Spooky Lakes (Volume 2) | Morbid | Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Elena I'm Ash and this is [Music] morbid it's morbid and today I'm being
bullied in the office everybody honestly I can't even like say that's not happening no I'm I'm getting actively
bullied by not only my sister but also my employee and friend Mikey I burped and you know people burp okay and let me
just no hold on I she's saying it like she burped oh I just burped once no I wasn't finished yet but you're just
still bullying me no we always burp a lot in here it's kind of our thing and Elena burps all the time and it l feels
like it sprays blood at people because they feel so sharp coming out of her [ __ ] face it's like you're like oh my
God ducking cover somebody call someone she's bleeding out of every orice and then I burp and you know
they're a little liquidy I like like they're not liquidy like I taste liquid this is so gross but like it's fine but
they they sound a little yucka Elena has told me for all of my life that they sound like the bog of Eternal stench but
today everyone decided to go deeper it's like an episode of the vile files in here we're going deeper and Mikey said
to me Mikey said to me you know actually I feel pity for my mouth is my jaw un clicked from
the top part and it's on the floor pity you you pity me's he PES your birth which are part of
me which are part of me and so I got upset with him and then he was like no no no let me backtrack except dig my
hole even further and he said you know what it is and I looked at him and I said don't [ __ ] it up don't don't dig
this hole and this [ __ ] got a power shovel he said I used to work in a hospital what the [ __ ] does that have to
do with anything I sound like a hospital this is like Mary Cosby telling me that
I smell like hospital so anyway I'm upset um here's the thing you guys didn't think this episode was going to
start like that all of that was correct it's true what she says is true true true statement thank um except what um
she sounds like she's going to vomit every time she burp but we needed to take we needed to really describe them
the reason is not like oh there's liquid involved it's like no you're going to throw up and so we all brace like she's
going to puke I'm not every time and it's SC yours are scary yours come out of nowhere and I agree and sometimes
they sound like a like a shot yeah like a I'm like here and here and lies the difference I know I know too I'm not
dispelling I'm not dispelling that that description of my burps I'm not dispelling it but it hurts my feelings
you just don't have as many feelings as I do okay and the pity I feel is cuz I love you I don't want you to feel gross
you're making me feel gross get out of here scram she doesn't want to talk to you I'm getting fired
M I usually fire Mikey on the rewatcher go listen to that but today he's fired from every job all of it no just kidding
please please continue working for us don't leave don't leave oh my God anyways I bet you never thought you
turned on morbid today that we'd be depicting each other's burps sorry guys it's been you know it's sometimes it'
just be like that yeah today's a Loosey Goosey episode anyways I feel like it's going to feel a lot like OG morbid it is
today I think uh I think we're we're we're feeling a oh now you're going to cough during my episode I pity
you I pity you is that a little cough you have today I'm screaming just oh my God I'm
literally crying um we have we have like a like today's like a spooky episode but
also a true crime episode yeah for both of us um there's full true crime in here
this isn't just spooky Yuki uh but there's also spooky Yi there's a little part of mine that I think like I'm going
to give you like a preview like a a brief overview of what happened but I actually think I might cover part of
mine on like a full-blown app like in depth and another and mine is like there's only so much information about
it so I got as much as I possibly could and I told the whole story mhm it would have been a mini morbid had I not
stepped up it it's true it would have been a mini morbid but but you know what come back but you know what maybe
they'll come back maybe maybe maybe wink wink nud nudge maybe 2025 is a is a wild
year here mhm so maybe we'll see mini Mor bids again someday maybe the theme song will come back maybe I'm not making
promise I'm just saying it's possible we have to find the file do we have do we have that maybe we'll have to do it
again I'll do it again an updated version oh maybe I maybe I'll like add a little flare on to it if that happens
we're just like you know uh I'm going to get back in the studio yeah back in the
stud you know the stew really I like that forgot the Pod lab I'm in the stew I'm in the stew
uh yeah so maybe I don't know that's something to chew on but uh gross but other than that um it's
we're we're trying to Spring is almost here everybody it's like 20 days to Spring and uh in New England over here
uh it's been [ __ ] awful this winter it's been [ __ ] freezing and so godamn dry that I've been sick the entire
winter uh I just got the neuro virus in fact like luckily knock on everything we
were able to contain it to to just me which is always the goal uh but but yeah it hasn't been a
banner season for me so so I'm I'm getting on my uh supplement game and getting myself out of this I'm telling
you you got to start drinking armor colostrum I think it has saved me this winter cuz I did I got neuro virus but I
didn't get any of the colds that you guys were all getting I didn't get one cold this season I know not one
yeah it's crazy and it tastes like watermelon yeah that's true that's a win-win right there no colds plus
watermelon well I've been drinking liquid IVs liquid IVs are also great we love a liquid Ivy we do um and I've just
you know I've been doing some turmeric and Alber and zinc and vitamin C she got me on the turmeric all the all the good
things just trying to boost that immune you know immune system you got to but uh
going into cuz I want to go into spring and summer and fall and all the fun Seasons healthy healthy th you know but
I've been reading a couple books that are really good yeah and I figured I'd just like quickly share them with you
guys in case you're looking for something to read do so so I just read fantastic Land by Mike
Boven uh it's really good and the audio book is [ __ ] phenomenal nice it's super fast-paced it's like um it's
basically about a bunch of people getting stranded in a um amusement park during a hurricane and having to survive
and it gets super gnarly I said nice but nice you're like fun that's great that's
great for them good for them uh it was really good though I thought it was really fun if you're looking for
something really fun really dark really [ __ ] up hell yeah and right now I'm reading this wretched Valley by Jenny
kefir oo and so far it's really good really spooky I'm very intrigued by it nice um and and we're just I'm trying to
get more Leisure reading in done this year so I'm also trying to do that I we try to share our recommendations yeah I
was I told Elena about story graph it's like where you can log all your books and it's women own which I love love
that um I read what have I read so far I did so thirsty by Rachel Harrison I thought it was pretty good it's like a
quick read it's fun yeah just like like a fun Vamp tale and then I just started our book club book me and Elena have a
book club with the two girls one ghost girlies Sabrina and Kar our brother colon coven hell yeah um and we're
reading god of the woods I just started it I think you're going to like it yeah I'm excited to start that one it's
really good and I've heard really good things about it yeah so yeah I have a bunch on my Tob red yeah my
entire entire bookshelf is Tob red I have a whole space on my bookshelf that is me and Drew went on on Bens a& Noble
date the other day and I was like damn I'm just buying all these books when I already have like 400 that I haven't
even read yet oh I have a problem with books it's a fun thing to buy it is I love books I will never regret buying
too many books and something about Barnes & Noble I'm like I just want to buy everything here I just want to buy
all the books all the books mhm it's true it's great great I'm also on a yellow jackets kick me and Drew have
literally flown through each season within like I think it took us maybe two weeks yeah it was actually like very
impressive there how quickly you were able to we took some time off um you and I for February vacation for the kids and
there was a couple nights that Drew and I just stayed up until like 3:00 a.m. like weren't tired like just stay Stayed
up and so we watched like a ton of yellow jackets and now we're up to like current your yeah we're caught up and we
got John and Elena to start watching it it's true we're only on episode two because we can maybe only get one
episode Done a night like we have to skip nights in between and stuff so it will get there eventually it'll take us
a while but so far I really I I like it yeah I'm I'm intrigued I think so far it
really pops off in like the middle to the end of the first season and then season three so far I think it's only
been three episodes the fourth one I think comes out tomorrow fourth episode it's season 3 is like I'm like oh [ __ ]
it really goes there yeah I couldn't watch the plane crft scenes because it's a little too yeah I told her too
visceral I was like tell tell John like the end of the first one told me when it
was fine to watch again and then they do like the flashback that's a [ __ ] scary ass plane crash I'm sure I'm going
to be talking a lot about playing crashes today cool yeah that's fun yeah it's part my Lake it's part of your your
Lake lore my Lake lore correct yeah and honestly that brings us right to it that
we're going to be talking about some spooky Lakes today spooky lakes and like kind of for me like National Park cuz my
lake is in a national park yeah there you go I like that go visit national parks and support them right now yeah
support them yeah hell yeah and keep them clean cuz a lot of people just got fired who were keeping them clean yeah
so go take care of them yeah and support them yep good call yeah um so do I can start with mine if you want better you
better [ __ ] you better I was going to say you better start [ __ ] you better start [ __ ] you want a listener tail not
a listener tail you want a spooky Lake this is a spooky Lake but it's going to start with a very real and very tragic
murder oh um from 1906 okay so this is the story of Grace Brown's murder and it is a very tragic one uh let's start at a
great place which is the beginning I love starting there uh Grace grew up in South o atelic I think it is in Chenango
County in New York uh when she was young she grew up on a dairy farm and she attended school and graduated at 16
years old she had a very like normal upbringing on a dairy farm very cute Farm upbringing nice um all was well
until she moved to Courtland and lived with her sister aah now living with her sister she needed to find a job and she
found a good one it turns out she ended up working at the Gillette skirt Factory
in courland and a on beginning her employment there she quickly became acquainted with the owner's nephew
Chester Gillette H uh he also worked there with her he was from a wealthy family um but he was kind of all over
the place like he was a little bit of a mess he could never hold down anything steady and he was kind of just living
the high life with no responsibilities fun um so and he was also like very much like macking on all
the girls there but he really focused in on Grace M so his uncle had tried to get
to help him on the straight and narrow and he offered him a job at the factory that's how he got the job it was good
pay it was full-time so he was fine to take it because also there was a lot of women working there that's kind of his
ideal sitch it really is um and he also probably like the power he got from being like the nephew of the owner like
it's the Gillette skirt Factory and his he's Chester Gillette like and you don't
have to do like anything probably yeah so it wasn't long before 20-year-old Grace and she was 19 when they met but
20 um when she died okay um she was 20-year-old Grace and 23-year-old Chester began dating uh it was a Tor
Affair as all workplace Affairs tend to be a love a Tor Affair uh but it was all
secret of course it was all very secret not just because they worked together but because she was a dairy farm girl
who came from a farm background he was a wealthy man about town socialite who was
sought after by every girl in the upper class in the area and every girl in every class in the area MH um he was
essentially ashamed to be dating a young woman who is considered to be lower class like lower social scale than he
was what a douchebag he was a douchebag he didn't want people knowing he was dating a factory farm girl okay then
don't date a factory farm girl because she can probably do better than you anyway so don't waste her [ __ ] time
she could have done so much better than him I guarantee you he's scum between a Troll's
toes Not only was he Keen to keep this thing under wraps but he was also free and openly dating and sleeping with
other women right in front of Grace uh Grace was not pleased about this and expressed this displeasure often but he
didn't give a [ __ ] he just didn't care how she felt great and it devastated her
cuz I think this was like she was young and she had grown up on a farm you know like this was her big first big job and
I think this was like the first time she had actually been in a big relationship
well and also like you think about the this you know Vibes here like it's like the big shot nephew of the owner of the
company that you work for takes an interest in you like she must have felt so special but then he's acting like a
dick yeah he also convinced her to be with him unchaperoned which was Scandal at the
time U because he didn't want anyone knowing they were together so they couldn't have a chaperon right uh and
honestly this was a big deal and obviously now you're like woo but back then this risked her entire reputation
yeah like he did not give a [ __ ] that he was putting her entire social reputation
at stake here because he would have been fine yeah he didn't care at all um he also and he just never took her in
public ever he would never take her sad and that's so sad that that's the treatment that she felt she like was
supposed to be taking at time it must have felt so demeaning yeah absolutely things got worse though near the summer
of 1906 when she told Chester she was pregnant oh no and it was definitely his because she was not seeing anyone else
he panicked and she was also very anxious simply because it was 1906 it's not like unwed young mothers were
treated like mag magical beings creating life no they were treated like [ __ ] who were unfit to be in proper Society
like this in fact at um from what I've like you know all the things that I was reading and seeing about this it was
literally like the amount of women young women who who uh ended up killing themselves because they felt it was a
better outcome than the social ostr what is it atiz yeah that's why did I like I
totally blanked on how to say the word it's the it's going from the T to the that's what it
isation there you go good call ostracization oh I was kind ofation ostracization that's hard to say yeah it
was better than being ostracized by Society is what is what I'm thinking here I love that you're like you know
what we're going to just say that's hard to say so uh anyway yeah so this was like a big deal it's not great so she
knew she had to hide out but she couldn't be around everybody she went back to her family's farm and she
communicated with chester through letters um it was Chester who encouraged this in fact telling her to go hang out
with her family and everything was going to be fine basically go away get out of
my face like you [ __ ] dick he's a total dick he was very negligent with her feelings very much still sleeping
around and very uninterested in the idea of being a good partner or father yeah uh but he was also a liar and a very
good manipulator he had to have been you got it's it's that kind of guy so he had
to keep her on a leash a bit because he was a guy who wanted to have his cake and eat it too before she left he had
been ignoring her and making her feel just awful but when the letters began she basically found herself desperately
begging him for attention or any kind of Hope or hint that they would be married
because she it's also like he's got this like all this money and everything it's
like she doesn't have any resources to figure this out so she's relying 100% on him to figure out their situation that
they got themselves into that's the thing and she's like so she's basically like give me any hope
that you're going to marry me so that I can go out into society again right I can't go out with this child until we're
married and like and so you know and she started getting the attention that she was looking for he started telling her
yes he would marry her and they would have a life together and just wait it's going to be fine like he started
promising what he knew she wanted I feel like that's not going to happen no then
one letter changed that he told her he wanted to whisk her away for a romantic getaway and she was probably so happy oh
yeah he told her he wanted to take her to the ader Onex in July and this felt like the moment that he was going to
propose she thought this was the wedding trip either proposing or we're actually
getting married M and sources say grace was just over the moon excited so they left in July and stopped at the hotel
Glenmore at Big Moose Lake and they ate at ala Cliff Cottage and they checked in
with him using an alias so that's [ __ ] weird he used the Alias Carl Graham and she used her real
name so that was already I'm surprised he didn't have her use a fake name I well I think he's also a [ __ ] idiot
that's good um as we'll see so I think that was part of it uh according to the evening Courier a waitress there named
Grace green wood said she witnessed them having dinner the evening before Grace was killed and she said Grace was quote
unquote hysterical at dinner oh apparently Chester was trying to console her trying to tell her you have to eat
and she said she just couldn't oh God I wonder what happened what the conversation was exactly now the next
morning this waitress saw her again and described her as quote unquote depressed
like she said she looked devastated you wish that she was just able to like whisk her away I know that's thing come
here girl we'll get you in a separate room now on the the way to the hotel they took a bus and the driver asked
where they wanted to go and this will just give you another little like inight into like Chester's way of like it
sounds like he was just being a dick so the bus the driver was like where do you
guys want to go and Chester just gruffly answered any old hotel oh nice Charming
you're romantic getaway and you're just like whatever dump you want to bring us to cuz he didn't care that's so shitty
so the next day he told Grace he was going to bring her for a romantic picnic and they were going to take a boat ride
oh no despite her telling him in a letter that she didn't know how to swim oh no they rented a row boat from a
man named Robert Morrison uh they got on the boat and he brought them to the and apparently like
Robert didn't come on the boat with them he just rented it to them um but Chester
brought them like rode them to the deepest and most isolated part of the lake she was probably getting more and
more scared as this was happening exactly or even worse could be that she had no idea and just thought he was
actually being like romantic right um and that's apparently the South Bay Area is like the deepest point in the lake
once there nobody can really tell what exactly went down because it was only the two of them in the middle of the
lake right uh but once there what did eventually happen was he beat Grace brutally with um a horn handled umbrella
in a tennis racket Jesus and then threw her in the lake and mistress yes wow yeah Robert Morrison
the guy who had rented them the boat said when they didn't return the boat around dinner he was suspicious of
course but the next morning he and a few others went out to try to find them cuz
he was like I hope nothing happen like and they found the empty boat in her coat and then came across her body oh
and she was dead uh he had fled believable he hid out at the Arrowhead Hotel in Inlet and meanwhile during the
3 days hid like the coward that he was he also called to get an advance on his pay and received one so he was planning
on taking off yeah dipping and I love that later this [ __ ] will pretend and be like oh no I'm innocent I didn't do
it and it's like why were you hiding out nothing about how you acted said you were innocent if this was an accident or
something which obviously it's not cuz she was beaten brutally like they can tell that you dumbass but it's like even
if it was an accident why would you leave your pregnant girl friend like almost fiance dead in a lake and leave
the boat and then just hide out and ask for an advance on payment yeah like none
of that makes any sense now when they came to CU they immediately they talked to her family and they were like oh
she's with this guy like just so immediately they went to find him and when they did find him he actually tried
to First claim he didn't even know Grace come on he is the father of her unborn child and he claimed he did
didn't even know her also like I'm sure if they went to her house they would find a pile of letters exchang between
the two of them when I say this guy is a [ __ ] idiot he's a [ __ ] idiot you also worked together yeah like are you
[ __ ] Ser there's literally no way you can claim you don't know her he was arrested and immediately charged with
her Murder She was covered in bruises and had a good head wound and lacerations to her forehead and her
mouth when she was discovered and she was also discovered to be four months pregnant four months four months so she
sat around for 4 months waiting for him just to like thinking he was going to come around that's so awful because he
was also making her believe that he was going to come around exactly know that's
so sad to think that it that long went on yeah his claim was that she first that she killed herself but like after
beating herself up no one believed that according to the evening Courier they found the broken bloody tennis racket
buried on the shore dude there was a lot to be made about whether she was dead before she hit the water during the tra
um but the consensus did seem to be that she likely was he had beaten her to death and thrown her in the water he
also claimed at one point that she jumped in willingly can't swim remember well she might have jumped in to get
away from him exactly and he said he tried to help her and the boat tipped over but he arrived at the hotel he had
out at with all dry clothing huh so imagine that the trial was Bonkers everyone was there he's a big name I
mean very wealthy family like this is a well-known Bachelor the media went wild uh no one even knew he was dating this
woman because they had kept it so Under Wraps never mind that he was the father of her unborn child and now he was a
murderer of her and a child his own child on December 5th 1906 the jury deliberated for 5 hours and found him
guilty of first-degree murder good uh he was sentenced to die in the electric chair fantastic uh he spent a couple of
years at Auburn correction facility and apparently got some spiritual guidance along the way and sources say he
confessed to the murder to many of them yeah to clear his own conscience exactly
he was executed March 30th 1908 he did he exhausted all his appeals he tried to get out of it I think his mother even
wrote a a letter to the governor trying to get that's sad a stay but she couldn't um that's sad for his mom
because he put her in that position of course it is she didn't ask that she's a victim too uh I'm pretty sure his grade
he was in an unmar grave and I'm pretty sure it got paved over by a road so there's
that and no comment brother no comment on that according to atar around.com the murder of Grace Brown influenced the
1925 ader onac folk song The Ballad of Big Moose Lake oh uh cuz that is the lake that she was uh drowned in and
there's also a 1951 movie A Place in the Sun that is based on this story um uh and there's also a 1925 novel an
American Tragedy that's based on it and a 1926 play about it and a 2005 Opera by
the same name and that's just a few of things that have been influenced by this that's crazy now A Place in the Sun in
an American Tragedy apparently take Chester's side a lot and basically say what side is that U they basically show
Grace to be um what Robert Stack on Unsolved Mysteries said was they called her a woman of easy
virtue basically a ho so we're [ __ ] chaming in the 20th century and that she should be murdered while pregnant
because of that oh good fently so like [ __ ] those two things yeah [ __ ] them um
now that isn't the end of the story because people keep seeing Grace oh that breaks my heart that she's at the lake I
hate that she's stuck there yeah she's stuck at the lake uh people keep seeing a complete Apparition of a glowing woman
walking the shores of Moose Lake um or across the surface of the lake that's really cool yeah and also see her
walking down the halls of the Big Moose Inn where she stayed uh if she's not wandering the shore people will have
seen her struggling in the lake trying to get help like almost like a repeat of what's Happening sometimes she's seen at
the Cottages along the lake and like the lodge there and apparently she likes to
turn off the lights all the time she doesn't like lights on um and I wonder if that's because it's like the 19 19 6
you know6 of it all she's like I didn't live with electricity what is this kind of think it's too bright according to
weird New York sometimes people recall feeling intense sadness around the lake almost like an uncontrollable dread uh
they theorize that she and her child being killed trapped her there and she's somehow unable to continue to move on
makes so sad I know let's go I want to I hate that she's trapped there with all this like sadness around her yeah she
doesn't deserve that now this was Al also featured on an episode of the OG Unsolved Mysteries I heard you watching
it the other day that's right with King Robert Stack I heard that intro I heard that smooth but of
voice uh they talked about a group of people in this episode that worked at the covewood lodge in 1988 that's on
that's near Big Moose Lake um one of them Ronda said she stopped at the staff Lodge to turn out the lights and she was
with like a group of three other uh people who worked at the lodge and as soon as she went in she said she felt
like someone was there uh and she said she went up to like the top floor where like there's a balcony overlooking where
her friends were in the lake and she said uh she didn't see anything but she said she just like knew someone was
there like felt her just felt that and she said it was very strange very very unsettling and outside meanwhile her
friends saw a woman standing on the balcony glowing in white like if fully in like a 1906 Garb and she just was
standing there looking out onto the lake and then she and she just stood there and they all three of them said the same
thing that they saw the same thing and they said she stood there and then all of a sudden just dissipated and was gone
the tingli that are happening all over my B imagine seeing that I would the my Goosebumps have Goosebumps and they all
say that she's like has such a sad look on her face and she's just looking out over the lake cuz she just loved him and
he couldn't give a [ __ ] and then he's a piece of [ __ ] killed her in their unborn
child we got to get her out of there she deserves so much better we got to get her out of there cuz she's got to move
on to her next life which is going to be like a million times better with her B with her B with a better a man a better
husband exactly and the same episode tells the story of Linda Lee Mackin and her friend Bridget who vacationed at the
lake around the same time and they had flashlight issues because like I really don't think Grace likes this Electric
like they were going down to the lake and the flashlight kept dimming and then just shut off but the batteries were
like brand new scare the [ __ ] out and they said it kept happening and one night they went down to the lake
together just sitting there and it was like really dark out and they saw Mist coming close to them like over the top
of the lake and they were like wow that's so pretty like so spooky and then they said all of a sudden the Mist
formed into a woman and they said who just looked at them and they literally said it with such extreme sadness that's
all they could get from her and they said and actually Linda said she felt extreme overwhelming sadness herself
like she was like it was literally like I immediately felt just like hopelessness and sadness and she said it
was overwhelming and then the next day they were in the lodge and they were walking through like the lobby and
there's memorabilia about this like like old newspapers and [ __ ] and there's photos of Grace and Chester and they
said you could have knocked them over with a feather because they were like we saw
that picture of Grace and we were like that is the woman that appeared to us last night can you imagine having having
an experience like that jarring that would blow fuing mind like and she just appears to you like sad I'd be like what
can I do to help you I know like I I would not say that in that moment because I would probably [ __ ] my pants
I'm not pretending like I'd be like what can I do to help you be so confident my
[ __ ] would not be wrong like what can I do to help you pass through into help mode no I would not I'm not claiming
that uh but looking back on it you want to be like [ __ ] I want to stand in front
now if she appears you want to be like what can we do to help you Grace how can I get you not here I know cuz I don't
want you be on this Lake it's sad oh my God remember Ghost Whisperer yeah I never watched that oh it was Jennifer
Love huitt right yeah Jennifer Love huitt yeah Jay love Jay love she was so helpful she was such an empath good for
her man that show used to scare the [ __ ] out of me me as a kid though I'm sure
you probably shouldn't have been watching it yeah probably not but I always loved the end though because she
would help them like find the light and cross over yeah I like that I know I want to help Grace find whatever she to
find but that is the story of uh Grace Brown's tragic tragic murder and her now at Big Moose Lake and now her haunting a
Big Moose Lake mine's a little more Wy than that and a little more all over the place let's go all right we're heading
out to Oregon I said correctly I want to say Oregon let's go Oregon Trail we're going to Oregon uh I'm going to talk
about Crater Lake which is located inside of Crater Lake National Park if you can believe it I can't it is the
deepest lake in the United States that's really scary and I don't like that and one of the deepest actually in the world
no I actually hate that same it has an average depth of about 1,500 ft shut the [ __ ] up but that's not even as deep as
it goes that's the average the deepest parts are said to be close to 2,000 ft deep like just think of everything that
would be lurking underneath you as you treaded water I had to say that to you no you actually really shouldn't swim in
this Lake it's not very allowed but don't do it there's like certain parts where you can it's not very allow I was
waiting for that to hit you it's not very allowed it's not very allow it's not very allowed there's certain places
where you can but overall it's too cold and Too Deep like they don't recommend it it's way too deep don't do that yeah
yeah what what's that insane it's like [ __ ] cave diving don't do that well yeah don't do that do it no well the
formation of this lake is crazy it formed over 7,700 years ago badass which is crazy
when Mount Mazama the volcano erupted now the eruption was so large and so cray cray that it weakened the structure
of the volcano itself the volcano emptied its entire magma Reservoir and then it all just collapsed in on itself
and that's what formed where the lake is that's what happened to me when I had neuro
virus you got rid of your entire magma entire mag magma Reservoir and then I collapsed it on
myself iconic it's literally I've never I didn't know how I felt in that moment and that's exactly the description oh
wait just picture that like happening to a land the scariest thing I've ever heard it
literally created a 5 to six mile wide Caldera so like just like a yeah a crater essentially which over time got
filled with rain water and like melted snow and [ __ ] and that's Crater Lake the
fact that it is just an exploded volcano that collapsed on itself like a volcano
that emptied its entire magma Reservoir which weakened the stability of it and then it just like just
in on itself it did in fact and then it's like I I just like looking up at a volcano yeah must be unbelievable like
just the the size that give me the chilly Willies just the massive like the structure in front of you and then to
think of that the other way yeah and filled with water yeah like that is just like my
mind is like bending around that well like Tech I looked it up cuz I was like okay so like could it erupt still
technically it could still erupt oh [ __ ] but it wouldn't be like a typical volcano eruption obviously yeah it would
be a weird ass one yeah I don't think anybody really knows exactly what would happen oh my God Crater Lake is scary
guys it's so scary it's so big it's also surrounded by like all this like like Mountain Area it's beautiful but it's
it's got a Vibe it is it's gorgeous but it is knowing what that is is like yeah so
I'm not even going to be to hit like I'm hitting like the tip of the iceberg here
cuz so many different things have happened I we could honestly probably do a part two of Greater Lake cool let's do
it because it's got all kinds of crazy stuff going on there's some kind of water monster that people have reported
seeing fun like small little Tales but they're fun I love a Nessie situation there's paranormal parts of this y the
biggest thing that seems to be related to Crater Lake is disappearing planes ooh and like like
disappearing oh just like there and then not I don't love that seemingly inexplicable plane crashes have also
taken place all around this area and unfortunately there have been murders oh man now some of this haunted SL morbid
TM activity could have to do with the lakes's origin story so according to the clth tribe who lived on the land where
Crater Lake National Park now stands but like way before it became a national park yeah the god of the underworld who
I believe is Lao I looked it up some pronunciations say Yao but saw La more often okay so the god of the underworld
fell in love with the chief's daughter and when he couldn't take her back to the underworld as his bride he promised
he was going to do something real big to get back at this tribe it's giving Hades
and pan very much yes and that is when the volcano erupted uh massively causing the giant Caldera holy [ __ ] but luckily
the sky Spirit skell stepped in to protect the tribe from what was happening and came face to face with LA
and pretty heated battle the battle is said to have ended when skele killed Lao and threw him into the lake whoa
according to journalist Sarah Crocker who I got a lot of information from she wrote an article for grunge.com it's
called a look at Crater lak's morbid history oo fun uh but according to Sarah LA's body was eaten by monsters who were
living at the time oh it's kind of like the realm of monsters from moama Mo exactly but they left his head untouched
they said no I don't want that so it's just bobbing around the lake so people believe now especially the people that
belong to this tribe that La still haunts the area and the lake specifically that is so scary it's the
scariest and they said what a fascinating like origin story I love that origin story they say that they
don't think anybody should even look at the lake too long wow because it will they believe it will cause quote death
and Lasting sorrow holy [ __ ] [ __ ] so deep and creepy and spooky damn so let's flash forward
to the spring of 1944 for our first bizarre instance during World War I two I think it's groomman TBF torpedo
bombers were flying over the lake most likely running a drill of some kind there was a Navy a military base nearby
okay it was said to be a completely clear day as they were flying over the lake each pilot was keeping track of the
other the pilot who survived this drill said suddenly he looked over and just didn't see the plane that was
supposed to be flying with him it he like looked below him he didn't see it like falling out of the sky or anything
like that it was just gone just disappeared Into Thin Air what the [ __ ] now there's a lot of mystery surrounding
this particular case but it's a story connected to the case that's been told for decades some people even say they
saw a plane flying low that day and then disappear around the area of the lake really but not really there's like never
been any names associated with it it's never been like confirmed or denied to have happened it's just been like very
hush hush and a lot of people think it's so Hush Hush because the government didn't want to say much about it because
we were still actively involved in World War II I mean that does make sense and it wouldn't have been like a great look
for a bomber plane to just go missing disappear over a lake but it's entirely possible that this happened yeah there
is also a ton of other military planes that are said to have either crashed into or near Crater Lake throughout the
years or just completely vanished in in or around the lake but there's no actual
records to be found so could be Legends based on the lak's history but could be a hush hush thing you know now one plane
in February of 1975 that did in fact disappear near Crater Lake wasn't found for 7 years holy [ __ ] 7 years there were
three people on that plane um and on the return flight the pilot Dave nun and two
student Pilots Jim prior and Matt Perkins who were only 17 years old at the time that's heartbreaking so they
were on the return flight Gan nun had driven her husband Dave her daughter and her grandchild to the airport that night
and she said that she had a feeling for two weeks beforehand that something was going to happen in her family she just
had this weird feeling she couldn't shake but she didn't know obviously what it was going to be what are you supposed
to do she didn't know who it was going to happen to when it was going to happen yeah she just had a feeling but she
didn't think it was going to be her husband now this trip was supposed to to be simple they were going to fly to
Salem Oregon on Dave's private plane a blue cesna 182 and they were dropping off Gan and da and uh Dave's daughter
and their grandchild and then they were flying back to clamo Falls Oregon okay this flight literally should have taken
only 45 minutes oh my God like it's a super quick flight so after dropping everybody off at the airport Jean went
home and she said she felt a chill so she cozied up under an electric blanket and just fell asleep cuz again this
isn't supposed to her husband's not supposed to be gone long she's like all right I'm just going to take a little
nap go to sleep but she said she woke up that night around 9:30 and she felt the
sensation of a hand on her leg and she immediately knew that something had happened to Dave I just got so many
chills she ended up writing a book about it but she said the feeling just washed
over her and she immediately knew so she called the airport and she got as soon as she got on the phone she said the
plane must have gone down at 9:20 and Dave died at 9:30 I know it holy [ __ ] confirmed that they had lost track of
the plane on the radar at exactly 9:20 that night what the [ __ ] it was exactly
what she said now weeks and weeks went by search parties were trying to find this plane anywhere they could find the
wreckage weeks turned into months months turned into years and finally 7 years later in July of 1982 a hiker ended up
coming across the wreckage just outside of Crater Lake National par that must be
the most horrifying thing to come and contact with a plain crash a like you're and you're just out hiking like you're
supposed to have this great day with nature and you just find a plane crash like what the [ __ ] and three people
inside of it like he found three skeletons inside of it who were the two 17-year-old student pilots and Jean's
husband husband but she said she knew she knew all those years wow Jean crazy holy [ __ ] I want to read her book it's
yeah let me tell you what it's called I'm like damn Jean yeah her book is called we fly away oh Jean I know
there's a picture of her with like scrapbooks in one of these articles in the Heralds what is it the Herold news or
something um the Herold news yeah she um it's a picture of like Dave who was a Stunna a stun honey Stunna like that's
so sad and just like how cool to be a pilot and just be able to like fly your daughter in your grandchild home and he
was just trying to teach these two students about flying their about it so sad that makes me so sad but also like
so beautiful in a way that he was able to tell Jean that he had pass and she knew like she was able to like
understand in such a way that was like really comforting yeah probably exactly now another plane that crashed
and then disappeared unfortunately took much longer to find back in December of 1945 there were seven groomman Hellcat
fighter planes that were taking flight over crle uh Crater Lake National Park Park they were on their way to
Washington now it was really foggy this day there was a lot of fog especially lingering over the lake and while they
were going through it some of the pilots couldn't clearly see others so they made
it through the fog and they realized that there were not seven planes flying anymore one plane which was flown by
22-year-old IGN Frank Lup was just completely gone holy [ __ ] like lost track of it now before they went through
the fog a couple of the other Pilots did see him trying to change a gas tank like
while they were still flying but obviously something had happened and a couple of the other planes Pilots saw
lup's Planes start to descend slowly which I can't even imagine seeing that and that's your friend that like you're
out on this Mission with like you know something bad is happening and you can't stop it yeah so Flash Forward almost 25
years later in August of 1970 when a park ranger who was new knew working at Crater Lake National Park Jesus he was
hiking through the park and he just casually stumbled upon a human skull oh yep welcome to the job so obviously he
had to go report that to his head of Department y um he had an interesting way of doing so he told the story and
then just presented the head taking it out of his backpack and putting the skull onto his boss's desk I mean here
none of us know none of us know unless we've come across one definitely like don't move a skull that you find in the
woods yeah like we can say that with uh with confidence defin definitely leave that there but I also understand again
this is a 70 so he didn't have all that information and he was probably freaked out he probably freaked out an he
probably didn't think anyone was going to believe him and he probably didn't want to leave it there cuz an animal
could get it and move it and then he's just this crazy new guy yeah and it's not like he has a cell phone to pop a
picture really quick to be like here it is like let's go find it do exactly so instead he brought it with him and he
popped it on his Box's desk I guess that leaves no doubts it does but after the discovery investig investigators went
out to where the skull was found and they ended up finding the remains of the Hellcat plane holy [ __ ] and they found a
piece of equipment with a serial number on it so they were able to determine that it was lup's missing plane holy
[ __ ] and in a bit of happier happier ending lup's remains ended up being sent to his family so he could get laid to
rest sort of so now onto something very Sinister in 1952 55-year-old Char uh Charles Coan
and 56-year-old Albert Jones were found dead on Annie Creek in the National Park
the area where they were found they were found is only about 6 miles from the lake whoa both men worked for General
Motors and were in Oregon for work but while they were in the area they planed to go on a fishing trip with these two
other guys in the car business Jack vaugh and Frank eberlin so Jack Frank and Frank's 13-year-old son Allan showed
up to the park with plans to meet up with the guys but there were surprised when they only found their car keys
still in the ignition and the front doors both open it was like a little bit weird yeah but they were like maybe they
went to sightsee or something while they were waiting for us like strange but not
like yeah not super alarming so they waited a little bit to see if Albert and Charles would show back up but they gave
it 45 minutes and they still hadn't come back now it's alarming now it's alarming
so the two older men decided to drive down to a ranger station while Allan stayed behind in case the two men showed
up okay now 1 18-year-old Allen is just waiting in the back of his dad's car and
he sees a dark sedan pull into the lot and kind of like slowly pass by and take a he's looking like this driver takes a
look at the the car that's parked that's empty and then speeds off onto the highway huh so he's like okay like that
was weird yeah that was weird so shortly after that Park Rangers made it up that
way and started the search for these two men they enlisted Trail uh trail crew to
join the search effort as well the search went on for a day and a half until finally the two men were found and
there's a lot of strange details about how they were found they had both been shot in the back of the head at such
close range that there was gunpowder residue and burn marks around so it was execution style they both were shot by a
quote 7.6 uh I think it's 7.65 mm automatic pistol of foreign manufacturer okay which was weird and investig also
found two brass C uh cartridges on the ground they were each missing their shoes but it looked like the shoes were
taken after they were killed because their socks were clean huh Albert shoes were found not too far from the scene
but uh Charles shoes are still missing to this day this case is unsolved uh though somebody did try to
pawn a very similar pair of shoes after the bodies were found interesting they both had also been gagged with their own
neck ties and part of Charles's undershirt which is strange because they were both still wearing their dress
shirts so they had to have been like like part of the shirt had to have been torn off in like a struggle or he was
redressed at some point it's very strange yeah and it's like did they take the shoes off after they were killed or
did they take them off after they got them down on their knees right so they couldn't run who knows or they I don't
know possibly yeah maybe that's why their socks are clean yeah now even stranger both men's Dentures were found
in the pockets of their dress shirts huh like what their wallets were emptied they both were assumed to be
carrying around $300 and that was gone and lastly they both were wearing watches previously that were gone now
[ __ ] so it looked somewhat like a robbery but like like a very a bizarre one execution murder robbery right so
later an autopsy would show that Albert had a fractured skull and both men had been hit so hard in their groin areas
that they were bruised oh God yeah so they they put up a fight and they were they went through a lot before they died
it definitely seemed like there was more than one killer also to investigators they were both pretty big
guys too so it was unlikely to investigators that one person alone took them out mhm now like I said the the
case is technically unsolved but there were some good leads that came in after the murders I don't want to go into
every single one and I'm really giving you like a brief overview you want to cover it because I do want to cover this
a little taste there a little taste um but what I will tell you is that afterwards after like this got out to
the to the public a couple reported seeing two quote dirty unkempt men in an old car near the crime scene now
interestingly another man who was working a delivery route in the area had also seen what he described as two
scruffy looking men leading two nicely dressed men into the woods near Annie Creek on the day of the murders [ __ ] and
he said he noticed this and he also noticed one of the nicely uh Dressed guys make a symbol to the other guy like
a hand symbol like that like a gun Yeah so basically trying to tell the other guy like [ __ ] they have a gun or like
okay something like that like trying to like subtly warn him and he said he also
saw a black Pontiac Coupe parked on the shoulder around the corner from the scene which if you remember Alan saw a
so that's interesting now this guy this driver was driving again in the area the
next day and he kept running into those same scruffy men that he saw before and they were clearly making a point to
intimidate him he said they stared him down they ended up blocking him in at a gas station at one point the [ __ ]
driving that same black Pontiac that he had seen on the day of the murders so now he saw the car near the scene but
now he knows they're the ones driving it yeah and they just overall seem to be following him but obviously because of
this he was able to get a look at them one of the men who seemed to be the older one of the two he said had quite a
few distinguishable details that this guy remembered um and the the witness is his name is Lincoln so the man who had
all these like reme memorable characteristics was wearing a beaded belt that said Ralph he had a tattoo of
a woman in a bini and he was also missing one of his fingers oh so you'll remember that yeah you'll remember a
nine-fingered guy you sure will unfortunately the authorities didn't really take Lincoln's story too
seriously like he kept he kept telling them all this information but it seems like some of his uh reports weren't even
recorded at all like there are some that are on record and some like he was like
I also gave additional information and it's just nowhere yeah he said they that he thought the police thought he was a
smart alec cuz remember this is the 50s yeah so they did think he was a smart Al
they definitely did but weird almost 50 years after the murders and Lincoln's experience with two scruffy looking men
somebody new got eyes on the case a woman named Cheryl was taking a class at a local College when she heard the story
about the murders all those years ago and she just got deeply fascinated with this case and like started going down
all these rabbit holes getting every Last Detail together and she ended up writing a paper about the murders for
her class and it was like it was a really well done paper so she ended up giving a presentation later on the paper
at a local Museum in this area Cheryl yeah she's a queen so the presentation was attended by a ton of people who
signed in before joining the discussion and Cheryl's friend told her that the last man to walk into this whole
presentation was suspicious looking and while Cheryl was still presenting some of the paper this man went down and
started looking through the list of names of people who had signed in like like very into it like studying this
list [ __ ] that the other thing that they noticed about this man her friend he was
missing a finger shut up shut the [ __ ] up yep but that's all I'm going to give you cuz I want to
cover it in its entirety oh my God weird though what the [ __ ] now what I will tell you is it's technically unsolved
but there is a good set of suspects for this murder all right or these murders wow that's fascinating not a stange one
now on to the Paranormal apparently Park Rangers at the in the uh Crater Lake National Park will see campfires burning
in areas where they're restricted that's spooky now they'll go all the way out they and they'll say like we see
campfires we see people around the campfires and then they'll go out to confront the campers and be like you
can't have a fire here and they'll get all the way out to where they saw this all happening and there will be nobody
there and no campfires lit that must be so maddening and so [ __ ] creepy because you're like what was bidding me
out here what the [ __ ] was I seeing yeah exactly apparently this happens a lot
around wizard Island wizard Island you heard me Wizard Island was formed way back when the volcano erupted and is
named that because it apparently resembles a wizard's hat if like from an overhead shot [ __ ] yep there's also
another island in the lake called Phantom Island Phantom island phant is crazy this lake is the tits I love it
Phantom island is named that because depending on what angle you're looking at it from you'll see it and then it's
like this weird optical illusion where if you move slightly or like you see it at a different time of day you'll see
the the island and then you won't suddenly like it like literally disappears in your line of vision that's
really spooky and also wizard Island does look like a wizard hat it does correct and that's where a lot of the
Phantom fires are seen oh [ __ ] yeah now finally on to the water monster of it all yeah absolutely there have been at
least two sightings of the wster the wster the wster what the the I was going to say the
theer the water monster and people say it looks like a dragon kind of like Nessie the lock Nest monster we love
Nessie here in one instance there was a group of friends who saw the the Crater Lake dragons swim under their robot my
God what's happening I'm losing it Crater Lake is getting to you in one instance a group of friends saw the
Crater Lake dragons swim under their rowboat and they were so terrified that they hauled ass back to land and were
like flagging Rangers down being like we just saw a straight up creature in the lake we just saw a dragon like we just
saw like what is that and they're like there's fish in the lake I don't know imagine if there's a straight up dragon
in that I am fully of the mindset that there is at this point yeah fully of the mindset basically nobody believed them
they were like yeah are are you like high like are you good they're like no I'm high on Dragon sighting is what I'm
high on saw what we saw and yeah now we are high on dragon sightings but they're
not the only group of people to have seen this of course they're not cuz it's real a woman who was visiting the area
from Georgia also wanted to do a little robot day of her own yeah you couldn't [ __ ] pay me money but go right ahead
you could pay me money and I would do it I would do it probably without if you paying money I'll watch from the shore
yeah watch from Island yeah but she said that she saw the giant sea creature swimming away from her boat like she saw
it herself too what the [ __ ] and everybody describes it like a dragon likee creature that's the coolest [ __ ]
I've ever heard I'm obsessed with it you can also buy postcards of it if you want
to because now they lean in hell yeah if you got a Nessie you better go full Nessie yeah don't don't you dare try to
dispel the Nessie exactly now I have a few honorable mentions there wasn't like a ton of information on these things but
they happened worth mentioning yeah worth mentioning um many Bigfoot sightings oh we love that Rangers will
smell something real bad investigate it and then just get a barrage of pine cones thrown at them that's the funniest
[ __ ] I've ever heard I'm obsessed with it I love that big I almost said big face I love that I love that Bigfoot is
just like get the [ __ ] out of here was a bunch of don't look at me get out of here there was also a 1997 UFO sighting
oh hell yeah there was three lights flashed across the sky and then there was like a ton of weird flashes of
lights and then those three lights seemed to just disappear into the water oh yeah yeah all
UFOs underwater man I mean it's happening a lot lately that thing's 2,000 feet deep in some spots so many
places to go definitely UFOs down there oh the Places they'll go oh the Places they'll go yeah and finally my favorite
part of Crater Lake is the old man of the lake it's my favorite part too and I don't I don't know anything about it
he's not a man he's actually a giant 30 foot Mountain Hemlock that just floats around the lake upright
which like obviously doesn't make sense from a from a gravity standpoint from from a reality stand from any from this
life standpoint he just floats upright in the lake with about three feet it used to be four but you know weather and
global warming and all that now just three feet of him stick out of the Lake's surface oh there he is isn't he
so cute there he is he just floats around but what the [ __ ] but there's more to him than that apparently he
controls the weather yeah are you ready course he does he does because in 1988 there was a
group of researchers who were going to survey the bottom of a lake of of the lake with like a submersible which [ __ ]
that yeah no you couldn't ever have me do that but they were worried that the submersible might run into the old man
like in you know break or something yeah so they took him over to wizard island of course yeah of course and they tied
him to the shore and in no time the weather took 180° turn they were not even able to launch their submersible
because storm clouds rolled in and it got so bad that it started snowing like the weather was going insane because you
can't hold him down you can't hold him down don't you dare tether the old man of the goddamn Lake not my man's I too
would make the weather go [ __ ] Lawless if you would T me to the side of it Lawless that's the old man is Lawless
the old man of the lake is Lawless he really is he follows no no no rules and he doesn't have to well listen I'm not
asking him to I'm not either the second they untied him the weather went right back to beautiful yeah that's all he
wanted like almost instantly that's all he asked for he wants to be free yeah can't hold him down now there's a lot of
theories as to how old man just like floats upright because again it makes no sense personally I think it's because
he's the most magical thing that we've ever come across in life some people think his density has increased over
time because it's the he's been in the water for so long no but I don't think so yeah he's he's a Maverick he's he is
a Maverick but he's magic as well he is he's a magic Maverick he's a Maverick and that is the tip of the iceberg about
Crater Lake holy [ __ ] I might do a part two on Lake got to come because there's
some other disappearances that have taken place there we got a I'm sure I could probably find some more plane
crashes that have G oh yeah we got to touch upon Crater Lake again yeah and I'm very interested to hear more about
that double murder yes because that was shocking yeah me and Dave are going to start working on that one real soon me
and dve so keep a lookout for that and we hope you enjoyed my rant in the beginning about how being bullied I feel
a little safer in the office now yeah you know now that we've talked about Crater Lake we got it out yeah the old
man is there the old man is on my side he's on everyone's side I'll I'll use the old man to cuz we'll never hold him
down we'll never hold him down I just want to I want to be one with him I just want to like hold on to him and Float
around Bob around the lake actually I don't because it's too deep [ __ ] that and but I do want to see the dragon I
want to see the dragon yeah and I want to see grace yeah I want to help her I know I just want to send Grace home I
know we have so many places we have to go all all the places we'll go yeah yeah full circle well we hope you keep
listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you don't check out these leges manom do it yay water
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Spooky Lakes time, everyone! Alaina brings us to Big Moose lake in New York State and shares the tragic story of Grace Brown’s murder. Grace’s ghost has been seen many times at the lake since she was murdered in 1906 and at the nearby Covewood lodge. We then follow Ash across the country to Oregon, more specifically Crater Lake in Crater Lake National park. Ash shares about all the mysterious disappearing planes, a double murder from 1952 and of course she could never forget the Old Man of the Lake.

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Brief Summary

Elena and Ash discuss Grace Brown's murder, her haunting, and the mysteries of Crater Lake, including plane disappearances and eerie legends.

Key points

Spooky Episode Preview. Elena hints at the spooky and true crime content of the episode.
Book Recommendations. They share their latest reads and encourage listeners to explore new books.
Grace Brown's Tragic Story. The episode dives into the tragic murder of Grace Brown in 1906.
The Tragic Murder of Grace Brown. Grace Brown was brutally murdered by Chester, who then tried to hide his crime.
Chester's Arrest and Trial. Chester was arrested and charged with Grace's murder, despite his claims of innocence.
Haunting of Big Moose Lake. People report seeing Grace's apparition at the lake, still trapped in her tragic fate.

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