Off The Record /// Delphi Murders (2018) | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] so I got this email last week captain
and I think this was on must have been Friday I'm guessing maybe Thursday anyway this from a guy named Scott in
somewhere in Indiana so he and his friends saw that this guy was arrested in Indiana and they thought hey maybe
this is the captain the bridge guy from the deli double homicide yeah and we covered that case back in episode 110
111 this was like late May 2017 when we covered it it was shortly after the actual murder because the the poor girls
they were were killed either most likely on February 13th and then their bodies were found on the 14th of 2017 and Deli
Indiana and so the way that this works and what I was able to find on this guy online uh from a newspaper report and
I'll just kind of read bits and pieces of it and and you kind of just throw out your reaction or any thoughts that you
have as we go along but they're saying that this this guy's 30 5 years old he's from a place called Dy Indiana and that
he had the authorities alleged that he had attempted to purchase underage girls last year through social media some sort
of social media account okay okay so do we know if it was like was it a sting operation was it like to catch a
predator style where it's um no I think somebody just reported like saw this guy's activity and things that he was
doing on I think it was well it was Twitter so it's not like it's on Twitter okay it's not like real people aren't
seeing this you know what I mean like he's kind of openly doing this so somebody reports him to the
authorities well that's weird that he because the way Twitter works is you can actually send a tweet out to the public
or you could just send a direct message to somebody mhm and so you would you would assume that one would if they were
going to proposition to buy somebody that they would do so through the direct message well okay well I'll tell you
what he wrote on Twitter and we'll just kind of take it from there this guy's name is George Ambrose and I hope that
I'm saying that last the last name is am b r o z and he was charged just last Thursday so this would have been Friday
when I got this information he was charged last Thursday in Lake criminal court with child solicitation possession
of child pornography and obscene performance uh so his his tweet um this is one of them and this
was dated from July 24th 2017 his tweet read if I give you 300K cash will you sell me your
seven-year-old daughter contact me if so so do we know if this is a direct message or if it's just going out to the
world it it doesn't say but that the way that that's written it sounds to me like
it's too somebody specifically direct message yeah because he's referencing like your you know but then again he he
is saying contact contact me right like it's kind of open-ended I guess so maybe
I don't know I don't know if this is to everybody or to to somebody specific but
then there were other sexually explicit messages on his Twitter account regarding underage girls as well one
message stating quote I have sexually assaulted someone much younger than me uh and this guy so I don't know what
much younger than me means according to him but uh George is George Ambrose is 35 years old um from Dire Indiana right
so George has a lot of issues um yeah I think that's putting it extremely politely on July 10th he allegedly wrote
quote I work for the railroad butcher and welder therefore I have the right to be angry drunken drugged violent temper
and a rapist I have the right to rape just because I work for the railroad which I didn't know that that is a
privilege that is afforded to you through the I know a lot of fine people that work for the railroad and they do
not have a license to rape so does you know to for a lack of better term does it does it just seem like this guy's
crazy and like lost it and he's kind of just sending crazy messages out to everyone
well I normally I like to joke but I I I don't find anything about this you know wanting to buy children
and I don't find that funny at all you know and it's um and it's sick so I mean so when I
said he's sick I didn't mean like or disturbed I didn't mean like you know obviously he's a [ __ ] idiot but you
know what I mean it was like there's something you know there's something wrong with this guy if he's posting this
stuff and and if any of it's going out to the public that's even crazier you know I
mean like it's almost like you know if you're keeping your craziness a little bit behind the closed
doors then it's not as crazy as than po you know posting this stuff to the rest of the world I I work for the railroad
company so I have the right to rape and kill and you're like what the wow is this guy insane I mean I I would
wonder well he says he he has the right the right to rape he doesn't say anything about killing but and and I'm
not saying that I think you know I don't my suspicions weren't initially that this guy was trying to be funny and he's
just an idiot no no no my initial reaction was this guy is probably completely insane and yeah he might be
mentally ill and he's sending these tweets out to people that are of of an evil crazy nature yeah and that I
thought okay well do we have a situation here where we have a guy that's not actually guilty of anything other than
these post right so then I read on further well but hold on I mean that's enough you know trying to
solicit um a minor online or trying to buy a child off somebody hey that's enough for me you lock that son of a
[ __ ] up well of course but what I'm saying is this information was passed on to me as a hey this is a potential
suspect for the deli double homicide what I'm saying is my initial reaction is is this guy actually guilty of
anything other than these these posts right right okay so which within just these post of course you're going to
have um obscene performance you know he's being charged with child solicitation possession of child
pornography and obscene performance just with these tweets you know he's guilty of child solicitation and obscene
performance regardless of the obscene performance I'm guessing he's like showing his genitalia or or touching
himself I don't know I it could be but what I'm guessing somebody just by saying hey I am a rapist and I have the
right to rape is is enough of a obscene performance given given that it might be a platform
you know that he putting this out there to people that don't want to hear this obviously but the the thing here is
where we get the child pornography charge is police visit they went to his home on July 10th and they question him
about these obscene messages and he allegedly admitted that he wrote the messages but he asked why they were a
problem so Ambrose then was arrested and he was charged with that child solicitation police allege Ambrose
posted a photo July 2nd to Twitter of an underage girl engaging in sexual acts so
this is where we're going to see the um child pornography charge coming from right so apparently he's been jailed uh
the bond for him $70,000 he made he was scheduled to make an initial Court appearance on Friday I
did a little double checking it sounds like he's due back in court in September the other thing here
is it's it's a bit weird because you would expect whoever carried out this Deli double homicide to be a likely that
they have molested children or engaged in some of the activity here that we that they alleg George Ambrose has
engaged in right the other thing though it's weird cuz he where where our friends listening in Indiana that sent
us this information they say they think he looks like the bridge guy I actually the the one picture I've seen of him I
don't think that he looks like the bridge guy but I also this is kind of a weird statement I don't think that he
looks like the bridge guy but I also don't think that he does not look like the bridge guy do you know what I mean
by that no so it's Ambrose a m BR r o Z so the picture I see of him he has he has that little beard that's similar to
um the bridge guy and for those that aren't familiar with the case the bridge guy is the person that's suspected in
this killing because one of the victims the victims were Liberty Germain and uh I'm sorry Liberty German and Abby
Williams 13 and 14 years old one of the girls was extremely Brave and took took audio and a picture or maybe even video
of the guy that was approaching that approached them and right and the tough thing here is you know we don't know
what the police have and what they don't have but the way that the police have kind of presented this is the guy that
you see on the tracks following them is the guy that murdered them so one can assume that maybe they have more uh
maybe a parts of uh parts of the attack on video mhm but that's all we can that's just pure speculation well and we
call him Bridge guy because the photo that they release to the public shows this man on the bridge he's walking
across a bridge and it's strange it's so weird that this thing is not solved and
I know we talked about that quite a bit when we covered the case that here they have the the the guy's voice on tape
they have audio of the guy's voice and then they have a picture the guy now mind you the picture that we that have
been released to the public it's of some distance you know it's not like a close-up picture of this guy but it's of
some distance and it's weird that there has not been you know there's been a lot
of arrest because of this case but none of them for the actual murder well and look the I I think I stated this at our
live event um I was talking with an individual U that worked closely with the FBI or or
possibly worked for the FBI that said based off the leads that they got that there was over 200 arrests
made that basically a lead through Facebook or a lead from hey I actually know this kind of creepy guy that lives
in the area they found out that that creepy guy is a is a a sex offender but not registered the FBI went in swooped
up all those individuals then the question becomes does law enforcement have DNA or not right well and we went
through all those questions because we covered this case um two months after it took place and we went through I'm sorry
three months after it took place but we went through all the questions we had because rightfully so there's not been a
lot released to the public other than the picture of this man on the bridge and then the voice this man's voice of
him saying down the hill and so what was horrible about covering this case and I
it's something I would not realize until many you know till till a lot later till a year later was we did
at crime con at our last crime con con I went to one of the I went to the deli presentation I think they did more than
one but I went to one of them and on the stage you had the the lead sheriff or lead investigating officer there you had
um I believe the grandparents of one of the victims and then the mother of one of the
victims and you also had a um I don't know if it was a spokesperson for the sheriff's department or if it was a
somebody an agent from the FBI but it was somebody involved in in in this investigation one thing that I learned
from watching that presentation remember that guy that crazy guy that was arrested in in in Colorado so there's
this guy in Colorado Daniel Nations he somewhat looks like the bridge guy he looks a little younger than what
I anticipate this bridge guy actually is I don't know Daniel nation's actual age
but I'm going on I'm judging a book by its cover captain that I'm just going off of the the mug shot photo of him but
when he was arrested he's arrested in in Colorado off of a hiking trail because he he like accosted these people and
he's he's got he's y yielding a um uh Hatchet welding yeah yeah I don't know that I use the right word there but he's
carrying a hatchet with him so he's extremely threatening and and he's almost looking like he's going to murder
these people or at least attack them and he's arrested and then they find out hey
he's from Indiana right and he was he Homeless was he somebody that was kind of just just not working and living out
in the in the woods I think the biggest thing from him is when they at the time yeah I think he was just camping outside
and then he tried to attack these individuals but when they arrested him what they found out was he had a warrant
for his arrest uh or he was supposed to Face trial and just left Indiana left the state and I believe it was a couple
weeks after the murders and so if you look at the here's my issue with it you have a a drawing uh artistic rendering
of what we think the suspect looks like now again we have a picture from the FBI
we have a picture from the e or from did I law enforcement and the FBI right of bridg man and he's on a bridge this
walking path of the bridge and but we don't know what else they have so I don't know if they have a closer picture
that that they took that picture and then did an artist rendering and then I then if they do I'd say well this artist
rendering is the guy yeah but I don't know if they have that or not I have no clue what the FBI has so I don't know
how close this artist depiction of the suspect is so when you see this guy Daniel Nations he looks kind of like him
but this guy kind of looks like almost every body you compare them to like I've seen uh when this case was really hot
and people talked about the deli murders case a lot well was all over TV and the
reward for information was crazy high didn't get to be like $250,000 at one point maybe higher yeah
and the the other fact was we covered this case when there was little to no information and the main reason why we
covered that case was because there was a big effort in this area and in the you
know in the Ohio area and the Indiana area to bring as much attention to this case because we have uh you know we have
these pictures we have this footage this case is very solvable I probably got an
email every other day from somebody snooping around Facebook doing armchair detectives that would send me a picture
this guy lives somewhat in the area right and it kind of looks like the sketch okay well that that I don't know
what that means to me again cuz I don't know this artist rendering I I don't know how close it is to the suspect or
not I mean I it' be nice if if the FBI came out and said hey we have a a closer up image and from that image we drew the
sketch but I've probably seen five or six suspects that people have sent me side by side comparisons from the sketch
to the picture and I go yeah I can see that I can see this Daniel Nation guy looking like the sketch on some level
but does that mean he looks like the guy in the picture well just like George Ambrose you know you look at him now the
problem with his his picture um that's at least released to the public right now is it's cutting off his forehead
it's C cutting off his double chin um you know he is his eyes are so close together it looks like they're having a
arm wrestling match but he has this long longer hair where when you look at Daniel Nations after he's arrested he
has pretty short hair pretty short hair for somebody that doesn't even have a residency and definitely in the sketch
you can see that they put longer waver type hair not like not like not like shoulder length
hair but longer hair that matches more of this George Ambrose picture than it does the Daniel nation's picture
well the thing that I would that that I learned at from watching the deli presentation at crime con was law
enforcement and the families were saying hey that arrest of Daniel Nations is it
Nation or nations Nation I think okay that arrest of Daniel Nation they said was a huge setback for
their investigation because this was an area that was still ryant on the public for tips
and when the news of this guy being arrested broke and saying hey we're going to transport him back to Indiana
well the public all kind of just assumed that hey they've arrested the right guy
they got him it's solved they got him it's solved it's only a matter of time before he goes to court and they said
that was a huge setback for them now the thing that was extremely depressing and deflating
to me and and made me want to check myself it actually made me want to punch myself in the face but um made me want
to punch you in the face too well you you should punch yourself in the face because the thing was when I spoke with
uh one of the family members of the victim one of the victims um she told me she thanked us for getting the word out
for keeping the story alive and to to give it another platform for a place for it to be discussed and hopefully you
know she said confidently she she thinks they may have received some tips just because of us covering it but what what
really broke my heart was I said oh so you listen to it and and which made me feel bad because I knew I know what was
said during the course of those two episodes but those were things we had to discuss to discuss the case and a lot of
it was speculation but it's not anything anybody wants to hear about anybody they
know or loved and those were things that I had to say to tell the story and I hated myself when I was in front of her
talking to her and she said I listened to part of the first episode and I couldn't play the second episode and it
wasn't because she didn't listen to I was thankful at that moment I was like oh thank God she didn't listen to the
whole thing because it would have been a lot to put herself through our speculation of the
case and I asked her I said well what can we do going forward to help because this case is near and dear to us this is
this is something that's on our hearts Weighing on our hearts and Weighing on our minds it's something that the whole
Community needs to be solved and she simply said just keep doing what you're doing keep keep bringing up old cases
and and reference our case from time to time and mention it again and if if you have the opportunity can you let the
public know that that arrest and the assumptions made by the public regarding the arrest of Daniel Nation
was a setback in their mind Nations Nations sorry I finally looked it up uh that that was a setback in their
investigation now I didn't get any clear reasoning why because you you would assume that if if they keep saying that
that's a setback then he doesn't he doesn't appear to be their guy right so uh the the law enforcement officer that
was there I I kind of thought it was a bit of a vague answer because I I did asked
I I said well how were you able to clear him how do you know that was he could you can can this man prove that he was
not in the state of Indiana at the time had he left prior to these murders I think the answer he gave me and and I
apologize because I'm just going off of memory here but I think he said well we don't have anything tying him to the
murders we don't have him anything tying him to the area we cannot put Daniel Nation Daniel Nations sorry in that spot
on that day and well that's a big debate online do they have DNA or do they not yeah that's what that was a big debate
on our show too because one would say well we can't put him in the area Okay therefore there's no DNA right because
there's because then you just say well the DNA match or it didn't match but then on the other side we've had so many
hundreds and hundreds of thousands U of tips that have been brought to law enforcement over 200 arrests made 200
people arrested and DNA samples taken from what I heard and then these individuals were cleared so then that
makes me think that there was DNA right and that's the thing Captain when when I'm always the skeptic when the when the
officer told me well we can't find anything to tie him to the area we can't put him there on that day right I'm
always the skeptic and I go okay well I my brain's going can you put him elsewhere do you know that he was
elsewhere are you just saying that we can't put him there but we don't know for certain and I think I'm with you I
think I feel like if they were able to clear people that that rumor of DNA has to be true and I hope that it is because
obviously at this point that might be the that's going to be the easiest way to catch this guy and to make sure that
you have the right person but we still need and the Williams family and the German family they still need tips they
still need the Public's help so I'll quickly remind everybody there is a uh phone number you can call with an
anonymous tip I appreciate our good listeners in Indiana sending us this information so we could discuss it thank
you for the email thank you for the information but also if you feel strongly about things we are not the
people to call or email or contact First you know what I mean law enforcement are
the ones that can get things done right and the other problem too is with social
media with uh our schedules our work schedules with putting out the shows and covering new cases every week one of the
last things on our list to check is um our emails through through the website right the anonymous tip number is 844
459 5786 that's for anybody with any type of information at all and here's the thing
if you are sitting on something on some kind of information and you think you might have something that that would be
good for law enforcement you don't have to know everything about it sometimes it's just sending them in the right
direction or or pointing them in the right direction and if there's something that you are suspicious of or you think
could help break this case send it to them let them decide don't sit at home and wonder um should I who do I tell
what do I do with this or do I do nothing am I it you know because I know what some people think they think well
it's probably nothing it's most likely nothing and I this this will be embarrassing when it turns out to be
nothing no yeah but you'll never hear about it if it turns out to be nothing and and the other thing too like I said
when you have thousands of leads that were called in by armchair detectives you have over 200 arrests that were made
now from the the rumors I heard and from the sources I've talked to that those over 200 arrests had a lot to do with
unregistered sex offenders now if there's any individual that should be arrested and and getting off the streets
because they didn't do what they're supposed to do is to me unregistered sex sex offender and this is protecting
children and this is protecting communities right so you know but the other thing on the other side of the
spectrum is when there are arrests made and people of the media speculate that there was arrest made whatever the case
is Golden State killer case the the deli murders case a lot of times when people
are sending me this stuff one I'm following it anyways I do appreciate it being shared to me because that's how I
get the information but the other problem with it is jumping to conclusions that you know
they made arrest so therefore it's solved and I've always one of the things that I reply constantly is let's just
wait and see where it goes hope yes they got this guy arrested hopefully there's
a confession hope hopefully he just confesses and and we get done with it you know but let's see where it goes
because in this case there was arrest um I talked with hundreds of people people
about this arrest talked to hundreds of people for weeks on people telling me it's so great it's
solved and I kept on saying let's see this Daniel Nations and then it comes out of nowhere months and months later
oh he's not the guy and that took me like digging to find somebody to say to to kind of get a definitive and it
wasn't even that definitive it was just basically well we we don't think he's our guy well okay well that's months and
months and months of people that could have been talking and how many hundreds of thousands of people now walk around
going DUI murders I thought that was solved yeah and the thing is it's weird because I believe even to this day if
you just like do a quick search of Deli murders update or deli case update I think the ones that kind of rise to the
top there are the ones stating that Daniel Nations was arrested right and and like you said with the connection to
the Mur and like you said you have to do some digging to find out that it it's looking like he's not the guy and that's
why I think you know we're not trying to do the same thing here we're not trying
to make the same blunder that was happened with the that happened with the Daniel Nations arrest with this George
Ambrose Guy this is just some speculation from some of our good listeners out there that said hey this
guy he's up to no good uh he's not terribly far from where this crime would have been committed I think they told me
well if he dire is like a 2our drive maybe well and you know one of my buddies um Morgan that's been working on
this case a lot actually like in his spare time he still he's still working on it following leads one of the things
that he always kind of suspected was that the individual that was responsible for these murders worked for the
railroads now he said I work for the railroad Butcher and welder so is he is he connected to the rail road
um in some way uh and if he is I hope that they have DNA and they can lock this guy down and the thing is too
Captain it's um you know we don't know we're not saying this guy's connected it's it's an interesting possible lead
here and I think this was also with the arrest of this scumbag if he did do what
they're saying he did he does not need to be on the streets he's he has no business being in anyone's Community he
belongs Behind Bars and at the very least though this man's arrest gives us a good opportunity and
excuse to keep the deli case alive and to remind people that it's unsolved and that everybody they still need your
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Off The Record /// Delphi Murders (2018)

Nic and the Captain discuss: The Delphi Murders.

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Brief Summary

George Ambrose's arrest for child solicitation raises connections to the unsolved Deli double homicide case from 2017.

Key points

George Ambrose's Disturbing Tweets. George Ambrose was charged with child solicitation and posted shocking tweets about underage girls.
Setback in Deli Double Homicide Case. The arrest of Daniel Nations was seen as a setback for the ongoing investigation into the Deli double homicide.
The DNA Debate. A heated discussion about the existence of DNA evidence in a criminal case.
Public's Help Needed. The urgency for tips from the public to solve ongoing cases is highlighted.
The Importance of Tips. Listeners are urged to share any information they might have with law enforcement.
Arrests and Speculation. Over 200 arrests have been made, but speculation remains about their relevance.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I have the right to rape just because I work for the railroad.

George Ambrose's disturbing tweet about his perceived rights.

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