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able to retrace Susan lyall's last steps leading up to her disappearance and I'm
going to give that an A minus there Captain we did a pretty darn good job we also discussed her boyfriend rich in
some questionable activities regarding him and his possibility of being maybe a suspect being involved in her
disappearance well not just his actions but the actions of his family as well Mommy and Daddy are weird
now before we get into some other potential suspects let's get into another case that made Suzie's case feel
like deja vu in 1985 13 years earlier a young Sunny Albany student named Karen Wilson
vanished she was last seen on the same Central Avenue where the Stewart's convenience store was located near
Colony Place a shopping mall 2.4 miles from the campus Karen purchased some clothing at the
mall that day and while she had an appointment at the tanning Hut she was not seen there so she was scheduled to
go tanning no one says that she ever made it to this appointment the last known sighting of Karen was at 7:20 p.m.
it is believed that she decided to walk back to campus and was abducted near the
entrance ramp to I90 according to our friends over at the Charlie project a strange man was seen
in the area but neither Karen nor any of her personal possessions have ever been
found and a little freaky piece of information Karen Wilson lived in the same dorm building as Susy the colonial
quad dorm Karen is still missing to this day well we see it a lot of times with college students going missing go back
to the Brian schaer case and then you know not that far away and not that many years away does Joey leuk go missing as
well and with these people that just seem to vanish Into Thin Air because you have so many questions it's so easy for
us to sit on our computers and Link them together because there's not a whole lot
of details of the why or how was this person abducted or why did they go missing in the first place right now
let's fast forward to 2013 because police were looking at a 54-year-old man named Anthony Collins Collins attempted
to abduct two Sunny college students at knife point he approached one of these young women at the CDTA bus stop on the
sunny Albany Downtown Campus area early in the morning this would be 7:55 a.m. and he threatened her with a knife to
her back another student saw what was going on and got involved somehow distracted the attacker and this young
woman thankfully was able to get away but at that same bus stop about 40 minutes later this same man attempted a
second abduction hey when the first one doesn't work out let's just stick around
and find somebody else right A Double piece of [ __ ] there you go so he attempted a second abduction this time
without a knife and Anthony Collins was identified after police reviewed surveillance footage and charged him
with second degree attempted kidnapping according to the Times Union paper quote
police are looking into the possibility however remote that Collins could have been involved in the disappearances of
Albany students Suzanne Lyle in 1998 and Karen Wilson way back in 1985 but eventually police said that
they had not been able to establish any link whatsoever between Collins who is diagnosed schizophrenic and either of
those unsolved cases well here's the problem though is like we said there's so many young students in a small radius
these predators that are looking for that type of victim they know where to go yep it's a it's what you would call
kind of a high-risk area just because you're around a whole lot of people right you know when Ted bunny wanted to
abduct someone he went to college campuses he went to the lake where it was just packed that day it was easy to
find a victim amongst a whole big crowd of people but also what's different though too is you you go to the suburbs
you have people that are normally on a more set schedule where these students their schedules are constantly changing
and their whereabouts are constantly changing so by them going missing I think it
takes a little longer for people to even notice when they're gone mhm that's true
two other suspects have been mentioned as possibilities in connection with Suzie's case now to be clear these names
have not been mentioned by law enforcement rather both suspects are theoretical ones named in podcast which
have delved into 's case one of these we have already mentioned the upstate unsolved the other is True Crime
[ __ ] the first of these potential suspects is a guy named John rean John rean was a 48-year-old son of a
prominent and affluent family in Waterberry Connecticut John's wife Ruth was a Catholic school teacher John
himself he was a traveling salesman for a roofing and sighing company John and Ruth were popular and
well-liked but in 2004 old Johnny was arrested after cornering a young female coworker in his parents empty house he
restrained her and tried to sexually assault her somehow she managed to get away this was a huge scandal in the area
at the time because John was a pretty regular dude he was a a soccer dad a golfing buddy to many people in the area
a real neighborhood type of guy this was just the tip of the iceberg 11 years earlier in 1993 a
neighbor of John reagins a working wife and mother named Donna Paloma was home on Friday night asleep her kids were
also asleep her husband was away on a very rare trip to color colado Donna woke to find a man straddling her back
he put a pillowcase over her head and tied nylon stockings over it covering her mouth and then around her neck and
restraining her arms and legs the man wore gloves and a mask he cut off her clothes and he raped her when he was
done he held a gun to her Temple and he told her that if she called the police he come back and he would kill her she
did not recognize his voice when she heard him leave the terrified woman realized that the phone lines were cut
she tried to call for help nothing happened yeah very BTK right on she locked the front door
and ran to her husband's cousin's house which was nearby to call the police this
cousin ran to Donna's house with an axe to guard the children while she was at his house calling for help Donna went to
the hospital that night and of course they did a rape kit but DNA extracted from it was not matched to any known
offenders keep in mind again this is 1993 right and the police this is this is like double sad this woman is is
violently attacked in her own home a terrifying humiliating experience and then on top of that the
police were not so great in this situation [ __ ] there you go yeah that's what they call not so great people they chose
not to believe Donna in fact they accused her of lying because they're they're questioning you know what is the
likelihood that this happened on the one night that her husband was out of town they suggested that she was having an
affair and was trying to cover it up I suggest for every male out there that doesn't understand um sexual assaults or
or or rape claims to watch I know it's a drama but you could learn a lot from the show unbelievable
and just the process in which females have to go through to report these assaults and and how many times they're
not believed uh by family members friends and the system yeah and where my mind goes with this group of guys would
be you know were their wives cheating on them is that why their mind went to that
immediately I have I have no idea I don't understand why they wouldn't believe a woman who ran to someone
else's home to call for help I mean seems bizarre to not give her the benefit of every doubt you could
possibly have also send one of your family members with an axe yeah to to guard your children I mean yeah he
clearly believed her so it was an agonizing few years for this victim for Donna as her case stalled because the
police did not seem to exhibit any interest really in pursuing it I mean they they told her they didn't believe
her so in 2001 now Donna she's pretty kickass right she filed a civil suit claiming that the water B Police
Department did not do their job good for her on a with a tape of her interview session with the Waterberry police
police department where they accused her of making the whole thing up this tape now that she's taken them to court
magically disappears right but the jury believed Donna anyway and she won her suit against the police department yet
her rape case still sat dormant with no arrest this was until John Reagan was arrested in 2004 for the assault on his
coworker and his DNA was found to be a match to that of the rapist of Donna 11 years earlier the news was incredible to
everyone because she and her husband were friends with the Reagans right close friends they attended each other's
weddings in fact John rean knew that Donna's husband was going to be out of town that night that's why he knew to
break into the home yeah sicko so in 2004 this John Reagan he was arrested first for the attempted attack on his
coworker he's released on $25,000 Bond but was again arrested when Weeks Later his DNA came back to link
him to that 1993 rape unfortunately the statute of limitations had expired on Donna's rape case so all
JN could be charged with on her case was kidnapping he pled not guilty and was released on
$350,000 bail oo yeah big spender better get a better job I hope you got some good income somebody was able to make
that bail he spent more than a year awaiting trial and in the meantime time well he managed to rack up some more
charges in the fall of 2005 he dropped off a role of film to be developed at a Walgreens the film
processor guy well he was a pretty smart dude and he recognized John rean from the local news so he thought I better
take an extra look at these photos that John dropped off he's either a smart guy
or he was a sicko himself well I'm going to go with smart good upstanding citizen
because these were not loving shots of family scenes one that people would expect to see no instead these were
clearly surveillance style photos of women going about their everyday activities who did not know that they
were being photographed so Waterberry police worked to charge John rean with stalking but as
they were putting together their case something else happened in 200 by John traveled back and forth between
Waterberry and a property owned by his family in Saratoga Springs New York he was living there and working as a
handyman when the following occurred on Halloween a 17-year-old nationally ranked track star at Saratoga Springs
High School named Lindsay Ferguson returned her car at the conclusion of the afternoon practice next next to the
driver's side of her vehicle a van was parked so close that she had to like you know like turn to the side and kind of
squeeze her way in so that she could enter her vehicle yeah the incident was described in a New York Times article it
said Saratoga Springs police said she came back to her car after track practice there was a blue gray van
parked next to her she was putting some things in the back seat feet and she heard the van's sliding door open a man
grabbed her around the Torso and mouth and tried to drag her into the van she was able to get her mouth free and she
started screaming for help Lindsay thought for a fleeting moment you know because it's Halloween that maybe this
was some kind of prank but obviously very quickly it became apparent that it was not she fought kicking and screaming
good for her and attracted the attention of her coaches they ran over and one of the track coaches
confronted this guy the attacker gets back into his van Clos the door and now he drives off another coach began
chasing the vehicle calling the police on his cell phone as he ran telling them exactly where the van was heading and
telling the license plate number at the same time it's one fast guy running after this van well it's a track coach
right right police pulled over the van and one of the officers is questioning the driver the driver
assured the officer that it was all just a misunderstanding his partner is snooping
around and looking inside the van at the same time and this is this guy this officer finds that the rear re seats of
the van have been removed in the large space in the back they found a spread out tarp a rope that was pre-tied with
slip knots booze a saw a shovel photography equipment construction tools and a syringe that was that contained a
sedative the man arrested that day driving the van was John Reagan oh he had to get all of his crimes in before
he went to jail well the I think the other thing that here that's so scary is it's obvious whatever this guy was up to
or whatever he wanted to do he couldn't stop himself even though he's already facing charges and like you said maybe
he's so damn addicted to this or he so entrenched in these fantasies that he has right that he's got to live one more
time before they put him behind bars right this is why this type of crime there should be no
bail because it's you know that uh addiction or drive I mean we've seen it we saw it with Bundy we saw a guy that
seemed to be very calculated turn into a wild animal uh when he was on the on the
run now also found in the van were photos of other young women including the young coworker that John had
assaulted in Connecticut God so it turned out that there was proof that John had not seized Lindsay in a
simple crime of opportunity he had been stalking her he was found to have looked
her this is the Young track student or track star he had had photographs of her and it was found that he had looked her
up on his computer and taken pictures of her beforehand he had targeted her and it had been fing her for an unknown
amount of time John Reagan was not not able to get bail this time there you go Captain he was charged in Saratoga
County with attempted kidnapping while in Saratoga Springs jail he tried to commit suicide by attempting to hang
himself oh I wish he would have been better at that well they should have just had the guards help him out right
hey what are you trying to do in there okay no tiean not this way get get this man some better sheets yeah he was
transferred to the central New York Psychiatric Center near udica to await trial meanwhile his connected family
remember he comes from a a good family uh successful family they hired a powerful Hartford lawyer to represent
him now after Reagan was arrested in 2005 a 50-year-old woman came forward and reported that at a Memorial Day
picnic way back in 1981 rean restrained her in his vehicle in an Alleyway and assaulted her in his
vehicle she said she knew Rian she knew his father his father was her dentist she said that she never reported the
incident because she was embarrassed in May of 2006 John rigan pled guilty to Second
deegree attempted kidnapping of Lindsay Ferguson he was sentenced to 12 years in
prison in New York state in October of that same year here remember this guy's getting charged with all kinds of stuff
he's in court again this time in Connecticut on the kidnapping and unlawful restraint and stalking charges
he was not required to admit his guilt at this trial but he did acknowledge that the prosecutors had enough evidence
for a conviction the old no contest plea I'm guessing the agreed upon sentence in
Connecticut was for 15 years to be served concurrently with the New York term after John Ran's arrest in 2005 for the
attempted abduction of Lindsay Ferguson investigators in Connecticut New York and Massachusetts as well as the FBI
started digging into Reagan to see if they could link him to any other crimes two of these were the unsolved murders
of Mildred alvaredo and Karen everick this these are sex workers who were strangled to death in Harington in 1988
and 1989 both of these victims were known to police to work in an area that was one
mile from Regan's house oh my God but investigators suspect that rean operated on a much wider scope too as an
interstate traveling salesman remember he's a traveling salesman this for a company called ABC Supply
well he had access to a wide range of locations where he could have committed rapes and or murders all right now that
was a long tangent so what does this POS what the captain likes to say piece of [ __ ] John ran have to do with Suzanne
Lyall when he was arrested in Saratoga Springs the ly very smart parents asked the police to revisit Susie's case to
see if he could be responsible to see if anything ties him to su's case there are
some let's say circumstantial evidence let's go through some of this here Regan's family property in Saratoga
Springs the town where he tried to abduct Lindsay Ferguson the track star was near the sunny Albany campus it was
roughly a 30m drive okay Susie had mentioned to her coor worker that she thought that she was
being stalked and she didn't know who the guy was mhm remember Reagan was known to stalk and photograph his
eventual victims yeah what did I just say about Predators if you're going to go fish you go to the pond with the most
fish that's right so he could have spotted Susie at the mall or spotted her walking from the bus or at the bus stop
at any time and fixated it on her yeah Susie told her Co worker that while she didn't know who the guy was she was not
afraid of him th this is all a very weird but again we got the soccer dad right and as said earlier I mean John
ran was known to be he's a friendly guy he was well liked by the people that didn't know what he was really up to he
was an outgoing dude and and if she ever made eye contact with him he might have
smiled and that might have been just enough where she's like okay this guy's a little strange but not that worried
about it well maybe that's how he locked in on her right maybe he came in contact
with her maybe he spoke to her at the store where she worked at the mall and then started secretly following her and
observing her routines and decided to snatch her after she got off the bus that night did did you say where they
found the sex workers at um I did not but they were known to work within a mile of his home I don't know that they
really have anything other than that linking him to those possible cases right it sounds to me like both those
cases went cold very quickly and they didn't have a whole lot in the way of leads but we also see a pattern of him
not being able to control these urges exactly this is something he these urges are in control of him yeah the 2005
attempted abduction of Lindsay Ferguson looks very much like the work of a seasoned abductor or maybe even a
seasoned killer the materials I mean think about the materials found in his van and the amount of
preparation that he had to go to a lot of that doesn't seem to indicate that this was his first time in fact we know
that it wasn't he's broken into somebody else's home raped her in her home and now he's coming very well prepared to
kidnap assault and do whatever else he decides to do should he get that poor girl into his van well he's so arrogant
that he believes he can get away with it it doesn't matter who it doesn't matter
even even if you know him even if he's a close friend of yours and some say that
he was known to spend time in the area near the campus where Suzanne disappeared now in a terrifying recent
development John rean remember he got concurrent sentences is not a good thing for
anybody he was released from prison in October of 2019 3 years earlier can anybody explain
to me why there's a statue of limitations on rape charges um I don't believe that there is
today I believe that that has changed um I'd have to look that up and it might vary state by state but I think that
that is something that changed in the late '90s I I don't have that information right in front of me
especially like in this case we have definitive evidence that he's guilty of this right so I I would not I just don't
understand doesn't make any sense um he is subject to postrelease supervision until the year
2024 he is apparently living in the Saratoga Springs area of Massachusetts and working as a skydiving instructor so uh
any female listeners in that area should be particularly careful yeah when you're
a skydiving instructor you're strapped to the person's back so you have this creepo strapped to your back what a way
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mates tall cans in the air my friends the other possible suspect in a stranger Abduction of suie Lyle is serial killer
Israel keys keys has taken on a reputation of almost mythical proportions he is as we like to say the
catchall killer Herman Webster mudget AKA HH holes and the Ed Wayne Edwards fit this category as well
he is just the newest amongst these three where if this guy was alive and out at the time and we have an unsolved
murder this is somebody you should look at so I find that to be well really just
stupid to be honest with you I don't follow the old suspect zero Theory way of thinking very much but Keys is an
interesting possibility in this scenario all right so why is that well before we
get too far along I do want to point out that Keys has it's been floated out there that he is a suspect by the
followers of such cases as Jennifer kessie Russell and Shirley durman and Mara Murray all cases which we have
covered now this is because Israel was a notoriously cunning devious killer who left very little to no trace of his
crimes it's very likely that he's responsible for who knows how many murders but in the case of Susie Lyall there are
some actual links between the two that could point to Israel Keys being involved now to say that Israel Keys was
a methodical and calculating killer is like saying that Albert Einstein was a bright guy some of you have heard of the
kill kits that Keys buried around the country in preparation for crimes he would commit much later sometimes he
would fly to cities across the us then rent a car and drive a th000 miles to find a victim to kill he would select
victims that suited him at random the ultimate crimes of opportunity as a result his crimes are almost impossible
to pin down with in regards to Susie ly well when Keys was arrested the FBI spent months interrogating keys there
are over 40 hours of videotaped interviews with keys many of which are available for viewing on the FBI's
website now to say that he was interrogated isn't really the right word the FBI agents sucked up to keys in
every manner bringing him treats like cigars and bagels and doing him favors it's gross but it worked kind of keys
only told them just as much as he wanted and then he committed suicide in his cell in 2012 leaving investigators to
try to piece together the rest but here is what we know about keys he is believed to have killed approximately 11
people again no one really knows for sure how many victims he really had he claims his first abduction was in 1997
when he kidnapped and raped a teenage girl who was whitewater rafting on the dutes River in Oregon Israel let her go
and said later that he had lost his nerve about killing her this is believed to have been his first actual attempt to
carry out his murderous fantasies he told the FBI that he had been quote two different
people for 14 years the experts who have spent years studying Israel agree that it is very likely that this means his
first successful murder was in 1998 this is also the year that suie Lyall vanished he claims to not have
successfully killed anyone though for a few years after the dutes river abduction no one really seems to believe
this Israel Keys owned property in Constable New York this was a 10 acre parcel of a rundown house on popper
street that he purchased in 1997 okay so this puts him in the state of New York within a year of this young
woman going missing right he was staying at this location during the time period
in which Suzie was taken this is about 200 miles from the spot where she was abducted so it's
still a good deal of distance but we can put him in the same state Israel Keys was known to be very familiar with the
area and spent quite a bit of time there he would later go on to rob a bank in Tupper Lake New York in 20
9 Keys told investigators that one of the ways he planned his murders and to elude detection was to commit the
Abduction the murder and the disposal all in three different states Albany New York is very close to the borders of
each of Massachusetts and Vermont MH seems like a uh preferred location for this man and there is a good chance that
he was in the area of the Suny Albany campus in March of 1998 well like you said he also traveled quite a bit so A
Thousand Mile Drive when he's saying that's not that far for him to drive um you know two 200 miles isn't that far
right and we have a witness who says she can put him in that area in the month that Susie disappeared so this woman who
was in attorney for the US state department spoke with the FBI after Keys was arrested in
2012 she said that she recognized him from an incident when she was loading packages into her car outside of a
Marshall's department store in Albany this in March of 1998 she says a young man with wavy dark
hair who she described as looking like Beaker from The Muppets approached her and they had a very bizarre encounter
with this man she said that this incident was unnerving to her and she would never forget it so when she saw
Israel on the news years later she says she was 100% certain that it was he who she spoke with that night recognizing
both his face and she says his voice seeing the video was traumatic for her because she remembered keys so clearly
the marshals in Albany is across the street from the Army Recruitment Center where a few months later Israel Keys
would enlist in the Army the Marshall store and the Army Recruitment Center are both on Central Avenue the same
street that the Stewart's convenience store where Suzie's ATM card was used just 2 miles down the
road so this all really puts it seems very likely that this man Israel Keys may have been in this area that month
right I find it and it's a huge coincidence that he en enlist in the Army at the recruitment center across
the street from this Marshall store cuz at first I was like am I supposed to believe this woman who says years
earlier she recognized this guy right but it's right across the street from the Marshall's parking lot that she's
claiming she was at talking to Beaker yeah yeah and and then top that off with she's an officer of the Court she's a
you know an attorney with the US state department so she's got some credibility and it seems like the FBI they believe
her to be credible well it seems like he's also planning out his disposals of the body maybe more so than
a lot of killers so I wouldn't suspect that he would dispose of bodies on on property that he owned but do you know
if they've searched that property that much I believe that this property has been searched a good deal he would have
been and look I don't like to Champion these guys um I don't like to Pat him on the back we just called him Beaker so
Keys would have been too smart to bury somebody on his property right he just would have done that I don't think it's
smart I think it's there was a discipline there well one thing that he's doing that is very that shows his
level of preparedness and his level is discipline as you say is it's clear to me that in several occasions of his
crimes that he is choosing the disposal site before he's choosing a victim right
which is in complete opposite order that a lot of other criminals carry out this
type of behavior he loves the randomness of the victim one for his own enjoyment
but two so that he is not detected yeah but maybe there's also a thrill there as
well right his own enjoyment yeah where it's like that's part of his sick fantasy is that he I got a plan where
I'm going to dispose of the body I have to plan all these things out and once that is planned out now I just have to
find the victim and that's I think part of part of his sick game where we see in
Reagan's case part of his sick game is stalking them and taking pictures of them and understanding their movements
yeah it seems that Keys enjoys the it's like it's like a a video game right you know when you play a level on that game
for the first time what your ultimate goal is you don't know what you're going to encounter along the way he knows what
the end result is the end result that he wants he loves the thrill of the uncontrolled unexpected variable of what
the randomness of the victim could throw his way now su's ATM card was used to take out $20 after she was abducted or
after she went missing the person who did this managed to avoid using a machine with surveillance
cameras Israel told the FBI that he was very careful to avoid machines with cameras and he used Samantha's he used a
previous victim's ATM card to take out $20 to be sure that she had given him the correct pen so this was something he
had done on another occasion right when he abducted a a woman took her ATM card got her to give him the pin and then
successively chose chose machines that did not have cameras on them and the final piece of compelling evidence that
Keys could have been responsible for suszie ly on his computer the FBI found searches they have been conducted for 44
missing persons It is believed that this list of names is a combination of both Israel Keys's victims plus other missing
persons cases that he was interested in for whatever reason we know that at least two of his actual victims are on
that list and another name that is on that list is Suzanne Lyle and keys admitted to killing one
New York State victim she also fits this profile of course the statistical odds that an Infamous serial killer such as
Israel Keys killed Suzy Lyle are still very very low but there is just enough there to make us think that perhaps it's
not so unlikely after all I do also want to note here our listeners will be interested to hear this captain that
Jennifer Markham was also on this list as we know she was killed by Scott Lee Kimbell who we covered right so again
it's believed that this list is his victims plus some missing persons that he was interested in whatever reason
jelik rainwalker is also on this list and it seems very unlikely that Keys was the killer of of young jelik
unless he just so happened upon the child after he ran off right now whoever took Suzie it seems almost certain that
it was not just someone who was you know hiding in the bushes or someone who followed her from the mall on the bus
since there's no trace of her that's ever been found except for this ID tag it seems certain that a vehicle had to
have been used in her abduction get her grab her put her in the vehicle and then
drive off both keys and John rean of course were known to have used vehicles in their crimes and in their attempted
crimes as well all right so where do we go from here well we do have some Victim
Advocacy that was set up by Susie's parents her mother Susie's mother Mary ly says that after wallowing in her
depression for 5 years she was finally able to motivate herself to trying to take a more active role in the search
for her daughter she and her husband Doug established the center for Hope an organization designed to provide support
and assistance to other families of missing persons and push for legislation to enhance law enforcement's response to
missing persons reports the center for Hope also helped create New York's annual missing persons day which is in
April each year observed on the Saturday closest to Suzie's birthday the organization which has nonprofit status
also helped produce and distribute 55,000 drink coers to area restaurants and 30,000 decks of playing cards to all
of the county jails in New York the coasters and cards feature missing persons cold cases they were the
brainchild of the ly who heard of a similar program in Florida according to the Times Union the center for Hope also
worked in tandem with New York officials to create the investigative guide for missing college students and collaborate
with law enforcement to publish what to do if a loved one goes missing a guide for Left Behind family
members the ls were directly responsible for getting some significant legislation
passed at both the state and federal level in 2000 Governor George [ __ ] signed the New York State campus
Security Act which requires all colleges to develop plans for investigating a missing student or violent offense
committed on campus this was to avoid situations like that they the ly had encountered where su's disappearance was
sort of dismissed by the campus police and there were no protocols for contacting law enforcement then in
2003 President George W Bush signed Suzanne's law which eliminated the waiting period for law enforcement to
launch an investigation when a person between the ages of 18 and 21 goes missing and in 2007 Congress enacted the
Suzanne ly campus Security Act which requires colleges across the country to have written plans on how they will work
with local law enforcement agencies if you think about all of the missing college students we have covered just on
our show Lauren speier Brian schaer Jesse Ross Mara Murray these important laws could have certainly helped their
families address their tragic situation with more efficiency and expediency a year after suie was taken
Doug L wrote a letter that he published on his blog offering a $25,000 reward for information on his
daughter's whereabouts the letter was addressed to the person who took Suzanne here are some
excerpts I often wonder whether March 2nd means anything to you do you remember the 19-year-old young woman you
took from us do you still have her with you it has been nearly a year since she vanished but she is just as loved and
dearly missed do you know the person you took Susie is a very creative person and
is inspired to write poetry that seems to flow in from outside of her she is a shy but a friendly person whose warm
smile and easy manner can cut through others sadness and put those around her at ease her sense of fairness and
loyalty to her friends are well appreciated by those who know her well you took away a wonderful person someone
who probably would have stood up for you if things weren't fair did no one do nice things for you I have found some
comfort in picturing you not as a mean ugly bad person but someone's child someone deserving and needing love and
acceptance who possibly misunderstood Susie's friendship as a romantic interest if love wasn't shared in your
family I'm sorry every person is entitled to the love and caring that family and friends provide if you still
have Susie I wish for something good to happen to you a success that makes you feel satisfied and positive about
yourself hopefully then you will treat her well I hope you have peaceful moments when you can walk in the woods
or through the fields content not miserable and vindictive I'm not sure what I would say
although after so much time surprisingly I don't hate you I know nothing about you I wonder if you were ever like suie
did you love homemade chocolate chip cookies did you go to rush concerts did you play jokes on April Fool's Day did
you spend time on the computer oblivious to anything else going on around you Susie is more than a girl on a poster
her mom and Dad Steve and Sandy miss her daily she has dreams and hopes and potential for my own Survival I have had
to let go of anger or I would be consumed by buy it but the questions persist the full letter should you wish
to read it is available online at suzan l.com now of course suzan ly is still missing to this day this is an old case
but to this day she's still missing she is 5' 3 in tall and weighs between 165 and 175 lbs she has long reddish brown
hair and blue eyes she has a brown colored birth mark on her left calf and a mole on her left cheek beneath her
Earl she has a surgical scar on her left foot Susie wears eyeglasses or contact lenses she was last seen wearing a long
black trench coat blue jeans and a black shirt she may also have been wearing a polished 14 karat gold fluted bow ring a
frog shaped silver ring and a necklace with a silver medallion inscribed with a character that resembles the letter s or
a lightning bolt I do want to point out to the listeners here Captain this is very important as these items have not
been found and there have been other missing persons cases that we have discussed where it these items are just
as important as finding the person themselves so if you've seen these items have them in your possession or have
information about these items this is something you should be passing on to the proper channels
sadly it seems that we may never know what happened to suie LY if either Israel keys or John Reagan got her her
body may never be found sadly her father Doug who spent so many years fighting for his daughter's cause passed away in
2015 after an illness Mary ly continues to work with the center for hope she still has hope that her daughter will be
found but 21 years later it's harder to maintain optimism whenever a body is found Mary waits for a phone call
telling her whether the DNA matches her daughters or not which is on file another victim we discussed today Donna
Palomo also became an activist for victims rights in 2007 she founded an organization called janeo No More which
Advocates on behalf of victims of SE sexual assault Donna was also instrumental in the passage of
legislation mandating the removal of the statute of limitations in Connecticut cases that have DNA
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Brief Summary

The episode discusses Suzanne Lyall's disappearance, potential suspects, and advocacy efforts by her family.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts Nick and the Captain introduce the episode and their drink of choice.
The Disappearance of Karen Wilson. A young student vanished in 1985, last seen near a shopping mall.
John Reagan's Arrest. John Reagan was arrested for attempted kidnapping after a series of assaults.
Linking Reagan to Other Crimes. Investigators explore connections between Reagan and unsolved murders of sex workers.
The Stalker Next Door. Susie Ferguson felt she was being stalked, leading to her eventual abduction.

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