that sort of thing so yes captain you're exactly right the the
most valuable clues that they're going to have are the bullets the shell casings the cartridge containers as well
as these ropes and electrical tape that was used on the victims yeah I would assume that it would be hard but not
impossible to take these shell casings and figure out where possibly they bought these from or what what rough
location so in late 1993 the task force err was formed they were to spearhead this serial killer investigation the
task force was made up of more than 20 detectives and analysts on top of this a large reward was offered to the public
for information on what the press were calling at the time the bilang low serial killings the profiles were made
as we discussed and they were made public the task force was established and now they're begging the public for
help so where does that get you it gets you a ton of info to sift through which is extremely difficult just to organize
and catalog everything that's coming in the task force one of their first jobs is to simply organize all of this
information and then to find a constructive way to apply it to the investigation and as for the
investigation hell just with 20 different task force members you have a lot of moving pieces and so some sort of
checks and balances is required you need to know for sure that so-and-so did speak to this suspect or this witness
and that the information was collected and appropriately catalogued because there is just so much of it some of the
focus is really going to be the gun angle right captain we know that we have bullets that were found at the scene we
know that we have two different calibers we're looking through gun licenses that's what police wanted to do they're
gonna look through gun licenses to try to provide some leads in the way of who is their guy or who is their killers
I've seen some numbers in this case and some were as big as the investigators may have been talking or seeking to talk
to over two thousands per two thousand persons just in relation to the gun angle but with all of their hard work
effort and analysis they really were looking at over 200 possible good suspects not just people that have a gun
license right eventually taking that 200 possible suspects and breaking that down
to about 30 some persons of interest without going through all 30 or so of them now remember guns may
be how they're able to find the killer or killers so they amongst other strategies are going around to gun clubs
and interviewing members at these gun clubs at one such club they were interviewing members and these members
told investigators to talk to a man named Alex MLAT so Alex he had a strange story to tell he sat down and spoke with
these investigators he said that one night in April of 1992 now mind you this is around the disappearance of two of
our victims yeah he says that he and a friend were driving home that night from the Gun Club and as they neared a
service road to the bilang Lowe State Forest they passed two vehicles one I believe was a car and the other was a
4x4 in this scenario he tells the investigators that he saw a woman a single woman in each one of those
vehicles right and also in the vehicle with them were a group of men the women he says were bound they were I don't I
take that back I don't know that he said that they were bound I know he said that
they were gagged but his description of this scenario is that the women likely they looked to have been abducted there
with these men they don't want to be in the car and he goes on to give very good
detailed information regarding the men and what they look like as well he's unable to give any plate numbers
regarding these vehicles police of course are gonna find this extremely interesting for any number of reasons
really what they're going to do is they locate the man that he says he was traveling with that night they speak
with him the man verifies some portions of this story basically that yes I was with Alex at night yes we went to the
gun club we took that route home and I believe that yeah I did see two vehicles that night he says nothing about the
women being in the vehicles he says nothing about the men being in the vehicles nor does he give any type
of description of anybody or anything that's going on never mind that if if the gagging part didn't come up like I
mean if you're driving home with your buddy and you see some girls quote-unquote gagged you think that
would come up in conversation right and if it comes up in conversation it's not something that you're going to forget
especially if you can remember being at the gun club that day and taking that route home that night so that's that's
what is is really a truly a weird scenario because we have two victims that went missing right around that time
we have Alex mullet who's saying that he saw two females in these vehicles that look like they were abducted yet here's
the other thing - until police came looking for him he never bothered to share this information with anybody he
never took it to police he never said hey I saw something strange going on or you know he didn't do this when he
didn't do it that night so he didn't seem to be concerned of these two women he didn't do it when the bodies were
found and as you just pointed out he very likely didn't even mention it to the man sitting in the vehicle with him
that night right because apparently given their statements they didn't see the same things right so it seems like
it's a half-truth story yeah he may have in fact have seen two vehicles there that night but is he making up what he
saw inside of those vehicles and that's a sick thing for somebody to make up yeah well you have to wonder one why
would he be making it up or two if in fact that is what he saw why didn't he tell anybody why did he choose not to
tell anybody then there's another person police police are talking about this is one of
their persons of interest and this comes from a tipster that called in regarding a man named Richard
Millette Richard told a co-worker and this is according to the co-worker right this is alleged what he told them
Richard said in regards to the backpack murders that there is a German couple out there that they haven't found all of
bodies yet this is before the German couple was in fact found mm-hmm he tells someone else I know who killed
the German couple other odd things and comments that he was saying he told someone how easy it would be to abduct
someone out in the area of the bilang low serial killings he told someone that stabbing a woman or cutting a woman was
just forgive me captain I've seen this reported several different ways that he said that it it was like cutting a loaf
of bread and then one of the other sources say that he said cutting a woman was like cutting a banana so I'm not
sure which one he effect used or allegedly said but still some very odd strange statements coming from this man
here I do want to point out a few things about what it is the alleged that he had
said right the first there is a German couple out there they haven't found all the bodies yet this may seem strange
given just that one statement that and even in fact wouldn't you apply it with all these others that we went through
but just that short little statement does seem strange but we also need to keep in mind as we reported there were
reports out there in June that there was a missing German couple so that that's not like it was some top-secret
information that was public information to anybody that read those papers hey there there's there's a German couple
that is believed to be missing since regarding that newspaper article had been over six months by that point and
then on top of that when they found the first two victims when they found the first two bodies what was the statement
given by law enforcement at the time we're gonna find more bodies we expect to find more body so really when you
dissect his statement it's actually nothing that he could do anybody couldn't have come up with right right
and again this is big news and they don't want you no hitchhikers or tourists going missing so is it just one
of those things where you go okay they're gonna find more bodies well what about that missing couple that's still
missing I mean it's it's not that far of a stretch to get get to their the other
thing too is is pointing out how easy he believed it would be to abduct somebody
out in that area that specific area I don't find that to be too incredibly of an odd statement well here's here's
what's odd we have two individuals with the same last name both seem like somewhat telling like half-truths right
so what's that all about well I think the most the strangest statement by Richard would be the one of I know who
killed the German couple yes the thing I would like to backtrack on which I couldn't find through all the digging it
just wasn't there if anybody finds this or knows this information please put it on the blog but one thing I was very
curious about with the statement of I know who killed the German couple was he saying this before their bodies were
found right right cuz I mean of course it you could see how he would believe that they were were killed but but to
make a statement like that before the bodies were in fact found would be a big huge red flag and as you said another
red flag is that you have two individuals who share the same last name who in fact are brothers uh-huh aha it
goes back to that profiling right right and that's the thing here we're going to
start to see some things regarding this profile and I think that you know not only just the profile itself but once
they're collecting the task force is collecting all this information that's coming in possible leads possible
evidence clues names that are coming up time and time again throughout the course of their investigation you you
really want to go when okay when we need to talk to two thousand people or maybe
more than two thousand people let's create a list of people and go how many boxes do does each individual
potentially check off right because we have to prioritize who we're going to speak with we can't just have a pool of
suspects being two thousand people and then they whittle it down to what did we say two hundred and then two thirty
right but now on this list of 30 it appears that we have two men who are in fact brothers and we do
have them fitting some portions of the profile itself you know just a simple statement of somebody saying you know
what it would be easy to abduct people out in that area that to me doesn't does not set off any alarm bells as far as
suspecting this person of being an abductor or tiller what it points out to me immediately is this person obviously
feels that he has a strong connection to that area to that that he's familiar and
he has knowledge about that area well that's one thing that was in the profile to be looking for we also have a
situation where the other man Richard Mallette he has a criminal record also in the profile one of the things on his
record involves a gun charge again as you pointed out better the profile now there was also another milette there
is involved in this whole portion of the investigation Ivan milette all three of
them are brothers they're brothers from a very large family I think that there were 10 brothers total and four sisters
now 14 siblings total yeah so we're talking a huge family here now Ivan was in fact familiar to the task force this
is because he was called in on the tip hotline now the caller thought that he fits some aspects of the profile plus
the caller said that he drove a four-wheel drive and owned some guns right known to shoot guns has a
four-wheeler also lives in a rural area yeah and I'll tell you what even more interesting than all of that this next
stuff again comes from the Sydney Morning Herald and the Herald really covered this case covered the story from
top to bottom covering it for years there is an article by Stephen Warnock where we have a former Senior Constable
Paul Gordon now anybody familiar with this case there there's some alarm bells that are
going to go off because this Paul Gordon is a complicated character in this story
and we can get into that a little more but what's important here is some things that we know that did in fact happen we
just don't know exactly how they happen because they reported they were reported
to the newspaper in a strange way right so according to one version of the story
Paul Gordon was working on a theory that Liverpool I guess this is an exit that is along the way from Sydney to
Melbourne via the Hume Highway he or somebody else came up with the theory that there are hundreds of Hitchhiker's
thumbing lifts south in this area and that maybe this is where the killer or killers were getting their victims from
using this theory they decide to go back and they are checking through police files for past crimes against
hitchhikers in that area what they find is a case from April of 1971 right so almost two decades before
our victims start destroying right in this case the offender or alleged offender was a man named Ivan Malec he
was accused of assault rape and threatening to kill two female hitchhikers in April of 1971 so we have
the hitchhiker's we have a pair of them mm-hmm and we have a similar type crime although it does not end in murder but
the reason why this crime does not end in murder the the two hitchhikers they got away from this man right and this is
basically because they they tricked him and they had to escape him he didn't he didn't let them go
nothing like that they had to escape and after reviewing the case personally captain I believe he very very likely
would have killed both of them he in fact according to the two victims did say at one point his intention was to do
just that mallette beat the charges though and if you want we can we can get into
that it's a little it's a bit of a difficult story and it's it's a bit of a long one but in the end his his lawyer
pulled some tricky [ __ ] and got him out of those charges okay I mean tricky [ __ ] well the lawyer was
able to prove that the two women that he picked up were in fact lesbians okay and
the lawyer was so home well all right yeah but okay here's the problem with that it's 1971-1972
when he points this out this confuses the jury back then right and you see what I mean and it's been uphill battle
for anybody that has come forward with any allegations of sexual assault or rape right and so back then it was like
big time yeah you know yeah it's pathetic but yeah keep going well I will say I do want to say this real quick to
the the attorney that was representing Ivan Malay at the time he is I believe he's deceased now mm-hmm
he was a homosexual man so in in a sense and I think well I shouldn't say I think
I know because interviews late in his life he says that he really regretted using that tactic but that's the tact
that says he chose yeah right he chose to use that strategy it was shameful but it worked at the time and as that that
is the problem with that profession because it's like you it's very important to have good defense attorneys
but at the same time it's and you don't want to assume that they're bad individuals because they help these
awful people get out of crimes well mallette it may have just been and I mean Ivan he's just super lucky right
because he was also facing charges and these were hefty charges of armed robbery in fact these were robberies
that he committed with one of his other brothers yeah then we've already named what ended up happening in that
situation is those charges I believe they were dropped because of the way that they were investigated there was
rumors of misconduct on the pot on the part of the police and the investigators in those crimes mhm and then we had this
situation where IVA Mallette picks up these two female hitchhikers and comes pretty close to killing them [ __ ] gets
away with it in court yeah which is crazy to me because it's you have two eyewitnesses
you know I mean like it's not just he said she said it's he said she said she said so yeah like you said a little bit
of evil luck but and then in the end in the 90s what's going to really stand out
to the task force is that even though he may have got away with that crime back in the 70s this very much fits it's very
similar to what was going on in the backpacker murders well right like if we look at the profile we have two victims
we have you know sexual intent I think we could say I agree or some type of gratification from it right and then on
top of that you have these armed robberies that were committed with him and his brother and that fits the
profile you know at least a couple times with them thinking that these there could be two attackers and then being
related so the maligne they are now pretty much the prime target of this investigation
and if you really want to try to put it in order I think we're looking at a situation where we have Ivan at the very
top of that list followed by his brother Richard mm-hmm and Ivan this looks like
I mean he looks evil well and the other thing that's going to put Ivan and Richard above some of the other brothers
in this even Alex who we've already named those two were known to have been working in the area at the time of the
disappearances so that puts them that at a much higher probability so they were looking into these men from this family
and the more that they looked the more that Ivan started to look better and better and fit being their possible
unsub so this becomes even more clear when police get a phone call from the United Kingdom it's Paul onions on
November 13 1993 Paul called the authorities in the backpacker murders case he saw the case on the news and he
immediately thought of the time when he was attacked way back in 1990 police never made the connection between Paul's
case and the seven unsolved murders remember when Paul reported this from the outside looking in you may have
thought you were just dealing with an armed robbery so now we have a victim coming forward and saying I believe what
happened to me is connected to your unsolved murders eventually they get Paul out to the to Australia and they
want to talk with him face to face they want to show him some materials and they
want to know what he knows of his attack eventually he positively identifies Ivan
milette as the man who was calling himself Bill who offered him a ride and tried to take his life firing the gun at
him as he was running from him Joanne berry the woman who was brave enough to stop her van and allow a complete
stranger to get inside the vehicle when others wouldn't even stop to help poor Paul she was able to positively identify
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enforcement they were locking in on this Ivan Mallette they surveilled Ivan for weeks they tapped his phone and police
located a vehicle that he once owned this is the four-wheel drive vehicle that Paul Onion's says that this man
named Bill quote-unquote bill was driving when he picked them up and attacked him so they found this new
owner they confirmed that it was in fact a vehicle that was purchased from Ivan still inside the vehicle they located a
22 caliber bullet under the driver's seat it matched bullets that were found at the murder scenes
da-ding so this is some this is some big info here there's some difficulty with the investigation because of another
brother and this brother's name is in fact bill right so what becomes difficult with this case is Ivan for
whatever reason was registering vehicles in his brother's name for a good portion
of his life the other thing - why is he doing that I don't know if this was with
his brother's permission or if he was just doing this on his own right but surely if you are up to no good it is an
advantage for you to be able to drive vehicles but not have them necessarily in your name right so with all this
information and a lot of it being information coming from Paul onions it sounds like police are ready to make
an arrest and they're going to arrest Ivan malette but remember all along they anticipated
that their killer should they be on to the right guy if the heat got cranked up too high for his
liking if an arrest was expected he very likely would want to do it on his own terms and go out in a blaze of glory
well police knew how dangerous whoever this man was they knew that who they were looking for is probably a weapons
enthusiast so they knew Zico yes yeah this is a psycho so they knew what to expect if they in fact had their right
guy so when they go to make the arrest on Ivan milette that they're going to be a little nervous in this situation but
they're also going to bring everything that you got right you bring the kitchen sink Ivan's house was surrounded by
about 50 armed officers most of them heavily armed officers phone calls were placed to the home the general strategy
here is captain you want to try to get your guy to come outside you really want to avoid going in after him so on these
phone calls they're trying to explain to him why they want to talk to him why he
is being arrested that day and in a good strategy here for many reasons they basically tell him look you're suspected
in an armed robbery we need to talk to you about that and we have a warrant for your arrest in regards to that that case
notice that they are conveniently avoiding the seven unsolved murders when talking to Ivan right Ivan didn't want
to come outside he he did this kind of weird game of like cat and mouse where at first he
kind of said yeah I'll be out just give me a few minutes and then a lot of time would go by and he still not come out
this of course making the police more nervous and more nervous as it goes along they would call him back he
would try the same tactic I'm coming out but I don't understand why you're here to talk to me I've not done anything
wrong now he's playing the innocence card I'm right this goes back and forth for a while until he he does eventually
end up coming outside right so on May 22nd 1994 Ivan mullet is arrested correct and we talked about the former
constable earlier who gave the story to steve Warnock and a story to The Sydney Morning Herald mm-hmm
this is constable Paul Gordon this is where Paul Gordon's story gets tricky and I've tried to sift through this and
I can't really find out that the real details here but what we do know is that Paul Gordon at some point spoke to the
newspaper okay and in this time that he's talking to him initially it seems like he not only takes credit for the
theory brought forward about the hitchhiker's and the location but he also takes credit for finding the the
previous case from 1971 that names Ivan milette as the suspect and he tells this
to the newspaper so he presents a story in the light where it's almost like I'm the guy that cracked the case and in a
lot of tellings of this story in this case it seems more so that maybe just as much as that scenario but it also seems
like the Paul Onion's the former victim the survivor that came forward was just as much that cracked this case right and
so where Paul Gordon gets in trouble that the former constable where he gets in trouble there was an a an agreement
amongst the task force and a and amongst the members that were the closest involved in this investigation and in
the arrest of Ivan mallette that they were not to talk to the newspapers Paul Gordon did so Paul Gordon was eventually
let go from that task force that's why it gets difficult to sift through his word
and know what to believe in know not what to believe right right because we don't know if he was let go because he
talked to the paper or if he lied being the guy that quote-unquote cracked the case but that was something that went
down now because Paul Gordon spoke to the newspapers now a lot of their stuff is starting to become public that's why
they didn't want anybody talking to the newspapers that were involved in the task force I may say harder to get a
conviction yeah and it also makes it tougher for the investigators to continue down the roads that they've
already traveled down they've already started down these roads on investigating Ivan Milat for seven
unsolved murders they've only arrested him for the armed robbery charge well now it shows their hand that this is
what we actually want him for this is what we actually think he's suspected of right and the fact that they're still
not for sure if it's if if it's just Ivan that's responsible or is it Ivan and one of his brothers that they've
already talked to and so you don't want to show all your hand because you don't want Ivan to be protecting one of his
brothers and you then you have another psychopath that's out on the loose well and you want to make sure that you have
your right guy and you want to make sure that you are building your case as such
but now with their cards kind of shown with their cards out there this is when the the lead member of the task force
says we were kind of forced at this point to actually start charging him with these unsolved murders now at this
same time the whole thing that's really going down and actually they've been working their way through this
there were searches obviously of Ivan's home and of many of his family members homes as well and they were very smart
they did these searches basically all at the same time so as you pointed out we can't have the different Mele members
warning each other of what's going on if in fact more are involved yeah so now that they have Ivan and their sites
they're going to have to search their property they live just outside the mm-hmm yeah and as said they're going to
search some of his family members homes about the same time right well they find some interesting things
in Ivan's home most importantly they find a 22 rifle mm-hmm they find parts to another 22 rifle they find a pistol
and they find one of those large bowie knives now he he has said time and time again to the investigators that he
didn't own any weapons and of course they immediately find weapons inside his home they also recovered a trove of
items believed to belong to the killed hitchhikers these items included clothing tents sleeping bags backpacks
cooking and camping equipment and cameras this is a lot of stuff and some of this stuff they can't 100% say belong
to a victim right but they can say I believe it was with one of the it was with some of the camping equipment yeah
they found was yeah no but what I mean by this is there there was one of these items you couldn't purchase it in in
Australia right you had to purchase that from where one of the victims was from so the the probability that he would own
something like this highly unlikely right and then on top of that we have scenarios where there are items that do
seem to in fact belong to the victims where you can make a direct connection where there's more proof of such like
the initials being stitched into one of the items right and so this is not looking good for Ivan so they searched
his mother's home as well and at least three of his brothers homes as well so this would be Alex Richard and Bill I
believe his father was dead his father had passed away wait you know they would have searched at least four of the
brothers because Walter his home was searched as well his sister Ivan's sister is a bit tricky for me
because look so that not only is this a big family with a lot of brothers and a lot of moving pieces but at one time
throughout their adult lives they were all a lot of them were moving back and forth in and out of Mom's home and so
some of them lived together for a while under her roof and I believe that maybe even Ivan and his sister shared a home
together at one time what the the big problem is with this is that not only do they find these these damning items
inside Ivan's home they start finding other items that belong to these victims in the homes of his relatives as well
and again this is things like clothing tents backpacks cookware things of that nature now some of these brothers homes
they found guns lots of ammo and marijuana so at the very least those brothers can be arrested and charged
with if they if they had illegal guns we know that the drugs were illegal there were charges that were brought
forth on that nature now yeah this family was known to one owned a bunch of guns but to be avid shooters you know
they're like I said they lived out out of the city and this is a time where you don't have internet and cable and things
like this so they were avid you don't gun shooters well and a lot of the brothers had they were rowdy let's say
right a lot of them had criminal records oh there's ten of them I mean if you grow up in a family just with one other
sibling you're going to tend to get in some arguments or fights or you know little tussles be especially if it's you
know two boys because y'all go girl there's or commit armed robbery together like they did yeah but what I'm saying
is there's there's ten of them so you just got this testosterone going and you know it wasn't rumored I think it's
pretty factual that these kids were beat at least the boys were beat up pretty bad by their father
consistently very abusive household so when you have that going and that probably stems from anger and stems from
a lack of resources and lack of money and also you have 14 kids that you're trying to feed we want to talk about
stresses you know when when you get beat by your father you might then try to take that out on your brother well
regardless of all these items that they find throughout the different households
when it this thing comes to trial Ivan's going to be the only one facing trial and he's now being charged with the
seven murders as well as the crimes against Paul onions Ivan to his credit during the whole time that he's being
investigated during the whole time of his interrogations and the questioning and the interviewing right and even the
trial itself he's always stuck to his guns he has regardless of what he's been accused of
he's maintained his innocence throughout now at trial not only did he maintained
his innocence he in fact pointed the finger at a couple of his brothers this would be Walter and Richard and his
defense that was put forward basically was stating that the crimes were not committed committed by Ivan they were
either committed by one or both Richard and Walter right the interesting thing here too though is the crown okay so
basically the the prosecutors and whatnot they are saying during the course of this trial we do not have to
prove whether Ivan acted alone or not right we just are trying to prove that he was involved that he did it and they
said that the evidence they actually pointed this out which which is weird to me but at one point they even said
something to the fact that the the evidence somewhat strongly suggested that he may not have acted alone but
they were so sure that he was in fact involved he is regardless of who else could have been in
ivan was responsible for the crimes we are charging him with and this time they're gonna get a guilty verdict yeah
I mean it was a difficult trial for all the reasons that we just pointed out but
it was in fact July 27 1996 a jury found Ivan Mallette guilty of seven unsolved backpacker murders he received seven
life sentences for this without the possibility of parole but our story doesn't end there
does it captain we got we got some more stuff to get through because on his first day to the Maitland Jail where he
was going to be housed Ivan was beat up by another inmate so there is your housewarming gift for you mr. Ivan
welcome to prison yeah you get get your ass kicked on day one you get [ __ ] up a year later Ivan and another inmate
George subha they work together in an attempt to escape from prison however they were caught in this
attempted escape plan and the next day they find George dead in his cell now they move Ivan to another prison to a
maximum-security prison at another location there are some more prison antics here
Ivan swallowed razor blades and staples in a metal chain no on one day swallows some made the blade yeah and then in
2009 he cut off his little finger with a plastic knife on purpose yeah yeah so this this is a just kind of a real
dumbass plan here but so he he gets this this is actually considered a privilege
at the prison where he was housed mm-hmm if you were under good behavior for X amount of period at some point you are
allowed to receive a a plastic knife like what you would get at a picnic right a plastic knife too to use while
eating your meals yeah he had received this privilege and once he did so he decides to take a plastic knife and
attempts to cut off his little finger to which he was successful but his goal was to mail to put the finger in the
mail put it in an envelope hand it off to a guard and ask them to mail it well as the newspaper put it cutting off a
finger is quite painful so once he got to that part of the plan where the finger is now off he had trouble putting
it in the envelope and getting it to the guard basically his plan went sideways real quick because he didn't account for
how much pain he would be in this he was transferred to he's a psycho he was transferred to a hospital because of
this but they could not reattach the finger so it is no more he has on several occasions attempted
hunger strikes to get things that he wants to get his way the most famous of these hunger strikes lasted nine days
this was because he wanted a Playstation in his cell the hunger strike ended and
I'm very happy to report that little Ivan did not get his PlayStation oh so sad one key thing with this case has
always been are there more victims yeah and if there are how many more well are there more victims I mean because like
you said he had the crimes a decade earlier that he didn't he he didn't get it he got acquitted for mm-hmm see that
just makes you wonder how many missing people are there and how many missing people have not been reported missing
because they were foreigners well and we're also talking about from from the time that he abducted those two women
beat the charges and then to the time that he's finally arrested we have two decades that went by right two decades
that went by and the murders that he's convicted of they actually happened in just the years leading up to his capture
right so how long was he active for and if in fact he was going to kill those victims back in 1971 was that his
intention all along if he was active entire time I mean we know he's shot at Paul onions so it appears that that
murder was his intent there or at the very least was his reaction to Paul trying to flee him now we know that Ivan
was questioned back in 2004 this regarding the disappearance of two nurses back in 1980 he was working in
the area at the time then two years later in 2006 ivan was named by police as the main suspect in a double homicide
in all it looks like there may have been about 10 more cases that they you know they they liked him for it they think
that he's a good suspect in these 10 other cases and one of these cases dates all the way back to 1971 but we don't
think he's going to confess to these yeah I don't know I mean he's never he's never been one to confess he's always
maintained his innocence throughout even all this time in prison possible deathbed confession yeah and the thing
here though too is yeah I really wonder about a lot of these other cases because
it would point out to me a couple of things either he wasn't taking trophies from the earlier victims or he discarded
of those trophies at some point it's just very difficult because I think he's probably good for some more I don't
think he's good for all 10 or 12 of these depending on what list you look at well we both agree that he's responsible
for the attacks on the the the lesbian couple oh yeah right yeah we agree on that yeah I'm actually
really shocked that even whatever you know regardless of the strategy I'm shocked that any strategy worked in that
case I'm reviewing it but I think you said it best though I think it was because it was so you know so many years
ago that's why this that malarkey worked but that being a you know almost cop for
that and then the armed robbery that could have been enough to possibly scare this psycho away for
so like you said do you like him forever all these crimes I don't know I think he
would have been taking more items from the victims like you were saying mmhmm yeah I I wonder in some of these cases
I've seen with two of them that I've reviewed out of that list those two almost feel to me like there is no real
connection and look I get it there is no real connection between Ivan and the ones that he is convicted of but in the
others there seems to be more of a scenario where he looks good for those he looks there is some connection he was
in the area at the time he may have been active at the time so on and so forth a couple of them you look like you
wonder if they're just starting hey well let's take a shot at it it's like throwing a dart at the board and hoping
that you close a case off of off of little to nothing right so in 2012 his nephew
Matthew mullet was convicted in court of murder because in 2010 he attacked a boy
named David Archelon II so this poor kid David was struck over the head with a battle axe it was a double bladed battle
axe and get this this attack took place in the Blanco State Forest the same place where Ivan Mallette buried seven
victims in the 90s so David was I don't know if you call him a friend but they knew each other Matthew and David knew
each other and another guy Cohen Klein was friends with Matthew mullet as well the - 19 year olds Matthew and Cohen
they lured 17 year old David this was on his birthday to the State Forest they got him to go along with them because
they were promising him hey it's your birthday we're gonna party at the State Forest we got booze we got pot really
the whole thing was a setup because once they get there at some point Matthew starts chasing
David around a car with the axe now the super gross and disgusting thing in this
case is the Cohen the Cohen Klein the other person there Matthew's friend brain as Matthew is attacking David
Cohen he recorded the whole thing on the audio anyway on his mobile phone and both of these guys were convicted
milette got 43 years and then we have Klein got 30 years I'm sorry might have been 32 my notes
are a little difficult here but in the Klein case he has a minimum sentence of 22 years that he's going to face for
that and the saddest part of it is this murder took about two minutes to commit the audio recording it recorded the full
two minutes and the I mean the judges heard it and and some of the people at trial heard portions of this audio and
it was very clear that this young man this boy David was he was basically tortured and suffered very badly the
last two minutes of his life there's the strangest thing about this Matthew milette character the the the nephew
who's now in prison and I don't know if there's a way to change this or the the exact stipulations of his sentencing
this Matthew milette guy should never be allowed out of prison yeah it's absolute
worst III really think now I want to get get into this too much but I think you know cost-effectiveness and all this
stuff with the death penalty it doesn't work for some states but it should be this simple you kill somebody you know
you know first-degree murder you go well away for life yeah yeah let's knock it this is a long road to go down
right right with a lot of time I you know he he tortured this guy we have and we know I'm getting evidence of it
and and he's he's gonna possibly get out one day and all he's gonna do is he's chances are now what we can hope for is
that he will not be a model citizen in prison and then he'll have to do more time but uh but yeah these these
individuals they can't be helped well as justice Matthews pointed out during the trial and at the during the
sentencing phase anyway was that Mallette showed no remorse and poses a huge serious threat to the community
this basically was a cold-blooded premeditated thrill kill mm-hmm that this that this guy did and then on top
of that what's weird to is that is not his his last name by birth yes he's related to Ivan milette but he's like
the the great he's like a cousin or sorry a great nephew of him and he had a different last name but changed it
because it's too violent when he was 14 now I don't know if he was just going by
the last name of Millette rather than officially having changed it but regardless I mean right there site you
see where we're going with that now we talked about the case against Neville night in the trailer and I am betting
some of you are wondering what does that have to do with this case we never really gave you the outcome of the story
of the 16 year old boy who was picked up by the cab driver the explosion that the
cab driver heard the boy fired a gun through the backseat shooting Neville in the back okay and the boy rather than
helping Neville he just opened up the door observed the damage he wanted to see the damage done and he ran off into
the darkness mm-hmm we do have a man that was convicted of that crime this was a guy that confessed
shortly after this was a few months after the fact we have Alan Dylan who confessed to shooting Neville
Knight in the back in that cab he was sentenced to five years for the shooting the attack left Neville Knight a
paraplegic and he didn't live an extremely long life he didn't live many years after
that and he did a lot of good for other people he became an advocate for wounded
individuals so he did a lot of good in his life but where this story kind of circles back around is in 2015
Ivan's brother Boris Mallette he said that Ivan told him he was the one that shot Neville Knight back in 1962 in that
cab that he shot the cab driver observed him and ran off now where we get the confession from is many years later
Allen Dillon the man who served five years for this attack he said the way it was presented to him during the
interviews with police was that they suspected his younger brother Allan Dylan's younger brother of committing
the crime Allen Dylan took it upon himself to give them a false confession to spare his
brother the jail sentence right and unfortunately all these years later when this story finally comes to light in
2015 Neville Knight is no longer around - to confirm these suspicions but if in fact Boris's statements regarding his
brother saying I was the one that shot that cab driver 19 1962 you can see the progression and it also goes to what you
can imagine Ivan was doing to his victims out there in the state forest as he traveled as he chased them down
remember choice of weapon killer choice of victim killer he got them out there he chose his weapons he chose his attack
and it's almost you see the progression that started at the age of 16 when he sat in the back of the
cab and fired the gun into the seat and into the back of Neville Knight we do have a somewhat of an update I
know it's our first time covering this but Ivan has been in the news quite a bit lately and this is because in May of
this year May of 2019 Ivana let was it's been reported anyway that he was diagnosed with terminal esophageal
cancer and I know I probably didn't say that in the best way but it's basically cancer of the oesophagus this from my
understanding of a friend of mine his father suffered this same type of cancer and from what I've been told this is not
a look they're all bad cancers but this one is particularly bad where the the survival rate is not very high at all
mm-hmm so as you pointed out earlier captain you wonder given that this man probably has days left if in fact we
will see some type of deathbed confession maybe it's maybe it's not all the information that's out there maybe
it doesn't you know but maybe it clear some things up we have other family members of his that
have been accused by the public and in suspicions upon them throughout the years Ivan did say through when he was
in prison many years after he was convicted that his brothers are not guilty of anything although he still
claims to be innocent of the murders themselves right but the I want to break down that scenario a little bit better
because I think him try and put the blame on his brothers I think that eventually came back to his mother and
he was kind of favored by his mother Ivan was so eventually at some point the rumor is or or what people speculate is
that he told his mother hey they're not responsible and actually confessed to her all of his crimes that's what they
believe yeah yeah I I went down that road and I but it's not like she has wrote him down and did a press
conference about it or anything so the way that I understand that is that the one of the lead investigators I believe
he was the man in charge of the task force he wrote a book and his name escapes me at the moment
but he wrote a book about the case and actually there there are several books out there regarding this case yes the
way that I understand the story is he that investigator eventually heard this statement through one of the brothers
that the mother the mother apparently told one of the brothers Ivan confessed to me and then she passed away so like
everything else with this story it's not a clean it's not a clean ending it's okay this story comes from one of the
other brothers we know that other brothers were wall and the other suspects or you know at least suspicion
from the public yeah because some of the items that they found that they believed Ivan had were
actually found in his brother's possession mhm um but now if you follow that story back
it was idem that he took from his family's home when he moved so it wasn't like it wasn't like these items just
happened to be at his house these items came from the family's house but I I think what's also really interesting is
the his defense lawyer that which defended him you know decades earlier and and the trial of the Marsden I think
was yes and before he passed away he was saying that he believed that none of the
brothers actually helped Ivan but it was actually Ivan's sister that helped him communes crimes yeah I saw that they the
other thing that's weird here though while we talk about the brothers Walther Mallette so the one of the most damning
pieces of evidence against Ivan during the course of his trial remember we stated that there were some
firearms found in Ivan's home but actually the the thing that was worse for him was the piece I said there were
some gun parts that were found in his home it was one of the parts of a 22 rifle that was found that was a piece of
evidence that was so very strong against Ivan because it was found concealed in his home like hidden like purposely if
you saw the thing you knew like somebody was trying to hide this and not just hide it for today tomorrow or next week
they didn't want anybody to find it ever so when they found this piece and they ran their ballistics on it of course
they had to you know reattach it to other pieces of guns and things like that but what they determined after
firing bullets through that part was that the markings on those bullets matched markings on bullets at multiple
crime scenes at multiple murder scenes basically knowing that that part of that gun was involved in the murder of those
victims that was found in Ivan's home in his possession what's interesting is out
of all these brothers we say he's got four sisters and nine brothers big family out of the whole family I even
had a fairly sophisticated security system and he was known to be extremely protective insecure of his home and we
can only imagine the the many reasons why out of all of his family Walter Mallette was the only one that
had access 24/7 to his home so many have wondered throughout the years this piece
of evidence that was really the strongest piece of evidence against Ivan Walter would have had the ability to
place it in the home yeah there's a lot of stuff with this family and we could probably spend another hour talking
about some of the speculation but just to go over it really quickly at some point people believe that Ivan was
having affairs with his brothers wives there's also then rumors that Ivan was having a sexual relationship with one of
his sisters supposedly the whole family knew about it supposedly multiple brothers had sexual
relationships with that sister you know like I said there was reports of physical abuse from the father possible
physical abuse from the mother and so then you wonder if he was having an affair with one of his brother's wife
is that enough to you know plain evidence you know to get him convicted of a crime he didn't commit
there's just so many things strange about this family and so many things you could dive in the speculation of this
family well Ivan milette is often referred to as Australia's most notorious and infamous serial killer and
even though we have the convictions we are left here today believing we still do not have all the answers
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Brief Summary

The episode details the Bilanglow serial killings investigation and the arrest of Ivan Milat, discussing evidence and suspect testimonies.

Key points

Welcome to True Crime Garage. Hosts Nick and Captain introduce the podcast with humor and a nod to true crime.
This Week's Beer. The hosts review a New England IPA while thanking listeners for their support.
Seven Bodies Found. The investigation reveals seven bodies, raising concerns about a potential serial killer.
Witness Testimonies. A witness claims to have seen bound women, raising questions about his credibility.
Suspicious Statements. A man makes odd claims about a missing couple, leading to further investigation.
The Arrest of Ivan Malette. Police surround Ivan's house with 50 armed officers to arrest him for armed robbery.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

We have seven bodies in this investigation.

A chilling statement about the severity of the case.

3:14WatchAug 28, 2019

Tension

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